>that rant on Goldberg
xth for SOCIAL OUTCASTS
also tfw Axel is still in last year's royal rumble
>all these kids getting worked by the game
>>879153
Please have sex
>You now remember Triple H's feud with Scott Steiner
One of the worst pieces of television anyone could ever subject themselves to.
Can't wait for heyman promos tbqh la familia
>>879155
18+
I-i've been practising in the mirror or a couple days now
r-r-rate my bump
>>879156
The two hated each other and creative tried to get Steiner fired multiple times.
Triple H also was in charge of how the matches were booked, which was the exact opposite of how they should have been.
>>879160
>outlaw wrestling
>>879166
>Someone can't have a civil discussion
>Responds with meme replies
>Expects to be taken seriously
Wew lad.
Haitch thread? Haitch thread.
Hell yeah Haitch edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JF8oSxXtM
>Triple H main events wrestlemania for the 7th time to tie Hulk Hogan and most importantly to spite CM "0 main events" Punk
>>879194
THE MAN THE MAIN EVENT FORGOT
>>879197
Tippy tip kik
>7(seven) wrestlemania main events
>>879160
>kicked in the chest
>holds the chin
Damn, what is wrong with these people? It's even worse when you see it in the WWE. Does Vinny yell at them if they improvise or something?
>>879203
Post more Haitch
>>879194
CM Punk doesn't need to spited by that, I'm pretty sure the knowledge that Miz got a main event and he didn't will follow him to his grave. Hell, I'd be bitter too.
>>879204
You can get fired for it these days so yeah.
>>879208
Honestly, his whole thing about the main event was part timers getting it over him when he's working full time. I really don't think he'd be mad about Miz getting a main event, ESPECIALLY when the Miz's main event was hijacked by the Rock of all people.
Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJYnwpoRMVs
Marrying the boss' daughter sure has had its perks.
What do you think would have happened if Haitch didn't marry Steph? Would he still be wrestling today?
>>879228
>tfw test would still be alive
>>879146
>>879228
He'd probably be TNA's top draw in 2005
>>879160
>guy can't even land on the sprinkles properly
>outlaws
>>879152
I hope they keep this gag running
>>879235
this, someone coul use this shit on a shoot promo.
>>879156
>not liking HHH crying over losing his flex off with Steiner
>>879228
The thing that actually put him in the ME was Austin & Rock fucking off and Angle, Hogan and Big Show fucking off to Smackdown.
>>879241
DON't CHANGE THAT CHANNEL
axelmania.com
>>879248
dear god that website design is shit
I love it
Daniel Bryan Vs Undertaker Career vs Career match at Wrestlemania
Do it Vince you old faggot
>>879248
Genius.
>all I ever see is smarks being smarks
>"I know so much about the business that I'm not involved in."
>>879253
It's like people on /tv that complain about movies.
Most one there wouldn't dare touch a camera to actually make their own.
>>879253
As a fan I am the single MOST involved person in the WWE. This entire business would collapse without me and my support
>>879256
There must be a way to say this without sounding like a massive tool.
>>879254
>this moment is less than two months old
>a majority of wrestling fans have already forgotten about it
>>879258
>a majority of wrestling fans have already forgotten about it
vintage shamus
>>879264
He's already been released anyway.
>>879264
Hhhell be fine
>>879272
Explain how it's not. Wouldn't people who criticize acting and movies be hypocritical if they refuse to make movies and be an actor themselves?
>>879251
Fuck off, Taker had to be retired since 2010
>>879256
Well said sir
>Tfw Sting is 0-2 in his WWE career
>>879281
1-2 with a fucking tag team win
>>879281
>TFW Stings WWE career is over
He could have wrestled Undertaker at Wrestlemania but no he stayed with freaking TNA
this is the best mainevent WWE can book if the rock doesn't wrestle but if the rock is wrestling he should fight taker unless WWE can make a better opponent to taker(FINN BALOR) then his opponent should be yes yes yes Daniel Bryan if he is cleared if he is not they can make him have one match only for example rock returning making a promo the saying I came back to to help make wm the greatest one at all and I saw a superstar that I want to fight he is Daniel Bryan then the next week bryan accept saying i cannot fight in raw or smackdown but I can have one great match at wm aganist the most electrifying man in all of sport entertainment BALOR should debut after the rumble defeating taker at mania then after that he began the balor club angle you wrote about abd bray vs lesnar for the wwe championship is good but what about owens
>“You need to remember that Vince is never going to go with something he didn’t create. But we didn’t get anything done at the rehearsal the night before, so WrestleMania day, there were tents in the parking lot set up with rings for rehearsal. So we’re all in there again, and I’m next to Hulk on the ring apron and Triple H is going over the match and then he goes, ‘OK, he’ll break the sledgehammer, then I’ll hit him with the sledgehammer, and cover him, 1-2-3.’ I looked at Hulk, and Hulk looked at me, and I was thinking, ‘Sting, what kind of lawyer do you have, bro? You’re coming in the door doing a job? You weren’t even guaranteed to go over?’ That’s Vince just reminding you who won, even if he’s going to make money the other way.”
>>879285
What comment section did you copy paste that from?
>>879285
Given the fact that we're on /asp/ I can't tell if this is bait or not.
>>879285
>bray vs lesnar for the wwe championship
>>879288
>He can't tell a normie comment section post from a glance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShXy9kk0zvE
He should have just retired after that Cena match at MitB, since he got rid of the dreads he's tarnished his legacy.
Typical Daniel Bryan fan
>>879217
get that man a shovel!!!!!
>>879256
this page is full of fans, saying what they want to happen, it never happens.
>>879293
ew she actually bought one of WWE's sweatshirts?
The thumb holes in those are ridiculously stupid.
>>879271
fuck you, you absolute cunt!!!!! don't you fucking dare do this to me!!! go and die in a fire of AIDS you periodstain dickhead!!!
>>879160
Something about the red outfit of that one guy, and how generally small the other dude is just rubs me the wrong way about all of this.
>>879296
she didn't buy shit, she got free merch and ting for appearances.
>>879299
Welcome to literally every outlaw wrestling promotion.
>>879277
>hurrr durrr you have to act and direct to be able to say if a movie/actor is bad or not
No
>>879284
With what was happening to WCW guys, I don't blame him for not wanting to jump ship, but he did anyway when it was already too late and got buried by Hunter anyway so it was all for naught. Probably would have made a lot of money and gotten a bigger legacy if he was part of the mid 00's roster.
Trivia time. (No cheating of course)
Which Royal Rumble number has had the most winners?
SMACKDOWN IS ON!!!
>>879253
JAR-VIS SOL-ID
CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP
JAR-VIS SOL-ID
CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP
>>879304
>DDP IS A SICKO!
>PEOPLE LIKEAHHH YOU DON'T GET TO BE A CHAMPIONAHHH!
the invasion and the brand split was something to behold.
>>879293
I think she's hot desu
>>879307
27
>>879307
1994
;)
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/40zwks/yo_guys_watch_smackdown_for_two_reasons/
Jerry Lawler is heel now?
>>879319
It's what I thought last Smack!Down
It's like the olden days again.
>>879319
Back to reddit
>sandow, swagger, ryder, and goldust team
what
>>879253
My only problem is that deep down, they don't want WWE to succeed
>deanetty deanetty deanetty
>wyatts are jobbers, I suddenly can't support their main event push
>all the Cesarofags disappear overnight
>oh no suddenly we are nothing without Cena
>>879272
>not even remotely the same thing
>hurrr durrr you have to act and direct to be able to say if a movie/actor is bad or not
>No
Fuck you, Dunn. Shouldn't you be blowing Vinny right now?
>>879285
>this faggot with his HURRRR FYNN BALLOT DA NEW DAEDMAN
>>879325
>Deanetty
Yes. Ambrose is incapable of being interesting and can't have a good match with anyone not named Seth Rollins. Vastly overrated by IWC smarks cause he was CZW champ whereas his WWE career has been lackluster and despite being the longest reigning US champ he was also the worst.
>Wyatts
Luke Harper is a great wrestler. Bray is a good talker but gets monotonous after some time. The other 2 guys work good as enforcers, overall it's a good stable but it just doesn't work in present day especially considering how Bray can't win a feud to save his life.
>Cesaro
Great wrestler but he has nothing going for him in terms of mic work and charisma. Rediters trying to get him a forced push ruined his chances of success.
>Cena
Most people are glad that he got forced out of his comfort zone last year from wrestling with just 5 moves. The US challenge matches were great and the best matches of 2015 involved him. With everyone else being so horrible on the mic he looks way better cause he has experience, and knows what he's doing in there for the most part.
There, I just explained /wwe/'s mindset to you without trolling.
>>879328
You're a retard
>>879234
That's a nice DDT bump 2bh
>>879332
Great fucking comeback. Fucking brilliant. Eat a dick.
>>879331
Actually you proved my point. You shit on everyone.
Not to mention IWC smarks hate Ambrose and would gargle Cesaro' swiss jizz if they got the chance.
>>879293
>tfw no qt Daniel Bryan fan gf
>>879341
>Actually you proved my point. You shit on everyone.
Lol. It's called being objective. We don't "shit on" everyone, we're just honest about it unlike the typical wootist or redditer who thinks that a wrestler can either be perfect or completely garbage and that there's no in between.
Fandango = swag = royal rumble winner
Push Fandango
>>879362
>file didnt post
fucking bullshit
>>879364
I want Roman to go
>>879364
How many times has Triple H opened RAW?
>>879360
hes still over brother.
>Regarding Tyler Breeze going from WWE NXT to the main roster, Triple H reportedly really wanted to protect Breeze and saw him as a heel on the level of Dolph Ziggler. Vince McMahon agreed and started Breeze at that level but then wasn’t convinced and ended the push immediately.
BASED VINCE
>>879370
>Fandango standing right next to New Day
>They start twerking
>He doesn't join in
All hope and optimism: Gone.
>>879373
I never understood all the smarks marking out over Breeze. His gimmick is just John Morrison/Mundo (More specifically Johnny Nitro) with a selfie stick.
It's literally not even different. All Breeze needs is a red carpet, and an ugly tag team partner.
>neville fighting KO and shaemus
I-is Neville finally getting the push out of "eats every pin" jobberville I dreamed about?
>>879146
Can the 4 NJPW guys save WWE, i mean new 4 NXT superstars
>>879385
no
>>879380
>they're probably gonna have Ben Stiller on in promotion of Zoolander 2
>Breeze will have a match against Ben Stiller in Zoolander kayfabe
>He'll eat a rollup pin thanks to interference from Dolph Ziggler
>>879380
At most, I can see him being like Dolph Ziggler, minus the world titles.
I didn't care for him all that much myself, though. He's serviceable in the ring with a flamboyant gimmick that could get some heat.
eh.
>>879293
pretty qt if you ask me
>>879391
pls let me dream
>>879390
styles should be in the rumble hes used to the american style, japanesse micheal jackson should at least have a few matches in NXT to get adapted to the wwe style.
machine gun and gallows should go to NXT because the tag division is better but im good either way.
>>879290
A Wyatt's vs Lazor fued would be nothing less than great
>>879286
where's this from?
>>879370
I've never actually seen Fandango, what was his deal, why was he so over?
>>879410
He had a catchy theme song
that was literally it
>>879411
How does someone get so over just based on their song? What the fuck even is the song?
>>879416
It's literally a meme song.
>>879420
Wrestling is a meme.
>>879416
new as fuck.
>>879423
I watched as a kid during the ruthless aggression era, just started watching again recently
>>879416
It was the mania crowd, as soon as they fucked off after RAW he started to lose reaction bit by bit
Can't wait for the smarks to hijack another rumble just because Bryan isn't there.
>>879426
then they did that segment where lawler interviewed him about how popular it was getting
god that was terrible
>>879428
You anon, are in fact one of those smarks of which you speak.
>tfw wrestling isnt the same without BMJ
>Owen vs. Zayn
Nice.
fandango is still alpha as fuck though.
>>879441
Fandango push when
>>879428
Yeah, how dare they, last year's Royal Rumble was a masterpiece that should've been appreciated
How do you make a belt desirable/prestigious?
>>879438
18+
>>879445
Good booking
>>879445
>lands right on the knees
I don't know much about how the mat is made, but that must be painful
>>879445
By having the people who wrestle for it look serious.
>>879450
Steel beams, plywood, and padding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjyk5eU6TPI
>>879445
Guy in your WEBM's reign as NXT Champion is a perfect example
>>879445
>Have the belt defended more than once every three months
Really, how many times did Ambrose defend the US title in Shield's heel run? taking a belt out of the light kills any interest in it
>Have more than two people/groups fighting for it
Having the same people just trading the belt back and forth gets very dull very fast
>Don't have the feud be crammed with jobbers
Having all of your talent look credible should go without saying, but don't use a belt as a 'we need something for these guys to do' excuse
>Occasionally have an upper-card character feud for it or win it
Easy one, too. If the mid-carder can retain against a main-eventer, it makes them look good and could even be used to push him for a main event run. If the main eventer wins, it makes the title look like it's worth having.
>Don't make the belt look like a tramp stamp
The way your title looks says just as much about its value as the people who are fighting for it.
>>879380
> Johnny Mundo
18+
He's far more like early/mid 90s HBK
>>879465
>He's far more like early/mid 90s HBK
PUSH FANDANGO
>>879467
18+
> vain, effeminate prettyboy
> narcissistic
> kick finisher
> sings own theme
>>879475
>He's far more like early/mid 90s HBK
18+
Have sex
>>879475
When Shawn Michaels came out, there weren't crickets chirping.
>>879464
>Don't make the belt look like a tramp stamp
What does a good women's title look like, I never cared for the old one, and the new one is obvious trash. Don't pay enough attention to other companies, do they have good female belt designs?
>>879491
other than the strap the NWA womens title looks decent other than that the rest are very generic.
>>879491
The previous women's title wasn't anything to write home about, but it was servicable. The old school one looked nice, and the TNA women's belt (the one with the white strap) looks decent.
Pretty much anything that looks like a title belt and not something designed by a slutty 18 year-old for her first tattoo to piss off daddy.
>>879491
NXT Women's Title looks great
>>879495
He was coming out to crickets before that happened
>>879495
>shitbooked
Wtf are you talking about dummy? Breeze is in no way even close to early Shawn Michaels. Breeze looks literally gay and there's nothing about him that's eye catching plus he's way shorter and less physically imposing than HBK, women were fanning themselves and screaming when Shawn came out. People go take piss breaks when Breeze music hits.
18+
>>879506
You post like a surly teenager
> physically imposing
> HBK
o am i laffin
>>879507
>Says I'm meme posting
>Decide to give him the benefit of the doubt
>Goes back to shit posting
I guess I should just stick to my guns when talking to retards like you.
18+ faggot
>>879510
lol if this were 1992 (>implying you were alive then) you'd be saying the exact same garbage about Michaels
Stay worked, mark
>Shawn Michaels in the 90's
1/2
>>879514
>>879513
>Tyler Breeze 2015
>b-b-ut they're totally the same physically
What a turd.
>stay worked mark
>i-i-i was only pretending to be retarded
You don't need to pretend with me dummy.
Fuck off haitch
>>879515
>Bleached blonde hair
>Fuzzy selfie stick
Jeezus, this dude looks like a faggot
>>879515
hes basically dolph ziggler with a selfie stick.
>>879515
i dont know why or how they expected anyone to take him seriously as anything other than a comedy act
another stupid gimmick from nxt
>>879522
I just blew you out of the water, and predictably you go straight to shitposting. Only a complete idiot (you) would compare Tyler Breeze to 90's Shawn Michaels. They're nothing alike.
Dummy.
>>879525
> they're nothing alike
Except for all of the similarities I listed, sure.
Why are you being so obtuse about this? There's the ridiculous legend deification that WWE propagates and then there's >> (You)
>>879533
Not dat guy but Seth Rollins is the current closest thing to 90's HBK. Breeze is nowhere near.
>>879525
Anyone that isn't insanely muscular, tall and is good in-ring gets compared to him for some reason
>>879537
Persona, not workrate
Not that Breeze is a slouch in-ring
>>879540
>workrate
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WORK RATE IS
>>879533
Name one similarity between Breeze and Michaels other than they like to look at themselves through a screen or their song
>>879542
> I'm too dumb to know good from bad
> therefore nobody else can either
Go 2 bed nWoWolfkuck
>>879540
Breeze is a fag who has done nothing on the main roster. How can you compare his persona to Shawn?
>>879544
What the fuck is "work rate"?
>>879544
>muh work rate
>work rate
Do I have to post another Smarkybustery video?
>>879546
The rate at which a wrestler can work
DUUUHHHHH
>>879550
> posting your own videos
Fuck off yokel
>>879546
Bet you listen to mp3s faggot.
>>879553
Then Daniel Byran has the worst work rate because he's not wrestling anymore.
>>879550
No one wants to watch your videos you cunts
>>879549
> dumbest post
> it's Jewbacca
every fucking time
CM Punk killed WWE.
>>879557
Is this weak-ass shit meant to be b8?
>>879560
But muh juicy crispy spicy indierific workrate guys
>>879564
should've never took that post seriously enough to reply to it.
>>879565
> Michaels
> Breeze
So very [your shitposting memes]
I'm amazed that somebody as dumb as you can even operate a computer
Nakamura wins the rumble
screencap this
>>879565
Remember when everyone was saying that Ziggles was "crisp" in the ring? Whatever the fuck that means.
>>879548
There gimmicks are nothing alike though. Shawn appealed to women- Breeze doesn't have any women screaming for him, he's just a gimmick particular to the current social media era. Shawn is bigger than Breeze. Shawns superkick was actually original- Breeze is just copying it like so many have done since. Was Stevie Richards the next HBK too? Gtfo kid.
>>879566
Pointing out how lame that post is would be the exact opposite of taking it seriously, junior.
Take a lap.
>>879565
>d-d-d-do I fit in yet?
leave tripshit
>>879571
>Shawns superkick was actually original-
18+ 18+ 18+
>>879571
>hbk invented the superkick
>>879570
smark IWC flavor of the month.
He was always botch good seller when he wants to be but oversells a lot.
>>879573
>giving trolls (you)s
got worked f.am
>>879548
>undersized
HBK was around average size, also actually muscular
>prettyboy
HBK was especially this in 1992 during his earlier days
>kick finisher
I can somewhat agree here although a superkick blows a spinning wheel kick out of the fucking water
I can somewhat see why you'd compare Breeze to 1992 Michaels but Breeze will never reach a higher level than that
>>879561
Oh, this'll be good.
By all means, elaborate on your position.
>>879576
Name anyone who used it as a finisher in WWE before him. I'll wait.
>>879567
why do you act so high-and-mighty when you get btfo on here all the time
>>879568
I bet you $500 he doesn't even show up.
>>879571
>Breeze doesn't have any women screaming for him
Because he appeals to faggots and faggots only. Sure almost same could be said about HBK, but at least he also had women getting wet over him.
>>879574
>muh fit in meme
Did you learn that on reddit? I'm ready for you to start calling me a contrarian and tell me that I'm edgy or something
>>879580
lol wut? The knock on HBK for his entire career and then some was that he was smaller than average.
Eighteen Fucking Plus.
>also actually muscular
Steroids
>>879583
Nobody used it as a finisher, because it was too busy being a transitional spot for Yokozuna or Marty Jannetty
>>879588
>steroids
Proof?
>>879570
Made me kek hard.
I do remember people saying that.
>>879568
Was the entire acquisition news story a work or just the Styles one?
>>879584
lol WHO ARE YA?!
>>879570
How many flavor of the months have we had?
>>879590
Better to just not reply if your reply is gonna be that weak m8. Accept your btfo and move on.
>>879591
Michaels was roiding so hard he managed to get suspended for it in 1993
>>879587
Are you able to make a post that isn't completely made up of memes?
>>879597
> if I keep saying he's btfo maybe somebody will believe it
The state of >>(You)
>>879596
Flavor of the month? Ever since he cashed in on Del Rio nearly two years ago smarks were sucking Ziggler's cock for the longest time. Now not so much anymore.
>>879604
Ziggler was a smark darling as early as 2010 if not sooner
>>879605
Well that, but they were REALLY riding on his cock after that cash in. Like it was the greatest cash-in in WWE history, when it really wasn't.
>>879602
>as a finisher
learn to read. Also, by that point Shawn was already using it. Lel another fail try again.
>>879607
And it didn't amount to anything in the end.
>>879596
Lets see
>CM Punk
>Daniel Bryan
>Kevin Owens
>Adrian Neville
>Sami Zayn
>EC3
>Dolph Ziggler
>Cody Rhodes
>Tyson Kidd
>>879608
HBK didn't use the superkick as a finisher until after that show, he was still using the Teardrop Suplex at the time.
As I said: nobody used the superkick as a finish in WWE before him, because prior to that it was literally a tag team transitional spot.
18+.
>>879610
Literally all of those guys have been smark darlings for years
>>879613
I stopped watching wrestling for a few years because of The Miz and Cena shit
>>879611
>nobody used the superkick as a finish in WWE before him
So you admit you were wrong. That's good. Also, Breezes finisher isn't even a superkick so your comparison was wrong from the start anyway. Please have sex.
>>879614
i stopped watching when cm cuck go called up from ecw and then won the whc right away fuck that shit
>>879614
As for other promotions
>TNA
>2011
lel
>ROH
didn't care about it or know how to watch it regularly other than youtube which i could use to watch older wrestling instead anyway
>NJPW
not enough to get back into wrestling with, good for watching a match or two every so often
>>879617
I didn't know of what was to come and I expected him to be at Chris Jerichos level on the card AT BEST
I'm watching Smarkbooster shit from like 2014, almost everything they say end up happening. Like how it's gonna suck when the Shield break up.
>>879621
Can you fuck off back to 2old weirdo's thread please.
>>879627
I'm not with 2cold
>>879251
That is actually a great idea. The suspense would be so real. I guess the idea would be that both men are broken and neither knows if they can still go, so they let the ring decide for them.
>>879628
All you tripfags are the same
Post your 5 favorite dream matches, doesn't have to be in order
>1. The Undertaker vs Sting (3 Stages of Hell)
>2. The Rock vs Shawn Michaels (Ironman)
>3. Brock Lesnar vs Batista (Last Man Standing)
>4. DX vs nWo (6-man elimination tornado tag team match)
>5. Roman Reigns vs Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose (Street fight)
>>879380
Smarks just love gimmicks. I don't mind him myself, he's a decent lower card heel.
>In the latest Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Dave Meltzer notes there is no current plan for Daniel Bryan to make a surprise return at any point and he's still waiting to be medically cleared. So, don't expect him in the Royal Rumble, basically.
ryback multi billinaire wwe champ has own private jet
kevin obese owens dead after leaning on side of wwe tour bus as it went through a round a bout causing it to tip over
>>879634
>in the latest news, nothing's happening
Meltzer is a hack
>>879582
Not him but it set the bar too high. No other guys will be able to cut promos and deliver in the ring like Punk did.
In a way Wrestling wont ever be as good because we got the higuest ceiling in Punk.
Vince should say fuck you to haitch and get Punk back as soon as his UFC contract expires.
>>879234
Still better than ZZ.
>>879631
brock vs batista already happened
in ovw
>>879639
>Ohio Valley Wrestling
Both in training so it doesn't count
>>879637
>>879548
>under sized
Shawn is like 6'1, Breeze is like 5'9. Shawn also has like 15-20 lbs on Breeze.
>Reigns is winning the RR
>>879425
Pretty fucking new still, no way you are 18+
>>879646
the King of Kings rightfully so is winning the Royal Rumble
>>879646
HHH is winning, and setting up for him and Roman at Mania.
>>879648
you now realize the ruthless agreesion was literally over 10 years ago
what does mark mean
>>879646
kek look at this little cry baby wahh my friend of one day died ): ):
>>879607
OFFICIAL MONEY IN THE BANK CASH-INS POWER RANKINGS
1. Rob Van Dam on John Cena
2. Seth Rollins on Brock Lesnar
3. Dolph Ziggler on Alberto Del Rio
4. Edge on John Cena
5. Randy Orton on Daniel Bryan
6. Sheamus on Roman Reigns
7. Daniel Bryan on The Big Show
8. CM Punk on Jeff Hardy
9. Edge on The Undertaker
10. CM Punk on Edge
11. John Cena on CM Punk
12. Kane on Rey Mysterio
13. The Miz on Randy Orton
14. Alberto Del Rio on CM Punk
15. Jack Swagger on Chris Jericho
.
.
999. Damien Sandow on John Cena
>>879646
no, Sting is to make up for his fucking 2 losses
