Christianfag here
What's the actual problem with being Christian/religious? (Excluding radicalists)
>inb4 I'm just wrong
>ind4 OP's a faggot
>>613442760
>asking heretics what the issue is
>>613442760
The only thing wrong with being Christian is that you haven't started the 11th Crusade yet
>>613443096
More like what they think is wrong
>>613442760
Because it's essentially pointless and ends up just telling people how to run their lives.
If you're anglican, or certain type of protestant you're usually fine as the societal group and pressure isn't as hardcore and you're usually able to keep yourself to yourself.
By and large every other religious group is fucking controlling and retarded.
the problem is that you're either
> lying to yourself,
> lying to us
> or authentically stupid.
and yes, those are the only plausible options.
Atheists are jealous that they aren't stupid enough to trick themselves into believing anything happens after death.
>>613443644
Some people might need that helping hand. I get it that some of the rules are a little outlandish, but would you rather think you're going to a better place or think you just die? Good point though
>Radicalist
Define why you are not a radicalist.
What do you think of abortion?
>>613443910
Not believing in god=/= not believing in any form of afterlife.
>>613444111
dubs trips, fucking nice
>>613443644
The idea behind Protestantism was that the Catholic Church was corrupt and becoming a modern Babylon. In reaction to this, Luther and other like minded Christians began to leave the institution and return to the Holy Scriptures which led to the belief that a person can communicate directly with God and that faith produces good works, not the vice versa.
>you're usually able to keep yourself to yourself.
Still utter heresy
>>613444070
Yeah but most of the time people in religious groups are there by birth not because they've voluntarily decided to become part of one. Not that no one does.
And considering the amount of shit that i've done that says in the bible i'll go to hell, I'd rather there not be anything after death than eternal suffering.
And thats not even including the equally possible chance that the Qur'an or the Torah, or any other fucking holy book are the correct one if I only choose to be religious to get into heaven, and in that case i'm still an apostate and i'll be going to hell regardless.
>>613444111
>define radicalists
Someone who uses a religion as a front to get what they want IE: the KKK or isis
>opinion on abortions
I don't really have one. It says in the bible that all people before a certain age (not sure what age) go to heaven when they die. But, you could just have the child then give it up for adoption. >>613444111
>>613445026
If that's the case, are child killers doing the children a favor by guaranteeing them a slot in heaven that they might not have got if allowed to live their lives?
>>613445026
>It says in the bible that all people before a certain age (not sure what age) go to heaven when they die.
[spoilers][citation needed][/spoilers]
>>613445262
True. But it means that someone might (MIGHT) not know what it's like to have a son/daughter. Really it depends for me. I'm mostly neutral
>>613445026
this->>613445405
Everyone is born into sin even children, but that might not be a problem since the jews dont belive in hell per-se.
>>613445874
>mostly neutral on child killing
Finally, a real moderate
>>613442760
Atheist here
There's nothing wrong with being Christian or religious as long as you don't force your beliefs on anyone else. I know that christians are supposed to proselytize but you should only do that to people who are willing to hear it. Standing on a street corner shouting shit at people is a step too far. So there's nothing wrong with it if you keep it to yourself.
I hate it because it means you go to hell if you don't believe. Doesn't matter how good of a person you are. This will include my family which are all agnostic. I'm not going to support god even if he is real.
>>613446323
>>613445405
Deuteronomy 1:39
"Your children that do not know good from bad - they will enter the land"
Besides, why would god condemn a child to hell? He's not cruel...
>>613446527
Im >>613446323
also Christfag. I agree with you- the point is to try to bring people to be "christ like" e.g. helpful, friendly, loving, ect. The only issues i see are with homosexuals as we are to help them, but at the same time cant let them continue being homosexual.
>>613447018
True but what if you were raised in say, a good Hindu family and devoted your entire life to helping people?? Hell. In my mind that's not loving. Also what if you have never heard of Christianity before?? Hell it is again.
>>613442760
What's the actual problem with believing Edward Cullen is real?
>>613447377
Technically if they've never heard of God they get a kind of free pass
>>613447564 [citation needed]
Because you don't worship the God-Emperor!
>>613446527
>don't force your beliefs on anyone else
but the problem is almost any religios people will do that, if not to random people then to their children.
>>613447078
No my point was that you need to let people be. If you want to influence people do it by just being "christlike" yourself. Leave homosexuals alone, unless they want your help. Period. You don't get to try to influence people other than through your own behavior. Get me?
>>613442760
Nothing wrong with it, as long as you aren't an extremist fuck. Same goes for extremist Atheists.
>>613447539
Because they haven't graduated preschool yet.
>>613447564
And what if you are raised in a different religion???
>>613447890
Children are different, there's nothing anyone can or should be able to do to stop people from raising their children in their beliefs.
Random people are the ones I'm talking about. And if you do that then you're what's wrong with being Christian/religious.
>>613442760
All you christian-fags have to live with yourselves. Don't expect rational people to care.
>>613447018
You're a fucking idiot, the Promised Land, which is what you're mistaking for Heaven, is Canaan.
Heaven isn't even a subject in the context of this verse.
That entire bit is about how the Israelites were disobedient and unfaithful to God, so they're not going to enter the Promised Land but their next generation of children will.
>Besides, why would god condemn a child to hell? He's not cruel...
He's God, He does what is Right, if you're even following along with the idea of Him
Jeffrey Dahmer (google him), became a christian. Gahndi has helped with word peace. If god is real gandi is in hell and Dahmer in heaven
>>613444070
"would you rather think" what does that have to do with anything.
I'd like to think it's okay for me to walk into the streeat, grab any woman and do whatever I want to her.
It's not though.
>>613447924
So leave them alone kinda like they are leaving us alone, by suing anyone who wont give them a private service or good?
>>613448312
Your god is a cunt, I hope he isn't real.
>>613448594
No how about you treat others as you want to be treated and serve them regardless of sexual orientation, belief, etc.
>>613448655
>Your god is a cunt, I hope he isn't real.
>God doesn't give me everything I ever could've wanted and is mean so I'm going to pretend that He doesn't exist
>>613442760
There's nothing wrong with believing in a given religion.
What's wrong is controlling public institutions to enforce your beliefs on non-believers.
>>613442760
Nothing at all /b/ro
>enjoying my walk
>>613448970
More like if he's real half my family and half of the worlds population are going to hell. No matter who they are
>>613447888
>>613448312
Crap mb. Sorry. I think that there's a part where a guy says it's okay his child died because he will see him again in heaven but I'm not 100% sure. BUT I THINK that because God is not a monster they would go to heaven.
>>613448970
Rekt
>>613447757
Romans 4:15
>>613442760
OP, I have a question for you that I have struggled with for a very long time, and, I'd like you, as a Christian, to answer it.
How do you reconcile Jesus' being fully human and fully divine?
Claims for his divinity:
1. Romans 10:9
2. Mark 8:27-30
3. John 8:58
4. John 20:28
5. Hebrews 1:8
Et cetera, und so weiter.
How, OP, do you reconcile the imperfection that is the human vessel completely containing the perfection, the aqua vitae that would be God? Nothing can be imperfect and perfect simultaneously, for, if God was imperfect (limited) he wouldn't be God.
ugh, as a jew I feel I shouldn't be helping you whiny idol-worshippers, but okay.
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard
→ has good arguments, and none of them is "herpaderp gays and fetuses"
>>613449179
Hey look it's someone who's not a twit!
>>613448970
I have never asked him for anything.
Its just his morals that are fucked
>>613447888
>You are only a commisar
>>613442760
Nothing, if you keep that shit to yourself. Most people are stupid in general though, and they're just looking for something specific to be stupid over. Religion is one of those standards around which stupidity rallies, and fairly (it certainly doesn't *encourage* open-mindedness) or unfairly takes the blame for that stupidity.
But yeah, you can argue it's just a chicken and egg problem. Are people stupid because of religion, or is religion stupid because of people, etc.
>>613448890
>Romans 4:15
Or I wont and instead go back to lynching, hanging, burning at the stake, stoning, drowning, beheading, and everything everyone did to gay people to get rid of them.
>>613449907
didnt mean to quote.
>>613442760
there is nothing good that comes out of religion, in reality.
Sure you can use it for positive effects, temporarily. Like some do in prision / AA meetings. But that is just a form of brainwashing to attempt to solve a problem by not getting to the root of the issue.
If you were raped when you were 4 years old, sure thinking there is a god that cares about you and blah blah blah will make you FEEL BETTER. But what does it ACTUALLY do for you? As opposed to seeking other more LOGICAL means like seeing a therapist. To make you understand certain things about yourself / others / the world (REAL soul-searching)
Religion to me is like teenagers with phones. It's readily avalible anywhere, it takes zero effort, you think it's solves almost all your problems.
When in reality it causes you more problems, you just don't see your problems because you have made yourself delusional.
>>613449907
For me a summary of the bible is don't be a dick and love god
>>613443767
There is nothing morally wrong with the 3rd option. He can't help being stupid, after all.
>>613449907
>For the law produces wrath; but where there is no law neither is there violation
What are you trying to say?
>>613442760
you arent living in the real world
>>613442760
Your god is a shitty planner man. He has all of eternity to work this shit out and before the first book is done he has to flood the world and start over. Then by the time the old testament is done things are so fucked up he has to send his son to die horribly to fix this shit. He is the fucking Microsoft of gods. If your god appeared before me now and proved he existed, I would go to hell for eternity before I would bow down to that dumbshit.
>>613450122
Thanks
>calling me stupid on a thread where I asked for other perspectives
>>613442760
Pressing your religious views and opinions onto others.
That's the only problem with ALL religions, not just your's.
>>613450542
If you don't know the law then you can't know you're sinning, which is the same as not having accountability n stuff.
>>613450797
Why'd you type it out then? It actually goes against the point you were making
>>613450634
You're in the wrong place if you can't handle being called stupid. The people in this thread have been REMARKABLY tolerant. You're lucky nobody's called you a faggot or nigger yet. Nigger.
>>613450617
I agree fully with you.
Sending every non believer to hell is the most evil thing I could imagine
>>613451102
Wrong guy, my answer is this one
>>613451089