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>>608426316
bloody capitalists with their top' ats

>>608426316
Because all the other ones have been even worse

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Because sociopathic Jews represent it.

>>608426316

This kind of question is not likely to lead to anything constructive unless you're careful. The world is full of simpletons who want to reduce the complex and variegated phenomena of the worlds social and political bodies to some kind of simple rule: "capitalism is bad" or "regulation is the problem" or "first world consumption is just too high."

We shouldn't be content with any of these- they're cheap and ideological.

If you really want to get anywhere you need to start picking examples of problems you see in the world and then studying them in detail. You need to learn how historical forces created the situation. You also need to study different theories that can provide frameworks for contextualizing those historical details into a coherent (or not- sometimes there just isn't one) pattern.

It's all messy and case by case. Capitalism (as Marx defined it) certainly creates a lot of serious problems, but you can't just reduce all the world's poverty and all the world's military conflicts to capitalism.

>>608426421

Get real. The difficult problems of the 21st century are not going to be answered in a fucking Ted Talk.

Profit is more important than people

because it develops human nature
>inb4 muh freedom

>>608426316
It's not. Idiot. Go back to school.

>>608426556

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>>608426827
>human nature
Human nature =/= Greed for money

Asshole

>>608426657

Academically bunk and reeks of anti-Semitism. Get off Youtube and 4chan and start going to the library you freak. This is garbage.

>>608426827

Human nature in the reigning free-market microeconomic theories is a ridiculous parody of human experience which should be immediately obvious to anybody.

The idea that we can rank the things we want in some sort of concrete way, or that a consumer's willingness to pay for an object represents its value (subject to blah blah constraints) is beyond stupid.

It's shocking that people buy into this shit. The microeconomic view of human nature literally reduces the human being to an algorithm that sorts preferences for goods and services with prices. It loses all of its meaning outside of the market place, and is completely oblivious to the social, moral and aesthetic dimensions of the human being.

>>608426556

This is also a stupid argument I'm sick of seeing. Why?

When applied to any historical ruling structure prior to capitalism, it refutes capitalism (ie it only argues for the status quo so long as the status quo can be shown to be better than previous systems. It makes no assertions about proposed systems that have not yet been implemented).

>>608427049
didn´t say human nature is greed, shortsighted moralfag..

>>608427632

Not him but it's not all that incorrect to equate the microeconomic vision of human nature with greed.

It's a more developed, subtle formulation of that idea but they're basically the same.

>>608426657
proof or it didnt happen

>>608426556
This isn't even a real answer.

>>608426657
If you can't join them.. Kill them

>>608426657
Still phaggot losers, Where is their plantations of 13yr sex slaves

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>>608426316
It deludes people into thinking that "with a little hard work" they can also be at the top of the pyramid. This naturally causes them to forget that the few stones at the top need all the ones beneath them to have something supporting them and to simply stand upon.
Those "stones" at the top will never allow the ones below to reach their lofty heights, or forget their place.
Theres simply not enough room and that suits their needs perfectly

>>608429862

I'll tell you one thing-- "with a little hard work" you'll realize how hysterical and stupid your picture is.

For god's sake you've got to break out of the "EVERYTHING IS HIERARCHY" thinking. Hierarchical structures exist, clearly, but they don't account for everything.

Capitalism = free markets.
Free markets = chance to get rich for everyone

Everyone wants to be rich, only nowadays it's almost impossible due to huge megacorporations that can outperform little companies.

>>608426316
Seriously though, at what point up the money ladder do you just stop getting better stuff? There has to be a point where you can afford the BEST food and the BEST drinks and the BEST houses and mansions and the BEST experiences in the world, there has to be a certain point in wealth where there is nothing better to buy. So why go any further than that point?

>>608429811
>Where is their plantations of 13yr sex slaves
well hidden..

Propose a better idea. You could be the next Marx. You really wanna ask /b/ for advice?

>>608430428
Can I join that sounds fun

There will be a "when the shit hits the fan" situation. Is just mathematics. The sun throw a solar storm some months ago that wpuld be killed all our electronic systems. Our "luck" was that the storm was launched to the other side. There will be one that will hit us and our beloved civilization will be kill. Imagine for a moment a world without electricity For months. The cars will be kill, no electric trains, no food transport... How do you think it will end? There is also others situations, like Yellowstone or another supervolcano that will kill our civ too.

Then whe this shit happens, after the chaos and massacres, there will survive only the strongest and smartests, in a society of hunter-gatherers adapted to this new world, the natural state of men.

>>608430902

Look it's not even like that. A rational person looks around, sees places where the status quo is failing, and tries to come up with solutions and ways to implement them.

Marx is useful for dismantling some ideas in capitalist apologetics (taxes as theft, for example, which becomes absurd after studying Marxian labor exploitation- a very solid, foundational idea with the kind of quantitative appeal that you'd think most modern economists would find attractive).

The old 20th century idea of proposing some utopian configuration and implementing it via revolution was a disaster, but that doesn't mean there aren't disasters of capitalism, or that all such disasters are beyond fixing without acquiescing to a utopian ideal.

>>608431356

Millenarianism is nothing but the capitulation of the intellect to outrageous complexity.

Shut up, man.

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>>608426316
Join the IMT

>>608431356
Jesus fucking nigger shitting christ, you are so fucking dumb, like retard killing a puppy on accident dumb.

>>608427572
>proposed systems that have not yet been implemented
Let me guess. You're going to say communism, right?

>>608430352
That's when you become a philanthropist and give your money back to society so you can experience the final ego reward in the ladder, social praise for being such a great caring guy.

I like to argue with myself on threads and pretend its other people

>>608427317
>>608431467
Oh look,a sane man on /b/

What an odd sight

>>608426316

Because it's basically neodarwinism applied to the real world. Life without ethics: the weak suffer, and the strong suffer as well. Humans as nonsocial animals.

Is it really?

>>608431827
Not that guy,but there are plenty of systems that never really got any implementations that weren't stamped out off the bat,or never got any chance at all.

For example,look at Anarchism and it's variants,they are good examples of such systems.

>>608431827

No. My own thinking is that a mostly anarchist social organization with organic communities that interact voluntarily and cooperatively provides a kind of utopian cardinal direction for us to steer our ship towards.

Obviously all these wars and famines, all this poverty and needless death for want of dollars is stupid and should be diminished.

We get our hands dirty and fix these things one at a time as they come. When bigger systemic causes are unearthed, we have to make bigger , more radical adjustments.

It's arduous and complicated. No simple term should suffice.

>>608430352
Dragon sickness

>>608432668
>No. My own thinking is that a mostly anarchist social organization

Mah Nigga

>>608431540
Civilization is just a brief moment in the history of humankind, and still it is killing our planet and our own species. Is not about being a catastrophist, is just looking globaly how works not only our civ but also nature and earth. Is impossible that this system will survive. I had hope in science but every year you can see how science doesnt exist to help humaniry but to help corporations and the actual capitalistic system. All our benefits from it is a second hand product derived for the profit of such corporations. This civilization cant survive to one of the situations I said (solar storm, super volcano eruption, asteroid impact), and maybe it even cant deal with a real pandemic. Humans were hunter-gatherers from millions of years, civilization is just a moment and is this short time we are fucking everything. Alea jacta est.

>>608431643
My english is shit bug at least I try to make an argument. Your hurr durr marxism capitalism is like a shit in middle of a road. Like a grain of sand in the hourglass of time.

>>608432903
>bug
Fuckin autocorrect, bah who cares

>>608432668
"Organic communities" are never going to happen. We are broken up as little isolated islands now. Its too far gone, we just wanna watch Netflix without any hassle.

>>608426657

Yeah. If you're a banking family for hundreds of years and you do it well, well, sooner or later everyone will owe you money, sociopath or not.

>>608427049

Human nature does include greed. Our natural social inclinations are compromised by living in societies of millions rather than hundreds.

>>608429811

...It would be funny if it couldn't so easily be real.

>>608430104

Humans are not reliable enough to allow such pyramids to exist.

>>608430305
>Free markets = chance to get rich for everyone

Ha ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

>Free banquet = chance to eat well for everybody... from mice to tyrannosaurs

>>608431206

The whole point of capitalism is "no".

>>608432903
Science is no more inherently evil than a hammer.
All it is is a tool.

It can be used to benift humanity,and to harm it.
The problem has never been with science,the problem has been with us.

Personally though,I believe that even with the shitstorm that may come,humanity and civilization will not go extinct.
Life will just become much shittier.

>>608431356

You'd think it would have happened by now.

>>608432704

This. Greed starts propelling itself. Even on a lower level, millionaire bankers that make hundreds of thousands a year, STILL want a bonus that is a quarter of that extra while lower-level employees are getting laid off. Not because they need that money but... they just want to.

>>608433149

Not the whole world is like Western Europe or the US.

>>608426534
am I the only person who caught that 1984 reference?

>>608433291

There will be islands of civilization that will survive, no matter what. We're spread too widely, and in too great numbers to all die or be thrown back to the middle ages. Besides... I doubt the only people who are seriously considering this possibility are a bunch of fags on 4chan.

>>608432211
>That's when you become a philanthropist and give your money back to society so you can experience the final ego reward in the ladder, social praise for being such a great caring guy.

It's not necessary in the slightest to give up most of your money.

Look at celebrities.
They're not particularly great people,and they're loved and idealized by everyone.
People know loads about them,think very highly of them,etc.

On the other hand,those that dedicate their lives to philanthropy and the common good never achieve such fame

>>608432903

Eh, I used to eat this kind of rhetoric up. The truth is that the critics are correct: there is a perfect lineage from Malthus to the modern environmental alarmists (ex: Ehrlich) who see the end of the world looming stealthily behind every just-extinct tree and every million more tons of carbon emissions.

I'm not saying global warming isn't real or that it isn't a serious threat to existing societies. I'm not saying that biodiversity doesn't matter or that we should do mountaintop mining.

I'm just saying that you need to do more than shout "we're all gonna die!!!" if you're serious about addressing these things.

Sure, civilization will end. But I see no reason to believe that end is inevitable, and I certainly don't see how crying about our "die being cast" over lattes is going to do anything about it.

>>608426316
because we are greedy

It's not you communist faggots.

>>608433616
>That's when you become a philanthropist and give your money back to society so you can experience the final ego reward in the ladder, social praise for being such a great caring guy.

I am confused. Do you consider that a bad thing?

Warren Buffett is doing it. Bill Gates is. And apparently they tried to get the other billionaires to join in.

Imagine the richest people in the world all suddenly deciding to work together for the greater good.

>>608434010
>It's not you communist faggots.

Can't tell if serious.

>>608434083
No,I consider it an excellent thing

I merely was saying that many people achieve that kind of admiration while doing fuck all for everyone.

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>>608426657
now i see it.

it needs to be done.

maybe they conquer the world to finally bring it to an end. if everyone can see capitalism is not the way we should head, they will understand why.

>>608426657
>this is what conspiracy theorists actually believe

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>>608426657
my theory is now:
they have been together with money since the beginning of time. if ANYONE know how bad money is and it can get... THEY do.

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>>608434434

What in the fuck are you on about? Are you Crazy?

>>608433632
Isn't yelling about ut and attemtping to draw attention to it somewhat of a measure against it?

Sure,it may not be a particularly effective countermeasure compared to things such as political activism,but isnt it still beneficial ,albeit to a lesser degree?

>>608433150
are you
>>608426789
?

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>>608434327
Nigga wat

>>608434516
hahahaha i guess.

i guess i needed to go crazy once to understand.

the world is crazy man, isnt it?

It's only college retards, lazy fucks, or people who don't own shit that want an alternative to capitalism, it's just that they want the hard working, potentially rich, to pool their assets together so that lazy pot smoking fucks can get their share of cake.

If you're at the end of the food chain, there's a reason for that and fuck you.

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>>608434993
>>If you're at the end of the food chain, there's a reason for that and fuck you.

this one is right.

but has absolutely NO connection to
>>If you're at the end of the food chain, there's a reason for that and fuck you.

i know your feelings had led your way until now, but dont forget they are just a help you can rely on if you need it.

this point we are arguing about is not about feels, or at least only about that you should want everyone to feel GOOD.

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>>608434993
fucked up my "ctrl+v"
second greentext should be
>>It's only college retards, lazy fucks, or people who don't own shit that want an alternative to capitalism, it's just that they want the hard working, potentially rich, to pool their assets together so that lazy pot smoking fucks can get their share of cake.

of course

>>608426316
every society did it.. capitalism is just the most successful form..

>>608426316
Why are you not on /pol/? Why do you ask leading questions? Why are you a faggot?

>>608434993
Pray tell,what is this reason?

Surely it does not have anything to do with their not being members of the lucky sperm club,does it?

>>608435430
you are speaking about the facts.
but got the wrong reason there mate

>>608434531

No it's really totally useless. It doesn't invigorate environmentalists: it makes the whole community depressed and sanctimonious.

Environmentalists need to get rid of the Millienarianism-- mostly because it's based on a general assumption that the (often remote) possibility of catastrophe that exists in various systems somehow combines into a guaranteed and very-near extinction of civilization.

Everyone's heard this crap already: "the end is near, but there's still time if we move fast... but nobody's moving so we're probably fucked."

That's not something that gets anybody out of bed in the morning.

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>>608435482
Pol is full of idiots,rational debate is a foreign concept to them.

You'd have to be a real nut to attempt to debate with them,since it just devolves into banter and shitslinging.

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>>608435560
I'd say you're underestmating the risks.

Granted,bleating on about it depresses a society.

But at times,isn't that sort of thing called for?
To attempt to make people understand the gravity of the situatinthay may be in/heading towards,even if it's depressing?

Perhaps you are right that it is not that effective a measure,but keeping one's trap shut about it seems to be no better at best.

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>>608426316

Capitalism is just freely being able to trade capital with out anyone getting in between. We dont have capitalism
We have
>pic related

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>>608426316
It's not. If you read classical Marx you would see that cspitalism is paving the way toward communism. Capitalism is the single greatest force of development mankind has ever had.

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>>608436662
True my friend

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>>608434362
>this is what is actually true

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>>608436840

It's Socialism not capitalism. The NWO has always been a socialist collapse. Capitalism requires real money in the very least.

>>608434434
its not even about that money is bad. money cant be bad. money is a thing. an image for what we use it for.

the mankind is, in terms of "good" and "bad", not able to do it well. to live with the theory of money, to handle it.

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>>608436935
THIS is the reason WHY

>>608435492

Maybe start by moving out of your parents basement.

>>608436984
You're funny anon

>>608436879
>>608436935

finally

>>608434316

Oh, of course. I don't doubt it.

>>608434696

Nope.

>>608434993

You are a retard. Yes, such freeloaders exist. That doesn't mean the rich fucks are all hard-working and honest, and you have to be incredibly stupid to believe that for even a second.

>>608435795

Boing. You don't need to meet in smoky rooms, or darkened halls. All you need is to know all the other rich fucks THINK the same way you do: "More for me, none for you".

>>608435855

I assume he was talking about communism.

>>608435895

Kind of hypocritical from the guy who never freed the mother of his children.

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>>608437022
Those translations suck.

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>>608437075
all those words are accurate but only describing something - that is a starting point

>>608437109
>tips fedora
M'revolution

>>608437264

a-a-are you spiderman?

What to be in illuminati wot do
what the $ pussy and power

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>>608437180
check dictionary

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>>608437341
nah am no spodermoon

>>608436372

OOC.

>>608436628

I thought it was Goebbels who said that.

>>608436662

One naturally follows from the other. It all comes down to the bigger fish eating the smaller fish.

>>608437379
Ignorare literally means just "to ignore". I actually speak (inb4 dead language) Latin. You're a fucking retard.

>>608436984
>Socialism not capitalism

>People malnourished,in bad straits,being fucked over by the rich/powerful,and are for the most part,wage slaves,leading lives with little to no hope of significant betterment,and little leisure time.

Nigga how is that socialism.
Granted,it's not proper capitalism either,but that is in no way socialism.
Their is no such dichotomy between socialism and capitalism like that.
Their exist a multitude of other systems as well.
For example,the modern day western one is probably best expressed as a plutocracy

>>608437513
>tfw words don't mean the same thing as their root word or we'd just use the root word
>tfw deeeeerrrrrrppappapp

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>>608437542
Goebbels said many things but not those words.

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>>608427317
>Academically bunk
>reeks of anti-Semitism
>start going to the library
This is just like: youre dumb as fuck and youre a antisemite despite you arose from hell. Go to the library and get smart and learn to love jews aswell. Yeah learning things that influence you subversive.. sure sure
And this aint sociopathic...?

You cant blame facts, there was no anti-semite intention in this post delivering the facts, except of the word "jews".

This is so damn hillarious.

GTFO JIDF

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>>608437602
>ignorare means to ignore
>to ignore means ignorare
fuck logic

"What equality means? It means that everyone are equal"

>>608437379

It's worse than that. That pyramid suggests the AVAILABLE knowledge, but the assholes at the bottom aren't geometrically smarter than the schmoes at the top.

George Carlin: "What if there really IS a shadow government... and THEY don't know what the fuck they are doing, either?!"

Lack of transparency does not promote working together well. It's bad enough in a government that is more or less a public affair: imagine the kind of confused and panicked vipers' nest a really secret conspiracy would be.

I think we sometimes imagine there are a few all-powerful, all-knowing masterminds behind everything, but I don't think so. I think it's worse. I think the corporations have become emergent life forms themselves.

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>>608437775
This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about and is just using a crappy copy of Google translate to look for this stuff in everything and stretch it as far as possible.

>>608437602
Why on earth do you speak latin?

>>608437513

This is such a tiresome portrait of religion. Ironically enough it probably goes back to Marx and his influences.

We have plenty of reasons to know that religion can be a liberating force. It can liberate the individual in too many ways to list, and there's ample testimony to that.

It can also liberate society if you investigate movements like Liberation theology, the Catholic Worker, Buddhist activism in Vietnam, Tolstoy's Christian anarchism, a just Islamic polity, the list goes on.

If you're not convinced it can be realized, have a look at Reinhold Niebuhr. He'll tell you about religion functions as a guide but not a destination for social justice.

>>608437952
Are you retarded? Ignorare is a Latin word that translates to "to ignore"

>>608437952
wittgenstein: all sentences in logic are tautologies (T 6.1)

>>608427317
You're too smart for this place, leave, never turn back. You'll be better off.

>>608437513

Or 'bind together', or 'repair broken connection'.

>>608437782

I almost tl;dr'd.

>>608437942

Yeah... well, if there really IS a world-wide Jewish conspiracy, I can't blame them. Because the Holocaust DID happen, and it was only the last, most gruesome chapter in a history of hating on the Jews.

>>608438164
It's a good way to make learning other languages easier. It's not that difficult to learn and a lot of languages are derived from it.

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>>608438068
This grou is using Knowledge about human psyche against us and at the same time they are telling us that "there is nothing interesting in this, just watch some TV and eat shit more". Also "You are too stupid to comprehend what we are doing so just be "free" and we will do everything that is neede to get "us" on top" but those are the one who are responsible for dumming down society and they are acting for THEIR goals, not people. People for them are "Human Resources".

>>608437942

I've read two of Norman Finkelstein's books. How many have you read? I see you like comic-book renditions. Do you find them easier to read?

Finkelstein, over and over again, makes clear that the global Jewish financial conspiracy is ridiculous and so too the thesis that Jewish interests dictate American foreign policy.

Back to /pol/ you illiterate internet-dweller.

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>>608438366
pic related

>>608438233
chec meaning and only few words have "only one translation". see the full descriptions not some shit narrowed dictionary.

>>608438164
it´s an old concept. it´s called e-d-u-c-a-t-i-o-n... >inb4 useless.. you only can benefit from it in the long term..

>>608428997
then join them, jews are accepting converts right now, sure they don't proselytize like christians or muslims, but that does not mean they are exclusive

>>608438655

That pic isn't really related to what I was saying. Care to explain? With words maybe?

>>608438655
My point is that you or whoever made that picture overcomplicated the translations to make it sound more profound, but it really just sounds retarded.

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>>608438481
Thinking "that joos" or "that vatican" or "that jesuits/corporations/banking/etc" is just one of many traps for the mind.

>>608438108

Wow. Jews: the Decepticons of the human race.
GTFO.

>>608438164

Quidquid latine dictum, altum videtur.

>>608438203

That must be why predominantly religious states are the ones with most individual liberties.

fuck this shit, fuck 'normal' life im unemployed and life at my parents house im gonna study this matter until i know the truth even if it is the death of me

>>608438481
Not the guy you're responding to,but doesn't israel have a fair deal of influence over the U.S. foreign policy?
Mind you, I'm not suggesting they wholly control the U.S. at all.

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>>608438760
All religions are based on the same Truth but in current state they are used as part of the System of control.

>>608438814
Or maby You are thinking in some oversimplificated schemes so that you could not see what is really telling you?

>>608438882

You need to be careful. There's a lot of garbage on the internet. Don't be one of these "self-educated" morons with ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Learning takes time and you have to do it carefully. Don't jump to conclusions and recognize that you'll never master human knowledge. If you're doing it right (learning, that is), you'll only feel more and more ignorant as you go on.

>>608438068
>Hivemind
>Kafka

>>608439027
Or maybe you're a retard who thinks giving complicated translations to Latin words for no reason whatsoever makes his idiocy sound academic and profound.

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>>608438438

Most people really are only 'human resources'.

It's awful, but what do you want? What would you do if you had to choose between the survival of all humanity at the cost of the survival of all human civilization and possibly species in a few years, or the destruction of nine tenths of humanity for the sake of the survival and future of the human species?

Humans, as individuals, can be wise, but as groups we tend to be stupid and dangerous.

>>608438675

Love of knowledge for knowledge's sake is rare.

>>608438836

Of course. Outgroup psychology, herd mentality, group "think", and that perennial favorite: the scapegoat! It's so much easier once you identify the root of all your problems, and against all odds, it's not you, yourself!

>>608438882
That's the spirit.
Just don't become a /pol/ack.

There exists no easy answer for this question,so don't bother searching for an easy solution.

Instead,try some other starting points,like chomsky,to get an idea of world politics,or some philosophy so you can see it for yourself.

There exist many roads,merely no easy ones.

>>608439015

Israel can only add to existing pressures. The US goes to war to satisfy the short and long term interests of corporations. If Israel happens to be in line with that, then they'll add fuel to the fire.

You can really see this when you look at how US-Israel interests sometimes overlap on a single issue for extremely different reasons.

>>608439322
See, that's a good translation. Simple and not stretched to fit your agenda. It's not that difficult.

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>>608439248
OK explain me then what "to ignore" means.

>>608439161
i can see the difference between shit/propaganda and the truth (what can be seen as true atleast). i just use common sense and logical thinking, using multiple perspectives etc. i have my way for finding out things. and there were many before me so i can build upon what they've already build

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>>608439027

>All religions are based on the same Truth but in current state they are used as part of the System of control.

I find this kind of rhetoric off-putting. Even if it has some truth it rings with the schizophrenic fear that everything is controlled by an omnipotent and evil force that can be overcome by knowing. Quit capitalizing truth.

>>608439322

These pictures are fucking ridiculous, stop. If these resonated with you, you're in big trouble.

>>608438882

You should get out, too. This sort of thing can make you really paranoid.

>>608439015

The USA needs Israel to keep the rest of the Middle East worried. Like a really nasty dog you keep on a leash. The dog doesn't really like you, but you feed it, and if the people want it put down, you say 'No way'. The people are a lot nicer to you because the dog scares them.

Israel needs the USA, Saudi-Arabia needs the USA to keep Israel on its leash, and the USA needs cheap oil.

Obama seems to want to do things differently.

You'd think he'd consider being dark-skinned enough reason for the old men in suits to hate him.

>>608439557
sqrt(quadrvivium^2+trivium^2)=senses

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>>608431827
Let me guess, you can't take the nice parts of both worlds right?
Like no country has ever tried free trade for products which you can shop around for but state-controll the things which you can't.
Like I can shop around for cheap and clean bananas but I can only determine whether a surgeon was any good when it's too late.

>>608439573

So far as I know, the only way to get to the bottom of anything is by working through stacks and stacks of books.

There's no shortcuts.

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>>608439693
im already paranoid man. over analyzation is what you must avoid

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>>608439341
Yes but if you get into casual factors and understan WHY most of us are so stupid then we as species can change and live with harmony.

But understanding those things IS understanding that I AM REASON WHY all this shit is happening. And only if every one or at least most of us will look into self and start changing self we can make it as species. If not - we are doomed.

>>608439783
yes i know, thats why i said earlier that i have all the time in the world to spend on it.

>>608433537
Nah, I got it too.

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>>608439677
You are too stupid to understand. Or to lazy.

>>608439027
>All religions are based on the same Truth

...Let's not go there.

>>608439205

I haven't read that much Kafka. But what is the basic motivation of each member of a corporation or organization? Protecting the organization, because they rely on its strength.
Just like cells in an organism.

But the organism is primitive: it only cares about survival. Its brain cells are barely smarter than the rest.

>>608439322

Was that meant ironically?

Ironically: from the latin word "Iron" which means "The act or intention of being clever".*

* Not really. It actually refers to a clown in a play.

Guys, you're all thinking about this wrong. The problem is not capitalism, it is the patriarchy. We need a women's revolution. This would fix all problems in the world. We need to stop man spreading to end poverty!

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>>608440074
Classic method of learning.

Ridiculed in current time = indoctrinated, NOT educated society.

>>608439866

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Nh84lfvW0

>>608440051

...Isn't a 'trivium' just where three roads come together and where people would chat about stuff, hence 'trivia'?

Also, that looks like a Sephirotic tree to me, not a trivium.

>>608440222
Or, y'know, you could be a retard.

>>608440194
do NOT make jokes about it!

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>>608440357
Trivium and Qabalah are connected.

>>608440222

...This is getting a little TOO esoteric for me.

If you bring up 'time cube'...

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>>608440386
>Or, y'know, you could be a retard.
part of the riddiculing and mockery

Take care and be well.

>>608440511

That's more instinct than 'cult technique'. We do it naturally.

This is all starting to lean towards the Hypercrisis, Anti-Life and the Gentry..

...Bad ideas that take on a life of their own. Virulent memes.

>>608426316
>Why is capitalism ruining the world?

...because it is not sustainable. As has been demonstrated, it can last for a "long" time (depending on how you define "long") but it cannot perpetuate because it demands resources that are not infinite. Since we need resources to live and capitalism thrives from consumerism, we are all encouraged to consume faster than we can restore (if we can restore at all).

There will come a point where capitalism simply fails to work but from what I see of human nature, those at the top of the pyramid in your model will maintain their control over the masses at the bottom because the masses are trained through lies of individualism and so live scared, unaware of the power they can wield when they join forces. Here in the west, I am left baffled as to why we have not begun a revolution against the ruling classes yet since so many of us are struggling in the current economic climate. But what it comes down to is we allow ourselves to be fed bullshit by the media to keep us frightened, we buy into individualism and largely are forgetting how real community works, trained as we are by social media, consumerism and paradigms enforced through politics, media, social care etc.

While no one person will admit to being part of "the masses" as described above, it is the very fact that as individuals we know our own traits, but as part of the mob, that it precisely who we all are.

So, that's why.
You're welcome.

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>>608440528
"time cube" and all that "cube" shit is just widely misunderstood

>>608440222
is this real or is this just crap? morgan freeman doest mention any shit like this in through the wormhole

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>>608440698
we isolate naturally?

>>608440791
That's the military and police you moron, what do you expect?

>>608440912
marching is only to cover large distances by foot with heavy equipment

>>608432617
>implemented
>anarchy

So the No one would bring about the transition into the Nothing? You're right I don't see why No one hasn't tried that. Oh wait...

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>>608440805
It is real. All of those symbols, systems, teachings are the same thing - science of human psyche. But told and incrypted into allegories, metaphors and symbols.

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>>608440937
I expect that those who hold responsibility are CAPABLE of understanding the weight of it, NOT beeing a bunch of morons just "following orders".

>>608426316
OP, you're either a troll or your family has a history of mental problems.

>>608441045
You clearly don't understand anarchism. I disagree with it, but what you're describing is not what it is.

>>608440912

As groups. Or tribes. Chimpanzees do it, and they even hunt and kill members of other groups. Our direct ancestors must have been pretty nasty critters.

>>608441018

And why do we march? To attack other groups. Soldiers dehumanize themselves into parts of a stronger (read: deadlier) whole. Like cells forming a fist, or poison gland, if you will.

>>608441067
how can you know this is true, it seems so far fetched

>>608441067

I just don't think something as complex as the human psyche can be laid down in simple symbols.

>>608441203

Explain why he is wrong.

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>>608441249
But we are MORE than chipanzees so we should grow up into something more that tribal thinking.

>>608441067
>incrypted
kek

>>608441197
this is just to harden the mind and body to whiltstand discomfort
>>608441249
marching can be done for migration. geurilla soldiers participate in warfare and do not march

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>>608441221
"a political theory that holds all government authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocates a society based on voluntary cooperation of individuals and groups"

So you expect all the people in any particular country (take your pick), including the government, to come together and agree on a state of lawlessness.

>>608441379
these simple people arent ready for this message yet. wait until july 2018, they will see.

>>608441379

Are we really so much more? Most of us nearly-mindlessly utilize the fruits of the genius of a few. I strongly suspect our mental capacities really have become blunted because of the way we live.

....Perhaps we really are evolving towards becoming group organisms where the individual 'cells' are almost interchangable. Uniformity. Group think.

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>>608441262
Approach without prejudges. Knowing it, applying into life and by this veryfying it.

Only true scientific method. True scientist do not disregard even most ridicoulus hypothesis - he/she veryfie it and observe the effects. Believing is the frst step to be manipulated.

Learnd everything. Veryfie everything. Share what You veryfied. Dont spread unveryfied informations.

>>608441509
No, I don't think that's what the guy you were replying to before was saying. It would take a violent revolution to have anarchism.

>>608441197
the whole concept of military is that there is a bunch of morons just following orders...

>>608441379
uh yeah this stuff of god and crap like that is not acceptable, its either science or your propagating bullshit

>>608441379

That image is outrageous.

>>608441453

True. Still, it presupposes suppression of the individual.

>>608441509

I think it's more of a quiet agreement...

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>>608441378
Nature is simple but not easy.

Language is also a system of symbols but you can learn it and use it to describe a lot more complicated things.

>>608441607
As long as there have been communities, there have been drones. It isn't new. What is new is huge advances in information distribution and representation media - that's new

>>608441045
Anarchism is not chaos,or nothingness.
Read up on it.

If you are unwilling to improve your knowledge on the subject,then think of it as a stateless,non hierarchical self governed democratic society

That is most certainly not "nothing".

>>608441795
im gonna go to brain scientists with those images man

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>>608441662

Human brain/ mammal brain/ reptile brain

Seriously? No, really?

Abscheulich.

>>608441703
>>608441780

So, which is it, quiet or violent? I am so psyched to hear how anarchism could ever be a thing save post-apocalyptic level population decimation

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>>608441605
We dont have time. They have to have at least chance to see it. It is my responsibility. Their is in what they are going to do with this.

>>608441607
Yes we are. We have so much potential but we are attacked on so many level not to be aware of it.

>>608441802

Exactly. In a best-case scenario, the whole will become a brain...

...Actually I guess that is possible. Hmmm.

>>608441919

They would get angry or laugh. They are outrageous.

>>608441662
As a neuroscientist this image makes me fucking cringe.

>>608442011

By 'quiet' I meant there wouldn't be an actual agreement, everybody would just stop cooperating. It happens.

>>608442050

But attacked by whom? Are the attackers realizing THEIR potential, at least?

>>608441809
Okay, self governed democracy. What if the self governed democracy got so large that all members could not have fair say in whatever democratic meeting they held. Do you think maybe it would thereby be more practical to have, oh I don't know, a system of representatives for regions to participate in these democratic meetings? Hypothetically. Shit, I think we're on to something...

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>>608441741
And that is the problem of our current condition - chain of obedience.

>>608441919
Go. Also check Triune brain.
>>608441956
above

>>608442100
you are telling me that people who persue truth and test it and debate it are going to laugh this off? if they do so then your image isnt very true

>>608441509
Well,just like in a democratic society,where everyone comes together and makes decisions about who to lead them,why can they not make decisions about having no-one lead them?

Moreover,it is not lawlessness.
People do not need leaders to come to decisions and enact laws.
Again,just look at a democratic election.
They come together there to decide things.

Why can they not decide other things,besides picking a bunch of people to make decisions for them?

>>608442230
tell me more, why does it make you cringe?