TKD is derived from Karate to some extent, so obviously there are similarities
But technique-wise, what makes these two styles distinct? Do they essentially all have the same kicks ( roundhouse, sidekicks, crescent kicks, etc)? What about their stances?
The only differences i'm aware of is that some karate styles allow foot sweeps and knees.
if you want to get down to the real meat of the issue the main difference is methodology
in theory tkd is supposed to be 70% kicks 30% punches, but its more like 90:10
karate is really 50/50
>>1115780
Really depends on the style of karate.
For example, shotokan is extremely different from TKD. (Shotokan has a super deep stance, weak kicks, and a very low kick focus compared to TKD)
But other styles that give more attention to kicks have more similarities.
But I would say in general, TKD focuses mainly on kicks, while karate wants punches and strikes to be as powerful and focused on as kicks.
Semi-related.
Can someone give the run down on Goju Karate?
What's its training methodologies like?
What's the blend of conditioning, kata, drills, and sparring?
What's its blend of striking and grappling?
What is its striking like?
What's its grappling like?
Is it worth it for someone with experience in Boxing, American Kickboxing, and Wrestling, to take?
>>1116018
First, Okinawan Goju and Japanese Goju is quite different, so I'll speak only for the Okinawan Goju.
A class is quite karate like, with warm up,then basic training, followed by kumite/sparring and kata practice in the end of the session.
In my school,we spend few times a month doing ude tanren (conditionning) but I know some schools never do that.
It's a very versatile style, with striking and grappling, but IMO grappling is not very efficient and only to be used after some strikes.
Striking and grappling are heavily short range focused. There's a lot of elbow and knee strike and most of the drill and move aim to close the distance and stick to the partner like a freaking glue. Yep, we like it close.
>>1115780
Punches don't score in TKD unless they're fucking massive and no face shots. That's about all I can remember
>>1116247
>IMO the grappling is not very efficient
Does the grappling resemble Judo or Aikido?
>Short range focused
Does the short ranged striking resemble Kyokushin Karate?
>>1116018
I accidentally wrote you an essay
goju is the original combat karate, no part of it is done for show, if there isn't a practical application in a street fight scenario the technique is disregarded. This is reflected in technique but also how techniques need to be applied. if it takes you longer than 5-10 seconds to incapacitate your target, expect to be reprimanded for it. A fight shouldn't be a fight, a fight means you both have a reasonable chance of winning, it should be more like an event, very matter of factly handling a situation. Not respecting your opponent by dancing around, just exploding on them with everything you have as violently as possible.
hard and soft, grappling and striking aren't treated as different entities, they are meant to be used in conjunction seamlessly to compliment each other.
if we have a fight, I will stand nice and loose, relaxed and awaiting your attack, if you never attack then I'm in no danger, the fight is over and nothing happens. If you do attack, thats when my attack begins. Your opponent is most vulnerable at the moment of attack because they drop their defenses to do so, and that's when you exploit it, I enter HARD with a flurry of hand techniques to the body and face, this is done to facilitate my approach so I can go SOFT with a clinch to gain a dominant position, that allows HARD knees to the body and groin followed by a SOFT hip throw or leg sweep to take down the opponent, and finished with a HARD stomp or kick while they are on the ground.
That's just an example of what a goju combination looks like. the idea is don't treat hard and soft techniques as separate things, they exist to help each other.
to get more specific
>What is its striking like?
hand work is similar to boxing but with additional strikes like spinning back fists, hammer strikes, especially elbows and knees mixed in to it.
kicks are focused on power and keeping a sturdy base, front, round, side kicks aimed to the body and legs
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>>1116651
you aren't going to be doing jumpy flippy spinny kicks because they have little to no practical use compared to the risk you take on to execute them. The most exotic kicks you will do are spinning backs and outside crescents. If it compromises your base you don't want to do them
>What's its grappling like?
more like wrestling than it is like judo, it doesn't rely heavily on hand grips because you may not be fighting someone with a piece of heavy clothing on, Throws and submissions are facilitated by underhooks and trips, not grabs. That's not to say lapel manipulation is nonexistent, but it certainly isn't a focus in terms of method. Obviously if a grip is available you take the grip, but you need to assume there isn't a grip available, so if that's what your move relies on then its a bad move.
while grappling is important, ground fighting is frowned upon. If you ended up on the ground with your opponent you screwed up somewhere, so the focus of any ground fighting you do is not going to be on weaving an intricate web of submissions and transitions. There will of course be defensive submissions learned in case shit goes south and you are being completely overpowered, like how to grab a triangle and arm bar from the bottom, but the main focus of your ground fighting will be how to escape, disengage, and get back to your feet, not how to roll and play on the ground with someone
>What's its training methodologies like?
>What's the blend of conditioning, kata, drills, and sparring?
There is an emphasis on fitness and body conditioning, it's mandatory. If you aren't physically fit you can't do goju, and if you do goju you will be physically fit because of it. The exercises aren't optional, they are an integral part of the training. you should be expected to complete intense body weight exercises and stretches, in every class and to continue them when not at class every day to keep your strength up.
>>1116653
[one last continuation]
Body conditioning is the key aspect, The conditioning kyokushin is famous for was taken out of gojus play book. You will show up to class and submit yourself to a daily beating, say thank you and ask for more. If you flinch, of you wince, if you buckle, you will be reprimanded for it.
Chojun Miyagi was very explicit in that kata is not meant to be a piece of performance art. It is meant to be a personal tool used by the practitioner to practice techniques, not something to be judged and scored or put on display for others to see. You will be taught some kata to use as a tool for sharpening your own craft. Your knowledge and ability to perform the kata for katas sake should not be held against you. It's a tool to use when you are training alone, not a group exercise unless maybe your class is doing it together as a warm up.
Drills are ever present as a way to achieve that body conditioning we discusses, as well as learn new techniques. a good amount of time will be spent drilling because if you can't perform a technique with a good deal of proficiency you aren't going to be taught a new one. You may spend 30 minutes straight just practicing a kick on a bag until you get it right if that's what it takes.
Sparring should be 50% of your class, even as a white belt you will be expected to spar once you know your basic moves. it will not be point sparring, it will be semi-full contact and likely bare knuckle to further emphasize the conditioning your body needs to go through.
the amount of time spent is equal parts fitness and conditioning, drilling techniques, and live sparring.
here is a nice movie about goju training. Anywhere you go that's legit should have a similar training structure,and will even give you some exercises you can do at home
skip to 8:30 if you want to just get right to it and not watch the prologue about the history of karate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RmCzJ0m1Xs
>>1116018
>Can someone give the run down on Goju Karate?
Basically you brag about that you are good in standup fighting and grappling when in fact your grappling means jack shit.
Also you can think you are on par with Kyokushin because every now and then you do some sparring.
Last but not least you can claim that you could kill people with bare hands on the internet. And chicken out when someone proposes a meetup.
>>1115780
Biggest difference is modern TKD is like 95% kicking, and 5% punching; and 99% sports oriented.
Karate is like 60/40 kicking/punching. With maybe like 25% of it's population being sports oriented.
>>1116623
>Does the grappling resemble Judo or Aikido?
Not really,maybe more close to aikido
>Does the short ranged striking resemble Kyokushin Karate?
Kyokushin came from goju so yeah, probably even closer
>>1116654
>not a group exercise unless maybe your class is doing it together as a warm up.
What about kata bunkai or shit like yakusoku kumite, What's that like from a Goju-ryu perspective?
>>1116844
>chicken out when someone proposes a meetup
motherfucker I stood in a parking lot for an hour and a half waiting for that guy. He's the one that never showed up
doesn't matter now, your small opinions mean less and less to me every day. I'm one of the trainers on the US olympic karate team now, so my skill speaks for itself.
>>1117364
I have never had a bunkai situation. The purpose of the moves in the kata has always been explained to me as the kata is taught, so there was never any need to go back and analyze it for tools
>>1116651
>tfw I've been thinking about branching out from Shorin-Ryu (which is my foundation) to Shotokan, Kyokushin or Goju-Ryu
>tfw this Goju dojo looks to be the real deal
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtZXNq_sEjc
>Only problem is it's about two hours down south of me, whereas the Kyokushin dojo is the same distance going east
>The closest is the Shotokan dojo ten minutes from me and he too seems to know what he's doing(he's retired so he doesn't really have anything to gain or lose by McDojoing - he also built his dojo by himself), although membership is low because it's in the city and everyone just wants to do MMA
>>1117729
I watched those videos
I thought it was pretty funny how nobody looks like they are having fun.
That's a good thing
must be really miserable to train there. Which is exactly what you want when you are practicing goju. Part of being good at goju is your training making you feel dead inside
>>1116651
How many hours did/do you train every week?
>>1117775
3 a day minimum, that isn't counting the time I spend teaching. It will eat up my entire day a few times a week
>>1117541
>I'm one of the trainers on the US olympic karate team now, so my skill speaks for itself.
Of course you are.
