Who is the greatest pro wrestler of all-time?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10106492
(Multiple-choice allowed. Vote for all who may apply.)
Almost bitched because no Tiger Mask II, then saw Misawa on the list.
>all this Stone Cold dick sucking
He could put on half decent matches before his big injury, then afterward couldn't wrestle for shit. You all only like him for his gimmick, and his gimmick is just that - a gimmick - a shallow little trick to help grab your ADHD attentions.
>>1251956
Toss up between Bret, Benoit and HBK
>>1252035
This
>>1252014
>uses fedora/bait image because can't come up with an actual counter argument
I voted for:
Bret
Bruno
Benoit
Bryan
Angle
Flair
Rock
Stone Cold
HBK
>people actually voted for Undertaker
most well known gimmick, but he couldn't cut a promo to save his life and most of his matches were terrible
>>1252080
Hi Bret
>>1250066
>no SashA+ option
Kill yourself you worthless fucking cunt
>>1252130
get a new gimmick
The undisputed G O A T
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>>1250066
Best worker of all time I go with Macho, most iconic character of all time is Taker.
>>1252135
I'm not a wrestler you dumb fraggle
>no Reigns
Stone GOAT and Heartbreak GOAT are cleaning house right now
Bret's like 10th place lol
>>1250066
>all those votes for benoit
How much is it because of the meme and how much is it because he was actually good? I never started watching wrestling until 2010 long after he died. Was he really that good?
>>1252755
yes he was easily a top 5 north american wrestler of all time
>>1252759
I thought he was canadian though? What made him so good? What matches should I watch of his?
>>1252766
pretty much any match he ever had from 99-04
he got better when he came to WWF
If you don't vote Hogan or Austin you're a mark
>>1252805
>or Austin
lol Stone Fag pleb detected. Austin isn't in the same league as the Hulkster.
>the state of gay mysterio
Shawn Michaels was the greatest showman
Greatest technician was Chris Benoit
Greatest mis-skills are still The Rock
Greatest list of feats goes to John Cena
Greatest feud was
>>1250066
Shawn michaels is the greatest wrestler of all time, but how come he was such a shitty draw?
>>1252917
Vince couldn't book worth a shit and nWo was rekking WWF.
>>1252917
> Shawn Michaels is the greatest wrestler of all time
Lol, nice meme Pajeet
Funny how he couldnt sell for shit, literally and figuratively
>>1252917
Vince literally gave him a male stripper gimmick
>>1252954
Kys bret cuck
While you cucks, kids and pajeets are fighting with each other, the real GOAT is winning.
>>1253025
Lol
He was a comedic jobber for most of his career in the wwe
>>1252917
Because no one wants to watch a prancing and preening rent boy other than gays and women
Like you
>>1253042
Mad he's the top voted right now bret cuck?
>>1252755
18+
Imo top 3 best in ring wrestler of all time alongside Bret and Dynamite, he could do everything
>>1253046
Someone must have posted this strawpoll onto indian facebook then
Im not mad, just makes me laugh at all the marks that believe the memes and vince shills
>>1252755
Great wrestler nothing else really.
Use to be one of my favorite wrestlers because he was a manlet like me but instantly DROPPED after the incident
>>1253058
>Someone must have posted this strawpoll onto indian facebook then
Indians loves brett cuck.
Being this upset.
Goldberg yourself my man
Daily reminder brethart was a terrible wrestler and bitter human being still keeps coming back to take vince's money for his balls cancer.
>>1252755
In-ring: 10/10
Personality: 2/10
Solid 8/10 IMO (in-ring ability is #1 in terms of importance, obviously). Benoit was great at elevating poorer workers, but was not great to use as "the guy".
Nowhere near GOAT if you consider mic ability, general charisma, etc., but a guy that would make any roster better.
>>1253063
> brett
Triggered 2bh
>>1253073
He was a 10/10 technician sure but he didnt have that any alltime great matches
He never elevated a diesel or other shitter to a 5 star match like real the GOAT did
>>1253081
He wasn't programmed with as many stiff as HBK though
Ric Flair
>>1253081
vs. Angle at the Royal Rumble
vs. HBK and HHH at WM
vs. Jericho (pick any of them, honestly)
w/ Angle vs. Edge/Mysterio
Any match vs. Eddie
Best of 5 series vs. Booker (great progression; matches need to be viewed all at once to really get it)
TLC 3
+all of his WCW, Japan, and original ECW stuff
Yeah, none of those matches were against plugs, but very few people have a comparable track record when it comes to match quality. I was never a Benoit guy, either, always choosing to root for Angle or Jericho as a kid.
>Bret Hart with only 25 votes
>Undertaker with only 23 votes
>Andre the FUCKING Giant with only 4 votes
What a joke.
>No Scott Steiner
>>1253093
> HBGay vs Diesel
> 5 star
Lol nice try HBFraggle
I was obviously talking about pic related aka the GOAT
>>1253098
We are talking about best wrestlers Beato you fat dwarf
Not best clowns
>>1253139
HBK-Diesel at GFBE is better than any Bret match ever
>>1253143
Not even worth a reply
You arent even trying anymore
>>1253139
What do you like about Bret so much?
If you liked him because of his 'shoot' style, Benoit and Dynamite Kid did it way better.
Even in-ring, guys like HBK could put on a more entertaining match on a consistent basis.
He had no personality, other than screaming "I'M THE BEST. I'M THE BEST" and throwing a bitch fit everytime he didn't get his way.
He didn't have the power and energy of Hogan, nor the humor of Roddy Piper, or the entertaining style of Flair. He was a basic ass generic technical wrestler. They even forced the shades and jacket to give him some personality.
>>1253148
no meming bud, only Bret-Austin at WM13 would I even consider
Where the fuck is Kobashi?
>>1250066
Best pro wrestler, as in just in-ring? I'd go DBry tbqh.
>no RVD
>no Arn Anderson
shit list desu
HBGay fags rigging the vote.
>>1251956
You are objectively wrong. Austin put on classic matches with Foley, Rock, Angle, Jericho, and Benoit all post injury. If you can't see this and don't consider him an all time great you are a fucking idiot and probably a moves mark who doesn't understand psychology or how to work a crowd.
>>1253027
...you don't know what a jobber is. Hint: its not someone who wins almost every title in the company in less than a year of debuting.
Why is this board so awful? You people make squared circle and wooo look god tier.
Fucking Dynamite Kid
>CM Punk
>35 votes
>Jake Roberts
>11 votes
Answer is Angle by the way. 10/10 wrestler, talker, and psychologist.
1. Bruiser Brody
2. Jerry Lawler
3. Arn Anderson
4. Dutch Mantel
5. Bobby Eaton
>>1254946
>greatest ever
>wasted most of his career with crappy matches in TNA.
>>1254962
Greatness isn't about longevity, it's about what you do at your peak. Angle's peak (2001-2006) was the best 5 year run in WWE history.
>>1252139
Ah yes, the Goa Toat.
>>1250066
>all these WWE marks not voting for Misawa
>>1255027
>voting for a literal who?
>>1255027
> Misawa
who?
>>1250066
No AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels
I voted Eddie Guerrero because he reminds of Sasha
>no Harley Race
>>1252755
All the matches in his best of seven feud with Booker T in WCW.
>>1254923
If you think those matches were "classic" you have a very narrow knowledge of what prowrestling can offer.
>>1253120
This tbqh fampai
>Kurt Angle top 5
>No Scott Steiner
I love it Maggle!
>>1255415
Didn't Austin and Rock pretty much invent finisher kickout spam at X7? While it ruined wrestling in a lot of ways, at the time it felt groundbreaking. It was only time they've had two absolute megastars at an almost equal level, so the perfect time to pull it off.
>>1255444
Don't you mean wm 19?
>>1255538
So you didn't watch X7?
>>1254929
9/10 subtle troll
>>1255444
Nah. Back in the early to mid 90s what the guys like Misawa and Kobashi would do is come up with new finishers after realizing that their old one wasn't as powerful (which then become signature moves.) So Misawa would do discus elbow, but then realized that isn't working so does Tiger Driver 94', then realized that isn't doing it so Emerald Flowsion happened. Same with Kobashi who had a powerful lariat, then Orange Crush, with his final ultra move being the Burning Hammer which has only been used around 6 or so times. "Finisher spam" in this way was not only done pre-Rock v SCSA, but also more interesting cuz this would mean that everyone would have to bring their REALLY BIG GUNS. All four wrestlers that composed the Four Pillars of the King's Road back then were booked like these crazy mythical characters trying huge shit.
>>1255918
This was in All Japan Pro Wrestling I forgot to post that my bad
>HBK in first place
What a joke. Guy holds the actual record low for WWE when he was champion. Worse than Seth, worse than Roman, worse than anyone else. He didn't even have an excuse like the Network, illegal streams, etc.
>>1255027
Bitch, I did.
>>1255918
why do none of these faggots nowadays mention Based Kawada? Easily the best in AJPW and all you hear is Misawa and Kobashi
I know this board is filled with 14 year olds who weren't even alive when Jericho debuted, but he is the GOAT.
>10/10 mic skills
>8/10 technical skills
>10/10 longevity
>10/10 ability to fill any role well (singles, tag team, face, heel, jobber, main eventer)
It's not even close.
>>1258436
>10/10 mic skills in WCW
>5/10 in WWE
>3/10 technical skills, typical Canadian indy fag with no offense (see Edge and Christian)
>10/10 longevity because he leaves to go tour with his shitty band
>ok he's good at that
>>1258442
>Lionsault
>Walls of Jericho
>Code Breaker
>No offense
>No popa pump
Pathetic list
>goat poll
>no goldberg
>>1252091
To be fair, the way 'Taker reinvented himself to be the best damn worker in wwe from 2006-2009 puts him up there imo
>>1258580
Undertaker was great then, but he wasn't better than ol' HB-Shizzle.
>>1258416
I mentioned the Four Pillars at the end. I only brought up Misawa cuz he's actually in this poll and Kobashi to show a secondary example to parallel the Misawa one.
>>1250066
>>1253220
18+
>>1253220
You're comparing him to guys that came around after he already put in his best work, and guys that were obviously inspired by his style. I do think Bret is a little overrated but he was not a generic technical wrestler in terms of 80's working. He was a clear stand out over the rest of his generation.
>>1253790
>Expecting /asp/ies to know fuck all about wrestling outside the DUBYA
>>1253220
You notice how AJ carried Roman to a good match on Payback? Bret could do that with ANYONE. Bret is the god tier "can work with anyone anytime" guy.
There was once this awful wrestler that Vince wanted to be the next Hogan named Tom Magee. Vince goes to Bret and is like "I trust you a lot and I love you so put him over and make him look good". Bret does exactly that, and Vince is like "oh shit I got my next Champion!" But then when Magee worked with any other wrestler he looked embarrassing. So embarrassing that you can't find Magee's matches at Development for watching/studying purposes (the only ones apparently that you can't.)
The ability to make someone as bad as Tom Magee look good, or really any wrestler that wrestled him look good, is a very underrated ability, and overall Bret's the very best at working with others like that.
It's also why Bret-Austin matches in general were so good since by that time Austin could only do generic brawling due to Neck Injury.
>No Ryback
>>1252035
>>1252091
>>1252906
>>1253073
>>1253107
>>1253220
>>1254923
To all you sick fucks voting for Benoit, he was a murder so therefore automatically disqualified from this discussion, end of story. The only thing he will be elevating is his casket 6 feet into the grounds of hell and being tortured by things far worse than you or I can comprehend. Jim Ross summed it up best 'Benoit should be erased from history and never brought up again'
Before you decide to bring him up again, just remember to..
[K]now
[Y]our
[S]ituation
>>1253025
Watch out for that "black ice" Kurt... You might slide off the road again.
>>1261863
Honestly the whole Benoit situation is a tragedy. I wouldn't be surprised if someone in WWE was losing sleep over it all the time.
>>1261863
Jim Ross is a cuck.
Benoit's work in that squared circle will always be GOAT-tier. and nothing he ever did outside the ring will erase it.
>>1261897
>does anyone else find it hard to watch his matches?
I don't find it any harder than it was before. I can separate the real person from the wrestling character.
>tfw dominating the poll
>>1262047
>I rank in ring skill highly
>>1262053
> I watch for the mandrama
You also watch porn for the plot don't you?
>>1262053
i rate "Butthurt Caused"
HBK is tops in that category
>>1255415
Hogan v rock faggot
>>1252917
Post back injury?
>>1253039
Wwe Cuck
>>1258469
>no liontamer?
It's past your bed time
Mr. Wrestlemania is dominating
The best
>>1262396
kys
>tfw he's winning by over 50
Bunch of fucking plebes.
You do realize that there is an entire world of wrestling outside of the WWE bubble, right?
This man, right fucking here. If you have never seen a Misawa vs Kobashi match, then you know nothing about Pro Wrestling.
>>1262416
how about you get the fuck out of here and go back to /wooo/
How about you educate yourself about the history of Professional Wrestling outside of that which Vince McMahon wants you to believe.
>>1262416
Misawa has 2% of the votes. What is your point, weebfriend?
>>1262416
I've seen Misawa vs. Kobashi. It doesn't have shit on Michaels vs. Austin 1996 fancam. Eat shit nigger.
Reminder that Austin considers Michaels to be the GOAT
>>1262439
Reminder that Michaels considers himself to be the GOAT
I guess we're all decided then.
>>1262435
>it doesn't have shit on Austin v Michaels 1996
Lololol what a joke.
Michaels? The GOAT? Is this place especially stupid today?
>1.8 RECORD LOW rating when champ
>Has a habit of overselling his moves the way Ziggler does (which he probably copied from HBK)
>Not all that technical, sorta sloppy, and not a huge variety in moveset
>Had a character which itself was kinda boring, and hasn't had any interesting moments on the mic outside that one Montreal speech
>Was an asshole for the vast majority of his career. Finding Jesus isn't insta redemption from everything. Bet his niggerific ass never said sorry to Vader, probs just Bret.
>Has easily some of the most overrated matches in history. Ladder match has aged badly. His iron man match with Bret was good because of Bret, while Shawn really made the whole thing drag rather than flow. HIAC with Taker was only good cuz Kane. WM 25 was sloppy as all hell and they botched a lot. WM 26 was less botchy but the moves were a lot less interesting.
I wonder if SCSA or HBK is more overrated.
Dave Meltzer told me Flair is the best
>>1262790
18+
Reminder that Shawn Michaels vs Hulk Hogan dream match for the fans was treated as an absolute joke by Shawn Michaels and ruined a potentially amazing match due to his unprofessional behavior and therefore is disqualified from any future discussion.
>>1262790
t. butt hurt
Shawn Michaels was a fantastic in-ring performer, but not the greatest man in pro wrestling. He was a jerk.
It's disappointing "fans" would be so quick to vote for HBK in a poll like this without considering the person that he was. Yes, he could put on a great show, but so could many others. Ric Flair, Undertaker, Stone Cold, Ricky Steamboat, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, Randy Savage, and Daniel Bryan could all perform just as well as HBK. Except they were nice guys who had a code of honor. They treated other performers with respect.
I won't take anything away from Shawn Michaels' in-ring abilities, but to call him the greatest, after knowing what kind of man he was, is silly.
>>1264162
okay?
People voted for chris benoit too and he's the worst person in the poll
>Including Misawa but not the other 3 pillars who were objectively better than him
wew lad
>>1252766
Canada is part of north America retard.
Seperate the Art from the artist you faggot. Shawn Michaels is the greatest performer in the history of the world. Not just in wrestling, but in entertainment. Show some respect clownshoes.
>>1264052
>unprofessional behavior
There was meant to be three matches but Hogan refused to lose, so Michaels turned what was probably going to be not a great match (seeing as Hogan is a shit wrestler) into something entertaining
>>1252755
He was boring in the ring and out. You didnt miss anything.
>>1264162
Great doesn't mean good or nice you faggot, it means great
>>1264052
That was fucking hilarious. Shawn is fucking hilarious. If you don' t accept he is the GOAT you should just stop watching.
>>1264188
>Great means great
Exactly. And Shawn Michaels was a not a "great" person. To be the best, it takes more than just performing in the ring. There's a lot more that goes with it. Respect. Honor. Wanting to do the right things for the business that made you a star. And if you don't have these qualities, it takes away from your ring work, because fans won't believe in you.
>>1264183
>Shawn Michaels is the greatest performer in the history of the world. Not just in wrestling, but in entertainment.
Nice troll. You're probably a Bret mark trying to get some heat for HBK.
>>1264184
>There was meant to be three matches but Hogan refused
Yes. Because Michaels acted so unprofessionally. Shawn admitted he did so in an interview a couple years ago. Which demonstrates how much he cares about the fans. If you're GOAT, you should care about your fans.
>>1264216
>There's a lot more that goes with it. Respect. Honor. Wanting to do the right things for the business that made you a star.
No, that shit is behind the scenes and nobody gives a shit about that, we care about what we see in the ring.
>Yes. Because Michaels acted so unprofessionally.
No, it was because even though he was old and a part timer, he still didn't want to put Michaels over
>>1264341
>No, that shit is behind the scenes and nobody gives a shit about that, we care about what we see in the ring.
Fans care about what happens behind the scenes. Why do you think wrestling documentaries and shoot interviews are so popular?
>Even though Hogan was old and a part timer, he still didn't want to put Michaels over
Hogan was set to win the first match, and Michaels would have won the second match. Then there would have been a third match. Who knows which guy would have won, because neither performer likes to lose.
Who was the top guy in WWE in 1996? Shawn Michaels. He was the WWE Champion for most of the year, but he was a terrible draw. The company lost a reported $6 million from May 1996 to April 1997, which was the time Michaels was clearly on top.
WWE really started to grow as a company in early 1998 while Michaels was the heel champion facing off with Steve Austin. WrestleMania 14 was a huge success with Michaels dropping the WWE Title to Austin and it was boosted by the inclusion of Mike Tyson. The thing is, WWE grew even bigger after WrestleMania in 1998 with Austin as the clear top guy and they even surpassed WCW in the ratings after losing to them for nearly two full years.
In honor of HBGay, here's the top 15 times he was a dick.
http://www.thesportster.com/wrestling/top-15-times-shawn-michaels-was-a-jerk/
Enjoy!
This thread made me realize that we will never have a larger than life wrestler ever again.
No more Hogans, no more Rocks, no more Austins.
The last time we had something close to that level was CM Punk, and Daniel Bryan (who was just a catchy meme chant and solid in-ring performer) Guys like Rollins and Zayn are incredibly talented in the ring, but that's just it tho.
>>1264351
>Fans care about what happens behind the scenes. Why do you think wrestling documentaries and shoot interviews are so popular?
Fans care 100x more about what happens in the ring. Nobody gives a shit about Austin beating his wife do they?
>Hogan was set to win the first match, and Michaels would have won the second match. Then there would have been a third match. Who knows which guy would have won, because neither performer likes to lose.
Michaels would have, but Hogan refused to do it, which is why there was only one match
>>1264362
>The company lost a reported $6 million from May 1996 to April 1997,
There was something else happening in wrestling during that timeframe, something big...but I just have No Way Of knowing what it was...
>>1264393
The landscape of the business at the time helped. They are nowhere near as popular as they used to be so nothing and nobody can feel remotely as grand.
>>1264400
>There was something else happening in wrestling during that timeframe, something big
Bret Hart wasn't around. Good eye for pointing that out.
>>1264393
>This thread made me realize that The WWE will never have a larger than life wrestler ever again.
Fixed. Leave this neutered, sterile company to die. Go watch LU or something
>>1264406
> Bret Hart wasn't around from November 1996 on
Why must anti-Hitman shitposters be so dumb?
>>1264398
>Fans care 100x more about what happens in the ring
You just admitted fans care "more" about what happens in the ring. Which implies they care what happens behind the scenes to a certain extent.
Earlier, you said fans didn't care at all. You have contradicted yourself.
>Hogan refused to do it
Yes. Because Michaels acted so unprofessionally. Shawn admitted he did so in an interview a couple years ago. Which demonstrates how much he cares about the fans. If you're GOAT, you should care about your fans.
>>1264427
And so I suppose you think the greatest wrestler of all time should not be decided on anything like wrestling or talking ability, but by how good of a person they are?
>>1264415
Bret Hart wasn't in WWE for the biggest part of 1996, during the time Michaels bombed as champion.
>>1264415
I think he was pointing out that Shawn's all time record low happened when Bret was taking time off
>>1264432
>And so I suppose you think the greatest wrestler of all time should not be decided on anything like wrestling or talking ability, but by how good of a person they are?
It plays a factor, yes. The GOAT should be the total package. Wrestling abilities, mic skills, and how well they respect others should all come into play.
>>1264439
And so if someone has overwhelming Charisma and Wrestling ability, it is completely negated by them being an asshole?
>>1264449
>And so if someone has overwhelming Charisma and Wrestling ability, it is completely negated by them being an asshole?
It takes away from them. It doesn't completely destroy their legacy, but respect a big factor in the wrestling business. And when you lose your respect, you lose an element of what makes you great.
>>1264457
And so if you values some Wrestling ability an charisma so much, despite them being an asshole, you can think they still outweigh everyone else?
>>1264459
>And so if you values some Wrestling ability an charisma so much, despite them being an asshole, you can think they still outweigh everyone else?
Hard to say. I've lived a pretty tough life and dealt with my share of bad people, so for me, respect is always a big deal.
You could argue someone with great in-ring skills and charisma belongs in the top 10, or 20, but the GOAT should be just that -- the full package.
>>1264467
Nobody has the full package. The best of all time is the best of what we have. If everybody were rapists and murderers, those are who we would have to pick from.
>>1264472
>Nobody has the full package.
Debatable. Let's take Ric Flair, for example. Ranks very high as an in-ring performer, as well as charisma. So does Shawn Michaels. But Flair loved to do what's right for business, unlike HBK. So that gives Flair more "points" to his overall score. Making him a contender for GOAT.
>>1264475
You're joking right? Everybody shits on Flair for being an asshole in real life, as well as apparently being two-faced backstage, using backstage politics whenever he could. Not as bad as Michaels, but far from good.
>>1264477
>Flair used backstage politics whenever he could
Ric Flair's legacy is putting guys over, and making them look like a million dollars.
>>1264482
So? That doesn't make him any better in the ring or on the mic and so it shouldn't matter. Its like calling Mel Gibson a shitty actor because he hates Jews. We should be judging the character, not the person.
>>1264483
>So? That doesn't make him any better in the ring or on the mic and so it shouldn't matter.
Fans "believing" in the performer has always played a major role in someone getting over. Look at Daniel Bryan. Not the biggest guy, and doesn't have Hollywood looks like The Rock. Yet, fans pushed for him, because they loved him, admired his wrestling skills, and respected him.
Just imagine if Daniel Bryan had mistreated the poor boy with cancer. Do you think fans would have stayed behind him?
>>1264491
And yet plenty of people feel that way about Shawn Michaels, despite the fact that he's an asshole. Is that some sort of magical phenomenon?
>>1264494
>And yet plenty of people feel that way about Shawn Michaels, despite the fact that he's an asshole
Exactly. And if they knew what kind of man he was (and many do), they would lose respect for him -- making it harder for them to care about what he does.
Think of it this way: Shawn Michaels was a great wrestler, yet so many people still hate the very sight of him and do not wish to see him perform, simply because of how he treated the business. Proving in-ring skill isn't everything.
>>1264505
No, not many people feel that way, only some hardcore bratmarks do, he still got a huge pop at WM32
>>1264509
>not many people feel that way, only smarks do
Smarks were the loyal fans who were buying all the pay-per views. And just because most fans have no idea how much of an asshole HBK is, that still doesn't make him a better person, nor should it give him more respect.
Fans are the most important aspect of the business. So when you don't do what's right for business, you don't do what's right for the fans.
>>1264520
I don't care at all about respect, HBK entertained me more than any other wrestler in history., I don't care if he gives 0 shits about me.
>>1264524
>I don't care if he gives 0 shits about me
Sad to read this. You, and other fans, are the reason he was a star.
>>1264530
So? If we only gave nice guys pushes and ignored other aspects then we would get really shitty wrestling.
>>1264533
>So? If we only gave nice guys pushes and ignored other aspects then we would get really shitty wrestling.
True. Which is why we should push nice guys who are also good wrestlers with some charisma.
>>1264537
Which would result in a severe lack of talent
>>1264541
>Which would result in a severe lack of talent
Not so much, because then you wouldn't have all the assholes who bury and hold back other performers.
>>1264545
The majority of wrestlers are assholes and the majority of them don't bury. If you only hired the complete package we would have like 10 guys to watch every week.
>>1250066
wheres carlito?
>>1264549
>majority of wrestlers are assholes and the majority of them don't bury
Burying is one of the worst asshole traits there are. True that not every asshole has this quality, but most of them probably do. If you're an asshole, you wouldn't care to step on someone to get ahead.
>If you only hired the complete package
No one said to only hire guys who are the complete package in terms of being a 10 in every regard.
Hire nice guys who are talented. They will work to get other guys over, instead of burying them, to make a better product. Simple.
>>1264565
But why? If an amazing wrestler is an asshole and puts himself over shitty guys who are nice, who am I to complain?
>>1264580
>If an amazing wrestler is an asshole and puts himself over shitty guys who are nice, who am I to complain?
Because they would also bury guys who are not shitty. Causing the product to suffer.
>>1264585
Now tell me, who has Shawn Michaels buried?
>>1264592
>who has Shawn Michaels buried?
*Screwed Tatanka out of IC title
*Acted unprofessional to Hulk Hogan ending a three-match run
*Kevin Nash claims Shawn Michaels' knee injury was fake. Which means he worked his knee to not put Bret Hart over at WrestleMania
*Refused to put Davey over
*Held down Vader
And this isn't counting all the ones he "tried" to bury, but failed. Shawn caused a lot of problems, and hurt the product. Great performers were held back, and fans were denied of matches because of him.
If you want to know more, just search for HBK horror stories.
>>1264610
Wow, Tatanka, definitely a better wrestler than Michaels right. And Hogan? He didn't get anywhere because of Michaels. I really don't give a shit about Hart because the "First you go over then I go over" is predictable and boring, Davey and Vader are also worse wrestlers than Michaels, and if he didn't stay champ we wouldn't have got great matches with Taker and Austin
>>1264615
>Wow, Tatanka, definitely a better wrestler than Michaels right. And Hogan? He didn't get anywhere because of Michaels. I really don't give a shit about Hart because the "First you go over then I go over" is predictable and boring, Davey and Vader are also worse wrestlers than Michaels, and if he didn't stay champ we wouldn't have got great matches with Taker and Austin
Not better wrestlers than Michaels, no. But still entertaining performers who fans were interested in. And HBK screwed them over, therefore denying fans of what they wanted. Therefore hurting business.
Think. If you're an amazing wrestler, why do you need to bury other guys to get ahead? If you're the GOAT, you wouldn't have to.
>>1264622
Because wrestlers don't write their own storylines, and as we see today, creative is burying good wrestlers and putting Reigns on top.
>>1264623
>as we see today, creative is burying good wrestlers and putting Reigns on top.
Exactly. You see the negative effects of how burying good wrestlers hurts the product.
>>1264627
And that's creatives fault. All Michaels did was bury inferior wrestlers and it produced better matches with better guys (Bad Blood 97, WM14)
>>1264623
That depends on the promotion and time. They're generally not supposed to write their own shit, but it happens far more than it should even when the promoter isn't WCW-level dumb and remembers not to put creative control in anyones contract.
Michaels was pretty infamous for trying to get shit changed via politicking or just straight up saying "do this or I'm getting a doctor to sign off on my injuries and staying home".
>>1264629
>All Michaels did was bury inferior wrestlers
Inferior, but still top talents like Britsih Bulldog and Vader. And he could have still wrestled Taker and Austin at those events you mentioned without burying other guys.
>>1264637
The top guy needs to look strong or else he isn't the top guy. What kind of believable champ would lose to Vader and British Bulldog at house shows? They should have been facing other mid carders instead.
>>1264641
>The top guy needs to look strong
I agree. But don't bury other guys, end possible feuds and dream matches, etc. Fans loved HBK vs. Hulk Hogan, but Michaels squashed the feud. He admitted to provoking Hogan during the match in an interview a couple years ago. And Hogan stated he would have continued to work with Michaels if he had not done so.
Thank goodness he wouldn't put Bret over at WrestleMania. They at least gave us Austin versus Bret.
>>1264644
>And Hogan stated he would have continued to work with Michaels if he had not done so.
Hogan has also stated that he never did any backstage politics, its far more widely believed that Hogan was the main reason the feud never went anywhere
>>1264646
>Hogan has also stated that he never did any backstage politics, its far more widely believed that Hogan was the main reason the feud never went anywhere
Michaels already admitted he provoked Hogan at SummerSlam. And that was the reason Hogan ditched the feud.
>>1264652
The feud was ditched before SummerSlam, which is why Michaels acted the way he did.
>>1264646
https://youtu.be/3GnmBF1U0I8
>>1264655
>The feud was ditched before SummerSlam
And Hogan claims the feud was ditched after SummerSlam, because of the way Shawn acted.
>>1264656
Sounds like he says that Hogan did back out last minute before in provocation
>>1264665
>Sounds like he says that Hogan did back out last minute before in provocation
Yes. And Hogan tells a different story. Between the two of them, who knows who is telling the truth because both men have histories of being liars.
However, it proves one thing. Whether it was Hogan's fault, or Michaels' fault, playing politics screwed the fans out of an amazing feud. Which proves such antics hurt the business.
Again, if you're the GOAT, you would never have to resort to such low ways.
>>1264671
But it wouldn't have been a great feud, seeing as Hogan is a pretty shitty wrestler. The only entertaining part of that match was Michaels being an idiot.
>>1264682
>But it wouldn't have been a great feud
That's your opinion. Fans were invested in the feud.
>>1250066
>Over 1700 votes
>63 unique IPs in thread
Even accounting for lurkers that don't post that is laughably blatant samefagging on a massive scale. Holy shit, lol.
>>1252755
he was unreal
watching him work after everything that happened is very depressing
there's a reason his murder/suicide was such a big deal
>>1252755
Only man to get best Wrestler and Brawler in the same year
>>1264475
> flair loves to do whats right for business
Like take his 'beloved' NWA title to the WWF, shit the WWF up so badly that he gets sacked and refuses to put the up and coming hitman over on tv?
> flair ranks very high as an in-ring performer
Oh, its a troll post
Nevermind
>>1264820
>shit the WWF up so badly that he gets sacked and refuses to put the up and coming hitman over on tv?
That's not at all what happened. Please join reality.
>>1264820
>Like take his 'beloved' NWA title to the WWF
Just how Vince was worried about his belt showing up on WCW television. Would have served the bastard right.
>>1264714
>Over 1700 votes
>63 unique IPs in thread
>Even accounting for lurkers that don't post that is laughably blatant samefagging on a massive scale.
HBK fans are just like the wrestler himself. Paranoid and dishonest to get ahead.
>>1264472
Savage was the full package tho
>>1264472
>Nobody has the full package
Shawn isn't the GOAT
He tried to bury the real GOAT (SCSA) at WM14 before Taker had to threaten to kick his ass
Lots of triggered niggers in this thread
>>1265223
kys
>>1265227
>Bret losing to Cuck Manlet Punk
I'd be devastated too
>>1264843
What happened then pham? he didnt get 'sacked' de facto but he got forced out because Vince realised what an utter fraud he was when he saw how much Flair shit the place up.
And he did refuse to pass the title on tv, thats why the title change happened at a house show
>>1265502
> admits to not even knowing what happened
> continues to ramble on about his delusions
Bret cucks on suicide watch lmao
Voted Hogan and Ric Flair. Any faggots who voted CM Chump or Manlet Bryan kys
>>1265538
Ive just told you what happens, everyone kows
Im asking for your skewed take on it so i can laugh at you
>>1265575
>on suicide watch lmao
HBGay marks think suicide is hilarious. Like when Candido almost killed himself.
>>1265598
Why are bretcucks so sensitive?
>>1265696
>Why are Bret Hart fans so compassionate?
Fixed that for you.
>>1265842
>>1265938
Who is the other guy? Looks like the slimy dude that stitches up Mel Gibson in Payback
>>1265949
That's Bret Hart senpai
>>1266089
kek
>>1266237
Really?
You seriously thought that was worth a kekpost?
Fuck off back to Applesteve's thread you chortling cunt
>>1266342
>Bretcucks can't handle the bants
Taking after your prostate-less leader I see
