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Even though this reveal wasn't all that surprising since they hinted it so many times, was it disappointing to you? It felt kinda "forced" to me as a cop-out to avoid a sad ending.
>>143928801
I dont feel it forced but i would have liked that didnt happen, a whole arc of hishiro trying to remember or a end with mc meeting with her and beggining to know each other again could have been better.
Still current arc in the manga could make me eat my words.
The mc kept saying she's like an imouto to him, but I wonder if she's actually older than him.
>>143928801
>reveal
Already? Albeit obvious, this took forever in the webcomic.
>>143929391
Anime already ended, anon.
>>143928801
>to avoid a sad ending.
Nothing will be avoided, if anything it's worse now. Once their ReLife ends, both their memories of each other will be erased.
It was better in the manga.
other thread is dildos so posting ED list here:
1. イ―ジュ－ライダー - Tamio Okuda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m43bCBLzjLQ
2. HOT LIMIT - T.M.Revolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_ITazf-S6U
3.HONEY - L'Arc~en~Ciel
https://vimeo.com/31021936
4. タイミング- BLACK BISCUITS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B8E3ZC_wks
5. これが私の生きる道 - PUFFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixEL1CXwCP0
6. Sunny Day Sunny - Sentimental Bus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bcmaeUzzt0
7. サウダージ - Porno Graffiti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-KeObCauoI
8. 雪の華 - Mika Nakajima
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RekgMinyvY
9. There will be love there -愛のある場所- the brilliant green
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x39m42p
10. 明日への扉 - I WiSH
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ii7j
11. PIECES OF A DREAM - CHEMISTRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y8D_PdzZHM
12. 夏祭り - Whiteberry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZb9qRFyc8A
changed #2 to one someone said was right version, sure as hell wasn't going to change it to the dancing power ranger one
>>143931005
I actually can't think of the last time I watched a show with a "mind erased" premise that didn't end with either them remembering, or the two people accidentally finding each other again.
FIGHTOOO!
I can has an An?
>>143928801
No, but it kind of cheapens the suicide episode in retrospect. It also raises the question of why he doesn't recognize her by name or cute neck mole.
...really? You didn't notice how Hishiro's character makes 1000% more sense after the reveal? She always came off as very unbelievable and unusual as a high school girl. The final ep actually made her make sense.
>>143934142
Hishiro is not his senpai.
>>143934299
>unusual
But that's what made her cute.
>>143934142
I'm going to have to start calling this bait from now on.
It's a little disappointing to me because this made going back to high school a little pointless, especially for her. Yes they wouldn't have met each other if they didn't sign on to Relife, but high school is no longer the essential element if neither of them were actually 17.
It had some very lewd moments
>>143934797
They are both 17 so it's ok.
>>143933480
Why don't they get married already?
>>143934797
FUCK OFF POST THAT SHIT ON /B/ YOU FAGGOT.
>>143931005
Unless I remembered it wrong, Yoake only said the teachers and the students would get their memories erased, not the test subjects. They would only do that to the test subjects if they break the terms of the contract.
>>143934977
>17
>not married
>with lights on
Obscenity such as this should be punishable by law.
>>143935216
Yeah, Hishiro actually has strong doubt that he is a relife like her but she can't confirm since if she was to learn the truth he would have his memories erased.
The best thing for them is to wait for the year to end
So how far ahead is the manga compared to the anime?
All main girls are best girls, even a side character like honkers isn't too bad
>>143935930
Anime ends around 105 manga is currently at 135, still waiting for the latest chapter to get translated.
>>143936134
Those... eyebrows.
>>143934367
>>143934594
Am I being rused? They look the same. She's even having nam flashbacks of her shitty workplace in the latest chapter.
>>143936192
Senpai is dead, and wasn't autistic.
>>143936192
they aren't the same character.
Senpai is very dead
And all workplaces look the same
>>143936134
I actually hope they don't show up too much, they felt like an unnecessary love-triangle subplot waiting to happen.
>>143936192
Do you honestly believe Hishiron could work in sales?
>>143928801
It was pretty damn obvious. I liked it. Cake ending is good
>>143932883
This was adorable
>>143928801
It worked a lot better in the webmanga, the anime definitely arranged it as a hook to make people buy volumes.
>>143936344
>>143936481
>>143936618
This changes everything. I-I need to lay down now.
>>143936344
Nips are autistic to begin with
>>143936157
Cool thanks. Does it update often?
>>143937746
Weekly
>>143934733
>but high school is no longer the essential element if neither of them were actually 17.
I don't see your point, the only thing their ages affect is that their potential love relationship with each other can have a future if it begins.
>>143938486
It's not ruining the story but it makes the internal conflict of the MC less meaningful (though it certainly would be funny to see he finding out his dilemma was for nothing.)
>>143935237
They did in public too. And lots of others did the same thing.
Are you starting a riot yet?
Doki doki si nai?
>>143928801
Read the webcomic
*sip*
>>143932510
I literally cried for 10m or more with the 10th ED
>tfw sticking to broadcast schedule so I have to avoid the threads
Just dropped by to say this, Kaizaki is a great comedy MC and for episode 2 the characters already have perfect chemistry with each other. Pretty much every scene has me grinning like an idiot. Also dat TM.
>>143928801
I don't think it was 'forced'. However, I do think that none of the characters feel truly adult. They all seem like teenagers to me, and this show seems like kind of a regular shoujou- or jousei-ish high school drama. The whole premise of an adult going back to school isn't really represented that well. Not to mention the fact that they spent a huge amount of time on people who supposedly are real teenagers, giving the main character a backseat position, which further reinforces the impression of watching a regular high school romance.
>>143940625
I still love 5 after a rewatch, it just seemed to go so well with Hishiro and Rena becoming friends at the end of that episode
>>143936344
>>143936481
>senpai is dead
w-what?
>>143928801
>>143940150
By the way, what webcomic chapter does the anime leave off on?
>>143941510
Don't read 4chan threads if you are sticking to broadcast schedule.
>>143932510
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixEL1CXwCP0 [Embed]
Best ED.
Now that I think of it, PUFFY was the first japanese band I listened to, because of their cartoon.
>>143941676
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>>143941510
She's dead, Jim.
Anime cut it out but you could actually see her body dangling from the noose in the webcomic.
>>143941558
103 I think.
Was she just kidding? /
>>143942110
Obviously. If she has romantic interest in anyone, it's much more likely to be her senpai.
>>143942110
I vaguely remember someone saying "only half of that was true" at the end of the episode, maybe they were referring to that? I can't remember
>>143935029
They both have horrible personalities. Does that make them a match?
Tomato did good in this, I want to fuck her voice.
>>143934299
By more sense you mean back to square one? I still mad over her autism getting worse during the school festival arc, it's like throwing all of her development out of the window right after the reveal.
>>143941111
I'm 27 and I don't feel like an adult. MC doesn't word-for-word step-for-step behave the same way I do but it feels plausibly similar.
Especially since I'm kind of a shitbag and a failure who is working part time retail and can only get by with my parents help.
I guess from my perspective that part of the show is pretty relatable. Compared to most shows i watch, it's very relatable.
>>143942638
But does the MC feel different when compared to the children he's interacting with? To me, he does not. There are a few jokes, e.g. him casually bringing cigarettes to school, being surprised to see cellphones, having beer in the fridge, etc. - but in terms of behaviour he doesn't really seem that different. The majority of what we've seen could as well have taken place in a regular high school romance manga. Perhaps the manga does a bit more in that direction, but in the anime, it almost felt as if they had forgotten about the background setting at some points.
>>143942110
she wants her sempai's D
>>143942833
>But does the MC feel different when compared to the children he's interacting with? To me, he does not.
I don't see why he needs to
>>143942833
The way he approached Hishiron, the way he dealt with Rena's bitchiness, even the way he subtly brought everyone together is definitely not something you can expect a regular highschooler to do.
The only time he might seem similar is when it comes to studies; other than that his behavior is not that of a kid.
>>143943138
Because he's an adult and not a teenager.
>>143943177
>The way he approached Hishiron, the way he dealt with Rena's bitchiness, even the way he subtly brought everyone together is definitely not something you can expect a regular highschooler to do.
To me that just seemed like your average shoujo MC. He really reminded me of Kazehaya from that Sadako anime.
>>143941558
108 but you rather start at 100 tho. They made some changes in the Jap cartoon
>>143943182
How would he behave differently? Adults and teenagers don't behave that differently, especially when they are of the same status. So MC is going to behave more like the students than the teacher despite being older than her.
Most of the really adult behaviors that he can do, he does, which is basically just not being as easily flustered as a teenager, hesitating to flirt with the teens, because it isn't proper, and picking up on social cues they'd miss.
>>143935216
>Unless I remembered it wrong, Yoake only said the teachers and the students would get their memories erased, not the test subjects.
that's actually fucking worst.
>implying you wouldn't a Rena
>>143942241
he was talking about the lies they were feeding him about ReLife, and stuff like how Yoake was in training for 2 years (he had a previous subject his second year, wasn't another training year).
>>143943632
I wouldn't cheat on Hishiro and definitely not with Rena.
>>143942833
The way he speaks and his point of view in life is what truly separates MC to the teenagers.
Other than that, there's not much different if you're 27 or a teenager.I'm 25 and I can tell.Unless you're one who value hierarchical standing then you'll definitely say MC is acting weird.
>>143943792
the only behaviour of his that is atypical is that he speaks from experience when he talks about stuff, that most teenagers would be relatively inexperienced in, or wouldn't notice until they've gotten older.
>>143943892
>point of view in life
>>143943574
He's struggling with homework given to children. This is someone who supposedly went to university. Not to mention that he's accepting the whole 'adventure' he's going through way too unquestioningly. He simply floats along with decisions others make for him.
Overall, he doesn't seem thoughtful enough but very often just as impulsive as the teenagers who are his peers.
>>143943234
>to me its a regular Asian drama
ftfy
>>143943182
The thing is that you are making adulthood seem so unique when it really isn't.
>>143943767
Ohhhh, gotcha
>>143944028
As a 27 year old I probably couldn't pass a high school math test or diagram an english sentence, because i haven't done either of those things since college.
>>143943792
>The way he speaks and his point of view in life is what truly separates MC to the teenagers.
Does he really have that different of a point of view?
>Other than that, there's not much different if you're 27 or a teenager.
But there is. I'm a different person than I was at 17. Seeing different things, having read a lot, having gotten a proper education, and generally becoming more mature affects you quite a bit.
>>143944099
It's nothing that happens at age 18 obviously. At age 18 you're hardly a real adult - even if you legally are. But by your late 20s you should be a different person than you were in your teenage years.
Does this image contain the lowest detectable limit of smugness in existence? A Planck smug?
>>143944238
Even if you couldn't do it on the fly (i.e. given a test on your first day in school), you should be able to do it with minimum effort of reading up how it worked. It's not like you need to truly understand most things but you only need to apply them in school.
>>143932604
Angel Beats, The World God Only Knows, Madoka Magica Rebellion, Steins;Gate, etc.
>>143944274
Yes. Because Hishiro herself doesn't know she's being smug.
>>143944307
That's true. I don't think it would take me more than a few tries to get above a 50%.
With that said, I'm gonna let that slide because it's obviously a plot device to draw MC closer to his classmates by literally requiring him to interact with at least two of them.
>>143944257
He is more mature. He's solving problems they wouldn't solve as teenagers (mostly because he's actually addressing them instead of hemming and hawing until they go away) and he's picking up on social and behavioral cues they'd miss.
He's not going to act like a teacher, because that behavior is dependent on status, not age. unless you can provide concrete examples of how he isn't acting like an adult, that are dependent on age and not status, I'm afraid you're just being unnecessarily contrarian.
>>143943234
>Kazehaya
>regular high schooler
What's this whining about the MC not acting his age?
A 17-years-old boy would not ask Reina "why have you given up?" instead of "why are you such a bitch?"
>>143944795
>He's solving problems they wouldn't solve as teenagers (mostly because he's actually addressing them instead of hemming and hawing until they go away) and he's picking up on social and behavioral cues they'd miss.
As I said: that doesn't seem particularly adult behaviour to me. You see male love interests in shoujo manga who act similarly, e.g. the aforementioned Kazehaya. In particular is this sort of meddling not necessarily something I'd characterise as adult.
>unless you can provide concrete examples of how he isn't acting like an adult
As I said before: his inability to deal with the problems given to high schoolers, and his unquestioning apathy towards the program he has gotten himself into seems most striking to me.
In general this fits very much with the criticism I brought earlier: this show essentially wants to provide a high school romance type of entertainment to the viewer. The MC doesn't ask questions and doesn't fall out of line in order to keep him mingling with his peers and focus on the mostly romantic interaction between high school kids.
To me this seems like they're not making good use of the setting since the same kind of story could be told - and essentially has been told - countless times before in shoujou/jousei magazines out there.
>>143945243
>knowing what a person would say based on their age
>>143944257
>But by your late 20s you should be a different person than you were in your teenage years.
Other than understanding the consequences in your actions, there really isn't much difference. You can never tell the age of your co-workers by their actions, you can only speculated by looks
>>143945372
>You see male love interests in shoujo manga who act similarly
Wait, let me get this straight, you actually think those love interests in shoujo manga, who are almost always near perfect, are realistic?
>>143945393
Are you using that picture on yourself?
>>143945477
Whether they are realistic or not is a different matter. The point is that he's essentially acting like one.
To me this seems like a waste of a good setting, because the story as it is told does not rely too much on it.
>>143945372
>his inability to deal with the problems given to high schoolers
That's more a sign that he's stupid. Getting older just means forgetting HS education, unless you're in a field that has you learn new developments and use what you were taught.
>>143945560
Agreed.
Best moments are when he adults up and scolds his highschool friends for acting their age instead of acting his age.
>>143945435
There is quite a big difference. People have read a lot more by that time, have given lots of things a bit of thought, they have seen more, etc. - certainly not just anyone, but it is at least something I would expect from someone who has graduated from university.
>>143945669
>but it is at least something I would expect from someone who has graduated from university.
I wouldn't, I've seen teens more mature than university graduates
>>143945560
How is that a different matter?
You are using characters from shoujo manga as measure sticks to determine whether the MC is acting like an adult, therefore it's logical to assume you think those characters you mentioned are realistic.
>>143945632
I don't even want to sound too negatively. I did enjoy the show. However, it bugs me that this show focusses so much on the romantic aspect, as if there were nothing else to do given the situation he's in.
>>143945822
My point is that it doesn't take the kind of background setting to tell this kind of story. Being good at helping teenagers with their romantic troubles is nothing which is particularly characteristic as being an adult.
>>143945831
Yes.
They've kinda getting back at the original premise on the chapters after the anime. But the latest chapter is back at school activities.
>>143942833
He's trying not to give away that he's an adult.
>>143945881
Then I seriously don't know what you want. If putting a 27-years-old into a high school as a high school student is not about allowing him to approach problems differently than a regular high school boy would, I don't know what else could it be.
>>143946096
As I already said: pretty much the same kinds of stories have been told without adult protagonists.
And there's the issue mentioned in >>143945831. It simply seems like there's too much focus put on high school romance - that's what the show is about. With that kind of background setting, I was expecting a bit more however.
>>143946324
You expect more, more what?
Whatever drama the MC might encounter later, you can find a teenage MC from another manga that managed to solve similar issues maturely.
>>143946570
>You expect more, more what?
More of what makes use of the setting. I'm not writing the story - it's not my job to come up with it. I'm merely criticising that all I'm seeing is the kind of high school romance drama kind of story I've seen before published in shoujo and jousei magazines. To me it seems that thus far the background setting has been mostly unnecessary. The majority of what we've seen could as well have been told with the MC being another teenager rather than an adult.
>>143946717
Isn't that the focus of ReLIFE anyway?
Get back to highschool.
You want more tension about MC not being adult enough? That's why No. 001 test subject failed on her first year to begin with.
>>143946717
Sounds like you were expecting something different rather than more or less. Like expecting a story about time travel powers from Boku Dake.
>>143946717
I'm asking you to write the story, just asking you to clarify. You said you expected more, more what? What kind of stuff were you expecting? Simply saying you expected more is hardly a valid criticism.
The setting allows for a relatively realistic MC (when compared to those unrealistically perfect MC in shoujo manga). It's an excuse to have a MC that doesn't think like a high school boy. If you think the setting allowed for more than that, you need to specify.
>>143946814
>Isn't that the focus of ReLIFE anyway?
>Get back to highschool.
To me it seems that the MC is accepting the whole thing about getting back and 'reliving' his high school life a bit too easily, given the fact that he has lots of things to worry about and lots of questions to ask I'm not seeing him ask. Being involved with that sort of shady organisation that sends people back to high school and claims to be able to wipe memories and all that. And even his high school life seems to be condensed to romance and interpersonal relationship drama - despite the fact that it was much more than that, and to many /a/nons out there it was 'anything but' that.
>>143946950
It's valid criticism in the sense that I've already told you. To me it seems all kinds of stories could have been told within that setting, yet they went for a rather 'safe' shoujo/jousei-esque high school drama that could as well have taken place in a completely normal type of high school setting without any disguised adults around.
>>143947100
>I expected more
>more what?
>all kinds of stuff
>>143947192
Did you read the whole post?
>To me it seems that the MC is accepting the whole thing about getting back and 'reliving' his high school life a bit too easily, given the fact that he has lots of things to worry about and lots of questions to ask I'm not seeing him ask. Being involved with that sort of shady organisation that sends people back to high school and claims to be able to wipe memories and all that. And even his high school life seems to be condensed to romance and interpersonal relationship drama - despite the fact that it was much more than that, and to many /a/nons out there it was 'anything but' that.
I've told you already that it's not up to me to write a story. I'm merely pointing out that the setting is not necessary for the type of story we're being presented and in that regard it feels wasted on something so generic.
>>143947100
>given the fact that he has lots of things to worry about and lots of questions to ask I'm not seeing him ask. Being involved with that sort of shady organisation that sends people back to high school and claims to be able to wipe memories and all that.
As a normal curious human being, I do think that MC is so careless about accepting the experiment from a shady organization.
But as for the story telling, if the focus shifted on that plot point, then this will become some mystery/suspense story sort of.
The story wants to focus on reliving your highschool life and somehow reviving/discovering those lost emotions, social skills, etc.
You gotta let some plot points slide or else the story will be a jumble mess.
>>143943811
Hell yeah motherfucker.
>>143935216
No anyone who knew about you during your experience in ReLife has to have their memories erased. So they'll both have their memories of each other erased. It's been stated several times in the manga as well.
>>143946717
I kinda agree with you anon, but i dont feel it as a problem. You are only looking and the setting and especting something from only that, when the real focus are the characters
>But the problems were already in another manga
Thats obvious, that are common hs problems. Kaizaki is actually more mature and talk as a adult from time to time, that another manga actually did it with a hs boy doesnt matter because there could make sense saying that is just a more mature hs boy and here because this a actual adult. You can change after 10 years but your personality is generally the same after your 18 anyway.
>But then the setting is irrelevant just make normal hs drama
The setting is there anon but just isnt as relevant, specially in this part. In the manga after the yoake falshback arc, the one making the questions is 001, and mc is the one getting the problems of him being a adult there anyway.
>>143947371
>The story wants to focus on reliving your highschool life and somehow reviving/discovering those lost emotions, social skills, etc.
I completely get that - and I'm not even saying that it handles the whole thing badly. There are much worse high school dramas out there. I'm merely pointing out that it feels to me that the setting itself is too interesting to focus on what we've seen countless times before. That in itself should not be detrimental to anyone's enjoyment of course. It can be well enjoyed for what it is. I'm only lamenting that it feels to me that it could have been more.
>>143947260
I enjoyed the story because the characters are relatively realistic and relatable, not because it's inventing a new genre.
You said you expected more, but won't tell us what. You just kept repeating that it's not your job to write the story. Then I can only say, sorry but I don't know what the fuck more you want.
>>143947405
But he also said they wouldn't try to change the test subjects' memories, because then it would nullify the experiment.
>>143947516
To further elaborate: what immediately struck me about this for example is that this is not your typical wish-fulfilment setting.
There are quite a lot of settings where the protagonist is turned young again or even gets an opportunity to travel back in time. This essentially falls into the same type of escapism which we see in the isekai setting, it is essentially about being given the opportunity to start anew, amend ones past mistakes and do things right.
This is different in the regard that it doesn't let you start anew, but you get to continue. And the protagonist is sent to third year of high school. That immediately struck me as odd. And it even made me fully realise that part of what seems appealing about the 'going back to high school' setting is less the 'going to high school' part and more the opportunity of a fresh start, as mentioned before. This setting however doesn't provide that. The prize for going to high school is a job. Overall not an appealing deal - especially given that the protagonist is under permanent supervision.
If it weren't such a buzzword by now I'd almost call it a deconstruction of this kind of wish fulfilment, but it never really went further in that direction. I had expected more of a wake-up call in regards to reminding people that high school itself is not as great as they might envision. Instead I got a regular high school drama with a hint of romance. Not the worst I've ever watched - it was quite okay. But I can't help but feel that a part of what could have been with that kind of setting was missed. Maybe the manga will go in that direction at some point.
>>143947634
Refer to >>143947842.
Also, I don't think the characters are that realistic either. It just has more of a shoujo or jousei-ish twist, that is naturally more grounded in reality. But not necessarily that realistic either.
>>143947842
>I had expected more of a wake-up call in regards to reminding people that high school itself is not as great as they might envision.
What gave you the impression it might ever do this?
>>143947782
If they do it after the experiment ends then doesnt matter. And the problem is that the doctors actually dont know if they are going to forgot each other because is first time that they have 2 subject knowing each other.
No, we dont know a shit about the method, but it seems that is kinda automatic.
>>143947979
I think I elaborated on that. The way the setting is set up in contrast to your regular kind of wish fulfilment that lets you start anew. Not to mention the shady organisation behind the whole thing.
>>143947842
>This setting however doesn't provide that.
Why? It is a fresh start for both the test subject.
Pretty apparent for No. 001 since she greatly lacks social skills. She even started to gooagle her relationship problems, which she doesn't in the past(I suppose).
The part
>The prize for going to high school is a job.
was only stated by MC again and again so that he can focus on making the experiment successful and not interfering with his classmates highschool lives too much. It's only his "mantra", but we know what he actually do. Help his classmates in trouble. Even No. 001.
>>143948219
To be fair, the price is the job but the point of the experiment is getting both subjects recover of the problems they have using the hs environment.
>>143948219
>Why? It is a fresh start for both the test subject.
Not entirely. They're living the same lives, and their current lives are going to continue afterwards.
It is more a kind of therapy than it is a wish-fulfilment like in the other settings I've mentioned before, e.g. like where time travel is involved, or like in isekai.
>The part
>The prize for going to high school is a job.
>was only stated by MC again and again so that he can focus on making the experiment successful and not interfering with his classmates highschool lives too much.
The point is that being given a job is supposed to be the reward for going through all that trouble.
New chapter tl when?
>>143947842
>I had expected more of a wake-up call in regards to reminding people that high school itself is not as great as they might envision.
What kind of shit HS did you go to, why does experiencing a normal school life mean wish fulfillment?
What's your idea of realistic? It sounds to me that you just want characters to be unhappy because you don't like HS, and if they stay unhappy, you would find it realistic.
>>143949028
>What kind of shit HS did you go to, why does experiencing a normal school life mean wish fulfillment?
I've already told you that the wish-fulfilment part about going back to high school is less about going back to high school and more about the fresh start aspect. Having to go back to high school for a year - let alone third year in a Japanese high school - is anything but wish fulfilment since it doesn't come with a fresh start in this kind of setting. It's closer to being a kind of therapy in here, since his old life continues afterwards.
>It sounds to me that you just want characters to be unhappy because you don't like HS, and if they stay unhappy, you would find it realistic.
It sounds to me like you're misinterpreting what I've written.
Is from a manga or ln?
>>143949193 continued
To answer that question:
>What's your idea of realistic?
High school is more than just romance and friendship. As I said - to lots of people it is anything but romance and friendship. Making it focus on exactly that portrays it more idealistic than realistic.
But this is less about realism, it is more about the premise offering something other than wish-fulfilment, in fact, almost presenting a deconstruction of it as I elaborated previously.
>>143928801
Haven't read the manga yet so I don't know if it makes it worth it, but at least for the anime, I believe the ending would have left a stronger impression without the reveal.
Like, he stayed the course and decided that she shouldn't have a huge gap in her memories because of time spent dating, and that's great, but then they show us that it wouldn't have happened anyway and the decision had no weight at all.
>>143949292
>As I said - to lots of people it is anything but romance and friendship.
like what? to gain knowledge, to get good grades, ???
And friendship is hardly idealistic, especially for someone like MC. If Hishiro was MC, you would have a point, and in her case, she couldn't make a single friend.
>>143949720
>like what? to gain knowledge, to get good grades
For example. The point is that the show disproportionately focusses on the interpersonal relationship aspect.
>???
Question marks aren't herd animals. They don't like company.
>And friendship is hardly idealistic, especially for someone like MC.
The focus on these aspects is an idealistic portrayal.
In any case, I think you should reconsider what you're trying to say because your posts have lost their coherence. All that I have to say is what I said in >>143947842. You should read that post again and give it a bit of thought. If you have some questions in regards to that, ask them, but don't discuss pointless nonsense such as the degree of realism we're seeing there because my argument is not about that.
>>143949547
The reveal is more for "read the manga for more", in the manga the fb is when happen and is because hishiro arc was going to start with the whole memories related problems.
>>143945560
Are you fucking kidding me? We've been arguing the entire time that his behavior is realistic and believable yoy goalpost shifting faggot.
>>143949981
>For example.
For example what? The ones I just made?
> disproportionately focusses on the interpersonal relationship aspect.
I don't understand what you mean, examples please.
>The focus on these aspects is an idealistic portrayal.
I don't see why having a focus suddenly makes it idealistic as oppose to realistic
And my point about realism is based on this post >>143947890
>>143950246
No, we haven't been arguing that at all. You've been trying to make the argument about that, but I've told you repeatedly that it is not important to the argument. You merely haven't read my post attentively or you failed to understand it which is why I've told you to read it again.
>>143950473
>For example what? The ones I just made?
Yes.
>I don't understand what you mean, examples please.
That the series focusses quite a bit on the element of interpersonal relationships between high school students. High school is not just interpersonal relationship. In fact, for many it is anything but that, as I said before.
The portrayal seems fairly idealistic to me. Not what I expected from the more 'grounded' premise, that chose not to go all wish-fulfilment.
>I don't see why having a focus suddenly makes it idealistic as oppose to realistic
Because what we're seeing is idealistic. You see cute romances, you see friendship developing, etc. - these are all nice things. The not-so-nice, possibly boring, etc. aspects of high school are not given a lot of time on screen. They are referenced in the sense of the MC failing his tests (whether that even makes sense for an adult or not), but they take a minimum amount of time. It most of all focusses on the MC hanging out with friends and helping them achieve a romantically fulfilled school life.
>>143928801
idk i liked the ending
>>143928801
i liked all the characters and the great confession
>>143943234
Kazehaya is shown as Sadako sees him, perfect. But later on when they start dating they start showing his flaws and insecurities like any other teenager. This MC knows who he is and his personality isn't developing, like Kazehaya's.
>>143951328
Except that the point of Subject 002 is to fish Subject 001 out of the shit.
They chose 001 because she was a wreck, she was a total shut in and she was unable to change her personality problems. the reason 002 was chosen was because he felt shame for being a part timer but wasn't really a shut in. He also tested his awareness of his surroundings and general kindness with the wallet trick.
An chose the MC because she wanted to use her first official ReLifer to save her senpais career. This is also why she wasn't horribly upset that he got sniped out from under her since it serves the same goal.
The MC doesn't need to pass highschool to land on his feet, he already passed to a degree where he got a job strait out of school in a serious economic down turn. His main problem is a near total loss of self confidence (the fear that even if he gets a job it will be like the first place) and his serious un-treated anxiety disorder brought on by his coworkers suicide.
001 focused solely on studies, and was an abysmal failure, the point of the program isn't get your diploma, its not some super science GED course. its specifically about the interpersonal relationships and having the ReLifers Not become NEETs again.
>>143951813
I've dropped it during the second season, so I wouldn't know about what happens later. The point remains however that we've seen similar characters before who weren't adults disguised as teenagers. The fact aside that being an adult doesn't necessarily makes you an expert at dealing with teenage romances (opposed to being able to solve a simple integral, which pretty much anyone who went to university should be able to do, at least with a bit of practice).
>>143951908
>its specifically about the interpersonal relationships and having the ReLifers Not become NEETs again
That is exactly what I described earlier by saying that the setting is more akin to therapy than wish-fulfilment.
To me, the portrayal of high school seems too idealistic though. Real high school is no place for therapy.
>>143951644
For a sequelbait ending it was really good imo
>>143951913
>(opposed to being able to solve a simple integral, which pretty much anyone who went to university should be able to do, at least with a bit of practice).
People never going to drop this shit? if he never was too good in that shit, have little interest and didnt practice for years is quite obvious that he forgot how to solve that type of problem.
>>143952092
>Real high school is no place for therapy.
Thats why is still a experiment though. They choose hs because of the "life" that that envirionment has and because all the social skills you have you learned in school.
>>143952092
Hoshiro moved a lot when she was young and as a result missed out on all the Making friends and developing personal relationships that you are supposed to do in highschool.
Ultimately it was a dumb plan by Science Corp. But they invested to much and are insistent on this program. Also trying to shoehorn a legitimate market for their product other then the modeling and porn industry. Why? Fuck if I know maybe most of the funding is provided by a government grant to "Fix the NEET problem of glorious nipon."
>>143952348
>he forgot how to solve that type of problem
Merely looking it up should take a few minutes. It's not like this is rocket science. But that's besides the point here.
>Thats why is still a experiment though.
It seems to be working out well enough though - in the show at least. My point of objection is however the idealistic portrayal of school. As I said earlier, due to the premise I came to expect an image more grounded in reality that makes people realise that going back to school isn't really that great.
>>143951913
But being an adult does make you an expert in high school relationships. I don't know about you but me and every guy I know thinks back on high school and laments the fact that there were always at least a couple of girls who we could have dated. We're not alpha males either, just regular guys. I know watching an anime today is frustrating because you see a guy who's painfully dense and can't take a hint but a lot of us were like that in high school. Maybe not as extreme like in animes but a lot of us were really clueless and even with just a bit of knowledge we could have had a lot of pussy. High school relationships are simple because girls only worry about emotions, but the moment they hit their 20s it all becomes mind games and power plays which is why dating is so painful for a lot of us. So, I'm glad this MC was shown as not dense and able to pick up and solve the high school drama that surrounded him.
Would you be willing to be a test subject?
How well do you think you would do?
What, do they fuck irl?
That'd be kind of disappointing, don't you think?
They'd be a lot grosser and flabbier in person
>>143952525
I will second that watching anime had made me realize that I probably passed up some chances when I was in high school.
>>143952525
>being an adult does make you an expert in high school relationships.
I for one happen to be an adult and I'm fairly certain that I'm not an expert in high school relationships.
>dating is so painful for a lot of us
>implying I've ever dated
You're a funny guy, Anonymous.
>>143943811
Do they have an arc developing their relationship in the manga yet?
>>143952525
>But being an adult does make you an expert in high school relationships.
No, I don't think so.
>I don't know about you but me and every guy I know thinks back on high school and laments the fact that there were always at least a couple of girls who we could have dated.
That is what I said earlier about the wish fulfilment aspect of going back to high school. It's less about going to high school but more about being given the chance to redo things. That is also why this particular setting doesn't fall under wish-fulfiment since the MC isn't given the opportunity to redo things. His current life continues.
>>143943234
He has a level of maturity that others don't. Even the way he approached autismoe. May be it's too subtle for you since you can only grasp on the moments where the show's in your face with the "he's an adult" thing.
>>143952491
>Merely looking it up should take a few minutes
You arent him anon.
>As I said earlier, due to the premise I came to expect an image more grounded in reality that makes people realise that going back to school isn't really that great.
Why? is still going back to hs for therapy, why would they send them to a enviorment that would not help them in some degree?. Btw is not only that branch of the company that is doing the experiments, is just that 001 and 002 are the first 2 ones of that expecific branch, the experiment already have some failed experiments in other parts.
>>143952532
Too lazy, i would be pretty bad anyway, not hishiro level but probably would get my first friend after months and not more that 2 at the end of the year.
>>143952855
Yoake flashback is really good in that but nothing more.
>>143952532
No fucking way. I hate my job but there is no way I will be able to mingle with high school kids.
>>143952986
>why would they send them to a enviorment that would not help them in some degree?
Not on purpose - but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm not arguing within the context of the show, I'm saying that going back to high school doesn't really seem all that great to me and I'd have liked the show to emphasise that rather than idealising that time period.
>>143953103
Oh so you want Sol/(re)coming of the age story to be cynical. Goddamn you're a retarded motherfucker just shitposting for the sake of shitposting.
>>143951328
>High school is not just interpersonal relationship.
True, but if you disregard the examples I made, what's left is pretty much interpersonal relationships. And it should be clear from the beginning that MC wouldn't need to care about high school knowledge or grades, otherwise, ReLife would have made "meeting a good mark" to be one of its conditions.
>In fact, for many it is anything but that, as I said before.
You make it sound like MC became friends with the whole class when he only befriended 2 people, the few that actually care about interpersonal relationships
>>143953303
I can only point you to >>143947842 where I clearly elaborated my position. The story doesn't provide that much of a wish fulfilment setting, so based on that premise it's not out of place to expect something a bit more grounded in reality rather than something that idealises high school. If you fail to understand that kind of reasoning, then I can't help you.
Is the sensei gonna be important? Why did they hire Sawashiro for this role? What a waste.
>>143953374
>True, but if you disregard the examples I made
The point is that I didn't disregard the examples. I recognised them.
>it should be clear from the beginning that MC wouldn't need to care about high school knowledge or grades, otherwise, ReLife would have made "meeting a good mark" to be one of its conditions.
I'm fairly certain I pointed out already that the purpose of this whole experiment is therapy. The problem I have is the idealisation, since the premise of the setting is more grounded in reality. High school is not a shoujo manga where you have cute romances and friendships that arise from rivalry and that sort of thing.
>>143953103
So you wanted the content of the show to be an irrelevant documentary of an average HS student's life aiming for a top university just for the sake of being different, rather than actually telling a story about rebuilding MC's confidence in his interpersonal skills
>>143953547
No, I would have liked to see a portrayal of high school that makes people realise that high school wasn't really that great.
>>143943583
And as far as the other is concerned, to a test subject the other test subject is just another student. So the student's memory has to be erased.
>>143932510
>sure as hell wasn't going to change it to the dancing power ranger one
But that is the right, original version. Also the best version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sW6q2hO7HI
>>143953658
the only way high school can't be that great (normal) is if the student only cares about gaining knowledge and grades, while disregarding interpersonal relationships, or that the student is a bullied victim
And MC doesn't fit these conditions, so your desired portrayal could not happen, at all. To get what you want, the content needs to be an irrelevant documentary of an average HS student's life aiming for a top university
>>143953991
>implying high school is normally great
It's actually pretty boring - and it would be even more so to an adult who already went through this kind of shit once.
I can only repeat that the appeal of going back to school is the idea of being able to amend past mistakes. In this case however there is no amending past mistakes. He is given the great opportunity to waste a fucking year in high school. It would be nice if the show didn't provide some kind of shoujo fantasy high school with cute and nice people, and cute and nice romances and cute and nice friendship, etc. but simply what it truly is. Or are you trying to tell me that high school is like out of a shoujo manga? Because that would surprise me.
The fact that this show didn't go full wish fulfilment in the sense of providing a therapy setting clashes with their idealised portrayal of high school.
>>143953988
your link is not available here, so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsVo4LEcA4s
>>143953780
Does she want his D?
>>143954120
Oh, so that's why the original version isn't being linked. That's a shame.
>>143952983
>Even the way he approached autismoe.
Pretty much. Anyone else would have stayed away and misunderstood her - But he didn't.
>>143953378
For one, that doesn't negate my point. The premise lends itself in the typical Sol setting. It's not a wish fulfilment scenario but it's still your "everyone lived happily ever after" with positive and upbeat outlook on it. 2, it does try to say high school is not as fun as you expect it to be but in subtle manner. Like it MC doesn't outright say he hates high school but he's constantly out of his comfort zone and he's constantly getting shit on. Taking tests after tests, hurting himself physically and getting himself involved in absurd high school scenario isn't MC's image of a dream vacation. Most of it is played for laughs and humor which goes back to my previous point of this show having an upbeat view on everything. It has some dark undertones as well, like that bullying incident Hishiro talks about. 3, what sort of image of high school do you have? Because it looks like any typical high school to me. I wouldn't say it's realistic but the realistic isn't that far of a reach from what this is. Do you want characters to constantly get bullied and beaten up or teachers to be the biggest cunts ever or students to be uncooperative? Because not all High school life is as suffering as you'd imagine and this show going out of its way to portray that would betray the premise. It maybe glorifying High school lifestyle a bit but it's also giving subtle hints at what you expect from it.
>>143954114
>It's actually pretty boring -
It actually isn't, otherwise, no one would be using high school as "wish fulfillment"
>and it would be even more so to an adult who already went through this kind of shit once.
Speak for yourself
>I can only repeat that the appeal of going back to school is the idea of being able to amend past mistakes. In this case however there is no amending past mistakes. He is given the great opportunity to waste a fucking year in high school. It would be nice if the show didn't provide some kind of shoujo fantasy high school with cute and nice people, and cute and nice romances and cute and nice friendship, etc. but simply what it truly is. Or are you trying to tell me that high school is like out of a shoujo manga? Because that would surprise me.
You are sounding more and more like what I said before, you went to a shit HS and because you hated HS, you want characters to share your same experience and be unhappy, then you would find it realistic.
>>143954114
>It's actually pretty boring
The whole "hs is the best part of your life" comes from people actually wanting to go back and live again his hs years, not because they want to change something but because they were fun years. Maybe in anime tend to be too perfect but the basic idea is still there.
The whole point of choosing hs is because the neets could recover of the social problems that they have in that kind of place, and the work of the supports is help with the context and give advice from time to time so each subject could solve they problems.
>The fact that this show didn't go full wish fulfilment in the sense of providing a therapy setting clashes with their idealised portrayal of high school.
Where? because if it does the whole show would have a really serious problem of inmersion and lack credibility, thing that not happens.
>>143954475
>The premise lends itself in the typical Sol setting. It's not a wish fulfilment scenario but it's still your "everyone lived happily ever after" with positive and upbeat outlook on it.
I completely disagree there.
>what sort of image of high school do you have?
Lots of annoying people you're forced to sit in a room with. Lots of boring tasks.
>>143954569
>It actually isn't, otherwise, no one would be using high school as "wish fulfillment"
I've already elaborated earlier that going back to high school is only wish fulfilment in the context of being able to amend past mistakes. That's what makes it a wish-fulfilment fantasy. The opportunity to redo things. In this context however, the MC isn't exactly time travelling and he doesn't literally become young again either. He only has the downsides with none of the positive aspects of the opportunity of going back to high school.
>you went to a shit HS and because you hated HS, you want characters to share your same experience and be unhappy, then you would find it realistic
I went to one of the most expensive boarding schools in my country. And guess what: it was shit. High school was shit for most people I've known.
>>143954659
I think what everyone in this thread can agree with, is not everyone is as cynical as you, certainly not the author or staff of the show and thank fuck. Holy shit man, not everyone's HS was same as yours, stop projecting.
>>143936134
Doujins when?
>>143954618
>The whole "hs is the best part of your life" comes from people actually wanting to go back and live again his hs years, not because they want to change something but because they were fun years.
I absolutely don't think so. This may be an issue for normalfags, but most of the appeal in anime comes from 'reliving' that time period in order to do better than last time. Most people on /a/ didn't have fulfilled high school lives, otherwise they probably wouldn't be watching anime that present them idealised fantasies of fulfilled high school lives.
>Where? because if it does the whole show would have a really serious problem of inmersion and lack credibility, thing that not happens.
It doesn't have any worse problems than your average shoujo- or jousei high school drama. Watching anime one already expects this sort of thing. The point remains however that under the given premise there is a definitive clash.
>still talking about this show
its over guys
>>143954753
So in essence you're trying to tell me that you are a normalfag who had a fulfilled high school life?
>>143954790
>I absolutely don't think so. This may be an issue for normalfags, but most of the appeal in anime comes from 'reliving' that time period in order to do better than last time. Most people on /a/ didn't have fulfilled high school lives, otherwise they probably wouldn't be watching anime that present them idealised fantasies of fulfilled high school lives.
Ok, now you are just projecting.
>>143954796
Im just trying to keep the thread live until new chapter get translated.
>>143954938
>Ok, now you are just projecting.
And you base this on what? Your own projections?
Fact is that idealised high school life plays a big role in anime. This is undeniable. Wish fulfilment fantasies, where losers become popular among lots of girls girls, where timid and shy girls are wood by charming princes are quite common.
Who do you think this caters to?
I can only repeat: I maintain the position that what people like about high school settings is not high school itself, but a fantasy of redoing things that is tied to it.
>>143954659
>I went to one of the most expensive boarding schools in my country. And guess what: it was shit. High school was shit for most people I've known.
I feel sorry for you, and based on a difference of experience, we'll probably never come to an agreement
Like for people who enjoyed HS,
> He only has the downsides with none of the positive aspects of the opportunity of going back to high school.
This statement would be the complete opposite, I see that he has none of the downsides of needing a good grade or part time job, and has more time to enjoy a school life.
>>143955124
>I see that he has none of the downsides of needing a good grade or part time job, and has more time to enjoy a school life.
Getting good grades in high school is easy as hell. And it's not like you need a part time job as a student.
To me it seems utterly horrid. He has to go to school for a whole year - while only being paid his living expenses (talk about being underpaid), and his reward for the whole trouble is a job? That better be an exceedingly well paying job to even think for a second about torturing yourself like that.
Now, arguably high school is portrayed fairly idealistic, it's all fun and games, everyone is nice and cute, etc. - however, if it were realistic it wouldn't be a good deal at all.
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>>143955091
When did they show this and how autismal was she?
plays daddy to a bunch of high schoolers. show was awful. felt too impersonal. vapid as high school dxd
>>143955243
>My HS was sufferable
>Therefore that's what all HS are
This is your entire argument. Sorry your "best boarding school of the country" couldn't teach you that different people have different experiences in life.
>>143955037
>Fact is that idealised high school life plays a big role in anime
So what? this thing isnt a anime only thing, is a general thinking. That anime go too far with the "perfect" part is unrelated.
As i say before the thinking was born of people like his hs memories, because for them they were fun years so they want to have fun again.
>>143955243
>Getting good grades in high school is easy as hell. And it's not like you need a part time job as a student.
And you say that you arent projecting. Everyone isnt you anon, people with bad grades (even when they study) exist, people that need to work and study exist, people that like his hs years exist.
I didn't really read the synopsis too well so I thought this was gonna be more like Boku Dake in that MC just literally goes into the past and gets to relive his high school life except with 100% less dead lolis and NTR.
It kinda bugs me still. It's much better to lean on suspension of disbelief and provide this single miracle rather than have
1. An organization built on making NEETs young (what's their business model?)
2. A pill that makes a person look young (but not become young? What's the difference?)
3. A way to erase memories (so many high schoolers? how do you cover the gaps left by the missing people?)
But all in all I got some autism moe and a cute megane so the show was pretty alright. I'm at that age when I can associate more with the 27 year old than with the high schoolers now, pretty sad.
>>143955037
>is not high school itself, but a fantasy of redoing things that is tied to it.
Not him, but I'd say that's not completely true. The appeal of high school in anime is more than just fantasies of redoing, since it's about idealizing the period of life itself as better than the shittiest of adulthood and especially better than the hellish stereotypical Japanese work culture that you get as an adult. It's pretty much Japanese Peter Pan.
High school is supposed to represent a time with less adult responsibilities. In high school, you have your lifestyle structured for you with little symbolic rituals and events (class reps, test rankings, clubs, school festivals), there are lots of opportunities/excuses for "natural" social interaction, and everyone is in the same boat as you are.
>>143955425
>dxd
Kill yourself
>>143955425
>xD
Get out.
>>143955435
I said 'most expensive' not 'best'.
>>143955470
>As i say before the thinking was born of people like his hs memories, because for them they were fun years so they want to have fun again.
I very much doubt that this is the case for lots of people on /a/.
>>143955639
>I very much doubt that this is the case for lots of people on /a/.
Since when this relevant in any not shitpost-related disscussion?
>>143955477
I essentially agree there. The setting is not completely chosen out of random. But I still think that the idea of redoing things, doing better than last time plays a big part. After all: the fantasies we're presented in anime are very often far from how it actually is - even for people who did have a fulfilled high school life. It's much more 'idealised' in a sense of catering to a certain kind of nerdy taste rather than catering to what your average 'normal' person would consider a fulfilled high school life; in fact, the sorts of fantasies we often get would likely clash with those of people who actually experienced this sort of thing.
In the case of ReLife, it's much less of a wish fulfilment fantasy. The MC doesn't actually become young again. He's under permanent supervision, so even if he had the opportunity he could not get easily get romantically close to high school girls. And even if he did: after a year, the whole thing ends.
>>143955686
If you make a statement about a certain demographic ("people"), then it is not completely irrelevant how that demographic relates to the denizens of /a/.
>>143955476
>It kinda bugs me still. It's much better to lean on suspension of disbelief and provide this single miracle rather than have
I agree.
However, I'd argue that through the miracle the show would have approached wish fulfilment territory more. Overall, the setting - although it doesn't seem that believable - comes with certain constraints and limitations which, if we were talking about miracles wouldn't really apply, e.g. with the MC travelling back in time to his own high school days or something.
Part of what defines the setting is that the MCs life is not reset, but his current life continues, that he is not allowed to keep contact with the high school kids he interacts with but that they're merely a temporary aspect of his life, and that he's under permanent supervision.
As I argued earlier: the whole portrayal of high school is a bit too saccharine for my taste. It's too much like out of a shoujo manga for me. Making it a bit more dry and grounded, less idealised, wouldn't have hurt.
>>143956043
I wonder if this is the point. 'Realistic' adult world but the whole run-of-the-mill idealized anime high school.
>>143956217
I thought about this too, but what is the point then? That adult life is shit and high school was great? To me that seems an odd message.
I mean: even the most silly wish fulfilment harem settings usually acknowledge that high school is 'normally' not that great. Often enough, the MC is initially part of a group of losers that is unpopular with girls, and only through divine intervention of sorts he becomes popular.
>>143955804
Was irrelevant from the point that i used the origin of that thinking not the anime general use. Hell /a/ opinion or general life is irrelevaant in most disscussions anyway.
>>143956043
>Making it a bit more dry and grounded, less idealised, wouldn't have hurt.
Anon we already know that your hs sucked, that doesnt mean that a not perfect happy hs life is a idealised one
>>143956281
>Often enough, the MC is initially part of a group of losers that is unpopular with girls, and only through divine intervention of sorts he becomes popular.
No, that is just part of the whole underdog thing. In first place those kind of thing are unrealistic too.
>>143931005
No one knows what will actually happen. It's at least 50/50.
>>143956366
>that doesnt mean that a not perfect happy hs life is a idealised one
ReLife presents a fairly idealised version of high school.
>In first place those kind of thing are unrealistic too.
Someone being part of a group of unpopular losers is unrealistic?
>mfw all this autism is keeping these threads alive
>>143956502
>ReLife presents a fairly idealised version of high school.
Cant we agree that we arent going to agree in this part already?
>Someone being part of a group of unpopular losers is unrealistic?
In the way that is showed in anime? yeah, unless you were bullied though.
>>143956583
Im going to sleep now but i would like that the thread is still alive for the tl chapter tomorrow.
>>143956281
>That adult life is shit and high school was great?
As in >>143955477, isn't that the whole point and appeal of high school in anime?
>To me that seems an odd message.
ReLife is not a serious literary story. It's a basic what-if twist on the anime high school setting (NEET goes back to high school) aimed at an otaku audience that doesn't particularly take into account an intentional message or all of the specific implications when the idea was thought of. You're just supposed to sit back and enjoy the what if scenario.
The pill is a plot device enabler, and the corporation is there to apply a deadline to the whole concept and create a rationale for Hishiro's character as fellow ReLifer. Everything amounts to excuses for the plot for which suspension of disbelief is expected.
>>143955091
How did we go from this....
>>143956808
The existence of the whole corporation and the pill is what bothers me. It sends a message about this whole experience. The creators are left with the burden of making this message something important.
Were they to do it like >>143955476 said, they would not have this problem and this could be simple wish fulfilment without a need to deal with moral dilemmas.
But perhaps I just want to believe that real life as an adult is not pain.
>>143956691
>In the way that is showed in anime? yeah, unless you were bullied though.
I think you misunderstood what I said there. I said that plenty of otherwise idealistic high school romance anime, e.g. following a harem pattern, often recognise that high school is not 'normally' like that and usually introduce the MC as being part of a group of losers who is then elevated from his status through the plot.
>>143956808
>As in >>143955477, isn't that the whole point and appeal of high school in anime?
I don't think so. As I said earlier, plenty of high school anime are fairly aware that high school normally isn't great. The high school setting provides for certain conveniences, but I don't think it is meant to represent 'actual' high school, rather than a fantasy version of it that doesn't really exist outside of anime.
>It's a basic what-if twist on the anime high school setting (NEET goes back to high school) aimed at an otaku audience that doesn't particularly take into account an intentional message or all of the specific implications when the idea was thought of. You're just supposed to sit back and enjoy the what if scenario.
I disagree there because ReLife doesn't really have that much of a wish fulfilment setting. I don't think it tries to appeal to an otaku audience.
>>143956868
To this...
>>143957036
>often recognise that high school is not 'normally' like that and usually introduce the MC as being part of a group of losers who is then elevated from his status through the plot.
Thats not what is happening, is just playing the underdog card and helps more for the wish fulfilment part, is more cool and easy to self insert when the mc begin in a position were you can remember to be (a bad one because otaku is always scum and the lower in social status) and then go up. Is not trying to be realistic is just giving you a easy time when you try to selfinsert.
>>143957304
>Thats not what is happening
That is exactly what is happening. In making the MC a loser, the show recognises that High School may not always be that great. This is a fact.
>>143956929
Again, my hunch is that the corporation/pill are there to create a concrete deadline to organize the story and also make Hishiro possible.
The time-travel wish fulfillment route would make it much harder to explain Hishiro's presence in particular. Because in that case, the MC isn't the only one who time traveled back, which requires some bullshit magic explanation. The pill solves that at the expense of introducing all the other implications we're talking about.
>>143957036
>plenty of high school anime are fairly aware that high school normally isn't great.
Yes, but it is still idealized in comparison to adult life. To illustrate this, you could easily imagine an alternative version of ReLife where the MC stuck with the black company and remained a well-adjusted, successful adult in the eyes of society at the cost of hating his life. Then this one company with a pill approaches him, asking him if he wants a ReLife. High school provides an escape from adulthood in both cases.
Now, the inversion ReLife could have done as a few people mentioned is to make the high school experience just as shitty or even shittier than his adult life. But wouldn't you agree that would be a departure from the typical anime/manga portrayal of high school? And of course it's not what we get here.
>I don't think it tries to appeal to an otaku audience.
The main character is a NEET who goes back to high school, and I'd say that whole premise is obviously meant to appeal to an otaku audience. I mean most of the anime that /a/ discusses appeals to an otaku audience so I don't mean that as a putdown. It just seems like mistaken expectations when people expect an artistically serious thematic treatment of big ideas from this kind of genre story.
Damn, is Onoya An wearing some kind of magic lipstick? My balls can't handle it. Serious.
>>143957452
>Yes, but it is still idealized in comparison to adult life.
There are quite a few anime out there that positively display university or adult life (e.g. Moyashimon, Shirobako, New Game, Space Brothers, etc.).
>High school provides an escape from adulthood in both cases.
As I said: I don't think this is the case in ReLife. ReLife is not escapist. It would be escapist if the change were permanent. Or if he were time travelling. But that is not the case. The amount of time he spends in high school is temporary, and nobody will remember him. His prize is not an escape from adult life but a second chance at adult life.
Also, the portrayal of high school is a bit odd in the regard that the MC is not the centre of attention. It's more about the other high school kids than about him. He's lending them his hand, but he's not making new experiences on his own. Arguably this changes a bit towards the end as his feelings for Hishiro awaken, but the show focusses on a different aspect. This is also what I find odd in regards to it being aimed at otaku. He may be a NEET, but he's not really portrayed as a loser. He gives people relationship advice, he casually interacts with them, etc. - I don't think a lot of otaku can easily identify with this. He seems more like a romantic interest in shoujo manga than someone who would be the main character in male oriented romance.
>>143944274
What about this one where she's just confirmed her victory over the enemy?
>>143957740
>There are quite a few anime out there that positively display university or adult life
Yes, and that's a common type of story not just in anime.
I was trying to point out why high school seems to be much more central as a story setting in anime, which isn't necessarily contradicted by the existence of those other work/adult-focused anime.
>I don't think this is the case in ReLife.
I would agree that ReLife is less about escapism than the typical anime about high school because of its particular premise and setup. However, as I said, that setup with the corporation and pill seems more like a convenient enabler for the what-if scenario, since the audience is clearly meant to suspend disbelief. When people are unable to suspend their disbelief, the story collapses from nitpicking--see all those questions in these threads about "Why is a company with a youth pill not selling it to rich people and government intelligence agencies," etc.
Because of this, ReLife seems less escapist by coincidence as much as by design.
>The amount of time he spends in high school is temporary
Not sure if this is relevant, since aside from straight-up wish fulfillment web novels, most escapism in actual escapist stories is supposedly temporary too. Look at SAO and most isekai stories, where the goal is to come back to reality eventually because of narrative expectations. Few of these stories have the MC staying in the fantasy world forever because in a thematic sense it feels like a copout if the MC never faces the reality or the truth in the end. Look at the backlash against the Kuma Miko ending. "You must face reality" is ingrained in our expectations for a main character for any story that is not full wish fulfillment.
>>143952238
Episode 13 was a 10/10.
>>143958597
>Because of this, ReLife seems less escapist by coincidence as much as by design.
I'm not fully convinced here. We'll see how the plot further develops.
>most escapism in actual escapist stories is supposedly temporary too
There are plenty where the escapism is permanent. Also, the goal to re-enter the adult life is set in stone from the get-go here, which makes it a lot less escapist. Not to mention all the rules in regards to interaction with the other high school kids which inhibit a fully escapist experience.
![[HorribleSubs] ReLIFE - 03 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_06.14_[2016.07.09_12.47.11].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dTBT05E.jpg "[HorribleSubs] ReLIFE - 03 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_06.14_[2016.07.09_12.47.11].jpg")
Fuck this fucking piano background music shit.
>>143959778
Music was not the strong suite of this show at all.
>>143928801
There's only six relevant characters in the show despite Arata using this year to supposedly do all sorts things (mostly redo high school math) and meet all sorts of people, so the 001 reveal became pretty obvious quickly.
>>143959970
237 posts later and you are still talking about how obvious it was when the OP never claimed it to be otherwise?
the smart girl was best.
the best pairings are always the non-mc ones
![[HorribleSubs] ReLIFE - 06 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_18.27_[2016.07.09_15.51.10].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gyJAqCK.jpg "[HorribleSubs] ReLIFE - 06 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_18.27_[2016.07.09_15.51.10].jpg")
I want to kill this fucking Seiyuu.
Why can she only voice retards?
>>143959970
There are six main characters and four of them are adults.
>>143960464
Her voice is super cute.
![[HorribleSubs] ReLIFE - 12 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_09.05_[2016.07.10_13.05.22].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vc4kTAX.jpg "[HorribleSubs] ReLIFE - 12 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_09.05_[2016.07.10_13.05.22].jpg")
How fucking long is this "Hurr I can't pass the make-ups" going to be a thing?
One thing is failing the tests a couple of times because you forgot how to take the volume of a cone, another thing is repeatedly failing something which you have already completed years ago, thus making the knowledge of said topics easier to reacquire.
This is just annoying, I really wish it was just omitted.
![[HorribleSubs] ReLIFE - 06 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_09.45_[2016.07.09_15.41.51].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Kf5oKsm.jpg "[HorribleSubs] ReLIFE - 06 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_09.45_[2016.07.09_15.41.51].jpg")
>>143960761
That fucking Honda bitch, I swear, she's the most annoying VA in the industry at this point, even worse than Hanazawa.
Her voice is cancer to the ear, someone should punch her throat and end her career.
>>143960823
He's still doing make ups in the manga. It's funny because Hishiro has the suspicion that he's also an adult in the ReLife program but she can't believe an full grown man is actually that stupid.
>>143960873
Behead all who insult Hane.
>>143960959
KILL HANE
>>143960823
>which you have already completed years ago
Considering they're third years in a school explicitly said to be way above MC's level, and that he probably studied something completely unrelated to math, physics, chemistry, literature, biology or history in college, I think it's safe to assume he has never studied the specific contents of these tests in his whole life.
>>143960761
>>143960464
>>143960986
rude
>>143961001
MC should make use of all this time he spent studying and go back to the university to get some valuable degree after the program ends.
>>143961001
I myself I did next to no math at university and now I'd probably fail the courses I did in high school.
>>143960986
Those teeth. Is this an edit?
