>Things aren’t good these days between Vince McMahon and The Undertaker. The Chairman has reached out to Taker about appearing at SummerSlam but isn’t getting a response. Undertaker has told those close to him that he doesn’t plan on wrestling again after Vince asked him to lose to Shane McMahon at Wrestlemania 32. He refused to do it and is currently not interested in making any further
appearances.
>Vince is trying to find a way to smooth things over, but Undertaker is ignoring him. His current contract with WWE only requires him to wrestle once a year to receive his downside guarantee so he will be paid for the rest of the year regardless of anything. If he decides not to compete next year, his contract will freeze similarly to Daniel Bryan. The idea is that since he is not working with WWE, they have the right to freeze his deal so that they can use him when something opens
up.
Based Taker BTFOing Vince
What, losing to Shane? Is he fucking insane?
>>1333054
Shit, knowing that the way they booked Shane afterwards this makes sense. He could've lay down for the guy as a kayfabe way of screwing Vince for calling him his bitch etc.
>>1333056
This is Vince "incest sells" McMahon we're talking about
>>1333054
>Vince is trying to find a way to smooth things over
I wonder what is it gonna take
Fuck Undertaker, easily the most overrated superstar in history.
>>1333054
>He refused to lose to Taker
What a fucking unprofessional bitch
I wish Vince had Brock tape his fists up
>>1333078
>to shane*
>>1333054
Sauce? Otherwise I'm calling BS on this, everyone says Taker is a pro and would lose to Shane if Vince wanted.
>>1333080
http://www.ringsidenews.com/wwe-news/the-undertaker-pissed-off-with-vince-mcmahon/
lrn2google nigga
Doesn't sound right to me. All reports indicated that Shane was coming only for a WrestleMania appearance so that means he would lose no matter what the stipulation is. Also I'm sure Shane is the first guy to refuse to go over Taker at Mania out of respect to the deadman. WWE would have looked way more stupid than they are if they had a non wrestler beat Taker at Mania when guys like Shawn, Triple H, Edge, Batista, etc. couldn't.
>>1333074
>Career in WWE lasting over 25 years
>Made the Undertaker his own
>Constantly reinvented a character many thought wouldn't last
>Has had numerous feud and matches of the year
>Took part in the greatest wrestlemania match off all time
>Wrestled even with secondary degree burns
G.O.A.T is an understatement
>>1333086
Way to copy and paste the first comment from the article
If you're the same person, you're a mark
>>1333086
Orton was approached with breaking the streak and refused out of respect. Quite a few others have as well, pretty sure they asked Kurt Angle.
>>1333094
BTFO
>>1333078
>making a man who specifically said he'd only lose at Mania to help younger guys get over lose twice in a row to old hats already over with the crowd.
He already accepted Lesnar, fuck Vince for trying it a second time.
>>1333103
>he already jobbed once, he shouldn't have to do it again
What the fuck did you say, nigger?
>Think this sounds like BS
>Google "Undertaker"
>First headline is a story about an actual undertaker who had to put a 3 year old in a coffin after a hit and run
Jesus.
>>1333110
>Texas
>>1333110
It was behind a pay wall at Wrestling news world until 2 hours ago.
WNW has legit scoops
>>1333108
>Forcing your best superstar to job to your good ole boys club for no reason
Fuck that, it's stupid for everybody except WWE marks who think the world falls out of Vince's retarded ass. That wouldn't have gone over with anybody.
They barely got away with Bork ending the streak. Shane O Mac beating Taker afterward would have send the ratings even further into the shitter.
Nobody wants to see the one of the best WWE wrestlers job to Vince's ego. Good on him for being the Harrison Ford to Vince's George Lucas.
>>1333128
Hi Michelle!
>>1333054
>Vince asked him to lose to Shane McMahon at Wrestlemania 32. He refused to do it
Wew lads I called this months ago and even sent in a mailbag question to meltzer for him to answer on his radio show and he said this wasn't the case.
>>1333141
this
>>1333141
>Wrong
>H-hi meme
RIP your argument.
>>1333143
>meltz
>knowing anything
Is that why they jury-rigged into this "Shane gets Raw anyway because of fan support" storyline? I legit thought that was so they could feed Vince's ego, because Steph and Shane begging him for control was better than Shane just getting it.
>>1333146
hey michelle what's taker opinion on jeff hardy?
>>1333149
Hey Vince. Don't you have some creative license to be destroying?
>>1333143
This. I was 100% sure Taker would lose and even told one betting guy to put his money on Shane.
This shit completely screwed me over.
>>1333151
Im not vince michelle now reply my question.
>>1333155
>I'm not Vince.
Whatever you say Vince! Why did you think Katie Vick was a good idea?
>>1333159
Hi Paul Bear... oh wait
>>1333159
>michelle on damage control
Just reply to my question, what does taker thinks of Jeff Hardy?
>>1333163
Him first. I'm bashful.
>>1333128
>Shane O Mac beating Taker afterward would have send the ratings even further into the shitter.
No it wouldn't have. In fact it might have made TV more interesting
>>1333163
white girls only sorry
>>1333168
Tell that to the fans almost going nuclear after Bork beat him the first time and the WWE having to go on full damage control.
Ah it starts.
>wrestler becomes a legend
>wrestler makes a living out of the career and fame
>all the respect he has for the business that made him big goes away
>starts taking fake fights seriously
>decides to take control and ruin it for everyone
Undertaker and HH should hang out more
>>1333123
The child's family.
>>1333173
It didn't affect the ratings
The only thing wrong with that is the match sucked. It was the worst Undertaker Mania match since King Kong Bundy
I mean, yeah, it was cool when Shane jumped off the cell but come on him actually beating Taker would've been pretty stupid.
Probably should've just had him put over Bray at WM31.
>>1333180
It would make sense storyline wise if it wasn't clean as a whistle.
Shane was supposed to win to get control of RAW. He lost. And... he has control of RAW, making the WM result irrelevant.
IF Shane won, no matter how it would be done, even with Taker just willingly giving up and letting Shane pin him, it would be more logical looking at what we have now. And it would mean Taker could finally git out and just fuck Michelle all day long while listening to Kid Rock
>>1333178
All of the best wrestlers are marks for themselves
>the state of wwe
Holy shit, has it gotten this bad since I stopped watching last month?
>>1333205
Saying ""No"" is not a viable argument, Carter.
Since they broke the streak they should just make Taker retire at that exact point, or just use him for some influential management role, mentor, whatever. His legacy already gets ruined by the appearances he still does despite being 51 years old, looking awful and barely being able to wrestle at all.
As I said, it wouldn't ruin his legacy if it was properly booked and explained.
should have lost to bray and retired. bray becomes the next phenom instead of jobber heel
>>1333097
Can't remember where, but I read that it was Taker who wanted to put Orton over and Vince killed it.
Never understood why Vince picked Lesnar to do it. He's a mid-30's part-timer, and the whole thing distracted from Byron's title win, which should have been the biggest story coming out of Maina.
I don't doubt for a second that Taker would have put Bray over at 31. That win would have made him.
>there are people ITT actually defending vince's idea to have taker job to shane
holy fuck even if you're only trolling this is a new level of shitpost
>>1333215
this
>this means no Cena-Taker at SS
>Which means no Cena-Reigns at WM
VINCE BTFO AGAIN, CENA WILL NEVER JOB
>>1333217
Because he's a moron coasting off successes that aren't fully his own or he stumbled on and doesn't have a shred of ring psychology.
He doesn't understand what the fans want or what works for his story anymore. He's just a tired old fossil doing whatever comes to his whims like a spoiled child. He has a hard on for Brock and always has. He'll let him have whatever he wants to keep his mercenary ass around.
>>1333223
This
Taker loves Vince way too much to hold a grduge forever, he'll get over it by WM 33, forcing Vince to do the Cena-Taker match there, he's simply trying to save us from Cena-Reigns at WM
B A S E D
>>1333178
>Ah it starts.
The dude's pushing 50. Is it possible for it to both start and end on the same day?
Besides, if this is true, it's nothing more than Taker protecting Vince from himself. Shane going over Taker would have been bullshit on every level. The whole thing could have been handled much better by having Vince sincerely acknowledge Shane's effort and dedication in the face of an impossible task, and using that as the reason he gave him Raw.
It would have been a little sappy, and I doubt Vince is a good enough actor to pull it off, but it would have made more sense than Shane winning or "loltwitter".
>>1333185
Someone missed the Mark Henry match.
>>1333234
>The whole thing could have been handled much better by having Vince sincerely acknowledge Shane's effort and dedication in the face of an impossible task, and using that as the reason he gave him Raw.
Or do it with Steph, it might actually give some credence to them trying to turn her face.
This is the only way the Shane/Taker aftermath makes any sense. Taker refused to job to Shane as Vince planned so they had to go with a last minute "Ah, shucks, Shane! I guess you can be in charge of Raw anyway even though you lost!"
I don't even care that you don't have a source, OP. I believe it.
>>1333239
Fucking tripfags.
>>1333168
>In fact it might have made TV more interesting
But the TV storylines are progressing as if Shane did beat Taker.
So it doesn't make a difference.
>>1333128
Do what you're told or you don't get paid, simple as that. I would've made Brock face Shane. He gets the job done when he's asked to.
>>1333173
>face taker jobbing to heel taker is the same as face shane beating heel taker
k.
>>1333074
Literally 18+
>>1333254
to heel lesnar*
>>1333054
>Vince asked him to lose to Shane McMahon at Wrestlemania 32. He refused to do it and is currently not interested in making any further
OP got worked
>>1333123
>>1333236
Undertaker vs. Henry at 22 was a solid match
>>1333123
>>1333054
I thought Taker was Vince's "guy"?
You know, that one guy in the workforce who can fix shit and is loyal to the end. I remember hearing a story where he walked in on Kurt Angle jokingly putting Vince in a headlock for a photo op and pulled Angle off Vince before subduing him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH4RzoREgHM
undertaker sucks now
>>1333078
>unprofessional
Taker is probably the only professional left in WWE. He's a seasoned pro who does everything in the old school way, but he's also earned a certain level of respect. Asking him to job to your son (who isn't even a pro and is past his prime) is ridiculous. Taker would happily job to improve the career of a younger upcoming wrestler (he's done so numerous times in the past), but Shane? Away to fuck, m8
>>1333405
Vince and Kurt were shoot wrestling in the locker room as was common then (vince loves them big guys) and woke up Taker in the process. Mark sees this and thinks Kurt is actually choking out Vince and knocks him the fuck out.
>>1333416
It was on a plane dumbfuck
>>1333411
this channel is gold
>>1333118
> it was a spic
And nothing of value was lost
>>1333123
Edgelord
>>1333141
ddon't talk shit about based McCool.
>>1333482
Hi Michelle!
>Work your ass off for 25 years with some of the worst wrestlers on the planet
>almost die in the ring for the sake of it
>get booked in a match with a fat neckbeard fedora wearing hippy instead of BASED Sting
>Work a HiaC match with a retarded gorilla in your 50's.
>and now get booked to lose to a son of the owner non-wrestler 46 years old gone for 10 years at the biggest Wrestlemania of all time
Who..WHO WOULDNT BE PISSED?
How in the flying fuck can you defend Shane and his retarded dad in this situation?
>>1333461
Bret Hart is more overrated than both, fuck off cuckboy
>>1333490
That girl is pretty ugly
>>1333493
So is sasha banks now kys
>>1333502
Fuck off Jeff you pig gutting cunt
>>1333461
Feels good knowing that no matter what I do or how I fuck up I'll never be as sad as a contrarian on 4chan.
>>1333506
He's a successful alpha male. What are you? A fat virgin?
>Hating on Based Taker
>being successful
Literally impossible
>>1333508
>"He's"
Don't even try bro.
>>1333493
Are you mad that Aryan goddess had rather get BLACKED than have sex with you whitey?
>>1333490
Sauce now
>>1333534
A blacked video.
I can recognize by the look of the scene
>>1333524
>some bottleblonde woman
>aryan
Hehe
>>1333532
>Still being bitter that he beat you at WM 29
Let it to go Punky and get ready to your UFC fight "soon"
>>1333054
who cares.
B+ player with a S+ gimmick.
>>1333548
After he started his American Badass run he turned he was way better than a "B+ player"
>>1333552
not really.
no one gave a shit about the undertaker when he changed his gimmick to that
>>1333548
>been consistently super-over for 26 years
>B+
>coming from the same retarded plebs who call Seth 'record low ratings' Rollins an A+
>>1333598
> unironically falling for memes twice
> posts kevin hash
I wish pain and misfortune upon your family
>>1333538
Yeah I gathered that
I want to know the exact chick, shes perfect for blacking
>>1333603
/wwe/ has by far the worst, most unfunny and retarded forced non-memes on this entire website
>>1333532
Fuck off Shitman shart
>>1333240
this.
>>1333524
Her face looks weird. That girl is ugly despite being white.
>>1333118
he left out the part where he overcharged for the coffin. the markup on that shit is criminal
>>1333153
>shane lost so you'd have to cheer for roman
>>1333222
>literally spent 40 minutes crawling around on his hands and knees
>"a lot left in the tank"
>>1333054
so that is why the match seemed so pointless
that is why vince let shane run the show regardless after wm32
because he was supposed to win all along and taker refused
gained a bit more respect for vince, would've been the right decision to have shane win and fuck taker for being such a baby about it
they joke about bret hart taking himself so seriously and refusing to do the job, and he's no better
retire old man
>>1333128
as others have said before, taker could've just layed down for shane as a fuck you to vince
>>1333217
>Never understood why Vince picked Lesnar to do it. He's a mid-30's part-timer
Because it was either Brock, or Roman.
What's that? Bray Wyatt and pass the torch of spooky wrestle to spooky wrestler?
Ha ha, you're funny.
>>1333155
>reply my
Sorry, I don't talk to spics.
>>1333054
God damn. What's the source? I want to know more about the telling Taker to job to Shane.
>>1333798
And disrespect the show and the fans further? It's already a shit situation to have the best in the business for 2 decades lose to a nonwrestler who didn't even want a fucking thing to do with the company for like 10 years, but then to just lay down wouldn't only hurt Vince, it'd hurt the Taker and just hurt the WWE period.
It's already hurting enough. This is the easiest way.
>>1333872
Your mom and sister do. Ever wondered why your brother doesn't look like your dad?
>>1333892
>ever wondered
Sorry, I don't talk to spics.
>>1333881
how would it hurt anyone?
>>1333907
You fucking idiot
>established superstar takes a dive against a fucking non wrestler to push some nonsense storyline
>Entire mystique of said superstar is ruined forever
>on the biggest stage of them all, WRESTLEMANIA, of all places as well
And did everyone just forget that Vince called Undertaker his bitch? Why would you have him go out like a bitch as well on top of all that? Fucking never be a part of creative in your life
>>1333971
how is undertaker going out like a bitch if he lays down for shane just to fuck off vince?
>undertaker isn't really losing, he's giving shane the win
>he sends a big fuck you to vince, vince gets pissed and says alright, this wasn't your last match at wm, next year you're gonna face blank, and I will put your career on the line, this is what you get for fucking with me
>undertaker doesn't look like vince's bitch
if anything, taker was harmed because he did vince's bidding
Undertaker laying down as a fuck you to Vince doesn't really work if it's just for more goddamn fucking McMahon drama. And him laying down period doesn't work either because he's the fucker Undertaker, if he WAS gonna go down, he'd make goddamn sure the other person earned it.
The Undertaker and all the people who've had the opportunity to break the streak but refused out of respect deserve better than to see him fed to more stupid McMahon family bullshit. If you're gonna do it,
1) You use it to put over a younger wrestler. Period. Not a non-wrestler, not some dude in his 40s, a younger wrestler, period.
2) If he's gonna do a fuck you to Vince, don't do something as simplistic as taking a dive. Have Vince try to interfere by sending somebody in to beat Taker's opponent senseless and Taker just fucking lays them out and tosses them out of the ring after they're beaten to a pulp, then he helps his opponent up and makes them earn the victory.
>>1333907
Because we know everything about this and how stupid it is and how bad the decision is.
Just look at how it stacks up.
>Taker has gone on record to say he wants his loss to put some young guy over.
>Multiple young guys deny it out of respect and understanding that it's not to be trifled with.
>Vince puts on his idiot hat and lets Bork break it so it gets off Taker's back and it gives mercenary mchuge something to distract from his roided tiny dick.
>Fans lose their shit and it was regarded as terrible from the get go.
>Dumb shit Vince again thinks it would be a good idea to make him lose at Mania, the thing they trumped up as his specialty.
>Now to his nonwrestling son, who fans know as the guy who told the company to fuck off for 10 years and then immediately comes back to beat Taker.
>Who would be laying down the whole time while fans immediately realize this was something that Taker didn't want to do and is now spitting in the face of Vince for.
>Taker's character is disgraced, the fans get pissy and quit, bottom line is hurt and respect for both parties is lost.
>>1333054
You can only do so much for loyalty before you must put your foot down. I guess Taker has had enough.
>>1334373
Amen to that brother
>>1333524
>had rather get BLACKED
except porn stars and regular whores alike hate working with black guys. it's not only bad work in itself but fans don't like it either.
the only ones that do like it are the Jewish producers, who usually trick talent into showing up for something else and then say "oh, it's really a black guy shoot today: if you don't agree you're fired and i'll make sure no one hires you again. you'll never be able to fund your meth habit."
see: James Deen threatening Stoya and publicly calling her a racist.
>>1333089
>secondary degree burns
>secondary
Jesus.
>>1333195
They SHOULD have had Shane hire someone to run in and help him. Even if he lost. Skinnyfat non-wrestler Shane straight up fighting the Undertaker 1v1 was preposterous on its face.
>>1333215
Underrated post
>>1333217
>Never understood why Vince picked Lesnar to do it. He's a mid-30's part-timer,
More importantly, he's a former UFC Heavyweight Champion and doesn't need more than daylight to look positively terrifying. Going over Taker was really unnecessary.
>the whole thing distracted from Byron's title win,
HA
Could you imagine Byron winning the title at Mania?
>all the fucking marks for Mark ITT
1) Mark fucking sucks. Before Vince gimmicked him by making him The Undertaker in WWF, Mark was a jobber.
2) Mark has never been THE GUY and with good reason. He was killing WWF with Bret Hitmanlet Hart before Steve Austin saved them.
3) Mark isn't even close to the top 10 big men in the ring. He's in the class of top 10 worst. When the only good matches you can say you've had are with Shawn Michales, it's because you suck.
4) Mark is every bit the politicking carney that Terry "WATCHA GONNA DO GAWKER?" Hogan. Prime example is what he did to one of the nicest, most over wrestlers of the 90's Diamond Dallas Page. Mark treated the young guys as badly as Bill DeMott. Mark's ego is huge. The only guy he believes was ever worthy to be "in his yard" is Brock Lesnar.
Now that that's out of the way...WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THIS? He already lost the streak so what does it matter losing to McMahon or anyone else at WM? He retired himself when he put Brock Lesnar over.
>>1334460
Based post
Taker also only puts over people who he knows are no threat to him like Khali & Kozlov and buries people like Orton, Batista, Punk, and Bray
>>1334472
>Orton and Batista
Both men refused to take down the Taker because they respect him because they're not shills for your overlord daddy Vinny Mac.
>>1334476
Taker only puts over people who are no threat to him. The only example otherwise is Lesnar in 2002 and that's questionable because Lesnar beat literally everyone and Taker wasn't the Deadman. As the Deadman he had no problem losing to people like Mabel, Great Khali and Big Show (in 2008) but couldn't let anyone who actually needed a rub beat him
>>1334488
>If I keep saying it it'll be true.
Whatever you say Vince.
>>1334493
>no rebuttal
Fucking Hogan in his 2002 run put over more people who actually needed it than Taker did his whole career kek
>>1334451
Lesnar was built as a monster to be beaten by Roman and make Roman the new megastar.
On Stone Cold podcast Vince said ending the streak was to build the next WM main event (thus wm 31), same reason he had Brock squash Cena and he would have had Brock squash Bryan if he didn't get injured. All of this so that Ramen wins the RR and becomes the new Superman after beating Brock.
Of course things didn't go as planned, because Roman is a talentless scrub that is hated by 90% of the crowd.
>inb4 Miz said he puts a lot of effort and the
>>1334502
he put over Rock, who certainly didn't need it and Brock
no fuck off
>>1334507
>Conveniently ignoring where he tapped out to Kurt Angle clean in the middle of the ring
kek
>>1334502
The guy literally spent the entirety of the 90s putting over Kane and Austin.
18+ to view this site.
>>1334512
>Austin
Just because he was his bitch and lost to him repeatedly doesn't mean that Austin needed the rub. If he never feuded with Taker ever nothing would have changed
>Kane
Yeah he really put him over beating him two PPVs in a row then another one three months later
>>1334509
another one who didn't need it at all
so it's just Brock
>>1334514
>He lost so he didn't get put over.
Yeah Kane was some big nobody after that.
>>1334512
Kane has jobbed to taker his entire career.
>>1334515
Kurt jobbed to Edge the PPV before, then he makes Hogan tap out for the first time ever (none of that verbal submission bullshit he pulled with Sting & Luger) and the next PPV he was back in the title picture.
Yeah Kurt definitely didn't need a rub
>>1334502
Who cares about putting over people.
How many people did Austin put over, how many did Shawn Michaels, The Rock?
The successful ones protected their brand and people remember them for it. Nobody gives a shit about your personal fave jabronis.
>>1334525
>Austin
Tapped out to Kurt and made Kurt a star
The Rock
Mankind
HHH
Shawn and Rock shouldn't even require a list. Rock lost the most out of anyone by far and Shawn was right behind him when he came back in the 00s run
>>1334527
Go on. List the guys they lost to when they needed the rub.
>The Rock, Mankind and Trip H needed rubs when they beat Austin.
Kek.
>>1334528
You didn't say when they needed the rub, you just said who did he put over. And the difference between Austin and Taker is Austin was had his run for 5 years and Taker has been around for 25. I'll give you Rock
>Mankind
>Kurt
>Hurricane (kek)
>Lesnar
>Jericho
And every triple threat/fatal 4 way/HIAC/tag team match he lost, he was the one who got pinned (Armageddon HIAC) because he wasn't a little bitch about it
>>1334522
Angle debuted in 1999 and won the first world title in 2000. Guess why he never really needed that much of a push?
>>1334525
>Rock
Has he really been gone that long that people forgot how much he lost as a top guy? That's why he was so great, he got pinned so much but stayed so fucking over regardless
>>1334532
>Implying Hurricane vs Rock feud wasn't gold.
reminder that by 2003 Hurricane had passed everyone but Rock and Austin in merc sales
yeah, above HHH, Taker, Angle, Hogan, etc.
>>1334534
Kurt was in mid card feuds with Kane & Edge and wasn't even on the card for the PPV two months before Hogan got him over again
>>1334525
Literally under the age required to view this site. I wouldn't be surprised if rocks w/l were sub 55. No one that reached his level put over as many people as rock did
>>1334540
He's 42-35 all time on PPVs (53%)
Rock was one of a kind
>>1334532
>Make it all about how it only matters when the person you lose to needed the win.
>Now starts adding guys who were already over as fuck and a literal who with Hurricane Helms.
>>1334543
see
>>1334532
That might look like a small list to you but then you remember that he was the one who got pinned every multi man match he was in. I mean shit he was like the only WWF top guy to job clean to a member of WCW/ECW (Dudley Boyz in a tables match). Yeah it was a handicap but how many times did you see Austin/Cena etc run through teams like nobodies?
>>1333071
Taker has made millions in wwe for almost 3 decades. Unless he is horrible with money, think he is financially okay. The guy just appears to be tired of Vince's bullshit.
>>1334547
>Mankind
First WWF title win, one of the biggest pops of all time
>Kurt
First WWF title win
>Lesnar
Was the first big name he beat after Flair (who was a jobber in WWE) and Jericho
>Jericho
Lost to him 3 times on PPV in 4 months, not like he just lost to him once and got his win back
You're right none of them needed the rub and became lesser stars than Kozlov, Khali, and Mabel
Understood
>>1334556
meant *Hogan, not Jericho for Brock
>>1334556
>Mankind wasn't over.
He was over before the Rock was even a blip on the WWF radar. He turned face for the direct fact that people loved the shit out of him, otherwise he was a pretty poor heel.
I'll give you Kurt.
Brock Lesnar didn't need to beat him, he was already over going into their match up. If he doesn't beat the Rock what changes about Brock?
Jericho was known for WCW and got huge pop the minute he even fucking showed up. He was over with the crowd before he even said two words to the Rock.
Source?
>>1334565
So winning your first WWF title doesn't mean anything now? It's not like belts didn't mean shit like now, Mankind winning one was a huge deal (see the rating) and got him over even more
It's not like Lesnar just "beat" Rock, he beat him so bad he (kayfabe) got sent packing for four months. That's a big deal
Jericho debuted and got a huge pop....then he was in feuds with Hardcore Holly, Chyna, & X-Pac. If you don't think beating Rock 3 times in four months doesn't make you a bigger star I don't know what to tell you
>>1334578
>Mankind winning one was a huge deal (see the rating)
You mean that time WCW announced Mankind was going to win, so everybody switched over for a few seconds, then went back to WCW?
>>1334565
Mankind was a lovable goof when he turned face again. Yeah he was loved but nobody thought he could win the big one ever.
>>1334580
>The final ratings for the night were 5.7 for Raw Is War and 5.0 for Nitro.
>After this episode, WCW's TV ratings steadily went down, only reaching a 5.0 rating or higher twice
Yeah it didn't mean anything in the long run
>>1334578
The fact of the matter is that Mankind was ALREADY over. He just got more so, he didn't need the rub. If he waited and won it from somebody else besides the Rock it wouldn't have meant shit.
Brock would have lost nothing if he hadn't beaten the Rock, you're trying to say if he didn't go to Hollywood it would have looked worse for Brock?
>Him beating the Rock made him more over because I said so.
He was already over before he even entered the building. Beating the Rock did good things, but it wasn't what MADE him over.
Bottom line, none of those guys needed the rub.
>>1334591
>If he waited and won it from somebody else who wasn't the top heel wrestler in the company it wouldn't have meant shit
Ok
>You're trying to say if he didn't go to Hollywood it would have looked worse for Brock?
Yes I am. He dominated the biggest star in the company at the time and you didn't see him again for four months. That legitimized him even more
>>1334451
>Could you imagine Byron winning the title at Mania?
Legit think JBL would pull out a gun and shoot him before he could.
>>1334598
>He had to beat the top heel to get over.
Of course he didn't, because he didn't have to because he was already over by then. He didn't even win clean.
>Yes I am.
Then you're going to say anything to make sure this geek point works when all these guys were over regardless of the Rock and the Rock put over as many people who needed the rub as the Taker.
>>1334606
He had Rock beat before Shamrock attacked him anyway so thats irrelevant
And fact is Lesnar went from beating geeks like Shawn Stasiak and Test to putting the top star of the company on the shelf for 4 months
>>1334587
There couldn't be any other possible reasons right? It was just Mankind
>>1334656
Considering WCW fans turned on WWF and saw "wow this is pretty good", then turned back on WCW and saw the fingerpoke of doom, yes. WCW was declining and them telling their fans to change the channel (and saw a better product) was the catalyst
>>1334660
Actually those who turned channel missed the Fingerpoke.
>>1334703
WCW was still on after Mankind won the belt
>>1333981
Because it would make Taker look human
>>1334460
>I call wrestlers by their real names
>jobbing Taker out to Shane, who has maybe 2 more matches in his career, tops
Literally why? Why not job Taker out to someone who could use that boost, and who has hundreds of matches left to wrestle?
>>1335243
They could have easily done that for Bray Wyatt, but Bray's entire career could be summarized thusly as: mishandled
HURR LET'S HAVE ONE OF OUR YOUNG UP AND COMING SUPERSTARS BE FEED TO THE UNDERTAKER SO HE CAN GET HIS WRESTLEMANIA WIN BACK AND *NOT* HAVE THE MATCH LITERALLY MILLIONS OF FANS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR WITH STING VS. UNDERTAKER AND INSTEAD HAVE STIN WRESTLE TRIPLE H, A MATCH NO ONE ASKED FOR, AND THEN OVERBOOK THE FUCK
Holy shit, I just forgot about that portion of WM31 too, fuck you for making me remember it happened god fucking damn it
>>1335279
Bray Wyatt is a shitty wrestler with a shitty gimmick
>>1335297
Your a manlet dweeb with a shitty life
>>1333123
stop hugging that bodypillow and meet real women you virgin neckbeard
>>1333089
>>Constantly reinvented a character many thought wouldn't last
so he made his intro longer every time?
SICK!
