![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_10_[FAE5B24D].mkv_snapshot_15.10_[2016.06.30_07.23.23].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tdhfXp5.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_10_[FAE5B24D].mkv_snapshot_15.10_[2016.06.30_07.23.23].jpg")
What is Mikumo's deal anyways?
>>143498123
She has been praised and coddled her whole life so she thinks she is special and above everyone else.
She is one of those retarded bitches who wouldn't last a day in the real world.
>>143498123
She's a protodeviln
>>143498123
http://www.strawpoll.me/10628229
>>143498347
>no Lady M option
ANIMA SPIRITIA
>>143498123
She's the daughter of Basara and a space whale.
>>143498123
Being Lady M is hard.
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_12_[0F7D9584].mkv_snapshot_05.11_[2016.06.30_08.06.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5JfNuwG.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_12_[0F7D9584].mkv_snapshot_05.11_[2016.06.30_08.06.54].jpg")
What did she mean by this?
>>143498123
She realizes that she is getting old and feels threatened by the young and promising new girl on the team.
Happens all the time in the entertainment industry.
>>143499329
Freyja is literally middle-aged
>>143499278
She has no real worries or problems in her life, so she tries to make some up.
>>143498123
cowtits syndrome.
Looks more like it now.
>>143499349
>decaling but not painting
Polishing a turd.
>>143499278
Mikumo is God. She created the universe through song. This put so much strain on her that she was reduced from an eternal, immaterial being to a shinpi idol.
>>143499278
Is she a Symphogear?
>>143499340
Do you also believe that your pet cat that you've had for seven years is older than you?
>>143499278
She is the protoculture
>>143499553
Yes, Chito-san is literally older than me.
>>143499590
Dangerously cheesy
Must be hard to maintain that hair.
>>143499590
BRAVO
Heinz Aimo when?
>>143498123
Protoculture. Calling it. Kawamori tested the waters with the idea in macross 30. Now he's gonna have one in a show proper
>>143499025
is lady m mikumo?
>>143499775
Probably one of the other Jenius girls like Muse or Miracle.
>>143499775
Miranda, Mirage's mom.
>>143499775
probably not
>>143499765
Elaborate.
>>143499775
Me_______
>>143499775
That's what I thought at first. Like it was just Ernest's way of referring to Mikumo.
>>143499775
It's messer in drag
>>143499775
>he didn't watch 0048
Lady M is acomputer, not a person.
>>143499349
Does it transform?
>>143499494
I really love the character designs in Delta, but Mikumo's especially.
Lady M is Gamlin.
>>143499969
It does.
SMS vs Xaos. Who would win? No NUNS support,
>>143499278
Being the lead singer of Walkure is actually putting a heavy burden on Mikumo but she's being secretive about that. Eventually she won't be able to carry on anymore and Freyja will have to carry the torch.
Lady M is actually Mikimoto.
Lady M is Arad in drag.
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_07_[9517309F].mkv_snapshot_01.27_[2016.06.25_19.45.41].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dyBSO19.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_07_[9517309F].mkv_snapshot_01.27_[2016.06.25_19.45.41].jpg")
>>143499999
>>143500000
Plus BDs subs when?
>subs delayed again this week
Not having HS kind of takes you back to the old days of fansubbing doesn't it?
>>143499349
How hard it is to apply them? Are you using stickers or water decals?
>>143499818
Macross 30 had a protoculture character that had been in cryosleep in a protoculture ruins, and was an component to their functioning. She had been altered in someway for this purpose.
Mikumo has a strange connection to protoculture stuff, seems almost to have been created to sing, doesn't appear to know what she is herself, has spoopy hair that comes alive and glows when she's singing and has a rainbow colored voice, as Freyja describes it. Singing with a fold receptor seems like a main way to interact with protoculture ruins. I just fits I think.
>>143500231
I concur
>>143499349
Not bad. The uncolored clear canopy sort of sticks out a bit though. It needs that yellowish tint
>>143499999
pics please
>>143500326
I believe this is some japanese person's assembled and painted etc plamo of the same type http://zgmfxg.web.fc2.com/MACROSS/VF31J/1/VF31J1_1.html
http://www.strawpoll.me/10628660
>>143500472
>no Axia
>>143499329
I think that's the exact opposite of what's happening
>>143500472
do it properly. 11 alternatives, or go home
>>143500472
Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night humming Ikenai Borderline. It's possibly the catchiest song I've ever heard.
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_07_[9517309F].mkv_snapshot_13.20_[2016.05.16_10.30.31].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/H15wD53.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_07_[9517309F].mkv_snapshot_13.20_[2016.05.16_10.30.31].jpg")
No mere mortal can see the world through Mikumo's eyes.
>>143500127
Well Kawamori's at AX. Might be worth it
Also I mean, come on, when they say "delayed", it's just like it will come out early on Monday than on the same day. I know it's been a long time since HS took over the fansubbing scene but it's really not that long
>>143500511
Axia is the song of death, those are songs of life.
>>143498123
Why is her hair like an octopus?
>>143500721
Why is Freyja's hair like a laser gun?
>>143500231
She a key that will activate the Brisingr cluster mechanism and open the gate to another galaxy
>>143500790
What if we cut it off?
>>143500946
It becomes a funnel
>Mylene shows up
>Guvava is some wise old shit with grey hair
>>143500790
Rune PikaMeme
>playing BASARA in Wings
>be pacifist and just practice maneuvering and evasion
>still get to the top by collecting powerups
>faggots that try to kill me get killed by wayward missiles and bombs
>Angel Voice plays in the background
>>143500000
>galaxy wide PMC with a fleet of fucking Macross Quarters and armed with top of the line grunts with motherfucking Isamu flying for them
>PMC who we know only operates in a remote cluster, armed with top of the line grunts and have one single ship(Even if its a Macross) as far as we know
Its pretty clear.
>>143500602
i agree
>>143500790
Who's waiting for the last episode when she really does shoot a Rune Pika Beam Basara style out of her hair?
>>143501855
Anime of the decade if that happens
does Delta have the potential to be the best of the series?
http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/218706/
Looks nice.
>>143498123
She is a social construction
>>143500946
It would be extremely painful
>>143500790
Because RUNE PIKA BEAAAAMU!
>>143502217
She's a Hoina girl.
Leaked album DDL?
>>143500790
Anyone have that image where she causes the huge hole in Windermere?
>>143500790
Here comes that rune
>>143502054
Is it a whole second kit or a pack you can install on the existing kit?
>>143502786
Ohshit waddup
>>143501669
I thought NUNS owned those Macrosses.
>>143502001
No. 7 already exists
>>143501855
>mfw Freyja uses Rune Pika Beam to shoot down SHIRO KISHI
>>143502934
They have SMS' logo on them.
Why is Mirage so useless?
>>143503014
>SHIROKISHI!
>...nani sore?
>>143503107
KYUN
Y
U
N
>Tfw you danced like a little girl to COSMIC MOVEMENT
>>143503158
KYUN
Y
U
N
>>143503169
I did the "step-stop-step-stop" thing at the beginning. No jumping on my spot, tho'.
>>143503194
Watashi no raibaru wa...SHIROKISHI!
>Not a single KIRA level meme come out of this show yet
Important poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/10629448
Is ReiRei the one singing the ai mai wanai minmai in Jiritick?
>>143503367
I'll give you my important pole in a minute, buddy
>>143503365
Rune Pika Beamu? Gori Gori? Hoina?
Or you mean like having other characters in fanart doing the "KIRA"?
What is Kawamori doing in his panel at AX? I hope he talks shit about harmony gold.
>>143503433
That's one cute middle aged fish.
>>143503433
Kira was a monumental meme at the time. Fucking everywhere.
>>143503365
Nobody was as dank was Memeka
>>143503461
Danka.
>>143502761
A-anyone?
>>143503437
He's going to sing NEO STREAM and flash gang signs
>>143503367
Freyja end or no one end. Probably no one end, though.
>>143503482
DENKA?
>tfw enjoying WINGS more than Overwatch or most other games
Simple is besto
>>143502810
Definately a second kit at that price (8000 yen)
>>143503588
Freyja a cutest.
>>143501669
>PMC who we know only operates in a remote cluster
Uh no, we know the opposite. They don't call it a branch for nothing.
>>143503588
It needs a team option so we can Windermere vs Delta force
>>143503588
I can't play that game for some reason. Feels bad.
>>143503506
>Probably no one end, though.
I'm scare if it will happen. Hayate's so dense, he could talk about other girl with other girl and hug a girl by feeling nothing. When will he noticed that these two have a crushed on him?
>>143503663
Shame that you can't set up an empty room
We could do it via colors, e.g. red vs blue
>>143503700
If you fly as SHINIGAMI without Axia, you're doing it wrong.
>>143503399
It's aimai I MY ME & YOU. And it's hard to tell. But they both sing in the song fairly evenly divided
>>143501601
>>143503588
What is it? Google isn't helping
>>143503606
Actually, looking more closely, the pack will also be available sepperately for about 2400 yen.
>>143503688
That's still a happier no one end than Freyja dies/she and Mikumo ascend to a higher plane of existence/ Freyja decides that singing or helping her country is more important than love.
What's the wings.io link?
>>143503785
SHIROIKISHI with "Beginner" is the way to go
>>143504129
>Shirokishi a best even in the game
I love you, Shirokishi guy.
What do you have to do to have fun inside of Mikumo?
What does GORI GORI mean?
>>143504220
Sorry anon, it just cannot bebecause Mikumo is no fun. Pick a better girl, any girl.
>>143504220
You can't.
Only Mikumo can have fun inside of you.
>>143504251
it means Holy Moly can't you read?
>>143504251
>This pic was made since episode 5
Damn we have a long wild ride.
>>143504192
And by a huge margin. Sasuga SHIROKISHI.
>>143504129
>no other macross names
Of course you're doing well.
>>143504636
ayyyyyyyyyy
>>143498163
spoken like a true millennial.
>>143504251
Fuck yeah.
>>143504251
It means a little more than Hoina.
>>143504636
WOW
I love that tactical concerts are now officially a military tactic in macross.
Whens the next one?
Man Ranka's character arc was strange like she actually had less character at the end than when the show started
>>143504636
cute, but doesn't work with what the japanese dialouge actually was.
>>143504636
>tfw the bad end route was canon
It's strange. Mikumo has become my waifu on account of Freyja being my daughteru, and she's clearly Mikumo's daughteru too, and since I can't allow for muddled familiy relations with my daughteru, Mikumo has to be my waifu.
>>143505578
>>143505157
What do you mean? At the beginning she was a total pushover pretty much incapable of doing anything on her own, but by the end she trusts her own judgment enough to not go along with shitty Leon and achieves Minmay status.
>>143505578
>seasonal waifus
>>>/v/
>>143498123
Where is OST link? Give it to me niggers! I know one of you has it!
>>143505820
Just search it on nyaa, nigger.
>>143505820
Have you tried searching for it on basically the only major public anime torrent tracker? It's not hard, all you need to do is just to input the name of the idol group.
I loved frontier, is delta worth watching? It just seems more... Silly? Not as serious as frontier, "cute girls doing cute things" instead.
>>143504706
Reminder that the oldest millennials are in their early thirties and almost every 4chan user is a millennial.
>>143505910
>>143505933
I did. But I looked for Macross Delta. Though anons, I did type in Walkure now, but all I get are single song torrents. No compilation yet or am I looking badly?
>>143506101
Try マクロス
>>143506101
>I did type in Walkure now, but all I get are single song torrents.
Are you searching with "Audio - Losless" filter? We have only mp3 leak available.
A new day has dawned. Time to be Alto again and shoot down any worthless Bogues I find on WINGS.
>>143503984
I don't think anyone has a server for this thread.
>>143506215
>>143506125
I did not search with the filter. Found a torrent with .flac files. I don't think that's the one I want?
>>143506013
>cute girls doing cute things
it's not
>>143506013
It is more silly and it's better because of it. Frontier was a drama disguised as an anime, while Delta is much closer to capturing the true spirit of anime.
>>143506101
Walküre Attack
new episode titles
15 決別 レゾリューション
16 ためらい バースディ
17 拡散 オンステージ
18 感覚 エマージェンス
>Parting Resolution
>Hesitant Birthday
>Scattering On Stage
>Sense Emergence
>>143503663
I think there is somewhere to contact them
http://wings.io/more_info
![[Bunny_Hat]Macross_26_(CB1BA16D).mkv_snapshot_10.21_[2016.05.07_12.28.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/viHggm9.jpg "[Bunny_Hat]Macross_26_(CB1BA16D).mkv_snapshot_10.21_[2016.05.07_12.28.32].jpg")
http://wings.io/#1izs
Let's do this.
>>143506458
>Hesitant Birthday
>Freyja is acting a little bit depressed but nobody can figure out why
>Hayate gets her to come out with it when they're in private
>She admits that her birthday is coming up, but birthdays aren't really celebrated on Windermere because they remind people of their short lifespans
>Hayate realizes this means Freyja is now legal
>They have sex
>Walkure throws her a surprise party at the end of the episode
How does the homing system work anyway?
And why do I sometimes move fast while other times slow, my mouse is as far away from the plane as possible
>>143506424
Thanks anon. I managed to find it.
The feels of hearing full Axia.
>>143506458
Does anyone have the list of birthdays?
>>143506458
>Scattering On Stage
Mikumo begins to falter on the stage. Their is some sort of force beckoning her.
>Sense Emergence
Mikumo finally realizes or has some sort of idea what she is. The protoculture plot escalates, the whole story comes together, and the true form of the show takes place.
WINDNIGGER GENOCIDE SOON
>>143506723
>tfw SHIROIKISHI
>that one faggot wanna-be shiroikishi who named himself SHIROKISHI
These lag spikes are starting to piss me off
t. Alto
>>143506736
>Freyja is acting a little bit depressed but nobody can figure out why
I love when Hayate always notice what is Freyja feeling. Just like episode 5 when Hayate was annoyed by Freyja's false acting.
>>143506746
Basically you have your cursor in the guy's general direction to track them. Thrust is determined how far away your mouse is from the plane and also the little yellow dots.
Hello?
>>143504251
>You will never have the privilege of animating the most perfect being in the universe
I'm out this lag blows.
i fucking hate space battle. i miss my wind
t. SHINIGAMI
I think that since it's peak hours for wings right now, the servers will be really laggy. We should wait an hour or two before trying again. In the meantime, are there any other multiplayer plane games out there? I'm feeling War Thunder.
>>143507304
Space battles are the worst, the earth is the only place where flying is fun
t. SHIROIKISHI
>>143507064
But it is "SHIROKISHI" when it's used as an adjectival form. Like in Shirogane.
>>143498177
I fucking wish, instead the twist is going to be something far dumber.
>>143507343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNY5d0apkqo
>>143507617
Kawamori already said there won't be protodevilns in Delta.
And I think if Mikumo is protoculture (or their clone) everyone will be still OK with it.
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_07_[9517309F].mkv_snapshot_16.11_[2016.06.30_12.53.46].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wJL3sKP.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_07_[9517309F].mkv_snapshot_16.11_[2016.06.30_12.53.46].jpg")
Why do I get the feeling like Kaname had something to do with Reina and Makina overcoming their differences?
>>143507826
>robotech
>spic game
how about no
>>143508023
its a japanese multiplayer macross flight sim game
there are english and spanish translation patches
only the spanish robotech fans put vids of it on youtube for some reason
>>143508021
Did she teach them how to get along?
>>143508166
Prequel episode when?
>>143508021
Kaname must let them have hate sex.
>Hayate and Freyja
Why the fuck did she's arm in arm with him? Did Kawamori try to playing with shipperlike me?
>>143508143
Did you play it?
Axia is playing when pic related is happening.And only Axia is buffing me up gdi messer
>>143508293
yeah i have it
it uses a lot of your keyboard for the controls
you also need to land to reload your weapons
its definitely more of a simulator than an arcade game
>>143508353
Why am I stuck with all the Russians instead?
>>143508377
try this http://wings.io/#1izs
Playing this right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTXMIlleCAA
>>143508415
Damn it's hard playing pacifist in Wings, and it doesn't help that there are non-Macross fags in our link. My BASARA needs a Gamlin.
>muh pure choirboy asspussy song
>muh tainted unpure idolshit music
Oh Kawamori you card.
>>143508353
Do you get max buffs at the "SEEEETSUNA SAAAWAAAA KONO MUNE NO AKUUUSHIAAAA!"?
>>143500602
I'm more partial to Halation The War and it's like 5 tempo changes in a 5 minute song. Catchiest song I've heard from anime in quite some time
>>143508675
https://soundcloud.com/lunatic-psyker/the-warwalkure-love-halation-the-war
Stupid good. No wonder this shows music has dominated this season. This song really doesn't sound like it was composed and recorded in this decade at all either, it's just too much like....effort for post 2010 anisong.
i think i might make a translation patch of macross triangle frontier
maybe we could all play that online later with ppsspp and evolve vpn or something like that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuECM8uugIM
Suzuki Minori practicing to cover "The Song"
>>143508911
That's a clip from her audition.
Song related was playing the whole time
https://soundcloud.com/nhoc-supper/iteza-gogo-kuji-don-t-be-late
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_03_[F342ECEA].mkv_snapshot_21.05_[2016.04.22_01.26.45].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GtzzvHu.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_03_[F342ECEA].mkv_snapshot_21.05_[2016.04.22_01.26.45].jpg")
>36 kill streak
>>143509031
The princess reigns supreme.
No Bogue to bully, tho'
>>143501669
Why are you even making a comparison? Chaos is a relatively PMC and was never as militaristic as SMS as they began as a fold research information and entertainment organization. Have you been watching? Chaos also has several branches across the galaxy and their mission is very different from SMS.Also Isamu was still overshadowed by Max and Milia in the Frontier movie novelization.
Only if this is canon
>>143509213
Chaos is a relatively new PMC*
>>143509125
At the "MOTTEKE RYUUSEI CHIRASHITE DEITO" part I was getting so many kills in a row that it stopped saying double/triple/quad kill and just flash multikill at me every time I shot someone down. It happened a few seconds after this screenshot.
No Bogue tho ;_;
>>143509083
Prove it
>>143509270
>>143509249
I hope you tossed a cool salute at the "camera" at the "ITEZA GOGO KUJI DON'T BE LATE!"
>>143506328
Just type in Walkure. It' literally the first lossy file you see with like 500 seeders. Not hard to find at all.
So in your experience, which songs buff you the most in Wings?
>>143510467
nyan nyan
nyan nyan
ni hao nyan
gorgeous
delicious
deculture!
>>143506860
Arad - 01.10
Mirage - 02.11
Keith - 02.25
Ernest - 04.01
Bogue - 04.07
Makina - 04.19
Kaname - 06.08
Reina - 07.23
Chuck - 08.28
Hayate - 09.21
Freyja - 11.03
Theo - 11.21
Xao - 11.21
Messer - 12.14
Roid - 12.30
Mikumo - unknown
>>143499765
In 30, NUN was evil too.
>>143510747
>Hayate 09.21
>mfw my birthday is 09.23
So close yet so far
>>143510747
Show started on April 20, right? That means now Kaname is 23, Reina 16, Chuck 25, Hayate 18 and Freyja and the twins are turning 15 and 17 soon.
>>143510853
Honestly, he came off more as a rogue officer with a crazy agenda
So what do you anons think Episode 14 will be like since the midseason has ended? Can we expect a new OP? I have a feeling it will be another exposition and/or character development episode.
>>143511056
He was a higher up. And there was no "good NUN character" outside of Misa and Hikaru who were brought from the past. The show heroes were SMS.
Shouji-kun has a hateboner against NUN.
>>143508675
Yeah, a couple of my music major friends heard me playing it and they were amazed at how many times the song changed tempo. The work that went into the songs are great, especially when neo stream switches into a complete different song
I feel like Delta fanart has increased in the last weeks. Of course everyone was drawing MessaKana fanart after eps 9 and 10 but these past two weeks there's been more fanart for other characters and pairings too.
>>143511092
No new OP in the 14 episode. They would have announced it on their website (they can do it on Fryday with PV pics)
Post goodShiroikishifanart
>>143508765
>>143511190
I was worried over Delta's music because of how good Frontier's was but now I feel stupid for ever doubting Satelight and Flying Dog. They are really putting effort into these songs and it shows. I wonder if this is how old Macross fans who got into the series via 7 felt before Frontier started.
>>143511029
>Hayate 18 and Freyja is turning 15
If we would apply my country's law to them:
>In the beginning of the show Hayate was 17 and Freyja 14. They could have sex as much as they want since they both didn't reach legal age
>Now Hayate 18 and Freyja 15. He would go to jail if someone learned about their sexual life.
>When Hayate turns 19 and Freyja 16 they can have sex again since Freyja reaches age of consent.
I hope the world of future in Macross is not so terrible and illogical as ours. Or Hayate and Freyja can always travel to Windermere since all age restrictions are obviously lowered there.
Dear jellyfishMesser, please stop killing me
t. SHIROIKISHi
>>143511565
Jellyfish Messer will latch on Keith's cranium and take over his brain just like that bridge bunny.
>>143511862
Is this famous "stranded on island" plot?
Nips are so slow. Kaname is already irrelevant, it should be Elizabeth x Keith.
>>143511862
>>143511904
I've seen this in hundreds of shoujo.
>>143511862
>>143511904
why do i get the feeling this was made after the artist learned of the episode title of episode 14
>>143511092
episode 14 in macross f was the plot twist when grace o'connor used the dimension eater
>>143511963
That's a chinese
>>143504636
We know Sheryl woke up though. That doesn't work at all
>>143505658
>but by the end she trusts her own judgment enough to not go along with shitty Leon and achieves Minmay status.
Ranka's entire problem is that she spends like the whole show being dragged along by one hand or another. You say she doesn't go along with Leon but in exchange she goes along with Brera and arguably, this did make things worse
>>143508675
>>143508765
I remember when Delta started people fucking hated Halation The War
>>143512040
>she goes along with Brera and arguably
No, Brera was the one how went along with Ranka. He even asked her what did she want to do, he'd grant it. And he did.
>>143512067
You've just convinced me to start the album playing again.
>>143511092
No, I expect 14 to have another cold open. 15 would be the official entry in the the new anime season so it would be perfect there
>usually don't listen to a whole album at all
>if I do I get tired of it after a day or two
>been having these songs on replay since release
So this is the power of Walküre
>>143511246
It's turning out exactly like Frontier. It's too old to remember and fans coming in now don't know how it was back then but F did not start with the massive fanart juggernaut it does now at episode 1. It began to pick up steam about halfway through and then was in overdrive by episode 20
>>143511167
>Shouji-kun has a hateboner against NUN.
He just doesn't like the idea of armed military conflict in general (but he likes their toys)
>>143511862
>>143511904
STOP IT
I SAID STOP ITBut this would actually give Kaname something new in the story because I have no fucking idea what her role in the plot is going to be after this other than "reedah"
What I want from episode 14:
>5th pilot introduced so we can have 1:1 pilot/idol ration again
>Elizabeth saves Keith and they spend some time together
>finally Aerial Knight arc starts
>obviously new OP and ED
What will actually happen:
>nothing of that
>>143512284
Those first two and the last thing there is stupid
>>143512215
Yes. I've been saying so since the beginning, that F didn't really start getting fanart until the second half, and especially after ep 20. Then the series ended and it kept getting fanart. I think this is because Delta's fanbase is largely female, like Frontier's turned out to be and women usually wait until they know the characters more before they start drawing fanart. Frontier did, though, have more male artists drawing porn of Sheryl, Ranka and Klan.
I've seen that Keith's manga has received more attention this time, in part thanks to shota Bogue but also I guess because after 13 eps they are more interested in seeing how the Knights were when younger now that we know them better.
Shinpi
>>143512259
She is just an info dump lady that is made to be Walkure so that we think she is sexy/relevant.
will she beat the cock?
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=57206194
>>143512498
But she is sexy and that's always relavent
>>143512484
Why don't you make a gif and have those background colors alternate? That would make it REALLY stand out.
>>143512284
New OP is needed but the ED should never change
