This is the best show KyoAni has made and nobody can prove me wrong.
>>143157126
I stand with you, comrade.
>>143157126
That's not how you spell Hyouka.KnK would be my favorite KyoAni series, but I felt the KnK movie was badly paced.
>>143157126
>>143157459
I like both shows equally. I prefer Chitanda personally but i like the shows the same amount
I liked this and Mirai a cute, but they'll never top the greatness that is K-On!
>>143157126
It has the sexiest and cutest imouto at least.
I just watched Chuu2Ren recently, it's not bad at all, hell it's as fun as the first season.
I guess the main reason people didn't like it is because rikka and yuuta didn't progress much but that didn't bother me much.
Haven't watched the KnK movie yet, have to admit the serious parts of that series kinda bored me though, but I'll probably get to it someday if only because I want to know what the fuck is wrong with Akkey's mum.
>>143157126
You could remove 2/3 of the characters from this show and nothing would change. It's shit.
Mirai is a best tho.
Pretty weird way of spelling euphonium
>>143157126
Strange way to spell worst.
By the end of it I wanted to punch my monitor every time the guy would yell "KURIYAMA-SAN!!"
>tfw like kyoani
>tfw those endings
every fucking time; i want to see them completely throw off the shackles and by episode 2 of their next series, MC and love interest are just having explicit, uncensored, half-of-kyoani-staff-arrested sticky vanilla sex
i'm so tired of the fucking dancing around romance subplots; between the chuunibyou can't-even-kiss-after-dating-for-a-year, the concert yuribait ensemble (featuring forced childhood friend and sensei love polyhedron!), the haruhi confess-in-a-dream-no-narrative-consequences, and the hyouka i-just-imagined-i-confessed punches in the gut, i cannot deal with it
is it like how kpop works, where fans get super mad if the women actually date or give off anything besides a tee-hee-yes-i'm-single-why-do-you-ask vibe? seems purposeful at this point.
>>143161211
Take your western degeneracy somewhere else
>>143161211
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. Chuunibyou was especially infuriating to me. They fucking had the joke yuri couple kiss for god's sake but we can't even get ONE from the main couple? Fuck you Kyonai.
>>143161255
>>143161477
>mfw all it takes for a romcom to become universally lauded is the main couple actually becoming a couple, kissing a few times, and spending all of one episode actually acting like human participants in a romance
>>143162476
There's still a load of unscanned official stuff, like the one where they're all sitting on a reddish-brown background
>>143162476
Ai is the fluffiest KyoAni!
>>143162566
>unscanned
Why is this allowed? I need it.
>>143157126
I can't, yet.
I will prove it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CJeDetA45Q
Simply because they will focused on the only thing they good at.
![[USS]_Beyond_the_Boundary_(2013)_-_06_[BD_1080p_H264_AC3]_[534F29EB].mkv_snapshot_18.30.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P7Faf5K.jpg "[USS]_Beyond_the_Boundary_(2013)_-_06_[BD_1080p_H264_AC3]_[534F29EB].mkv_snapshot_18.30.jpg")
>>143162770
![[UTW]_Kyoukai_no_Kanata_-_02_[h264-720p][154C16B3].mkv_snapshot_23.08.png](https://i.imgur.com/XUEhpgD.jpg "[UTW]_Kyoukai_no_Kanata_-_02_[h264-720p][154C16B3].mkv_snapshot_23.08.png")
Mirai means Future!
>>143161644
I know that most people don't feel that way about Toradora!, but that show touched my feelings in places that I wouldn't tell the police about
People like Kyoukai no Kanata now? About damn time.
Mirai a best
>>143165966
Mirai a bestvoice
![[UTW]_Kyoukai_no_Kanata_-_01_[h264-720p][EA7904DE].mkv_snapshot.png](https://i.imgur.com/UBRYi5m.jpg "[UTW]_Kyoukai_no_Kanata_-_01_[h264-720p][EA7904DE].mkv_snapshot.png")
>>143165966
Best at sucking dicks.
Mitsuki best girl.
Mirai a shit.
>mfw i dont have any imouto to siscom on
Both the imouto and nee-san are semen demons
>>143157126
Kyoani's same face is too strong. If you told me this was K-on, I wouldn't be able to disprove you.
tl'dr I don't even know what this is, except Samefaceani
>>143166199
Sorry about your Propagnosia anon.
>>143157126
Full Metal Panic, Lucky Star, Haruhi, Hyouka, Hibike Euphonium, Tamako Market, Chuunibyou and K-On are all better
![[OnintzaLibre] Kyoukai no Kanata Idol Saiban! - 04 - Kanbara Yayoi [BD 1080p FLAC].mkv_snapshot_03.40_[2016.02.28_22.19.47].png](https://i.imgur.com/NPGilat.jpg "[OnintzaLibre] Kyoukai no Kanata Idol Saiban! - 04 - Kanbara Yayoi [BD 1080p FLAC].mkv_snapshot_03.40_[2016.02.28_22.19.47].png")
What did she mean by this?
>>143166199
Do you happen to be mentally retarded?
>>143166199
The only genuine KyoAni sameface is just Rikka and one of Yuuta's cute sister
And I think it's probably intentional
Soon.
>>143168074
Is this the beginning of the golden age thar we're all waiting for?
>>143157126
Agree, a pity they rushed the ending.
It has good characters that underdeveloped thus making the whole thing a wasted potential.
>>143168168
third golden age
>>143157126
Agreement.
I really enjoyed it, but the best are still Hyouka and Nichijou.
>>143157126
>1D characters: the show
>idol episode.
its actually probably their worst show.
KnK is fucking shit.
Phantom World is underrated though (but not great).
>>143168573
>1D characters
>I didn't actually watch the show past the idol episode, and only watched it to shitpost: the post
Let me save you the trouble of saying "Well it was clearly shit anyways and not worth finishing anyways." because this discussion goes the same way every time. Let's skip the part where you pretend to have watched the whole thing, and then shitpost about how it didn't make sense and nothing was explained.
>>143157126
If only the series was as good as the OVA.
>>143168619
I did watch the whole thing and it didn't make sense and nothing was explained.
it's a below-average show at best, with fantastic animation.
>>143168573
>>143168733
what's it like watching anime with your eyes closed?
>>143168617
PW was garbage, mate.
>>143168846
sick argument fagtron, the show was one of their worst in recent memory.
there was a character who's entire shtick was "I'm a sis-con"
>>143168617
PW is fucking shit.
Kyoukai no Kanata is underrated though (but not great).
It was great. Characters were fantastic and interesting, and the visuals are some of my favorites in any Kyoani show.
The show was a little plot heavy, and the plot itself wasn't very good though.
>>143157126
The series had problems but the movie was fantastic.
>>143167975
Kyou in Clannad sometimes looks like Haruhi, the lonely girl looks like Mikuru, Haruhi sometimes looks like Yui, and Tamako basically has the same face as Yui but with blue eyes
>>143168074
>Soon.
I'd imagine they have like one more project in store for 2017
>>143170035
FMP of course.Robot Heart Update, realistically
>>143157126
Hyouka and Haruhi would still be higher for me.
But KnK ended well with the movie. All that other idol forced comedy bullshit in the show is shit though
>>143168262
When will they go back to the Future?
![[OnintzaLibre] Kyoukai no Kanata Mini Gekijou - 06 - Let's go on a field trip! [BD 1080p FLAC].mkv_snapshot_02.52.png](https://i.imgur.com/QMZTnAq.jpg "[OnintzaLibre] Kyoukai no Kanata Mini Gekijou - 06 - Let's go on a field trip! [BD 1080p FLAC].mkv_snapshot_02.52.png")
Mirai a best! A best!
>>143157126
That's not K-On.
>>143173037
Exactly.
![[OnintzaLibre] Kyoukai no Kanata Mini Gekijou - 06 - Let's go on a field trip! [BD 1080p FLAC].mkv_snapshot_03.22.png](https://i.imgur.com/LsWa3oQ.jpg "[OnintzaLibre] Kyoukai no Kanata Mini Gekijou - 06 - Let's go on a field trip! [BD 1080p FLAC].mkv_snapshot_03.22.png")
>>143172249
FLAT
>>143157126
Kill yourself.
Still has the best wet mop hair at least.
>>143165616
I dont care what anybody says, Taiga a cute
my favourite show by far, no joke
>>143168733
>nothing was explained.
but mostly everything could be figured out. Everything doesn't need to be spelled out for the audience you goddamn retard.
>>143168733
>nothing was explained.
That's why it was good. The show didn't hold your hand, but it left you clues.
>>143168573
Like, you're literally stupid. The entirety of the show's main plotline is never explicitly told.
Since it seems like you need things spelled out for you, I'll tell you: the romance is the main plot.
Every single major plotpoint in the show is written to develop the romance indirectly. The characters' feelings are never said out loud, but they are very well shown. If you can't see the romance plotline and the characters' implied feelings, you have no right to call the characters uni-dimensional.
>>143173232
Why is she so perfect?
>>143169359
The show was romance heavy, and the plot itself was written to develop the romance.
If you look at the Spirit Warrior Society things as the main plot, it's gonna feel lackluster because those things were never the main issue, they are just there to bring Aki and Mirai together and give them reasons to fall in love. In other words, all the action stuff is just a setting for the real story: the romance.
>there will never be another anime as good as knk
>there will never be another girl as cute as Mirai
The golden age is over
>>143182977
Megane suck. Mirai is plastic
>>143157126
It was ok. asspull at the end to bring megane back was too lame. I enjoyed it overall though, good ride.
the movie was total garbage. Eyerollingly bad. too much POWER OF LOVE and long drawn out confessions and speeches in the middle of battles.
>>143182977
>>143183039
She's perfect, you fucking mong.
>>143182977
Vioretto soon
>>143165538
Mirai means waifu <3
I didn't care for the show much cause it was a little hard to follow drunk but the idol episode was good. Maybe I'll watch the movies sometime.
>>143168733
>and nothing was explained.
>"I didn't pay attention to any exposition that wasn't done via MC's internal monolog like in a shitty LN where they plot/exposition dump everything because I only "watched" the show so I could shitpost"
Yeah, exactly like I said you would.
![[VCB-S&Liuyun]Kyokai no Kanata[12][Hi10p_1080p][BDRip][x264_flac].mkv_snapshot_15.00_[2015.10.07_16.57.38].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9O7FRaj.jpg "[VCB-S&Liuyun]Kyokai no Kanata[12][Hi10p_1080p][BDRip][x264_flac].mkv_snapshot_15.00_[2015.10.07_16.57.38].jpg")
>>143183363
Isn't ishidate on this one? Maybe it will top KnK then. Who did character design for VEG?
>>143183927
I think it will top KnK, stronger sauce material and all
Novel designs were by Akiko Takase and I think Miku Kadowaki did the ones in the CM but they were corrected by Akiko Takase? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong
>>143184184
I really hope it's Kadowaki.
Can any of you explain what you actually like about this show? As far as I'm concerned KnK is one of Kyoani's weakest projects.
>>143184404
It will be. Ishidate likes her.
>>143184525
I am pretty much convinced this is just a thread full of shit taste.
>>143184525
>Can any of you explain what you actually like about this show?
We could, but then we'll get caught in the loop of people who watched it with their eyes closed saying "But that never happened!" when in fact all of the things we liked did happen.
>>143184648
Or you could just explain yourself.
>>143184788
I could, yes, but we've done that same song and dance 100 times already.
How about you tell us what you didn't like about it instead? Please make criticisms that show you watched and understand the show instead of just complaining about things that would only bother you if you watched half the show or didn't pay attention to the last half.
>>143184883
Well the show has awkward dialogue, uses the same gags far too frequently, and generally just has weak characters that depend too much on having shticks instead of actually having interesting relationships (though I'll say that the relationship between Mirai and Akkey is compelling and well developed, especially compared to the rest of the character relationships).
To be clear, I still think this show is decent. But to be considered among Kyoani's best it really needs to go above and beyond and KnK doesn't. It's really not outstanding in any way that I can see, merely watchable.
>>143185175
>and generally just has weak characters that depend too much on having shticks instead of actually having interesting relationships
This is honestly just a result of you not reading between lines. Not our fault.
>>143157459
The KnK movie was them wrapping up the series instead of making an S2, it makes sense the pacing was fucked.
Also if you started watching Hyouka from episode 12 you would miss literally nothing.
I respect Takemoto for his work on Disappearance but it's clear he has no fucking clue how to develop characters in a timely fashion. He's the best at the climax, but everything leading up to it is abysmal. After watching Hyouka and rewatching Disappearance, I noticed how bad the pacing was in the beginning of the movie. It's for that reason I can't defend or even argue Hyouka was good when literally half the show is inconsequential.
>>143185340
Fine then, please spell it out for me. In what way are these characters interesting?
>>143185175
>Well the show has awkward dialogue,
How so? I've heard this complaint a few times but never actually been given examples. It's always a surface level hand waving type thing. Give me a scene in particular that struck you as odd.
>uses the same gags far too frequently
I don't see how this even applies. They repeat gags no more than any Kyoani anime, or even anime in general.
>weak characters that depend too much on having shticks instead of actually having interesting relationships
Well you already acknowledged the main pairing (which is kind of the focus of the show) is good so I won't touch on that. Akkey and Hiromi had an interesting relationship (friends, but one of them kind of needs to be ready to kill the other on a moment's notice) and it got expanded on in the prequel OVA. Mirai and Mituki end up becoming friends because of the common ground they share with the fear of isolation and loneliness. If you thought the reason Hiromi always hovered over Mituki, then you missed his characterization entirely.
>It's really not outstanding in any way that I can see, merely watchable.
Hyouka, Nichijou and the Haruhi movie are Kyoani's best, I'm not one of the ones who said it was KnK. That said, I still think it's a great show, because an average Kyoani show is still a great show in general.
>>143185366
>Also if you started watching Hyouka from episode 12 you would miss literally nothing.
>Miss the movie arc
>literally nothing
No.
>>143157126
It was horrible. Girls are cute and animation is good, but plot is complete garbage even worse than average LN.
>>143161211
>is it like how kpop works, where fans get super mad if the women actually date
Two words,Love Live.
Sorry OP but I have to say you have GARBAGE taste because I fell asleep watching Beyond the GARBAGE, they showed it at my anime club in college and I feel asleep after the first 10 minutes into each episode.
It had good animation but that was it, some fancy animation company animated it and everyone was like "OMG SO AND SO COMPANY ANIMATED THIS!! IT'S GONNA BE SO GOOD"
The ending song is god tier though, I love the music but the plot and characters were trash.
>>143185366
>I respect Takemoto for his work on Disappearance but it's clear he has no fucking clue how to develop characters in a timely fashion.
I've been wondering what it would be like if he teamed with Yamada, because I think they could learn a lot from each other.
>>143157126
Is this really a good show? The plot description makes it look like shit.
>>143185464
nice arguments you have for it being garbage
>>143185568
Not him, but I'm pretty sure the capslock cruise control and stuff about the anime club was supposed to make it obvious that the post was a joke.
>>143185464
>anime club
>opiniondiscarded.jpg
>>143157126
>implying
>>143185464
Hi Penn
>>143185415
>The movie arc showed that Oreki really cared deep down and could be manipulated!
That was extremely evident the first time Chitanda roped him into something. Granted it was a better mystery than "Why was I angry?" but there was nothing revealed of the characters we didn't already tell from their character designs.
>>143185415
>Give me a scene in particular that struck you as odd.
Basically every club room scene is more or less as follows:
>Akkey: Boy do I love me some glasses, look at Mirai over there she wears glasses and I am attracted to her
>Mirai: Fuyukai desu
>Hiroomi: Akkey you are a man of fine taste but I must say that little sisters are better than glasses
>Mitsuki: Disgusted look
And continue ad infinitium with the two discussing which is better until the scene ends. It's horribly boring and it's repeated several times throughout the series.
What makes it awkward though is how unambiguous the terms they speak in are. If they found interesting ways to talk about how hot they think their club members are it probably would have better, but it is literally just the two of them explicitly stating their attraction and fetishes is completely flat terms.
>friends, but one of them kind of needs to be ready to kill the other on a moment's notice
How is this an interesting dynamic? Hell, I might even argue the two really aren't that close in general, they don't have many scenes alone together and there's really never a point at which it becomes clear why the two are friends. This is the same with Mitsuki and Akkey.
>If you thought the reason Hiromi always hovered over Mituki, then you missed his characterization entirely.
What?
>Hyoukafags
>>143185943
It looks like KnKfags are learning to copy stupid Hyoukafag rhetoric too.
>>143166068
fuyukai desu
>>143184525
The characters were interesting, the atmosphere was amazing.
Thats pretty much it. The plot sucked but the characters carried it.
series needed to be twice as long for them to cram all the relationship-building and plot-setup that they tried to. the romance comes off as hamfisted and without basis (omg U HAVE WEIRD SPIRIT POWERS TOO? LETS HOOK UP), and too little is answered. what's the deal with zouken matou in the nase basement? why is edgy juice box man just edgy for no reason? what kind of youmu does eldest nase have jammed up her butt, and why? how did akihito get beyond the bounds'ed? it wasn't his dad, that was someone else.
they were WAY too ambitious in terms of scale, and the show suffered horribly as a result.
you have to completely ignore cute girls when evaluating kyoani shows, because cute girls are pretty much the only thing they do consistently well.
hyouka wasn't bad, but it suffered from the opposite problem; too little happened in a long period. oreki's encyclopedia brown act gets old, and when we get teases at characterization (satoshi's old perfectionism/inferiority complex thing, ibara's bullying, chitanda's role as figurehead, oreki's depression) they don't pan out.haruhi's their best show by a mile and i will brook no argument
>>143186117
>the atmosphere was amazing.
What's even remotely interesting about the atmosphere?
>>143185366
>Also if you started watching Hyouka from episode 12 you would miss literally nothing.
I wanted to berate you for this but then I checked and you're kinda right, all the episodes I liked most were in the second half.
Still loved the series tho, any Oreki-Chitanda interaction is worth watching.
>>143185409
They all feel lonely in their own ways and have different ways to deal with it. Loneliness is a huge theme in KnK, being what brings the main couple together, but it's present in all the other characters as well. Mitsuki being the youngest sibling is left to do the boring work (see episode one when Akihito says Hiroomi doesn't spend much time in the clubroom [despite watching Akihito being his responsibility too] and many other times where Mitsuki is sheltered), Nino-sensei is always being ditched in her dates, Ayaka and Ai were brought together by their loneliness as well, Izumi deals a lot with loneliness in the movie, Sakura is lonely because Mirai killed her sister and she doesn't have special powers, and Fujima uses her loneliness to manipulate her. Loneliness is what brings all the characters together in KnK, and it's so important that they dedicated all of episode 5 to it, and they even said it to your face at the end in the festival. Pic related.
There's more to talk about, but I'm not going to go over every single theme of the show because if you care enough you'll rewatch the show and pay attention this time.
>>143185870
Sounds like you couldn't give less of a shit about characterization, atmosphere, directing, story and only care about romantic development.
>>143185886
>Basically every
I asked for a specific scene, not generalizations.
>What makes it awkward though is how unambiguous the terms they speak in are.
You're making more generalizations and again, probably missed subtext.
>How is this an interesting dynamic?
How is it not? What other shows have dynamics like that?
>I might even argue the two really aren't that close in general, they don't have many scenes alone together and there's really never a point at which it becomes clear why the two are friends.
>What?
This is why people tell you that you missed most of it.
>>143186265
The Takemoto episode had pretty much the best atmoshpere in a single episode of anything that year. The only other show that was on that level was Kyosougiga.
>>143186265
I'm a sucker for magical world building, and the OST and visuals went a long way to help it.
>>143185566
I'll give you the real plot description right here:
Two outcast monsters are brought together by their loneliness when they end up relating to each others' curses.
If you're not looking at the show that way while you watch it, you're watching it wrong. All the action and monsters stuff is just a setting for that.
![[USS]_Beyond_the_Boundary_(2013)_-_08_[BD_1080p_H264_AC3]_[8B218C0D].mkv_snapshot_05.53_[2016.02.09_21.23.42].png](https://i.imgur.com/zFe3NB7.jpg "[USS]_Beyond_the_Boundary_(2013)_-_08_[BD_1080p_H264_AC3]_[8B218C0D].mkv_snapshot_05.53_[2016.02.09_21.23.42].png")
>>143186159
>the romance comes off as hamfisted and without basis (omg U HAVE WEIRD SPIRIT POWERS TOO? LETS HOOK UP)
this is the stupidest thing I've read all week
>>143186547
Which one?
Either way I think almost every episode was very atmospheric.
>>143186644
The dream sequence. Honestly, the last 4 episodes of the series were all fantastic. Everything plot point-wise came togeter and the directing was on point for everything.
>>143186708
Goddamn that was incredible.
I think I'll rewatch KnK sometime soon.
>>143186807
That, the train sequence with the OP tie in, the snow battle, and the final battle were all amazing, but that whole episode was just gold. Takemoto's episodes are always the best. I think he did 16 and 25 in Nichijou, and those were easily my favorites.
>>143185643
No, it wasn't. I was being serious about all that, they really did show it at my college anime club and I really did fall asleep during every episode because of how boring it was.
Why would I lie about that? I thought it was a trash anime
>>143185366
>Also if you started watching Hyouka from episode 12 you would miss literally nothing.
Lolwhat? There's a ton of character shit going on in the first half. About as much as in the second half.
>>143186852
>takemoto is free to do a few episodes of violet evergarden
feels good
>>143186493
>I asked for a specific scene, not generalizations.
Pick any of the club room scenes if you want a specific one, my whole point is that they're all more or less the same and that's boring.
>You're making more generalizations and again
No I'm not, in every scene where Akkey or Hiroomi talk about they're fetishes they just say "I have a fetish and it is this. There is a person over there who is my fetish." If you have an example where this gag is done intelligently, feel free to offer it.
>What other shows have dynamics like that?
Being uncommon doesn't make it interesting by default. Does that dynamic make their interactions or their relationship more interesting? What does it add?
>This is why people tell you that you missed most of it.
Who's engaging in broad generalizations now?
>>143186469
A show can have decent themes and still have bad characters. This proves nothing.
>>143186563
>>143186547
Neither of these actually explain the atmosphere or what makes it interesting.
>>143186967
Takemoto is working on VEG? Sweet mother of God, nothing can prepare me for this.
>>143187004
not confirmed but i don't think he has any other projectsunless he's doing fmp
>>143186493
>Sounds like you couldn't give less of a shit about characterization
Stop. Read a book. Understand what characterization is.
A character that does nothing to evolve beyond his trope is a flat character, there is no characterization to be had. At no point did any characters react differently to the same stimuli for the entire first half of the anime meaning there was no character to reveal.
>atmosphere, directing
Yes, from a purely visual standpoint yes Hyouka was amazing to look at, but it wasn't an art project, it was an piece of entertainment. That's like trying to defend a book because it had amazing grammar and punctuation, or a really pretty font. It's literally the same as defending a show because it has cute girls in it.
>story
An entire episode dedicated to finding out why someone was upset is not good writing. You cannot seriously defend this.
>>143187001
>A show can have decent themes and still have bad characters. This proves nothing.
Those are themes that are present in all the characters, and that actually affect how they act and what they do. Don't move goalposts.
![[9F893C02].webm](https://i.imgur.com/lEiUyRU.jpg "[9F893C02].webm")
>>143187001
I wouldn't say the atmosphere was "interesting" its more of something you feel. The show itself was pretty dark colored with bright vivid coloring during supernatural sequences and certain happy key scenes. The OST gives it a bit of a somber feeling as well. Like another anon said, loneliness was a big theme in KnK and the atmosphere reflected it very well.
>>143187192
I'm not. Having a theme does not make the characters good. Even if the theme is integrated well with the characters. They can still be underdeveloped and flat despite that.
>>143186636
i stand by it; they just do not devote enough time to having the main couple actually interact outside of fighting. mirai apparently just falls like a fucking brick for akihito after pale shade/wtf-ever it's called fight strictly because he's got a similar taboo status within spirit warrior culture. that's it, that's 100% the reason, and there's zero fluctuation from that point on. we're led to believe, apparently, that literally any guy that she met that didn't immediately go EW CURSED BLOOD GROSS would be a love object in her eyes.
>>143187001
>Pick any of the club room scenes if you want a specific one
That's not how this works. You made the claim, you back it up.
>in every scene where Akkey or Hiroomi talk about they're fetishes they just say "I have a fetish
Yes, the scenes where their fetishes become a joke have them mention their fetishes. Mirai also says fuyukai. In addition to being jokes, Akkey's fetish and Mirai thinking things are unpleasent lead to an emotional scene later in the series, and Hiromi has a reason for the imouto fetish which you still haven't picked up on.
>Being uncommon doesn't make it interesting by default.
Novelty absolutely makes something more interesting, especially when you slowly realize that the guy acting buddy buddy with the MC has to be prepared to kill him, the MC is racked with guilt over hurting his buddy, and both of them still smile on the outside despite knowing this.
>broad generalizations
I asked you to show me that you understood the show when you complained about it, you've yet to do that. I see no generalization.
>>143187116
>Stop. Read a book.
I've read plenty.
>Understand what characterization is.
Right back at you.
>A character that does nothing to evolve beyond his trope is a flat character, there is no characterization to be had. At no point did any characters react differently
Learn the difference between characterization and character development before you pretend to be smart on the internet, you fucking idiot.
https://5writers.com/2012/09/12/characterization-vs-character-development-by-belinda-nicoll/
> from a purely visual standpoint
Symbolism and visual metaphors play a huge role in the story teling, you can't seperate the visuals from the "meat" of the story.
>An entire episode dedicated to finding out why someone was upset is not good writing.
>The concept is bad because I say so, and because I'm unable to read into characterization.
>>143187244
I mean, it's not nothing but I still fail to see how it qualifies as "amazing."
Reminder
>>143187271
Then it's just your opinion.
>>143187350
>Characterization is the process by which the writer reveals the personality of a character.
Hell, look at the site you linked yourself;
>Characters in a story are brought to life by their physical traits, habits and gestures, emotional responses and intellectual observations, as well as their goals and conflicts.
Both of these things say the same thing, that these characterizations give life to a character. If I draw a character with big bottle glasses carrying a book and wearing suspenders. I can assign them a nervous tick like readjusting their glasses, give them a runny nose, or even give them an internal monologue in which they reflect on how much of a dork they are, but I'm not showing you anything you don't already know about the character.
There is nothing to CHARACTERIZE because the character is already established. Having a villian twirl his mustache and give an evil laugh isn't characterization, it's called being redundant. You cannot have characterization unless the character takes a step out of their trope, which the entire cast of Hyouka did not do for over half of the show.
>>143187524
Yes, opinions are what we are talking about.
>>143187350
>You made the claim, you back it up.
I did. My point is not about specific scenes, my point is about a certain type of scene that I believe is overdone and boring.
>Yes, the scenes where their fetishes become a joke have them mention their fetishes. Mirai also says fuyukai. In addition to being jokes, Akkey's fetish and Mirai thinking things are unpleasent lead to an emotional scene later in the series, and Hiromi has a reason for the imouto fetish which you still haven't picked up on.
This doesn't make the gags themselves any less tired.
>Novelty absolutely makes something more interesting,
It makes it more interesting, but it doesn't make it interesting. The novel aspect doesn't change the fact that the two don't have much chemistry and don't have any reason to actually be friends.
>>143187855
Characterization is the author reveal their personality, character development is them changing throughout the story. You said
> Understand what characterization is.
>A character that does nothing to evolve beyond his trope is a flat character, there is no characterization to be had. At no point did any characters react differently
You literally don't know the difference between them, and you have the gall to tell someone else to read a book.
>but I'm not showing you anything you don't already know about the character.
>Even though I'm adding personality quirks and traits.
>Characterization isn't characterization because I say so
God, you're fucking stupid.
>>143188024
>Yes, opinions are what we are talking about.
Then it doesn't matter at all because it's fucking subjective.
>>143161211
Watch Tamako.
>>143188024
>My point is not about specific scenes, my point is about a certain type of scene that I believe is overdone and boring.
No, bullshit. Either reference what actually happens in the show or stop talking about it. No one cares how you think you remember the show to play out. Actually cite the damn show.
>This doesn't make the gags themselves any less tired.
Gags are gags. They're used in lots of media all the time. Now you're trying to brush over the fact that you couldn't pick up on anything beyond the surface levels gags to understand characterization by fixated on the gags (you subjectively think) aren't funny.
>the two don't have much chemistry and don't have any reason to actually be friends.
They absolutely have chemistry. Hiromi trying to warm his hands under Akkey's sides and Akkey getting skeeved out was great. Their playful dynamic is funny, and they can both switch to serious mode and actually solve problems. The reason they became friends is a combination of strange pity and a common bond through isolation (neither of them can ever be normal kids at school). It's an interesting and unique dynamic.
>>143188106
No, you can have a justification for a subjective opinion, and certain subjective opinions can be more convincing or valid than others.
![[VCB-S&Liuyun]Kyokai no Kanata[12][Hi10p_1080p][BDRip][x264_flac].mkv_snapshot_07.46_[2015.10.07_16.49.25].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fh57wuh.jpg "[VCB-S&Liuyun]Kyokai no Kanata[12][Hi10p_1080p][BDRip][x264_flac].mkv_snapshot_07.46_[2015.10.07_16.49.25].jpg")
>>143184883
>we've done that same song and dance 100 times already
Every single thread. It's always the same bullshit reasons why they hate it. It's always something about how the plot was shit, but as the thread goes on you realize they didn't even understand what was going on. I am glad that people will still defend KnK because it was a great series. I don't think there has been a thread about KnK since it aired that didn't have this same cycle.
>>143188276
Maybe you keep going through it because the show isn't all that great.
>>143188228
>and certain subjective opinions can be more convincing or valid than others
And who decides that, idiot? Whoever agrees with you?
>>143188330
your mom wasn't that great either
>>143188276
It was shit because I have ADHD and need to be walked through everything
>>143186563
> magical world building
But there was none. I kept waiting for it but it kept being sidelined by antics and power never being fully explored. Whatever little we saw looked interesting but it was never exploited in any way. What a waste.
At the time, I felt the ending ruined the anime. Was a complete cop-out and made everything that had just occured before it feel cheap.
>>143188359
Everyone decides it for themselves. The more people agree with you the more likely it is you have a valid idea on your hands.
Besides, who's right isn't really what's important, what's important is understanding the opinions of other people.
>>143188432
>power never being fully explored
You sound like the kind of idiot who gets mad reading Bokumachi because they don't explain his time travel powers.
>>143188448
>Was a complete cop-out
Please explain how it was a cop-out when everything leading up to it was set up during the show, and then a movie was literally made with the premise being how those events affected them.
>>143188276
>how the plot was shit
But the plot involving the Spirit Warrior Society was shit, there's no denying that.
>>143187350
As an aside, I also love KnK, it's in my 3x3, but your arguments defending it are fucking retarded. The fetish talk in the club room was purely fanservice and light, slightly vapid if we're being honest, banter. You could argue it shows the group dynamic a bit and gets you used to the characters, but the characters settle into their tropes pretty easily enough.
Most of the show was rather generic with once again gorgeous visuals and the main reason I watched it was because I have a megane fetish and this is the first show in a long time to actively pander to my tastes. You can defend things like Mirai's character was much more complex than we first initially were led on to believe, and that her actions were justified and made sense in hindsight, but pretending it's anything more than a 7/10 at best is just being plain dumb.
There's nothing wrong with liking something that's flawed and it'll benefit you in the long run to be able to accept valid criticisms of things you like instead of having to defend every single thing about it. It just makes you look like a twat.
>>143188546
>>143188481
They are explained perfectly well, they just never do anything interesting with their powers, they are effectively irrelevant aside from the fact that they can fight with them.
>>143188525
Honestly, I can't even remember the ending properly so I can't really answer that. I didn't know about the movie at the time though as I watched it pretty much just after it aired.
I just remember my disgusted reaction at the last 5 minutes and the feeling that it had all been done for a cheap emotional response without having the backbone to follow through with a bittersweet ending.
>>143188481
The guy was praising the worldbuilding. I wouldn't praise BokuMachi's worldbuilding either.
>>143188546
>The fetish talk in the club room was purely fanservice and light, slightly vapid if we're being honest, banter.
And when did I say the actual talk of fetishes was anything more than light humor? I said there was more to the characters than that, that plenty of shows use similar personality quirk gags, and that some of the gags led to something else later, but when did I claim the gags weren't just silly gags? Work on your reading comprehension.
>but pretending it's anything more than a 7/10 at best is just being plain dumb.
>My final opinion on the numerical rating is final, and you can't argue with me!
>>>/MAL/
And don't come back.
>defend every single thing about it.
I've never once pretended that Fujima was a great villain or that Hiromi's family couldn't have done with some more screen time, but the only twat is the guy putting words in my mouth and then pretending that his opinion is fact becase "I enjoyed these parts and the rest is stupid because I say so."
>>143188755
Not them but
>quirk gags
Being constructed from Sad Backtory and single joke gags =/= being a good character.
>>143188530
There was no spirit warrior society?
>>143188740
When people say "bittersweet" they really mean tryhard garbage that throws a coating of melancholy over the ending so they can pretend it's mature. If the story builds up to something properly, then adding in some sadness because you think it's somehow mature is shit story telling. If you really can't remember the ending, then try watching the series again and seeing if you can pay attention enough to catch why the ending played out like it did.
>>143188096
And now you've turned to insults. Let me break it down so you can understand since apparently I made too many assumptions on your ability to comprehend things, this will be the last reply I give you.
Characterization means that parts of the character previously unknown to the viewer are now shown, character development means that the character actively changes their mindset.
To give you an example since I clearly can't trust you to understand something without aid, an extremely common and tropey form of characterization you've seen a million times is that moment in an anime where someone you assume to be a good guy gives that quiet smirk when it's clear he's tricked the protagonist. It's an action that shines new light on the character that we did not have before.
When I said that the character does nothing to evolve beyond his trope, I meant that in no way did the character act in a way we wouldn't expect them to act given our first impression of them. By episode 12, Oreki has done absolutely nothing that we couldn't already imagine him doing from the promotional poster for the anime itself, therefor I made the claim that he has done nothing to evolve beyond his trope.
With that I'll let you go back to making an ass out of yourself.
>>143188725
>they just never do anything interesting with their powers,
You mean like Mirai stuffing her soul inside her blood, or Akkey using his body to get himself to the reflected Earth to help Mirai? What the hell did you want, spiderman style web swinging with a scarf?
Let's talk in five years, autistic fag, it's still too soon for you.
Also, it's a shit show with pretty characters and a great ending song and video.
>>143188830
That wasn't even the argument at all, but I'll bite. Having a sad backstory that lends itself to characterization that isn't immediately revealed to the audience, but slowly trickles in does indeed help make a character good.
>>143188924
It was too slow, I already hated them all when they bothered to try and make them go somewhere.
>>143188859
>And now you've turned to insults.
Yes, because you're an idiot who doesn't understand basic literary terms.
>Characterization means that parts of the character previously unknown to the viewer are now shown, character development means that the character actively changes their mindset.
Very good, you finally caught on. Now would you care to explain why you talked about characterization, then said Oreki had bad characterization because he didn't change how he reacted to things? Per your own definition you mixed them up. I'll answer the rest of your post when you can answer this question since it's one of the fundamental problems with your posts.
>>143166176
They would've made a better protagonists than Akkey and Mirai.
>>143188913
Weak bait.
>>143189019
Thanks for the reply.
>>143188971
>The characters were bad because I couldn't pay attention long enough and they should have dumped their personalities at the start
Ok/
>>143189125
No, he's saying that he didn't like the characters and therefore didn't care about the backstories when they did come.
Blatant shitposting is easier than pretending you watched the show, huh?
Have another (you), on the house.
>>143189282
>>143189064
Oh dear lord, I didn't actualy quote you. I wasn't trying to deprive you of the (you), I swear it was an accident.
>>143188971
>I already hated them all
i don't get it, why did you watch it and why not naturally avoid this thread then?
>>143189175
>It was too slow
Implies that had it come sooner, he would have cared. He doesn't value build up or a reveal, he just wants personalities laid out in the open from the start.
>>143189338
Probably because the OP says that this is the best Kyoani show.
I miss shitposting on poor Future.
>>143189448
Paying attention is hard apparently
>>143189474
Such is life.
>>143189623
I've always loved her.
>>143190479senpai daisuke
Mirai is cute but let's be honest, KnK's execution and delivery was bottom tier garbage.
>>143190835
>but let's be honest
Ok. People who couldn't follow the show should stop commenting on it.
>>143190835
Nope, it was average at worst.
>>143190835
This thread just had its autistic phase showing the show really isn't bottom tier at least
inb4 another one breaks out.
>>143191281
This happens every KnK thread since the end of 2013
>>143157126
I just knocked this series off my backlog recently. It was pretty good and an enjoyable watch, but I would hardly rate it as KyoAni's best.
>>143191401
What could the next three years possibly bring to us?
Honestly was the point to have a quirky interesting fantasy show where the main characters must come to deal with horizon?
The fact is the execution is absolutely terrible.
It ended up boring and cringe worthy, where as the plot is contrived and forced through a poorly written plot device that evolves whenever it needs to.
Uninteresting poorly written one note archetypes clash with one another in the most obvious and generic ways possible for 20 minutes a week.
The art and animation isn't remotely consistent and it looks like shit 90% of the time. The art direction isn't anymore compelling on interesting that literally anything else.
The girls aren't even cute, like that's the easiest part.
The sad thing is there was so much desperate advertising of this shit it's almost sad, turns out it's by far the worst show this season, the shit didn't literally meet the expectations.
It's sad, but it's a pretty shit show.
>>143191652
>>143191145
It's bottom tier Kyoani.
>>143191652
I like glasses.
>>143191652
>English instead of moon name
>Reddit spacing
>Cringe
>Actually saying the art is bad and girls aren't cute
10/10, best bait in the thread.
>>143191652
At least you tried
>>143157126
The only kyoani show I've seen is keion.
>>143191652
>It ended up boring and cringe worthy, where as the plot is contrived and forced through a poorly written plot device that evolves whenever it needs to.
Jesus anon, you are a master of writing words without actually saying anything.
>>143191788
>Reddit spacing
Can anyone explain what this meme is.
>>143191703
>>143191776
>>143191788
>>143191814
>>143191880
>>143191951
When people write like this.
They put a double space between each sentence.
They're not separating paragraphs or sections of ideas, but literally sentences.
It's apparently what people do on reddit, and an easy way to spot them.
>>143191581
All the KnK fans will probably be dead by then. They probably won't create any more new content. We were lucky to get a movie.
>>143192237
Don't worry I won't kill myself anytime soon.
fuyukai desu
![[VCB-S&Liuyun]Kyokai no Kanata[10][Hi10p_1080p][BDRip][x264_flac].mkv_snapshot_12.15_[2016.01.21_19.31.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/arSgHrA.jpg "[VCB-S&Liuyun]Kyokai no Kanata[10][Hi10p_1080p][BDRip][x264_flac].mkv_snapshot_12.15_[2016.01.21_19.31.30].jpg")
>>143192359do it for her
![snapshot_00.17.52_[2016.02.25_20.59.10].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/B4VF1Nf.jpg "snapshot_00.17.52_[2016.02.25_20.59.10].jpg")
>>143192555
Gotta say one of my favorite part of her was when she was beating off Sakura, that part where she says she had already won from the beginning and was just pretending to be weak, and yet still won't ever harm her even though that little shit has been hounding her since who knows how long.But my favorite KnK girl is this kitten, every moment of her on screen makes me feel such unspoken joy
>>143157126
Very underrated but definitely not the best
>>143194353
Their designs are so fucking sexy
KnK was technically excellent and Hyouka was amazing but K-On will always be number one in my heart.
>>143157126
No, it was settled.
>>143157126
I have fapped to the sisters numerous times. Thanks Sasamori.
Thanks Yoshiki.
>>143157126
I'd like Free! more despite how much both seasons frustrated me with the drama.
ALso girls in glasses only works for me if the girl is cute.
>>143157126
>This is the best show KyoAni has made and nobody can prove me wrong.
Clannad After Story
>>143195671
Sauce?
>>143195671
>No Nichijou
I don't trust this
>>143196353
Japan hated Nichijou
>>143196353
Even they know nichijou is shit
shiiit
>>143192457
I want to penetrate that assafter doing all kinds of lewd things to those legs in those tights
>>143196064
https://akiba-souken.com/article/26400/
>>143196353
Nichijou is #9
>>143196570
No they didn't, the original BD print didn't sell amazingly because of the insanely high price, that's literally it. Talk to any Japanese otaku and that's what you'll hear.
>>143196353
Nichijou is vastly overrated here. I watched it with /a/ and it wasfun, but that doesn't mean it's a good show. It was nicely animated, but that's about it.
>>143197202
Nah, it's pretty much Kyoani's best work.
>>143197305
Hot opinion, I'm not going to argue anymore.
>>143197381
>Hot opinion
Faggot.
>>143197305
>it's pretty much Kyoani's best work.
Ok
>>143198160
>Polling nips en masse as a measure of quality
Ok.
>>143198160
We'll never see any more of Rikka's thighs.
>Ctrl+F Clannad
>only 2 results
Come on /a/, you know better than this
>>143198653
I'm sorry /a/, but I can't enjoy forced drama
>>143200380
Every emotion in music, film, etc is forced though.
>>143184525
Explanation to why we like it : https://youtu.be/Wjslx3VLSJU
>>143157126
It was the worst, bar Phantom World and Tamako Market.
>>143157126
>no Nagisa
>best
Lol nope
>>143202396
Why are you posting the worst Free? Opinion trashed.
>>143188481
The power in BokuMachi didn't really matter as it was just a plot device without which the story couldn't actually happen. It wasn't really relevant to the setting and worldbuilding like in KnK.
>>143202425
You misspelled 'best Free', edgy.
>>143196353
Nichijou was pretty mediocre. The animation and designs were nice, but it wasn't actually all that funny. I got a few chuckles in the first episodes and lost interest after the 12th.
![s-[2016.06.18_17.02.57].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/V2RDTkA.jpg "s-[2016.06.18_17.02.57].jpg")
>>143202460
Why does KyoAni have some money blonde fuccbois?
>>143202505
*so many
I really liked it even though it seems the majority of the board says they hate it every time a thread's made about it. Great music, great characters, the art looks great, the fights are awesome, the character interactions are nice, and Mirai is a cute.
KyoAni needs to do more serious anime.
>>143157126
>best KyoAni show
>anything but Fumoffu
>>143202833
Hibike, Koe no Katachi, VEG ?
![[Mori] Kyoukai no Kanata Movie - I'll Be Here - Mirai-hen [1080p FLAC][F6D75B1B].mkv_snapshot_00.09.42_[2016.02.22_20.52.53].png](https://i.imgur.com/uVina60.jpg "[Mori] Kyoukai no Kanata Movie - I'll Be Here - Mirai-hen [1080p FLAC][F6D75B1B].mkv_snapshot_00.09.42_[2016.02.22_20.52.53].png")
>>143202358
Tamako Market was a 10/10 masterpiece you faggot
>>143202500
It was a virtually flawless masterpiece.
