How the fuck do I overcome my addiction to porn and masturbation? I've tried cold turkey and the longest I can go is 3 days before my cock is constantly hard and I'm basically panting all the time from extreme horniness.
After a few days, even if I see a woman in a bikini, not even seductive or anything, I'll become diamonds and HAVE to cum.
I've been jerking off daily for 20 years and sometimes it does affect my sexual relations. Sometimes just to cum while I'm having sex I'll have to think of my favourite scene and once or twice I haven't even been able to get it hard with a girl unless I'm slamming my sausage down her throat or something else that's a little more 'extreme' than your standard stuff.
How do I break this 20 year long addiction?
>>17341517
I have the exact same problem.
Almost ruined the relationship im in now because I couldnt get hard for a grill IRL but I would jack it to weird shit on a Reddit neo nazi online forum.
Things that have helped me:
- not actually cumming while looking at porn; as in jerking it is fine and edging, but actually orgasming should be done without porn
- using only auditory stimulation (i.e. those chirbit links in /fsa/ hnnng)
- just jerking it without any stimulation
I found the last one especially difficult before I had any real sexual intimacy with females. It still is difficult, but at least it doesn't ruin my erections with a grill
The biggest hurdle for me is overcoming the jerking it before bed habit. I havent been able to break it and it is putting me in more and more awkward situations.
Do you have this problem?
Become a Carpenter
>>17341517
>How the fuck do I overcome my addiction to porn and masturbation?
You need a hobby. I used to masturbate up to sever or eight times a day, until I started carpentry.
Being a carpenter gave me something to do and stop hammering my mind with porn. I no longer thing about nailing women 24/7 and my wood remains flaccid during most of the day - except when I have to nail an actual woman, of course.
>>17341807
Here, have a (You)
it's free
Masturbation and sexuality is woven into your everyday habits and thought processes. Find something else that you find valuable, do that thing. Focus on it.
Don't focus on not masturbating, how you long you haven't masturbated, etc. Just do something else.
3 days in the cutoff point for most people, seemingly. The arousal fades after that. Although going a week or so without orgasm seems to dull my mental state and emotions, personally. You just don't care about much and go through your day very bluntly, and with comparative apathy towards other people. Might work differently for you.
Also, don't convince yourself you're bored and are just going to look at some porn. It won't end that way.
>>17341517
I have tried numerous attempts at NoFap. It's very hard. I just relapsed again, but I think I fucking earned it, honestly, considering what's been going on lately and all the little victories I've been having in life.
90 days is the golden standard for NoFap, actually succeeding is the hard part. I just hope I keep getting better with each failed attempt. I need to stop my habits. I've masturbated enough to last me numerous lifetimes. I have experienced the phenomenon of masturbation. Also, I do not like the message that porn is sending out. It is absolute degeneracy.
>>17341838
Not all porn is degeneracy. Though I agree, once one becomes aware of what porn actually is they can recognize material that's arousing in a way that actually feels good, rather than just looks good.
Most porn is garbage.
>>17341849
I disagree. All porn is degeneracy. It promotes slut culture and sends the wrong message of how people should conduct themselves. It is an insult to decency. I'd rather have my own woman I can do things with, and she can have me too.
>>17341956
>It promotes slut culture and sends the wrong message of how people should conduct themselves. It is an insult to decency.
Can you elaborate?
>I'd rather have my own woman I can do things with, and she can have me too.
This indirectly implies people shouldn't fantasize and should actively suppress interest in people they aren't "with".
I don't see anything wrong with seeing some attractive female working at the checkout of some store, and realizing I like her hair and her type of facial / nose structure. Hips, or whatever.
Too many embedded positions that don't work well with each other here.
>>17341967
>Can you elaborate?
But you know what I mean. Just relax a little bit. Porn promotes slut culture - rough sex, no morals, hooking up, people treating each other as disposable. No love, no decency involved, just degeneracy.
>This indirectly implies people shouldn't fantasize and should actively suppress interest in people they aren't "with".
>I don't see anything wrong with seeing some attractive female working at the checkout of some store, and realizing I like her hair and her type of facial / nose structure. Hips, or whatever.
No, I didn't imply that at all, you inferred that from my words for your own reasons, whatever they may be. Fantasizing is unfortunately a normal human thing, as long as we remain loyal, it doesn't matter. But yes, I believe it's the right thing to do suppress your urges for someone you're not with, especially if you are with someone else.
>>17341980
>Porn promotes slut culture - rough sex, no morals, hooking up, people treating each other as disposable.
It really doesn't, people do. Their environment isn't strict to blame for a lack of care for substantive and meaningful relationships. Some people don't want or care about anything other than hooking up, which I also think is fine if it's that way for both people.
>No love, no decency involved, just degeneracy.
And yet, there are whole genres of porn focused precisely on loving sex, masturbation, etc.
>you inferred that from my words for your own reasons
I inferred that because relative to my perspective it's a necessary logical consequence. The goal of this is for each of us to realize why our reasoning is generating different results.
>suppress your urges
We're not really talking about urges as much as thought and desire. I'd say the two are similar but separate. Fantasizing, like most things, is dualistic. If done intelligently (in moderation) and framed in a way that isn't obsessive or otherwise harmful to one's actual life overall, it's probably actually beneficial.
>>17342002
>It really doesn't, people do. Their environment isn't strict to blame for a lack of care for substantive and meaningful relationships. Some people don't want or care about anything other than hooking up, which I also think is fine if it's that way for both people.
Yeah, people promote slut culture, but then they do it through porn, which is why I dislike porn greatly.
>And yet, there are whole genres of porn focused precisely on loving sex, masturbation, etc.
Still not nearly as common, and all major religions and cultures saw slut culture and this entire paradigm as degenerate for good reason. It decays the social order.
>Fantasizing, like most things, is dualistic
People fantasize all day everyday, so do I, but I do my best to distract myself from it, as it's degenerate and can lead to even worse deviations. If I had a woman, I would put my energy into her, and try to only fantasize about her when she is not around. Fighting desire and losing to it or conquering it is one of the most genuinely human things that has ever existed, it's truly grassroots.
>>17342148
>Yeah, people promote slut culture, but then they do it through porn, which is why I dislike porn greatly.
Porn exposure might contribute somewhat, but as I said, it's people. You must alter the human species to change what they're outputting and seeking out. If people stop caring for it, you'll stop seeing consistent production of facefucking, rough sex, or whatever.
>It decays the social order.
The human species has tried many, many, many times, and throughout history you generally see the same clustering of outcomes, the same patterns, the same beginnings, and the same ends. There's a reason for this. Humans are machines, we're of finite mind, and therefore we're made of relatively fixed constants and arrive at the same dynamics over time. Even technology only allows us to be the same thing in a new way.
Nothing we've ever created has net out as anything other than broken, degenerate, debaucherous, messes. It's time we accepted what we are and engineered hierarchical structures that actually work, and scrap them the moment they don't. This is mainly why the 60's movement was a failure.
>deviations
Fantasizing isn't necessarily deviation, whatever that means.
>>17341956
+1 to this. admirable point of view. i wouldn't want to be with a guy that is like OP. very gross.
>>17342170
>Porn exposure might contribute somewhat, but as I said, it's people. You must alter the human species to change what they're outputting and seeking out. If people stop caring for it, you'll stop seeing consistent production of facefucking, rough sex, or whatever.
Yes, this is correct. It's unfortunate that so many people either like performing the degeneracy, and/or like watching it. Porn is still degenerate because it represents all of what people do that is degenerate.
>The human species has tried many, many, many times...
>you generally see the same clustering of outcomes, the same patterns...
>Nothing we've ever created has net out as anything other than broken, degenerate, debaucherous, messes. It's time we accepted what we are and engineered hierarchical structures that actually work, and scrap them the moment they don't.
I'm trying to avoid large walls of text. I've learned my lesson with trying to make things 'new', everything is just a regurgitated circular cycle, yes, but that still doesn't mean that people can use that as an excuse to fall victim to the degeneracy that exists. In fact, I'd even say that because degeneracy is so widespread, resisting and conquering it makes it even more rewarding in the end.
>Fantasizing isn't necessarily deviation, whatever that means.
Deviation in the sense that fantasizing about brutal sex, and immoral behavior, even if you don't have a partner, but especially if you do have one, is a deviation and degeneracy. People have always had degenerate capabilities, but humans were always smart enough to use religion, friends, family and culture as a way to give people purpose, and happiness, and they used those things to stomp out degeneracy.
You talk about how humans have already tried everything, which is why I am puzzled when modern degenerates talk about how intelligent and groundbreaking they are. They are just weak rehashes of people that have always existed. Tech and leftism strengthens them.
>>17341956
Good riddance.
Have you guys noticed how porn is made? Most focus is put on the act of penetration, with actors touching as less as possible, so the camera can have a good view. I'm a virgin, but I doubt that real, intimate sex is anything like it.
And don't forget all the orgasm, big dick, big tits, big ass, degeneration and weird fetish worship.
Porn is a pleasure trap. Something that exploits our mechanism that was supposed to help us survive or reproduce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2btaDOBK8
>>17341517
We have all these technology and information on the internet and you decided to go cold turkey, the most difficult way to quit an addiction.
Desensitize
First 30 days, cut the average amount of porn and masturbation in half.
Next 30 days, cut the amount of porn and masturbation additional half.
Next 30 days, retain the amount you masturbate, but don't use porn.
etc, and keep going.
Do it the way it works for you.
What's an average amount of jacking off? I do it around once a day, just because it's so much more effective for me than anything at relieving stress.
>>17342595
If you jerk off once a day everyday, the average amount you jerk off on average is once everyday you retard.
>>17342600
What's an average amount that people jack off, as in what's too much and what isn't
I didn't realize I needed to specify for spergs.
