Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - Shawn "The Heartbreak Kid" Michaels
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Hardcore - Mick Foley
Hardcore Hipster Special - "Sick" Nick Mondo
Pretty pointless really since all of these are hard and fast but feel free to offer alternates if you must.
Or agree if you're feeling amicable.
Look- Roman Reigns
>>836279
Mic - Scott Steiner
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zUJsNB7T43s
>>836291
>Look- Roman Reigns
Ha!
Since we're inventing categories (which isn't a bad idea) then let's open it up.
Look - Rick Rude
Submission specialist -
High flyer -
Tag team -
I'm leaving these three open for now. Personally, I'd go Road Warriors for tag team but I'll still leave it open.
>>836310
One shoot does not make a mic legend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2kPDrhFE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipU4-Gp7N94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkyID4yq1LI
Nobody touches Jake
Technical and storytelling should be put into one and it should be Shawn Michaels.
Draw is John Cena obviously.
Mic is Steve Austin.
>>836311
Submission Specialist: Chris Benoit.
Charisma - Kevin Nash
>>836396
>Technical and storytelling should be put into one and it should be Shawn Michaels.
Bret Hart knew more holds, had better timing and literally carried fuck-awful wrestlers through classic matches.
When it comes to *technical*, I ask myself who had better matches with Curt Hennig and peak Steve Austin. Bret wins hands down.
Michaels was also superb at pacing and he also had the spots.
The two have to be separated just as one would separate Foley and Mondo.
>Draw is John Cena obviously.
Which is why they had to bring in retirees like H, Undertaker and Michaels to sell his wrestlemanias. I didn't like Austin at the time but he unequivocally sold.
>Mic is Steve Austin
Austin shone in antics and vignettes but one on one with Mean Gene, Jake was beyond gifted. Jake looked through the camera and into the viewer's soul. No doubt, Austin was incredibly skilled but once he got hot, he was a rabble rouser at best and that "What? What? What? bollocks was utterly cringeworthy. Jake made viewers very aware that he was on a different level to them and they couldn't look away for a second.
You can have a go at filling these in though.
>Submission specialist -
>High flyer -
>Tag team -
>>836404
>Submission Specialist: Chris Benoit
It's a start I guess.
>>836396
>Draw is John Cena obviously
Is that why the PG era is the lowest rated era of WWF/WWE history
So far, we have
Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Mic (Comedy) - Edge
Submission specialist - Chris Benoit
High flyer - Hayabusa
Tag team - Road Warriors
Stable - Four Horsemen
Gimmick - Undertaker
Hardcore - Mick Foley
Hardcore Hipster Special - "Sick" Nick Mondo
Look - Rick Rude
Open:-
Manager - (suggestions - Jimmy Hart, Paul Heyman, Jim Cornette, Bobby Heenan)
Criminally never won a world title - (suggestions - Owen Hart, Mr Perfect, Razor Ramon)
Announcer - (suggestions - JR, Joey Styles)
>>836520
The original nWo before they started adding losers was better than four horse men
>>836520
>Mic (Comedy) - Edge
>>836531
That's a fair enough shout. They did literally change the sport for the better after all...
>>836536
Edge made me laugh more.
I have a better category for Rock though...
Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Mic (Comedy) - Edge
Submission specialist - Chris Benoit
High flyer - Hayabusa
Tag team - Road Warriors
Stable - nWo
Gimmick - Undertaker
Hardcore - Mick Foley
Hardcore Hipster Special - "Sick" Nick Mondo
Look - Rick Rude
Went to Hollywood and ended up being more famous for being an Actor than a wrestler. Literally the only big time wrestler to have ever done this - The Rock
Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) - Haku/Meng
Legit fighter (steroid free) - Dan Severn
Open:-
Manager - (suggestions - Jimmy Hart, Paul Heyman, Jim Cornette, Bobby Heenan)
Criminally never won a world title - (suggestions - Owen Hart, Mr Perfect, Razor Ramon)
Announcer - (suggestions - JR, Joey Styles)
Legit fighter (other) - (suggestions - Brock Lesnar, Ken Shamrock)
>Not putting Rock as the best talker in the history of the WWE
Cmon now, the man could control thousands of people in the arena with ease. Hollywood Rock had people eating right out of the palm of his hand, greatest to ever hold a microphone
>>836553
OK. How about this.
Mic (Vignette) - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Mic (In ring) - The Rock
Jake operated in an era where the in ring thing wasn't a staple. That way, they are not tested against each other.
If you agree then cool. If not then back to Jake because he was the master of psychology. I'm being very generous here I'll have you know.
>>836558
Actually, no.
Draw - Austin
Mic - Roberts
Hollywood - Rock
It's the fairest and most objective way I can split it.
Roberts killed the crowd and was more over than Hogan at his peak which is saying a lot.
>Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart
>>836545
Change Bret for Malenko, then it's good
>>836279
Nice list but i would say Bret was a better story teller than Shawn
Shawn's selling detracted from the match at hand and made you remember that you were watching fake fighting, this never ever happened with Bret. suspension of belief goes a long way with story telling in the ring imo. Plus Bret matches came up with better finishes which added to the story
>>836617
> malenklol over bret
Edgy
>>836545
> Went to Hollywood and ended up being more famous for being an Actor than a wrestler. Literally the only big time wrestler to have ever done this
Who is Jesse Ventura
> criminally never won a world title
Add Ted DiBiase to the list
> best manager
As based as Heyman is he will be best known as the owner of ECW. Id give it to Heenan
> legit fighter
Steve Blackman would have banged out Dan Severn any day of the week
>>836617
I want to. Believe me, I want to. Malenko v Perfect would have been jizz inspiring. But Malenko would never, EVER have been able to make Bulldog look good.
>Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart (Malenko cruiserweight)
>Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
>Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
>Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
>Mic (Comedy) - Edge
>Submission specialist - Chris Benoit
>High flyer - Hayabusa
>Tag team - Road Warriors
>Stable - nWo
>Gimmick - Undertaker
>Hardcore - Mick Foley
>Hardcore Hipster Special - "Sick" Nick Mondo
>Look - Rick Rude
>Went to Hollywood and ended up being more famous for being an Actor than a wrestler. Literally the only big time wrestler to have ever done this - The Rock
>Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) - Haku/Meng
>Legit fighter (steroid free) - Dan Severn
>Open:-
>Manager - (suggestions - Jimmy Hart, Paul Heyman, Jim Cornette, Bobby Heenan)
>Criminally never won a world title - (suggestions - Owen Hart, Mr Perfect, Razor Ramon)
>Announcer - (suggestions - JR, Joey Styles)
>Legit fighter (other) - (suggestions - Brock Lesnar, Ken Shamrock)
>>836628
50% of me is fully behind you. But the other 50% is thinking WM X, Ric Flair. Badd Blood...
As I alluded to the other guy, I cannot justify putting them in the same box nor can I exclude either of them.
Love and/or hate Bret and/or Shawn, they're the best that wrestling has ever seen.
In ring ability - Sid Eudy
>>836632
>Who is Jesse Ventura
Some state governor literally unknown to those outside of the US who don't listen to Alex Jones (Nobody listens to Alex Jones but many people watch that car robbing/racing flick).
>Add Ted DiBiase to the list
Not as good in ring as Owen or Perfect but entitled to be alongside Razor.
> best manager
As based as Heyman is he will be best known as the owner of ECW. Id give it to Heenan
Heenan was BASED, but Heyman was at least his par in WWE, let alone WWF or WCW
Can see this going to a strawpoll
>Steve Blackman would have banged out Dan Severn any day of the week
You're funny. You have a good sense of humour.
Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart (Cruiserweight - Malenko)
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Mic (Comedy) - Edge
Submission specialist - Chris Benoit
High flyer - Hayabusa
Tag team - Road Warriors
Stable - nWo
Gimmick - Undertaker
Hardcore - Mick Foley
Hardcore Hipster Special - "Sick" Nick Mondo
Look - Rick Rude
Went to Hollywood and ended up being more famous for being an Actor than a wrestler. Literally the only big time wrestler to have ever done this - The Rock
Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) - Haku/Meng
Legit fighter (steroid free) - Dan Severn
Open:-
Manager - (suggestions - Jimmy Hart, Paul Heyman, Jim Cornette, Bobby Heenan)
Criminally never won a world title - (suggestions - Owen Hart, Mr Perfect, Razor Ramon, Ted DiBiase)
Announcer - (suggestions - JR, Joey Styles)
Legit fighter (other) - (suggestions - Brock Lesnar, Ken Shamrock)
>>836635
In ring ability - Sid Eudy
Sides are split.
He would be in with a shout for best entrance theme though...
Entrance theme - Sycho Sid
>>836644
>Entrance theme - Sycho Sid
>Not Razor Ramon's theme
To be fair, Jim Johnston was a brilliant producer.
Surely it should just be
Entrance composer - Jim Johnston (and Jimmy Hart for Sexy Boy)
Presenter: Renee Young
Announcer: Paul Heyman
>>836318
> he doesn't think the genetic freak is a promo legend
Haha, shit taste.
i'd give em all up to spend 6 minutes in goat tower
>>836831
i heard deaneitty is fucking her. yum
capcha wheelchairs? damn
These are as good as locked.
Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart (Cruiserweight - Malenko)
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Mic (Comedy) - Edge
Submission specialist - Chris Benoit
High flyer - Hayabusa
Tag team - Road Warriors
Stable - nWo
Gimmick - Undertaker
Hardcore - Mick Foley
Hardcore Hipster Special - "Sick" Nick Mondo
Look - Rick Rude
Went to Hollywood and ended up being more famous for being an Actor than a wrestler. Literally the only big time wrestler to have ever done this - The Rock
Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) - Haku/Meng
Legit fighter (steroid free) - Dan Severn
>>836781
>Entrance composer - Jim Johnston (and Jimmy Hart for Sexy Boy)
Bit of a cop out really.
Have to put Razor Ramon for best entrance theme for now. Am open for suggestion though.
>>836831
>Presenter: Renee Young
>Announcer: Paul Heyman
Who gives a fuck?
>>836873
>i'd give em all up to spend 6 minutes in goat tower
Goat tower is greater than anything we could perceive as heaven on earth. I would give up 2 (two) testicles to spend 2 (two) minutes in there.
The following opens are closed;--
Criminally never won a world title - Owen Hart
Announcer - JR,
Legit fighter (other) - Brock Lesnar
The GOAT manager is up for grabs
http://strawpoll.me/6307870
***New category***
Slag - (suggestions Miss Elizabeth, Sensational Sherri, Sable, Sunny, Beulah)
Where the fuck are Kobashi and/or Misawa?
>>836884
Lol razor ramon's theme isnt even top 10 of his era let alone the best of all time. you smoking crack brah?
>>836311
High Flyer - Kalisto.
nothing compares to dat TLC spot
>>837441
Better than Mysterio?
Also, what about Savage and Hogan?
New category:
Best Big Guy (6'10"+)
>>837545
Taker
>>836576
>Jake Roberts was more over than Hogan at his peak
Roberts was a great wrestler but there's no fucking way that is true.
>>837545
Nash
>>837441
I love Kalisto but that spot wasn't even close to the biggest spot of this year
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjCeyQnmpuo
>>837575
The entire reason they never feuded is because whenever it was tested on house shows Jake got cheered for hitting the DDT on Hogan
>>836279
Ring Ability (Technical) - Kurt Angle/Eddie Guerrero
Ring Ability (Power) - Batista
Ring Ability (Brawl) - Undertaker
RIng Ability (High Fly) - RVD
Mic (Serious) - Cena/Piper
Mic (Manager) - Paul Heyman
Mic (Comedy) - New Day
Putting People Over - Daniel Bryan
Hardcore - Foley
Looks - HBK
Pure Bayface - Cena
Badass Bayface - Steve Austin
Heel - Triple H
Lovable Heel - Kevin Owens
Outrageous - Undertaker
Aounce - Corey Graves/Jim Ross
Storytelling - Jericho/HBK
Joke Character - Santino
Tag - Shield
Faction - DX
HIpster - Daniel Bryan
In ring Diva - Trish Stratus
Eye Candy Diva - Sable
Asshole - Hogan
Internet - Zack Ryder
No World TItle - Goldust
Botch - Goldberg
Strong Style - Shinsuke Nakamura
Shoot - Inoki
Shoot (Interview) - CM Punk
Not in WWE - AJ Styles
Jobber - Brooklyn Brawler
Gimmick - Undertaker
Family - Hart
>>837948
18+
>>837948
The list is locked already
+18 go back to school
Most autistic thread I've seen since we moved here, congrats guys.
>>838034
Nothing autistic about it at all 2bh
you not seen Steve's threads?
>>836279
FIXED VERSION:
Ring Ability (Technical) - Lou Thesz and it's not even close
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - Bret Hart or Ric Flair
Draw - Hulk Hogan drew 34 MILLION viewers on American TV in 1988. Rikidozan drew 50-70 MILLION on various occasions in Japan alone in the 50s and 60s. Austin wasn't in the same ballpark.
Mic - The Rock or Superstar Billy Graham
Hardcore - Terry Funk
Hardcore Hipster Special - this is a retarded category
>>836291
Look - Andre the Giant, come on how could there be any question?
>>836311
Submission specialist - Chris Benoit and I'm not trying to be edgy either, he actually was that great
High flyer - If we're sticking to American wrestling then Eddie Guerro [sp?], if we include foreigner industries then it's probably Liger
Tag team - The Road Warriors
>>836409
Charisma - Stone Cold Steve Austin
>>836520
If you split up mic like that then it's:
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Superstar Billy Graham
Mic (Comedy) - The Rock BY FAR
Stable - Four Horsemen
Gimmick - Hulk Hogan
Manager - Bobby Heenan, why is this even debatable?
Criminally never won a world title - Ted DiBiase
Announcer - Gorilla Monsoon or JR, seriously no one else even comes close to those two
>>836545
Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) - Haku/Meng
Legit fighter (steroid free) - Lesnar (I know he's on the juice, but he still had the best legit skills ever)
>>836644
Entrance theme - The Ultimate Warrior
>>836831
Presenter: Vince McMahon, seriously watch his old PPV introductions in the 80s/90s
>>837037
They were kinda jack-of-all-trades.
>>837545
Best Big Guy (6'10"+) - Undertaker
NEW CATEGORIES:
Color Commentary - Bobby Heenan
Valet - Miss Elizabeth
Referee - ?
>>838126
> lou thesz
How many lou thesz matches have you watched brah?
>>838150
Probably everything currently available publically.
>>838126
>Lou Thesz
Bret Hart*
>>838175
How many matches is that
>>838192
I don't even know. At some point I just got to where I couldn't find a single DVD, VHS, or online clip that I *hadn't* seen.
If I had to guess? Few dozen.
Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart (Cruiserweight - Malenko)
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Mic (Comedy) - Edge
Submission specialist - Chris Benoit
High flyer - Hayabusa
Tag team - Road Warriors
Stable - nWo
Gimmick - Undertaker
Hardcore - Mick Foley
Hardcore Hipster Special - "Sick" Nick Mondo
Look - Rick Rude
Went to Hollywood and ended up being more famous for being an Actor than a wrestler. Literally the only big time wrestler to have ever done this - The Rock
Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) - Haku/Meng
Legit fighter (steroid free) - Dan Severn
Criminally never won a world title - Owen Hart
Announcer - JR
Legit fighter (other) - Brock Lesnar
Manager - Bobby Heenan
Slag - Miss Elizabeth
Categories added since my sobering up that I'm happy to accept;-
GOAT fatty - (Original suggestion - Bam Bam Bigelow, could be amended to Vader)
GOAT european- Dynamite Kid That flies
Ring Ability (Power) - (Original suggestion - Batista, soon to be amended to Brock)
Ring Ability (Brawl) - (Original suggestion - Undertaker, Foley was a better brawler)
Putting People Over - Daniel Bryan (Keep original selection, though honourable mention to Rock for putting Brock over)
Heel - (Original suggestion - Triple H (lol no - Dudley Boyz in ECW though it could be that Mexican guy from before we were born who used to get threatened in the streets)
Asshole - (OS Hogan, Vince Russo for me)
Botch - (OS Goldberg. Should be Mabel but depends on definition of botch. Sabu made plenty)
Strong Style - Shinsuke Nakamura (this can stand but mention for Samoa Joe)
Shoot (Interview) - (OS CM Punk - was a work. Jim Cornette has the best shoots)
Not in WWE - AJ Styles (yes)
Jobber - (OS Brooklyn Brawler - respect to the man but Gillberg)
Best Big Guy (6'10"+) - Undertaker (a gimme)
Color Commentary - (OS Bobby Heenan - eh... Jerry Lawler was brilliant in the 90s)
>>843160
Categories dismissed;-
GOAT nigger- Booker T (It should be Ron Simmons if anything)
GOAT gook- Yokozuna (If there was GOAT obese then he would have beat Mabel)
GOAT cruiserweight- Dynamite Kid (too many cruiserweights are making the legit GOAT list)
Pure Bayface - Cena (Cancer)
Badass Bayface - Steve Austin (Just keep it to draw)
Valet - Miss Elizabeth (There's already a slag category)
Referee - ? (who gives a fuck?)
>>836279
This is such a fucking vanilla list.
HBK is over-rated as FUCK. He's not even a Top 5 Worker. Bret, Benoit, Angle, Eddie, fucking DBry if you want to get current.
>Technician: Benoit
>Storytelling: Bret, DBry or Eddie
>Draw: SCSA
>Mic: SCSA
>Hardcore: Terry Funk you faggot
>>843179
>>843160
Is the list.
>Technician: Benoit
Bret - Benoit is submission
>Storytelling: Bret, DBry or Eddie
HBK - As mentioned, WMX, Badd Blood, Rick Flair
>Draw: SCSA
Yes
>Mic: SCSA
Jake - Not even a contest.
>Hardcore: Terry Funk you faggot
It was Mick, you dick. Just because you're hardcore as a pensioner, doesn't mean you're more hardcore than someone who's just a bit more hardcore than you but twenty years younger.
AMENDMENT
High flyer - Hayabusa
should be
High flyer - Jushin Liger
Forgot to add
European - Dynamite
Theme song - ???
>>843206
>Bret - Benoit is submission
It's Benoit. Not even a debate, he's hands-down the greatest technician ever and arguably the best pro wrestler ever.
>HBK - As mentioned, WMX, Badd Blood, Rick Flair
HBK was less of a story-teller and more of an overt, flashy showman. Granted that told a story but Bret's old-school style, DBry's versatility and Eddie's raw charisma told a much more engaging one.
>Jake - Not even a contest.
SCSA may have been a less eloquent speaker but he had THE best mixture of charisma and crowd-working. He understood precisely how to captivate, ebb and flow with them better than ANYONE and getting the crowd's rocking is the entire point.
>It was Mick, you dick. Just because you're hardcore as a pensioner, doesn't mean you're more hardcore than someone who's just a bit more hardcore than you but twenty years younger.
Mick may have been more hardcore but Terry Funk had a much, much greater impact on that sub-culture of wrestling.
>>843225
Sorry, was at shop.
>It's Benoit. Not even a debate, he's hands-down the greatest technician ever and arguably the best pro wrestler ever.
The way I see it, Benoit was brilliant with other brilliant wrestlers. Bret made brilliant matches from less gifted opponents. The initial case in point is that SCSA's two best matches were Survivor Series 96 and WM 13. The deciding case in point is that he miraculously managed to extract a legitimate classic match out of a bloated and gassed Bulldog.
He saw the man standing against him and knew EXACTLY what to do to get the best out of him regardless of how it made him look. Bret is locked into Technician.
>HBK was less of a story-teller and more of an overt, flashy showman. Granted that told a story but Bret's old-school style, DBry's versatility and Eddie's raw charisma told a much more engaging one.
This is highly subjective and those you mention have equally legitimate shouts to this title. Personally, I like showmanship and NOBODY was better than HBK.
>(SCSA) had THE best mixture of charisma and crowd-working
SCSA was a rabble rouser with catch-phrases. His act got very boring very quickly with a lot of the "patricians" of the time. Jake always brought something new to every promo and it always had the attention of the audience.
>Mick may have been more hardcore but Terry Funk had a much, much greater impact on that sub-culture of wrestling.
If we're talking sub-culture rather than pleb then it's Nick Mondo.
Latest list.
Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart (Cruiserweight - Benoit/Jericho/Malenko)
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
Ring Ability (Power) - Brock Lesnar
Ring Ability (Brawl) - Mick Foley
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Mic (Comedy) - Edge
Submission specialist - Chris Benoit
High flyer - Jushin Liger
Tag team - Road Warriors
Stable - nWo
Gimmick - Undertaker
Hardcore - Mick Foley
Hardcore Hipster Special - "Sick" Nick Mondo
Look - Rick Rude
Went to Hollywood and ended up being more famous for being an Actor than a wrestler. Literally the only big time wrestler to have ever done this - The Rock
Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) - Haku/Meng
Legit fighter (steroid free) - Dan Severn
Criminally never won a world title - Owen Hart
Announcer - JR
Legit fighter (other) - Brock Lesnar
Manager - Bobby Heenan
Slag - Miss Elizabeth
Fatty - Vader
European- Dynamite Kid
Putting People Over - Daniel Bryan
Heel - Dudley Boyz in ECW (though it could be that Mexican guy from before we were born who used to get threatened in the streets)
Asshole - Vince Russo
Botch - Goldberg / Mabel / Sabu
Strong Style - Shinsuke Nakamura / Samoa Joe
Shoot (Interview) - Jim Cornette
Not in WWE - AJ Styles
Jobber - Brooklyn Brawler / Gillberg
Best Big Guy (6'10"+) - Undertaker
Color Commentary - Jerry Lawler
This thread is gay
>>843603
You're gay
You fuckers, the best heel was Ric Flair in the 80's.
>>843583
>Slag - Miss Elizabeth
Different eras. Needs to be split in two
>Slag (old school) - Miss Elizabeth
>Slag (modern) - Trish
>>843583
>JeriGOAT
Nice, I forgot him for a moment. Best wrestler
>>843961
***NEW CATEGORY"""
GOAT Pop - Jericho WWF debut (millennium countdown)
>>843963
Not even close.
It's either Hogan slamming Andre or the finale of Bret vs. Davey Boy at SummerSlam 1992.
>>843963
>>844285
....the CORRECT answer is "Austin coming out to help Mankind win the WWF title"
We would have also accepted "Linda McMahon announcing that Austin would be at Backlash"
op is a jake-mark faggot, there were many that were better than him on the mic as has been pointed out multiple times but he just handwaves the arguments
>>843636
> Ric Flair
Nice meme bro. 18+
>>844307
Dunno 2bh, his content was second to none. I begrudgingly agree that the rest of them were meme spouting faggots compared to Jake
GOAT in ring cunt - New Jack
GOAT potato - Bob Holly/JBL
>>845139
>GOAT potato - Bob Holly/JBL
>implying
Ring announcer - Scott Steiner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YVNP1G0KSA
>>845139
> GOAT potato
> not Becketty ' today i learned how to clap' Lynch
>>845177
Evidence pls
Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart (Cruiserweight - Benoit/Jericho/Malenko)
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
Ring Ability (Power) - Brock Lesnar
Ring Ability (Brawl) - Mick Foley
Ring Ability (High flyer) - Jushin Liger
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Mic (Comedy) - Edge
Submission specialist - Chris Benoit
Tag team - Road Warriors
Stable - nWo
Gimmick - Undertaker
Hardcore - Mick Foley
Hardcore Hipster Special - "Sick" Nick Mondo
Look - Rick Rude
Went to Hollywood and ended up being more famous for being an Actor than a wrestler. Literally the only big time wrestler to have ever done this - The Rock
Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) - Haku/Meng
Legit fighter (steroid free) - Dan Severn
Legit fighter (other) - Brock Lesnar
Criminally never won a world title - Owen Hart
Announcer - JR
Manager - Bobby Heenan
Slag (old school) - Miss Elizabeth
Slag (modern) - Trish Stratus
Fatty - Vader
European- Dynamite Kid
Putting People Over - Daniel Bryan
Heel - Dudley Boyz in ECW (though it could be that Mexican guy from before we were born who used to get threatened in the streets)
Asshole - Vince Russo
Botch - Goldberg / Mabel / Sabu
Strong Style - Shinsuke Nakamura / Samoa Joe
Shoot (Interview) - Jim Cornette
Not in WWE - AJ Styles
Jobber - Brooklyn Brawler / Gillberg
Best Big Guy (6'10"+) - Undertaker
Color Commentary - Jerry Lawler
GOAT Pop - Chris Jericho (millenium countdown)
GOAT in ring cunt - New Jack
GOAT potato - Bob Holly/JBL
>>847141
I'd switch look to ultimate warrior as rude looked a bit homo, and old school slag to sensational sherri as she was definitely more slag than elizabeth
>>847154
Warrior needed pomp, facepaint and ribbons to give his look the requisite "oomph". Rude needed little more than nudity and a moustache.
As for Sherri, she was tops. But as I explained to an IRL friend, the term "slag" is one used liberally to describe all pro wrestling entertainers of the female variety regardless of sluttiness... perceived or otherwise. After all, the sport has traditionally been the preserve of children and bitter adult males.
>>847157
I appreciate your input btw and I'm not dismissing your suggestions without thought.
Sherri had more charisma in one tit than Elizabeth had in her entire body. But Liz was in the right place with the right storylines and she sold her place as well as any slag could which is why she keeps her spot IMO.
>>847154
> Rude is still working closeted marks over 2 decades since his retirement
Still the absolute GOAT heel
>>847162
Should I split heel into >individual and >team?
>>838126
Hulk Hogan was absolute trash who lied about the viewers he drew; theres no proof that he drew 34 million and its widely contested. Even accepting it as true its still just once. Austin drew 6+ million consistently, hogan never did : ^ )
>>847244
Thank you for explaining why I (OP) handwaved that suggestion.
Since you seem to know your way around the supersmarket, are there any amendments to the latest list you'd like to suggest?
I will consider them fairly and am not afraid to alter if needs be.
Alternatively, you could propose an additional category.
Or you could do both...
>>847253
Dankeshen
I propose a new category: most well rounded
My inaugural suggestion is our Olympic hero, Kurt Angle
>>847257
The only answer is clearly John Cena.
>>847261
Sir I did not say the one with all stats maxed
>>847257
Bitte schön
Believe me, I want to create a category for Kurt Angle but the ones you suggest suppose that he would have lasted more than a round against Severn. Crossover is way too ambiguous so the remaining category is
Olympian.
Kurt is much more than an olympian to you and I but I'm sure that we'd recognise his superiors if we tried any other convoluted category. As such;-
Olympian - Kurt Angle*
But he gets a star/asterisk
>>847261
Literally dismissed your suggestion before I even looked at the category. This thread isn't for you.
Fuck off.
>>836279
>Ring Ability (Technical)
Toss up between Angle and Benoit. I would lean towards Angle though.
>Ring Ability (Storytelling)
What do you mean here? Do you mean good ring psychology? I'm pretty sure that is what you meant. I think Haitch is pretty underrated here. Lately Undertaker seems to be damn good at it. Maybe he's just old though? This is a tough one desu. Cena is amongst the worst in this category.
>Draw
Hulk Hogan, most wrestlers would even agree. He's the biggest name in wrestling period.
>Mic
The Rock
>Hardcore
The Dudley Boyz (counting their ECW run)
>Hardcore Hipster Special
Daniel Bryan (his wrestling style is like crash and burn). Which is why he's been getting so injured lately (supposedly).
Reposting from the general
> Razor Ramon front runner for best entrance
Lolwhat, thats random as fuck
Ultimate Warrior
Jericho Y2J
Triple H My Time
Off the top of my head all have far better all around entrances. if you are talking about music only then Ramon doesnt even scrape it
>>847386
>>Ring Ability (Technical)
>Toss up between Angle and Benoit. I would lean towards Angle though.
This. Their generation took it to another level past what Bret did. Technical wrestling so amazingly fluid and captivating it looks like a shoot.
>>847386
>>Ring Ability (Storytelling)
>What do you mean here? Do you mean good ring psychology? I'm pretty sure that is what you meant. I think Haitch is pretty underrated here. Lately Undertaker seems to be damn good at it. Maybe he's just old though? This is a tough one desu. Cena is amongst the worst in this category.
It basically means "best in the ring". Technical wrestling is just one aspect, but being a great worker means putting on amazing entertaining matches, captivating a crowd and taking them through the highs and lows and being able to do it every damn night.
HHH was never more than a B+ at this shit. Very solid but doesn't deserve to be in the same breath as guys like HBK, Taker, Bryan etc.
>>847404
18+
Kurt was nowhere near Benoit or Bret's level in the ring, he did a lot of actions for no reason and his ring psychology wasnt top notch
Bret and Benoit were more fluid and every single movement was for a reason.
Also Angle and Benoit's chained repeating suplexes exposed the business hard, something Bret never did
Could Angle or Benoit have 5 star matches with Kevin Nash or X Pac, or a legit good match against a non wrestler like Will Sasso? I dont think so
Bret wins hands down
Ring Ability (Technical) - Kurt Angle
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
Ring Ability (Power) - Brock Lesnar
Ring Ability (Brawl) - Mick Foley
Ring Ability (High flyer) - Jushin Liger
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Paul Heyman
Mic (Comedy) - Edge
Submission specialist - Chris Benoit
Tag team - Road Warriors
Stable - nWo
Gimmick - Undertaker
Hardcore - Sabu
Hardcore Hipster Special - Necro Butcher
Look - Sid Vicious
Went to Hollywood and ended up being more famous for being an Actor than a wrestler. Literally the only big time wrestler to have ever done this - Bootista
Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) -
Haku/Meng
Legit fighter (steroid free) - Dan Severn/Ken Shamrock
Legit fighter (other) - Brock Lesnar
Criminally never won a world title - Roddy Piper
Announcer - JR
Manager - Paul Heyman
Slag (old school) - Sunny
Slag (modern) - Stacy Keibler
Fatty - Yokozuna
European - Steven Regal
Putting People Over - Steven Regal
Heel - Vince McMahon, holy shit GOAT
Asshole - Vince Russo
Botch - Sabu
Strong Style - ROH Samoa Joe
Shoot (Interview) - New Jack
Not in WWE - Okada
Jobber - Gillberg
Best Big Guy (6'10"+) - Paul Wight
Color Commentary - Paul Heyman
GOAT Pop - First Foley title win on RAW
>>847457
> Steven Regal
>>847457
Switch Submission Specialist from Chris Benoit to Ken Shamrock. Shamrock was the scariest fuck in the Attitude era before he stopped caring. When he locked an ankle lock on, he was terrifying. I think he was the first true submission specialist in wrestling too.
>>847460
>I think he was the first true submission specialist in wrestling too.
...in 1997? Seriously?
>>847465
Who else made people tap out before him? Tapping out was an MMA thing which came with that generation with Shamrock/Severn being at the top of that class. There were shitty verbal submissions before Shamrock. But Shamrock took it to another level appearing to rip peoples ankles off their legs while having a psychotic freakout.
>>847468
Taz brought tapouts to wrestling over a year before Shamrock
>>847469
>outlaw wrestling
>>847472
>/wwe/fagging
18+
I bet you think WWE invented Ladder Matches too
>>847178
Gangrel/The Brood's entrance kicks the absolute shit out of Razors entrance, not even a contest
taker and kane too
>>847473
Outlaw faggot just go
Everyone knows Bret Hart invented the ladder match in Stampede as well as was in the first ever WWE ladder match. That as well as being the innovater of the first ever table spot. Based bret
>>847485
> first-ever table spot
> November 1995
Shut up Bretcuck
>>847501
Post an earlier one then friend
>>847270
I have to disagree; most well rounded doesnt imply that hes the best in every stat, so its natural for him to be beaten in individual stats and hence lose a fight to Mr. Severn. However, in regards to distribution of ability, I still contend that angle was the best. Sure he might not have been the BEST on the mic but he was definitely great. Same logic applies to almost every category on this list, and I would even go so far as to say hes top 10 in most categories. This combination of factors, in my opinion, puts angle in a strong spot for most well rounded. If you or anyone disagrees, might I hear your suggestion?
>>847501
>>847537
> he cannot post one
Bretchad wins again
Ring Ability (Technical) - Bret Hart
Ring Ability (Storytelling) - "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
Ring Ability (Power) - Brock Lesnar
Ring Ability (Brawl) - Mick Foley
Ring Ability (High Flyer) - Jeff Hardy
Draw - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin
Mic (Charisma/Serious) - Paul Heyman
Mic (Comedy) - The Rock
Submission Specialist - Chris Benoit
Tag Team - Road Warriors
Stable - nWo
Gimmick - Undertaker
Hardcore - Mick Foley
Hardcore Hipster Special - Jun Kasai
Look - Goldberg
Legit bad motherfucker (without weapons) - Meng/Haku
Legit Fighter (steroid free) - Ken Shamrock
Legit Fighter (other) - Brock Lesnar *side note i'd like to see Meng vs Brock Lesnar when both are in there prime
Criminally never won a world title - Roddy Piper
Announcer - Joey Styles
Manager - Paul Heyman
Slag (old school) - Sunny
Slag (modern) - Stacy Keibler
Fatty - Yokozuna
European - Steven Regal
Putting People Over - Steven Regal
Heel - Vince McMahon
Asshole - Vince Russo
Botch - Sabu
Strong Style - Shinsuke Nakamura
Shoot (Interview) - New Jack
Not in WWE - AJ Styles
Jobber - Gillberg
Best Big Guy (6"10"+) - Paul Wight
Color Commentary - CM Punk
GOAT Pop - First Foley title win on RAW
>>847537
Macho man Savage pile drove a guy through a table and Terry Funk pile drivered Rick flaire through a table. Both happened in the 80s
>>847667
He say she say
Post it or shut up pham
>>847662
> im too grown up and mature for your piffley 'childrens wrestling'
>>847671
>being over the age of 12 is 'fedora' according to /wwe/
The fucking state of this dead community
Are entrances and themes the same category or separate?
>>847691
> only under 12s dont like my outlaw wrestling
