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ITT: those who cannot be saved.
I thought it was getting bad when her father raped her but damn son it went to places.
she's gonna carry that weight
All she needed was a head pat.
>>144217883
RIP
>>144217883
Is this manga worse than the one about the Concrete girl incident?
>>144218348
Nothing can top Concrete girl anon. But it's still pretty bad.
![Gt+have+a+conversation+with+some+kids+once+in+a+while+_29a268a37321435470633447ec13463f[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/C9GexWi.jpg "Gt+have+a+conversation+with+some+kids+once+in+a+while+ 29a268a37321435470633447ec13463f[1]")
>>144217883
I don't know what to feel, man. When this happens in 2D I feel sorry for the girl in question but I'm 100% sure that if this happened to a real girl, I'd blame her for her own stupidity and lack of foresight.
>>144218480
I almost forgot this existed
Thanks for reminding me of the worst humanity is capable of.
>>144218480
>Nothing can top Concrete girl anon.
There's a manga about the Concreate girl incident?
>>144217995
No she ain't, she ded
>>144218348
>>144218480
>>144218803
Who is concrete girl?
>>144218480
>>Concrete girl
>Looking it up
>Regret
>>144218874
It's called 17-sai.
>>144218875
>chapter 7
>>144219011
Exactly how fucked up is it?
>>144219094
apparently the girl survives in the manga, so it's slightly less fucked than the real life incident.
But essentially a girl gets kidnapped and gets raped and tortured in different kinds of ways for 40 or so days.
>>144219200
I swear women love abuse.
>>144219200
>>144219208
>But essentially a girl gets kidnapped and gets raped and tortured in different kinds of ways for 40 or so days.
No I know the story since I know about the incident, I was just curious if they showed everything, Is it 30+ chapters of just the captors messing with her or do we get something else throw in there?
>>144219313
lose virginity to broom stick, lose hair due to stress
forgot the rest
>>144219200
I swear Shindol garbage attracts the worst kinds of crossboarding cancer
Fuck off
>>144219313
>Is it 30+ chapters of just the captors messing with her
Yeah, basically
>>144219417
>>144219373
Might give it read latter just see how it is.
>>144218156
SHUT UP
WHY YOU GUYS KEEP DOING THIS?
WE KNOW IT
IT HURTS
>>144218919
Can't you fucking google it?
>>144219470
For what I remember its not that long, and there is a long text in the end where the author just basically say ''2D IS DIFFERENT THAN 3D YOU FUCKING MORONS'' as if the guys who kiddinapped the girl weren't sociopaths
or maybe I read the wrong one
>>144218744
Agreed. 3Ds get no sympathy from me, but corrupting a 2D girl to the point that she has a legitimately bad end is unforgivable.
>>144217883
>ITT: those who cannot be saved.
But didn't you read the last chapter she had a good end and even if you into the alternate interpretation that she died (she probably went to heaven).
>>144219373
>>144219208
>>144218480
>>144218348
You guys talking about this one?, or is there actually another manga about the concrete girl incident.
>http://exhentai.org/g/13943/5bb7a41771/
>>144219760
>chapter 7
read all the way until the end
>>144219815
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=29193
The manga is different from the hentai.
>>144219829
You understand thats sadly just her OD'd fever dream right
How do people sympathize her? Literally she should have not went to the apartment with the guy alone. I honestly believe she deserves it.
>>144220107
dude dont shatter his dream
>>144219978
Why don't they just end him?
>>144219815
>>144219829
Oh my, I didn't even know there was a version other than the one by Uziga Waita. It can't possibly be worse right?
>>144220257
science
>>144219978
Wouldn't even wish the worst shitposters that fate.
>>144220107
>>144220157
I honestly didn't think of that being her dying dream.
>>144219978
I wasn't aware of that guy. Man, I can't even imagine the suffering he went through.
>>144217883
She could have been saved if not literally everyone in that universe was evil.
>>144220154
She didn't really have friends, and she thought he was fun
>>144220982
I'm curious, why wear the trip?
>>144219200
>>breaks up with the guy because he was a disgusting pos(wouldn't shower for days)
>Has sex with him anyway
Proof that women have standards. Yet i still can't muster the effort nor courage to find a gf of my own.
>>144220552
She was having 'flashbacks' of the future while ODing. The daughter she's reminiscing about the past with doesn't exist.
>>144219978
this guy definitely has it worse. 83 days of agony under radiation. god
>>144221187
The problem is that you have standards, which is why you aren't having 6 hour sex sessions with junkies. Once you become a meth dealer, all of these low-quality women are yours to do whatever you want with.
>>144221187
have no standards*
>>144221149
Trying to reach Matsuda-chan's 200k posts goal.
>>144221278
Good fucking luck
>>144219414
It figures. ShindoL and Asanagi are pretty much babby's first hentai artists.
>>144221440
I've been reading doujins since the early 2000s, and I've actually never liked ShindoL's stuff in general. Fatalpulse, Xration and ShindoL were artists I absolutely hated.
I got into Emergence because I thought the MC on the cover was really cute.
That was a mistake, but despite that, I couldn't stop reading. It's not as bad as the Schoolgirl in Concrete one but jesus, it's still depressing.
>emergence
>concrete girl
>radioactive man
I-I didn't want to have a good day anyways.
>>144218156
who?
>tfw I first thought emergence was a Rin Shibuya doujin
>>144221724
How does it feel to taste shit all day long?
>mfw the ending
Daily reminder that her parents are the ones wh fucked her life up.
What kind of dad rapes his daughter? What kind of mom sides with the fucking adult father who was """"""Seduced""""""" by their daughter, beats her up and kicks her out? He's a fucking adult and HER FATHER.
>>144222140
>What kind of dad rapes his daughter? What kind of mom sides with the fucking adult father who was """"""Seduced""""""" by their daughter, beats her up and kicks her out? He's a fucking adult and HER FATHER.
I'm sure if you talk to a social worker they will bring up IRL examples of this happening
>>144222272
My point still stands. They ruined her life. How do you raise a kid til highschool like a normal family, but once she gets a makeover, a father decides, "Yes. Now is the time I will begin raping her" and the mom decides "Hmm. Well, she's my daughter for what, 16 or 17 years. But there's no possible way this could ever be remedied. Best to just drop her and start over."
>>144217883
Source?
>>144222403
It takes place in a universe where everybody is an unredeemable twisted piece of shit. Don't read too much into it.
>>144221961
No point reading depressing stuff when life is depressing enough already.
>>144219200
>namefag starts blogging about his gay ass life
>>144219200
Fuck off Clockwork, no-one likes you on /cgl/, let alone here
>>144222650
>disregarding the two hobos that actually tried to help
![Texhnolyze - 22 [DVD 720x480 x264 AAC].mkv-0007.png](https://i.imgur.com/WhpNtPr.png "Texhnolyze - 22 [DVD 720x480 x264 AAC].mkv-0007")
I wanted her to smile and live a long happy life.
>>144222650
>>144222960
holy shit
>>144219586
Put down that replica katana, anon, Youre ging to slice one of your fat rolls.
>>144222960
>>144222650
/cgl/ cross-boarders, everyone.
It's the fact that you are depressed over her getting a bad end that proves you love her.
>>144218480
Concrete girl will never be topped because that shit was based on a true story,the only thing that comes close is that japanese cannibal guy who ate the french (or was she danish?) girl and wrote a book about it.
>>144222650
>>144222960
what exactly were you trying to accomplish?
>>144223347
>kill and eat lady
>get off scott free and become a famous author for it.
>>144219978
That isn't Radman though
>>144217995
The same could have been said of your mother, that's why she dropped you
>>144222272
This actually reminds me,growing up I had an aunt who was a social worker and she also taught sunday school at my church.
The fucking stories she'd bring up were emergence tier,if I could remember any properly I'd have greentext paragraphs forever
>>144223347
He should've wrote a manga about it, God knows the entirety of /a/ would have been all over that shit.
>>144223430
Meant to reply to this one
>>144222629
>>144223483
>>144223347
wait,what? he didn't got to prison or anything?
The guys who did concrete girl were minors so they got short sentences, how come the cannibal guy didn't get locked up?
>>144219978
They probably at least gave him some painkillers
This shit reminds me of the deadpool movie though
>>144217883
that dude from no longer human.
>>144217883
>>144218348
>>144219978
Unholy trinity of suffering
>>144223643
insanity defense,
he went to a mental institution and then was let go when the decide he was sane enough to leave, some suspect that his parents used their influence to do this.
>>144223643
he was in france at the time,but was a japanese citizen something about the international laws prevented him being put under arrest.
However he returned to live in some place in japan and is still alive iirc.
VICE actually did a documentary on him and got and interview,if I can find it I'll post it
>>144223610
iirc there actually was a manga, but I'm not too sure.
I know for a fact the book exists though
also just found the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BosZxa1bYcE
>>144223753
>he went to a mental institution and then was let go when the decide he was sane enough to leave
that's legitimately retarded
>g-guise I'm not insane
>oh okay mr.cannibal you can go now
>>144223753
I remember that episode of Murcielago.
In memory of all bad ends. Official song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqFftJDXii0
>>144223664
nigga, not even painkiller could save him
>>144223666
And Dazai too, thought.
>>144223664
>They probably at least gave him some painkillers
in the state he was in were not entirely sure if it even helped,
>>144223904
>not available in your country.
:<(
>>144219978
I remember reading about this guy
in the end the only organ left in his body still intact was his heart.
>>144223959
No Longer Human almost seemed like his biography
>>144219978
Does anyone know the story behind him and what happened to him? I could search him up but fuck I am a pussy and just a glance of that picture made me sick I don't think I can stomach anymore.
>>144219978
I would have just put a bullet through my skull as soon as I knew what had happened.
>>144224060
Yeah, i know. But they have differences, well. That's why i mention him.
>>144224087
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaimura_nuclear_accident
http://wonderfulengineering.com/this-is-what-happens-when-human-body-is-exposed-to-radiation-graphic-content/
>>144224038
dammit Kubo
>>144224087
the guy's name was Hisashi Ouchi
basically it was an accident at a nuclear power plant
he was doing some stuff that he had no training for but they made him do anyway which caused a nuclear reaction
and he passed out right on top of it,
he was hit with Massive and I mean MASSIVE amount of radiation, comparable to being near a nuclear detonation
to get an idea, a dose of 8 sieverts of radiation is considered fatal, the guy was hit with 17 sieverts of radiation,
the guy seemed alright afterwards with only some swelling on his arm, but his condition kept getting worse and worse
turns out when they took at his cells they found that all his chromosomes were completely shattered, he had no functional DNA in any of his cells, he never had a chance of recovery.
>>144222403
love makes you stupid
on top of already being stupid
>>144224010
Here's some healing instead.
https://youtu.be/mgDlm2EiwYI?t=6m5s
>>144224364
It's stories like this that strangely provide comfort for me because no matter what happens in your life, you will never be radioactive man.
>>144224302
>Did you enjoy this article?
No. No I didn't.
>>144217883
So the moral of this story is "A single kiss can ruin your life forever"
>>144224364
>>144224087
also to give you an idea of the amount of suffering that guy went through
>>144219978
was taken a month before he actually died,
it actually got worse, I think at one point all the muscle in his abdomen atrophied away and his intestines were pretty much sticking out, and he was alive through that.
>>144224364
>the guy seemed alright afterwards with only some swelling on his arm, but his condition kept getting worse and worse
Well what the fuck did they expect, that he gets fucking superpowers!?
>>144224302
>>144224302
Thanks anons. My day may have been ruined by this thread but at least it made my constant suffering seem like nothing in comparison.
>>144223200
Sweet Jesus those tags.
Just finished reading it.
How common is this? I don't even want a daughter anymore. Why do most women end up being drug addicted whores?
>>144219978
>tfw you will never get super powers
>>144224470
The moral of the story is don't be the protag in a suffer hentai.
>>144223753
>>144223775
>>144223822
iirc they deported him back to japan where native law officials tried to persue the cause, however he was let go from lack of a case.
for france, he was declared insane and the case was closed, and couldnt go giving japan the evidence they needed
>>144224519
Jesus that's just cruel and inhumane beyond belief. Thank god he's in a much much better place now.
>this thread
>endless suffering
Feels bad man. Feels really bad.
>>144224643
adding on
he starred in a porno
>>144224519
I thought I'd seen it all from my years of being a kiddy on /b/, but this is just a whole new level of suffering.
>>144224738
OH YEAH I have no idea how I forgot this one.
My friend actually showed me a bit of it.
Why is Japan's Justice system so fucking bad?
>let murdering cannibal off scott free
>give murdering,rapist teenagers small sentences
>>144224821
If amime taught me anything it's because the jap boys fathers were powerful Japanese business men.
>>144224364
>all his chromosomes were completely shattered, he had no functional DNA in any of his cells, he never had a chance of recovery.
That sounds like some fucked up sci-fi condition Jesus fuck.
>>144224821
>parents are allowed to beat the shit out of their kids
>20 years minimum if you're caught with weed
>>144224920
superhero story gone wrong
>>144224920
>everytime a cell on his body died it could not be replaced
JUST
>>144224821
If only a competent prosecutor would have been on the case.
>>144224985
someone do an edit of the photo and have text saying "dying cell by cell"
>>144224920
well anon, that basically how UV light disinfection work for bacteria and viruses , uv light radiation doesn't kill them it damages their DNA so that they cant replicate, I suspect the guy was basically hit with a human version of that. His cells weren't killed off immediate but without the ability of cellular replication organ after organ that needed maintenance started failing, that probably way his heart was the last organ intact.
>>144219978
what is this? i'm scared to click on the full thing
>>144224470
I'm glad I'm still kissless
>>144224364
Prolonged suffering.. Man this is some SSY Squealer punishment on crack.
>>144217883
what is this?
>>144225116
If you're weak to body horror shit, definitely do not click on it.
>>144224364
I can imagine him going into hospital with his skin falling off saying "DAIJOUBU"
>>144224821
The code of law was written back in a time when children only committed crimes of accident.
>"We were playing by the bridge when one of us fell. I did not mean to do it."
In today's world, children kill with malice and intent to murder, but the code of law is severely lacking in that aspect.
Also, the Japanese judicial system requires a confession to take place in order to convict. If you keep silent, you will never be convicted. However, children are clever and say things like:
>"I'm sorry. I killed him, but did not mean to."
So, in essence, the confession belongs to a lesser crime, therefore a lesser punishment is pushed forward.
It is a system left over from Imperial Japan days.
>>144225226
i'm not gonna click on it then.
>>144225224
Nothing worth reading if you value your soul.
>>144224821
Why couldn't they just hang the perpetrators.
>>144225309
idc, i just wanna know what this is pls ;;
>>144225116
It is a man stuck on a bed slowly dying. His body has completely rotten away even though he is still alive. His skin is gone and his hands and feet have all but completely melted away.
It is caused by intense radiation poisoning on the order of 1,000,000 rads.
A normally lethal dose is less than 1,000.
>>144225337
I don't think capital punishment is allowed and if you're a minor then the sentence is very short.
Reminder kids : Be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it.
>>144218348
>>144219978
We have found the fitting punishment for the Junko Furuta murderers.
>>144219978
>there are "people" who fapped to this picture or are in the process of fapping to it right now
>>144224920
the damage was so bad that when his sister donated blood for him they found out that her blood cells would get damaged as well due to the large amount of free radicals inside him.
I genuinely find Uziga Waitas "Schoolgirl in concrete" manga completely reprehensible. It's one thing to have dark fantasies, but to take one of the most brutal murders in Japanese history, one that lacks any real sense of justice and eroticise it is just disgusting.
This manga has no right to exist.
>>144225382
Well for case like that it should be, that or going to the chair.
>>144225272
I always thought Japan was a nice 1st world country, and it is, but if you dig beneath the exterior image, it's actually backwards as fuck.
>>144225367
ouchy :((
>>144225353
Emergence. You don't know what you signed yourself up for kid.
>>144225460
Congratulations, you've been red-pilled on asian culture.
>>144225467
Hisashi OUCHI?
Fuck hanging myself.
>>144225477
ok, thank you friend. i'll read it now and give a review very quickly!
>>144219978
we all radman soon
>>144225450
Same here, I tried to read it but when that notice by the author saying 'I drew this to draw attention to this case' showed up, I just couldn't believe it.
What kind of massive jackass draws attention to a real life kidnapping and murder by drawing porn about it?
>>144225450
is this the story about the girl being raped and tortured by 3 japanese boys?
>>144225541
TOP FUCKING KEK
>>144225565
RIP sanity and happiness of anon.
>>144225467
His DNA shattered.
Yeah but she does get saved. She gets pregnant and then vows to give up drugs. If you're looking for someone who can't be saved, its pic related. There is nothing anyone could say to him to stop him.
>>144225460
Japan is technologically forward, but blind submission to the government prevents judicial development.
When there are no complaints, there is no problem. Japan's system is only recently undergoing an overhaul. A very small overhaul.
>>144225657
what about him
>>144225437
>sister tried to help him
Fuck this is heartbreaking.
>>144224821
Its a country where 99.9% of the convicts end up guilty. What did you expect? The prosecutors have way too much power
>>144225565
oh darn, it's a hentai? i'm not the kind of person to read this kind of stuff but OK
>>144225567
>tfw the only things my government gave me is a tiny package of potassium iodide tablets
>>144225427
>friends tried their hardest so she wouldn't have to pilot
>becomes one anyway
>suffering ensues
Fafner will never give us happy endings
>>144217883
Time -fucking- travel. Do it, Shindol, pretty please.
>>144225738
You would think that such a high conviction rate would have caught the real easy criminals.
>>144225567
context of that pic?
>>144225773
It is worse than hentai.
>>144225884
It is saying that the Earth is 3 minutes from being destroyed if something goes wrong.
>>144225460
Japan is still one of those places where the majority of its people don't make huge outcries in public or over the internet due to a mix of "shikata ga nai" and "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down".
You'll see small protests here and there over some issues, but you'll rarely see an issue that directly effects the entire nation and gains traction or enough backing it needs to be changed like in the US and how we change laws every year due to controversy.
>>144225884
If it becomes midnight on the graph it means we're all fucked.
>>144225884
>context of that pic?
http://thebulletin.org/
>>144218156
...fuck you, anon.
>>144218348
>>144218480
I intend to show my daughters that as an example of how fighting a predator to the bitter end and being killed is better than submitting. Remember anons, NEVER give into a psychopaths demands. If someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to get in a car, always fight back. Either they weren't serious enough to kill you, and you escape, or they were and they kill you, but you escape torture beyond your wildest dreams.
>>144225579
I don't know why the Wikipedia page only covered the 3 boys as suspect and non-intervention from Kamisaku's parents A but IIRC, what made it even more heinous was the fact that possibly more than 40 people were in on it, going to their house to rape her in exchange with them being silent about it.
>>144225773
ok friends, i am back and i don't know what i just read but it wasn't as bad as you guys said it was. i was expecting something more but i was just very disappointed, maybe i didn't get the story since i just sped read it. this is not the worst thing i have read
pic related
>>144226066
How the fuck is that shit calculated?
Is there any actual legitimate basis to it?
>came here for le tragic anime characters e.g. guts
>end up throwing up in disgust and left with a fear of a nuclear disaster and an even more bitter outlook on humanity
h-haha thanks guys
>>144225577
>>144225450
To be honest, I don't think his intention was to eroticise the story all that much. I agree that Waita is most certainly one messed up individual but the story felt suprisingly realistic compared to his other works that dwelve into absurd guro territories.
>>144226156
>the fact that possibly more than 40 people were in on it, going to their house to rape her in exchange with them being silent about it.
I don't understand, even if I were a scummy waste of space I wouldn't want to rape some girl who's been through a ton of torture.
>>144226213
Global destabilisation, isolation and attitudes between nuclear powers, chances of terrorists obtaining nuclear weapons etc
>>144225773
I'd read a live blog of a normalfag reading through all of Emergence in one sitting.
Of course, that kinda takes away the element of waiting, speculation and realization between the penultimate and final chapters that helped make the reaction so good.
>>144226234
You underestimate how fucked up people can be.
>>144226213
It takes 3 minutes for a nuclear warhead to be prepared and launched under current conditions. That is it. When a nation is on high alert, the clock is moved forward. If something were to happen, we have no more than 15 minutes to prepare.
It takes 3 minutes to launch a nuke, but a total of 15 minutes to reach its target.
>>144226234
Well the problem is if you're not a piece of shit, it's really impossible to put yourself in their shoes. Just the complete lack of morality and common sense.
>>144226223
It's pretty fucked, but these are literally 1-in-a-million chance things that escalated due to a perfect storm of certain factors.
Besides, being at point blank in a nuclear disaster would instantly vaporise you anyway so it's not like you'll be suffering as much as radman.
There's absolutely no hope in any of Oysters stuff.
>>144225806
Man, that's not even half of it.
Throughout the show these were her biggest wishes.
"Get to know her father better"
"Pilot a giant robot"
"Protect her loved ones"
"Have Kazuki love her"
The first three all come true in the most "Hahahahahahahahaha you got what you wanted" and the last one is literally the source of all her decisions and how they've fucked her life up.
>>144226471
Take's stuff too
>>144226471
That's why it's not as good as Emergence. ShindoL putting a light at the end of the tunnel then just blocking it off at the end is what makes it hurt.
>>144226234
At some point the main culprits started to wish death on her because of how much of a trainwreck she had become, they were disgusted by the mere sight of her body. It's exactly like how a child grows tired of a broken toy.
>>144226544
Seriously though, Emergence was so good to the point that before the series, his Patreon was at 2k, it's currently $200 shy of 5k because of that series.
>>144226198
nevermind you guys, i read it again slowly and i was wrong
>>144226471
Personally I'm a fan of Oysters more horror oriented manga. The story about the girl who's stuck in a cycle of being raped by her father and murdered always creeped the hell out of me. Plus it's really cool the way most of his stories link together in some manner.
>>144226591
>>144226156
You know, I think about people who say some characters in fiction are "pointlessly cruel" or "too evil" so they say they can't take it seriously, then I read shit like this and I think fiction hasn't even touched the tip of the iceberg of what cruelty humanity is capable of.
>>144226980
>Pregnant teenage Wendy's worker gets pulled out of the drive-thru window and beaten up by three attackers who accused her of forgetting their straws
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3663222/Pregnant-teenage-Wendy-s-worker-gets-pulled-drive-window-beaten-three-attackers-accused-forgetting-straws.html
I think some people would do the same and worse for 1m yen off a bum.
>>144227113
Humans are inherently evil, otherwise, it wouldn't be too hard doing what's right.
>>144227288
I would argue that humans are born not inherently evil. Instead, the surroundings and society, the people as well create and shape people who in turn shape it.
>>144227288
More like humans are naturally righteous, but get twisted by passing through society. People get their minds obfuscated by all sorts of pointless shit, leading to unfortunate situations because they constantly desire to have things their specific way.
>>144226471
I wish I hadn't been so curious after reading this post,I want to resign my status as human now
>>144227567
I hope you read the epilogue chapter! Because that girls suffering doesn't end.
Nice render (?) of OP >>144217883 here:
>>>/wsr/156482
>>144227625
I'm slowly making my way through,this shit gets really over the top to the point where I can't sympathize anymore,it just seems dumb.
However I'm still extremely pissed off at all this, even if it's just senseless torture at this point I can't even process any of it since it's just repeating the same things.
Wasn't there a chick who got raped by her father and trapped in the basement and had his kids for like 15 years
>>144224591
Whatever you do, don't let your daughter join an adventuring guild that exterminates orcs.
>>144228575
Real life or hentai?
>>144225577
When you're a hentai artist, everything looks like a hentai.
>>144228719
Real life
>>144228719
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case
>>144227424
>>144227461
Are you kidding? You don't have to teach a kid to lie, or steal, or fight. It comes natural. We are naturally terrible sinful little shits.
You have to teach a kid respect, obedience, and discipline.
Anyone who says people are naturally good have their heads up their ass.
>>144228575
yes and plenty like it
should find it if you search up basement dad
>>144228830
morality is subjective
no such thing as evil or good
>>144227625
I finished it...that ending,just that entire fucking retarded ending.
I'm honestly not even mad anymore,I don't know what to feel,I guess I'm just apathetic at this point.
>Girl's entire family gets raped
>MC's childhood friend fucked his dad
>mom just broke down completely
>The sister took this as an alternative to going to the police
>the only one who got away from this relatively safe was the kid that showed up for like 2 pages
Two nukes wasn't enough
>>144228914
Biggest crock of horse shit.
You're honestly telling me that there's nothing bad, evil, or wrong with raping newborn babies until they die?
>>144228804
de we know how the kids are yet?
better yet how she herself is?
>tfw this only got out because he cared enough to take her to the hosptal himself
ITT: People are fucked up and so is this world.
>>144228804
Yeah but where's the hentai version?
>>144228981
That reminds me I"ve never read "BABYFUCKBABYFUCKBABYFUCK AWWWWWWWWWWW RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT"
I feel like I need to do that at least once to get a piece of internet history.
>>144228830
>Are you kidding? You don't have to teach a kid to lie, or steal, or fight. It comes natural.
Because kids don't tend to reflect on what they do or empathise very well. Obviously a child needs to be taught these things to instill it early but that doesn't mean a child without these things is going to turn out to be an irredeemable scumbag.
My parents didn't really teach me shit but I didn't turn into a sociopath.
>>144228981
i said theres no definite such thing
not that no one has it
of course i have my own morals
>>144228804
>some dude rented a room in the house for 12 years and never knew about the dungeon
This is really strange.
>>144228981
with human concepts attached to the act, yes you could qualify it as an evil act.
But without human concepts it's just another organism killing another organism, business as usual in the animal world.
>>144228981
well it takes 9 months to make 1 baby
so if you are rich enough to hire women to carry babies for you theres nothing really wrong with fucking some babies to death
not like it affects anyone negatively.
>>144219200
wew
>>144218156
Saucy on this pica?
>>144219978
This is some Johnny Got His Gun shit. It's like his situation was designed specifically to maximize suffering and make him as miserable as the universe could allow.
Well shit.
I really shouldn't have read this thread.
>>144229077
I tried, but I had to quit it before I got to that scene. Shit's profoundly fucked up, and that was back when I was into guro.
>>144229092
Of course there is always going to be outliers. Even if you raise a kid perfect, they might just snap one day and kill their whole family. Like I said, this world is fucked up and there's evil everywhere.
My point was that kids will naturally lie, cheat, and disobey. I believe most positive redeeming qualities in people are things that need to be cultivated.
Obviously there will be kids who are naturally kind, and there will be kids who grow up evil and hatefilled, no matter what.
But it's easier for people to do the wrong thing than it is to do the right thing
>>144229289
mai-chan was actually my first guro
i remember sending it to my friends and enjoying them flipping out
>>144229115
So if my morals are that it's ok to kill you after raping your wife, nobody can really say I did anything wrong, there's no objective based reasoning for what is right or wrong.
>>144228575
Yeah, Rammstein even wrote a song about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0vFVf7kCG0
Really makes you wonder how often this kind of stuff happens that never get revealed or discovered, it probably happens all the time in third world shitholes where pretty much anything goes.
>>144229398
Its not wrong, its just that societies that accept that are likely to die out while societies that punish such actions are likely to flourish.
>>144229398
>there's no objective based reasoning for what is right or wrong.
not him but the whole 'morals don't exist argument' is because there's no absolute definition, because morals are abstract and not tangible.
There will always be inconsistencies when describing something like the taste of an orange but you can cut through that by actually eating an orange. You can't do the same thing with morals.
>tfw after reading this thread
>>144229189
Well are we humans or just animals?
If were just a product of time and chance and chaos, then we surely will fall into a world run by chaos.
>>144229380
>first time reading it
>find the art hot and the guro bits disturbing, jerk off to the not so fucked parts
>fast forward 8 years, most of it is too tame to incite any form of arousal, find parts of it to be funny
stared too long and too deep into that abyss i did
>>144219978
THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING
>>144229202
Cool
why am i still here?
he will always be a guy no matter how much he tries.
>>144229615
He's perfect the way he is.
>>144229535
Do you jerk off to vanilla now? My tastes went off the deep end for a while but I find my hentai taste rebounded from taboo to vanilla.
>>144229398
what a natrow scope anon
morals change depending on culture, time period, location, ect.
i wouldnt call someone evil just because theyre pro-something or against-something. theyre just a person
a person who knowingly does what they think/"know" is wrong is just fucking asshole
>>144229380
Are they still your friends after that?
>>144229524
> No tangible definition of morals
> 2016, not reading the Bible
This is a Christian image board and you are all heathens.
>>144229753
The Bible is a collection of myths and occasionally useful moral lessons, but real morality is utilitarian, and can be developed using modern game theory.
>>144229600just to suffer?
Every night, I can feel my leg...
and my arm...
even my fingers.
The body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting...
It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you?
I'm gonna make them give back our past.
>>144229800
Tell me more Dr. Dawkins
This is exactly what you think it is.After spending the entire doujin putting up with inhumane treatment and rapings in order to protect her unborn child. The moment it's born it gets stomped on. Furthermore it was horribly deformed due to all the drugs her captors pumped into her.
>>144229600
This thread fucked up my entire day yet I'm still here. Sometimes I wonder if I'm sadistic, masochistic, or just plain fucked in the head.
>>144229698
*narrow
>>144229742
of course
ive also made more tender-hearted friends, who, although i dont show outright explicit things to them, know and accept that i do on my own time
>>144229862
herd animals have different type of "morals" from individualistic animals.
If theres an intelligent race of beings that didnt evolve in a horse/human/wolf like herds they will have wildly different concept of whats right and wrong.
>>144228804
Just think, some anons in this thread right now, unironically think this guy did nothing wrong.
>>144226066
>we live in the world where nuclear fallout could happen any seconds
BLOWOUT SOON, FELLOW STALKER
It must be depressing as shit to work in the judicial system
>>144229862
I'm not saying the universe wasn't created in 6 days 6000 years ago, but basing your morality on what an ISIS-like group said during the bronze age is pretty stupid.
>>144228804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k3n5me4Rns
But the harder question to ask is:
Would you save her?
>>144230020
I really wanna meet a japanese social worker now, or a 911 operator or someone who deals with cases like this to get their perspective on it.
Now that I think about it aren;t japan's suicide rates kinda high?
>>144226066
>tfw I find the thought of our planet being obliterated in a single moment calming and relieving
>>144230047
It's one of my fantasies that help me sleep at night.
>>144229821
>>144229902
God is dead and humanity killed him
Have some smug to cheer up a little
>>144229967
Hmm. Yes. Tell me more about this macro evolution.
>>144230061
>Now that I think about it aren;t japan's suicide rates kinda high?
iirc it's been the highest for some time but I believe SK recently beat that record
>>144230020
try working in insurance
you know how theres jokes about lawyers going to hell?
its not a joke so much as it is a definite thing because if there is an afterlife and i got into heaven somehow i'd think that there was a mistake somewhere
>>144222083
She'll arrive in 7 years. Don't worry about it
>>144230061
Suicide rate is comparable everywhere in the world. Some places are more thorough about documenting it than others, but, like, it's not more common in the winter, or during a recession or war or etc. It's just this steady, more or less constant thing across time and culture.
>>144230035
But basing your relative, subjective moral reasoning on the same dogma that Hitler and Stalin did is?
>>144229682
occasionally if the art or concept is hot enough
sometimes its the happy things that get me going.
>>144229524
Actually, morals are very cut and dry.
There is a reason why justice and morality is represented by the scale.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Do unto others that which you would like done unto yourself.
Love thy neighbor.
If you take, you must return something of equal value.
Pay money when you buy something.
Replace that which you break.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth; a life for a life, etc.
Morality is black and white. It is the most objective principle in the universe. It is uncaring and harsh.
The only thing subjective about morality is the situation that it is applied.
Justice does not care what you pay in return as long as it is of equal value. You destroy a car, return the car's value in money, labor, or jail-time. The value of the car is always different, and the value of money is always changing, and the situation surrounding the exchange is never the same. That still does not change the fact that the rule applies universally.
Remember, even something as omnipresent as gravity and magnetism can appear to change if you have a different context of perspective. Time is relative, but it always follows the same exact rule set.
This is basic economics.
>>144230047
Well in 2D form definitely,the rules of reality don't work there
However assuming you mean if I met the same type of person in real life, I'm honestly apathetic to these kind of things and at most will pass a comment of "wow,that's too bad"
But I'd never have the effort,kindness or heart to actually help someone like this.
The closest thing to it I've done is listen to a homeless guy's problems when I was staying in Atlanta for a few days.
The guy was dying of cancer and trying to get money for treatments, but I guess he got into debt.sorry for the blog
>>144230070
same here buddy,humanity was a mistake of nature,but on the other hand if god is real and created us I have a lot of questions for him when I die.
>>144229922
>>144229869
Fuck. Don't remind me about this doujin, anon
>>144229902
I feel you man,browsing 4chan's slowly made me more wary of people and way more jaded than I ever needed to be.
>>144230104
The greatest human projects in history had about 100k people working on them, thats only possible in a hierarchical tribalistic society. The alphas lead the betas to beat the other tribe at competition.
You wouldn't have aliens with advanced tech without similar scheme.
>>144230103
Nietzsche was a brilliant madman. His prophecies about the 20th century being the bloodiest in history and universal madness breaking out were spot on. He himself spent the last several years of his life mumbling to himself Bible verses and arguing with himself out loud before clenching his fist towards the heavens before he died.
>>144230175
*Isnt
>>144229902
It means you think differently than the 80% of sheep in the world.
You choose being an outcast instead of being included. It is a sign of independent thought.
Well I'd love to sit here and have more discussions on life, morality, origin of man, religion, and philosophy but it's Friday family night and I gotta start cooking.
Bye you terribly twisted anons. Love you faggots.
>>144223200
>>144224553
Wow, is there anything edgier than this?
>>144224591
>Why do most women end up being drug addicted whores?
You just live in a shithole or something
>>144230208
even this is an unnecessary conceptual attachment to simple actions.
A man killing another man is simply just that. A man killing another man. That is truth,that is knowledge, morality begins when that is processed through humans and can therefore only ever be an abstract human invention.
It is not some universal principle, like gravity. Denying gravity doesn't suddenly make you float because it is not abstract.
>>144230175
That being said, the greatest butchers in world history have all been atheist without exception.
If we include the Black Plague and Hitler as part of the historic Christian death-toll counting from the Crusades in the year 1000 to the year 2000, we get 100 million dead total.
The Communists alone killed 120 million people in the 60 years from 1940 to 2000.
>tfw you've developed a fear of eventually becoming someone as fucked up as the people mentioned in this thread
>>144230464
Probably Euphoria.
>>144230590
My biggest fear now is becoming like radioactive man. I'm just an heroing straight away if it happens.
>>144230560
nice argument.
>>144230462
>tfw Ototo made pizza
>>144230175
Hitler and Stalin didn't even have the same dogma.
>>144230464
Real life.
http://nypost.com/2016/07/15/horrifying-details-of-the-bataclan-theatre-massacre-revealed/
>>144230590
>>144230655
fear is the mindkiller anons, no point worrying over shit that is literally never going to happen.
>>144230590
I wonder what kind of person ShindoL is IRL.
>>144230734
usually the chillest people write the worst things
>>144226198
The point is people weren't expecting so much suffer, you probably expected even worse things to happen so it didn't make you feel that bad while most us just wanted something to fap and got a dose of sadness.
>>144230546
Your entire statement there is an unnecessary conceptual attachment to simple actions.
If a man killing another man is simply just that, then I ask you where humanity is separated from the physical universe?
We are created from the physical universe and all laws apply. Out minds come from the universe, therefore our minds must follow the same rule set that the universe is built upon.
Humans require universal principles to process all form of invention; abstract or otherwise.
Denying gravity doesn't suddenly make you float because it is not abstract in the same way that humans don't suddenly become separate from the universe because you say so.
Also, gravity suddenly DOES make you float. You know why? Relativity. When you are in orbit, you are constantly pulled by gravity. However, your perspective makes it appear as if you are NOT. Gravity does not exist from the perspective of an orbiting individual.
That being said, you cannot deny morality simply because YOU cannot see it. Well, you can, but you need to prove it is false by proving that morality is separate from the principles that hold our universe together.
>>144230734
ShindoL is a milf IRL, not even joking. There was a picture of her in one of the recent sadpanda threads
>>144230660
It isn't an argument. It is a statement of fact.
An argument would be to say that atheism is no less an inferior idea than any pre-established religion. Genocide is the main accusation leveled against all religions as proof of their flaws. Atheism should be held to the same metric to guarantee logical and equivalent comparison.
>>144230801
Isn't ShindoL just some white guy that moved to Japan to make fucked up anime?
>>144230590
I don't. Horrible people are my role models of who not to be, watching Now and Then, Here and There, reading about Junko Furuta and Emergence pretty much made me realize that the people are fucked up by default, and that I should fight no matter what against becoming one.
Can't do much about Radioactive Man though, that's horrifying.
>>144230590
>>144230655
Something something the abyss and ShindoL looking at you from it's bottom with a welcoming smile. Just have a healthy attitude towards other living beings (read: Stop frequenting /v/ or any other places of it's kin) and you will never be beyond saving.Also let's be real, you wouldn't have the balls to be like that
>>144230801
Women usually write the most fucked up doujins.
>>144230920
Nah, pretty sure she was confirmed to be female.
>>144230923
Don't push tungsten against radioactive materials and you should be fine.
>>144230905
Hitler was christian and Stalin like Mao like Kim Jong Un had very religious followers and elevated themselves to a godlike status in their followers perspective.
Here's some vanilla for you guys that need some healing right now
please excuse the links I got em from other threads
https://hitomi.la/galleries/450139.html
https://nhentai.net/g/129128/
https://nhentai.net/g/161542/
https://nhentai.net/g/123258/
https://nhentai.net/g/166315/
warning extremely vanilla
https://nhentai.net/g/158817/
https://nhentai.net/g/137116/
https://nhentai.net/g/89734/
Not on the scale of some of the series posted earlier but my first mind bender was probably
Anikan (Brosaw) by Minato Fumi
Tame compared to oyster and ShindoL the girl is reasonably alive...
>>144230963
>mfw Hana Hook's work
Ugh. What is wrong with you, lady?!
>>144230923
>Can't do much about Radioactive Man though, that's horrifying.
He could saved himself the suffering and just killed himself. If I ever had a shit ton of radiation put through me, I'd immediately look for a suicide method because I know the side effects are going to be hellish.
>>144230801
fuck do you know how recent? Is it in the archive?
>>144230963
That image you're talking about was an april fools joke.
ShindoL is a guy, he's Japanese but grew up in new york and because of that he has a pretty strong american accent.
This meme of "fucked up rape manga drawn by girls" needs to fucking end. Most of the time it isn't true.
>>144231056
im so triggered
how dare you
>>144222140
>>144222403
That specifically is what did things in for her. Everything else (the escorting, hooking up with that guy, getting blackmailed, etc.) could've been avoided, but she still would've been raped by her father and then kicked out of her home, and then what?
>>144217883
>ITT: those who cannot be saved.
>>144231133
I told you it was too vanilla
however souls as tainted as the anons here may not be able to take it
>>144231052
I counted Hitler among the Christians.
Stalin was an atheist, Mao was an atheist, and Kim Jong Un has not killed anyone yet. All THREE of them are part of governmental structures that REQUIRED that ALL party members be atheist.
Also, What YOU are trying to say is that they are not true atheists because they ended up using tons of governmental censorship and propaganda to make themselves look good and entire populations are forced to but into it or suffer death in a governmental system that outlaws religion.
>>144231097
>That image you're talking about was an april fools joke.
So, I've been fooled all this time?
JUST FUCK MY LIFE UP
>>144218919
Ooooh boy, you're in for a rideUziga Waita
>>144228981
>You're honestly telling me that there's nothing bad, evil, or wrong with raping newborn babies until they die?
There is nothing inherently bad about it as long as you accept the consequences of those actions.
>>144231166
It's not fair. She never had a dog in this race. No real friends or family to stick by her and even try helping her out when things went south.
>>144231089
Kinda hard to fight against it when you can't even move without falling apart, and everyone else wants to keep you alive for science. Literally.
>>144231056
Thank you you kind soul
>>144224440
You don't know that. You might end up becoming the next radioactive man.
>>144231240
Yes, you've been fooled.
Also, fuck you for spreading that information around like it was fact. There's already enough retards mindlessly believing that artists like ShindoL and Asanagi are female because the novelty of women drawing works that they do is amusing.
But too bad, they're not women.
>>144231215
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_of_Native_Americans
>>144228804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEpOBX427ZI
Anon had a good time that year.
>>144231215
Im saying they were dictators that pushed the image that they were holy in a sense, they were the religion.
>>144230208
>Morality is black and white. It is the most objective principle in the universe. It is uncaring and harsh.
That is wrong. Morality is the exclusive domain of humans. We, as individuals and a collective decide how morality is applied. We mostly stick to the Golden Rule and variations of it because it works. But it is an entirely human creation and it can be bent.
>>144230923
I don't know man. I used to think the same but recently I've reached a low point in my life and I can feel my mental state slowly deteriorating. The human mind can slowly spiral down the wrong path or snap in a single moment and that's a scary thought for me. I often catch myself doing or thinking fucked up things but then again all humans do at one point or another I suppose. I guess I'm just a negative and weak human being in general.
>>144231373
Are you implying that genocide caused by Christians justifies Genocide caused by atheists or something?
Genocide is wrong no matter who does it. You need to rethink your life.
>>144231387
>tfw scripting up twitter accounts to make #basementdad top trending
good times
wonder if those other code monkeys are still hanging around here
>>144231420
So, people made a religion to worship the actions and moral principles of an atheist?
Hmmm...
It is almost as if the line between religion and atheism is very fine, if not non-existent.
>>144231056
The chemo feels good. This is what you need in life. Balance. A balance of bad and good porn.
Too much good, things get a little stale, too soft and mushy. Too much bad can make you cynical and morose.
If it's too good, you might not even want to fap to it. Same as if it were too bad.
>>144230792
Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.1 Samuel 15:2-3
Bible say that genocide is good.
Main sin of nazi is genocide.
Therefore nazi is good.
cant find it on panda, why?
>>144231456
>The human mind can slowly spiral down the wrong path or snap in a single moment
Learn to regularly take a step back and recess what you're doing, why you're doing it and how you're doing it and you won't have this issue.
All human excess is caused by our tendency to tunnel vision down stupid paths.
>>144231215
Atheists body count comes simply because now there is more people. With the population explotion that followed the industrial revolution massacres have higher numbers. Taking as a percentage of population the 20th century is more peaceful than previous times (before the civilizational point of an empire imposing a peace through hegemony, it is common for some 20 percent of adults males to die from warfare, figures like this were only reached during the worst parts of the 20th century, the world wars).
Even if you take the absolute numbers, this is just a historical coincidence; atheism coming after the industrial revolution.
>>144231575
>Bible say that genocide is good.
not really trying to defend it but in this situation it's just seen as necessary(at least to those carrying out the act).
Also iirc King Saul then decided to keep some of the livestock anyways so it's not like he was completely obedient.
anyone here ever read "a boy called 'it'"?
that was the shit for us back in elementary
>>144231300
>never had a dog in this race
a harsh reality for many
>>144231456
Thought doesn't have nearly the power you mightthinkit does. All you really have to do is keep your feet on the ground, in the present action.
>>144230792
Morality isn't a law of physics. It is a human principle and it is enforced exclusively by humans.
Killing, stealing, beating, breaking... All of it takes away time and effort invested by others. When you take away a humans time and effort, he will want to stop it happening again.
It is human from start to finish. The laws of physics do not care about this.
>>144231529
No, the state head dictated it, they told the populace what to believe. Those societies didnt have free speech or press.
Atheism is just a result of lack of need to explain the unexplained with god.
>this thread
I'm genuinely sad now, this day started off so good too but now its just terrible
It's when my porn starts making me get all philosophical and existential that I just need to take a break and do something else.
>>144231438
>Morality is the exclusive domain of humans
So, what you are saying is that humans are inherently separate from the universe, and thus special.
I propose that humans are not special, as our brains function according to computing principles decided by the laws of physics.
Logic MUST have a basis that cannot be refuted or made inconsistent by personal opinion, otherwise it is logic.
Logic requires there to be balance and consistency. Economics follows this principle of consistency. Scales used to compare weight in science and economics follows this principle. The golden rule follows this principle.
The laws of thermodynamics follows this principle.
The golden rule is the only moral rule that has NO exception.
If you kill others, others can kill you.
If you steal from others, other can steal from you.
If you hurt others, others can hurt you.
THIS is the golden rule. THIS is balance. THIS is the uncaring and harsh moral code.
Only when morality tries to establish an uneven field of "I am allowed, but no one else is." does morality suddenly become subjective. Why? Because YOU as the subject assign the moral code.
HOWEVER, the golden rule applies regardless of subject. It is ultimate freedom to choose what action you take, because you have NO RIGHT to deny others the choice to choose what you choose.
If you want to be a hypocrite, you best get used to the idea that the rest of the world is allowed to be hypocrites also.
>>144231575
Genocide is good? Explain further. You made a logical leap there. I would tear your argument apart, but I'll give you a chance.
>>144231821
Do what you want. It is the only solution.
>>144231940
His point is that Bible's logic is bullshit, not that genocide is actually good.
>>144231852
>So, what you are saying is that humans are inherently separate from the universe, and thus special.
We are special at least on Earth. The way we express and interact with reality is inherently different from animals.
The golden rule is a purely Human idea.
If someone kills someone, the dead person does not care. His life has no value once it is taken from him. He is completely out of the game and no law of physics will do anything about it.
What has value is the attachments others had to the victim. The strength of those attachments is what will drive them to seek some form of revenge.
But the revenge they get, justified though it may be from their point of view, has now taken the attachments of those who cared about the killers. So they are now just as valid in seeking revenge. And because humans are rarely able to actually stick to the golden rule when their personal attachments were damaged, this spirals out of control very, very fast.
It's why only cultures where the population as a whole give up their direct, personal "right to seek revenge for broken attachments" into a relatively uncaring central power can advance. We are too destructive otherwise.
And again, all of this, from start to finish, exists only in the minds and actions of humans.
We as individuals and groups make the rules for this. No higher power, no law of physics, NOTHING decides this but us.
>>144217883
I'm surprised no one has posted a mirror yet
>>144231852
>If someone does something to someone else, you can do it to them
But this is wrong. At this time, in practice, we cannot be intimately aware of the standards/feelings/history of the majority that we encounter.
For your logic to be valid, it would also have to include "good" deeds.
We wouldn't be able to offer any charity/kindness without absolute proof that the recipient had already done the same for another.
That homeless guy sitting outside McDonalds when you have money to spare? Fuck him, he never bought food for a homeless person, feeding him is immoral.
That's your logic in practice. The difference between triggering pain and pleasure experiences is an arbitrarily developed chain of chemical reactions.
Black and white thinking is broad to a fault.
This is why morals are abstract.
The only thing you have a chance at objectively claiming to be true is that you exist. The rest is just your invention, and less accurate the more you build upon it.
So you have individual feelings based upon your personal, subjective experiences, and you form motivations from them. Your idea of society's morals are guaranteed to merely be a flawed interpretation of an abstract fiction clumsily passed down in pieces by billions of barely uncoordinated individuals. They are not absolute, and would not be, even if any individual human could physically become aware of an accurate, whole interpretation of human kind's moral values.
>>144232056
>We are special at least on Earth. The way we express and interact with reality is inherently different from animals.
So what you are saying is that you base your entire definition of special based on the idea that one planet among countless thousands of trillions is a proper sample size? I disagree.
>The golden rule is a purely Human idea.
You say that, but here I went explaining how it cannot be due to the fact that we are not separate from the laws of the universe. We cannot be.
You are repeating our base argument without addressing the fact that the human mind is driven by electrical circuits that form consistent logic pathways. Sure, it is made of meat, but it must remain logically consistent otherwise it breaks and deviates from reality.
Now, let's say you are right. The human mind is, in fact, absolutely separate from the functions of the universe. The universe and the human mind are absolutely separate, and therefore morality does not apply to reality.
You're right. This is the universe truth. The human concept of mind and morality does not exist.
But you are human, and everything you wrote just now came from YOUR mind. THEREFORE, all of your thoughts just written out do not apply in any way to the universe. THEREFORE, your entire statement that morality does not in fact exist... is wrong.
Your point of view is not internally consistent, and it contradicts itself.
So, if you are correct in the assumption that nothing you say is correct, then that means you telling me that I am wrong means I am right...
We have a double negative situation here.
You are saying that YOUR definition is more important than anyone else's. However, what I am saying is that we all have the same definition.
In order to respect logical reasoning and the balance of the universe, we must respect a balanced moral code that does not discriminate because the universe and logic does not discriminate.
>>144232411
*barely coordinated
I should get some sleep, but after going through a thread based around both real and fictional victims of nightmare fuel I'm going to wait a while.
/blog
but yeah no golden rules, just guidelines
I do not mean to lessen your motivation to try to be a decent person, but please understand that your perceptions are always going to be biased in some way.
>>144229869
>>144229922
Well jesus fuckin christ
This is one of those very few doujinshis that make me feel kinda physically ill
>>144231940
Bible is fundament of western morality and God say kill all infidels.
>>144230208
>Morality is black and white.
Genocide become ultimate evil act after WW2. If we accept that "morality is black and white" then genocide is good, because humans before us said so.
Evil jew lie about true goodness of genocide.
lol.
I want Guts to find happiness
he deserves it
>>144229922
Why do shit like this exist? Fuck Japan.
>>144229869
>>144229922
Reminds me of Mai-chan and thebaby smoothie
>>144232411
>If someone does something to someone else, you can do it to them
Wrong. Your entire argument is invalid because you can't read.
If someone does something to YOU, you can do it back.
Logic does not care what good and bad is defined as. There is no such thing as good money and bad money. Only money.
The homeless guy on the street? You don't need to give him money. However, you certainly as hell should NOT fuck him. fucking implies you are taking from him. If he is a prostitute, you best pay up.
Charity and kindness is a personal choice. You are free to make that choice and are NOT morally obligated to do so. Otherwise, it is neither charity or kindness.
HOWEVER, let's say that the survival of the species is in your best interest. You NEED that homeless guy for some reason. Why not offer him work instead of giving him a hand-out? Why not help him if you feel that it is in your best interest?
You get high off of your brain chemicals if you help him, and feel good for it?
Is that worth the money in your pocket?
Yes?
Then equivalent exchange is respected.
The golden rule is objective. You ALWAYS get something out of every action you take. Even if you are not aware of it, you are.
Acts of self-sacrifice are included. You feel something is worth your life? Sure. Your choice to step up and make that payment.
You call my interpretation flawed, but it is consistent even when applied to the scenarios you posted.
>>144232670
Care to explain?
>>144232467
>double negative
by your own reasoning you shouldn't even be capable of knowing how many negatives are actually involved
so you pretty much admitted that you nor anyone else has a goddamn clue what they're talking about
the only way to stop discriminating is to die, we are processors that have evolved to specialize at certain tasks in exchange for being weak at others
there is no way to actually say whether something is sufficiently respectful
a few hundred years ago you might have moral outrage in a town because someone burned down a building filled with supplies
now you have people grouping up by the thousands to whine about people sitting with their legs too far apart are "oppressive"
or have you already accepted that endless refinement will mean that details you consider asinine to focus on will one day garner the same reaction as not feeding your children does today?
>>144232577
>Bible is fundament of western morality and God say kill all infidels.
And that somehow makes atheism alright?
Yay! Atheist genocide is good! That means Western religion is good also for doing genocide before everyone else! Wooo!
Your argument is stupid for the fact you don't even believe in it.
>>144232577
>because humans before us said so
That is not how the golden rule works. That is actually the complete opposite of how it works.
>>144232704
The president of america rapes a newly born infant infront of her mother while yelling "BABY FUCK! IT'S AWWWWIIIIGGGGHHHTTT" and then sticks it in a blender.
> this thread
>>144218668
Fuck man, why did you have to remind me.
>>144217883
Read this a few days ago, thought I could manage to rub one out to it. Still managed to keep it at half-mast until the fifth chapter.
By the time I was finished I'm pretty sure I had gotten erectile dysfunction.
>>144232488
>your perceptions are always going to be biased in some way
You act as if yours are not.
As a matter of fact, your entire argument is reliant on separating human thought from the rest of the universe, and you have yet to prove that hypothesis.
However, I am using universal principles to support mine, and all you can say is "It does not exist."
You need to work harder. I am biased to think that human beings run off of physics and morality must conform to the same principles in order to eliminate bias.
Are you prepared to tell me that physics is false?
>>144231852
>our brains function according to computing principles decided by the laws of physics
nope
>>144217883
>Not even on Exhentai
Is it that degenerate?
>>144232763
>Your argument is stupid for the fact you don't even believe in it.
That's called sarcasm.
>>144232702
>you can't read
speak for yourself
You know that group known as EVERYONE that the homeless guy never gave food to? That includes you dipshit.
I broadened it just to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Consider what it becomes when you can't perform a single action towards a person until they have specifically done it to you.
Now obviously this isn't thousands of years ago and we've actually advanced our reasoning since then.
You see now we actually base our actions upon things in a more general sense. Treat this sick guy who I don't know because his job is useful? Well guess what? The same thing goes for "harmful" actions.
That's why terms like "collateral damage" exist as they do.
We don't simply weigh our decisions on right and wrong, hardly any of us actually strive for perfection, because we're so biased.
This broadening, relying on vague ideas still allows us to base our actions, in practice, on things that we can barely perceive.
We'll do shitty things just because it MIGHT NOT bite us in the ass. Hell we'll even do good things because some deity a guy invented hundreds of years ago will reward us in an afterlife we've never seen.
You have no idea if any of the exchanges you are making are equivalent by your standards until after the fact, perhaps you may still lack the resources to check.
Also if charity is just to "feel good about it", you're technically using an individual when they haven't specifically used you.
>>144232809
Idk why but I find that super fucking hilarious
Like I cant even take it seriously if its meant to be disgust-inducing that shit just sounds so fucking absurd its hilarious
>>144232904
Oh alright I read the last pages and at least the president gets fucked over a bit
>>144232796
I will tell children, all of them, that you is evil incarnate. Humans after us will know what you evil. According to golden rule you are evil.
>>144232735
>by your own reasoning you shouldn't even be capable of knowing how many negatives are actually involved
Oh, yes. infinite negatives. Your reasoning is a "paradox".
>so you pretty much admitted that you nor anyone else has a goddamn clue what they're talking about
Sure. If you WANT to look at it like that, then sure. That means everything you say is false and should be discarded. However, that is your absolute statement and not mine.
>the only way to stop discriminating is to die
Or, you know.... You can just stop.
>a few hundred years ago you might have moral outrage in a town because someone burned down a building filled with supplies
Were those supplies important? Then the golden rule applies and people's actions must be proportional to the value of the supplies.
>now you have people grouping up by the thousands to whine about people sitting with their legs too far apart are "oppressive"
Do not mistake false morality for true morality. True morality is the golden rule. False morality is hypocrisy. Demanding from others that which you yourself are not willing to do.
>or have you already accepted that endless refinement will mean that details you consider asinine to focus on will one day garner the same reaction as not feeding your children does today?
Did you ignore the entire statement? For every action, there is an EQUAL and OPPOSITE reaction. How this rule is applied depends on the situation at hand.
Small problems require small solutions, big problems require big solutions. Everything is appropriate quantities.
>>144223026
10/10 show
>>144232809
is that the manga with mute stump Saber?
>>144233095
You clearly don't know what the golden rule is, huh? Okay. Sure. I believe you.
>>144232989
Just because something is sarcastic doesn't make it any less stupid. Your point is to demonize religion. Congrats?
>>144232953
All of human reasoning is biased and flawed and built upon mountains and mountains of nothing. The only thing you absolutely 'know' for definite is the present unfolding moment.
Morality,reasoning and the rest are all part of the unnecessary layer humans put on their experience of reality and can only ever be biased.
>>144219978
>Radioactive man
Didn't he beg to be killed everytime they took him out of a medically induced coma?
>>144233039
I agree, it's so over the top it's impossible to find it funny.
While one of his other works, Schoolgirl in Concrete feels much more real (especially since it's based on an actual case) and has a stronger effect on me.
>>144232809
>dat presidential ass
>>144232702
>not fucking homeless people
But what if he has a really good cardboard box, and I need a place to sleep?
>This thread
>>144232964
Its on g.e.
>>144233143
>infinite negatives
I didn't say there were infinite, I said it was a pointless claim
>That means everything you say is false
No? I'm again pointing out your flawed reasoning
>Do not mistake false morality for true morality
As society advances does morality inherently become refined (with, for example) a fixed population, or does it change randomly? Do you know?
>Everything is appropriate quantities
I think you're too confident in your ability to judge what's appropriate
>this thread
>>144232964
>>144233350
It's not.
Was taken down because of copyright.
>>144233031
>You know that group known as EVERYONE that the homeless guy never gave food to? That includes you dipshit.
Oh, my... You think I don't donate money or give to people? That is an unusual assumption to make considering you never met me.
>I broadened it just to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Why? The golden rule always applies and you helped me with proving my point.
>Consider what it becomes when you can't perform a single action towards a person until they have specifically done it to you.
You do know that your failure to read makes this sentence of yours sound absolutely stupid, right? Economy of morality does not care what people do as long as it is of equal value. Think actual economics for a second. Or better yet, physics.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Energy cannot be created or destroyed; only converted. CONVERTED.
>That's why terms like "collateral damage" exist as they do.
Yes. If you think that collateral damage is normal, then you should not blame anyone for making it. You know, golden rule.
>We'll do shitty things just because it MIGHT NOT bite us in the ass.
Well, you best be ready to have people do shitty things to you because it might not bite them in the ass. golden rule.
>You have no idea if any of the exchanges you are making are equivalent by your standards until after the fact, perhaps you may still lack the resources to check.
Actually, we do have the resources to check. It is called personal perspective. Let's go to economics real quick. You want a car, so you offer money. The two of you negotiate until you offer money enough to get the car. Golden rule. If you FAIL to come to an agreement, you just don't do it.
This all falls under the golden rule. You do not expect anything for yourself that you are not willing to give. To recieve, you must be willing to give.
Violating the golden rule is the same as breaking morality. Because it is.
You gave the homeless guy money to use him. Golden rule.
>>144232953
I'm not a tripfag so you can't assume exactly who is responding to you. Comment chains with one reply at a time aren't always between the same two people.
I'm not acting as if they're not. You're assuming that I'm acting as if I'm not, which is false.
Your interpretations of any applications of any rules are always going to be subjective.
I'm not claiming that "physics is false" because that's redundant, I'm suggesting that your interpretations are flawed.
Stop projecting.
The fact that you said "run off physics" tells me that you're either not literate, not bothered, or simply don't understand.
As morals evolve, reproductive choices will change. Morals will change our DNA.
Assuming we continue to value reproduction so as not to die out, we'll continue to take up an increasing amount of space, as advances in technology either make more resources available or create the illusion of their availability. As evidenced by the explosion in the world population.
But to what end? Isn't earth/the universe (pick a scale) only so large?
Population control will become a factor. An optimal population size for achieving maximum morality calculation efficiency will be produced (and change over time).
Either way, just because a rule makes you comfortable across the board, does not make it absolute, fundamental, or correct. It doesn't even make it relevant.
>start reading this thread
>look up dude who died to radiation sickness
>find a list of the worst deaths recorded in history
>spend the last 4 hours doing extensive readings on radiation sickness, persian torture methods and decompression
And yet again I became a smarter person thanks to you /a/.
>>144233603
>persian torture methods
scaphism?
>>144233214
>Your point is to demonize religion. Congrats?
Bible didn't abide to golden rule, by using golden rule you demonize religion. Congrats?
>>144232796
>>because humans before us said so
>That is not how the golden rule works. That is actually the complete opposite of how it works.
>complete opposite
>opposite
Houston, we have a problem. The joke, it's going over his head.
>>144233625
Yes.
>>144233625
scaphism is prob one of the most creative tortures ever
almost admirable
>>144232841
Do you mean you came so hard, it fucked your dick up, or the story was so depressing your dick retracted into your body?
>>144233355
> I said it was a pointless claim
So your claim is pointless. Congrats.
>No? I'm again pointing out your flawed reasoning
By saying all human reasoning is inherently irrelevant to the universe, therefore, you being human and that statement being of human thought, is also irrelevant? Sure. I believe you. You said you are wrong, and I won't disagree.
>As society advances does morality inherently become refined (with, for example) a fixed population, or does it change randomly? Do you know?
The golden rule never changes. Sure, society changes, and how we use the golden rule may change in context, but the same can be said about gravity. Gravity is used different in orbit as opposed to on the earth. We still respect the principle of gravity. Same goes for the golden rule.
>I think you're too confident in your ability to judge what's appropriate
Pay for what you take. What is appropriate is irrelevant, as the golden rule does not care. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Only converted.
Justice does not steal a car every time someone steals a car. They make them give it back, pay for it, or serve jail time. The golden rule does not care how appropriate quantities are reached, and it does not care what we judge to be is appropriate.
You, on the other hand, seem to think that it does.
>>144233625
I might not have been born in time to travel the universe, but at least I wasn't born in time for that.
>>144233215
>All of human reasoning is biased and flawed and built upon mountains and mountains of nothing. The only thing you absolutely 'know' for definite is the present unfolding moment
Therefore the statement you made is irrelevant as it baseless and based on nothing.
Your statement is part of the unnecessary layer humans put on their experience of reality and can only ever be biased.
You are contradicting yourself.
>>144233272
Share, or pay him for the box, or buy your own box. Figure something out. The Golden rule does not care how.
>>144233544
>You think I
No
>you helped me with proving my point
Confirmation bias
>For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Energy cannot be created or destroyed; only converted. CONVERTED.
And in an economy of morality, sometimes the sum total of someone's misdeeds are the end result of an entire culture
For example, harm caused by ignorance.
Good won't necessarily come to the individual who does it, same goes for harm.
Which only proves my point of being unable to truly perceive the effects of your actions.
>>144233544
That's not an application of your golden rules, that's advising me to listen to my own advice. Which I will.
>Actually, we do have the resources to check
It was a hypothetical and I'm getting a little bored of you randomly reshaping almost every statement I make to fit some arbitrary opposite
The thing is I don't feel particularly different about how people should be treated. So it would help to stop with this black and white thinking.
The difference is that I don't see it as absolute. I am human. Our conversation is flawed. All of our points are flawed. Only in hindsight will we have the best chance at recognizing our mistakes. Whether we will learn is another matter.
The homeless guy places himself there to garner the attention of many, counting on the few to make it worthwhile.
>>144233755
>You, on the other hand, seem to think that it does.
Arbitrary assumption
This thread is out of control. Can we go back to recommending fucked up mangos? There doesn't need to have any gore really, sometimes less is more.
>>144233755
>By saying all human reasoning is inherently irrelevant to the universe, therefore, you being human and that statement being of human thought, is also irrelevant? Sure. I believe you. You said you are wrong, and I won't disagree.
not him but seeing as there's no other method to communicate a point from one human to another human being, it's not like he's being massively hypocritical.
>When she gets fucked by some hobo at the beginning of Ch. 7
>Mfw that fucking X-Ray panel of the cum inside her womb almost reaching the baby growing inside it
Doesn't help that I've actually known people who had issues with drugs/rape in the past
I don't even know anymore
>>144233817
Sometimes you have to dabble in imperfection like Lao Tzu who wrote the Tao te Ching despite coining the phrase 'he who speaks does not know, and he who knows does not speak'
>>144233726
The latter
I was doing fine until she turned gyaru
Now i'm even more sex repulsed than ever
>>144233969
>Now i'm even more sex repulsed than ever
I think this was Shindo:'s plan all along
>>144233928
>You can see her vag has scabs and STDs on it
Ugh. At least she can't suffer any more.
>>144234014
At this point, I think Shindol just rides the edge as hard as he does to get a rise out of people, literally and figuratively.
>>144233817
You assume how much meaning that poster places upon the discovery/sharing of these ideas.
Remember that you just assume.
What that poster claimed is what actually allows your claims to even have a modicum of relevance or sense.
The fact that we come from having no knowledge to gathering and studying a vast amount of data.
What it also does is level the playing field because it points out that your reasoning is equally as fallible because you too are a human that formed your opinions from nothing.
How is this relevant to your point? Because our efforts as a species to develop and learn (including becoming more morally responsible) came from nothing.
We have only come a particular distance, because we started from nothing.
>This thread
Solve trolleybus problem with golden rule.
>>144233864
How about this one
>http://exhentai.org/g/892414/5305dc6cee/
Little hope for a translation of the rest of the chapters =(
>>144233858
>No
You made a clear statement telling me about the kind of person I am and how I act. You are in denial.
>Confirmation bias
Hypocrisy.
>And in an economy of morality, sometimes the sum total of someone's misdeeds are the end result of an entire culture
Sure. As long as the Golden rule applies.
>harm caused by ignorance.
Do you want to be punished for your acts of ignorance? Then do not punish others.
>Good won't necessarily come to the individual who does it, same goes for harm.
Harm is a violation of the golden rule, and good done in the context of expecting compensation is also a violation of the golden rule.
>That's not an application of your golden rules
Yes. That is EXACTLY what the golden rule states. Treat others as you would wish to be treated. I am glad we have reached this point of agreement.
>The thing is I don't feel particularly different about how people should be treated. So it would help to stop with this black and white thinking.
As long as you don't care how people treat you in turn, Golden rule applies!
>The difference is that I don't see it as absolute. I am human. Our conversation is flawed. All of our points are flawed. Only in hindsight will we have the best chance at recognizing our mistakes. Whether we will learn is another matter.
Therefore anything you say is flawed and your statement that there is no absolutes is an absolute in and of itself, and a paradox.
>The homeless guy places himself there to garner the attention of many, counting on the few to make it worthwhile.
As long as he respects the golden rule and tries to give back what he takes. Whether he can is irrelevant. Trying and failing is a form of payment that respects the golden rule.
>Arbitrary assumption
yes. an arbitrary assumption made by you who accuses the golden rule of not applying because it is impossible to judge properly the value of actions.
>>144234178
We already do. There are medicines with death as a side effect.
>>144233808
It's coming back within your lifetime, and if you're young enough to be drafted and American it's actually a very likely way for you to be killed.
>>144234130
This so hard.
>>144233956
So by speaking, you admit that your entire statement is made in ignorance, right? Also, since Lao Tzu spoke with his Tao te Ching, he doesn't know anything.
Also, scientists don't know anything either, right?
Context. Context of quotes is extremely important.
>>144234216
Fuck I meant as a risk, not side effect.
>>144234065
I guess so, the one with Dragon Kid, the Link one, hell, the Elin doujins where its hurr durr loli stuff only for it to end with the implication that not are they only sex slaves, but they're later turned into livestock to be literally butchered.
>>144233864
>fucked up mangoes
>fucked up freak accidents and horrendous rape/cannibalism stories irl
>discussion about morality, humans, religion, etc
I don't even know what's going on anymore.
>>144225567
I dun get it.
Why were we 3 minutes off on 1984? What happened there?
And even if there is a nuke detonating somewhere, it is not like the whole world is gonna die.
>144234181
How is Karin a special prostitute? I have to know.
>>144234273
Yes, no one 'knows' anything, that was my whole point. If you cannot verify something first-hand you do not truly,absolutely know it.
The context of the quote is speaking about reality is not 'knowing' reality.
>>144234319
Think about it. You'll never forget emergence. You'll never forget ShindoL. You can always tell his distinct artstyle.
It works both ways. People who don't like his stuff can avoid it. But people who do will always be able to find him. His market might be smaller, but it's probably 10x as loyal.
>>144234278
Side effects is based on probability, so if there not null probability that victim will livo rape golden rule dicates what i must rape.
>>144234423
>love rape
fix
>>144234207
>You made a clear statement
I'm pretty aware of how unclear any statement is going to be until we choose to form some sort of rapport
>Hypocrisy
Ad hominem fallacy. Hypocrisy does not inherently make my logic flawed.
>Do you want to be punished for your acts of ignorance?
Is that question assuming the answer is no? I do in fact want to be punished for my ignorance. You have made a false assumption again.
>That is EXACTLY what the golden rule states
As in it's not an act of applying the logic. I did not state that equal cause/effect does not apply to your flawed actions. I only suggested in this thread that attempts to be balanced will be flawed.
>As long as you don't care how people treat you in turn, Golden rule applies!
Incorrect. True rules still apply if you're aware/unaware, care or don't.
You'll find that people selfishly assisting others for the good feeling in exchange for the same *convenient* selfishness is quite common, although whether that means it's not selfish is another matter.
>is an absolute in and of itself, and a paradox.
it's a matter of degrees, that's black and white thinking again. Stop with the blanket statements
>who accuses the golden rule of not applying
No, I accused you of being unable to perceive the rule in action. The effects of our actions are far too complex for us to perceive.
There is both arrogance and kindness in your words. Please reassess the situation.
>>144234423
It's just semantics but the term side effect is applied when the probability is very high, I think. When the probability is lower another term is used which I don't remember.
>>144234379
>soviet union in it's death throes
>united states run by a senile extremist
>iran-iraq war in full swing
>"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes".
>israel-lebanon-syria-egypt clusterfuck in full swing
They were interesting times.
>>144234112
>You assume how much meaning that poster places upon the discovery/sharing of these ideas.
He replies, right? The meaning he places is up to him and is irrelevant to me. I post because I want to, and he clearly does also. Golden rule.
>Remember that you just assume.
I assume the laws of physics are consistent, and we function by those very same laws, and that our thinking must abide by laws that reflect them.
Yes. I assume. Now, if you want me to stop assuming for something different, you best get to work.
>What that poster claimed is what actually allows your claims to even have a modicum of relevance or sense.
Or, he does not make sense and I just do. As that is well within the possibility. To deny the possibility would mean that humanity has found the absolute rule to define all rules. As you said, giving me relevance and sense.
However, his entire argument lies on the idea that nothing is relevant or makes sense.
>What it also does is level the playing field because it points out that your reasoning is equally as fallible because you too are a human that formed your opinions from nothing.
If you imply the laws of physics are nothing, then I will not deny you that. It is from there I base my assumptions, and if you believe my base is wrong, you are well within your rights because I believe your base is also wrong. Golden rule applies.
However, I have a deeper base than his and if his thought is to disprove mine, he must attack the base of physics.
>we started from nothing.
Nothing is a relative term that is irrelevant to physics. The concept of defining the difference between abstract and physical would be made irrelevant if we came from nothing, as the physical world must also be nothing if nothing is all we ever were.
MEANING, when everything is nothing, we can compare which noting is the best nothing, and finding a consistent nothing rule-set that is universal for all nothing.
Is the universe nothing?
>>144229243
Don't. You'll get wrapped up in a series of visual novels where all of your favorite characters die and the ones you hate survive.
>>144219978
>Last name is Ouchi
Ha
>>144229243
Danganronpa 3, of which there are two versions airing at the same time for some reason. Highly recommended as a murder mystery.
>>144226471
https://youtu.be/GqJx13lAy_c
>tfw because of this thread I stayed up late and prevented a house fire
holy fucking shit, I nearly died were it for this thread.
>>144234745
>were it for this thread.
shit, I meant
>were it NOT for this thread
>>144234521
I'd like to expand on my point here about cause and effect.
My example of convenient selfishness. It's a moral grey area.
The universe does not discriminate. Just because the reaction is equal does not make it "just" or "moral". It just makes it possible.
>>144234575
>and is irrelevant to me
But your assumptions included how much importance he placed upon his choices
>Or, he does not make sense and I just do.
What allows his comments to make sense also allow yours to
>lies on the idea that
It's as if you're fixed on the idea that everyone replying is some sort of amoral nihilist/solipsist, it's not really helpful
>If you imply the laws of physics are nothing
I never did anything of the sort. Consider that your biases led you to assume that. The same biases appear to be involved in your claims in this thread.
>Nothing is a relative term that is irrelevant to physics
At one point in time, there was no human knowledge in the universe
I'm not trying to suggest that "something" comes from "nothing" or anything else so silly.
We do what is possible.
Please share your thoughts on free will. I think some of your comments lack context without them.
>>144234590
can i have anyway?
>>144218744
This only happens in 2D if she somehow lives a place where the entire population is made of sociopaths.
>>144229869
>>144229922
WHY
AND WHY THE FUCK IT HAD TO BE TOUHOU?
>>144234521
>I'm pretty aware of how unclear any statement is going to be until we choose to form some sort of rapport
Rapport is important.
>Hypocrisy does not inherently make my logic flawed.
Yes, it does. Logic must work both ways and be consistent in its rule set. Hypocrisy is disrespecting the golden rule, as the golden rule is logical.
>I only suggested in this thread that attempts to be balanced will be flawed.
So you imply that paying for a car is flawed and must always be stolen? Well, as long as you are consistent and apply that rule to everyone, the golden rule can, in theory, apply.
Vikings believed that dying in battle is the greatest honor one can have. Killing their enemy means that they have sent many enemies to experience the best thing ever. That sounds oddly loving, don't you think?
Golden rule. It is damn flexible.
>True rules still apply if you're aware/unaware, care or don't.
Yes. Golden rule always applies until it is violated by hypocrisy and paradox thinking. The golden rule always applies, as everyone is inherently aware of it. When someone is stolen from, they know something went wrong. It is the same thing as somehow making matter with no byproduct.
Now, if you go and tell me that the laws of physics can be broken, then you have an argument that invalidates mine.
>it's a matter of degrees
Saying that everything humans think is irrelevant is an absolute. With the word everything attached, it becomes an absolute. You use the word nothing a lot. Also an absolute.
You are the one making the blanket statements. I am merely pushing your statements to their logical conclusions, and you don't like it. Paradoxes exist because they violate the golden rule.
>No, I accused you of being unable to perceive the rule in action.
THERE WE GO! Something new.
A man kill another man. The man is dead, and the other lives. The man who lives is suddenly killed by another man. Perfect freedom to kill or be killed with no outside special plot armor.
>>144234745
This thread may have made me suicidal but at least it saved a life so that's good.
>>144234940
Bad ends always seem worse when you know the characters.
What the fuck happened to /a/? Are there really that many newfags just now discovering ancient meme shit like Uziga's Girl in Concrete?
This thread depressed me, I'm surrounded by normies.
This is why i vow to destroy humans when i become a isekai MC
>>144234982
Not when it's completely out of character. Then it becomes just stupid and all shock factor is lost.
>>144221961
Spotted the edge.
>>144217883
>hey this thread seems interesting, can't be too ba-
>>144223026
I still don't understand the point or message of this show.
>>144232589
He ran into it at the moment until Casca comes back pissed off at him. I expect something to knock the fucking senses into hervia the kid.
>>144235038
>waaaaah he hurt my feelings he's so edgy
I'm not even that guy but you're going to need to toughen up a bit if you want to post on this board you fucking pussy.
>>144224920
>>144224985
Just a friendly reminder the environment is destroying the exterior of your body every day, and the only thing preventing us from being this guy is that our DNA can repair itself.
That's why you get hurt for longer as you age. Your DNA becomes less and less efficient at repair as the telomeres shorten, so injuries and sicknesses are more dangerous.
>>144234957
You're making false assumptions again
Just because our economy is flawed does not mean we should steal. This would be arbitrary, and of course selfish.
The problem here is that you're equating laws of physics with morals.
How can you know that we're even close to that being the case?
I'm not saying that we should take actions that are considered to be abusive simply because our systems are imperfect. I'm only saying that they are imperfect.
In taking things to your "logical conclusions" you're consistently reshaping my comments to fit your narrative which takes them out of context.
You're here to preach and I am here to question. If you want to garner respect or enlighten people you're being very inefficient about it.
>Something new.
I've probably said it in some form at least five other times in this thread, you're not paying attention
Life isn't like a video game. Physics doesn't have a heart.
Organisms exist and persist because they protect themselves and/or reproduce. Why should maintaining existence be moral?
You ignore almost every time I agree with you so that you can frame me as disagreeing. You also ignore pertinent questions, as if you don't wish me to understand.
The golden rule should be applied but not for the childlike reasons you keep repeating constantly.
A person who is deprived of something for their actions may not know they're deprived. Is their ignorance or living situation the punishment? Both? One makes the other irrelevant.
>>144229869
Eirin would never do this.
Why is every Touhou doujin so out-of-character?
>>144234957
>Golden rule. It is damn flexible.
I found you problem, you a retard. Golden rule dictates me to inform you of this fact.
Well, now after i did what golden rule waht, i must return to my duty of raping "not null victim".
I am the very model of a moralfag.
>>144219978i find this fascinating
>>144234835
>My example of convenient selfishness
Selfishness is not wrong if you accept the selfishness of others. Golden rule applies.
>The universe does not discriminate. Just because the reaction is equal does not make it "just" or "moral". It just makes it possible.
Good. You are right. The universe is not just or moral. Rather, it is my point that moral and justice must be based off of the universe itself and not discriminate either to be consistent with the universe.
Not the other way around. The universe gives way to economy of just morality and law.
>But your assumptions included how much importance he placed upon his choices
Yes. HE places. It is not my responsibility to decide. If he assigns no value, then there is no value to him. Golden rule applies. You decide the value of your own life, and the value of your possessions, and the value of your interactions. Everyone else does the same as that is the golden rule.
>What allows his comments to make sense also allow yours to
Except, his statement is a paradox. Saying that wrong things make right things more right, thus making the wrong right is... a type of mental gymnastics that I don't care to humor.
The golden rule applies here. Balance in principle and application. If there is no balance, the thought is hypocritical and a paradox.
>It's as if you're fixed on the idea that everyone replying is some sort of amoral nihilist/solipsist, it's not really helpful
Consider that your biases led you to assume that. The same biases appear to be involved in your claims in this thread.
>I'm not trying to suggest that "something" comes from "nothing" or anything else so silly.
Then why did you use those words? If you truly are trying to inform me of a greater concept, it has been clearly lost in lack of sufficient communication and vocabulary. Who is lacking? I do not know. I must say I am intrigued.
>Please share your thoughts on free will.
This is a good question. Character limit.
>>144235289
By the way I also deliberately left a flaw in this post. Imaginary cookie if you can pick it out.
>>144233603
Decompression causes a shit ton of gaseous emboli and eardrum explosions from a higher internal pressure. That's why you decompress in steps.
>>144235326
Gravity is flexible. It is a single rule that applies universally.
If I am retarded, tell that to the astronauts in orbit and tell them to start crashing into the ground or else they are breaking the laws of gravity.
The golden rule dictates that if you want to call people retarded, you must accept other people calling you retarded. So, to respect your wishes, you are retarded.
>>144233928
>>Mfw that fucking X-Ray panel of the cum inside her womb almost reaching the baby growing inside it
That's not how that works, though. It's literally not possible, there's a firm plug that forms on the cervix that seals it off completely after pregnancy is in swing.
>>144235318
I don't think you can canonically say that Eirin wouldn't smash Reisen's newborn in front of her, without final word from ZUN.
>>144235408
That's only for humans. Hentai creatures have cervixes that can expand to accommodate an entire penis.
>>144223904
Thats a uniform I can get behind
>ShindoL is actually a pretty good looking guy
>He recently announced his engagement
He's doing what he loves, making mad dosh, and marrying a cute girl.
How does that make you feel?
>this entire thread
>>144234319
>only sex slaves, but theyre later turned into livestockname? im on mobile
>>144234745
thats pretty cool to hear
>>144235085
thats what happens when we get down-to-earth
>>144235335dont we all
>>144235485
I feels good. I want porn artists to be happy, even if their porn doesn't appeal to me. Porn artists never get enough credit for what they do.
>>144235404
>Gravity is flexible. It is a single rule that applies universally.
Wow wow, slow down there. So you say what you know what is gravity, then next Nobel Prize is your.
And again I must rape, for the golden rule.
>>144235351
>Selfishness is not wrong if you accept the selfishness of others.
This sentence is incoherent. Being wrong makes it selfish.
>If he assigns no value, then there is no value to him.
I think you've actually forgotten what we're even discussing here
>If there is no balance, the thought is hypocritical and a paradox
Incorrect. Hypocrisy doesn't make a statement invalid. Neither does ignorance. A retarded smoker can correctly advise you against smoking for the sake of your health.
>Saying that wrong things make right things more right
You don't even grasp the fundamentals of his comments and this is the result of your attempts to decipher them. This is unfortunate. Or maybe your golden rule is at work and you didn't try enough. It's far simpler than you think.
>Consider that your biases led you to assume that. The same biases appear to be involved in your claims in this thread.
Oh how clever you can use copy/paste. "No you" is not an argument. You seem to have little interest in improving our understanding of one another. You speak as if to correct, and these terms would be what I derived. The "logical conclusion" I reached from assessing what good there might be in your intentions. I give you the benefit of the doubt and you throw it back in my face. All I ask is that you stop insisting on imagining such a vast gap between our positions on this topic. Do you not see this?
Your last two comments actually prevented me from closing this tab. Please continue.
>>144235289
>You're making false assumptions again
You are boring me with accusing me of making assumptions. We both established what assumptions are being made and that no idea can be made without assumptions. You are assuming that my assumptions are inherently wrong and yours inherently hold value.
>Just because our economy is flawed does not mean we should steal.
Economy is equivalent exchange of assets. That is not flawed. Stealing violates economic principle of equivalent exchange, and therefore breaks the economy. The economy follows the same rules that physics follows, and is therefore a self-consistent system and a good one.
>The problem here is that you're equating laws of physics with morals.
GOOD! You made a statement that addresses my assumption of basing my argument on physical laws. You are going for that matters most.
>I'm not saying that we should take actions that are considered to be abusive simply because our systems are imperfect. I'm only saying that they are imperfect.
I don't care about that. Let's get back to the important part.
>In taking things to your "logical conclusions" you're consistently reshaping my comments to fit your narrative which takes them out of context.
Because your logical conclusions are examples of evil, or an incomplete data set where you did not push the conclusion far enough.
Evil is the violation of the natural order, the order being balance in moral economy. Hypocrisy and paradox. Any rule that you apply to others can inevitably be applied to yourself. What these rules are are irrelevant as long as balance is maintained. Moral IS balance.
>I am here to question
I am answering every question you ask of me and you don't like it? If you are finding this to be so uncomfortable, maybe you should respect the golden rule and take your own advice.
>maintaining existence be moral
It does not need to be. HOW we exist must be moral.
>People having a morality discourse in a fucking shitty hentai thread
FOR WHAT PURPOSE
WHAT IS TO BE GAINED
>>144235743
This is my fetish.
>>144235685
>>144235695
>>144235289
>>144234957
>>144234521
>>144234207
>>144233858
>>144233544
Go join an IRC channel and post your fucking novels over there you faggots. Nobody wants to read your shitty wall of text here. Fuck off.
>>144218347
You fucking didn't
>>144235743
Porn is the most sophisticated form of art to exist, as such it is the best possible premise to start a discussion about the depth of human morality.
>>144235695
>You are assuming that my assumptions are inherently wrong and yours inherently hold value.
No I'm assuming the scale and locations of the problems in our logic. Or to be clearer, I am assuming where the value is, and it is not necessarily one-sided. There is merit to some of your words, but not all of them.
>Let's get back to the important part.
I think this is important. We didn't just plateau.
>Evil is the violation of the natural order
Then humans are not capable of evil, as the natural order is defined by physics, which you so zealously repeat to us. Or do you see us as interacting with some supernatural forces all of a sudden?
>I am answering every question
Nope unless there's more than one of you
Cognitive dissonance is beautiful
>It does not need to be. HOW we exist must be moral.
They're mutually inclusive, unless you believe the natural order is the elimination of human DNA as it exists
>>144235790
You can hide an entire chain of comments, and all future replies in one go. That's all the spoon-feeding I'm willing to do here. Your comment contradicts itself and is also untrue as per the various responses from others.
>>144235685
>This sentence is incoherent
It is only incoherent if you violate the golden rule. Selfishness is refusing to consider others, a form of hypocrisy. So, if you can somehow consider others AND be selfish, then sure. You meet the standards of the golden rule. I am well aware of how incoherent it may sound, but I will not rule out the possibility of SOMEONE figuring out how.
>I think you've actually forgotten what we're even discussing here
I might have, considering I am speaking with multiple people. I am considering dropping the other conversation to focus on you for simplicity's sake.
>Incorrect. Hypocrisy doesn't make a statement invalid. Neither does ignorance. A retarded smoker can correctly advise you against smoking for the sake of your health
Ah, vocabulary. This is miscommunication. hypocrisy by the definition I am using is applying rules to others that you don't apply to yourself. Giving advice is not applying a rule to others. It is giving advice and I can still choose to smoke in spite of the advice. Now, if you smoke and force no one else to smoke, you are violating the golden rule. You have the choice to smoke, but no one else does.
I use hypocrisy in its violent definition as opposed to the passive one. The one that violates the freedom of others.
>You don't even grasp the fundamentals of his comments and this is the result of your attempts to decipher them
It is distinctly possible that you may not understand what I am saying. We have already disagreed on vocabulary several times, and this may be another. However, it may very well be a strict bias on your part as well. I am not you, so I don't know, and will probably never.
>"No you" is not an argument.
Only if you accuse someone of having a flaw that you yourself have. You accuse me of having a bias, and you yourself have a bias. Having a bias is not always the deciding factor. of an argument. You could be biased to do the right thing all the time and still be right. Free will coming.
>>144235743
Without proper discourse over morality, how do I know whether to root for the orcs or the elves?
>>144235612
Prepare to get raped in turn.
>>144235992
I'm honestly surprised to see someone admit to miscommunication in a thread like this.
>>144236018
Golden rule wills it.
>>144235685
>Free will
Okay. Free will is absolute. If you want to go into the whole cause and effect issue, quantum physics would like to have a word with you.
In regards to assumptions, I assume freedom of choice is universally true. If freedom is absolute and does not discriminate, the laws that we follow must be absolute and not discriminate. The golden rule, in context of a perfectly free universe, is the only rule that can be universally be applied, as that is how I see the natural state of how things work everywhere else.
You are free to make whatever choice you desire as long as you accept the fact that everyone and everything else in the universe is free to make whatever choice suits their desire. Whether it be an atom desiring a positive or negative charge, or a human being wanting to donate to a homeless person. The golden rule applies to all.
The situations, our choices, and the context is never the same. However, the rule is always the same.
If you want to tell me I am wrong, that is fine. I welcome it and don't blame you. However, the golden rule states that I can do the same in turn.
The golden rule applies both ways, always.
Now, if freedom is an illusion, then I'm sorry. I am being compelled to write this over no fault of my own as that is what i am predestined to do.
>>144231834
Just finished reading that masterpiece, the last volume was almost unbearable though.
>>144236034
I do not deny that which I see. I saw miscommunication and addressed it directly to fix it. People always disagree because they do not understand the stance of the other. I am speaking now because we disagree. Misunderstanding is the definition of what we are doing right now, I think.
>>144235994
Golden rule.
>>144236228
>quantum physics
First gravity, now quantum physics. Nobels, Nobels for everyone.
And again to rape trolleybus.
this was quite a thread
>>144236228
I'm not sure if the thread will be deleted or what.
But it's been interesting.
I'm going to be left with many questions about you
What do you think of prayer? As in, is there a specific mechanism being deliberately accessed by the praying person during the action of praying, or was an effect from their inherent good will simply intensifying due to the increased focus on their good will?
>>144236372
I don't think we're misunderstanding anymore, but feel a bit cornered by the quantum physics comment as I haven't studied it.
What I do still question is whether there's a maximum possible good/evil in the universe. I would be inclined to assume you think there is a fixed amount, at least in proportion to the number of living beings.
If everything has an equal and opposite reaction, then there would have been no actions/choices and thus no good/evil before life existed.
I also wonder about what you think of how long the universe will continue to exist. If all death is deserved because life was created, and if your golden rule allows for everything to cease to exist, even whatever allows information to exist.
I like that humans can create sentences that they can never perceive. Especially numbers. I am led to wonder if you believe that the universe is bound by the numbers that can be conceived of, or the other way around, or neither.
>>144236624
I don't think he actually answered trolleybus, just said it already was with medicine. Anon please solve it.
>>144236624
Golden rule and freedom wills it.
Oh, darn. I forgot to watch the time. I missed my game session with friends. Got work tomorrow. Bye!
>>144217883
>noone is willing to pick up a slut in the street
literally wut
When she was kicked out she would have been scooped up; this is before she lost her teeth.
Japanese kids don't just run around in droves stripping and stomping on pregnant homeless women.
She had enough money saved up to buy a place.
None of this shit made sense.
I am still dissappointed in shindol for this
This isn't even taking into account her own stupidity and naivety, which was forced because hentai.
>>144222403
>the father is scolding her about promiscuity while he begins to rape her
The cognitive dissonance needed to write this is amazing
>>144236696
> medicine
That's utilitarianism, not golden rule.
>>144236704
We have model of quantum mechanics, but dosn't know what going on for real. Therefore quantum mechanics don't mean free will.
Rape trolleybus has no brakes.
>>144226095
>showing your daughterus hentai doujinshi at a young age won't fuck them up in the long run
I'd think this was nearing child abuse;
>showing your daughterus shindol and quzilax
>implying you aren't grooming them; while showing them that strangers are bad, exposing them to erotica meant for sick fucks/shock value
I fear for the little girls who sleep over at your house
>>144236671
The thread's not over!
Also my baby is healthy and now I have a full set of teeth somehow.
>>144236696
>What do you think of prayer?
It is important. I don't know how. this is less a question of morality and more a question of psychology and metaphysics. Neither of which I am fluent enough to give educated anything about.
All I know is that everyone does it, and it is important.
>quantum physics
A lot of things we interact with are measured not according to absolute measure, but rather the average of possibilities provided. It gets complicated.
>I do still question is whether there's a maximum possible good/evil in the universe.
No. Or rather, the ultimate evil to commit would be to violate the universe itself and end existence for no reason. That is unlikely, I think.
>there would have been no actions/choices and thus no good/evil before life existed.
In theory, yes. I don't know, though. Can non-living things make choices? Quantum physics is where this answer lies.
>universe will continue to exist
I get the golden rule from the universe. The universe does not come from me. So, I don't know.
>universe is bound
It doesn't matter. Or rather, it comes down to context. To me, the universe has no mystery math. Math is ours. The word rose is not the rose itself. It describes the rose because we assign meaning to the word that we find of the rose.
If your word for the things that make the universe go is math, then yes. If you think they are separate, then no. If you are unsure, it is neither until you decide.
I need to go do things. So, that is the last of what I think. What I believe is very simple in principle, but it takes a long time to think it through. My faith in morality lies in balance because I see the universe as balanced. If you want insight into my mind, it is a simple principle and you only need to move it until it breaks. I've been pushing it for many years now and it has not broken yet. It passed the test of nihilism, and I am probing the validity of existentialism. Well, goodnight.
>>144237068
>That's utilitarianism, not golden rule.
Utilitarianism as used in that example requires weighing everyone else equally to yourself. That's the golden rule.
>>144228830
No.
There are experiments where children are expected to use deception at a young age.
They fuck up simple deception royally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJkB6nrk1CA
>>144236896
People kill bums as a hobby in real life. It's easy to say that ShindoL's stuff takes in a fictional universe where everything is darker and harsher, but there's nothing here that by itself is unplausible. She's just very unlucky.
>get late for thread
>read a bit about suffering
>skip to the end
>metaphysics
Glad everyone's having fun I guess
I want to fuck elementary school girls!
>>144237670
This reminds me of a manga I found the other day.
This old guy who's like 50 and his family pretty much hates him despite him trying to be decent and he gets hit by a crash landing ufo and they rebuild him as an android as payback for killing him.
He looks like a normal guy but then his body parts transform into weapons.
>>144237755
its lovely
>>144237532
>equally to yourself
Utilitarianism is about maximizing utility.
Utilitarianism is more complicated system that can include golden rule, but golden rule can't include utilitarianism.
For example: if three human is starving then you can kill one of them to feed other, but using golden rule nobody want to die.
Now, anyone here can solve rape trolleybus problem?
>>144237755
It's how you know you're having an authentic 4chan experience
>>144237835
Golden rule will help you.
>>144237934
>rape trolleybus problem
not them but the case in india?
may the golden rule guide us all
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