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Why didn't he just show him Super Saiyan Blue? Isn't it roughly a zillion time stronger than SS3? Please don't tell me they're pulling more "Oh yeah I was saving it so I could surprise him later" bullshit.
Anon, just what the fuck do you think you're watching? It's literally Filler: The anime.
Because its fucking DBZ and it has happened a million fucking times already. You should know better.
>>143359542
It's your fault for taking this crap seriously.
>>143359542
Do you even Dragon Ball?
He is obviously trying to get a feel for how strong Trunks is. No sense in steamrolling him right away.
>>143359542
this just shows why Trunks is the smartest Z Fighter
>starts off with his strongest form right off the bat, not wasting time
>Goku dicks around, starts in base form, then goes SSJ2, then SSJ3
>still doesn't use his max form, SSB
this is going to cost him against Black and everyone knows it
>>143359542
>>143359471
use the catalog retard
>>143359748
>>143359760
>>143359748
>>143359760
It just seems so egregious here because he's not even supposed to really be fighting. It made sense with Vegeta because he knew he'd hurt his feelings. But now a friend asked him to show his true power and he straight-up lied about it.
cause he's a dumbass
>>143359910
>2 replies
>not even a question or starting a discussion
yeah no thanks bruh
>>143359841
Seconded. This guy got it.
>>143359841
>>143360301
This would make sense if they couldn't read power levels perfectly in seconds while standing still.
>>143359542
He wouldn't be able to sense SSJB's power due to God Ki.
Goku still using SSJ2 and SSJ3 as power ups is kind of stupid though, since it makes the Beerus battle (where he stayed in SSJ all the way through in spite of losing) look odd in hindsight).
>>143360436
It also fucks with the whole concept of them getting their base form stronger by training with Whis.
>>143360347
Trunks can't sense God Ki, and Goku wanted feedback
>>143359906
Preview showed that he is using SS2 against black.
>>143360636
>They instantly talk about Majin Buu
>They address how Goku was dead at Cell saga
>Trunks surprised because he doesnt know ss3
>He doesnt go into BLue God so Trunk feels his ki
Is..is Toriyama about to die? Its clearly that moment of clarity before an old man dies. He is literally remembering everything and even making sense. He wont make it past next week.
The only good thing about super are Bulma's tits.
>>143359906
trunks is bad at fighting
you should never start with your final form, you need to start slow so you can analize your enemy, then when you get a good rhythm going
you can start powrering up
just look at what happened to golden frezzie pop
>>143360347
>This would make sense if they couldn't read power levels perfectly in seconds while standing still.
Trunks can't read God ki.
>>143360852
God this is the ugliest iteration of Bulma yet. Doesn't help that the art is shit in general.
>>143360852
Remember they're sagging now.
>>143359542
>always banking on finishing a fight super quickly
>exhausting yourself on an enemy that might survive an initial brutal onslaught
>enemy goes to their final form
>JUST
>>143360892
she looks cute in a lab coat
which Bulma looks best? I liked the Namek one myself.
>>143360892
Current Bulma from the new episode was looking fine. This screenshot doesn't do her justice.
>>143359542
>>143359748
>Dragon Ball
>The father of the of the "is not even my final form/real power"
>Oh my god why are they doing this?
Are DBfags senile? I mean after all this is a really old franchise.
>>143360769
lol
Toriyama iirc said he was worried little kids would get lost because there would be a lot of time travel in this arc.
Makes me hope he did his homework
>>143361069
DB bulma, mainly the bunny and alladin ones.
>>143360981
So in the DBZ universe, if you don't have the strength to beat someone with all your might in the first few blows, and they then transform, it is more feasible that you can defeat them in their now powered-up state through... endurance?
>>143361069
All Bulma styles were great until the end of Namek.
As soon as she became a mum her design was changed to make her look old.
>>143361069
I like the ones with the side ponytail
why the fuck is the manga better than the anime
the hit vs goku fight makes so much more sense than the anime in terms of how goku had the advantage.
>>143360892
Fucking atrocious taste
If anythign it's the closest we have gotten to teen Bulma in ages
Please end yourself
>read Episode 50's preview
>even Black isn't taking his fight against Goku seriously
>>143361340
i sometimes forget how slutty young Bulma was
>>143361340
Damn, I forgot how much of a slut Bulma was in her youth. I guess that's one of the few things Chi Chi has over her.
>>143359542
It always bothered me that Goku was downright retarded, and buu couldn't even write his own name. I prefer it when the fighter type has a bit of smarts, just because it makes the tactics more varied than constant power up.
>>143360892
>not the perm
opinion discarded, nigga
best Bulma is pic related
>>143361479
>If anythign it's the closest we have gotten to teen Bulma in ages
That's because she's been an old hag for ages you idiot.
>>143361740
Chi Chi looks older than her and she's younger
>>143359906
>smartest fighter
>has to keep cheating and going back in time because his future always gets cucked
>>143359906
Max form is SSJ4, not Bluper Saiyan
>>143361801
Only because of her old lady hair style. As seen in that episode with her sleeping, when she lets her hair down she looks the same as she did when she married Goku.
And pretty much all of the Dragonball girls look way younger than they are supposed to. Burma's mom is 70 years old for fucks sake.
Can Vegeta just go SSJ3 already?
We waited for it all GT, and now it looks like we'll have to wait through all Super as well.
>>143361909
>keeps spamming non-canon terminologies
sure buddy. whatever helps you sleep at night
>DBZ already had a power creep problem
>Already had an issue of main characters have too big a power gap
>Super begins
>immediately gives them a power up that makes them a zillion times stronger
I fucking everything about Dragon Ball. I wish the series would die.
>>143361976
It's stupid, doing it it's like failing on purpose just for the looks.
>>143361965
Guess people in DB verse just get incredibly old, what with pretty advanced tech like the capsules. I mean look at Roshi and Shen, those two are 300 years old and it was only Roshi that was implied to be immortal.
>>143361976
Why would he? There is literally no point in going SS3 now that he can go Bluper Saiyan. It eats up way too much energy.
>>143359542
>Goku and Vegita no longer in their new clothing.
>Goku acting fucking impressed by SSJ2!
>Hey Trunks, look how much stronger I am as SSJ3.
Why didnt Goku just turn Blue off the fucking bat and tell Trunks "if I hit you in this state, ill kill you"
Same with Vegita, why didnt Vegita just step up and say "Trunks, you are no longer on the radar to either of us"
WHY THE FUCK IS GOKU EVEN ATTEMPTING SSJ2 AGAINST GOKU BLACK!
This is why I hate this fucking show, Whis constantly tells these two assholes "be fucking serious from the start" and they dont listen.
But whatever, Super is horse shit anyway, and you can screen cap this but you know I am right.
>Goku is dead in Trunk's time line.
>Kaio recruited him to train.
>Black is strong as all holy hell and on god levels in just his normal form.
>Demijura or whatever that fuckers name from Xenoverse time controls his ass.
>Black kills Kaio shit.
>Black goes on an rampage doing whatever asshole says.
>Demigura is trying to take out Trunks before he becomes time cop or what the fuck ever.
>OH SHIT YO WHAT UP IM GOKU BLACK NIGGA!
>>143362048
^this
Even Goku stated that doing SS3 while alive is basically pointless because it burns through your power too fast.
It really only work if you are dead, or only need to use it for like 1 minute.
Is Mirai no Toranksuru's Dabra stronger than the Cho Kazentai Seru? Would this mean that Mirai no Toranksuru is equal to or stronger than Teen Sangohan?
>Beerus threatens to destroy planet because Time Travel is a serious crime
>Black is time travelling everywhere destroying everything
>Beerus will just sit there and not say shit to him
>>143361976
He'll have to train a lot harder with Kais for 7 years while being dead in order to go SSJ3 for the first time.
>>143362128
IIRc, its been revealed that Black's time ring is a Kai item, meaning he probably has it based on godly authority.
>>143362112
back to your thread.
>>143361899
>>143362112
What fucking language are you even speaking anon?
>>143362099
Black isn't on God levels. If he was, Trunks would be dead. Black is probably on par with SSJ3.
At least until he transforms.
>>143359906
>Smartest fighter
>Only one stupid enough to try slow ass ussj.
>>143362109
>never train it
>HURR WHY AM I SO TIRED
If they actually used it, they would get used to it.
>>143362297
Black is skinny as fuck, laughed when Trunks hit him, and in the previews as Goku is transformed attacking him, Black is not transformed, smiiling, and once again laughing his ass off.
Goku naturally was to die from a heart disease, his destiny it seems was to become something amazing in the other realm. He has been dead FAR longer then what he was in the other time line.
All he did was train with the ultra top notch Kaio Shins, and remember. He did not have his power unlocked by the old Kaio shin.
Black is top tier power level garbage, who can time travel. He's hunting down Trunks because of Trunks threat to Demigura, its just Trunks is a expert at running away.
Black LAUGHS when he gets hit.
I'm just waiting for black to be like radditz or something. Think it'd be hilarious.
>>143362360
Sure, bro.
>Time to practice SSJ3
>Use it for 10 minutes
>out of stamina for the rest of the day
Great use of your time.
Why doesn't Black just shoot Goku with a laser gun when he isn't looking?
>>143359542
I just fucking wanna see #17 and #18 come to visit F.Trunks so the sick banter can start>That's a cute baby>[Grabs sword by the hilt]>Is it and android too?
>>143362528
Isn't that all they did in the hype ebola time chamber?
>>143362434
There are big hints that Black is the result of someone messing with the universes and timelines
>>143362434
Might as well hit is own wounds to increase power level or some shit.
Fucking edgelord.
Future Trunks is pretty fucked
> He's been fighting alone for these years
> Mom and Waifu dead.
> Future timeline is screwed and gods will probably stopped Trunks from using the dragon balls.
> Green Kaio and Black will probably mess the timelines.
> Future trunks will probably sacrifice himself in order to mend the timelines.
Why Future Trunks cant have nice things? Being this fucker is suffering, sadness and sorrow.
>>143361475
Well it's simple, Toyotaro with Toriyama guidance >>>>>> rushed Toei shit
>>143362697
>>143362285
He's obviously speaking weaboo. What the fuck are you doing on /a/ if you can't recognize weeb-speak?
>>143359542
It wasn't about Trunks getting how strong Goku is. It was about Goku getting to know how strong Black could be through comparison with Trunks how is roghly at the same level
Goku even said, that he starts in this case also with ssj2
There was no reason to go all out, since it was only a sparing match
>>143362619
Oh course, thats what I am talking about, Demigura or whatever, this asshole is most likley a result of some long standing horse shit caused by Trunks or the ripples his machine made or anything.
Whis also mentions how he is impressed that lower life forms managed to create something like this.
Also mentioned was how Omni King destroyed a few universes due to being a brat, what if he was just trying to stop the horse shit that is now the big bad.
ALSO FUCKING WHITE CRAZY BEERUS IS A THING!
>>143362737
At least he isn't a faggot like GT Trunks
>>143361155
>I didn't read
No, if you go balls out and wear yourself out, and it doesn't work, you're fucked
Your best bet is to only use the final form as a last resort. That's why Frieza never went 100%. He wasn't sure he could finish that quickly.
>>143362817
True. And Mai will ensure that normal timeline Trunks will at least be heterosexual
>>143362737
>implying Future Traunks won't stay in the present just to NTR GT
>>143362737
>Future Trunks is fucked.
you wanna hear what happens?
>Future Trunks time line split is going to be erased fully to solve the problem because it is a future with no use.
>Trunks isnt in the time line when it is destroyed.
>You have a option to live and make up for your sin.
>Trunks forced to become a time cop dealing with shit.
>>143362804
I seriously doubt the big bad will be Demigra, he's a videogame character so he'll stay on videogame division rather than moving to the anime division. It's like Broly appearing on Super because reasons
>B-but the earring
Kaoishins in general use earrings. Black is working for one or maybe he was even promoted to Kaoishin because reasons
>>143362850
>if you go balls out and wear yourself out, and it doesn't work, you're fucked
Isn't the entirety of Dragon Ball Z evidence that the main characters constantly fuck themselves over by not giving it their all right at the start allowing their opponents time to counter?
>>143362966
The Xenoverse guys said the Toryiama had to approve everything they did with Demigra because he had special plans for the character.
>>143363014
Not Trunks.
Freeza problem? Slice, slice, over.
Androids? Boom, explode lab (even though they survived).
Cell? Kaboom, goodbye Cell Fetus.
Majin Boo? Haha, boom headshot before he was even awake.
Trunks is the antithesis.
>>143363028
Sounds really weird to use a videogame villain on the main continuity. Toriyama seems worried of not confusing the children, what mean he doesn't want Super to only appeal to the nostalgic adult fanbase, and introducing Demigra would be super confusing
>>143362966
See thats the horse shit anon, Toryiama said he was going to bring in a favorite character FROM the Xenoverse game that fans liked, they all just went "OH ITS TRUNKS ISNT IT!"
He was bringing back a few fan favorites, and you have a skinny evil Goku, with a matching Ear ring to Demigura, and a time ring.
>>143363079
And yet he keeps getting screwed.
>Headshot Majin Buu
What?
>>143360852
Even now after all these years, she still makes my peepee tingle like when I was a kid. What gives Bulma this ability?
>>143362804
Thats a Beerus x Whis fusion.
>>143363208
>Favorite Xenoverse characters
Kai of Time?
>>143363232
He made that up. Buu is still dormant in his egg
>>143359542
why would GOku go into his ultimate form and one-shot Trunks when they're just having a friendly match to show off all they've learned since the last time they met.
>>143363232
He says he killed Debura and ...fuck..Cricket Man before Buu could revive, I assume KaioShin took the egg someplace forever out of reach.
>>143363177
The show takes place before the game, I think. So Demigra would be a new character to the show's characters, just like any other villian
>>143363348
Technically, Goku had all the time in the world for killing Black. Nobody knew Black had a magical time ring
>>143363269
wank characters aren't favorite characters anon
you should know that
>>143363463
fug
>>143361976
>Can Vegeta just go SSJ3 already?
Only reason he'd go SSJ3 would be to demonstrate the forms to the people of Planet Salad.
We settle this now
>>143363232
He killed Dabura and Babidi before they could release it. It was in the last episode.
>>143363532
Launch
>>143359542
Does anyone enjoy this unironically? Hell, even ironically desu.
>>143363634
What, how?
He was like 5 when Dabura and Babadi came to earth.
And Dabura easily would have wrecked the Androids
>>143363634
We fucking know that, we also know there was no heads hitting involved of Buu
>>143363687
Don't ask me. They told us in today's episode (we got even images of that).
>>143360347
I like how Dragonball fans don't even try to pretend there's more to a fight in this series aside from numbers.
>>143363687
Dabura and Babadi came to earth much later in this timeline.
If future Trunks' timeline went like the normal one, they would have arrived while the Androids were still fucking up the planet before Trunks came back in time in the first place, which we know didn't happen.
>>143363704
Headshotting** fuck auto correct
>>143359542
I don't know about all that, butVegeta is undefeated against Goku.
>>143363810
That's cuz Goku had to pretend he can't go SS3 to not hurt his feelings
>>143363687
Buu gets resurrected in the year 774 in the normal timeline.
In future Trunks timeline, Gohan dies in the year 780, and Trunks goes back in time for the first time in 784.
Obviously, Dabura and Babadi came to Future Trunk's world much later then they did in the current timeline
>>143361340
What a fucking slut.
>yfw when Goku black is Goku resurrected with the Black Star Dragon balls, then controlled by Baby
>>143363687
The only strong person in FT timeline at that point would be Gohan, since the androids' energy is not the same as ki.
Babidi probably thought it wouldn't be worth and went to other planets before.
>>143363810
You don't understand the point is that Vegeta loses against Goku because he can defeat the enemies Vegeta couldn't. This is even more annoying for him I think.
>>143363920
I'd stop watching
>>143360892
>Ugliest Bulma
>Not Bulma with the politician hair from the last chapters of the series/GT
She looks cute in future Trunks timeline, wrinkles and all. But at the end of Z, her hair is just so ugly.
>>143363856
>it is true
I wasn't asking.
>>143363929
>the point
There is no higher point than what was noted. Vegeta has always beaten Goku in their fights. Just how it is. AT wills it.
>>143361976
Its been stated in both series that Vegeta is as strong as SSJ3 wthout transforming.
They said it when he fought Beerus at the party in Super, and in GT Goku had to go SSJ3 to match his power when he was possessed by Baby
>>143361494
Goku hasn't even used this blue form yet. Neither of them are serious.
>>143362112
>Toranksuru
KYS
>>143359542
Was anyone else expecting Trunks to go Mystic to combat Goku's SS3? I thought that would've been rad.
>There are people RIGHT NOW in this thread who don't know how the 4 timelines shit works in Dragonball
>>143364540
ffs you don't "go" Mystic
why is his hair blue?
>>143364630
Retcon
Why don't they give Trunks a bluper saiyan upgrade?
>>143364552
It's actually 5 dipshit
Female saiyans when? Future Pan when?
>>143364662
Pretty sure that just takes a lot of training and shit, does gohan even have it yet?
>>143364565
he's the best character and he knows it
>>143364586
well Trunks did train with the kais before fighting Dabura.
>>143364586
Whatever. You lose the blond hair and it gets a bit spikier. There's a way to show him using it and make it obvious.
>>143362737
This is the story of how Xenosaga Trunks becomes a time-patrol agent.
He has nothing left to go back to anymore.
>>143364690
>Future Pan
But, Future Gohan (the one-armed, cool dude who trained Future Trunks) was killed and we don't even know if he met Future Videl.
>>143364670
No, its 4.
1. Is the current timeline.
2. Is the Future Trunk timeline.
3. Is Cell's timeline were Future Trunks never went back in time for the second time to help fight the androids, and thus never got the power boost needed to kill Cell like he did in the Future trunks timeline.
4. Is the timeline where Future Trunk went back in time once, but never went back in time again since he was killed. This timeline presumably went something like the 1 timeline except for Trunk's absence during the cell games, and probably was basically the same through the Buu, Beerus, and Revival of F arcs, but never had the Goku Black shit happen since Trunks wasn't alive in Future 3 to draw black to earth.
>>143364801
He trained with Kaioshin, he didn't train with the Old Kai.
>>143364302
>I don't understand what SSJ actually does.
>>143364898
Then explain it.
>inb4 muh 50%
>>143364943
don't bring numbers into this
>>143359542
That's what you should expect from pure-blooded saiyans they're retards. It's about as stupid as Vegeta's faggot ass bitching about Future Trunks running away after his world got destroyed, waifu died and mom got merked.
after black and goku's battle "somehow" mirai Trunks and faggot gohan are gonna do the fusion.
How the fuck are they gonna suppose to win if both (specially gohan) are weaker than their fathers!?
>>143364700
All they had to do for Goku to go SSG was hold hands
>>143364878
You're forgetting the GT timeline. That makes 5
>>143364993
The title implies they meet, it says nothing about anything else.
>>143365061
GT isn't canon though
>>143361720
This started my fetish for girls wearing this combination
>>143365061
Obvious troll here. I was expecting this to come up from an avatar fag.
>>143364993
I don't know what you are trying to say. Is "mirai" slang for fuckboi or something?
>>143365061
Thats like saying theres 6 timelines, one in which all the movies happened.
There isn't, because the movies aren't canon
>>143364943
>As strong as SSJ3
>Doesn't stay who in SSJ3
wew lad
>>143359542
He was going step by step to help trunks show black's power clearly, there was no reason to go blue, although goku in his base form could have probably taken future trunks
>>143361965
Which pic anon? Post that chichi pic you mentioned
>>143365053
god ain't the same as blue man, vegeta achieved god ki with only the help of Whis
So, how many arcs until he trains Goku?
>>143361909
One, non-canon. Two, SSJB > SSJ4 in terms of powerlevel.
>>143365181
He could make Goku the strongest if he wanted. your idea is dumb.
It's been a while... I don't remember the names, and i pretty much only read the original series, but this is what i can remember of Goku's abilities:
Rudimentary reading and writing,
Vehicle driving,
Martial arts,
Extreme hardyness (should have died as a kid many times)
Flying,
Instant teleportation (short range, point),
Instant teleporation (long range, person),
Energy Blasts,
Doubling Fighting Power for up to.. 20 times?
Super Sayajin,
And i think the original series left of there, but basically you just have SSJ1,2,3 and now red and blue as well? Has he learned anything else? As far as I can remember his normal fighting power was capped 60 000 or something, and he had reached his full potential.
>>143365236
>and he had reached his full potential.
Vageta says before the whole U6 vs U7 shit that they have basically reached the max in terms of their possible strength, making Goku's idea of training in the hyperbolic time chamber rather pointless(though he still does it anyways)
>>143365074
GT is more canon than super
>>143365095
Fag
>>143365111
Except the movies directly contradict the anime. GT has no contradictions with the DB universe. Even super is less believable, like freeza going to God level in 4 months of training with a literal who.
>>143363028
I haven't play the game, but how strong is Dermigra? SSB level?
>>143364586
Actually you do.
Elder Kai literally tells Gohan to transform. He even does have a different look to him. It's a transformation like Super Saiyan.
Is there an offical bluper saiyan multiplier?
>>143365314
>GT has no contradictions with the DB universe.
BEsides the fact that Buu was the strongest being in the unvierse, then ridlo, a fucking mook, turns out to be even stronger, whereas in super only Beerus, and Freiza, who even Toriyama had stated years ago was a bizarre mutant with unbelievable powerful are more powerful.
>>143365190
SSJB gets wrecked by Beerus still.
Xenoverse says that SSJ4 can put up a good fight
>>143365354
Not that I know of, al;l we know is hat
SS = X50
SS2 = X100
SS3 - X400
And SSB is many times more powerful then SS3.
>>143365314
GT contradicts itself nigga.
>>143365319
No. Not even close. But he can mind control people. As a fighter, is probably between SSJ2 and SSJ3
>>143365181
I thought he just had the power to completely control spacetime or whatever
>>143365458
What? He is fucking weak then. How the hell does it even make sense if he is the main villain in this arc? There is no way Toriyama is going to bring that weak ass character to become a main villain. Literally weaker than Boo
>>143365314
Leave
Like I told that random anon weeks ago
Future Trunks don't fuck around and would have killed off babidi/dabura when they arrived
or maybe that was a thread on /v/...
>>143365367
Xenoverse also implies Frieza is stronger than Omega Shenron.
Explain that.
>>143365631
Golden Freiza would be DESU.
>>143365304
Ah I also forgot:
Fusion
but after that I really don't know if he has any more abilities. Seems to me the super sayajin variations are just that, a lack of creativity.
>>143365595
Don't reply to him. All he wants is attention.
Filter his posts and move on.
Guys post that young looking chichi with her hair down that another anon said please. I am a chichi fag but hate how old looking she is now.
>>143365631
SSJ4 > Beerus > Golden Freeza > SSJB
>>143365688
>being this mad he got btfo
You're only mad because you know what I said is true. You can't deny Freeza being God level in 4 months in complete bs
>>143365591
He's more of a behind the scenes mastermind than a front lines guy.
He will just wreck shit all over time, and possess and power up dudes
>>143365693
You do understand that people age right?
>>143365367
Super Saiyan 4 is weaker than Vegito, faggot. And Vegito isn't even around these parts.
Vegito (base) = Beerus > Saiyan God (base) > SSJ3 > No one cares GT isn't canon faggot die in here
>>143365684
>Seems to me the super sayajin variations are just that, a lack of creativity.
I really dont see hwo thats a lack of creativity
You have
-Base
-SS1
-SS2
-SS3
in the original manga
Then Goku find a new base
-SSG
and then logically there would be a new SS for that new base
-SSB
thats not a lack of creativity, thats just being fucking consistent
>>143365231
>>143365561
If you guys can't see that Omni-King training Goku is inevitable then you don't know shit about DB
DB, since its inception has lived off of hyping up a super powerful mystical individual who eventually trains Goku
It happened to Roshi, Korin, Kami, King Kai, Whis, and it'll happen to Omni-King. Then they'll say there's someone even more powerful than Omni-King and so on and so forth.
>>143365814
Goku says not even fusing with vagetia would make him as strong as Beerus
Whis > Beerus > Golden Freiza(before his power starts draining) > SSB > SSG > Vegito > SS3
>>143365818
no, that's a lack of creativity ebin.
>>143365833
I'm pretty sure this is where the main story of dragon ball ends
mostly I'd imagine because toriyama wants to officially finish it before he's dead
>>143362434
Wait Demigra will appear in Super?
That means Kai of Time is canon?
>>143365833
You even watch or read super?
Omni-King wishes come to reality. He doesn't train anyone because he doesn't fight at all, he can make Goku the strongest by will.
>>143365797
No, I had no idea that anime characters age.
>>143365933
That won't stop the writers.
>>143365885
Goku said that without the context of which fusion, either temporary fusion or permanent one. And he didn't have Potara rings lying around, which heavily implies he was going to do a fusion dance. Furthermore I highly doubt Goku would have wanted to permanently fused with Vegita out of the blue unless Beerus was doing villainous things like mass murdering Earthlings.
>>143365833
Didn't happen with any of the upper kais though.
>>143365786
Why did they even say that? If it was generic and there was no time frame given it would sound heaps less bullshit.
>>143363028
It's not Demigra. Toriyama had nothing to do with him.
It's Towa and Mira that are his creations from back in Dragonball Online. In fact, Xenoverse's producer said that they weren't killed in Xenoverse due to instructions from Toriyama.
https://youtu.be/U1BpKt1U6Ps?t=15m16s
Still, considering what happened in Dragonball Minus, even if Toriyama uses them, I doubt it'll fit Xenoverse's continuity.
Just watched Ressurection of F.
Since when reviving people with the Dragon Balls had those restrictions about the body state and shit?
>>143360347
Power level doesn't correlate with skill.
>>143365978
Fusion dance fusion between Goku and Vageta never happened in any canon materials, so Goku could have had no way of knowing how strong that would make him, nor would he think of it at all.
Goku could have only been talking about the only fusion he ever had with Vegeta in canon, which was the earning one.
Also, Goku didn't WANT to fuse to beat Beerus, he was simply making a statement to himself and King Kai that he doesn't think he could beat Beerus even if he did that.
>>143366032
Since Toriyama added rules to prevent Planet Vegeta from being wished back from the dead.
>>143365669
>>143365768
Regular Frieza is implied to be stronger than Omega Shenron in Xenoverse.
>>143366032
Never. Its bullshit. When Goku got the whole blew threw him he would've revived with that too, but he didn't.
>>143361832
Fuck it we now use this word for anything.
>>143366032
since always, although they've brought back normal humans that were totally vaporized before
otherwise, it was for comedic purposes you doofus
>>143362434
>laughing his ass off
not really. he seems kinda pissed off/frustrated at the end of the preview.
>>143366032
>>143366087
>>143366099
It's actually how they worked originally. People in Dragonball and early Z often worried about the state of the bodies. There were also lines about Kami rebuilding Chaotzu's body, for example.
However, at the end of the Namek Saga, when they brought back Kuririn, they added a line about how rebuilding his body was a "freebie", and after that they ignored that rule. I guess the dragon disliked Freeza and so was stricter with the rules again.
>>143366163
He's smiling, laughing, and trembling in glee. He has a fighting boner.
Goku's about to get BLACKED.
>>143362737
not you again you piece of shit.
Plz go kill yourself
>>143366074
Super Saiyan 4 had nothing to do with Toriyama. Although Gogeta exists in the DBZ universe in the movie universe, he was still drawn by Toriyama. He has more legitimacy than anything from GT.
If Goku and Vegeta do the fusion dance in Super, it'll be Gogeta who comes out. Although he could fuck with us and bring Vegito but with huge nerfs. Actually I'm starting to like the idea of Gogeta not being canon with Vegito always being their fusion.
>>143362737
They're going to go back with him in the future and find new namek for him at the end of it all
>>143363748
The name of the show is literally arithmetics ball. It's about two binary relations: equality and total order , applied to the set of natural numbers.
>>143359542
More like is he really going to let black kick his ass in super sayisn 2 episode instead of going blue and killing him?
>>143366268
pretty sure they've established fusion dance outcomes are different than earing outcomes, earing ones are stronger, and the fusion dance gives them different outfits
>>143366268
>Super Saiyan 4 had nothing to do with Toriyama
Never said it did.
> Although Gogeta exists in the DBZ universe in the movie universe, he was still drawn by Toriyama. He has more legitimacy than anything from GT.
All of the movies are as canon as GT is, which is to say not at all.
Also, Grand Kai was designed by Toriyama, and his apperance still 100% non-canon since he never actually showed up,
>If Goku and Vegeta do the fusion dance in Super, it'll be Gogeta who comes out
Not really It could be anything.
Beyond all this however it still doesn't change the fact that Goku couldn't be talking about Gogeta since he had never done the fusion dance with Vageta before, and thus had no idea how it would turn out and what thier power level would be.
Goku could have only been talking about the only fusion he and Vageta did, which was via the earrings.
And since SSG is implied ot be stronger then that, we get what I originally said
Whis > Beerus > Golden Freiza(before his power starts draining) > SSB > SSG > Vegito > SS3
>>143360852
I guess you could say that they'resuper.
>>143366207
he looks frustrated here. literally only see him fighting ss2, so goku could easily be 'faggot i'm xamount stronger than you'.
>>143366473
Nigga is smiling, how can you not see that? That is the Goku "I'm getting excited!" smile.
>>143366473
That man looks entertained. If I had to guess what he's saying there, he's probably boasting.
>>143365108
"Future" Trunks anon
>>143366512
He is not Goku, though.
He is just Black, therefore an enemy.
>>143366473
>YOUR SUPER SAIYAN RESISTANCE ONLY MAKES MY BLACK STRONGER
>>143366473
he's hunched like he got punched in the gut
>>143359542
I read long time ago that SSJ then specially SSJ2 had emotional drawbacks that would make them fight with tunnel vision, not using their intelligence or reasoning each transformation. So each transformation would make them have less control of things in trade with power. Is this canon? If so where in the manga it's this subject discussed?
>>143366543
And yet he calls himself Son Goku.
Nigga is getting excited.
>>143366381
Actually let me revise that a bit
Whis > Goku + Vageta working together as SSB > Beerus > Golden Freiza(before his power starts draining) > SSB > SSG > Vegito > SS3
>>143366584
No, it's not canon. The idea that SSJ forms added some inherent hatred to the user was the fandom explanation for Goku never using Genki Dama in SSJ form, since his heart wasn't pure that. The issue with it all though is that it was based on the Super Android 13 movie, rather than anything from even the actual anime.
Glad Toriyama realized that Tournament arcs were the best part about the original DB and decided to make them the focus again in DBS
Hope the series ends in a universal tournament match between Goku and Vegeta
>>143366584
>>143366663
Isn't SSJ Blue a thing because it lets you fight with a calm mind?
>>143366596
>>143366581
>>143366518
>>143366512
hard to express through a single snapshot, but the actual preview shows his eyelid twitching. that's not a 'fight boner', that's frustration.
>>143361965
I mean, 18 has the advantage of being a cyborg (or did they wish her human?)
>>143366683
This, but I don't give a damn about Goku vs Vegeta.
>>143366749
all they did we remove the bomb, I think because the dragon couldn't make them human again
>>143366728
Then why is he smiling?
>>143366722
SSJB comes from a special training for improved ki control according to the enemy. It has nothing to do with calm mind, just better ki control.
>>143366787
>according to the enemy.
I meant anime. I don't know why I wrote that there.
>>143366771
The original DB was always about Goku encountering a new rival and overcoming them in a stunning tournament finale
Goku and Vegeta have NEVER managed to finish a match between each other that didn't have some bullshit involved
>>143364828
>Goku Black is future Pan
SCREENCAP THIS
>>143364878
>3. Is Cell's timeline were Future Trunks never went back in time for the second time to help fight the androids
Wrong you fucking retard there are three main timelines. If Trunks didn't go back to fight the Androids he wouldn't have had the power to beat them in his timeline, and they'd still be alive, so Cell would have no need to go back in time to absorb the androids. Cell fucking explains his own origin to Trunks which is how trunks knew Cell would come for him and was able to beat him. Technically there would be a fourth universe, but it would've played out identically to the current timeline so who cares about it.
>>143365061
Kek
Also for those saying Goku, in FT's timeline could've trained with the different Kaioshin; would he have even been able to keep his body considering he died of the heart virus?
>>143366779
because he got all dem teeth AND a toothbrush
>>143366787
>It has nothing to do with calm mind
but that's why he was able to use the kaoi-ken in a super saiyan form no?
and boom, wiki, in your face nerd
According to Goku, using Kaio-ken alongside the Super Saiyan forms would be too overwhelming on the body, due to the forms using a lot of stamina, and would most likely result in immediate death. However when Goku obtained the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan form, which required perfect innate ki control and a calm mind
>>143366837
>implying it won't be Hit
>>143366837
>Goku and Vegeta have NEVER managed to finish a match between each other that didn't have some bullshit involved
That's because they can't kill each other due to the plot
>>143366728
Assuming Black's a masochist of sorts, those types may enjoy frustration so still arousal for him.
>>143366848
>Also for those saying Goku, in FT's timeline could've trained with the different Kaioshin; would he have even been able to keep his body considering he died of the heart virus?
The requirement for keeping the body said nothing about natural deaths, just being good and heroic.
>>143366584
Not really, he only said that the transformation is triggered by strong emotions.
Also, that being in a transformed state also makes him more prone to being easily angered, annoyed and other things.
>>143366895
Isn't it canon that when they get old in the future they go into space and kill each other?
>>143364690
You already got Gine and Fasha for canon.
There is also plenty of noncanon female saiyans.
Stop asking for more, Toriyama won't deliver.
>>143366916
>HIT ME MORE DADDY
>>143366848
>Wrong you fucking retard there are three main timelines. If Trunks didn't go back to fight the Androids he wouldn't have had the power to beat them in his timeline, and they'd still be alive, so Cell would have no need to go back in time to absorb the androids.
Re-read the manga, in the Cell timeline Trunks got the shutdown device from Dr Geros blueprints and used it to shut down the androids without having to fight them.
they were destroyed afterwards.
>>143366938
where's that from?
>>143366977
The MMO
>>143366941
>you will never have a hairy smelly saiyan woman overpower you in her lust for snu snu
>>143364801
Future Trunks doesn't have hidden power like Gohan did.,
>>143367016
Really, it is too late for that now.
Toriyama didn't introduce one when he had the chance in the last tournament. We got Cabba, a bear, a Frieza clone and Coldsteel ZA WARUDO instead.
You should stick with Heroes and Xenoverse 2 for female saiyans.
>>143361976
>Can Vegeta just go SSJ3 already?
He wouldn't do that, because all his hair must point up, it's a trait of Saiyajin nobility.
>>143359542
I thought god ki was hard to sense?
How can Future Trunks even sense god ki when he didn't meet it first hand?
>>143367116
he'll probably have one appear in the next tournament arc, and it'll probably be cabba's wife/training partner
and then they'll bring back the super dragon balls as a prize, vegeta will win it, and wish back the U7 planet vegeta and saiyans, then the series ends with the U7 saiyans becoming the universe's protectors
probably doesn't even need the planet back since they can survive in space
What will be the next power up after God mode?
>>143367207
What are you talking about? When did he sense god ki in this new arc?
>>143367207
>I thought god ki was hard to sense?
impossible unless you're on their level
and what do you mean sense god ki? he just went to who they pointed to as being a god
of course this brings up the issue of Goku sensing King Kai's ki for instant transmission, but whatever, he's probably just not that strong
>>143367226
Hopefully nothing, but it'll totally be super saiyan white or something
>>143367226
option
>>143367254
I think it's just knowing where King Kai is and just locking onto Bubbles. He can only IM to his planet from Dende's house anyway.
>>143367346
>He can only IM to his planet from Dende's house anyway.
he transported cell there
>>143364586
Gohan certainly doesn't
>>143367254
King Kai is weaker than Saiyan Saga Vegeta/Nappa.
>>143367226
The REAL Super Saiyan.
>>143366654
What about SSB Vegito?
>>143367374
he would still have god ki though, so ya technically goku would have needed to lock onto bubbles or gregory
>>143367365
good point
>>143366663
So what is SSJ exactly?
>>143366722
God Ki is a way of controlling Ki like Gods do.
The average mortal uses Ki in a "mortal way". Almost like direct usage of energy to produce force (ki blasts is also force)
They build up Ki, produce energy and shoot it at the targets, or buff themselves with it and so on.
God Ki is something like coming from some crazy weird idea from Tai Chi, stillness = true strength. The idea is that they control the Ki so well it becomes still, this is why it's not detected. You are in balance with the universe so well that your strength becomes "pure" and "true" so it looks even greater and powerful.
Gods naturally know this because they are almost part of the universe itself, but they can talk with other sentient beings and look like mortal people. I always picture it as a personification of a Supernova. Ever since they showed up Beerus and talked about how they are true neutral and born for one single reason for living like destruction, I understood it would be exactly what I just mentioned.
>>143367522
>So what is SSJ exactly?
asspull to kill freezer
![[Pafu Subs] Dragon Ball Super 049 [1280x720 x264 AAC].mkv_snapshot_23.13_[2016.06.26_04.45.27].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IKzN0TQ.jpg "[Pafu Subs] Dragon Ball Super 049 [1280x720 x264 AAC].mkv snapshot 23.13 [2016.06.26 04.45.27]")
>Next episode is goku holding back and getting BLACKED the episode
Someone is gonna scream internally again
>>143367574
Actually it was based on something else.
But in terms of mechanic on the DB universe, how does it work?
>go ssj3 blue
>use kaio-ken
>eat senzu beans
guarantee win
>>143367367
kek
>>143367619
Expect someone try and stop him from getting completely blacked for a seamless transition to the "Mai feelings" episode.
Future Trunks looking at little Mai was hella creepy.
>>143367736
I hope Beerus just tells him to fuck off and he does.
>>143367574
Not really an asspull when Vegeta mentions it whe nthey're going to earth. And multiple times on Namek.
REALLY not looking forward to Trunks meeting present Gohan, he's probably far stronger than him at this point. It'd break his heart.
yup you know it , that's there archetype and they never break it. that's why I don't watch this show.
>>143367625
It makes you stronger, exactly how much stronger will vary depending on the plot. If the villain needs to be defeated, strong enough. If the villain needs to be stronger, not strong enough.
>>143367824
freezer was a thing before vegeta mentioned the ssj
toriyama came up with it because you know goku will beat freezer
>>143367845
>it'd break Trunks' heart to see his master living a happy life
Why are Gohanfags so retarded?
>>143367910
>freezer was a thing before vegeta mentioned the ssj
Not at all. Vegeta mentions SSJ when they're flying to earth.
>>143360870
>analize
Anon i cant fucking breath
jesus fucking christ toei
>>143360870
>you need to start slow so you can analize your enemy
>analize
>then when you get a good rhythm going
you can start powrering up
>ANALIZE
>>143360870
>>143368140
>tfw Trunks missed his opportunity to analize 18
>>143367873
It really is just shit all of it.
>trains for 4 months
>catches up, and beats SSB which is god level
Imagine how strong he could have gotten if he had kept training even more.
>>143368276
still cann't beat saiyans
>dead
>eat senzu beans
>dead
>eat senzu beans
unlimited ki
fuck frieza, fuck black we just want cell back
>>143368259
I'd analize 18
>>143360870
>analize
Why is future trunk wearing andoid 17's scarf ?
>>143367845
>His only father figure is alive, happy and as both arms
>But Trunks is going to be mad because he is not strong
Yea no. Trunks is not that kind of Gohanfag. He actually cares about him.
>>143368276
Goku and vegeta would have probably fused, or just worked together at that point
>>143368339
they are saving him for when dragonball seems to being forgotten again, then they will announce a Resurrection of Cell movie with Absolutely Perfect Golden God Cell somehow.
>>143368475
i think you should get your eyes checked
>>143368475
Hunter's Trophy. You keep what you kill.
>>143365955
holy shit the next level is SSW super saiyan writer
>>143368229
>Can't green text
>3DPD pic
You are not any better anon.
>>143359841
Trunks asked him to use his full power, dipshit. How is ssj3 "full power"?
>>143368646
and goku's full power would have turned him into dust
incoming suicide
>>143368646
God Ki is borrowed power
>>143362016
And we're treating this as canon?
>>143368276
SHINY
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>>143368493
I don't get why they said
>We never worked together and never will!
When they did it a lot in the Buu saga.
>>143367226
nakamah power
>>143368824
That was serious business though
>>143360870
>you need to start slow so you can analize your enemy
>>143367226
Legendary Super Saiyan :^)
>>143359542
Golden Frieze Son Goku SSB fusion vs. Saitama?
Can Toriyama hold a candle to onepunchfam
>>143368824
Saiyan pride meng, also when in the official canon anyways, have they ever teamed up against someone? like in the same fight? aside from vegito naturally but that's not them as individuals either, i can't think of one, most fights are 1v1 aside from the weaker characters needing to team up
>>143360870
>Analize
>>143368140
>I can't breath
>breath
Retards making fun of retards.
>>143368724
Vegeta managed all by himself. Just makes me think that god ki is actually justSuperconcentrated & controlled regular ki or that it was only ever really harnessed when Goku went red SSG.
So, is Goku Black some other Universe shit? because how the fuck are they gonna explain it if Goku in that time line is dead? Seeing as how the Saiyans in Universe 6 is good and their Goku is evil?
>>143368958
In the movie Vegeta just suddenly appears with Blue.
Did they ever did the SSG ritual again after the first time?
cringed at the time travel ring
Well what do you know? Trunks can solo Dabura. That's at least an achievement by itself.
>>143369016
Was he supposed to be on a level similar to Perfect Cell?
>>143368958
But to Goku it's not his real power
>>143369016
And he didn't had to run away asking for help.
Doujins of Black NTRing Goku with Chichi fucking when?
>>143369016
Barely*
Is Beerus ok with Trunks?
Do vanilla super saiyan forms even matter anymore?
>>143369016
And he could probably tie his shoes, too. This man's a fucking maverick.
>>143369016
To be fair, Dabura wasn't that much of a threat.
>>143369126
>>143369043
Dabura was outright stated to be stronger than Perfect Cell.
>>143369126
It's a pretty big achievement considering Dabura was mentioned to be around Cell's power.
It means Trunks at least got strong enough to solo Perfect/Super Perfect Cell.
>>143369159
>>143369187
Really? because I felt like they just made him a common villain in his arc. It's been awhile.
>>143362804
Play xenoverse. Then you'll understand what demigra is
>>143369101
At first they're all "Time-travel is a serious crime", but he seems humored by how Trunks is the only one who takes him seriously at the moment, as he starts groveling.
He says Trunks is pretty good after watching him fight.
Is time travel really banned with Whis and Beerus really interested in enforcing said ban or was it just a ruse to get food?
>>143360852
No, the only good thing about Super is Beerus.
>>143369361
Ruse
>>143369318
Ok, thank you.
hey guys I've been wondering, how much stronger would goku be with his tail?
I mean, in DB his tail was his weakness but with it he was much stronger, like when he broke out of that dragon's gum trap or whatever when he first went to the martial arts tournament. Gohan got his tail taken off, but I forget how he reacted, I don't think he had one strength-wise but again I don't remember
Was the tail explained or did toriyama forget about it?
>>143369361
I think time travel was also mentioned to be illegal in the Jaco manga. And since Jaco's in DBS I'm assuming it also applies here.
>>143369410
He forgot
>>143369101
Yes, nigga likes to troll, but since Trunks is treating him with the proper respect then he's willing to let shit slide
>>143369361
if they were serious about that they could have enforced the ban way back before Perfect Cell
>>143369361
Do you even need to ask? Beerus and Whis don't give a fuck if it is a crime, they just wanted food.
>>143366749
>>143366777
Of course they made her human again you retards. She has a biological child with Krillin
>>143369361
Its a real ban, Whis doesn't joke around, he even had an entire explanation about why its a problem and other shit like that.
However they're not really keen on doing their job, so whatever.
Only kami are allowed to time-travel freely, which is how this is regulated. Otherwise it'll become a mass of problems eventually.
>>143369361
Ruse since the Supreme Kai of Time herself says that something that's never been done before can't possibly be a crime
>>143369463
Also Xenoverse Trunks is allowed to time-travel since he's doing it under the jurisdiction of a kai.
>>143360436
Power levels have always been whack, but theyre completely fucking nonsensical now that Gokus base form is is SUPPOSED to be around the same ballpark as Beerus now. Ever since then, nothing about the scale has made any sense anymore.
>>143369101
Beerus is pretty okay with him.
He even praised him a bit
>>143369532
>Gokus base form is is SUPPOSED to be around the same ballpark as Beerus now.
The fuck
>>143369480
>>143369463
>>143369361
Maybe it's not a crime in a "legal" sense but it is a crime in that it's not considered an acceptable practice by the authorities, kind of like groping women on trains in Japan.
Wow people don't get it.
>Last time Trunks appeared was during Cell Saga
>They asked him how he managed
>Brings up Majin Buu
>He didn't fight Majin Buu just prevented his resurrection by defeating the weak ass babidi and dabura.
This is why Goku fought trunks in SSJ2 and powered up to SSJ3 thinking that it would be a potential match and Trunks shut that down. Yet before it can even progress Black appeared before them.
Trunks never mentioned anything about Black being a "god" so there was no point in Goku going into SSB or even bringing it up. Hell Trunks didn't even bother asking about Beerus and the shit that's happening in their timeline.
I can understand that people hate how the deliver panned out but that's just how this bs flow.
>>143362737
It's most likely the story of how he became a time cop and have the Kai of Time sits on his face every night.
>>143369558
The keyword is supposed to be.
And yet no matter how many multipliers Goku stacks on himself, for some reason he just cant ever surpass Beerus.
>>143366118
Goku had a new body created for him in the other world.
This is how it's always been if you read Pre Z you'd know
>>143369625
So they won't resurect his waifu and mom in his timeline? He'll just say fuck it and never go back to become a time lord?
>>143369625
is this made by nanatsu no taizai author?
>>143369625
>implying Kai of TIme would rest her booty on any face other than Bardock's
>>143369427
>>143369361
hit was manipulating time which was also illegal
>>143369532
>now that Gokus base form is is SUPPOSED to be around the same ballpark as Beerus now.
This is a misconception that gets thrown around, and is starting to get even worse misconstrued now.
Goku absorbed the divine power, his SSJ form is about as strong as his divine form somewhat. Not his normal base form however. He isn't Beerus level all the time, and SSJ him is Beerus x50. That's not even 1% correct.
He is not on the same level or close to the same level as Beerus however, who is roughly twice as strong as him. Although the scale seems exponential rather than Linear, so Beerus by some estimates was somewhere around 400x stronger.
>>143369546
Maybe Beerus will ask his participation in the tournament? Would be a way to keep Future Trunks around a bit longer.
>>143369702She puts a Bardock mask on Trunk,s face.
>>143369626
Were we ever told outright that SSJ was a multiplier?
Seems like there might be diminishing returns.
>>143369625
Clearly he actually ends up with Mai
>>143369625
>she'll never be canon
>all this fuss about Future Trunks
>Gohan is completely, utterly forgotten
starting to really hate all this wasted potential
>>143369729
also there is also that thing about dead parents and lover thing.
That is a temptation for Future Trunks
>>143369796
>implying this won't set up an arc where Trunks becomes a Time Warrior
>just to make up for his crime
>>143369809
Accept that he's shit. It's his fault for studying.
>>143369729
>Would be a way to keep viewers around a bit longer.
>>143369725
Theyve only said about a million times that Goku absorbed God in his base form and thats why he barely powered down at all when it wore off. Goku could never beat Beerus in his red form, sure, but it wasnt like Goku was lightyears behind.
What happened to "Goku is a 7 and Beerus is a 10 and Whis is a 15?" Remember that?
>>143369361
>Is time travel really banned with Whis and Beerus really interested in enforcing said ban or was it just a ruse to get food?
They let it pan out. The food was just an excuse. Since there is no base confirmation that Bulma creating time machines is what leads to horrible events. Which is why they said messing with time isn't that easy they can't destroy Trunks and the Time Machine simply because it appeared.
The whole point of Whis's rant was to point out that it's a crime for a reason and why Beerus on a whim thought that it might be best to blow earth the fuck up..
>>143369809
next episode is title future trunks and gohan. So we might get something
>>143369809
He's gonna have his own episode three weeks from now, and besides that Gohan doesn't want to be a powerlevelsfag as seen by him choosing his big presentation over fighting in the tournament
>>143369846
Well Xeno2 is apparently coming this year.
Making Cutie of Time appear in the anime is a way to promote the game.
Reminder that in a world where Gero wouldn't have to hide out in a cave but actually got proper support and funding Dragonball humanity could probably mass produce Perfect Cells.
>>143368958
>Vegeta managed all by himself
>implying that the 6 months of "training" he had with Whis wasn't just prostituting himself to Whis in exchange for a power boost
>>143369910
The simple fact she is on Xeno2 is a promotion.
Who is stronger Vatos?Vados?Valos? Or Whis?
post saiyan girls.
>>143370016
my dick says vados
>>143370016
Vados trained Whis, claims she's stronger, but he claims there's no way to know currently since she trained him over 1000 years ago.
>>143370031
fuck off
>>143369853
More reason for them to go that route with Future Trunks.
So, given how powerful Goku has become and will keep on becoming, and I'm sure no one doubts he'll surpass Beerus, Whis and whoever is the strongest in the Multiverse.
The question is, once he becomes the strongest, what will he do? Goku lives for the thrill of a fight. So, once he becomes the strongest being in existence, won't he become rather miserable.
Even if he go by the idea he will want to train someone to surpass him, who will that be? Gohan never liked to fight and he's more than happy being a family guy. Goten and Trunks showed they will never become too strong in the epilogue of Z. So, unless that becomes retconned, they should be out. Thus, that leaves only Ub and Pan. Now, Ub is no Saiyan, so he cannot keep growing in power forever. He'll eventually reach a limit, and considering he's Buu's reincarnation, it shouldn't be that high. Well, they can always pull a RoF and say that despite Buu being strong he never trained, thus he wasn't at his peak. But, even if we take that into consideration, Ub is still no saiyan and regardless of how powerful he can become he will eventually hit a ceiling.
So, that only leaves Pan, a second generation Saiyan.
So, I suppose Goku's best bet should be to pray so that Vegeta never gives up on trying to surpass him, so that he can always have someone stronger him to fight with. Otherwise, I suppose Goku will become rather sad once he becomes the strongest.
Mai's shit. ChiChi's shit. Goten's shit.
>>143370153
>The question is, once he becomes the strongest, what will he do?
He goes bald, then spends his time reading manga and playing video games.
>>143369753
>>143369626
The last "official" power levels we got (Daizenshuu 7) were from the end of Freeza saga with base Goku at 3,000,000 and SSJ 150,000,000, which may suggest a 50x multiplier.
But there's an infinite number of functions which would fit those numbers.
e.g. SSJ = base+147,000,000
Or after unlocking God form Goku's base is no longer the same sort of base but basically an alternative form like the Mystic thing.
Or maybe God power can't get can't get multiplied by the normal SSJ transformations.
>>143369995
>Xenoverse 2
you know, Future gohan is in this one so im really curious how they are going to handle his fight. it seems super fucked up if you have to make sure he dies
updated of this when?
>>143370153
He will go crazy, start wearing black and go on a rampage throughout space and time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeoPqWyxy2w
I guess this is relevant now
>>143370153
he won't become the strongest
super will end before the end of Z
>>143370279
apparently you can alter the timeline to save him but it has consequences
>>143369126
>>143369159
can gohan in his current state even hold his own against cell ? or dabura
>>143370412
no he's a weak cunt
sad!
>>143362850
>That's why Frieza never went 100%. He wasn't sure he could finish that quickly.
You didn't even watch DBZ did you? Its because Freiza in his base form was stronger by a good amount then most every other fucking being in universe they encountered at that time. And he didn't go 100% right away because he likes toying with people. It's no fun if he just goes final form and instantly kills everyone.
>>143370412
that guy can't even go ssj these days let alone ssj2 or mystic
>>143370388
The interview said they want to match up to the ending, not necesarrily finish there
>>143370388
So? Nothing about his PL was said by the end of Z.
For all we know he's the most powerful being in existence at that point already.
>>143370260
Toriyama doesn't know maths, and there will never be an explanation for anything, ever.
>>143360852
Her tits were drawn a lot bigger in this particular frame.
>>143362128
>Whis turned back time to stop Frieza from destroying the earth just because of 'MUH FOOD'
What a fucking hypocrite.
>>143369361
>>143369427
>>143369463
>>143369584
>>143369874
In Super's Revival of F arc when Whis turns back time to recover Earth after Frieza blows it up, Jaco tells him that time manipulation is a serious crime, and Whis apparently didn't know that. In the presence of Beerus, Jaco just gets flustered and says he'll overlook it.
So yeah, it's a crime. It's just not one that Whis and Beerus ever cared for since it's under the jurisdiction of the Galactic Patrol.
>Goku kills purple Vegeta
>Vegeta will kill Black Goku
I can see it
Ok, someone explain this shit to me.
Trunks is about equal to Goku in ssj2 right now, but he was just barely strong enough to beat Dabura? That doesn't make any sense at all, because if Trunks is somehow equal to Goku in ssj2, and Vegeta in base form dunked SSJ3 Gotenks, When did Trunk's get such a huge power up? And if he is that strong he could of easily shit on Majin Buu even if he did wake up.
>>143370581
They've said four times in Super so far that messing with time is a big problem
They said the same thing when Hit used his ability.
>>143370595
>Trunks is about equal to Goku in ssj2 right now
Says who? Goku was easily parrying his best efforts. It's not as if they fought at length.
>>143370595
filler
>>143370646
And wouldn't you know it, Jaco was the one who brought it up. It's the darndest thing.
>>143370595
Well technically Future Trunks was the fourth strongest saiyan in the cell saga.
>>143370578
Call the Galactic Patrol, he don't give a fuck.
>>143359542
>trunks goes ssj2
>hair doesn't spike up like gohans
>>143370729
1. Gohan
2. Goku
3. ???
4. Trunks
5. Vegeta
Who was #3?
>>143370260
>Final Form Cooler's power level listed at 470,000,000
pathetic
>>143370729
>
thats not much considering there..were only 4 of them at the time
although now i guess he'd be 3rd strongest
oh, loliMai's shit. Yamcha's shit. 18's shit Zandon's shit
Weren't Mai's eyes blue in the original Dragonball?
>>143370773
goku's didn't either, could be an animation oversight
>>143370657
Yes, but Trunks said Black is at least as strong as Goku in ssj3, if not stronger. Since Black is that strong Trunks must at least be close to ssj2 Goku currently or else he would just instantly die when Black hit him. And when Goku hit him seriously trunks got back up from it pretty easy.
>>143370588
>Goku kills purple Vegeta
Technically, Goku fights Purple/Goo Vegeta but Monaka is the one who kills him by accident.
Unless, you're implying that Vegeta will fight Black Goku and the Pilaf gang is the one who actually defeats him also entirely by accident.
>>143370677
Why do people call random episodes filler, I thought the manga wasn't canon.
>>143370789
>At the time of Planet Vegeta's destruction, Bardock in his base form has a power level almost reaching 10,000. When he became a Super Saiyan his power then multiplies 50 fold, thus being at around 500,000.
i think a 50x multiplier is likely what super saiyan is.
>>143370299
who has the highest kill counts?
>>143370910
also, saiyans could breathe in outer space is cannon
>>143370921
Beerus?
>>143370835
someone gotta post red haired bulma
>>143370844
That's a nice way of saying how much shit Toei is.
>>143370951
and ressurection F states that this was a smart plan by golden frieza, to blow up earth, since he can survive in space, implying that sayans can't with vegeta gone.
god the amount of contradictions in this series is mindblowing
>>143370844
ssj2 reduced into vanilla ssj with electricity. they can't keep getting away with this!!!
when is MAXIMUM is MAXIMUM yet ?
>>143370595
Toei doesn't know what consistency is, Super power levels are beyond retard. Trunks said he barely beat Dabura when all it took was one fucking ki blast.
>>143361720
...
But, Bulma's actually attractive. Sigourney Weaver was always fuck ugly, and had no ass or tits.
>>143370958Shuwas so much cuter back then.
>>143370878
>the Pilaf gang is the one who actually defeats him also entirely by accident.
More realistic than Gohan defeating him, to be honest.
>>143371032
Thank god the next episode looks 100x better and actually has the hair fixed.
>>143371120
blame toriko for that shit happens
its the thing that fucking ruined dragon ball
>>143370835
Anime-only.
In the manga(aka canon) her eyes are black and she doesn't wear makeup.
female saiyan with blue hair
is she god level ?
>>143371096
Haven't you heard? Broly is already on LSS4 now so that is old news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH8BxHvhll4
>>143371271
Thats the same damn dragon as the one from Blue Dragon.
>>143371247
She's shitty leveled
>>143370951
Did they ever do that in the original manga? I don't remember anymore.
>>143371035
Why is Vegeta surprised at Goku's power level ?
He's still stronger than him.
Goku : 8,000+
Nappa : 4,000
Vegeta : 18,000
don't reply to this post
don't reply to this one, either
>>143371427
Because everyone else on earth is a Raditz tier chump so finding someone, even if they were a saiyan who wasn't pathetic is a big shocker
>>143371427
The guy went from barely being able to beat raditz all the way to 8,000, you can't blame Vegeta for being shocked.
>>143370878
>Pilaf gang defeats Black by accident
Mai's power of love incoming
Yamcha will defeat black, trust me.
>>143371371
one panel only
>>143371487
>>143371428
what post?
>>143371427
If you stepped on a spider and you actually had to put weight on it to crush it, wouldn't you be surprised?
>>143371501
She will drain his fluids with her loli cunny.
>power of love incoming
>>143371018
>>143371427
>When Beat scans Masked Saiyan's power level in a special God Mission trailer for Dragon Ball Heroes, his power level is shown to be at least 2,822,147,055. Surprisingly, this power level surpass even Super Saiyan Gogeta, stated to have 2,500,000,000 in a V-Jump promotional image for Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 3, which also makes this the highest stated power level in the Dragon Ball franchise.
>>143370878
>The pilaf gang get the shotgun future Mai used and shoot black in the back and beat him
The shitstorm would be great.
>>143367619
Goku in Namek saga
>gets pummeled onto mountains and magma and comes out unscathed
Goku with "god ki at base"
>dies to ring laser
>gets knocked by barely hitting the side of a mountain
>>143371569
>not a handgun
What's the consensus on how the manga handled the Hit fight vs the anime's version? And which one is the 'canon' version?
I was shocked at how different the manga showed it to be. No Kaioken, actually using the red Super Saiyan God again, Hit not improving his time-skip mid-combat and sort of losing that cool 'learns as he goes' edge he had before and instead just having Super Saiyan Blue be strong enough to break through it on his own (and implying Vegeta could have as well if he didn't drain himself using it against Cabba earlier).
Thoughts?
>>143371606
maybe namek rock have different texture ? They have 3 suns over there, no night either
>>143371612
I considered it the ultimate revenge of the farmer so I'm sticking with the shotgun.
>>143371651
In terms of fanservice, pretty good. But Goku still being able to go SSG makes power levels even more confusing.
>>143371651
Didn't like how they nerfed Hit and using SSG like that is a mistake.
I prefer the anime with Kaioken.
>>143369453
Why do people who don't know shit blow misinformation out of their asses?
>>143371659
my money is on absolute shit series
>>143371120
Trunks is humble and polite. It'd be out-of-character for him to say: "yeah, Dabura was a bitch and I treat him like a bitch"
>>143371558
Who is the Masked Saiyan?
>>143371750bardock
>>143371651
Is anyone else scanlating this? I fucking hate watermarks.
>>143371781The Time-Breaker one?Can he even transform past SSJ?
>>143371651
They nerfed Hit, while it made Vegeta look stronger it also made him look dumber. Hit actually came off as a threat in the anime and the fight gave him a small amount of character development which is fucking amazing for a new character introduced a Dragon Ball Series. And it makes Goku look even stronger since he didn't need a real powerup. AND the fact that SSJB Kaio Ken actually had a long lasting affect consequences on his body was also a cool tidbit that is now lost.
>>143371651
Too short and unfinished, but then the anime was kinda dragged out.
>>143370878
>Monaka runs Black over with his delivery truck
>Black dies because he's still in his base form just like Goku dying to laser
>Monaka delivers ice cream that Mai ordered for Pilaf
I am pretty surprised that they actually remembered that the last time Trunks seen goku, he was dead and told he was never coming back.
>>143371651
In the manga version, Goku didn't absorb his divine power from SSG, and instead there as no time-limit on this transformation in the first place, so his base level never increased at all. He can become this transformation as much as he wants.
Manga and anime have been on different paths from the start.
Anime is more correct towards the movies.
>>143371651
I thought it was shit.
>Hit having to keep his hands in his pockets to hide his tells saying he's that easy to read otherwise
>Hit not really being a threat or growing stronger and becoming a stronger threat as the fight goes on
>Hit is no longer something for Goku or Vegeta to overcome in the future tournament, they're already way stronger it's just a matter of not throwing away all of your strength first
>Vegeta throwing away most of his strength for no real reason just writing him off
>>143366963
Where in the manga is this stated? Naturally I don't expect you to know exactly but where in general dies this conversation take place? I just checked my manga at the part USSJ Trunks fights Perfect Cell and there's no mention of time travel at all there so I'm not really sure where else that could take place. The only other interaction theycould have is at the Cell Games right? And I'm pretty sure they don't talk there do they?
>>143371923
I see, didn't know about that. Makes sense if his base power didn't power up, and simply makes SSB a Super Saiyan version of SSG.
>>143371923
>In the manga version, Goku didn't absorb his divine power from SSG
What's your reasoning for this? Did they outright say that he didn't absorb the god ki and I missed it or did they show in the manga him going SSB against Freeza right away instead of fighting him at base?
>>143371925
It was a lot worse than the anime version in some ways.
Hit is best as the genuine threat the anime made him out to be. In the manga he isn't shit, in order to wank Vegeta more.
>beerus looks more like a pet that Trunks was quick to kneel to Whis instead
My fucking sides.
>>143371989
Try checking when Cell appears vs Piccolo.
>there are "people" on /a/ who can't even comprehend a cartoon for preschoolers
>>143372013
>What's your reasoning for this?
Transformation never undid itself in the manga like in the movie. The transformation undoing itself is supposed to be when he realized "You're god form wore off, but you retained the power from it somewhat". He is shown to be able to transform into it again later, therefore it never wore off.
Its just another transformation he can do in the manga.
>>143372058
but we are all preschoolers here anon
>>143372076
This is bizarre.
Toriyama handles the manga, but Toriyama also handled both movies. Why would he make shit this confusingly different from one another?
>>143372150
Toriyama forgot launch existed and saiyan's had tails, the man is crazy and gives no fucks
Now that I think about it, why do Saiyans have the ability to generate God Ki in the first place?
>>143367226
Cthulhu mode
>>143372200
Have you not watched the show?
>>143372150
>Toriyama handles the manga, but Toriyama also handled both movies. Why would he make shit this confusingly different from one another?
He gives both the anime and manga a rough draft, and basically lets them both do it however they want.
He said the manga got some parts of it better at one point, but that doesn't mean the manga got it perfect. It just means he felt the manga was more in his style at times. Probably that more comedic style. That doesn't mean it was more canon, or anything like that.
They're both doing shit their own way. Its like taking a trip by boat, or taking it by plane. They're both going to the same place, but its a different experience entirely.
>>143372240
"rough draft" tends to mean "gets money for letting them put his name on it"
>>143372225
I know about the ritual, I just find it a little weird.
>>143368824
It literally took the genocide of everyone on Earth before Goku and Vegeta decided that they should work together.
It's almost like Goku is stupid. It's almost like Goku has been stupid ever since this series began thirty years ago.
>>143372309
>"rough draft" tends to mean "gets money for letting them put his name on it"
No, its pretty clear when you look at the anime that he told them basically "This should happen, and this should happen" but there's a lot of gaps within how he said it should happen, so they both keep interpreting it their own way.
He said Bear should be immune to punching, so Goku has to throw him out of the ring. Anime interpreted this as him sending the punches to another dimension, manga interpreted this as him being super rubbery so it bounces off.
He said Goku should power up to beat Hit, and overcome time-stop. Anime saw this as "Use Kaio-ken", manga saw it as "Use SSG form". Both the manga and anime are the same on some parts, its pretty clear he told them to do those parts, but everything else is completely different.
>>143369453
Cyborg 18 was always human.. with additional parts. She still has nano machines increasing her power level and such. However she was never not human either.
>>143372325
No you idiot, of course they can generate god ki, SSJ Blue lets them fight on the level of gods, and in his base form goku could take on beerus to a degree when he was in that costume
Wait was he in base form for that I can't remember
>>143366473
That man is clearly just enjoying his fight.
>>143367427
This is what I would question. Does Vegito have the ability to go SS at all? What form? Since Goku and Vegeta can both go SSB, would Vegito be capable of SSB? Because of Goku's knowledge, could he even use SSBxKaioKen?
If you assume that he could, and we assume that base Vegito is stronger than a single SS3, Vegito has the potential to absolutely smash anyone else introduced. Though to assume those things is taking an awful lot of liberties.
>>143373211
Your forgetting one thing.
Has anyone realized that Future Trunks timeline IS the normal one?
>>143373478
Not following, bro.
>>143373526
i thought the real timeline was where Future Trunks got choked by Cell?
>>143373535
Not enough Saiyans to do the ritual.
>>143373579
They're both normal timelines to be fair, except in one Trunks died and the other he didn't
>>143373601
They have 2 Trunks, now.
>>143368580
>hating the nige
>>143365591
He alters timelines and possesses people. In the game, one example has him replicate majin buu about 10 times. Imagine how the buu arc would have gone if that happened.
>>143373535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsMSiVn6vpQ
If Bardock met current Goku, would he be concerned with Goku's low intelligence?
>>143374434
Why would he? only needs to fight good, and goku's pretty smart when it comes to fighting
>>143365314
>GT has no contradictions with the DB universe.
EXCEPT FOR THE FUCKING MOVIE CHARACTERS SHOWING UP. God you're an idiot.
>>143366728
Because gokus fucking around and not takinh him seriously or he's stronger than he was supposed to be.
>>143372397
Is Toriyama sending them napkin scribbles?
How fucking lazy is he to thrown in so few details the manga/anime interpretations are so different?
>>143370921
Vegeta if you count off screen conquests in his evil planet snatching years.
>>143360436
I think he used that for old times sake and see his face at SSJ3
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