Historical European Martial Arts Thread
Please keep it kind and on topic. Also no SCA/Reenactment/HMB please.
Essential Information:
http://www.communitywalk.com/user/view/81443
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=619536
http://hemaalliance.com/?page_id=686
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.hroarr.com/
http://www.middleages.hu/english/martialarts/treatise_database.php
old thread >>1181768
>>1241154
On this topic, is the CS buckler like the only thing ever from Cold Steel that is actually pretty damn good for HEMA?
What's the difference between knife fighting and dagger fighting? As far as I know, knife fighting is about staying in a close guard and slash whatever the opponent let out of his guard, while dagger fighting is basically wrestling with a pointy (and sometimes sharp) short weapon, but I don't know much so I'm probably wrong. Can anyone help me?
>>1241165
>>1241170
You really shouldn't just straight block pollaxe strike, you know. And why is there red dye all over the place?
>>1241218
According to the video that screenshot come from, is just to make more visible the damage it received.
>>1241915
Wow, congratulations, you sharpened a knife, welcome to the grown ups.
>>1241154
Anybody been training this weekend?
>skipped training again, went to fingerfuck some historic blades at an antique shop
>That Epee de ville
>Them caucasian blades
What do you folks think of rashguards?
Are there any sources for the big German two-handers that apparently shouldn't be called zweihanders? I know there's at least a little bit for the montante, but I wasn't sure if that was the same as the German stuff or not.
And what is the generic term for the really big two-handers, Italian, German, or otherwise? Great sword?
>>1244191
For wrestling? Good idea! Other than that, they are not really needed in HEMA.
>>1244577
There is no generic term, and a German Renaissance Bidenhänder handles quite different to a Montante, it is a different beast. Also afaik there are no dedicated Bidenhänder manuals from the German school, just generic long sword techniques.
>>1241154
Got a somehow serious question for (you). I'm currently an amateur-ish translation and the problem of letting some key words untranslated is hitting me. I would normally be on the team of "we should let some words in the original language because translation is always interpretation and we risk to lose some meanings in the translation", I've done some eastern martial arts before and I know that sometimes, translating the names of techniques is just detrimental. Now the translation I'm making right now doesn't have that much gaps between the two languages (italian to french), some technical words are fairly close to each other and even the french fencing texts had italian translations into them, so I see no reason not to use those appropriate (or at least sensible) translations. Nonetheless, some translations aren't as crystal clear and I'm still balancing on the issue of translating everything or only a part or in fact nothing of the very technical stuff (blows, guards, key concepts).
Now I've come across the very legitimate concern that not translating certain words highlight them and give them maybe more importance and meaning than they actually had in the original texts. Maybe, I think that this concept is very important and I should keep it in the original language but in fact... the author wouldn't actually care about this specific word, hell he perhaps would have used another word that is just as pertinent.
So here I am at some sort of crossroads and since I would like to have as many opinions as possible... And since we are posting period pieces.
>>1244861
Sounds like you're not in a very good position to make that choice. Get some people on board who actually know the text and have trained with it; let them comment on the importance of those particular terms.
>>1241167
As far as HEMA goes I'm pretty sure there is only dagger fighting. The only knife fighting I can think of offhand is Bowie (I guess it's European in the ethnic sense) in which case you're essentially correct knives have much more slashing than the dagger sources especially the main ones HEMA folk would use since the Rondel dagger would be abysmal for slashing especially someone dressed to fight in the Middle Ages and I think it's this idea that effects the difference more than the weapon.
Even the latest HEMA sources from the 20th century are essentially the dagger plays only they specify more slashing at extremities (and murder).
Now remember the layout of most medieval manuals mind you... Dagger is usually at the back after a students learned at least one kind of swordfighting and the manuals often don't repeat techniques a students learned with another weapon. So it's possible they thought slashing and cutting wasn't worth mentioning and where they fighting a duel with only daggers it would have looked much more like other dagger fighting than HEMA demos with our curious entries.
>>1244949
>>1241167
There's much cutting in Italian tradition with the dagger.
Plus, some actual knife fighting was probably actually practiced, although almost absent in currently known tretises (pic from Cluny Fechtbuch)
>>1244861
I'd rather keep the original word and maybe add a note, a glossary, or brackets to include the current language translation. but that's just my opinion on that
>>1244949
>The only knife fighting I can think of offhand is Bowie
Bowie knife fighting is uniquely American I think.
I know there isn't any knife treatise, I was thinking about traditional knife fighting systems.
>>1246427
Yea but I've seen it occasionally at HEMA events.
nice "" community ""
>>1252744
>traditional knife fighting systems
i think there is some sicilian stuff, thought its mostly stabbing people in the chest, less cuts
Thinking of getting started with HEMA, can somebody give a rundown of London clubs? Which ones are good, what are they like?
>>1253956
I know two, both good AFAIK (though i've never been to either, just seen their videos):
Schola Gladiatoria, run by Matt Easton, the bald context guy:
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt14YOvYhd5FCGCwcjhrOdA
And London Longsword Academy run by Dave Rawlings, the bald, mustached, sweary guy:
http://www.londonlongsword.com
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyaFDuz2CPsOMZtK5LOwTxw
>>1244577
No German sources specifically are currently known. It was very much a specifically battlefield weapon, and thus something taught person-to-person.
>>1241165
My friend works in a steel shop and made one almost exactly like this with like $5 worth of materials.
Buy a sheet of steel and hammer/roll yourself.
Cheaper and cooler.
I'm having a hard time finding some affordable daggers for cut and thrust combat. Wanna give me some links?
I want it to be pretty flexible. Able to use with only a gambison.
>>1258737
What about the heat treatment? It isn't something most of the people can do on their own.
>>1258756
Regenyei or Danelli
>>1258971
No need to heat threat bucklers.
>>1258737
Honestly, looking cool is not one of my main goals, safety and longevity are far higher on my prio list
>>1258756
Rolled newspapper wrapped with tape. Seriously, a short metal weapon will be inflexible and inherently dangerous, thats why no one makes feder daggers and everybody uses just some simulators. Main gauche are possible exceptions.
>>1259079
>No need to heat threat bucklers.
Then it will look like a crashed car after a few hours of sparring.
>>1259091
Thats the fate of all bucklers. Besides that, afaik every buckler for sale is not heat threated, and usually they stand up to years of use and abuse.
>>1259091
Why so? In I.33 style of fencing people are supposed to parry mainly with their sword, are they not? Being the buckler more a hand protecting tool than an actual shield made to receive heavy blows it shouldn't suffer that severe damages, theoretically speaking. Is it that different in other s&b styles?
>>1259098
On a side note, I.33 bucklers where mainly wood and rawhide.
>>1259098
Anon never said what he's going to do with bucklers. If they are for I.33 you're mostly right, but then I'd suggest a wooden buckler with just the boss made of steel.
If anon is going to use his bucklers to parry blows, however, he will need something better than a buckler so easy to make at home.
>>1259121
Wood is fine with rawhide or leather on the edge unless you use the shittiest and thinnest wood ever. It's not a big shield, so even relatively thin wood can survive pretty well.
>>1259096
You have to consider the kind of steel used, its thickness and how the sheet was made into a buckler to know if it needs a heat treatment.
>>1259154
Yeah, whatever.
>>1258737
>CLANGCLANGCLANGCLANGCLANG
Non-metallic bucklers do have their advantages when it comes to regular training.
>>1258656
Montantes are slimmer, lighter and faster to turn than the German Renaissance Bidenhänder. The Bidenhänders I have the measurements for are somewhere between 3.7kg and 4.5kg. Not sure what this means, either that they where mostly ceremonial or that they where used differently from what we know today.
Finally, my gambison being made by a local guy was finally completed. I almost don't believe it's finally done, it was supposed to be finished in December.
>>1261260
Pics?
>>1261385
Don't have it on me at the moment, the collar and end of the sleeves need some minor modifications.
>>1261392
That sucks
Are dagger/knife techniques from Meyer and Fiore relevant to the modern day? Obviously the armor stuff isn't as useful, but being shived in some back alley by somebody was a concern then and still is now.
>>1262356
google "dutch dagger treatise", you may find some good stuff
i want to fight people with a gaddjhalt
>>1262655
Did you mean: gaddhjalt
Also, what a retarded name for ordinary arming sword.
>>1262666
>arming sword
Are we on pleb level now? Talk Oakeshott man!
>>1262666
>ordinary arming sword
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
its a cavalry broadsword dude
type xis arent arming swords
>>1262356
Very much so but they're almost all for very large knives.
If you're going to be attacked with a large knife by a guy you know is coming the techniques are all relevant as ever. In fact I find them all the time while cross training other martial arts.
Overall sparring experience and footwork are going to help a lot more.
>>1262438
The "prison" technique is gold
>>1241154
i mistake the black swords guy for a monkey every single time with that thumbnail before zooming in
>>1263123
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Vechtboek_%28MS_BPL.3281%29
P.S. I believe it wouldn't work that well for knifes with sharp cutting edges, but for collapsible batons it should be some real nasty shit.
Hey, quick questions from someone looking to get into HEMA:
Is anyone besides Rich Marsden out of Arizona doing Polish Saber? It's what I want to train towards after working through rapier & cut and thrust.
Or has anyone read his Polish Saber book? I want to know if it's really worth the $60.
>BTW I'm starting in on reading Capoferro: does that seem wise?
>>1263891
The Poles themselves do a lot of Polish Saber, but be warned, since there are next to no original sources it is borderline reenactment. Check at Feder.org for more info, or just write them, they are a very friendly bunch)
>>1245182
Most fights with dagger resolved in both people getting heavily injured.
Infact, even rapier/dagger duels resolved in the victor getting so injured that he either died of infection within a month or was crippled for life.
>hema fags still think they're doing anything other than roleplaying
>>1265030
Hows your sports fencing thread doing? Many replies?
>>1265028
>Infact, even rapier/dagger duels resolved in the victor getting so injured that he either died of infection within a month or was crippled for life.
That seems a very simplistic view, many people had several fights with sword and dagger during their lives, leaving them wounded certainly, but not crippled for life.
The simple fact that we can trace a good deal of people who had more than a dozens of death fight during their life would suggest that there are indeed people fortunate and skilled enough to fight and live through it. Classic example François de Montmorency-Bouteville killed something like thirty persons in his short life, and that's not considering the off the side fights. And though he was viewed as pretty great he wasn't alone in that regard.
Dagger fighting is nasty, rapier and dagger leaves more room for winning without to much of a scratch.
>>1265156
Not a lot of numbers though... but plenty enough of "frenchmen were bloody-crazy" ! Nice read anyway, thanks.
>>1265030
Low quality b8.
>>1241154
Hema guys, please post for me what you consider your best/ favorite hema videos. I'm interested in comparisons between types of swordsmanship
>>1267119
Longsword vs Rapier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Dy-zy7Npo
In general most of his sparring videos are pretty interesting.
>>1267119
Talking about German Longsword, I freakig love this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc
>>1267247
Those guys are fast
>>1267119
I personally really like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6919fC6Nck
John O'meara (Fabris) against Puck Curtis (Capo Ferro with some Destreza here and there)
And the same with sideswords:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lCtRsFu3Xo
O'Meara (something Viggiani-ish), Curtis (something Destreza-ish)
>>1267337
They are drilling (really fast) so...
>tfw you will never be with mado and suck her lips
>>1267119
Even tho as a rule I don't like period clothing in HEMA videos I love all the TheRealGladiatores videos especially this one as I'm pretty sure it was my first introduction to HEMA or at least .gifs of it on /k/ or /tg/ were.
youtube.com/watch?v=ohmLaZHStmI
This is my go to video for explaining or selling HEMA to other Martial Artists and I also post it alot in threads about fighting in Armour (just for the grappling.)
youtube.com/watch?v=cLt0mA23MDE
This last ones another fave sadly its cheesey as fuck hip hop/maybe rap soundtrack's been muted.
youtube.com/watch?v=zkpR0D79M5o
>>1267247
This ones the best tho. I think it should be the model all HEMA videos are presented to.
HE ACTUALLY DID IT
ABSOLUTE MADMAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBRHra6llvI
>>1267425
Why they wear such shitty protection in current year?
>>1267685
Because it's enough for rapier?
>>1267158
anything involving a spear makes you realize how great spears are for dueling
>>1267119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bV-L0w2JzI
Any news on those cheap feders from etsy?
>>1268855
It seems the first batch still hasn't been delivered. There's a picture of a bunch of bare blades on FB.
>>1268822
It's no Star Wars Kid, but it's pretty good.
Are there anything on fighting with warhammers or maces? Or is it a very specific topic normally for the battlefield?
>>1267445
>tfw you will never practice wrestling with Galina
>>1269125
I've seen artwork with war hammers so I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure there isn't. I think essentially if you can fight with a sword you can fight with a hammer so it would be a waste to repeat techniques.
Are there any good videos of HEMA longsword fencing? The stuff I've seen so far isn't much better than SCA/LARP. Everyone forgets about their guards and just ends up swiping around from breve. Where can I see video of people actually attempting to use any of plays from the German and Italian longsword manuals?
>>1270147
Read a few answers above: you'll find some really good longsword vid
>>1268704
Too bad only few people spar with spear, and most of them do it wrong. It's a cool weapon.
>>1270057
Warzecha's style is always wonky and it doesn't get better with those mensur-googles, nonetheless, it's nice to see a great exchange done with a certain lightness of spirit.
There's also the tri-sparring with messer between Grandy, and the same two, with some commentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfUG97lYkEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZCeI5t3F-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkQO0kT4SZA
>>1270331
>Only longsword sparring vid I've seen
They aren't sparring but drilling in this one...
(and apparently the interpretation isn't good anymore as they've revised it).
>>1269125
I guess you're talking about one handed warhammers/maces to use with a shield. Unfortunately there isn't much about it.
IIRC there is something about judicial duels with mace and shield.
If you're talking about two handed warhammers, there's some good shit about poleaxe.
>>1270377
First vid is amazing but not really what I'm looking for. Second vid is a clusterfuck.
>>1270450
I see where you're coming from you're hoping to see clean depictions of techniques to judge HEMA on what you've decided realistic or good swordfighting looks like. Well unfortuately sparring is a bit of a clusterfuck, but i posted that video because it's the best sparring I've seen.
There's plenty of techniques on display there. It's not an easy thing to close to grapple with HEMA rules and they do it constantly there.
Anyway we all love swordfighting here so keep us posted on what you find that's superior to HEMA so we can all jump ship.
>>1270623
One of the legit complain that applies to the swordfish fight is having the two fighters engaging only in breve/ overextanded pflug. The only other guard that is used here in there before the actual clashing of blades would be a short donna/vom tag.
It's the same thing in kendo, even though there are five guards (and that's really not a lot), the only two you actually see are chudan and jodan, so basically the same as in this fight (in terms of use anyway).
Not to say that it shows otherwise poor skills (it would be dead false), and I have seen videos with Pettersson forcing himself to use a specific guard and working from here, so it's not like this issue isn't adressed. Nonetheless, it does look like the "middle guard point forward" is what is used perhaps way too much in longsword especially considering it's not at all that proeminent in the texts.
>>1270665
>Nonetheless, it does look like the "middle guard point forward" is what is used perhaps way too much in longsword
You're goddamn right
Can you aspies me find a vid plz? There was this guy solo training with his longsword before GHFS' flag: anybody got the link? It looked like a nice workout-drill-thing, but I cannot find the vid anymore
>>1270819
>
can you aspies *help* etc
>>1270389
What, you don't think this is the new face of HEMA?
broke a guys hand in practice, dont know how to keep speed whilst not hitting so damn hard.
>>1271807
You don't. F=1/2*m*v^2
You could try to pull the blow right before impact, but that's about it.
What was he wearing?
>>1271858
>F=1/2*m*v^2
Is this some new meme? Saw exactly this over in /k/ earlier today. Or are people just that consistent in how they get force and energy confused?
>>1271807
You don't. Slow the fuck down. Speed is an overvalued commodity.
>>1270665
What did you think would happen in a sporting context?
I'd make a rule that you could choose any guard to fight from only once per exchange.
>>1270623
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just happen to be particularly talented at being unintentionally offensive. What I'm looking for is a video of a competition that's more representative of the techniques shown manuals like Fiore's. Does such a thing exist?
>>1270665
Dare we consider that it gets used a lot because people find it more effective for whatever reason?
>>1272558
Clearly that wasn't the opinion in the middle ages. Fiore barely mentions it and even the German tradition where it's much more common tends to favor ox and fool's guard. What's changed since the 15th century to make plow the end all and be all of guard positions?
>>1271408
Frankly, I think Warzecha goes sometimes a little bit too far in his interpretations (that pommel thing for one and a half hand swords for instance), but otherwise he is obviously talented, entertaining, and his style... well.
Sometimes, I think it's too much, but he pulls it so naturally, the socks, the choice of color (dat orange and blue), top it with those googles, it's too fabulous not to like.
>>1272558
It certainly is effective in order to control the center, but when you have people like Fiore who said that breve is very dangerous to use out of armor, you have to ask yourself, do the protections used in tournament impairs judgement and make you fight like in an armored fighter when you are suppose to simulate unarmored fighting (how do you simulate unarmored fighting with tons of protections btw?) ? Easton's points sounds very valid to me, about this precise thing at least. There are a lot of different guards in longsword and sure, we are informed about the fact that this stance gain much more popularity couple of centuries later, but with longsword passing footwork and the forms of cuts, you have to wonder why we mainly see (saw?) breve and sometimes donna/tag in like 90% of the engagings, this and right foot forward everywhere (when left foot is suppsoe to be better for cutting while passing). It's a valid complaint and the setting of the tournament should say to us that this is great in this format, but probably less than ideal in any other situation.
>>1272722
>What's changed since the 15th century
The attitude. We surely don't approach swordfighting in the same way people did centuries ago. I guess this happens in other martial arts too.
>>1272731
I don't compete in HEMA tournaments. Are the hands off limits or something? Even if there's less danger of breaking your hands in a modern setting, wouldn't it still be stupid to give up points you don't have to?
>>1271858
red dragon gloves, just caught him badly.
>>1272753
Red Dragon gloves are not made for steel sparring.
>>1272759
one handed synthetic.
>>1272722
Possibly a lot of factors at work here. I'll toss in the shoes and floors as one that may be important. In my limited experience with good traction you can use a more darting, olympic-fencing like approach, and they do go for rather pflug-like guards (modified to suit the weapons). As things get more slippery this becomes less viable, which I think would make you more likely to step in with a big, heavy swing (von tag/donna) to get a jump start on the winden struggle. And I guess ox would be more popular then so you're already prepared to catch that.
Time to take a cue from tennis and hold a few grass tournaments perhaps?
>>1272745
Oh dear lord. Hands are the majority of the points.
>>1272781
Then you have a hell of a strike, dude
>>1272967
Just bad luck, the guy's alright.
>>1272850
Can confirm, my last poule had like 4 fights ending in something other than a cut arm (we were doing first to 3 points wins, anything disabling gives 3). IIRC we were 7 in that poule, so the vast majority by far were arms/hands.
>>1273620
Most of us used rather conservative Pflug, but people can get good at staying just out of distance and hitting when you extend to attack. Back edge cuts in particular can easily end up like this.
It's not just an issue with Posta Breve.
>>1273620
Pflug feels safe. People just forget it may actually expose their hands. It is definitely something they should work on to improve themselves.
Thoughts on these guys/their fighting style?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3wQl3DH_A8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHJvFAdWlPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PkZCsOeY5M
>>1274288
They need fencing masks. And proper swords.
>>1274288
the fuck is with all the one-handed strikes?
>>1274337
They don't have masks so they have to go for lower openings and they're using light swords.
I have a tournament next sunday but my low blood pressure makes it very hard to train and sparring is literally hell. I don't know what to do, my teacher said not to worry too much because it is not a super serious tournament, but I don't want to go there without being able to give 100% of what I got
At Battle of the Nations in Prague (yeh yeh I know) & saw a feder @ a good price. Any "quality control" tips?
What should I look out for, like in design, weight/balance, material etc?
Yes Im a newbie at this, but fuckit I might go for it.
>>1274393
Yes, it's called gaysler, gessler, or something like that. It's in Talhoffer at least, one handed cut to the legs. I think there's also a one handed thrust somewhere.
It's just that you see a lot of them when people use light weapons.
>>1274391
Ask your doctor? Just drink extra coffee/coke/whatever? Or just do what you can.
But seriously you should ask your doctor, not 4chan.
>>1274405
Flex it and check that it goes back to straight. Check the balance and weight (handle it a bit). Check the grip for comfort. Make sure it's a peened pommel. Make sure the cross isn't too pointy unless you actually want to Mordschlag someone.
>>1274422
What weight is 'light' for you? What weight is proper?
>>1274434
It doesn't really fit entirely well, but lets say for a minimum 1 gram/mm of length. It fits well for the low end, 1.2Kg for a 1.2m sword. But it's also a matter of PoB.
Funny thing though, the Blackfencer wasters seem to fit that formula really well.
I'm not sure what they're using but it looks more like boffers than any synthetic longsword i've seen. Though for example the Rawlings longsword is 124cm at only 785g.
Also if the blades are too floppy i guess one could be discouraged from using bind related actions.
Who is considered the best Longsword practitioner today?
Same question about Sword&Buckler as well
>>1274288
lol no
>>1274686
What makes you think people would agree on something like that?
>>1241167
The real difference is length. Daggers are fucking long, whereas knives can be anywhere from 3 to whatever inches, but that's still not as long as daggers.
Because daggers are so fucking long there's a lot of shit you can and can't do when compared to knives. Also a lot of daggers had "pommels" which were used to bash.
>>1262356
Dagger is useless for modern knife fighting. Maybe some of the knife grapples are useful, but let's be honest. You won't get a good grapple on a guy who is trying to do the sewing machine into your stomach, or ice-picking into your back.
So /asp/ what's your fucking school and do you spar at full speed every night? Why the fuck not?
>>1274732
You don't have to agree on it, that's what competutions are for.
Guess I should've asked who are instead of is.
>>1274884
>that's what competutions are for.
That doesn't seem like the best metric to use - not by itself, at least.
>>1274861
>You won't get a good grapple on a guy who is trying to do the sewing machine into your stomach, or ice-picking into your back.
What's changed? Do people with knives today consider themselves more disposable than people with knives in the 12th century did?
>>1274391
Same here. I don't know an always-working solution, but you can try something. First of all, some things raise the blood pressure. Coffee, licorice, cigarettes (well, smoking before a tournament is stupid, tho) and other stuff. Find what works for you.
You also need some adrenaline. Try with some epic music and with some sparring right before the tournament. Get mad, or do whatever makes your body actually ready to fight.
For me, sometimes it works. Other times, I don't get to the right mood until I'm out of the tournament. Still working on it.
>>1275007
Clothing, culture, law and the need to defend at least briefly against sword strikes has lessened. Not that I agree with the other poster anyway the only reason dagger fighting isn't entirely (if not more) effective as ever is no one really carries daggers anymore.
>>1274686
>Sword&Buckler
Roland-senpai is
>>1275292
After the event, let me know what works for (if anything works) and let me know if you find any other idea
>>1275299
*for you
>>1274686
>Longsword
I'd say Axel Petterson or Ties Kool, albeit my favourite one is still Keith Farrel
>>1275403
You know how
What's the best way to learn backsword/saber?
I've already ordered a purpleheart singlestick.
Was getting an Absolute Force basic HEMA mask a mistake? Should I get the shin guards?
>>1241165
Their rondel training daggers are okay.
>>1275087
Makes no sense...
If everybody carried and used daggers back then, then by necessity and darwinism their techniques would be effective as fuck.
We need an iceberg tier list of the HEMA weapons and disciplines
>>1279830
It would something like
>normie: longsword
>dat guy: saber, rapier
>creep: i.33, some other rare stuff
>somestupidterm: non-existent shit
Optionally, add magic-based treatises for giggles.
>>1279905
I.33 isn't that uncommon and weird. I'd say Mair paesant weapons are for creeps.
>>1279905
Newfag here, what makes saber abd rapier "that guy"?
>>1280423
I'm not sure unless it means "that guy with a huge right arm".
>>1280441
Thank God years of furious, no-switch masturbation have aided me in my fencing career. Hopefully my basic sport fencing background ought to aid me in Singlestick.
>>1280423
for longsword plebs, everything else is "that thing"
>>1280452
tbf sabre fencing is much tougher on your delts and backside then it is on your "arm"
anyone going to the astolat hema open?
Where can I find decent instructional videos, or clear manuals? Only manuals I found were barely readable.
Interested to learn Longsword, S&B, Sidesword and Sabre.
>>1282068
Fiore for longsword, I33 for s&b, Marsden for saber. Just Google each along with "pdf".
>>1282068
Do you want to read the actual manuals or translations ?
If the later, then here's the obvious non-fancy Fiore (longsword and much more):
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fiore_de'i_Liberi
And the fancy Fiore (Getty):
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/fiore/translation-images-getty.pdf
And maybe for Fiore's longsword and others, you can check Guy Windsor's channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/swordschool
For sidesword, later sidesword at least (second half of the 16th century), there is dall'Agocchie and Viggiani. Mind you those two are close to the Bolognese tradition (especially dall'Agocchie) but there are some changes in mindset compared to the early 16th century and the early masters (Marozzo and Manciolino), especially about the use of the point which is preferred to the cut when possible and therefore guards and strategies changes to accomodate this.
dall'Agocchie:
http://celyn.drizzlehosting.com/jherek/ENGDALLAG.pdf
Viggiani:
http://celyn.drizzlehosting.com/jherek/Schermo.pdf
Has anybody bought a "Swordbag Liechtenauer" (http://www.swordbag.at/) recently? Their order page is fucked, so i'm wondering if they're still alive or what.
I'm considering the PBT HEMA bag too but it's twice the price...
Is there a faster way to break in a fencing jacket other than just using it a lot?
Need entry level sword recommendation
>>1285063
What kind? For sparring? Cutting?
>>1285136
Medieval longsword, for.. idk.. i just want one fuck you
>>1285146
Then just buy a shitty Hanwei and hang it on the wall or whatever.
>>1285156
any good youtube channels other than Skallagrim?
>>1285186
LondonLongsword (HEMA instructor) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyaFDuz2CPsOMZtK5LOwTxw
ScholaGladiatoria (HEMA instructor, British history) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt14YOvYhd5FCGCwcjhrOdA
Roland Warzecha/Dimicator (HEMA instructor, mostly I.33) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnXjzhYu7VgA-R3XVpT2XTQ
Lindybeige (General history stuff, reenactment wargaming) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9pgQfOXRsp4UKrI8q0zjXQ
>>1285156
is Albion considered good?
>>1285217
Yes. It's expensive for something so standard, but great quality and i hear they do free repairs (just pay postage). Of course if you're not in the US that's a lot less appealing.
>>1285186
Guy Windsor's Swordschool channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/swordschool
Academy of Historical Fencing
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_HtUzv9WIfxx31eYKDo4aA
Rob Runacres and others
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKkp2tBCe69Rhts_cSx96Xw
Do you guys use your skills to kill people? Or at least plan to do so?
>>1287414
It's the only way to make it to the Gathering.
Do girls do hema or is it a sausage fest?
If I started, could I get a gf?
>>1287838
Yes
I doubt it
>>1287838
yes, we have 4 girls including me in our club, and maybe another one will join next year
Anyone else painting masks in here?
I don't have a pic atm but will post later.
>>1288163
neckbeard
>>1288127
you no girl, there are no real girls in the internet, it is known
>>1288600
this post gave me autism
>>1288620
nah, you had autism way before that
Thoughts on the new spes "hussar" jacket?
Ignore the poster above; tell me what you know of the NF jacket instead!
>>1288218
Are putting patches on your fencing jacket neckbeard?
>>1271408
Where does he get his pants? The 3/4 length ones with the ties at the end. I want a pair.
>>1289933
just get a basic 15-bucks-tier pair of basic martial arts black pants, cut them at knee lenght and add ties
>>1289933
There's a german LARP webshop with those kind of pants. Check for the "Kilian Kniebunghose" by mytholon.
>>1290511
Those do look pretty close. Thanks.
>>1258656
From what I know as well, the German Zweihanders were used primarily as defensive weapons in war (such as defending flags, forward breakthrough sections, and commanders), and handled more like polearms than longswords.
I believe Montane's were used primarily in a civilian bodyguard context, hence why the manuals we have on the weapon all mention techniques for defending someone in a city or being ambushed.
>>1289614
yes
>>1291735
Would HEMA-themed patches be double neckbeard then?
>>1241154
For those of you who do saber stuff, what type of saber do you use and where is the balance point on the blade?
>>1292008
Patches depicting painted masks for maximum neckbeard.
>>1293916
So it does. Gonna get an AP jacket, I guess. Not enough money to take chances.
>>1293917
Yeah, me too. I guess it's enough for S&B.
>>1294570
I'd say it's perfectly fine for longsword too, just add forearm/elbow protection. Which you probably want anyway.
what do you guys do during a tournament if there's lots of pauses and/or you dont pass to the next stage and have nothing to do?
>>1294784
In case I didn't pass, then I friendly spar with other losers. In case I just have to wait, I keep myself warm but without tireing myself up. I also check whoever I will fight next to know in advance what to expect.
I also pee a lot due to adrenaline.
>>1294791
I see, next time I will try not to be a shy idiot and ask someone to spar with me
Also I saw a couple of people who got into the tournament without a gambeson/jacket, they basically had no protection from the sternum down (wore those hockey plates or something similar). I understand that with nylon swords it seems like a lot of protection isnt needed, but a person I know broke a hand of a guy once in a tournament and he was wearing gloves ffs. Also a friend I was with had to fight with one of them and told me he found it difficult because he didnt want to accidentally hurt them.
>>1294814
To be fair fingers are a lot more fragile than arms and such, smaller bones and less muscle-padding. Also a much thicker tip, so i wouldn't expect anybody to end up with a perforated belly or anything.
But it's true it can be unfair on your opponents, most people do not actually want to cause injury, even those who get a bit too fired up.
>>1294814
I think I know what tournament you've been at. I've been at a past tournament of the same club and I had fun friendly sparring with a lot of people. I understand it is annoying that some people lack in protections, just avoid them. They're getting better gear year after year, by the way, so thinks are getting well and accidents won't happen anymore. For every broken bone ten people go for proper jackets and gloves.
>>1294830
You can't avoid them if they're in the same tournament and you get matched I think. I don't remember the name of their club but it was in Italy so I'm not sure if we're referring to the same one
>>1294855
>it was in Italy
I guessed right, then
>You can't avoid them if they're in the same tournament and you get matched I think
You're right, I was talking about friendly sparring. In the tournament there's indeed little you can do about it. Fortunately there aren't so many of them as it used to be.
>>1294892
Woah if you were in the basic greatsword tournament maybe we even met. I got rekt badly so I didnt pass the first stage though
How do the cross-discipline fights normally go?
I'll learning Singlestick fencing, and a Kendo-learning friend wants to spar. What could I expect?
>>1295077
Rapier and dagger tends to win unless there's a two hander with more reach involved.
On your specific case it's probably more reach on the singlestick vs more strength on the shinai since it's two handed. Watch out for one handed stuff though.
>>1295083
You may want to try that over there at the kendo thread >>1269743
>>1295097
I'm not going to be using rapier and dagger, I'll be using pic related
Thanks for the thread link, I appreciate it
>>1295128
I'm just saying in case you ever fight with/against rapier and dagger, when you mix weapons you discover why it got so popular.
>>1295142
I took sport fencing for a while when I was younger, learned the basics of it all from this Russian guy who came stateside at the collapse of the Soviet Union.
He had three daughters, older one was an Olympian, the younger two might've been ten, and they kicked my ass, and it taught me a valuable lesson.
Getting into HEMA, I decided I'll take Singlestick, seeing how the discipline is much the same foundation, and as a proud American, the history is nifty.
>>1295155
Your mum took Singlestick but it wasnt enough for her, so she got the Triplestick
>>1295161
That's hurtful, my dude
>>1295160
I'll rape you
>>1295167
S-sorry m8
>>1295077
Kendo might be a bit tricky, just due to their very sport-and-ritual oriented approach. A lot of the things I learned in Kendo as "practical and sensible" went out the door once I started HEMA.
>>1295171
I cannot forgive you for this
What's the good YouTube channels to watch in HEMA?
I really dig this Schola Gladitoria guy, and Skallgrim seems like a faggot desu.
>>1298370
read the fucking thread, cockmuffin
>>1269459
Take me away brawny maid
>>1298491
Have a semen enema, nerd.
I'm asking for opinions, and I know that not everyone's is listed.
Duel to death or calm the fuck down.
>>1295077
Expect tons of lightning-fast Men (it's basically a Scheitelhauw)
Do synthetic wasters "bounce" much in comparison to steel?
>>1299157
Steel is crisper and sharper in response, but it is also heavier and a tad slower.
Synthetics are a bitch in the bind.
What/when will be the next big events in europe this year?
Il it possible to conciliate the martial art and the sport?
>>1301485
*is it
>>1301477
HEMAC Florentia next week in italy
Barcelona meeting
google HEMA events map
>>1301485
As long as we don't standardize rules we're pretty safe. You can't train for a specific rule set if there isn't one.
>>1295077
I can't help you, sorry. Anyway, what manual(s) do you study singlestick from? I'd like to start it too.
>>1301796
I'm learning in four ways
Firstly, I have a sport fencing background that means I largely have footwork and stance down, I didn't have to learn much new regarding those basics
Secondly, I learned out of Gutenberg's Broadsword and Singlestick. I'll have the pdf for it for you below
Thirdly, I have watched Schola Gladitoria's military saber videos. These are helpful in that they show and explain about all of the things taught in the manual. I've only noticed Aight differences, like weight on left foot vs weight spread even at second and first position
Fourthly, I practice these, with a mixture of sparring with a friend who while not learning it truly, loves to be taught a quick lesson and spar, as well as solo training drills.
I bought my helmet from Absolute Force, the Basic HEMA one, and my Singlestick from Purpleheart Armory.
Here is the PDF: ftp://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/gutenberg.org/3/1/2/1/31214/31214-h/31214-h.htm
>>1301796
WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS REFERENCE PICTURE!?
I NEED MORE!
>tfw I had the same Patten Mask at home but gave it away to a local WWI group
>At least I have a second one
>yfw I'm in Australia
>>1302431
ayyy boi u want sum singlestick manuals, I can hook you up...
>>1301492
>no mention of Fightcamp
Pleb.
>>1302754
>ayyy boi u want sum singlestick manuals, I can hook you up...
Niggy, hit me up with that hot shit
>>1302754
Honestly I just searched "siglestick" on tumblr and that was the first pic to appear.
>>1302431
Thanks man
>>1292166
Anyone?
Any new about koning gloves yet?
>>1302845
>excessive hype on Fightcamp
Brit.
>>1303509
My Regenyei sabre has an 85cm blade, with the centre of mass 13cm from the guard, and a forward picot point maybe 24cm from the tip.
>>1302845
Not like it was sold out the first day registrations were open or anything...
>>1303509
Down boner! Down!
>>1303720
What?
>>1303543
>Excessive hype
>Implying it didn't sell out in one day
Alright, pleb.
>I'm from Austria actually
What's the best training saber out there?
>>1303573
How much does it weigh?
>>1303756
My sincerest apologies then, sir
