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>>144235738
>>>/v/
fuck off
/a/ - Anime & Manga.
>>144235763
>>144235887
http://myanimelist.net/manga/4208/Muv-Luv?q=muv%20luv
http://myanimelist.net/anime/11021/Muv-Luv_Alternative__Total_Eclipse?q=muv%20luv
>It's shit
>>144236061
Are you talking about the anime or manga? No?
Then it doesn't belong on this board.
This is the main antagonist and rival to the MC.
I'm excited about the steam release. Not for the actual VN, but more in a meta sense that it may herald more translated age content in the future. I've already played the trilogy to death, so it's difficult for me to get hyped.
Saying that, when are we going to get a Martyrs's trailer?When are we going to get more news about SM:Extra?
>>144238778
>Martyrs trailer
Probably in about a month
>SM: Extra
Pretty sure any plans for that were scrapped
>>144238855
>Pretty sure any plans for that were scrapped
That's a shame. Would've been nice to get a little bit ofhealing.
shit thread
>>>/v/
>>144238855
Wait, they were scrapped? When?
>>144238778
>dat Stasi symbol
triggered/10
is a torrent up any where?
>>144239536
I think the 666th symbol is way worse to be honest..
>>144239498
If not scrapped, then put on standby, only time will tell but as long as they're focusing on Martyrs theres probably not gonna be news for anything else for quite a while aside from Steam related stuff.
>>144239842
The Stasi has all the wrong symbols and the 666th is 3edge5me
>>144239861
>then put on standby
More like canned forever
>>144239885
Werewolves have the best patch.
>>144239971
>not having a lobster on your patch
get on my level
>>144240004
The deal with the Werewolves is that their patch looks tactful, badass, and something that actual communist soldier would wear.
>>144239933
At the very least they could release those illustrations. I want to see carefree beach queen Lise softly groping Katia.
>>144240174
If you had to, would you rather stick it in Theo, or Jurgen?
>>144240174
>Egyptian god
>communist
ok
Look at a real patch
What do you think of this opening?
https://vimeo.com/62685304
>babies first muv luv
>not the main series
>samefagging this hard
this is pathetic.
>>>/v/
>>144240216
Theo is definitely the bigger fucboi. He's almost as cute as some of the girls in the VN. If I had to penetrate one, I'd rather be staring into Theo's face as I watch him pant and blush. Jurgen would be better company and probably better for cuddling though.
>>144240371
But MuvLuv is part of the main series itself?
>>144240507
It may be obvious, but is there something new besides the new translation? I mean, some scenes, CGs and shit
![mkv_snapshot_17.37_[2016.06.28_09.54.10].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2r9NN3j.jpg "mkv_snapshot_17.37_[2016.06.28_09.54.10].jpg")
I feel like killing Beatrix and overthrowing the stasi were the right things to do, but I feel like they chose an extremely shitty time to do so. They should have waited until after the BETA offensive to pull off their coup. But then, their hands were kind of forced by Beatrix rounding them up for the funhaus as soon as she could.
>>144236214
Crap up your own ass man.
>>144241721
It's mostly polishing and updating ML to the newest engines. There's no major changes other then ML looking and sounding a lot better.
Welp, just found news that they kind of screwed up with the CGs because of the HD resolution.
Image related from the original game with the ammy patch.
>>144241968
The official steam version.
What the fuck, Degica.
>>144240274
first 29 second are well edited and mach the song.
>>144241968
>>144241994
>CG's cropped like shit
>Miki not addressing herself in thrid person
>Some of words that I know characters said being translated incorrect (like Kei saying "otskare" when leaving the class and it being translated as "peace out")
>REMOVING THE LA VIDA LOCA
>not being able to create a steam badge.
All this shit is killing extra for me, but then again I always have the old version so fuck it.
I would recommend for people to wait with buying this until someone fixes the CG and the missing song, because god the song they put in its place is shit.
この世界のテオドールは、アイリスと結婚する前に義兄のユルゲンと殴り合いをしでかしたのかな？
この穏やかな世界なら、ユルゲンとベアトリクス様も結婚してそうだから、テオドールとベアトリクス様はベルンハルト兄妹を通じて縁戚になる、と思うと複雑・・・
>>144242909
Yeah, the CGs really need to be fixed...
>>144243072
pure nonsense
Why didn't Lise just side with Irisdina and the rebels. Damn it, Lise!
>>144242909
>>144241994
>>144241968
Looks like they added a scroll feature for CGs that get cut like this.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/449830/discussions/0/359543542242173392/
>>144243072
That's pretty stupid. Iris's brother would never marry a stasi sociopath.
>>144243072
So how did Sylwia, Walter, and Iris die in the original?
どのようシルヴィア、ウォルター、とアイリスが元で死ぬのですか？
>>144243556
なお原作では
シルヴィア：ベルリンの壁に募った市民を殺傷する為に放たれた攻撃から市民を守る為、戦術機を盾にして死亡
ヴァルター：だいたい同じだが、ベアトにもうちょっと言いたい事言ってる
アイリスディーナ：既に瀕死だったアクスマンが地獄への道連れとカティアを撃とうとし、それを守って撃たれた
Is an uncensor patch needed?
>>144243217
Lise has been broken by the Stasi and genuinely believes that the only place she can be safe from the Stasi is within it.
>>144243661
Yes.
>>144243589
Something about Sylwia shielding the citizens at the Berlin Wall and dying when she came under fire.
Walter died having a conversation with Beatrix.
Irisdina took a bullet from a mortally wounded Axmann to save Katia.
>mfw normalfag videos of MuvLuv
>>144243589
>>144243833
Why did Walter try talking to Beatrix rather then just killing her? He could have easily done it too. I feel like Theo's the only guy who knows how to deal with the stasi.
>>144243268
Just tested it.
Seems they only implemented the scroll for any CGs that are in portrait orientation, like Marimo's darkstalkers cosplay. Anything else is cropped.
This is lame as fuck.
>>144244015
>thousands of kickstarter bucks
The zoomed in CGs is probably a thing for every version of ML thats in widescreen.
>>144243952
Honestly, Walter shouldn't of even given her the time of day after everything she'd done. Still, he probably couldn't stop seeing the little girl from 7 years in her. Too bad that that Beatrix no longer exists.
>>144244788
Well, it's Shirogane, he'd have something up his ass to pull out, literally.
Decensor patch when?
>>144244921
tree fiddy
>>144244788
So is the official translation good or was the fan translation better?
Posting best girls!
>>144243943
It was inevitable. All you need is a high profile streamer or youtuber to start recording it and the whole western Muv-luv fandom landscape is permanently changed for better or worse. This is the future you chose.
On the bright side its revitalized trilogy discussion and the better it does the sooner more can get translated. And not just "official" translations, fandubs will have greater odds of being completed the more attention Muv-luv in general gets.
>>144243696Lise a best
Just started reading it. Sumika best girl. Should I do all the girls routes before I start Unlimited?
>>144246503
Meiya and Sumika are recommended. others are optional.
>>144246503
I like your taste anon.
>>144246607
>>144246503
Sumika is a slut who likes alien cock.
>>144246675
Are you asking for punching?
>>144246503
You must read Kei's route no matter what, so you can come and fix that shit you just posted my friend
>>144246719
she sucks cocks for 1$
>>144246770
>>144246802
>>144246847
>>144246853
a slut.
>>144246901
>>144246675
wtf is this. Please tell me Sumika doesn't get a bad ending
>>144246932
what did you expect? she is a slut.
>>144246932
>endingIts basically how the whole thing starts.
Also, get the fuck out of this thread before you get spoiled.
>>144246951
>>144246959
Bah .. wrong version.
>>144246981
>>144247029
>>144243128
>>144243416
>>144243952
>>144244880
So much shit taste and opinions.
I wonder if I should clean up my folder and upload it somewhere.
>>144235738
Provide a link to get it or fuck off
I ain't paying for videogames, especiall for porn shit
>>144247176
>porn
They removed all the porn.
And nobody cares about the porn here.
>>144235763
>>144235887
>>144239124
>>144240371
pathetic samefag
>>144247122
It still seems stupid for Walter to take the risk.
I didn't recognize Isami Amai's voice the first time I played through EXTRA, but she actually voices a lot of background characters in the game.
>>144247342
I'll admit that it would have been smarter for him to reduce the TSF to its cockpit block before trying to reason with her, but there is no reason to call the attempt to capture her alive stupid.
Meiya is so perfect
>>144243589
Actually, one thing I just noticed is that they gave Walter's dialogue to Irisdina in the anime. Of course, it would have been far better had it been Walter to speak those lines, as his words and death played an important role in Beatrix's character development (or breakdown).
>>144247549
She was beyond saving. Besides, Walter must have known that either Theo, Suzy, Gretel, and dozens of others would have been lining up to have a go at Beatrix.
>>144247642
Still can't believe this hasn't been translated yet.
>>144247549
>Kill Beatrix
Loyalist morale immediately collapses and they give themselves up
>Capture Beatrix
They fight harder to try to free her
>>144247769
>>144247768
>Loyalist morale immediately collapses and they give themselves up
And they are executed right after to avoid any vengeance.
Few months later, executors fall to beta.
>>144247675
>She was beyond saving.
A matter of opinion.
>Besides, Walter must have known that either Theo, Suzy, Gretel, and dozens of others would have been lining up to have a go at Beatrix.
Irrelevant. Gretel was too terrified to her to do anything, Theo sees only saw her as the personification of the system, and letting Suzy run wild is what accelerated the fall of the new government anyways. Having her surrender and order her troops to stand down would have saved thousands of lives and preserved the fighting strength of the 666th and the NVA in general, and they could have put the Stasi personnel in penal battalions or something similar. It made, and makes perfect sense to try to take her alive.
>>144247769
>>144247786
Sumika is such a dumb slut
>>144247853
Hey, come to bed, anon!
>>144247912
Sumika is not a cheap slut!
>>144247912
>>144247956
Sluuuuuuuuut
>>144248025
I like where this thread is going
>>144248054
Praise be to this man.
He got us this after all:
>>144248642
Yui is love, Yui is life
>>144248642
>>144248676
You know the question.
>>144248698
None, i would not ruin this perfect body with pregnancy.
>>144248698
Monday: Yui
Tuesday: Stella
Wednesday: Cui
Thursday: Yui
Friday: Stella
Saturday: Cui
Sunday: Bridge bunnies
>>144248698
ALL OF THEM
>>144248731
I want to give Lise stretch marks and bigger feet and incontinence and osteoporosis and missing teeth and a big old blue vein across her tit.
You're damn right I'd ruin her body, but she'd be even cuter if it was my baby batter that did it to her.
Cui's posse or Bridge Bunnies?
>>144241968
>>144241994
>>144243116
I wouldn't hold my breath on them "fixing" the CGs, because their current cropped state is how age implemented the widescreen for the original All Ages release of ML, and for the console versions.
If you really need to see the full thing you can use rioX to extract the CGs from the game data, where they are present in full resolution.
>>144248851
Bridge bunnies if you like variety, Cui's girls if you have Yellow fever.
>>144248940
Muv-Luv team said in twitter that they will contact devs about this, but I'm kinda doubtful too what happens. Still kinda silly to blame localization team, like some people already have done.
>>144248840
I hope Freddy will visit you.
>>144248940
>If you really need to see the full thing you can use rioX to extract the CGs from the game data, where they are present in full resolution.
It's the same for Alternative by the way, most of the CGs are actually of a taller resolution than the game displays.
Muv-Luv is now on page one in most sold games in Steam. Does this mean its doing well there?
>Legit question .
>What this game can offer ? I mean, the only thing i see is a game full of fanservice, with a clichè storyline ( one guy and 50 multiple womans that looks really cute ) also pantyshots and body armor with... you know... and also a uncensored patch on the way and incredible unrealistic non-sense big eyes, looks like the visual novel clannad ( but at least i have some respect for it, since it looks like it has way less fanservice than this )
>So at this point i'm afraid of this game, it seems like it brings more fan service than actual plot, it looks like any other visual novel you can find on steam .
It's like the /vn/ First Days all over again
>>144249374
What the fuck is wrong with you, do you expect unretarded comments from youtube too?
Who the fuck cares, leave the retarded alone.
it was probably a false-flag coup
islamic parts of the military throw a sloppy coup so that erdogan and friends can shut them down and the rest of the largely secular army can get shafted with the support of the people just from guilt by association
rip turkey
Erdogan a shit
Tama a shit
Did someone say coup?
>>144249374
Post link so I can downvote the idiot.
>>144250669
Why care?
>>144250757
Because he is wrong! On the internet, nontheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05Nx17V_k6A
>>144249276
saw it at page one too, but for some reason its in page 10 or something now. no idea how those steam sale pages work
>>144251123
It's still at the top of popular new releases on the front page.
>>144237297
Looks like wife material to me.
>>144251777
da faq. isn't it only possible to draw?
>>144235738
Meiyabest girl
SumikaBETA dump
Marimoyou killed her! you bastard!
>>144251979
No.
>>144251907
you can win if you do the opposite of how takeru usually plays
mikoto knows takeru's usual moves and the way to deal with them, so if you don't use his moves mikoto won't win since he's relying too heavily on takeru's predictability
>>144252085
Wait, is this from the Ayu Mayu Maniax OVA?
>>144252124
AyuMayu Gekijou, first ep.
>>144252107
It's the little things that make this game great
>>144252085
Based Sensei putting down the law.
>those cropped images
then I guess Sumika's rape has been removed?
>>144252201
Thats in alternative, so we don't know.
But it is safe to assume they use PS version.
>>144252201That's in Alt.
And the Twizzlers edits came from the all-ages CGs anyway.
>>144249866
Yes Fagiri, a coup.
Funny enough, if we're talking Big Guys, I remember there being some scuttlebutt that the Incident was partly provoked and known by the CIA because they wanted to bait Saigiri and the coup people out and crush them before they led to Japan falling to the BETA, as would happen.It seems like it was either a false-flag by Erdo, or a last call by the Gullenists before they were arrested and purged. But it may actually turn into a civil war now, since the military doesn't seem to have acquiesced like we thought.And if we're talking Big Guys in this incident, CIA has basically been one of the long time backers of the secularists since forever.Incirlik AFB is on lockdown.
Today is the last day for SF prereg?
More ammunition for Mr. Frodo.
>>144252357
He's right you know. There's a reason we don't have spider tanks and shit in real life.
>>144252565
No.
Its because money is invested in shit like cancer research and fighting drugs.
>>144252565
Actually, spider tanks would make sense, since they can climb over harder terrain. They'll be more expensive though
>>144252565
Nah fuk you m78
>>144251777
There should be Steam achievement for achieving this feat
>>144252604
>>144252657
All these joints for folding legs just means more vulnerability and more weak spots.
Despite what others say, height matters, the higher you make your vehicle, the more chance you have of being shot. You can make your gun have more elevation if that's what you need, but if you make the vehicle taller, you're going to get hammered.
>>144252565
>not wanting to give spiders extra mobility
it's a smart idea. They'l be able to move out of your house faster than usual
>>144252762
Legs can both rise and lower the tank. Joints are a problem, but you can armor them, like knights armored their joints.
>>144252799
Australia would become more unlivable though.
>>144252310
> I remember there being some scuttlebutt that the Incident was partly provoked and known by the CIA because they wanted to bait Saigiri and the coup people out and crush them before they led to Japan falling to the BETA
Old copypasta related:
Let's see.
Muv-Luv Alternative:"Give political power to the shogun! Kill evil politicians! LONG LIVE THE SHOGUN BANZAI BANZAI". The shogun is the emperor's representative, worshipping the shogun makes no sense in any context at all. Granted, this is because of last minute changes to the script (Mitsurugi was originally meant to be the imperial family, not the shogun's family), but still. Also "evil politicians" = "people who don't respect the people of Japan" (more on this later).
Total Eclipse/TSFIA/Integral Works:Oh hey dumbass, your whole coup was planned by the CIA to root out extreme anti-American sentiment and wipe it out. That's why there were like entire fucking batallions of American troops coincidentally standing by where you were trying to stir up shit.
Alternative manga:There's a fucking volcano erupting in some prefecture, but the villagers are stubborn dicks who refuse to evacuate. Sakaki (prime minister) orders them removed by force. This is the right thing to do; They'll live, and that's what really matters. He looks down at a photograph of his family; One of the villagers who refused to budge was an old lady whose sons were killed in the war of the BETA. Her son fought for the sake of his family, he wouldn't want her to die like this. And then Sagiri bursts in "HOW DARE YOU, EVIL POLITICIAN, YOU BLEMISH THE SPIRIT OF GLORIOUS NIPPON YOU HAVE NO HONOUR FEEL THE WRATH OF MY KAMIKAZE" and kills Sakaki with a sword.
>>144252811
No no no, see the spiders would be moving so fast they'd never become a nuisence to humans.
It's like Betas if you just let them carry on their merry way they'l assist in getting some ore from your planets surface
>>144252809
>Legs can both rise and lower the tank
Why would it ever not be a normal tank then?
>Joints are a problem, but you can armor them, like knights armored their joints.
Just makes them heavier and more complex to deal with when they get busted.
>>144252938
It could rise from behind the wall, shoot and lower itself again. And traverse rubble that any tank will have problems with.
>>144252839
>>144252965
>It could rise from behind the wall, shoot and lower itself again.
More complexity and cost. Also, hydropneumatic suspensions are a thing.
>And traverse rubble that any tank will have problems with.
Infantry would do that job better and not be food for ATGM's.
Faggetsremoving that Takemikazuchi from the main menu backgroundand putting them into the Steam cards instead and not applying fade effects. No sense of subtlety.
I want to sleep on those love pillows.
>>144235738
Important question: Will the developer provide a 'patch'?
>>144253672
yes
>>144253672
Yes. And its most likely done already. They are just keeping it hostage.
>>144253736
What is the ransom?
>>144253812
another 2 million dollars
>>144253812
New car for Cookie
>>144252839
Glorious!
See that's a funny thing I love about ML. Maybe it parallels Koukhi's evolving political leanings, but America, especially the CIA, is presented as these horribly evil guys, and then as more works unfold, you not only realize what you weren't seeing the first time, you then realize you were so very, very wrong.
He does the same thing with the story in general. It makes your second watching much more painful.
If Saigiri had made it in, Japan would have died. Watching TE, I kind of realized too it's very fortunate Yui had come to Alaska when she did. She would have instantly joined the coup in her old mind.
Now that I recall, if Yuuya hadn't been shipped out too, he'd have been transferred to the Infinities as well with Leon and Sharon. And seeing as how they seem to sometimes do stuff for the CIA, we could very easily have had Yui and Yuuya in a death fight.
>>144252839
Was the imperial family involved in any way in the coup attempt? Do we even know who the Emperor, or hell, Empress is?
>>144254032
>Koukhi
who?
>>144251777
What is this Temjin doing here?
>>144252762
>Despite what others say, height matters
No. No it really doesn't.
Non-aerial things move laterally across the ground, not up and down. Whenever something moves, tracking it requires sideways movement, so the thinner the object is the harder it will be to hit. For any given size, weight and volume, a tall walker will effectively present a more difficult target than a short but wide wheeled or tracked vehicle. That goes double if the walker is properly designed and can go prone.
A conventional tank is very long and the worst part is that moving sideways makes it a bigger target. If it isn't moving sideways, then it is presenting its front to the enemy and thus is only able to move back and forth, which turns its chances of getting hit by any weapon made by the first world from <100% to just about 100%. Incidentally, this is why tanks have the thickest armor on the front. It is literally the dumbest kind of structure design ever made for the sake of working within the currently available technology we have, with no more complex strategy than "have as big a gun as possible and shoot first" and "hope the front glacis is thick enough we don't all die in one shot".
So yes, "conventional wisdom" is shit, because they've never bothered to think about it beyond the simplest terms of combat, nor did they really have to since the atom bomb was created. The inflexibility and dogmatic training given seems to tell people like you that you're the fucking best in the world and that there is absolutely no better way of doing it. Gonna get some poor sods killed when someone actually brings mechs into the world and uses them intelligently.
I can't take this anymore
>>144254535
>For any given size, weight and volume, a tall walker will effectively present a more difficult target than a short but wide wheeled or tracked vehicle. That goes double if the walker is properly designed and can go prone.
Assuming 100% efficiency, which it wont, it'll have the same mobility as a person. This ain't fast enough to dodge a rocket.
>A conventional tank is very long and the worst part is that moving sideways makes it a bigger target. If it isn't moving sideways, then it is presenting its front to the enemy and thus is only able to move back and forth, which turns its chances of getting hit by any weapon made by the first world from <100% to just about 100%.
Walkers are basically by definition extremely top-heavy. Unless they've got a setup like a spider, in which case they're absurdly wide and long for how much actually usable vehicle there is. Not to mention the nightmare it must be for maintenance and how many failure points it will have for breaking down.
The only place I can imagine a walker would be better than a tracked vehicle would be in insanely rough going terrain. But even then, there's infantry to take on said terrain and do so with more flexibility. But in MOST situations a tank is going to be a better option. Especially in frontline warfare and in most rough terrain tracks are just better. Lower ground pressure, less points of failure, easier maintenance, etc. Walkers will never take over the role of tanks. They might fit a scouting role.
>>144254604
>AGES 7.0
>not rUGP
And you guys support this localization?
>>144255194
They tried so hard, and got so far.
>>144254604
And you are mad about what?
>>144248840
Which girl's panties would you steal?
>>144255518
Lise, Irisdina's or Beatrix's.
>>144255518
Meiya's, Stella's, Lilia's, Sharon's, Inia's, and Lise's. Not that I would, only if it would serve the betterment of mankind of course.
>>144254535
>It is literally the dumbest kind of structure design ever made for the sake of working within the currently available technology we have, with no more complex strategy than "have as big a gun as possible and shoot first" and "hope the front glacis is thick enough we don't all die in one shot".
What is this, the 60's? 1st World tanks can take a beating. It's why most "destroyed" Abrams for example are mobility kills.
>>144255518
>stealing panties
what are you like 12?
I can't help but think how cringeworthy Unlimited is after finishing Alternative.
>>144255808
>not stealing the underwear of the girl you love
>>144235738
>31,99€
I don't think so.
>>144255164
>Assuming 100% efficiency
Efficiency is not the relevant point here. That section of the argument was purely addressing the difficulty of hitting a tall rather than a short target. If you want to get into movement speed, which is what I'm seeing from the power efficiency argument, realize that the jittery movement of walkers and the ability to change height and make quick trajectory changes (sidestepping, sidestep while running). That should more than make up for the lower straight line ground speed, not to mention that difficult terrain has less of an impact on walker speed than rolling speed.
And you don't dodge fire, you move simply to make it more difficult to hit you by not being a stationary target.
>tracked vehicle would be in insanely rough going terrain. But even then, there's infantry to take on said terrain
So you fight tracked and wheeled vehicles from rough terrain. You bombard them from a position that they cannot enter. Then when they send in infantry to try and solve the problem, they get slaughtered. Air power is discounted for the sake of this thought experiment scenario because both sides are assumed to have equal air forces countering each other.
Like others have pointed out before, there are a lot of firing positions that have never been considered before because of the poor mobility of wheels and tracks. Just being able to shoot around corners alone is a massive advantage in urban areas. Urban areas aren't exactly difficult to move in with their roads, but that only concerns the ability of a vehicle to get around and not how they actually get to position themselves and fight. For example, most conventional AFVs have their turret mounted on their centerline; this is a serious problem for urban warfare because the front tip of a vehicle will become vulnerable first when rounding a corner without any good way for it to fire unless the structure has weak walls. No such issue exists for sidestepping, leaning, tangoing walkers.
>>144255857
>not getting free key from Kickstarter
>>144255797
Amendment:
>If it isn't moving sideways, then it is presenting its front to the enemy and thus is only able to move back and forth, which turns its chances of getting hit and instantly destroyed in one shot by any weapon made by the first world from <100% to just about 100%.
>>144254061
No info to both questions.
>>144255289
linkinpark.png
>>144235738
>interdimensional
good job on spoiling it
>>144254127
Yoshimune Kouki, chief age dev.
>>144255808
>not wanting to see cute girls pout
>>144256035
>>144255848
t. virgins
>>144256077
Dear god you retarded child try to be more subtle with your bait next time
>>144255875
>Efficiency is not the relevant point here. That section of the argument was purely addressing the difficulty of hitting a tall rather than a short target.
And it isn't exactly easier to hit a moving tank with an RPG.
>poor mobility of wheels and tracks.
Modern tanks are pretty mobile, dude.
>Like others have pointed out before, (...) [Urban combat]
Tanks get rekt in cities, yes, but everything gets wrecked in cities. Infantry takes horrendous casualties in dense urban fighting compared to anywhere else. All vehicles take crazy losses. It's still smart to send the tanks in with the infantry because having heavy direct fire armored support greatly improves the survivability of the infantry. Tank losses go way up in urban terrain, but not even as much as infantry losses.
I don't see how legs, a taller profile and for arguments sake lighter armor are going to help the fundamental problem of getting ambushed from all sides.
>>144255979
>Kouki embracing his inner Slav,jpg
>>144256265
He already followed the ways of the STALKER creator.
>asking Sylwia if she's Russian
>turning all the crosses in Irisdina's room upside down
>scratching Gretel's glasses in a way it gives her a headache
>>144256356
>How to get killed by the 666th.txt
How does the prereg work? If you rolled a few times in the last couple of weeks?
https://web.archive.org/web/20100112120144/http://www.taka-sho.jp/age
(former? not sure if still in) Japanese MP's review of Alternative.
>>144256919
What party?
>>144256951
LDP I think.
>>144256951
Democratic Party. Shouichi Takahashi, Diet member from '09-'12.
>>144256262
>And it isn't exactly easier to hit a moving tank with an RPG.
A moving tank is wide, it is objectively easier to hit than a tall but slim vehicle because it is a larger target along the direction of movement. Moving directly towards or away from the shooter is just as good as not moving.
>Modern tanks are pretty mobile, dude.
By what standards? They're poor by the standards of other things that live on this planet. They are good in terms of not being as bad as WW1 tanks.
>I don't see how legs, a taller profile and for arguments sake lighter armor are going to help the fundamental problem of getting ambushed from all sides.
By being straight up superior when in a direct confrontation rather than an ambush, and by being the ones that can set up ambushes from a far greater number of angles. If collateral damage is not a concern, then creating roadblocks and damage will only aid the walker since it will never be affected. A simple line of dragons teeth tank traps along a road can completely halt the movement of conventional vehicles, forcing them to take other routes or slowing them down as infantry clears the obstacles. No such distractions short of (maybe) a completely toppled skyscraper will stop a walker vehicle, so the forces that employ them are free to destroy and shape the environment as they see fit to control the enemy's movements while generating even more cover for the mechs. We both agree that infantry can't bring the kind of firepower that vehicles can, so having them available in more situations is a net plus.
Who 200 rolls here.
>>144257430
get on my level pleb.
So, second slot gacha is tomorrow?
>>144257427
>A moving tank is wide, it is objectively easier to hit than a tall but slim vehicle because it is a larger target along the direction of movement. Moving directly towards or away from the shooter is just as good as not moving.
And a moving tank is not easy to hit with a rocket. I can guarantee you that a mech would be nowhere near as fast, well-armored and well-armed as any conventional combat vehicle.
>By what standards? They're poor by the standards of other things that live on this planet.
If you don't know then I wouldn't bring it up, anon.
>By being straight up superior when in a direct confrontation rather than an ambush, and by being the ones that can set up ambushes from a far greater number of angles
They would take insane losses in urban combat, there is no magical world where vehicles don't get shit on in urban combat. Not even hypothetically. Tall slim walkers can enjoy an IED to the knee, an RPG to the knee because your mech is too tall and all Hajis are hiding at the street level, the mech itself getting stuck between buildings and not being able to spin in its own axis as easily as tanks and most IFVs can, the mech itself actually, contrary to what you believe having to spend time negotiating debris and obstacles littering urban terrain which are things most tracked vehicles just drive above or through because they have a distributed mass, having a large target profile making it easy to be targeted by weapons that would have a hard time disabling a tank, and last but not least can enjoy filling a niche that is already filled by other vehicles like helicopters, scout cars, SPGs, wheeled and tracked IFVs and AFVs and MRAPs.
>>144257427
>By what standards?
yours a mech is less mobile because it's legged, and legs are a more inefficient means of propulsion than wheels or tracks
>tfw no Yugoslavia front VNsteam release
>>144258544
>tfw no avro arrow tsf gf
Make. It. Stop.
>>144258544
Suffering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ
>>144248840
>Lise bullying
>And a moving tank is not easy to hit with a rocket. I can guarantee you that a mech would be nowhere near as fast, well-armored and well-armed as any conventional combat vehicle.
Two completely unrelated statements, but given the first statement it seems we're starting to go into the realm of magical thinking and escalating justifications now.
>the mech itself getting stuck between buildings and not being able to spin in its own axis as easily as tanks and most IFVs can
Oh for fucks sake. No, I'm out. In your imaginary world, martial artists in powered wheelchairs drive circles around normal people as they clumsily bumble around. This is the point where tanks will start doing every trick you need them to do in order to declare victory so there is no point going on with this.
>>144258469
Okay then, cut off your legs and start wheelchairin' it. Take it easy, there's no rush.
>>144248840
The only thing I agree on is missing teeth, because I want to beat her up and scream that Theo doesn't love her and thinks she's a trash whore.
>>144258713
>tfw no Grach TSF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpkey2MRM-A
I forgot how much of a cretin Takeru is at the beginning of Extra, specially towards best girl. He sort of deserved everything that happened to him.
Fancy finding you there, Marika.
>>144259459
Yeah. Its little painful considering how is he in alternative.
>best girl
I like you.
>>144259220
>realm of magical thinking and escalating justifications now.
As opposed to your realm of magical thinking that a larger profile is objectively harder to hit?
>Oh for fucks sake. No, I'm out.
Ah, the classic "I never read any field op manuals so I'll automatically assume a fictional piece of equipment is superior to the real world".
>In your imaginary world, martial artists in powered wheelchairs drive circles around normal people as they clumsily bumble around.
Your deflection of the topic has been noted, and making up things I never said and arguing against those is not a rebuttal.
>This is the point where tanks will start doing every trick you need them to do in order to declare victory so there is no point going on with this.
As opposed to the point where mechs start doing every trick you need them to do in order to declare victory? Nothing I've said is actually false. There is no point to this discussion because mechs are not real so you're already arguing from a dogma where you have to assume you are not wrong to begin with.
I thought Takeru was supposed to be fully voiced?
Is he just not in Extra? I need muh Kira.
>>144259808
That money went down on a lease for a '69 mustang during cookie's visit to LA
>>144259808
Nah. That was only one of the "what if" options for final stretch goal.
They picked Codex translation instead.
>>144259601
I like you too, anonymous.
This finally feels like a classic Muv Luv thread. Sumika Window is in the OP, people are having the stupid argument about tanks versus mechs, Frodo has been posted at least once already. Can't wait for the part where Helicopters, tungsten rods from orbit, and PTSD are brought up.
Stop liking Slutmika immediatelly
>>144259913
What about Sumika spam?
That could liven up the thread..
I want to protect that smile!
>>144259459
>>144259601
I like you, but i disagree, Shogun is best grill.
>>144260026
Jokes on you, I never liked her
>>144260027
>>144259913
>>144259459
>>144255890
i don't understand the appeal of Sumika. She is just an annoying stupid whore and her fan base are cancer. I guess stupid attracts stupid and there is a lot of stupid people around.
>>144259907
Wait, seriously? Not at all?
Damn, that sucks. I thought we were getting that for real.
At least we get MORE lines, right? Even if we have to wait for alternative, because I've seen at least one video with voiced takeru that wasn't in the original.
>>144260055
So do I.
>>144260027
Agreed, let's do it.
>>144260113
Shogun is fine I guess, but I can't stand Meiya.
>>144260145
Unconditional love from an osananajimi. It's the absolute best. Sumika is a deeply flawed character, but that only maker her perfect.
>>144260145
Because she gets actual character development.
She starts like a stupid girl and is forced to grow into woman if she wants to win Takeru.
She is not like that lolswordbitch.
>>144260184
good man!
>>144260055
Anyone got Beatrix's LN covers?
I got to the part where the Muv Luv opening starts. I like really this song, but then I remember that the lyrics are aboutSumika's thoughts of Takeru while she's in the brain jar. The same thoughts that turned him into a causality conductor.
>>144260251
>Agreed, let's do it.
>>144260324
this one?
>>144260149
At the least:
> voiced end of Chapter 7 (you know which one)
> Yokohama shaft descent
> the one video on youtube
> Kashgar arc climax
>>144260365
>>144260406
>>144260406
>>144260371
I thought there was around two. Thanks.
>>144260324
Lise is gross and Axmann gave her what she deserved.
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