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This thread is for anything horse related. Stories, advice, or just simple pictures are appreciated here.
>Threadly reminder that my horse is better than yours.
World's prettiest horse?
>>2093928
when you see it
>>2093928
akhal-tekes are some next level shit
>>2093951
Whoever put shoes on that horse seriously fucked up.
>>2093951
That fucking back is so long. I can't unsee it.
Worst horse-related accident?
I got bit on the face recently, seven stitches...
Horses are scary creatures.
>>2094233
Trail riding accident killed my horse and nearly me. It wasn't even our fault, the trail was next to the bank of a creek where the soil had eroded pretty badly, and nobody noticed how far the actual erosion had gone. Me and my horse had the bad luck to be the straw that broke the camel's back apparently and caused the whole bank to collapse.
I wound up with 7 broken ribs, orbital fracture of my left eye socket, a punctured/collapsed lung, two fractured vertebrae, dislocated femur, lacerated liver and kidney, and ruptured spleen. Worst part of it was the broken heart though, had that horse for 13 years, she was my baby girl, meant the world to me. I try to find some solace in the fact that she died fairly quickly and didn't suffer much, but I still have nightmares to this day about it. This was 5 years ago.
I ended up getting a substantial cash settlement from the state of Ohio (enough that I'll never have to work again) for not properly maintaining a public trail and failing to notice the danger and shut it down until it could be addressed, but I'd give back every penny of it to have my girl back.
I have a new horse now and still ride, nothing short of death will keep me out of the saddle. I don't trail ride anymore though. Just ride on my own property in the pastures or in the arena.
>>2094294
>I ended up getting a substantial cash settlement from the state of Ohio (enough that I'll never have to work again) for not properly maintaining a public trail and failing to notice the danger and shut it down until it could be addressed
lie.
>>2094297
I settled for a fifth of what my lawyer was going for. I didn't feel like a protracted court battle on top of the $843,000 in medical bills I racked up, even though we had a pretty much open and shut case.
When I say "enough that I'll never have to work again" that doesn't mean I'm rich, I just know how to make money last by not spending it on frivolous shit like the bulk of retards out there would (I guarantee anyone else would have blown through what I got by now), having a house and land and vehicle that are already paid for in full, and growing some of my own food.
>>2093951
Holy shit that back...
>>2094300
Assumed risk bro. Horseriding is inherently dangerous activity.
Had the ground crumbled beneath you on foot it'd be one thing, but I don't think you won any lawsuit, if your story even happened.
>>2094308
>Horseriding is inherently dangerous activity.
Inherent risk and negligence are two different things, Anon. The laws are written to protect equine business owners/operators from frivolous lawsuits that arise as a natural result of equine activity (at least in Ohio). It doesn't protect you if you were demonstrably negligent and cause someone else to get injured participating in an equine activity.
For example if I'm teaching your kid to ride and don't make them wear a helmet, and they fall/get thrown and suffer a head injury, I can still be held liable for it due to negligence.
>>2094308
Also winning a lawsuit is not the same thing as receiving a settlement.
>>2093742
here's my horse story
>fucked around with this girl with HUGE tits holy fuck
>keep in touch with her, keep trying to fuck her every few months
>check her facebook one day and shes all retarded?
>got thrown from a horse and became a permanent retard
why the fuck do people ride horses? what benefit is there? those titties were nice though. glad i got to suck on them before she entered retard status.
>>2094335
>why the fuck do people ride horses? what benefit is there?
Don't know why other people do it but for me it's because I get a sexual thrill out of dominating and riding a creature that's much bigger and more powerful than me.
>>2094338
yeah that's why so many women ride
>>2094338
>tfw this post made you understand why you like fucking fat chicks.
Now I need a drink. Thanks, faggot.
>>2094335
Well the good news is you might actually have a chance with her now
>>2094233
Broken arm. I was 8 yrs old. Other than that, multiple concussions from doing stupid shit while I was a kid. Trotting down hill while riding bareback is a bad idea. So is amateur acrobatics on horseback. So is attempting to jump from one horse to another while both are running side by side. I also taught my horse how to play tag (aka chase people and knock them down). So yeah. Typical farm brat shit.
>>2094478
What's the context behind this?
Looks like a protest in bongland or something.
>>2094483
Not bonglandia with those road signs, license plates and cars on the right. Would also like to know where it is though.
Had a pretty good runaway with the team and wagon. Wrecked the wagon. Got dragged down the asphalt UNDER the wagon for a little ways. Road rash and bruises for me. Team was fine.
I think horses are pretty but I'm scared of them. Ponies are less scary though.
>>2094595
I've never watched that show. Well I did once when I was babysitting but I didn't enjoy it.
>take my wife on a horseback riding trip
>suddenly a horny pony on the loose starts following and harassing us
>crazy whinnying, kicking, rearing, charging, running, etc. all with us still on our horses
Wat do /hg/?
Shit was terrifying, but what would have been the actual risk of one of us getting thrown off?
>>2094637
The risk? Pretty high. Safest would have been to dismount, have one person hold both horses, other person drive loose pony away by throwing sticks and rocks at him if necessary. Wonder whose loose pony it was.
>all the horses I'm training right now are mares
>fucking spring time, as if dealing with shedding wasn't enough, they all decide to go into heat at the same time
>squealing pissing kicking squirting bitches all day fucking long
Goddamn mares in heat are fucking disgusting, why couldn't I get a barn full of geldings to train for once?
>>2094640
>have one person hold both horses, other person drive loose pony away
That's pretty much what we ended up doing, on my urging as a complete horse novice.
This was one of those "guided horse tour" deals, but the guide was pretty useless.
All he did was slap the pony with some rope, and tell us to keep going. Even though our horses kept rearing and bolting.
This lasted for 20 minutes straight until I started calling out the guide on his lazy shit, telling him to dismount and do something.
The guide finally dismounted, tied his rope around the pony and tried to lead it away.
But as soon as he walked it around the corner, the pony would simply come back charging around the corner again, with the guide slowly jogging after it.
This happened like 5-6 times.
I was holding mine and the guide's horses, and they were really sweet, nudging me with their muzzles for reassurance.
If I had been carrying a pistol on me, I probably would have shot that fucking long-dicked pony if a warning shot didn't spook it off.
>Wonder whose loose pony it was.
Some local farmer.
This was in Wallonia though, the socialist French-speaking part of Belgium.
They're all lazy bums and nothing ever really registers with these people. Hence the guide's passive response.
>>2094656
>All he did was slap the pony with some rope, and tell us to keep going. Even though our horses kept rearing and bolting.
hahah holy shit dude almost got you killed. yeah just keep going, don't dismount or anything.
>>2094308
>Assumed risk bro.
He assumed the risk of being thrown off by his horse. Not the risk of what by any rights should have been a safe trail collapse under his hooves.
In Japan they have draft horse races. It's called Ban'ei.
Poitou donkeys. Native to the Poitou region of France.
>>2094735
Holy shit they're SO FUCKING FUZZY
>>2094748
When they're cared for. Otherwise you get this mess.
>>2094294
>I don't trail ride anymore though
You know what they say about "getting back on the horse"...
>>2094483
There have been police horsemen charging down protesters in Bongistan before. The most recent were some student protests a few years ago; those videos were fun to watch. And then of course the miner's strikes way back when.
While one can be mad at the police for putting a horse in a dangerous situation like a riot, it really rustles my jimmies when rioters try hurting the horses. Who the fuck throws a punch at a horse?
>>2094770
>Who the fuck throws a punch at a horse?
In a lot of jurisdictions in the US this counts as assaulting an officer (same thing if you hurt a police dog as well) and carries the same penalty as if you sucker punched a cop.
>>2094770
>While one can be mad at the police for putting a horse in a dangerous situation like a riot, it really rustles my jimmies when rioters try hurting the horses. Who the fuck throws a punch at a horse?
That's like bitching about cavalry charges and the poor, bloody infantry that tries to survive them.
>>2094650
>Goddamn mares in heat are fucking disgusting
>disgusting
That's a funny way to spell "sexy as fuck," Anon.
>>2094650
I thought they never really went into heat if they were around geldings?
>>2094824
They go into heat every 23 days or so. Some mares act out, others are pretty even-tempered. Pretty much like human females. I have one mare who would squat and pee when any horse showed her any amount of attention while she was in season. But she was never any trouble to work. A good mare.
>>2094805
>the poor, bloody infantry that tries to survive them.
It's called a stick with a pointy bit on the end. Maybe even a long stick. Or a perhaps even a stick-like gun with a pointy bit on the end.
>>2094892
I don't chill with horses very often, but when I do I'm always struck with the impression that they're really, really dumb animals, like there's just nothing going on up there.
Anyone know anything about horse intelligence and can confirm/deny?
What's a "positive coggin" mean, and why is my friend absolutely flipping his shit that a horse where he boards his horse (not even his) apparently had one recently?
>>2097237
Bummer. Horse tested positive for Equine Infectious Anemia. Could be a false positive but... jeez.
>>2097141
Horses aren't ambitious. They just want to be comfortable. Their idea of a good time is just to be alive and comfortable. If they've got that going on, there's not much else to do besides just breathe. Humans have absolutely no way to relate to that. We aren't good at being content. We didn't get to where we are by being content with being alive and comfortable. We can't relate. So, I'm not surprised that you'd see contentment as stupidity.
>>2097253
Can they not be treated for that or something?
>>2097258
A need for stimulation is a sign of higher intelligence, just saying.
>>2097262
No. It's a literal death sentence.
>>2097277
This. Horses with confirmed EIA have to be destroyed within a certain timeframe from the diagnosis by law, at least in the United States.
What's a polite way to say to someone "No, you can't ride my horse, you're way too fucking fat"
>>2097539
No need to be polite, straight up tell them they have to lose weight if they want to ride, the horse's health and comfort comes before their feelings.
>>2097539
>>2097540
Why do so many fat fucks lack self-awareness so badly they think it's okay to subject a horse to the torture of their weight on their back? I mean really, if you're over a certain weight you need to be honest with yourself and be like "yeah, okay, I'm probably too heavy at this point for a horse to safely and comfortably carry, if I want to ride that bad I need to lose weight first."
>>2097541
Blame it on the tumblrina "healthy at any weight" and "anti-body shaming" faggots/cunts.
>>2097539
Like how big is the person your talking about?
>>2097545
I'd put them around 320-330 lbs. Big enough they should know better than to even ask.
>>2097546
The barn where I board also teaches lessons, they have a strict weight limit for riders of 225. The barn manager/head instructor keeps a scale in her office in case someone lies about their weight when trying to sign up for lessons, and she's used it before.
>>2097554
My barn also does this. Nothing better than seeing a fatty run away in tears when they get denied. Serves them right.
>>2097541
Which is one of the main reasons why I don't ride anymore. I'm am a fat fuck. I'm sure I could ride a draft horse without stressing it, but they're really tall and my knees suck. I will get back to riding weight eventually and until then, whatever.
>>2097258
Am I a horse?
>>2098714
I love haflingers.
>>2098797
OMG they're so pretty and they are one of the few pony breeds that aren't automatically assholes to children.
>>2098869
I ain't clicking that shit nigga.
>>2094754
Well, I never thought I'd see braided ass hairs, but here we are.
>>2098869
Enjoy what?
What do you do with a foal that was born depressed? No obvious health concerns but it just doesn't nurse so much and lays down all the time.
>>2099849
Your horse could have autism.
>>2099851
He does draw dank memes in the soil and slap his wiener at them.
>>2099855
I wasn't joking m8
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/horses-may-provide-clues-to-the-origin-of-autism-050215
>>2100096
FAKE
>>2097557
Do you fuck your horse every day
>>2100105
You upset, Fatty McLardass?
>>2100096
That can not be true.
>>2100147
What makes you say that?
Halter horses make me so sad.
Brazilian here, in the south we really like Crioulos.
Look it up, they're gorgeous.
>>2100306
god they're SO FUCKING POINTLESS. Why have a horse if you have no intention of riding it?
>>2100306
Dat post leg. Fucking hell.
>>2100306
who thought this was a good idea
>>2100351
What the actual fuck am I looking at?
>>2100351
I'm amazed they didn't photoshop out those comically small hooves while they were rotating the image to make a level top line like in every other halter horse image.
>>2100334
Are they meant to have long backs? Because all the results I'm seeing have them despite the "compact" description.
>>2100351
no no no no no no no no no god no
>>2100334
>Crioulos
Nice
>>2100351
OMG. Someone needs to put this poor thing down. It looks like several horses badly photoshopped together by someone who has no clue what a horse should look like.
>>2094650
Top lol.
I work with a mix of the three, I definitely find it so much easier to work with the geldings, and colts even more so compared to my coworkers. My favorite is a colt, only three and chill as fuck. Very agreeable, bombproof to everything so far and does everything you ask. Boss.
I'm just a stablehand and strapper.
>>2100396
>Young horses
>"Easy" to work with
Nope, fuck that.
>>2100402
I've never worked with any other kind, actually.
Had to lead yearlings off our truck for the first time this morning.
I am very calm at least and we did fine but I admit I was concerned. I'm rather inexperienced.
>>2094384
This
>>2100729
Have you ever seen a stallion living in isolation? That's how you 'control' their sexual instinct if you can't geld them or keep them with geldings, and it's a lonely, shitty life for an animal as sociable as a horse.
>>2100736
It involved two hands and a will of steel.
>>2100187
I thought we were beyond this. It is the end.
>>2100729
horses are fucking stupid i love them so much
>>2100756
Wank off a stallion if you really want to, but it'll still fuck mares if its turned out with them, and it'll still get in fights with other stallions and potentially end in a broken leg. Difficult to understand for 4chan, but they don't act that way out of sexual frustration and the way they react to other male horses and mares in heat does not change if you regularly grab their dick with your clammy little hands.
I want to have sex with a horse
>>2100986
Definitely I will have sex with it
>>2100986
Get your mind out the gutter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBY5q2IRu3M
amazing.
>>2100509
The reason why there interested to horses because they what the 30 inches penis of the horse or they may be lonley they want the horse to pleased them
>>2100980
Thank you
>>2103142(YOU)
Hit
Have you ever punched your horse?
>>2103218
only once and not very hard.
mare was trying to sneak in two or three bites on my back/shoulder when she thought I wasn't paying attention while "looking away"
bitch you had to get a bath...maybe it was a love bite or something and you loved it with me just reading the situation wrong. Wasn't going to take any crap though.
>>2103218
Nope. Just used a thing.
Is it weird to want to fuck a horse nonsexually?
>>2103218
I punched a house once. That shithead bit me and I was instructed to like beat it with a stick if it happened but I didn't feel like that so I just punched it in the ribs. It did not care at all
>>2104103
It completely normal
>>2103218(YOU)
I love punch it
>>2103218
This explains everything
>>2103218
No because I'm not a retarded fucking neanderthal or dindu and know how to prevent troublesome behavioral issues from arising in the first place.
>>2104103
>fuck
>nonsexually
Fucking what?
Does /an/ wear helmets when they ride?
I know there's really no good reason not to, but I just can't bring myself to do it. I've never ridden with a helmet other than when I was first taking riding lessons. I've taken plenty of spills and never had anything worse than a mild concussion. I think learning how to emergency dismount is a lot more effective than a helmet.
Does nobody teach kids how to do this anymore? Sure a helmet might protect you from traumatic brain injury, but that's little consolation when you're lying on the ground with 6 broken ribs and a punctured lung because you didn't know how to fall off properly.
>>2104305
I do the opposite. My students learn you better stick to that goddamn horse no matter what, because if you come off in front of me you'll wish the horse had killed you instead. If you can't ride through a buck you don't belong in the saddle. I scare the shit out of my students on a regular basis because horses aren't for pussies. I'd rather hurt their feelings by yelling at them than have them get hurt later on down the road because I was too soft on them.
>>2104305
Helmets are for pussies. If you're such a shit rider that a fall from a horse kills you, you deserve to die.
>>2104308
What a crock of shit. Troll harder.
>>2104305
No. I just really don't care if I get killed in a riding accident or not. At least I'll die doing something I love. Better to go out like that than as some 90 year old invalid shitting myself and rotting away in a nursing home.
>>2104302
You take the horse, then you fuck it nonsexually. I fail to see what's so difficult about this.
>>2104346
But fucking is, by its very nature, sexual. That's like saying you want to moisten something dryly.
>>2104349
>fucking is, by its very nature, sexual
Nonsense, you wouldn't fuck your sister sexually, would you? No, you fuck her nonsexually so its not weird.
>>2104356
I wouldn't fuck my sister at all. What the fuck are you on about?
>>2104363
Well then, I'm not sure you're a cultural for us. I'm afraid we'll have to part ways. You're final check will be in the mail shortly.
Do you ever experience sexual arousal or orgasms while riding? I do. Riding bareback on a really wide-backed mare that belongs to a friend of mine has given me better orgasms than actual sex. Even when I'm in the saddle I find myself getting hard fairly often. Not sure how this got started but I don't see the harm in it. The horse doesn't know what's going on, and it feels good.
>>2104368
Congratulations, you're now one step closer to being a crazy horse person.
>>2104371
I've always been a crazy horse person. I will choose horses over people every single time when given the choice for interaction with another living creature.
>>2104373
Sexual interaction?
>>2104377
Only if riding until I orgasm counts. I love horses but I'd never engage in bestiality.
>>2104368
I never experienced such a thing. As a man, I can't even picture how that could happen. The most intense thing I've felt on my genitals while riding was the intense pain of my testicles after landing on the front of the saddle by accident. And one time I rode bareback a horse with a very salient spine.
>>2104502
It's not difficult
>have boner pressing against pants
>ride a horse that has a nice smooth lope/canter
>have a good seat
>rocking-horse-like motion causes boner to grind against pants/saddle rhythmically
>cum
Good morning /hg/. Why aren't you riding right now? Quit being lazy and go saddle up! You never know when your next ride might be your last. Don't take it for granted.
>>2105149
Cuz I don't have my own horse and am restricted to a certain number of times per month to ride.
But it's not like I have the means to keep a horse, anyway. I wish I had.
>>2105301
>restricted to a certain number of times per month
Are you leasing a horse or taking lessons or something?
>>2105149
horses are fucking evil bastards is why
>>2105311
What makes you say that, Anon?
>>2105313
I guarantee you inside of that nefarious, evil, and genocidal mind, it was thinking of doing a backflip and crushing you when that picture was taken.
>>2105317
Nah she a good girl she dindu nuffin.
>>2105307
Taking lessons. Although my lessons are usually pretty unlesson-y. My tutor tends to leave me doing my thing while he helps the younger pupils (read: children) getting their horses ready and whatnot. I already have a decent grasp of most basic things and my main goal is usually just getting more in synch with the horse I ride. Just get on it, do some transitions, bending, drawing shapes, that sort of stuff. It's also a way for them to have that horse work, since until recently barely nobody mounted him.
>>2105319
When the next full moon rises, watch as the number of deaths rises.
>>2105320
Sounds like you're doing them a favor by working their lesson horse. If you're paying you should try to negotiate an arrangement so that you don't have to anymore.
>>2105323
Yeah, I know. But in a way, I don't consider myself experienced enough to even attempt suggesting that. At least not yet. Like I said, I only have a decent grasp of basic stuff, but I still fuck up a lot. And in the middle of my not-quite-lessons, I also get proper lessons that make me work properly.
That IS a thing I intend on doing in the future, however. And possibly more. Of course, I'll talk with the owner regarding possible payment.
>>2105329
I can imagine it feels great. That's why it's currently one of my life goals.
[spoiler]The owner of the school I go to once said one of the things that made me feel the fuzziest inside. That, even though I'm not that good at the actual riding, which I'm really not, mostly because I'm shit at anything physical, he doesn't see very often people feeling so much at ease around horses, connecting so well and being so enthusiastic about it.[/spoiler] [spoiler]Made me feel like I actually have a place[/spoiler]
>>2105332
Why didn't spoiler work? The hell?
>>2105149You
Beautiful
>>2105332
>>2105333
I think /an/ is one of the few boards the spoiler tag doesn't work on for some reason. And it's good that you're starting to build that kind of reputation. Give it a few years, network, help less experienced riders when you can and feel comfortable, be confident when you know you're right, and don't be afraid to admit when you don't know something. Riding is very physically demanding, the physical part will get better with time as your muscles strengthen. Don't be content to ride the most broke-to-death horses in the barn, seek out horses that will challenge you - they'll teach you more than anything else. Eventually you'll build a reputation as a knowledgeable horseman and have people begging you to ride their horses.
>>2105338
> Don't be content to ride the most broke-to-death horses in the barn
That issue is long solved. Spend slightly over half a year mounting that horse, then switched to a mare that loved speeding up (eventually she started getting lazy, no idea why) and I'm currently on the one horse that not a year ago half the school was afraid to mount because they all thought the horse was crazy. He kind of was but not as much as they said, because another guy eventually mounted him for a while. Still, I know the majority of my progress so far has been on the back of this horse. Especially sitting straight. I still sometimes put my shoulders forward, but it's happening a lot less than it used to.
This is also the only horse I fell off from so far
I think it's kind of sad how many people will fall off a horse one time and never ride again after that, even if they're not seriously hurt. It's like they didn't realize that what they're doing is a dangerous activity and the possibility of getting hurt is always there with no real way to mitigate it. I've broken many bones but I could never see myself not getting back on after a fall.
>>2105344
>I think it's kind of sad how many people will fall off a horse one time and never ride again after that, even if they're not seriously hurt. It's like they didn't realize that what they're doing is a dangerous activity and the possibility of getting hurt is always there with no real way to mitigate it.
True dat.
>>2105344
I remember the first time I was thrown from a horse. I was a tiny little baby man at the time but even I got back on after it.
The American Quarterhorse is superior to all other breeds of horse. Prove me wrong.
Protip: you can't.
What does /hg/ think of the use of whips/spurs/etc?
>>2105878
Cruel and unnecessary in the hands of literally 99% of people that use them.
>>2105878
Useful aids in the hands of a skilled/experienced horseman that knows their proper use. Unfortunately I have to agree with >>2105880 in that the overwhelming majority of people that use them don't know what the fuck they're doing and shouldn't be. These people use them as abusive implements instead of extensions of their seat/leg/voice aides.
>>2104305
>>no good reason not to
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/helmet-wearers-make-riskier-gambles.html
>>2105878
Always useless, never does more good than harm, and can be easily done away with regardless. Even as a direction tool whips are amazingly sub par on every level you could rate them in. Bits are objectively some of the worst piece of tac invented.
>>2106056
>Bits are objectively some of the worst piece of tac invented.
How so?
>>2106059
They aren't ever necessary, and are one of the harshest things on the animal out of all aids. You nearly can't have one that doesn't hurt the animal thanks to the sensitivity of their gums, and obedience in response to pain is always going to be more prone to panic and stress than direction built up from trust and practice. All you need is a halter, and practice with your horse, and you can guide them just fine without one.
>>2106063
>They aren't ever necessary, and are one of the harshest things on the animal out of all aids. You nearly can't have one that doesn't hurt the animal thanks to the sensitivity of their gums,
Gonna need a sauce on that. Ever heard of a hard-mouthed horse?
>>2106067
http://www.thinklikeahorse.org/bit%20study%20one.pdf
>>2094754
just shave that shit off and start again jesus.
>>2106070
Gotta say I agree with some of what that says, but there's a huge difference between a simple snaffle bit and the thing they show in that article that looks more like a torture device than a bridle. If you're trying to prove a point that ALL bits are harmful why trot out such an extreme example immediately? A simple snaffle bit and soft hands won't cause that kind of pain and damage.
>>2106077
its a summery from a magazine article. if you want the actual sources you need to scroll down to the bottom and click the links to the literature and studies. without that part, it's not even a source.
>>2106079
I suppose I should clarify, they aren't links, but I'm so used to highlight and search that I tend to think of anything as one.
>>2106116
It's not just that he did it a couple times, there's only one source listed that doesn't include people he's collaborated with on this particular issue. Though that sort of echo chamber does sound like something Rick Gore would support.
>>2106116
>>2106167
I've given you rich number of sources
you are making up excuses to not read it. "its all by just one guy!"
If you have a disagreement with this guy, the proper thing to do is read his papers and see how it holds up. if rick gore had a problem with this, it wouldn't be on his site. The guy is a veritable wealth of information, and almost every single bit I can think of has been true, but he has never cared much for adjusting his tone to help the uninitiated learn, preferring the stern and angry ranting parental approach.
If you have a problem with these studies, ie than the lack of peer reviews, I suggest you seek them out, no doubt another excuse not to spend the time and effort to use less damaging tac and communicating with your horse. Given my understanding of human psychology, I doubt you'd ever even read this or other related study in the literature, you're just looking for the first red flag to give you an excuse to quite before you get in deep enough to learn something that might contradict your convictions.
Bits cause pain to the animal, They are not necessary to train a horse.
Either way, I have backed up the facts I've given, and I'm not about to do a whole dissertation for how you are wrong on the internet.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=horse+bits+abuse&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C43
If you care for your horse, get off your ass and question yourself by doing reading for a change. If you only want to pretend you care, call me a faggot. or do both, why not?
Why can't humans leave horses alone
They want to eat grass
Not have a person sat on top of their spine
>>2106370
At least we protect them from predators.
>>2106372
I thought their only natural predators were cougars?
>>2106351
It doesn't count as a 'rich number of sources' if they all come from one team, and in particular one guy who's turned this into a crusade (he's this side of the only one working on this, as far as far as published papers in the last few years go). And Rick Gore agreeing with it isn't helping the credibility considering that, on top of every other issue tied to him, he has a ton of strange and brow-beating crusades of his own.
I've done plenty of reading on this subject, and frankly it's an interesting theory but far too premature to be declared as fact. And, yes, even if you're going to try and brush it off the lack of peer review is a MASSIVE part of that issue. It's even more premature to suggest that people don't care about their horses if they don't follow this guy's guidelines.
>>2106370
But we wuz tribe n shiet
>>2106384
Also wolves and bears, but basically any large predator they came across would at least try and take a swing (crocs are a major threat in infested regions, for example).
>man where I board owns an Arabian gelding
>horse is tiny, maybe 15 hands at best, probably not even that
>guy easily weighs 350 lbs or more
>rides the poor animal at least an hour every day
>you can see the suffering on the poor creature's face as he's completely lathered in sweat after less than 5 minutes, trembling and practically begging someone to help him
How the fuck is this not considered animal cruelty? I've spoken out about it before but was pretty much told to mind my own business. Other boarders I've talked to don't seem to care.
>think /an/ has got to be joking, no 100+kg landwhale would ever get on a horse
>google it
>it's true
Sweet merciful Jesus why?!
>>2106717
Seriously! WTF. I grew up around horses and working my grandma's ranch. I am now an overweight fucked up landwhale. Do I ride horses now? Fuck no! I refuse to ride any horses until my weight drops to 200 or less. I could get away with riding a draft horse, but my knees are too fucked up to properly mount and dismount such a large horse.
>>2107286
Even if you can't ride, if you want to keep doing equine sports you could always get into driving. It involves plenty of time and work with horses, provides for a lot more fun and competition than people tend to give it credit for, and is far easier on the animal in terms of load bearing (they can safely carry 20% of their body weight, but with the right cart can pull up to 50%).
>tfw the grass is always greener on the other side
>>2107459
I don't think I've ever seen a horse do that before to eat grass through a fence.
>>2107530
He'd rather do this to get fresh grass than eat from the round bale that was literally 10 feet behind him.
>>2107327
Horses can pull far more than their own weight, when that weight is on wheels. Two tons of hay on a one-ton wagon is nothing for a team of draft horses that weigh less than a ton apiece.
Also, Rick Gore is a moron who wants to be the Angry Pat Parelli.
Bits are only as harsh as the hands that hold them.
>>2107726
>Bits are only as harsh as the hands that hold them.
I agree with that for the vast majority. But there are some bits that are inexcusably severe such as chainsaw/bike chain, twisted wire , etc.. Their entire point isn't communication so much as to just cause quite a bit of pain, and there are even options to put them on shanks to make the pressure all that much higher.
There's no way someone can claim to care about the welfare of the animal if that's what they're resorting to, I don't care how soft they insist their hands are.
>>2107852
I've honestly never understood the point in riding in anything more than a simple snaffle bit. If you need a harsh bit to get your horse to do what you want, you'e a shit horseman.
>>2107887
Every horse is different, and depending on what you do with them (upper level dressage, for example, generally requires a double bridle) there are times where harsher or specialized tack is required.
That being said, a lot of people do jump to more severe things before than re-evaluating why the softer options aren't working. Some never bother to question it at all, many in large part because their trainer is going for the quick fix. The equestrian community in general tends not to stop and ask 'why?' for much of anything, though, unfortunately.
>>2107286
>>2107905
I hope that cow went to slaughter.
>>2107896
>depending on what you do with them (upper level dressage, for example, generally requires a double bridle) there are times where harsher or specialized tack is required.
This is why I have zero respect for the show horse industry. No consideration for the horse's well-being whatsoever 99.9% of the time.
>>2107914
A double bridle isn't really a bad thing, if that's what you were taking from my post? It's used not to train, but to polish. It gives the rider an extra tool for communication in a sport where what you're asking the horse to do is very complex, but your aids are mandated to nearly be invisible. Properly handled, a double bridle shouldn't cause any discomfort even if shanks are required for the system to work. The Spanish Riding School, considered among of the pinnacles of good horsemanship, utilizes them all the time for that very reason.
I mean, don't get me wrong. Every discipline has a whole bunch of horrible practices that get swept under the rug, which almost always gets worse when money and prestige go up, and the abuse of aids is a big part of that. But just the reality that sometimes a complex discipline will require more than the absolute simplest and softest of tack isn't really a rallying cry.
>>2107947
If that "complex discipline" necessitates inflicting pain to force unnatural movement or body positions (such as dressage) then yes, I have a problem with it.
>>2108034
I never said it caused pain, in fact i said the exact opposite. You just keep jumping to that conclusion.
>>2108112
That's not what the term means. Harsher just means exerting more pressure, that doesn't mean it has to or ever will reach the point of causing pain. If it does, sure it's not acceptable, but it's fallacious to assume the horse must be in pain just because it's being ridden in something beyond a snaffle.
>>2108114
Can you give me an example of a natural body movement that is impossible to ask a horse for riding under a simple snaffle? Not one that's simply easier with a harsher bit, but one that is literally "impossible" without it.
There's no excuse for lazy horsemanship, particularly if that comes at the cost of causing increased discomfort or pain to the animal. Equipment does not make a horseman.
>>2108120
The issue is not the movements themselves, it's signalling to the horse which movement you want when. And when you have a wide variety to signal, and a very limited range of motion to do that with, you want all the tools you can get. Hence the second set of reins, and the reason this is only a part of very high levels of dressage. Again, the double bridle is a refining tool meant for already fully-trained horses who can utilize the enhanced communication, and riders skilled enough to know how to use it responsibly.
Again there's no reason you should have to to reach the level of either discomfort or pain, and I never said there was. And, used correctly, no bit outside of those purposely designed to cause pain (such as the twisted wire mentioned earlier) should be uncomfortable for the horse whatsoever.
The issue is not the tack, it's the rider. A simple snaffle in bad hands will cause far more damage than a shank bit in good ones.
>>2108133
>A simple snaffle in bad hands will cause far more damage than a shank bit in good ones.
I agree with pretty much all of what you said. I guess I'm just too used to people immediately rushing to defend pointless cruelty, and I think this comes from my personal observation that there are far more terrible riders using tack they have no business using than there are good riders using it correctly/as intended (not even mentioning certain bits and other tack that shouldn't even exist in the first place because it's essentially a torture device).
You see enough people yanking on a horse's mouth with a fucking cathedral port bit and the like and it wears on you.
>>2108136
Oh, no, I agree. There are far too many people using tack they aren't qualified for, and tack seemingly designed for people who shouldn't be handling animals at all. A lot of horses do suffer for it, and it's disgusting how echo chambers and handshakes try to make it seem alright. There needs to be a lot more crack down on offenders from the ground up, and not just in the show ring.
I think you'll be happy to know that snaffle tests (where you perform a simple routine in a snaffle to make sure you're not only able to perform because of harsh tack) are becoming a common part of qualifying for higher level competitions. There's a *long* way to go to stamp out issues in the discipline, but it's a step in the right direction.
>>2108161
To add, what my barn does for teaching shanks is using a horse hair training method. You rig up the reins like this with a single strand of horse hair, and if you're using too much pressure it'll snap. And trust me, you don't want to see my trainer when it does.
I wish more trainers would implement pressure tests like this. If you can't handle it, you have no business riding in something with leverage.
>>2108163
That's interesting, I've never seen that before.
What is your opinion about him?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC413ZepFqtG6Bhb8Lv7ugFA
>>2108210
He's a lot less abusive and more down to earth than other big name NH'ers like Clinton Anderson and Parelli. But you can see a lot signs of stress on the horses he uses for demonstrations (lip licking, repeated yawning, etc.) which make it clear they're trained to behave in a relaxed fashion rather than actually being relaxed.
He also rides 2 year olds, and that's just terrible.
>>2108221
This
>>2108221
Lip licking is a sign of stress? I've heard it was a sign that they're paying attention and it's good when they're doing that.
>>2108403
It's a great con, isn't it?
"Nah, that's not a well-documented sign of discomfort, that means he's responding well to my program! Buy more tapes and gear!"
>>2108421
Get off your high horse, I wasn't attempting to make a counter argument, you shit. I was just sharing something I was told (and, arguably, was told wrongly), nothing more.
>>2108424
That wasn't meant to be argumentative, I was just saying this is why that misinformation is spread.
>>2093742
Take a look at this ad.
Cry a lot
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-livestock/sarnia/horse-riding-club-saddle-up-looking-for-a-few-good-men-or-women/568967030
>>2108646
I don't get what's supposed to be making me cry.
>>2108646
The fuck is up with that horse's back?
230th for horses are EVIL SATANS with AROUND THE CORNER DEADLY FRANKENSTEIN RADIO CONTROLS even in WHITE PEDIGREE MALES
Thoughts on rearing bits?
They're basically compulsory in the Australian racing industry, which I'm a part of for the moment.
>>2107459
I want to cum inside that horse.
>>2108939
It's used to attempt to make up for the fact that the horses are too immature to be working as they are, and are almost always poorly trained manners-wise to boot. That the people using them are often jerking the horses around doesn't help at all.
At best, you're going to end up with horribly hard-mouthed horses.
>>2108939
I'd never heard of a "rearing bit" and had to look it up. I know that bit as a chifney.
>>2108939
>racing industry
You should consider suicide immediately.
>>2108946
/mlp/ plz
>>2108666
The sway back on these animals is horrid. Both of them.
>>2107905
Dude! Does that bitch weigh more than the horse she's trying to ride? The fuck?
>>2108136
When I was a teenager I just got sick of using tack with my horse at all. It just seemed so pointlessly cruel. He was the horse I learned to ride on anyway and we'd been working together for years. There really was no point to a saddle or bridle for us anyway. We were so good with physical and vocal cues that there just wasn't a need.
I also figured that since anytime he saw a saddle he would inflate like a balloon, that the saddle had to be causing him discomfort. Also, I decided that the bridle was too harsh and rode him for a long time with just a halter and a lead rope and eventually decided that I didn't really need that either.
No regrets. Eventually the rest of my family had to stop riding him because he would respond very negatively any time they tried to saddle him up. After my constantly babying him and not using tack at all, he had some strong opinions about saddles and bits. My family seriously considered him to be dangerous and then we would fly by later in the day with no tack and no cares in the world. Lol.
Horses are surprisingly sensitive for such huge animals. A little leg pressure, a little hand pressure, a change in posture, a soft vocal cue, etc is all you really need. So long as your horse is well trained and you have respect for each other.
>>2108948
I'm the guy you're responding to.
You confirm my opinions on the matter.
This industry ruins some truly beautiful animals.
>>2108955
Why? So the employee who gives more of a fuck about the welfare and happiness of the horses is no longer there for them?
I have only one other co-worker who I trust has the best interests of these animals at heart.
So no, I won't kill myself, you ignorant fuck. Because of me, cruelty towards these animals has been measurably reduced and through not being an asshole to them and being gentle and chill I have improved the happiness and manners of many of them.
If I could flick a switch and end the industry tomorrow, I assure you I would. For now, though, I can do nothing except try to make their life as easy as possible. The industry will only stop when the gambling does.
You don't know who you're talking to. Go fuck yourself.
>>2110878
Bump limit is 500 though, isn't it?
If someone uses spurs/crop/whip, does that mean they are so inexperienced they don't know how to make the horse go with only their legs/kissing noise?
>>2109116
The industry is great for purging out the shitty genetics in thoroughbred horses. Only the best make it and the rest are trash and simply victims of Darwinism.
Too much money and power is invested in our industry. Go ahead and try and pull the plug. You are pretty much a nobody and You'll be found dead in a ditch a week later.
>>2111404
No. Those tools are refining tools and should only ever be used by an extremely experienced rider.
About horse racing. What would happen if the jockey rode the horse at the same speed he does during the race, but while sitting on the horse like most people do instead of the "jockey position"? Would he be able to stay on top of the horse even at such high speed?
>>2111429
Christ you're salty.
I'm only working here while I study. I'll be fine. Thanks.
I agree with your sentiments on the industry. I only take issue with your continuing attempts at being an asshole.
>>2111038
Maybe different on some boards? I had 250 in mind.
>>2111547
The reason jockeys ride like that is to try to make a little wind resistance as possible and to interfere with the horse's action as little as possible. To be as small and unobtrusive as they can be.
>>2094384
>>2111429
>The industry is great for purging out the shitty genetics in thoroughbred horses
What, like Native Dancer's infamous glassy-ankled legacy? The industry is great for producing horses that are able to run very fast for a short period of time, but there's known genetic problems with several of the prizewinning lines leading to high rates of breakdowns and career unsoundness. Sixty years ago, racehorses would routinely run 50 starts in a career and be expected to retire sound, today a horse can run ten or fewer times drugged up on painkillers with his feet held together by glue for the last half of his career, and he's hailed as a champion, retired at three and siring hundreds of offspring before he's even reached full maturity himself. Interestingly, steeplechase/jump racing/eventing TBs tend to be failed flat racers, and these genetic trashheaps can be competing well into their teens because they're built like the slower, sounder racehorse of the past, instead of the broad-chested, over-muscled, glass-ankled sprinter babies that tear themselves apart over an eighteen month career.
As it happens, I'm not totally opposed to horse racing as an industry, but anyone remotely involved in it knows that there's some shitty genetics running right through the prizewinning lineages that result in a lot of fast, fragile horses that are lucky to get through half a dozen races. Big Brown didn't succeed through pure 'Darwinism', it wasn't his superior genes that wired his feet up and glued his cracking hooves together and kept him running flat-out despite injury. A lot of shitty genetics clearly do go unpurged because they're shitty, but not necessarily unprofitable.
>>2112114
I read an article ages ago that theorized the change in breeding practices is due to the insane increase in yearling prices. Breeders now choose horses in hopes they'll get a massive payday before the foal even steps onto the track, and don't really care how long of a career it'll have past that.
>>2112114
>retired at three and siring hundreds of offspring before he's even reached full maturity himself.
It gets worse than that. There's a mad scramble to breed a stallion as much as possible in the first 3-4 years so that, if his offspring are terrible on the track, at least you already milked him for all he was worth.
Back in the day, there was a cap at 40-50 mares per season. Now, at the highest end, a stallion can cover 800+ mares before anyone knows if he's a decent stud or not.
>>2111816
>To be as small and unobtrusive as they can be.
Because whipping the shit out of them is totally unobtrusive...
In my last lesson I rode a mare that didn't need leg aids at all. To trot or gallop I just had to do the kissing noise. Sweet and scary at the same time, it seemed like she wanted to be a racing horse, she was so fast.
>>2107459
>face down
>ass up
......
