>>599848499
>It's not healthy to have a disconnect between your body and your identity.
That's why sex change ops exist, dummy.

>>599848884
The disconnect is still there. You just cut off some pieces of you to make yourself fit into the image of how you who you wish you were.

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>>599848884
you know they are not changing their sex right? sex in something genetic, not anatomic, for example, if a man loses his penis in a car accident o something he is not automatically a women, is he? no, but using your logic then if i manage to put miself a tail, and get to grow hair all over my body and start meawing i'll turn myself into a cat?... no

>>599849738
You state correctly that post-ops are never actual women, but they get an anatomy that more closely matches their psyche. That is a good thing.

>>599850013
Couldn't you argue though that their mind could have been worth changing instead of their body?

>>599850449
You could, but there is no universally accepted normalcy in this regard.

tumblr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnk9epcniMo

>>599850675
Sure, but I think it's worth looking deeper than that.
The wave of "acceptance" lately is ridiculous. Not so much the trans issue specifically but shit like fat acceptance gives me the impression that there is a wave of people out there ready to accept anything people do as healthy just for the sake of promoting acceptance. And I think this is deranged kek. It shouldn't be an issue to ask the question "are non cis-gendered people actually just ill?

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nothing wrong here

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>>599850013
>That is a good thing
Subjective and from an objective POV, it's actually not. A risky surgery that more than likely will leave the person more detached from both reality and society, if not physically broken. Enabling this behavior is crippling to our society's mental stability as a whole and encourages greater depths into deviance, suicidal actions or even homicidal ones. It's wrong by all accounts.

Sure, trannys are cool with me and all that crap. But they get way too much exposure lately; of course, bisexuality is still the forgotten letter in LGBT.

>>599851735
Dat ending kek

>>599850013
not necesarly, for example, when a man tries to become muscular and uses steroids (knowing the consecuenses but accepting it) and then he became a really bug guy, it is a sighn of insecurity, but cuting your dick of and putting yourself fake boobs is not? you can not say it is some thing good or something bad, you can only give an opinion in this kind of cases, and saying that is a ba d thing is as a strong position that saying is a good thing

0/10 for making me respond.

I don't get homosexuality or transgender people and think what they do is a little weird. But as long as they keep that shit to themselves, I have no problems with them or what they do

>>599850675
thoughts that compels you to mutilate your self are certainly not normal or something that should be accepted.

>>599852501
You don't have a problem with society allowing the mutilation of the genitals of people suffering from mental illness?

>>599852624
I agree with not normal. But I think it should be accepted if you want to mutilate yourself or kill yourself or whatever.

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I have been "lurking" (as you nerds put it) on this terrible website for months compiling data for a book I'm publishing about the dangerous patriarchal underbelly of the internet; What I have discovered during my time here fills me with nausea and rage.

The media-at-large have been monitoring this cesspool for some time now. From child pornography to submitting evidence of murder to the illegal proliferation of nude photographs of celebrities and girlfriends, your pathetic little secret club has been exposed for the rotting tumor on society it is.

The United States Federal government has been working in tandem with overseas and international law enforcement organizations to aggressively pursue and shutter websites such as this and bring and complicit perpetrators to justice.

Consider this a warning you miserable worms. Your time is coming...

>>599851875
I have the impression that people fear being labeled oppressive. And there are no values to hang on to that work for most people, except for platitudes like being honest, treating people well, etc.

>>599852996
Nope. It's their choice. Who cares?

>>599853013
But wanting to mutilate your self is not something a non mentally ill person would want. The fuck is wrong with you?

>>599853041
haven't seen this copypasta, still.....
2/10 made me respond.

>>599852194
>our society's mental stability
That ship sailed long ago.

>>599852307
>it is a sighn of insecurity
Agreed. Transgenders are among the unhappiest people I know.

>>599852996
None. Not my business. Plus most of you fucks are circumsized and I fail to see any difference in that - that is certainly mutilating genitals.

>>599853041
i dont even live is the US LOL

>>599853178
they are mentally ill, one does not allow someone suffering from a mental illness to do what they want. They can't make rational decisions that are in their best interest so we don't allow them to. This is what we do with every other mental illness but not transsexualism, why?

>>599853246
Despite being a mutilation, that is not what people hope to achieve. It is to bridge the gap between their mental and physical identities. If you want to call this dissonance a mental illness, go ahead. I'd rather not because I don't want to cause unnecessary pain.

>>599853070
Yeah i think Id agree with that.
It makes me feel protective of my right to take unpopular positions though and I don't particularly care about the politics behind having rights in the first place... So it's an invasive kind of Orwellian feel.

>>599853670
Inb4: Loads of cutfags getting pissed because they are missing part of their dick.

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>>599853670
I'm not an Ameritard or a Jew so my parents did not mutilate my genitals, and I don't think it's acceptable to mutilate your children.

>>599853246
>implying I said it's not mentally ill.
I started this thread nigger. I think it's unhealthy. That doesn't mean I want to stop people from doing it if they want to.

>>599853820
I'm pretty sure if someone isn't strongly mentally ill then they still get a choice.
Is it healthy? Maybe not. But neither is smoking? I could argue smokers are mentally ill. Do we stop them? No.

>>599853838
unnecessary pain is what you cause when you condemn these people to a life or mental illness instead of trying to help them like we do with every other mental illness. No other mental illness is treated this way. But LGBT, so T must equal G and we all no how much gays where mistreated, this is just reactionary bullshit.

>>599854045
Yeah but would you feel that people who voluntarily choose to get a circumcision later in life are mentally ill and worthy of intervention from your government? I live in a country that respects individual rights and if someone wants to play hide the sausage with other dudes, that's totally their business.

>>599854077
See will should allow other mentally ill people to do what they want to them self. you are aware of how every other mental illness i treated right? if these people where not suffering from a mental illness they would not want to mutilate them self so a rational society would not let them.

>>599854182
smokers smoke because they enjoy it they are willing to take the risks, nothing inherently wrong with that thought process. But thinking your not the sex you are is not something you should think and then wanting to mutilate you self because of that faulty thought process is a problem. What i want is transsexualisms to be treated the same as every other mental illness.

>>599854410
Being cis is not considered to be the normal sexual identity, except in its statistical meaning. So you suggest treating their illness. What would the cure be? If psychologists and psychiatrists can't agree on that, I'm not the one who will insist.

>>599855106
Right which is unless they are mortally harming themselves, stay the fuck out of their business

>>599854470
I highly doubt you live in a county that lets mentally ill people do what they want to them selfs.
the reason no one does anything about circumcision is because Jews.

>>599855325
I do. Unless they are putting themselves in mortal danger or threatening others, the government can't do shit. Just the way I like it. I think people who get tattoos are mentally ill, but it's not my place to judge them

>>599855106
>Smokers effect both them and the people around them.
>The risks clearly outweigh the benefits.
>Anyone who smokes is mentally ill and I want them to be treated.

You can twist so many things like this.

Being transgender should only effect you. Smoking effects the people around you as well and is WAY WORSE than someone getting a sex change..

Gays detected- abandon thread

>>599855188
sex is not an identity it a your reproductive functionality. gender is not an identity it's a bunch of traits associated with sex. gender identity is the gender you feel is most like you which means very little and should not compel you to mutilate your self.

>>599854683
>a rational society would not let them
It's a jump to say " this person can't take care of themselves, so we're stepping in" (pic somewhat related kek.)
Yeah I know how other mental illnesses are treated but there are plenty of other operations similar to this. Are you also against breast implants?

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>>599856022
Forgot pic.

>>599855900
Gays may take dick in the ass, but you're are bigger faggot anon. Nice dubs BTW

>>599855693
so if a someone suffering from bipolar disorder wasn'tly to cut them self they can go to a doctor and get that done? or at least you think they should be able to?

>>599856191
/thread

>>599855695
>The risks clearly outweigh the benefits.
entirely depends on your personal values and smokers are prevented from harming other to some extent with smoking bans

>>599856191
Lol gays are stupid

>>599855984
We evidently have very different backgrounds and worldviews. May I ask why you feel so strongly about this issue?

>>599856572
says the guy who got rekt

>>599856022
Wanting to get breast implant to look more attractive is extreme but is still something a non mentally ill person would want. It's the motive that's the problem not action.

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>>599848499
>im a boy but im a girl inside
>im a boy but im a dog inside
Same thing

>>599856731
If you take it in the ass you are automatically the stupid one

>>599856239
That's right dipshit. If they're not putting themselves in mortal danger, stay the fuck out of their business.

Some trans like to avoid classifying as mentally ill due to stigma associated with the term.

Like some idiots have alrdy claimed in this thread "mentally ill = cant make decisions//are not rational" - This is nonsense, a huge majority of people experience mental illness at points in their lives, and remain rational human beings who can make informed decisions about their life.

As for why does society let people mutilate their genitals it is again fairly simple. For people who are trans and feel they want the surgery, the data on their satisfaciton and wellbeing after having it, suggests it is a very good procedure for them.

I'm trans and transexualism could be defined as a mental illness, but people unfamailiar with psychology//using their minds in general will make assumptions due to ignorance.

>>599856822
Can I get a source on this?
>>599856955
Exactly. The best way to describe it I've ever heard is "A man in a dog costume is not a dog. A man in a woman costume is not a woman."

Tops are better than bottoms

>>599856955
Not really.
Do you have eyes, faggot?

>>599856822
that's a fugly vagoo

>>599856684
All the thing I said in the post where definitions of words, not sure what you can tell about my worldwide or background from that.

I feel strongly because I see people being mistreated by sociality. I think people are just trying to not make the same mistake we did in the past specifically in regard to are mistreatment of gays. I don't think LGBT should be a thing. Transsexual people are not the same as people how have a different sexual ordination to heterosexual.

>>599856239
You can make a distinction though. Cutting is an act done with self destruction in mind (though not necessarily) whereas gender swapping is done with creating in mind. There's room to argue that there should be times when a surgery is denied... but I find it hard to argue for what would actually qualify for a denial.

>>599857081
When I say they can't make rational decision it's really only in regard to the decision to mutilate their genitals or not.

>>599857323
There the best to eat

>>599857077
but they are harming them selfs and if there where not suffering from a mental illness they would not want to do those thing.

>>599856955
Lol well you're actually capable of looking like the opposite sex and changing your anatomy chemically to a certain degree whereas you are simply not a dog. I'll talk about transgendered people but I have no time for otherkin kek

Tops are superior to bottoms

>>599856955
>In b4 faggots bitch about how "you can't compare changing into a woman with changing into a dog" but fail to explain why such logic is flawed other than "my feelings"

>>599857468
Mutilating your genitals is self destruction perhaps you don't know exactly what is involved in a "sex" reassignment surgery. Which they can't see because of their mental illness.

>>599856813
I'm not sure I can agree with that. I think wanting to change your body with surgery for a cosmetic effect is always a sign of an unhealthy mind. I still wouldn't condem though

>>599857675
Still not my business or yours. You may want to blur the line, but to me it's very clear. If it doesn't affect me or others, it's not my business. If some dude wants to smoke weed, cut up his dick, and make cat scratches on his arm, that's his decision and not mine.

>>599857927
Yeah it's kind of like cutting out your liver because the cool kids don't have one.

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>>599848499
b-but trannies are so delicious

>>599857710
in time science will allow a more chemical change into a dog. But it still won't mean wanting to change into one is fucking mental

>>599857566
Ok, thats more nuanced, what would your explanation be for the extent of positive outcomes for post-op trans people?

>>599848499
>mental illness thread

If there was only men on this plaint, then you would not know what a woman was, thus you would not want to be a woman

Gays are sick in the head

>>599858365
Can we seriously not have one meaningful conversation without traps turning up?

>>599858636

Yes. That is exactly what we are discussing, fucktard.
Did you read the thread?

genders are social constructs, you may be biologically one gender but what defines that gender is purely human made. There is no objectively "manliness"

>>599857927
I'm talking about the mind frame buddy. Not the actual act. If it has the intent to create a new image of yourself it's a creative act whereas if it was self destructive it would be with intent to destroy the your old self. There's a distinction between the 2 acts on a mental level that I think are important. I agree with one and not the other.
Regardless I think both are mental illness. Just not on equal terms.

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>implying you wouldn't

>>599858840
>Can we seriously not have one meaningful conversation without traps turning up?
ok. I'll stop

>>599853317
It set sail but it's not too late for it to make port again. It'll take an equally long time to return to our former glory but it'd be worth it.

>>599858695
If there were no women in the world, wouldn't we all be gay?

>>599858904
with socks like that? no thanks jeff

>>599858904
>stating bluntly that I wouldnt
>I wouldnt

its obviously not natural to attracted to someone of the same gender. homosexuality is a mental disorder

Why would you want to be a woman if your already a man??? that's my question

You deal with the hand you are given In life.
Tough shit if you were born a woman in the body of a man. You have a first world problem and the fact that you let it ruin your life makes you weak.
Do you think Jews wanted to be Jews during ww2 or do you think black people whited to be black when they were being attacked on the street.
Fuck you and your transgender bullshit.
Get a job and pay for your parents mistakes

>>599848499
I can hardly deny that GID can be seen as a mental disorder. It is even listed in recent ICDs (ICD-10 64.0) and this is often beneficial to trans people in countries with social healthcare (some costs are taken care of by health insurance).

Though there is a growing body of evidence that the brain of, for example, a trans woman matches that of an biological woman by far more than a typicaly male brain.
One source: http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/131/12/3132
The currently leading theory is that the brain in trans women was not sufficiently androgynized during pregnancy. And vice versa in trans men.
So it can be seen as a simple brain-body mismatch. This still fits the image of a disorder, since said mismatch can cause severy psychological complications. Often resulting in depression and suicide. Even psychosis is not unheard of.

Practically all symptoms can be completely relieved by letting affected individuals live as the gender they feel they are (living as as the "gender of the brain").
Since GID generally causes disgust by the natal genitalia, it is often beneficial to change it surgically.

Society currently plays a rather negative role in the mental health of trans people. In addition to self hate for their body, said individuals also have to face discrimination at ever corner (study below).
This makes it easy to see why aproximately 45 percent (study below) attempt suicide at least once in their lifetime.
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

TL;DR I plea you not to be so harsh on trans people. They have it hard enough as it is.
Thank you for your attention!

>>599858847
Apart from having different levels of chemicals in our bodies and an extra floppy thing?
I smell a tumblfag.

>>599858636
I didn't name the thread did I?
Welcome. You are indeed in a mental illness thread my friend.

>>599859147
Nope

>>599858529
Explanation, well they think they want so they are happy when they get it, one would expect the outcomes to be positive. The problem they are still suffering from a mental illness and now they have been allowed to permanently harm there self because of it. Now you have condemned them to a life of mental illness or have to make them live with the knowledge of what was done to them while they where suffering form their illness.

Perhaps I would think differently if a sex changes actually was.

>>599858847
Most trans people will disagree...
As do i.

>>599859016
yes, gay is used as a sinonimum of homosexual, so yes...

>>599859016
Could we really live in a world without women?

>The human race would be extincted

>>599859016
nope. Well not really.
Maybe alot more gay sex stuff, as guys'll get too horny not to use themselves as outlets. But you won't suddenly get more guys having boyfriends and wanting to "spend the rest of their days in the loving arms of hairy Mike,"

Most "straight" guys have fapped to some type of gay porn once or twice in their lives, but none of them would ever feel like they'd want to be in a relationship with another dude.

>>599858868
Well they think it's creative because they think they are the other sex when they are not. Don't reply if you don't know the difference between sex, gender and gender identity.

>>599859143
Fuck you for being arrogant enough to tell someone what they can do in the privacy of their own home. I don't get why transgender people do what they do. But I do think that the decision is up to them and unless they are harming others it's their business and not yours

>>599859103
not 100%, it can also be a genetic or a endocrinologic disorder... either way something that is not supossed to be considered ok.

>>599859139
woman have lots of privilege

>>599859103
Appeal to nature fallacy, good job.

>>599848499
you faggots and you're want to "identify" as something.
Why don't you fucking realize that no matter what you identify as you will still always be what you are doing what you do.

/Faggot

>>599859103
Didn't you hear? the arguement is that you are BORN gay, therefore it's natural and not a problem!

You know, like when a kid is born with brittle bone disease. They were born with it, therefore a-okay and the parents get offended at the notion of "curing" it.

I've been dating a transgendered woman for the past 3 months, she's amazing. She's a woman through and though. At this point her dick is small and not a problem. Alo she's always in the mood. So what's wrong with transgendered people again?

>>599859692
Not hurting anyone?
Those ducks are roaming the street with their illness on show.
How am I supposed to explain to my 3 year old daughter why that man is wearing a dress

>>599859147
OP here. No disagreement on that.
But your request for not treating transgendered people harshly is of course... Denied. As is fair treatment of everyone kek

>>599859464
>implying

>>599859617
>Most "straight" guys have fapped to some type of gay porn once or twice in their lives, but none of them would ever feel like they'd want to be in a relationship with another dude.

Oh ho. Looks like we have another closet gay in denial, who's taking his anger out on others. Go cry somewhere else faggot.

>>599860212
Because you taught her that men wear jeans retard lol

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Listen to Gary Oldman. Children are being mutilated because of this movement.

>>599860212
And a fucken bad parent.
Oh this thread just gets better and better.

Get over it fucktard.

>>599860372
And they do. Retard.
Trans people need to be lobotomised

>>599860449
Top kek.

>>599852996
If you can prove it's a mental illness, you might have a point. I can't say it's something I'm in favour of either, but sweeping statements like this can be applied to anything. "Being against it is a mental illness", "being racist is a mental illness", "liking Star Wars is a mental illness".

>>599859617
There's a lot more straight guys then there are gay. So there would be massive fights over who would be top and who would be bottom. many would die

You're a 5'3 manlet beta
>lol kill yourself

You don't have the genitals you want
>oh you poor baby, let's do some highly invasive surgery in the hope of turning you into a halfway freak so you can have the life you deserve!

>>599860212
That's right, grow a fucking pair and deal with it. Unless they are cutting up your daughter, that shit is your problem and not theirs.

>>599860160
They're mentally ill. Refer to OP.
>don't imply I mean not to have relationships with them
>don't imply I mean anything other than they are mentally ill.
>also take mentally ill by its actual definition and not as an insult

>>599860648
I'd prefer all men against the feminists.
Then we can deal with the faggots

>>599860557
People who parent like you need to be lobotomized so they can't have kids.
Dumb cunt.

>>599860080
yes, a person is bron with focomelia so it is natural and it is okay... not, it is not okay, but they cant control it, BUT instead of hating them they should be receibing help to this issue... (mental illness)

>>599860761
Got it. Not an insult just a reality. True that. One can have an illness, mental in this case, and still function in society.

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>>599860250
As long as you treat everyone else just as shitty, i am satisfied.
ps.: Hackle fat people and money comes flying for psychotherapists.
Anyways, have a nice day OP.

>>599860899
My daughter is a happy and carefree girl. My wife is happy staying at home And the transgender faggot is unhappy in the cage in my basement.
Everything is normal in my household

>>599860648
well that's what we have phycologists for to diagnose mental illness, and transsexualism is already consider a mental illness. It's called gender dysphoria.

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>>599859147
>Society currently plays a rather negative role in the mental health of trans people
You say society is the negative aspect, yet this deviance of transgender has only been around for the last fifty years. Society isn't the issue, transgenderism is.

>Inb4 acceptance of it will better society

>>599859822
Like what?

>bleed from there vagina
> get there vagina ripped open in child birth
> are not as strong (there for can not protect them selves as well
> Manipulated by men

The tougher you are the more power you have. Men are tougher then women, thus are better.

>>599859143
This

>>599861258
Ahh is that where you keep your sex slave to take out your latently homosexual thoughts?

>>599859822
Men are more superior

>>599859629
I've been saying that. Don't reply if you can't handle 2 pieces of information at once

"There are people who believe their own limbs don’t belong to them. They suffer from something called body integrity identity disorder, which is rare, and generally affects white middle-aged men. (No one knows why.) Doctors, understandably, tend not to hack off the offending limbs to make reality concord with fantasy.

There are also people who believe that they are dead. This belief is known as the Cotard delusion. Medical professionals do not kill patients suffering from this condition: instead, pharmacological treatments are administered, which can be very effective. Patients who do not respond to the cocktail of prescribed antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs are, similarly, not bumped off.

So why, in the case of another, related and very high-profile disease, suffers of which believe they were born with the wrong sex organs, do we, rather than treating the disorder with medication and therapy, instead go about warping reality to conform to delusion? Partly that’s because we’re generally nice people, and we don’t like to deny someone who is clearly suffering, who has asked for something they think will help them and which does not directly affect other people."

>>599861258
Your daughter would be happy in her sheltered, uneducated life. Just like a downs kid would be happy.
When she gets into the real world? We'll see /b/ro, we'll see.

>>599861645
no it's where I leave the transsexual faggots I find walking the streets endangering our children's minds

>>599859629
Tumblfags! They're invading? God help us all.

>>599856955
Exactly, they're both things only a mentally ill person would believe.

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>>599858847
>pseudo-intellectual gender-deviant acceptance detected
Back to tumbler faggot

>>599859822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXb7ROVNmR8

>>599862019
nahhhh. This guy must be trolling.
No ones that dumb.

>>599861837
We will.
She will have learned how to deal with people with mental illness the way I have.
Abduction, starvation and extermination.
She has helped me already

>>599862019
Right to satisfy your sexual desires. I get it and am totally cool with that. What you do in your own house is your business, as long as you don't play pokey with your daughter.

>>599862358
It's far too easy to wind people up in these threads

>>599861656
I don't see how the specific nature of the faulty thought process makes any difference. They are still mentally ill, they are still harming them selves, and if there where not mentally ill they would not want it done to them. So why should they not be treated equal, how is it different? them thinking (because of there mental illness ) that it's creative does not change the reality that it's destructive.

>>599860278
where did I say anything angrily there?
I was only saying that when someone calls themself "gay" they usually mean they also have romantic feelings for dudes, not just aroused by sex.

Way to project there bub,

>>599862370
Helped you already?
You're massive faggot and yet don't get what you deserve. Death.

Or is this mr.skelly talking. #3spooky8me.

>>599862370
Don't cut yourself on the edge friend.

>>599858847
Actually having a penis and sperm producing testicles and having higher levels of testosterone in your body is objectively "manliness." Quit trying to use your pseudo-psychology to rationalize your mental disease as anything other than that, a disease. You can identify with a gender you don't belong to but that doesn't make it normal, it makes it a mental illness.

>>599858847
the fuck does that have to do with sex.

>>599862555
Don't you dare talk about my daughter in that way.
I have been triggered

>>599862555
>Trips checked
This is how the majority of society feels.

>>599862811
Sorry trips > dubs

>>599862652
It changes the reality of how you deal with it. someone who does it creatively is far more stable than someone who does it as an act of identity destruction. That's my point.

>>599862672
If blood flows from your head to your dick when you see another man, you sir are gay

>>599862781
Gender is a set of traits associated with a particular sex, being more like the other is not a mental illness, though thinking it means anything is stupid. But wanting to mutilate your genitals because of it is a mental illness.

>>599861465
>rape people and get away and get call a heroe
>being allowed to hit man not never get hit back
>by law you have to get hired of the company is misogynistic
>can decide if you whant to have a child or not while man have to just accept your decition
>etc etc

and also there is something call cesarea, and by the way kidney stone and liver stones are a lot more paifull (women that have give birth vaginal AND had suffer from thi other thing said so)
> not being as strong: man protect you wich i think is a privilege
>women manipulet men too

im not saying that all the women have this intentionally, but neither white people or other privilge group people says there is

>>599862849
Yeah, I guess in between the shit my wife gives me and the shit my boss gives me, I just don't have any energy at the end of my day to actively hate on gays. Whatever energy I have is wasted here on /b. Speaking of which, time to clock out

>>599863729
With your cock out?

>>599863847
kek'd

>>599858904
no i wouldn't

>>599863847
I don't have a cock, fucking wife took it along with my will to live

>>599848499


>wut is DSM5

>>599863994
Fag

>>599848499
/pol/ plz go

>>599858904
What? Kick the shit out of and then kill it?
Of course I would. I am human after all

/pol/ plz go

>>599863213
well in effect you are saying that you acknowledge that both acts are desired as a result of mental illness, so my question is why should one be allowed and the other not when both acts are not desirable to the same person not suffering from the mental illness. Whether within the illness they think it's a good or bad thing we have to consider what they would want if they where not suffering from the mental illness.

>>599864096
She probably took your testicles.
You have a cock and should use it to gain authority over feminazis

>>599863227
Okay then. Won't lie, a bit of young cock now and again tweaks my dick. Never denied that. Doesn't bother me much son.

However I take it then that you're of the belief that if there was only men on the planet, that we'd all be gay? Because as I recall, my comment was disagreeing with that notion, yet this got you mad.

Again, talk about projecting.

>>599862672
I consider myself bi, seeing as the though of both anal sex (both giving and receiving) arouses me.
However, I don't remember being the one admitting to wanking over gay porn. Not hating, just making a point.

>>599848499
all non male/ female genders are mentally ill, all bi people are trying to either fit in with degenerates, or are mentally ill, gay "people" are just peices of shit who deserve to hang.
the rreason "people" is quoted is because i key part of humans is the ability to naturally reproduce.
captcha: orget
inb4 dubs

>>599864522
Dude bisexuality is just a way for people to take it up the arse and not have to come out of the closet. You will eventually.
However if a girl is bi she is just attention seeking or a feminazi who hates men

>>599853041
>>599853041
>be me
>be a baby
>get dropped on head
>grow up to be feminist
>publish book about shitty ideals
>feminists love it
>ask where i got the info
>tell them 4chan
that's not going to go over well i can tell you that

>>599863550
>being allowed to hit man not never get hit back
If a woman hit me, i would put her in her place.
>rape people
Why the fuck would you want to rape someone?
>can decide if you whant to have a child or not while man have to just accept your decition
I chose who i want to fuck, chances are if i have fucked you, i have wanted to get you pregnant (that's why people have sex).
> not being as strong: man protect you wich i think is a privilege
Women need men to protect them from other men (not all men want to protect women).
>women manipulet men too
Yeah, stupid men like you lol

>>599864719
appeal to nature fallacy

>>599865002
Good logic there bud. Except one problem, I like grills too.

>>599865260
appeal to the fallacy fallacy in saying fallacy but not explain why he's wrong in this instance

>>599864133
meh. I wouldn't put too much faith in the DSM in this regard. Was talking to a psychologist as part of an internship and he said that a lot of changes made to the DSM were influenced heavily by politics instead of science

>>599865741
I was just pointing out that his augment is weak.

>>599848499 >It's not healthy to have a disconnect between your body and your identity
Im sure you got this information from a very credible source.

>>599866151
argument

>>599866169
The Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders seems credible to me.

>>599866151
I know what you were doing. I was just pointing out there's a fallacy in saying "something fallacy" and then not explaining WHY.

If his argument's weak, it should be quick and easy to explain why.
Simply saying he's wrong and nothing else make it look like you've put your fingers in your ears and refusing to debate.

>>599866151
>trying to sound smart and failing

>>599865986
>Was talking to a psychologist as part of an internship and he said that a lot of changes made to the DSM were influenced heavily by politics instead of science


I regularly work on a psych floor in a hospital, and its still the standard of diagnosis and treatment. And the standard treatment for GID works.

"politics" probably means more than somebody peopel are getting increasingly butthurt that their pet morality isn't informing the text as much

>>599866719
no I was just being lazy

>>599860449
gee. another old white male.

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>>599848499
I identify as a Wood Pigeon.

>>599863550
> not being as strong: man protect you wich i think is a privilege

It's better to be a man, because men can protect them selves and go out and not have to worry about being a target because you are a big scary man and no one wants to fuck with a scary man. that's why men are better than women

Fear builds respect

Women do not get as much respect as men. that's why there call sluts and have only recently been allowed to vote.

Hitler wasn't all that bad

>>599866661
well the weakness of his argument is the fallacy, assuming one does not think that because something is natural it's right is a valid argument.

>>599867057
are you saying because he is old and white his opinion is not valid.

>>599867299
faggocy*

>>599866767
He was talking specifically about the changes to the axes in regard to the autism spectrum, but anyway I wasn't saying the DSM isn't useful or accurate in other instances, that's why I said "in this regard." Nevertheless, the use of the DSM can be detrimental in the sense that it puts a label on people that can lead others to disregard their dignity and worth as a person

>>599867462
Faggotry*

>>599864719
>key part of humans is the ability to naturally reproduce.


No it isn't. Its perfectly easy to create a definition of human without once appealing to any individuals reproductive status.

Wiki doe a good job:

Modern humans (Homo sapiens or Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of the hominin clade, a branch of great apes characterized by erect posture and bipedal locomotion; manual dexterity and increased tool use; and a general trend toward larger, more complex brains and societies.

>>599867418
basically. they've been ru(i)nning the world for too long.

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>>599867622
Faggot-tree

>>599862370
How can you have a daughter if you are a faggot?

>>599867742
It's not their fault they're running the world, you racists. no more than it's the Negroes fault he's poor.

>>599853041
"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."

What goes on at 4chan stays at 4chan. It has little connection to real life. For example, I am really an anarchist but I like to express my more fascist views here in this safe place.

>>599864476
>>599864476
I'm not sure I could justify myself in saying one should be allowed and one not. I'd say that while I find the decision to changes ones sex to be as a result of mental illness I'm not comfortable enough in my knowledge to say that it is less harmful to treat their mind rather than change their body. The reason I don't put them on equal terms to make the decision is because I think one type of person is more mentally equipped to make the decision than the other. While still mentally ill. I don't put them so high up on the scale of mental illness that they shouldn't be in control.

>>599868092
I can't see what makes him a faggot.
Troll maybe but don't see faggot

>>599867299
True, but how can he learn if you don't teach?

Though it's equally silly to dismiss natural things that are required for a species to survive, as something that shouldn't automatically be considered by most to be what we want people to have and generally called "good"

>>599848499
Yes, they are mentally ill.
Which is why they need treatment, possible physical surgery if it helps their mental stability, and above all an accepting environment where they can be functional.
I seriously don't understand the mental illness argument, treating transexuals as mentally ill would involve...basically the exact same thing liberals want.

>>599848499
I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm beautiful. I'm having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me "Apache" and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can't accept me you're a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

>>599860449


>hey, i found a Ph.D that agrees with me!
>learn2science fags

>>599867645
>Its perfectly easy to create a definition of human without once appealing to any individuals reproductive status.
He's the same type of retard that forgets there is more to propagating the species than pooping out babies.

They forget you have to raise these little shits too, something gay people can easily do, which would make them legit and productive members of society.

>>599868436
>I can't see what makes him a faggot.
He posts on /b/, ergo he is a gigantic faggot.
QED

>>599868292
Well in the case of every other mental illness the illness is treated not the physical reality altered. I don't think psychologist would treat transsexualism differently to other mentally ill people if society didn't dictate that they should. Which is mainly why I hold the position that I do.

>>599869012
Ergo you are a massive faggot

>>599868613
>treating transexuals as mentally ill
Do you mean treating them as mentally ill in the sense that " you're not capable of taking care of yourself"? I wouldn't want that like..

>>599869155
Let me tell you this:
There are no straight people on /b/.

>>599868845
who would want gay people to bring up their kids?
why not have femnazi's pick the kids up after school while we're at it?

>>599868465
Will he lean if I try to teach him, experience says no.

It's not required that everyone be straight for the species to survive, at least not any more. Moreover, not finding the opposite sex sexually attractive does not preclude sex for reproduction.

>>599869136
>Well in the case of every other mental illness the illness is treated not the physical reality altered


That basically is only because there is not really anything to physically alter in a person with, say, schizophrenia or a personality disorder (except for chemical imbalances in the brain)

You gotta understand the goal of treating mental disorders is two fold: that they can function in society, and that they are not in distress. Hormonal therapy and surgery accomplishes those two things in people with GID.

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>>599848499
>It's not healthy to have a disconnect between your body and your identity.

I agree. How should I fix said disconnect?

>>599869457
They need to be institutionalised. Why do people have trouble accepting that

>>599869886
*learn

Fucking pedos. How could anyone get off to the idea of removing a little girl's clothes and licking her tiny body all over, nibbling her neck and kissing her adorable little nipples? Only a heartless monster would think about her cute girlish mouth and tongue wrapped around a thick cock slick with her saliva, pumping in and out of her mouth until it erupts, the cum more than her little throat can swallow.
The idea of thick viscous semen overflowing, dribbling down her chin over her flat chest, her tiny hands scooping it all up and watching her suck it off her fingertips is just horrible. You're all a bunch of sick perverts, thinking of spreading her smooth slender thighs, cock poised at the entrance to her pure, tight, virginal pussy, and thrusting in deep as a whimper escapes her lips which are slippery with cum, while her small body shudders from having her cherry taken in one quick stroke.
I am disgusted at how you'd get even more excited as you lean over her, listening to her quickening breath, her girlish moans and gasps while you hasten your strokes, her sweet pants warm and moist on your face and her flat chest, shiny with a sheen of fresh sweat, rising and falling rapidly to meet yours.
It is truly nasty how you'd run your hands all over her tiny body while you violate her, feeling her nipples hardening against your tongue as you lick her chest, her neck and her armpits, savoring the scent of her skin and sweat while she trembles from the stimulation and as she reaches her climax, hearing her cry out softly as she has her first orgasm while that cock is buried impossibly deep inside her, pulsing violently as an intense amount of hot cum spurts forth and floods through her freshly-deflowered pussy for the first time, filling her womb only to spill out of her with a sickening squelch. And as you lie atop her flushed body, she sighs breathlessly and her fingers dig into your back as she feels your cock hardening inside her again. You're all sick

>>599869608
>who would want gay people to bring up their kids?
Someone who doesn't want to leave his/her daughter with some creepy neckbeard.

>why not have femnazi's pick the kids up after school while we're at it?
She would be straddled with a kid. She's a strong independant woman. Forcing to have her raise a kid is forcing the patriarchy and traditional gender roles on her.
That's high level rape anon, you can't do that.

>>599869136
The problem is that in this specific circumstance, the illness is directly related to their physical status.
They reason why they are mentally unstable is because their bodies do not match up with what their minds "say" they should be. And mental illness can be treated, but it can rarely be cured.
So for this particular diseases, it makes sense to give them the option of physical surgery. Also worth noting that not all transexuals go through physical surgery, for some it's enough to be socially identified as their preferred gender.
>>599869457
Of course not, for the majority of mental illnesses that's not the case at all. The purpose is to allow them to function in society, not to lock them up from public view.

>>599869457
No. Thats different. Many bipolar people live alone but are mentally-ill.

>>599861312
Sorry for the late response. I finally took my time to eat something...

The issue has been around for at least ~7000 years (as evident from scriptures in eastern cultures). Though it is very likely to have been around for as long as humans exist.
The main reason for the lack of visibilty of GID in western culture can be ascribed to supressive religions and the lack of possibility of transition.
In the past trans people either played as their natal role until psychological breakdown or were killed or ostrazised and died as a consequence thereof (in medieval europe for example).

>Inb4 acceptance of it will better society
It will definitely prevent many deaths. Trans people would have a much easier time. Still not as easy as cisgender people but better than now.
And i dont see any negative consequence for society.
Quite the opposite actually: All the financial harm that is done to our economy by trans people dying or not getting a job fitting their qualifications will be gone.
All in all it would raise the effective productivity of trans people.
The only thing remotely close to a downside is that they would pay far less for psychotherapy... less money for me.
And maybe, please excuse my language, whiny asswipes like you would have one minority less to bully for personal enjoyment.

TL;DR:
In the past trans people died. Nowadays they live to tell their story.
Yes it will benefit society.

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>>599870083
Pic related.

>>599870009
This!

also >>599869136 read >>599859147

>>599869937
That's not how modern psychology works, anon.
We've progressed past just locking people up and hoping they get better.

>>599848884
That's just a permanent Halloween costume. It doesn't fix anything.

>>599869136
Thats fine if you think so.
I just feel like trying to persuade them off the sex change could be similar to the damage done to a gay in a save this sinner from homosexuality situation.
Actually I would consider drugs to be changing the reality. Regardless, even if there was no case where the physical reality is changed as treated I don't think it follows to say that there isn't a situation where it CAN be used.

>>599870607

It fixes the distress and subsequent disability that trans people experience.

That is about as far one gets with mental disorders.

>>599860650
it would be prison rules

>>599870513
And how society has failed us all...

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>>599849722

>genetics is a social construction

FUCK

>>599870403
Thanks a lot!
I'll keep it for the next thread.

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>>599848499
>caring about stupid shit like this
>not caring about the banks owning the world
you goys really have your priorities right

>>599867082
i did not said that women are better, i said privilege

>>599869925
there are some mental illness that could be treated in the same why but they are not, I can't recall any names for these mental illnesses but, for example, some people want to remove some of their limbs because they don't fell they belong to them or something like that.

>You gotta understand the goal of treating mental disorders is two fold: that they can function in society, and that they are not in distress. Hormonal therapy and surgery accomplishes those two things in people with GID.

The problem there is that the hormonal therapy and surgery are permanent, if you where to cure them of their GID later well now they have mutilated their genitals (I don't know much about the permanent effects of hormonal therapy). Also the current sex changes operations are cosmetic not actual sex change operations, if they where it might be an acceptable treatment.

>>599869886
It's not required for every animal of a species to try to breed for them to survive either. It doesn't mean it's incorrect for a person to claim that if a animal doesn't want to breed it's considered as having something wrong with it.

Yes you don't HAVE to find someone attractive to breed with them. But it's also fair for people to suggest that "farming" humans would be something we'd like to avoid if we could.

>>599859016
Depends.
If there never were any women, we'd be a species where 2 same sex individuals could reproduce, and we would indeed all be gay.

If all women were to disappear overnight, we'd better hurry up with human cloning.

Who the fuck cares?

>>599849722
This can't be real, right guys?
Right?
Guys?

>>599871165
>what is satire?

are you fucking slow or something?

>>599848499
It is a psychiatric issue. This has been acknowledged, but it is so common and pervasive in environments and circumstances that defy enculturation or sexual orientation alone, that transgenderism is considered so overwhelmingly legitimate.

In addition, psychiatrists have been working on this for over 100 years with various men and women and in all of the hundreds of studies and treatments almost all have been harmful or actually killed the people EXCEPT when they are allowed to be themselves and get cosmetic changes that perpetuate their identity as a woman/man.

You're speaking in agnostic terms here. The future moved on from the 1980s years ago. I'm sorry you didn't get the memo. But your heart's in the right place, so I appreciate that

>>599869980
i love you

>>599870759
well their are other mental illness where it could be used and it's not, illness where society does not dictate what psychologist should do.

>>599871236
*gays

>>599871542
List of people who spend a large part of their lives caring about transexuals;
>Transexuals
>Their Doctors
>Social Conservatives

>>599871292
So you would rather be privilege then the superior gender?

>>599871407
>some people want to remove some of their limbs because they don't fell they belong to them or something like that.

Things like body integrity disorder and Apotemnophilia.


The difference here is that treatments for those are can accomplished without the emotionally side effects of trying to counsel GID away.

Its like say that all any kind of antibiotic works on any kind of bacteria. Similar in a general sense, but the particulars fuck you up.


>if you where to cure them of their GID later well now they have mutilated their genitals


That is a big ass "if" -- this is not like a pathogen that you take an antibiotic for. Rarely is a mental disorder of this magnitude cured --they are almost always managed throughout life.

>Also the current sex changes operations are cosmetic not actual sex change operations,


That apparently doesn't matter.

>>599871979
I think people tend to think i mean to say more than I do when I call it a mental illness. I don't mean to say that the best treatment of it isn't to get a sex change operation. I view it in the same light as the process of ungaying. Don't question the word ungaying. It's a thing now.