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Since martial arts (BJJ in particular) claim that their strengths are fighting against larger opponents, why does MMA have weight classes?
Surely since martial arts all talk of nullifying the size difference with their techniques having weight classes is not needed and a tiny 5'6" 120lb manlet could knock out or tap a 6'3" 220lb beast?
Because MMA is a sport
>>733500
>all these martial arts are claiming that the skill will allow you to defeat a bigger opponent
>yeah well what if the bigger opponent is equally as skilled?
>hurr
>durr
Its an equalizer, not a trump card.
>>733500
>tiny 5'6" 120lb manlet v. 6'3" 220lb beast
>tfw this exactly describes me and my primary sparring partner.
>tfw he is almost my equal in skill and speed despite being twice my size.
>tfw this is nothing like my chinese cartoons
>shits tough
>>733500
martial arts claim that assuming the opponent doesnt have any training...
when they both have training, size matters a lot family nigger.
>>733500
Idk man
If I had to choose between being strong and being able to hit somebody once and send them flying
and being able to really see punches and slip/evade/negate them and then hit somebody in the nose really hard and then hit them in the chin
I would pick the second one
Seems more useful to me from a standpoint of tactics.
Strength is definitely good, but being able to avoid contact entirely and attack physiological weak points seems like a better move, but that's just my opinion
>>733599
Yeah, but that second thing isn't actually an option. In real fights you get hit. Quantity has a quality all its own in fighting.
>>733500
Skill can certainly eliminate, or equalize, size and strength advantages, however, when skill is equal, the advantage goes to size and strength.
Today, the skill level in the UFC is fairly streamlined, so offering weight classes makes for more competitive fights.
>>733582
>nothing like chinese cartoons
Life is a bitch: the post.
>>733704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL-NP-wgj3U
Being super strong really helped the guy in black, so did outweighing him by almost 70 pounds.
>>735477
Yep. That sure is the norm and not a cherry-picked fluke.
>>735515
>>735515
>fluke
>Pro boxer (ie pure skill) fighting body builder (no fighting training, relying purely on strength)
Yeah, ok pal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRDCWQ9_EA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj3pTEx_3Zo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yawdeILXgW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_xCLa6AHeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pruxo4x5Mu0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSX0PCQXiO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23LR6pWEpKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx366XXz0uc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkenYHDfpOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wfcQVxV5Cw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtwGH7mi0K8
Unless you have a severe, SEVERE difference in size and strength, skill is a great equalizer that at least gives the smaller guy a fighting chance..
>>733500
you don't see men a women fighting agianst each other in a match for a reason op
>>733500
>Since martial arts (BJJ in particular) claim that their strengths are fighting against larger opponents
No art, but even bullshido arts, claim this
Some claim to help a small person defeat a larger person, but none guarantee victory.
>>735654
Nailed it
>>733500
Because competitions assume that the fighters are roughly equally trained. If you hear that the physical differences can be nullified in all cases you can know that it's a load of bullshit. The point of MA is that with a shit load of training, a smaller person could defeat a bigger one with less training.
>>733500
Because superior technique can only get you so far.
I am fairly tall and heavy and did JJ for quite a while - whenever I fought against the women in our club it was an almost assured victory, even if they were far better at JJ than me. Simply because they lacked the strength and weight to do much. Your technique can be as perfect as you want, if your opponent is strong enough to basically just pick you off the ground without bothering you'll lose. At least in a fight with rules, where you are not allowed to go for the throat or eyes.
>>735945
JJ is a fucking joke. No wonder your fat ass could do well there.
>>735654
I believe the subject of the thread was weight classes, in which case similar skill is assumed.
>>735978
I'm aware of that. I was responding to
>Yeah, but that second thing isn't actually an option. In real fights you get hit. Quantity has a quality all its own in fighting.
>>735654
Don't forget genki sudo v butterbean
>>733704
>Yeah, but that second thing isn't actually an option
You're fucking retarded.
Have you never seen somebody slip a punch?
Regardless of what you say, NOBODY is strong enough to punch somebody once in the chest or face and do enough damange that the person is dead. It comes from knock out if that happens, and knockout has VERY LITTLE to do with strength of the blow.
>>736791
According to stallone, dolph ludgren almost did it to him on the set of rocky iv.
>>736791
>enough to stop heart
>more powerful than a police shotgun firing dense rubber bullets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMs8SLMLog4
>>736902
I was being hyperbolic
Nobody is gonna hit you once hard enough that it causes enough trauma that you can't move based on damage.
That person is fucking superman
The only way that you immobilize somebody like that is by knockout
Also I'd like to see the opening that allows you to perform that full-body involved hammerfist completely with hip rotation
>>736902
Yeah except that show is retarded and you can tell that candy ass isn't hitting the dummy very hard. If that could kill someone without some underlying condition people would be fucking dying from minor accidents all the time.
>>736791
Ah. I now see the problem. You think I was saying Option 1 IS possible, because I said Option 2 ISN'T possible. In that case, let me be clear: Neither option is on the menu for anybody.
But regarding Option 2: Sure, you can slip punches. What you can't do is be untouchable indefinitely. You're going to get hit in a fight, and you'd better be able to take it.
If you imagine your "style" as being somewhere on a continuum where Option 1, being the Juggernaut and able to take anything and crush people with one blow, is zero, and Option 2, being the Flash and able to dodge anything, is 10, and say 5 is being able to take exactly as much as you dish out, then you need to come to terms with the fact that in the real world nobody can be better than about a 3 or 7.
...I feel like a dork typing that, but not enough to edit or rewrite it.
I always thought of a size advantage over an opponent was a kind of faux skill. Like a 120 lbs 5'4 boxer with 12 years of experience going toe to toe with a 210 lbs boxer with 2 years experience. The bigger guy has a better chance but only because he's bigger.
>>737043
Who the fuck is talking about being untouchable indefinitely?
This is clearly impossible, ever second you are in any sort of combat encounter, your chance of being injured increases exponentially. Its a statistical fact that has few exception, and one of the only predictable aspects of a combat situation.
The person I'm talking about wouldn't slip three punches in a row and continue to slip punches, they would counterpunch. You don't fucking only slip and attack, you slip and attack simultaneously creating your own openings.
If a person that was a 0 squared up with a 10 and threw a punch, and the 10 slipped the punch and at the exact same time hit the 0 in the nose really hard
While the 0's eyes were still tearing up, the 10 would hit him once more directly on the chin
Do you think that once the zero has recovered he will be able to make his attacks with as much efficiency as his first blow? I mean, hitting somebody directly on the point of the chin even with a jab can give somebody serious brain damage, and at the least, very easily heavily disorient a person.
If a 3 squares up with a 7 this is possible. Its just that the 7 would have to have been training for at least 5 or 6 years for at least 14 hours a week
>>737474
Kenpo-like typing detected.
Combo juggling is video game shit.
>>737485
>Combo juggling is video game shit
Nobody has ever successfully landed a cross and then a hook in succession
>nobody has every successfully punched and then kicked in succession
>nobody has ever landed a strike and then successfully grappled into a take-down
You are fucking stupid
Also I don't practice kenpo,what I practiced is more likened to kickboxing with some savate and muay thai and wing chun thrown in
>>737485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST48uAp-Xco
>>737486
hahahahahah what?
What do you practice?
Those kind of bullshit i'm used to hear in italians chunners!
>>733500
>Since martial arts (BJJ in particular) claim that their strengths are fighting against larger opponents,
>BJJ in particular
This is bullshit, OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot7h6ykC0kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5vyu1z-5GE
Just watch these videos.
>>737623
They're both at the top of their game. By that point, size and strength matter.
>>737017
There are technical knockouts as well. If you've ever been punched or kicked in the liver without being prepared you know what it feels like. You are fully concious but the pain makes you kinda lose control of your body.
>>733704
>Yeah, but that second thing isn't actually an option. In real fights you get hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJUw7OXXGwg
>>737627
marcelo garcia routinely beats several heavier arses though
>>737623
"if he's bigger go for the ankles" might be a good advice
>>737691
Ankle picks are the best
I am fortunate enough to have made friends with a world class professional female fighter, she has several championships under her belt
I train casually < 3 times a week, however I outweigh her by nearly 100 pounds
I have challenged her to a friendly match and I will report back with details.
We will see how much skill vs size matters
>>737712
Video tape it or else we won't believe you
>>737743
I'm not sure someone as high profile as her would want unauthorized recordings. more specifically her training camp
>>737712
you have my interest. srsly, tape it. when is the fight?
>>737751
Yeah I feel you brother. I tried to release my Bigfoot tapes but NOBAMA and that coon's FBI won't let me put it out there! You believe me, right?!
>>737666
Okay, buddy. Good luck counting on that being you.
>>737775
why does it sound so unbelievable that a friendship develops between acquaintances with a shared interest?
>>737774
that is more based on her schedule than mine, we work out together sometimes but she is actually training right now, we'll see when she has the time to humor a scrub like me. Maybe this week, maybe next week, we'll have to see.
>>733500
Except for the fact that a 6'3 beast also trains bjj.
You want to see it in action watch Royce tap out everyone in the old days. Now everyone trains it so it nullifies the technique. dumbass
>>737819
Royce is a confirmed juicer, his victories have no credibility because of that fact
>>736791
>knockout has VERY LITTLE to do with strength of the blow.
then why are there more kos the heavier the weightclass goes?
>>737854
yes but nobody ever told him you have to lift when you juice.
