If there's anything left of old /asp/, I have a quick question.
I have a younger sister who is 5-foot-nothing and probably 100lbs wet, and she would like to learn some martial art for self-defense. At first, she wanted to do Krav Maga but the local place is (unsurprisingly) fake.
My mother's second choice for my sister is Shotokan karate, and bringing up biomechanics (sister at significant disadvantage against an average male assailant who is 7" taller and half again her weight) and its poor record in early UFC against other styles does nothing but infuriate my mother, who dislikes Judo and kickboxing for some reason.
Am I wrong on this? Is Shotokan Karate a good choice for a petite woman to defend herself? If I'm right, how might I persuade other people to that?
No it's wrong and stupid. Women are disposed to having a disadvantage in a fight, but have her pick a competent grappling and striking style and she could be able to defend herself with many years of training and practice. Something like boxing and judo or BJJ/wrestling and Muay Thai.
>>1387364
I feel like grappling, beyond escaping and avoiding getting grappled, would not be beneficial because it immobilizes someone to potentially get hurt by another attacker.
>>1387370
You're probably fucked if there's two attackers, especially if you're a woman. A good throw or takedown on concrete 1v1 would still take the sails out of someone's ship though.
>>1387361
Sparring and drills develop skill of application of technique, and application of technique is fighting skill.
Any fighting style can have shit training methods.
Krav Maga is basically MMA + dirty fighting + knife stuff, with a stand up focus.
Krav Maga is objectively the best martial art for self defense.
Kickboxing, Boxing, Judo, Muay Thai, BJJ, they're all objectively shit for self defense.
Now, even though Shotokan Karate is not as good as Krav Maga for self defense, if they sparred 3 times a week, while the Krav Maga gym sparred once every 3 months, then your sister would be able to defend herself better by learning Shotokan Karate.
Even if they don't spar, 1 week of Krav Maga would be better for self defense than one week of Boxing, Kickboxing, Shotokan Karate, Muay Thai, Judo, or BJJ.
If your sister is going to train and stay dedicated to an art, then it'd be better to train something like Judo, in the long run.
>>1387376
Why are they shit for self defense? Is it because we don't slowly grab at someone's testicles for an hour in a comfy, air conditioned room?
>>1387361
Parkour is objectively the best self defense martial art.
You can't get beaten or raped if your attacker can't get to you.
But before you apply Parkour, you need to effectively identify the situation you need to get away from.
Is there a martial art called the art of not getting taken by surprise?
Landing and Impact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNdVJABkc3c
Roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvlAl0TVrsE
Others To Consider
Advanced Parkour Roll Tutorial - Levi Meeuwenberg [SkyNative]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JoBLxFKkbM
(Ozzi Quintero) Advanced Parkour Roll Tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6I1J0zmE7U
Physics of the Wall Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuruwazmpI8
Landing and Impact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNdVJABkc3c
Roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvlAl0TVrsE
Ozzi Quintero wall Up Tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNNEhjxg-w0
Advanced Parkour Roll Tutorial - Levi Meeuwenberg [SkyNative]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JoBLxFKkbM
(Ozzi Quintero) Advanced Parkour Roll Tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6I1J0zmE7U
>>1387385
Situational Awareness
>>1387383
Krav Maga is about debilitating someone in the most efficient way possible.
Boxing is about punching someone while wearing super protective gloves, in a nice and safe floor, without the threat of grappling or kicks, without the threat of weapons, and winning a game you have rounds and minutes to win.
Kickboxing is like Boxing but with kicks.
Judo is about throwing people with a shit load of banned techniques, not having realistic ground game, without the threat of getting knocked the fuck out by any strikes, without the threat of getting technically knocked the fuck out by strikes, all on a nice comfy extra-extra-extra-extra-deluxe-super-large mattress of a floor to work on.
BJJ is kind of like Judo but you get to work on the floor a little longer.
Krav Maga is great for self defense if you're going to learn any martial art at all for a short period of time.
The only thing Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Karate, Judo, and BJJ have over Krav Maga is sparring, and that's only if you train for a long time.
And even with that sparring, it's only developing skill of specific sport fighting, with is a hindrance.
If Krav Maga had quality control and wasn't a crash course like it usually is, it'd be far superior in self defense than any combat sport and or martial art simple because it trains for self defense.
Judo is good for playing Judo because they train for Judo.
Boxing is good for Boxing because they train for Boxing.
>>1387393
>Situational Awareness
Where to I go and pay a monthly fee to train my situational awareness skills in a controlled environment using the teaching skills and knowledge of highly skilled and trained situational awareness athletes?
If I can major in Meme Studies, why isn't there more martial arts geared classes in an academic structure?
Academia had a lot of time perfecting the art of teaching humans.
Probably has something to do with how people don't give a fuck about martial arts, yet alone specific aspects of self defense.
http://www.northwesternflipside.com/2011/11/23/northwestern-unveils-new-meme-studies-department/
>>1387385
Have to go with this. I don't do parkour or free running, but this is the most correct answer.
I miss having you guys on the board....before the dark times....before the wrestlers came.
>>1387383
In a week of Krav Maga, you learn and train how to punch, kick, knee, elbow, disarm knives, strike sensitive areas, grapple only if it's the only and very best option, and only grapple on the ground if you get taken there.
In a week of Boxing you learn how to jump rope, how to stand, how to throw a jab, and maybe learn how to move in a stance, you also end up exercising a lot.
Unlike Krav Maga, you barely got to train what you learn, and you don't learn a lot, because Boxing is about training on a long-term basis for sport fighting under specific rules.
>>1387407
>disarm knives
You mean "how to get stabbed against a resisting opponent"
>>1387408
Nice meme you got there.
>>1387409
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTTz6RXwDcE
>Bitch doesn't end up teaching you how to jump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v9p5jBN_Hg
>>1387407
haahaaahahahahhaaa
krav maga might be good if you want to give her a good confidence boost.
god forbid she actually had to defend herself she'll get killed
>>1387361
>Is Shotokan Karate a good choice for a petite woman to defend herself?
goju guy here
not in my experience encountering it. people from shotokan who are good because of their high kicks and distance management. It's not a productive method for shorties
>>1387361
Want to protect yourself? buy a gun, specially after Orlando there tends to be good deals on gun, ammo, and shooting lessons. Even your tiny sister could point, aim, and squeeze
>>1387433
What's a persuasive argument for a hardcore Shotokan proponent and Boxing + Judo poopoo-er
>>1387436
I don't think boxing is a good idea for a munchkin either. Judo is probably the best because it's the only thing where size really is a non-issue, since throws exist for every body type to take down every other body type.
the pitfall of judo being bad for self defense training is it takes a lot of time to get anywhere decent at.
>>1387446
Making the argument that a weak shorty would never be able to hit hard was considered "offensive" and brought down with anecdotes about "oh, when I took shotokan, there was this tiny girl who hit really hard"
>>1387435
Shooting should be supplemented with basic tactical shooting strategy and tactics training, and paintball and airsoft playing in place of sparring.
You need good conditioning before you spar with live ammunition.
>>1387361
Wrestling
She should become a WWE Diva
>>1387361
Never actually been on this board before, used to teach bjj before I got fucked up. They always say it is great for woman because it might be I guess. Krav is probably the best for self defense though.
>>1387508
what rank were you in BJJ? and what's your linage
>>1387361
Learn to make a pipebomb. Doesn't matter how big or strong your opponent is, doesn't matter how many friends has his back, doesnt matter how many moves you may know or not know. Nothing instills more fear nor harms more people then a well placed pipebomb.
Why waste time, money and effort on fighting moves that may or may not work, when with less time, money and effort you can create a device that instills fear into soldiers, who are better trained and better equipped then any cage fighter or street fighter
There are no rules in the street, first person to do the most horrible thing wins and on the street winning is everything winning is the line that separate the living from the dead
Nothing beats a well placed pipebomb
>>1387512
Wouldn't the pipe bomb kill his sister as well?
>>1387513
if you're bad at placing it, i never get why people thing there are arbitrary time limits on a street fight, there are no rules, there are no time limits, the fight ends when you want it to end. so who says you can't retreat from a confrontation, then find out the daily routine of your enemy, find out when they go to school, when they go to work, when they go to the groceries.
Spend as much money as you would for a month of groceries at your local wal mart for supplies, then plant your pipebomb on the side of the road or at the intersection where you know they'll be vulnerable. Because you know as well they would be exploiting you when you're vunlerable, so blow them up, maim them, hurt them with the best self defense that's been used for the last decade, Improvised explosives like pipebombs beat any gun, any knife, any fighting style. Nothing beats a well placed pipebomb
>>1387523
The pressurecooker bomb used at the Boston bombings are a good design and right now the sod can bombs are good, all well placed cheap to make and easy to make. No one is going to fuck with you no matter if your a petite little girl, if you sheer off their arm or leg with a bomb
>>1387361
Wing Chun.
>>1387554
It's like you want his sister to get raped
>>1387556
sometimes it gets me hard thinking about that. I vent on /b/ sometimes with wincest, but sometimes i really do scare myself how turn on i get around my sister
>>1387559
>sometimes it gets me hard thinking about that. I vent on /b/ sometimes with wincest, but sometimes i really do scare myself how turn on i get around my sister
Nigga, what? I think you have some sexual problems relating to your sister, yo.
>>1387435
>>1387454
It's completely possible that you're going to get attacked by foreign terrorist commandos.
Taking cover is a fundamental part of firearm combat defense.
Some people like to split cover into two categories:
>cover that doesn't stop bullets
>cover that does stop bullets
When you're behind cover that doesn't stop bullets, you have a variety of possible tactical positions you could take.
pic related
Like on the image on the far left, if you leave yourself open on multiple places around the cover, your opponent will have trouble deciding what target to shoot at, and give you an advantage.
Take a look at the next image from the left.
It's an assured kill if you get shot in the head, so if you cover your head but leave your ass out, your opponent won't think it's worth it to shoot at your ass.
3rd image from the left, 2nd from right.
It's okay to leave part of your head exposed since your head is such a small target in the first place. If you only leave out part of your head, it'll be really hard to shoot. Since the rest of your body is covered, it's okay.
Far right image.
It's fine to leave your head exposed like this if your opponent is on your left side, since it's harder to shoot your head on the right side from their position.
I'm going to third or fourth the judo recommendation because of the size thing. Lower center of gravity is good for judo, and if she finds a dojo that drills kata, she will learn knife and strike defense.
>>1387628
Rolling is a great way to move between cover quickly while in low profile.
If you pop your head up really quickly, your opponent would waste ammunition trying to shoot at our head.
A crouched walk is a great way to keep you in low cover while changing location.
If you move with a crouched low-profile walk while out of cover, your opponent will get confused, and not fire at you.
>>1387606
I know and i feel fucking horrible
again i know its wrong but fuck i really do want to fuck the shit out of my sister
>>1387606
You think he does? He just explicitly stated it.
>>1387637
You should definitely get her firearm combat training. Where else are you going learn how to defend yourself against a gun? Are you going to punch, kick, or throw a bullet out of the air?
Is she going to judo throw her opponent from 20ft away?
>>1387650
By saying you vent a little on /b/, and how it's only sometimes that you scare yourself, you're implying that it's not that much of a problem.
It seems like a bigger problem than you're seeming to admit to yourself, Anon.
>>1387655
It doesn't seem like he thinks it's that much of a problem, even though he says he wants to "fuck the shit out" of his sister.
>>1387376
Krav is the best for a woman of that size, considering Krav is essentially womans self defense class with a better sounding name. Dont listen to all of these basement dwellers telling her to learn some gook art and jackie chan her way out of the situation. The best bet is to go for the eyes or balls and make a run for it. Situation awareness is key, not something that is easy to teach, but you can find some demonstrations online. Most likely carry a weapon, something small, mace, pocket knife. If youre a europoor then you have my condolences.
>>1387656
she could pipebomb them
she could be blocks away
a lot good that gun would have done when against a pipebomb
Any striking such as boxing would be fine.
Alternatively, Krav Maga is pretty good for weak people.
I wouldn't suggest Judo at all. Because it's easier to punch a stronger person in the face than to grapple him. And Krav actually has simpler ways to get away than Judo
>>1387679
there's to much RNG with striking, you don't know if your strike is going to knock the person out or if they got a granite chin and just get pissed off and rape you even more
>>1387688
That's why Goju is so based.
You train striking, grappling, as well as brutal self defense techniques.
If striking doesn't work, you have grappling to rely on. If grappling doesn't work, you have striking to rely on.
Not only that, you've trained sport fighting skills, but you also have more applicable skills in self defense situations where you just fuck people up.
>>1387688
I did all three of those sports. And I really liked how in Krav they taught you to get loose from most grips. I think the majority of those techniques were also available in Judo or had a variant of them in Judo, but in Judo they don't put much emphasis on them.
>>1387689
>judo self defense
Not even!
That bitch just assaulted that guy for no reason what so ever. He was obviously not fighting back, he was even turning away.
That's not self defense, that's assault.
Fuck you and your anti-man culture.
Men are constantly being falsely accused of assault and rape against men.
Men are constantly losing custody battles for children even to completely shitty females, just because they're men.
MEN'S RIGHTS
JUSTICE
CHANGE THE WORLD
>>1387691
Can you show or describe these grip breaks? even grip breaking is grappling so its not like you're doing some secret anti grapples. So they probably have the same grip breaks in judo, sambo, wrestling ,etc
sorry but here in the states KM has a shit reputation because its all the deadly, with strip malls that teach you jack shit, an honestly probably endanger more people with a false sense of confidence. Does your KM instructor actually come from Israel?
>>1387697
No, my instructors were Dutch. Like me. Also with a Judo and kick boxing background because those are pretty much the only mainstream martial arts here.
Escape from the headlock from the side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8zbmbVW0jQ
If someone pushes and chokes you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr0g4wqOn9U
If someone holds you with fairly outstretched arms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ9Ux4mzVHo
It are dumb street attacks a martial artists wouldn't commonly use, but you actually see it a uprising lot in real life.
>>1387719
But we usually got taught at least two ways to escape anything.
Like in the first one you could also use the Judo way to grab the hip.
The second one you could also release yourself by releasing his hands by grabbing them near the thumbs.
The third one could also be done with an Aikido wrist lock.
It's just whatever you prefer.
>>1387361
Just get her a well trained bodyguard dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZVChD-I5_s
Now I think of it these technically aren't grip breaks. But you know what I mean. You just get loose after which you can get away if you wish. Exactly what a girl needs.
>>1387719
oh man, pressure points? wrist locks? i am cringing, this is all bullshit. i'm sorry
>>1387728
It's real though. You can literally pull someone's head back by only using your thumb if you have your thumb under his nose. Let alone if you use the rest of your hand, like pushing your fingers in his eye sockets for grip. Call it whatever you like.
>>1387719
The first one makes two mistakes in the technique though.
Technically you have to get his head backwards before you start pushing it downwards.
And technically his hand is placed too low on his face, because you aren't supposed to put your hands in front of someone's teeth. The thumb below the nose is the lowest point you should reach. The rest of the fingers should be above the nose (forehead/eyes).
And the reason why you learn two techniques is because, despite that this is super effective, there is a chance someone decides to look away before you can reach his head. So you switch to a more difficult technique.
>>1387697
>>probably
Get out from behind the screen and actually find out.
Christ this board is fucking pathetic. Half of the posts here are from just straight up trolls and the other half is people falling for the bait. No one in their right fucking mind who knows martial arts is seriously going to recommend Krav Maga for self defense. It's complete bullshit that had never shown its effectiveness in a fight in all of the years that it has been around. This board deserved to be wrasslenuked by Hiro.
>>1388059
>You're all idiots who know nothing
>I have no suggestions for what you should do
>>1388072
Least he's not suggesting shit you shouldn't do
OP here, since it seems to be well established that Krav Maga is gimicky, low-percentage bullshit, how do I convince my mother, whose idea this is and who like karate a lot, that karate is bad for self-defense?
>>1387396
>krav maga
>believing this Jew shit.
>>1388123
Look man, she wants to defend herself or learn an art?
She wants to defend herself, tell her to move to Florida and get a CC permit and shell be safe.
She wants to learn an art? Boxing. 5 good punches >>>>>>>> 1000 mma moves or gimicky Jew shit for specific situations that rarely happen in real life.
>>1387361
BJJ.
With an emphasis on the "BJ" part.
>>1388162
That is the case I am trying to make, that any martial art where you aren't getting hit full power by resisting opponents will make you a third rate kickboxer at best, or get you killed because of gimicky low percentage techniques at worst.
But my mom is in love with karate and makes all the usual karate excuses when I try to convince her that it's a bad idea for self defense. It's my parents' money; my sister is underage.
>>1388072
I suggested MT, boxing, judo, BJJ, etc. they were shot down by the OP and some other faggot troll who is getting retards to believe that fucking Krav Magoy is a legitimate self defense style. I can't find it but there's a story about the dangers of this bullshido mindsets where a guy ends up getting fucked up on the street for neglecting his training by doing LARP bullshit. If anyone can find it, it's a good read.
>>1388191
OP here, I was never arguing in favor of Krav Maga. My preference would actually be some form of boxing + judo, or at least judo.
I'm just trying to persuade my delusional mother that Shotokan karate is bad for self defense, but I went in with an open mind because I might we wrong on any of the above
>>1388197
My mistake. I assumed you were one of the shitters in the thread. Your mother is wrong and your instincts are correct. Boxing and judo are damn good for self defense. There's no martial art on earth that you're going to pick up in 3 weeks and expect to do shit with. This whole KM myth stems from the fact that Israeli soldiers are quickly schooled in basic hand to hand shit so that they can adopt an aggressive mind set. CQC isn't anything special for basic military personnel, and they're only expected to use it to either get back to their weapon, or so that their buddies can shoot whoever is attacking them. Considering it's an Israeli art, it's not very surprising to consider that they might have some political motivations for pioneering a martial art that is supposed to sound intimidating. It serves the purposes of promoting a positive reputation for its soldiers and convinces said soldiers that they're the toughest in the world, which is helpful for morale. I've yet to see any scenarios involving KM in a recorded street fight or in any competitive setting. Due to this seeming lack of evidence, I'm completely convinced that it is only useful for the conditioning process of soldiers, since they don't have years to become proficient in martial arts before they enter combat.
>>1388177
Take it from a nigger who grew up in Miami gardens who boxed did mma and spent 4 years in prison (yea black people are on 4chan) you do not EVER want to get close to someone trying to do harm to you. Grappling sucks in the street unless you know whoever you are fighting is not armed or on drugs.
Likewise, your sister is young and brain damage is real in boxing.
But most martial arts are....arts. Its too look cool for competitions.
A 5 foot nothing girl has basically two options in a "self defense" scenarion. Option A is to out-tech your assailant(s). Carry a taser, mace, gun, whatever. Have it easily available and know how to use it. Option B is to fucking RUN. Unless you're walking through Rape Alley at night you probably don't have to get far before reaching safety.
>>1388217
Thanks for your input.
>>1387396
Krav Maga is about choreographed movements with a compliant training partner. Fuck off.
>>1387361
Judo is the only answer. She needs to know how to break grips, unbalance a guy, and run away. Any martial art that tells her she's going to learn to win a fight with a man is lying.
>>1388197
OP dont fall for any of these larpers who watch too many gook films. The best bet is go for the eyes or balls and run, or carry a weapon. A 5 foot nothing girl is NOT going to judo flip a 6 foot guy whose on the attack, and it is dangerous to give her that mind set. Take womans self defense, buy mace, taser, or get a cc permit. Most of the time attacks like this happen in groups, so situational awareness is the best bet
>>1388365
>eyes
>a small moving target
>in the heat of the moment without having such tactics pressure tested
>the groin
>a small moving target whose pain can be ignored via adrenaline, alcohol, or drugs
>and closing the knees happens to be one of the fastest reactions
Take your gimicky jew-jitsu out of here
>>1388373
Not him, but the groin can be easy to hit in many situations.
When someone takes a step and isn't paying attention.
Often you can pointer it when someone stands in front of you.
When you're stand up grappling (but not held in a way you can be easily unbalanced).
It's actually very easy to mix in with your other kicks.
t. ball kicking expert
>>1388373
>gimmicky jew-jitsu
>gives no better option
larper confirmed. She's not going to fucking flip a grown man or knock him out with dank shots. Her best bet is a shot to the groin and make a run for it. Thats only if she cannot carry a weapon
>>1387361
>for Petite Woman
Tell her to resistance train/lift first off. It won't matter what she trains in she won't be able to defend against shit if she's weak as fuck
>>1388162
>Boxing. 5 good punches
>not 1000 gimmicky boxing specific situations that rarely happen in real life
>>1388197
If your sister is going for less than a month, Krav Maga is best.
If your sister is going to stay dedicated for 1month - 1 year, Kickboxing is best.
If your sister is going to stay dedicated for 1 year +, MMA is objectively the best option.
With MMA
You get punched, you know what to do.
You get kicked, you know what to do.
You get clinched, you know what to do.
You get thrown, you know what to do.
You get on the ground, you know what to do.
The same can't be said about Boxers or Judoka.
>>1388400
Yes, but if you take this seriously, there's only one thing to study to master the ball kicking arts.
>>1388298
Krav Maga is about choreographed movements with a compliant training partner just as much as Judo is.
>>1388373
>a small moving target whose pain can be ignored via adrenaline
Because nobody in MMA ever had to take a break after getting kicked in the balls.
It's not like it's so important to them that they get flooded with adrenaline and want to kill themselves if they lose .
>>1388619
Ball kicking is an art just like Jaw punching is an art.
It's like the Kyokushin head punch rule problem.
Objective Ultimate Martial Art Ranking List:
1. Goju Karate
2. Mixed Martial Arts
3. Krav Maga
4. Sanda/Sanshou (Wing Chun)
5. Sambo
6. Muay Thai
7. Wrestling
8. Kickboxing
9. Judo (Rousey vs Holm)
10. Boxing
11. Taekwondo
12. BJJ
>>1388669
This is bad.
>>1388728
>Stop being a retard.
Sorry.
>Boxing
>not 990 gimmicky Boxing specific situations that rarely happen in real life
>>1388217
quit making shit up you fucking faggot. there is absolutely no fucking chance in hell that some gangbanging nigger is posting on here.
>>1388622
>randori
>>1388851
My cellmate who was in for fraud told me about 4chan.
>>1388841
If you can't defend yourself with your hands your soft as butter no matter how many grapples and kicks you know.
>>1388841
Not that guy but if you can't see the value in a good uppercut or cross you haven't been in any sort of fighting. Real or sport.
>>1387361
Tell her to buy a gun, or carry pepper spray. Then teach her about always going for the balls or the eyes. Then teach her about joint locks and how to escape common holds and practice them occasionally. Then tell her to excersize regularly to keep in shape. Boom. That's all the defense you need.
>>1388942
This.
Training Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Sanda/Sanshou, Judo, Wrestling, BJJ, MMA, Karate, Taekwondo, Sambo, is all for people who wished they could become ultimate fighters, traveling martial artists, but don't, so they settle with hitting bags, doing drills, and sparring at their gyms and or schools.
Martial arts is useless for self defense when you could just buy a taser, and watcher a few YouTube videos, and then train once a week with an uncle or something.
>>1387361
Cops have to defend themselves all the fucking time.
Do you know what they do? They use tactical weapons.
>pepper spray
>taser
>baton
>gun
In that order.
If some fuck head is attacking you, all you need is some pepper spray.
If some fuck head looks dangerous, you pull out the taser.
If someone manages to get close enough to you, you pull out your melee tactical non-lethal.
If someone looks dangerous and looks like that person is going to try and kill you, you shoot the fucker.
>>1387376
Wow sound the retard alarm
>>1387361
Martial artists is for autistics who fantasize about being tough badasses who can kill people with their bare hands, when they're just a bunch of pussies.
If you're in a crime ridden town, move out. For the extremely small chance that you have to defend yourself, buy pepper spray.
Martial arts for self defense is a waste of time, money, energy, effort, and life.
>>1387361
Learning martial arts for self defense is one of the most mentally retarded things someone with access to the internet could do.
Just admit it, it makes your penis diamonds thinking about having a sister who can do martial arts, and just thinking about her doing a roundhouse kick makes you want to fuck her brains out.
>>1387407
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing intensifies
ITT: OP has a martial arts girls fetish, and fantasizes about molesting his under aged sister.
>>1387361
It's the 21st century, you fucking retard. We have 21st century self defense weapons.
>>1387361
>Shotokan Karate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyoto_Machida
>>1387396
You're an idiot.
Saying boxing is good for boxing is like saying playing football is only applicable on a football pitch.
Boxing is GREAT for self defense. It will teach you to understand distance from attackers and footwork, plus if you train regularly you're A LOT more likely to land that first, solid punch when you know your sitation is a dire one. Then you can RUN.
Supplement with BJJ so if you're grabbed you can handle yourself.
>>1387693
His point was, IT WORKS you moron.
Theres a blackbelt girl in my flat, 5ft nothing. She can toss me around in grappling situations no problem
OP, if you're training for self defense, learn BJJ or JUDO and supplement it with boxing. You will have all bases covered. Of course the best option is always to GTFO there asap.
>>1389189
>You will have all bases covered.
Boxing is stupid because everybody on the street throws punches. Just stay on the outside and leg kick all day err day. You don't even need to learn muay thai, just learn how to deliver a good roundhouse kick.
Learning Boxing when you can kick is like running up to a faggot with a knife so you can stab him before he stabs you when you could've stayed where you were and used your 50cal sniper rifle.
>>1389200
Are you actually this stupid, or have you just never trained before? You do realise, when you go to judo class, you actually learn against people who are also trying to throw you in return.. or do you just frequent martial arts threads with an internet based knowledge on the subject.
If you train to and learn how to throw other judoka, people who are also TRAINED IN GRAPPLING, then fighting someone untrained is going to be a joke. Turn off your computer and go to class.
>>1389205
Thats dumb. Have you ever been in a street fight? Again, if youre sparring with other boxers, whether someone is trying to punch you or not, it doesnt matter, because you have trained against other trained people.
I can guarantee neither of you have either trained or been in a fight lol. Fuckin 'stay on the outside and use leg kicks'.
You guys should take your own advice, then when you do get into a fight someone will have a much better chance at knocking some sense into ya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEjflWAdbiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkkwP8eQpcU
>>1389214
Stop being stupid. The black guy was minding his own business and then the black lady fucking pushed him around and threw him out of nowhere.
>>1389223
You're missing the point you cabbage. You're negating the whole tried and tested fighting art of Judo based on one 2 second gif. I'm talking in general. You think she would have struggled had be fought back? Seriously, get off your PC and go to a dojo, or at worst retreat to a corner of the internet where your opinion isn't completely uneducated.
Listen, OP, if you want to actually be able to handle yourself, learn a grappling art and supplement it with a striking art. Simple.
If you want to get raped trying to scale a fucking parking lot wall, learn parkour (looool)
>>1388625
Haven't you ever watched football (soccer)? When your opponent does something illegal you're supposed to oversell.
>>1389214
>Have you ever been in a street fight?
I've been in numerous street fights throughout the course of my school-age life.
One guy was trying to steal my homie's bike. He pulled a knife to try and intimidate us, he didn't look like he was intending to use it. I fucking kicked him in the balls, pushed him down to the floor, and we started kicking him.
There were a few no rules fights except for no weapons going around.
I decided to enter one because I needed the money, $100 bet on myself.
I was a skinny guy, so they set me up against a kind of buff manlet black kid. He just ended up being a shitty Boxer who learned how to grab onto people's clothes.
I literally kicked him in the leg once, and I still remember the expression on his face to this day, he was turned to the side, he had his leg bent and kind of up. I front kicked him to the ground and he hit his head on the way down. I kicked him in the face once and broke his nose. It was over then and there.
I was with 2 homies walking around down town one time. They had gang affiliation, I just liked hanging out and fucking around.
5 black people with baggy and sagging pants, clean looking hoodies, and nice shoes, just ambushed us, some of them had bats. Both of my friends pull out pistols and start yelling. They all got the fuck out of there.
I was smoking weed in a park with a friend one time. Some addict looking fuckers, 2 of them, decided to try and mug us. One of them had a knife. They started pushing us around and demanding that we give them anything we had. Fuckers made me drop my pipe and it broke. I grab the knife arm, and kick the guy in the balls until he falls. My friend ended up on the ground with the other guy. I finish the guy off by stomping his head into the cement. I go to the other guy wrestling on the ground with my friend, and I kick him in spine a few times until he leg go. I then grab him by the hair, and bang his head against the ground until he was out.
>>1389214
>>1389273
3 other guys and I were sent to go fuck some people up. We would get $200 and a big bag of weed for doing it.
Being the smartest person in the group, I decided to gather intel, and we learned their schedule.
After school, they'd get together and chill in an apartment complex and smoke weed and skateboard.
I got everybody to wear masks, and get weapons. 2 of the guys brought baseball bats, the other guy brought a wooden boat paddle, we gave him shit about it.
I got a metal construction rod.
We walked down to the area, and they see us coming. They use their skateboards as weapons, one of them had a knife.
It was easy shit, we just had the weapons with more reach and the better weapons, they didn't stand a chance.
I go for the guy with the knife first, I just hit in the chest with my rod before he could even get into range. I just hit him in the body area multiple times, hit his arms a few times, as he was trying to run away, I do a running front kick and kick him to the ground. I start beating his legs and breaking his shins.
>>1389273
>>1389280
> Thinking I'm gonna waste my time reading your bs stories.
>>1389214
>>1389280
I also decided to join another no rules fight because I was low on money again. I didn't want to do them too much because of how dangerous it was. I was set up against a white kid that was about my height, but was bulkier than me by a little, I was just a skinny kid back then. I was 16 years old during this one.
I didn't know he wrestled in middle school, and he also did sports in high school.
At first, it looked like he was just another shitty street Boxer, but with some skill because he was using a Philly shell guard. He wasn't too light on his feet, but he moved his head a bit.
I decide I'll just throw front kicks at his knee. I clearly remember faking a jab even though I was out of range, and then kicking his knee, I could see it hurt him when it bent his leg back. He starts rushing me and shooting for a takedown. I start pushing him away from me and backpedaling, but we manage to fall onto the ground. We're kind of in a side position, he's kind of on top, and I head butt him, and pulled on his ear to the side and I managed to get him off of me and scramble on my feet. I later found out I partially ripped his ear, and there was blood. He got onto his feet, too, and he looks like he wants to do some stand up, and I front kick him in the body and he gets pushed back. I left out a lot of details because I don't remember the specifics, but I clearly remember how I won. He tried to fake some punches, but it was obvious he was going to shoot, he was partially lowered, I front snap kicked him in the face, I sprained my big toe doing it, bit it hit him in the jaw, and he was knocked clean out.
Sometimes I feel like you guys don't do any martial arts at all.
Pretty much every non-Chinese martial art works. They just have different focusses.
>>1387407
>In a week of Krav Maga, they teach how to punch, kick, knee, elbow, disarm knives, strike sensitive areas, grapple
>And you learn nothing
Fixed
>>1387361
If they spar every lesson or two I think it's fine, but white belts rarely do, also learning katas is useless if they don't teach a proper application
t. shotokan
>>1389480
Also never tried it since I'm not american but american kenpo seems 10 times more effective than krav maga
>>1389548
American Kenpo is all over the place in quality.
Some of them are basically just kickboxing schools that will teach you some basic submissions, and leg sweeps. They joined Ye Olde Full Contact Karate tournaments, then followed that lineage down the kickboxing branch of that split.
Other's chose the dark side, the way of point sparring, 2deadlies and mcdojos. Those American Kempo schools are even worse than Krav Maga. Check out Enter the Dojo for what they're like.
>>1387726
underrated post
>>1388626
But everything you need for ball-kicking is already covered in Olympic taekwondo. It is literally trading back and forth kicks where speed and accuracy are the only thing that matters, and you defend against kicks by moving out of the way. Oh, and you constantly stand in a bladed stance, to keep you balls away from your opponent.
If you want to learn how to kick someone in the dick, you don't need Krabby Mango, you want WTF TKD to teach you the meta-game of dick kicking.
>>1388669
This list is retarded.
Look, bottom line "self defense martial arts" are complete bullshit. They teach you shit that would only work on somebody who doesn't know what the fuck they are doing. You want to train in shit that works on world class fighters.
Boxing
Muay thai
Wrestling
Brazillian jiu jitsu
Kyokushin karate.
Martial arts that put you against people as good or better than you in fighting situations.
Ever wonder why you don't see wing chun, kung fu, shaolin styles or krav maga in MMA? Because that shit doesn't work against REAL fighters, who know what they're doing.
>>1389928
>inb4 "muh krav and wing chun is too deadly for mma"
>>1389928
you don't see cma in MMA is because it poorly translates. Most of their strikes violate MMA rules.
>>1389928
You don't see Wing Chun in MMA because it's Chinese. The Chinese don't give two shits about UCF and Jon Jones.
What works in Wing Chun is already mostly integrated into Sanda/Sanshou, and the Chinese have Sanda/Sanshou competition to compete in.
>>1390032
the chinese love UFC, hell the chinese government right now is in a bidding war to buy the UFC and turn it into one of their new national sports
>>1389928
>REAL fighters, who know what they're doing.
>>1390049
>1 fighter botching in half a second
>rooster is filled with over 438 fighter
1 divide by 438 = is 0.02%
kek learn to math your generalization sucks
>>1389928
I remember that video of those Brazilian MMA fighters getting beaten up with iron poles for trying to space the distance between them and the pole wielder.
In Krav Maga you'd learn to close in and put your body against his. While trapping the arm.
Self defense styles have useful tricks that can be very handy in self defense situations.
If you dont train an aspect of fighting you will always be worse at it than people who do train for it.
Krav Maga isnt too deadly to use or anything. The techniques are often just kept simple and effective. Which is why it contains many moves illegal in mma. Manipulating the head dor example is very effective in grappling. But a lot of styles skip it entirely.
Krav Maga spends a lot of time on weapon defenses because they are easy to screw up and escape drills (from one or more people). It's not focussed on taking people out, like boxing and BJJ for example, which is the reason why it's not useful in mma. Its aimed at survival. Getting the fuck out.
>>1390122
A while ago I learned a head throw. Which was basically spinning someones head diagonally. And then using a tackle.
If you're trapped in a corner and cant do shit it's fast and effective. Yet in a lot of sport styles you dont learn how to get away when you're with your back against the wall. They just assume you have the space to move around.
>>1389928
>Because that shit doesn't work against REAL fighters, who know what they're doing.
Because REAL fighters are gonna attack you on the streets, right? That is what they do. You want to be competitive in BJJ in case a Judo master tries to rape you in the middle of the night?
That is the shittiest argument you can make.
>>1387385
yall got anymore of them parkour videos?
>>1389205
What a shitty analogy from a man who clearly never fought in real life before.
>>1390137
>Because REAL fighters are gonna attack you on the streets, right?
Remember 9/11. Sand nigger terrorists commandos are a threat to our society, ourselves, and our children.
>>1390137
You fucking troglodyte I'm not saying real fighters are gonna attack you, I'm saying to use stuff that works on real fighters. As in shit that works no matter who you are fighting against.
>>1390031
Old school UFC didn't have these rules you speak of and if I remember correctly UFC 6 or 7 had a Krav Maga guy get destroyed in a minute by a wrestler.
>>1390515
>Krav
>Chinese
>>1390510
That's not what you said at all you cretin.
>>1387361
This is the fighting ability you'll run into on the streets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi6YTNAdzzM
>>1391361
1. Even those dumbasses would wreck a 100 lb woman if she trains in a dead martial art.
2. If we're going to fantasize that your "opponent" on the street is going to be garbage-tier, why not just fantasize that he's going to have muscular dystrophy and not train at all?
3. The kind of person who decides to initiate violence against even a woman on the street is a person who has confidence that he's going to win, which means he probably isn't completely useless in a fight.
In the end, what the guys who are advocating alive martial arts (the only ones we have extensive proof work, and all of which are practiced as sports) are saying is that you're going to spend the same amount of time getting good at Krav as you would spend getting good at Judo. The difference is after two years of Krav you haven't tested your skills at all and you're hoping that the first time you EVER do the shit you learned under pressure you're either going to have an opponent who's too dumb to pour piss out of a boot with instructions printed on the heel or so unfit he can be bested by the kind of basement dweller who takes Krav Maga seriously. You can spend the same time and probably less money training Judo and after a year you've tested yourself under pressure and if you need to use it on the street you're pretty safe against anybody who isn't a competing martial artist and a shit-ton of people who are, but haven't encountered Judo before.
>>1387407
>In a week of Krav Maga, you learn and train
>how to punch,
Maybe if you're only learning a punch or two, but if you're not going to use them under pressure you'll never know if you can land one.
>kick,
Doubtful. Nobody can learn anything useful about kicking in a week.
>knee,
The hard part of knees is setting up a knee with footwork or clinching. That comes through sparring and time. I'm sure you can bruise your knee on a bag in a week though.
>elbow,
You'll never in your life spar with elbows in Krav, so you'll learn how to fantasize about elbows.
>disarm knives,
Nobody anywhere can teach you how to do this.
>strike sensitive areas,
You'll be told a laundry list of sensitive areas to strike that you won't remember under pressure.
>grapple only if it's the only and very best option, and only grapple on the ground if you get taken there.
I'm sure you'll be given this speech. You'll learn nothing about grappling in a week. You'll learn nothing about grappling in a decade of training non-competitively.
Krav Maga is functionally identical to the worst strip mall krotty. Instead of having a tubby white guy preaching bullshit to you in cheap pajamas you're going to have an in-shape white guy preaching bullshit to you in expensive 5.11 pants.
>In a week of Boxing you learn how to jump rope, how to stand, how to throw a jab, and maybe learn how to move in a stance, you also end up exercising a lot.
Yeah, because this is how much you can reasonably learn in a week, and that's honestly a stretch. Boxing trainers have learned this over the course of centuries of history and millions of collective man-hours turning scrubs into fighters.
>>1387361
I've done shotokan karate for many years, let me tell you this: it's done a lot for me physically, but I don't think I can use it to defend myself. Get her into something hands on, like judo.
I wouldn't recommend a martial art at all, just learn to run fast and far. Some parkour wouldn't hurt either.
>>1393540
>Some parkour wouldn't hurt either.
The track and fields of Parkour are a little underrated.
Sprinting, as in track and field, is actually a pretty important part of Parkour.
Track and field long jump is also a key part of Parkour, though, it's modified a bit.
For pure Parkour, not free running, some believe that there are 3 moves you could learn to get past just about everything, besides the sprinting, jogging, long jump, general jumps, and climbing aspects.
Those are the following:
- Parkour roll
- Parkour Vault
- Wall up
If you're somewhere high, and you need to land, you can do so safely with a roll.
If you need to get over an obstacle that's kind of high, but it would take too much energy to jump over it, you can vault. Vaults are also good because it spreads the workload throughout your body. You already use your legs a lot, while often the upper body goes underutilized. It's often more efficient to vault than it is to hurdle.
The wall up just helps you get to high places, especially useful for self defense since normal people can't get to high places, and if they can get to high places, they can't do it nearly as quickly as you can.
The slap out, or quadrupedal landing technique, is also good to know, for use in places where you can't roll, or it isn't as efficient to roll.
There was a YouTube prank video I saw a wile ago.
I don't remember it too well, but some guy would fuck with people, wall up to get on top of things, and then the people he fucked with couldn't get to him.
>>1392087
There're a lot of things wrong with this post, but I'll just point one of them out.
>>disarm knives
>Nobody anywhere can teach you how to do this
Because it's not humanly possible to deal with the pressure and speed of bladed weapons combat, right?
Because someone unarmed has no chance against someone with a weapon, right?
Because since knives are so deadly, one poke and you're dead, right?
Knife and cloth shield fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hccyPJ7a8j4&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhccyPJ7a8j4&has_verified=1 [Embed]
Machete fight
youtube.com/watch?v=VhV9xTPRvaI [Embed]
Gang weapons fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrYUUIrR2o [Embed]
Knife vs unarmed fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWTsM_YUOrQ [Embed]
>>1392087
>self defense and knife fighting is so complicated that nobody can do or teach it
kek
gr8 b8 m8
>>1387361
Women are unable to defend themselves against larger male attackers. Tell her to buy a gun or get married to someone who can defend her.
>>1395137
>Because someone unarmed has no chance against someone with a weapon, right?
Yes. That's right. You'd better get that through your thick head if someone pulls a knife. Any variation of "I think I can still win this fight" is going to get you killed.
Congratulations on finding one of the rare videos of someone getting attacked by a sickly crackhead with a knife and surviving. For every video like that how many videos do you reckon there are of somebody getting stabbed to death? Fuck, there's probably a video somewhere of somebody winning an MMA fight with a backflip if you dig hard enough. That doesn't mean practicing backflips is a good use of your training time.
>>1395160
I'm sure you're an accomplished knife fighter. Link us to some news stories and police reports of your victories.
>>1395323
>I'm sure you're an accomplished knife fighter. Link us to some news stories and police reports of your victories.
I killed everyone and disposed of their bodies before anyone found out.
I'm a forensic scientist, and I work with my sister. I was adopted, but I still love her like a sister.
My knowledge of forensic science helps me get away with murder.
I often take people by surprise, but that doesn't mean I don't end up having to fight people here and there.
After I'm done with them, I just chop them up, put them in garbage bags, get on my boat, and dump them where they'll get carried away by the water.
Sometimes, I don't get a lot of sleep because of a kill, but I'm smart, so I manage to get to work and do okay during the day.
>>1395405
Well, don't take any apprentices. I have a suspicion it will almost always work out poorly.
>>1387361
For date rape scenarios? Some BJJ and being able and willing to use her nails and scream her lungs out.
For being mugged/assaulted on the street? Mace, a reliable pistol, and a concealed carry permit.
>>1396426
He did the right thing.
Those 5 women were beating on 1 defenseless woman.
I'd like to see some people say that men shouldn't hit women and just stand there while the woman gets 5 on 1.
If this happened in my city, all the guys would just watch and call the police. When the police arrive, that woman would be dead.
>>1387361
I went to a free trial of a Kyokushin Dojo one time.
I watched these girls do more push ups than me, sustain more brutal conditioning than me, and saw them spar pretty well for Kyokushin practitioners.
Frail do nothing girls that oppressive American roots created could get their asses kicked by untrained men, but athletic female martial arts practitioners are a force to be reckoned with.
>>1396426
WWE's first Chinese signing is legit.
>>1387361
Boxing, sanda, muay thai, or kickboxing.
>>1399039
Sanda > Muay Thai > Kickboxing > Boxing
>>1387376
get a load of this fag
kickboxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNgRWWwa-2o
boxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJUw7OXXGwg
judo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWTsM_YUOrQ
muay thai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWbr1giLAck
bjj
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY-NjGKUqSE
I can post a dozen more for each of those disciplines. I gurantee you cant post one for krav maga. Get fucked.
>>1398655
>Frail do nothing girls that oppressive American roots created
That was hundreds of years ago, though.
>>1401843
Here's your Krav Maga working in the streets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBlahZe2QUE
>>1401941
>Being that aggressive to a guy being completely harmless, even asking him to stop it, just to use him as a punching bag
Pitiful, also what about it makes it clear he's a krav maga practitioner? (also he did fuck all to a 40+ years old untrained man, while starting from behind him, in a lock, aiming at the balls and using other cheap tricks, the man even has glasses and he punches him in the face)
If that is your average krav maga practitioner, it's truly a sport for subhumans
>>1402334
I've seen this video under a different name, the white guy had shoplifted from the brown guy and the brown guy was trying to hold him until the police got there.
>>1401941
couldn't be, krav is supposed to be super deadly and have killed him immediately. he also grappled way to much
I should add that the white guy very clearly is not a violent felon, nor is he trying really hard to fight.
>>1401843
That MT fighter had mad squabbles but he gave zero attention to retaining his weapon. That shit could have gone south quick if his opponent hadn't stood there and banged with him.
>>1402362
>couldn't be, krav is supposed to be super deadly and have killed him immediately. he also grappled way to much
Krav Maga has tons of grappling, even ground game.
Just like Boxing is supposed to be super fast hands and have knocked the guy clean out with one punch to the jaw within the first few seconds of the fight after the opponent tried but failed to land 37 punches.
>>1402362
>krav is supposed to be super deadly and have killed him immediately.
Just like Taekwondo is Koreans with 7ft long legs that can kick people from 20ft away, can kick 20 times in less than 3 seconds, can jump at least 50ft high, and can create tornadoes with their flying kicks.
>>1402362
>krav is supposed to be super deadly and have killed him immediately.
Just like how Muay Thai practitioners can chop down 100ft trees with a single roundhouse kick. Just like how Muay Thai practitioners can stop cars going 30mph with a single knee strike. Just like how Muay Thai practitioners can clinch so well, that they can wrestle with bears.
>>1402362
>krav is supposed to be super deadly and have killed him immediately.
Just like how Dr. Goblin had his legs bitten off by Pit Bulls, and couldn't walk for years, couldn't walk with a cane for years once he could still walk. But with his dedication to Taekwondo, he released a strong Chi energy that regenerated bone, muscle, tendon, and created legs stronger than he had ever had. And now, despite losing his legs, has grown legs of his very own, and is now a world champion Kickboxer who's main focus is speedy kicks.
>>1402362
>couldn't be, krav is supposed to be super deadly and have killed him immediately.
Just like how Seido spent his time as a homeless and poor traveling martial arts scholar, traveling far and wide, all around the globe multiple times. And each place Seido traveled, he learned a martial art and developed skill more than 50 times faster than the average practitioner. He spent only 2 weeks at a martial arts school, and emerged with the skill and knowledge of the most hardened veteran 10-year+ practitioners. He's studied every single martial art known to man.
He ended his journey and got 10 college degrees in multiple fields in only 1 single year.
He contemplated his journey and martial arts knowledge, and was dissatisfied with many martial arts, especially those of his roots.
He believed he wasted his life with bullshit.
Seido then created his very own philosophy and martial art, the ultimate martial art. He created the very best martial art known to man, thanks to how dissatisfied he was with how he spent his life.
Upon holding a professional record of 5,789 wins, no loses, 77 no contests, in illegal underground no-rules but unarmed fights, he killed himself because of his thoughts of his wasted potential.
Despite his death, nobody has found his ultimate martial art and philosophy manuscripts, but scholars to this day are still searching.
>>1387628
>>1387649
>he can take on an army of 100 fully armed Navy SEALs, with nothing but a 9mm Glock and 2 bullets
>he can kill a pack of wolves with nothing but punches
>he's killed more than 20,000 people in street fights, with nothing but a single pair of nunchucks
>he beat 200 Kickboxers simultaneously, while he was blindfolded
>all champions of the UFC are secretly invited to fight him in a friendly UFC ruled fight, and he has yet to lose a single fight
Since we're on the topic of dogs and self defense,
do not think that just because an ferocious street dog demanding your money is naked, that you don't have anything to grip.
Judo is still applicable in Doggo vs Human Weapon self defense situations.
gif related
Just watch out for the doge cutting angles on you and getting a teeth grip on your forearm, and grappling you with those sneaky front paws.
>>1403937
This, just like a human head, they're full of exploitable points, the problem is getting there
Imo pick technical martial arts like Aikido or Shorinji Kempo. Women are amazing at technique since they do not have any strength going for them, furthermore since it is not encouraged to hit each other hard at all (only to attack for the sake of practice while being aware you will get your ass kicked) and their techniques tend to be useful in real life situations.
>>1387361
A woman has no chance against a man unless she's unusually large and strong. Women only have 60% of the strength of a man of the same weight, so just imagine a guy who was 60% of the weight of the other guy fighting each other. Weight (and strength) is just too much of an advantage in fights. Just do a martial art for fitness and discipline and buy a weapon.
>>1387376
Krav Maga is designed to make the soldiers feel like badass warriors. Literally 80% of the shit they teach is impossible to pull off against a resisting opponent. They rely on knowing what is coming and slowing it down and having people just stand there like an idiot with their arm out and their body limp.
>>1406937
[citation needed]
>>1406944
>Literally 80% of the shit they teach is impossible to pull off against a resisting opponent.
Literally 80% of what they teach is
>jab
>cross
>hook
>dirty boxing
>roundhouse kick
>knee
>elbow
>basic judo
>basic ground game
>focus on running away
If it's civilian Krav in not-Israel.
The rest is dealing with blunt weapons.
Less is dealing with blades.
Even less is dealing with guns.
The knives and guns stuff is like what 10+-punch combinations is to Boxing.
You probably won't use it. If you do use it, it probably won't be used all the way. Either way, you know the other shit, so it's good to have this shit on top of that shit.
>>1406944
>Literally 80% of the shit they teach is impossible to pull off against a resisting opponent.
Common misconception.
It's like me showing you tornado kicks, flying side kicks, spinning back kicks, flying knees, flying spinning elbows, and then telling you that it's an accurate representation of Muay Thai.
People take a look at Krav Maga, and then get all worked up when they see something that's situational and looks semi-difficult, like a spinning back kick.
The reason why there are so many different knife disarms is because knife disarming is situational.
If you try to use disarm-1 when it's better to use disarm-2, disarm-1 is going to be lower percentage.
Training knife disarms is the same as training
>slip left to avoid jab - counter with jab - cover up against hook - right cross
>counter jab with cross - left hook - step outside
>>1388851
I'm an OG gangsta nigga bix nood muh dick
>>1389024
Yeah I'll just walk into Disney World or a sports stadium or a bar or a hospitals with a fucking utility belt of weapons.
No offense because weapons are obviously better than no weapons, and I carry guns on the reg, but it's seriously fucked how many places are no weapons allowed, not even just guns.
Still this is good advice, especially for a woman.
>>1390137
If you can fight with a trained fighter you will kill anyone untrained.
So OP, did you show this thread to your mother/sister?
>>1407023
The difference is that you can actually train in a real sparring fight to slip and jab. Nothing can really prepare you for a knife fight.
So I live in a place that has a sports training compound. I have the ability to train boxing, kickboxing, muy thai, judo, or tang soo do/karate.
I'm leaning towards the tang soo do but I don't know what the fuck I'm taking about. I should note that sparring is mandatory for all of these classes.
I only want to focus on one style for the time being. I have no fighting experience. I'm a 32 year old male.
>>1407918
Forgot to post my question. Which one should I devote my limited and valuable free time to training?
>>1407924
I'd go with Muay Thai if I were you. Best striking discipline and you still learn some grapling.
>>1401843
I fucking hate how people label things on youtube
>kickboxing
that was a lucky flail, zero technique
>boxing
unwatchable, just play the fucking video asshole I don't need you to analyze it for me
>judo
I always liked this video but I think his "judo" was accidental, the way he leaned back gives it away. He knows you can trip someone like that but only managed it because he was bigger, he doesn't actually know the right way to do it
>muay thai
guy sucks, he couldn't even manage a clean shot on a guy flailing with his head forward
>bjj
fucking where? just because you end up on top of someone on the ground doesn't mean you are doing jiujitsu, you can tell from how he's sprawled out and not tight against the guy on the bottom he has no idea about applying pressure from the top. and last I checked dropping elbows on the back of someones head isn't bjj
>>1406921
>Women are amazing at technique since they do not have any strength going for them,
This is bullshit logic from someone who grew up playing too many video games. Rock-paper-scissors shit that implies balance that doesn't exist in the real world. Women are both weak AND have shit technique. We don't say "throws like a girl" to indicate that someone has a weak arm and impeccable technique. We mean he can't put the right chain of movements together to throw something effectively.
>furthermore since it is not encouraged to hit each other hard at all (only to attack for the sake of practice while being aware you will get your ass kicked) and their techniques tend to be useful in real life situations.
This is the opposite of useful. The first time you EVER have someone really hit you it's when your life depends on it? Yeah, that sounds much more effective than getting a few hundred hours a year of ring time against someone who's trying to hit you as hard as you're trying to hit him.
>>1387361
TL;DR for thread: Situational awareness, parkour, and guns. There a also weapon arts and you can carry a baton or flashlight on you. For grappling, judo would be good. Bjj could be too. For striking, probs just boxinng or muay thai. They have the advantage in that random assholes on the stree are most likely to do shitty imitations of boxing or double legs.
>>1387650
Don't feel awful, incest is purest love.
>tfw no qt brocon little sister
>>1409851
Ah, and krav can be not shit, but its basically just an intro to self defense. Serious training in an art and becoming as skilled/strong as she can would be good, to try and make up as much of the gap between her and a male attacker.
>>1388123
Explain that there are karate styles that aren't THE WORST for self defense, but it'd take a lot to work, and thats for a man, it would take even more for a small woman.
>>1406989
>see not working techniques against barely resisting opponent
>>1409112
Have you ever trained with a woman before? I've only done a few grappling arts (wrestling, aikido, bjj briefly) but in all three of them men generally had the habit of trying to musclefuck their way through techniques when they stated out and would eventually get better at leverage and technique when they started working against higher skilled opponents. Women didn't have that advantage and had to do it correctly from the get go.
>>1407912
>you can spar with 16 oz gloves on to train Boxing in a safe setting but you can't ever use a fake knife
>>1411780
Because nobody wins a knife fight, and trying to teach otherwise leads to overconfidence and getting stabbed
>>1411813
I think you mean few people get out of a knife fight uncut. some superficial cuts or even a serious cut is not necessarily a loss, and the idea that training cannot improve your chances is foolish
>>1411813
see >>1395137
Knife and cloth shield fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hccyPJ7a8j4&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhccyPJ7a8j4&has_verified=1 [Embed]
Machete fight
youtube.com/watch?v=VhV9xTPRvaI [Embed]
Gang weapons fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrYUUIrR2o [Embed]
Knife vs unarmed fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWTsM_YUOrQ [Embed]
>>1411813
>Because nobody wins a knife fight, and trying to teach otherwise leads to overconfidence and getting stabbed
>nobody wins a Boxing match, and trying to teach otherwise leads to overconfidence and getting knocked out
>>1387361
Where the fuck do you live where the average male is 5'7 and 150lbs? Try 5'10 and 180lbs lol
>>1412027
>Where the fuck do you live where the average male is 5'7 and 150lbs? Try 5'10 and 180lbs lol
Have you been anywhere where it wasn't just a bunch of white people?
>>1412117
No kek. I'm from Aus, and even those averages are taking into account old people and the non whites we do have. I'm 6'1 and 185lbs, and I'm really only slightly, barely noticeably bigger than other young white men my age (23).
Why do Krab Rangoon fags act so superior... you think you can beat a kickboxer or bjj guy because youre gonna poke them in the eyes and kick their balls? Guess what, theyll do the exact same thing to you plus more, viable techniques that you have no idea how to defend with your steven seagal fantasy bullshit.
>>1412263
Krav Maga is basically Kickboxing + MMA, but instead of inside leg kicks they use groin kicks.
Kendo
>>1410677
Yes, I have, and in real martial arts rather than aikido. I haven't seen anything like what you're describing.
Besides, having to do it correctly and succeeding in doing so have nothing to do with one another. If you hold a gun to my head and tell me I have to play the violin it's not going to give me the ability to do it, even though I "have to."
>>1387689
did he died?
>>1412024
punches and knives aren't comparable. There is no such thing as knife fights, only stabbings
>>1408676
>>bjj
>fucking where?
how about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27FH-nXP1xU
>>1395137
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrYUUIrR2o
Crazy ass chinks.
>>1416695
that looked like some authentic jujeessu, and also exposed the great dangers of ground fighting. How quickly his game got shut down by his friends interfering
>>1416825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkkwP8eQpcU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K4ycivDWBI
It's a meme desu ground fighters are more vulnerable because they can take kicks as well as punches, but outside interference can happen to anyone. and the people interfering in the video clearly just wanted to stop the fight.
might not be the smartest way to fight in a crowd as opposed to clinch fighting, but it can potentially be the safest way to take someone out. I don't think the white guy took a punch the whole fight, and he maintained full control even while getting pulled off his opponent. a clinch fighter can catch stronger punches if they can't set up a throw fast enough, and they can fuck themselves up along with their opponent if they botch a throw.
[spoiler]that said i'd still probably do a judo or wrestling throw in a fight before i resort to ground fighting[/spoiler] unless it's a really heavy guy
>>1417016
I don't think the kid in that first video actually knew what he was doing, looks to me like someone that saw a move done and assumed he knew how it worked but really didn't
>no grips
>no angle out
I think it was a smother situation more than a choke judging how quick the guy recovered
that second video was pretty funny though, guy yelled boom when he attacked...both times. Can't make that shit up
>>1387361
situational awareness + parkour + FMA + kickboxing/boxing/muay thai + judo/bjj/wrestling + defensive pistol training still won't beat a well-placed pipebomb
Judo and kickboxing would actually be a very good combo, especially if you add parkour, FMA, situational awareness, pistolcraft, and The Art of the Well-Placed Pipebomb.
>>1417636
a dog beats a pipe bomb
>>1417648
That may be so, but a dog cannot beat a well-placed pipebomb.
>>1387385
Not being drunk and walking alone at night in high heels. But plenty of college aged girls do this... Scares the shit out of me when my gf does it or if I have a daughter one day.
>>1417655
it can, nothing beats a dog + robot
>>1387396
Shut the fuck up. Obvious bait, but you need to apply yourself properly. I got my shit kicked in while sparring while boxing, but as soon as we had smaller gloves I wrecked. Broken hands be damned. I love the grappling game but boxing builds awesome depth perception, reflexes, and mechanics
>>1417670
A pipebomb can obliterate a dog and a robot without prior detection if properly placed. Nothing beats a well-placed pipebomb.
>autists unironically defending krav and tma
it's like I'm really back in 2005
>>1417740
The hiroshimoot nuke set our development back at least 11 years.
>>1417636
>kickboxing/boxing/muay thai + judo/bjj/wrestling
That's stupid. MMA is better.
>>1417756
Piss off, faggot.
>>1417752
We'll build it again
>>1417711
a doggo can always sniff out a bomb, then the robot will remove and detonate it at a safe distance. dog + robot is unbeatable
People saying "study striking because you cant grapple with a way bigger guy" are fucking assholes. If your tiny sister wants to defend herself in a worst case scenario, roundhouse kicking the guys thigh wont do shit. A grappling art like bjj will allow her to AVOID grappling with the guy and escape quickly with her technique.
>>1417757
MMA= mixed martial arts
Muay thai
It happens to be actually good suited for womans for all the hip movement and is basically the same that kick boxing
Boxing is a good option too
>>1418092
Solidarity my brother
>>1418253
If the pipebomb is well-placed, it will be out of the doggo's olfactory range, but still within lethal distance. Nothing beats a well-placed pipebomb.
>>1417804
nice ms paint skills
>>1418723
Most MMA is martial arts mixed for UFC competition, and usually has the same martial arts mixed into it. Those martial arts are Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling, and BJJ.
Then the less common but still common places add a little more of an emphasis on Karate, Taekwondo, and Judo.
Then the rest is special snowflake gyms like gyms that train true Mixed Martial Arts with little to no limitations on martial arts and application of martial arts.
Some special places have all the MMA competition training, along with weapons training from various martial arts, with FMA being the most popular with these minority but still prominent gyms. Some MMA gyms even incorporate Krav Maga.
>>1419457
>out of the doggo's olfactory range, but still within lethal distance
literally unplobable
