What's the most pretentious anime?
You probably wouldn't know about it
>>143116470
>tatami galaxy is pretentious
>the main character talks to his fucking penis
Watch the show before you try to accuse it of even acting smart.
>>143116424
What? Tatami somple message was to stop fucking wishing for anime life and being a pretentious prick, instead appreciate the present. If you looked around, is quite nice.
Or did you get offended? I bet you love Re:Zero or other self insert series.
Obligatory
>eva
>>143116516
Re:Zero is the worst anime of the season.
>>143116424
Idiot
>>143116553
Fuck you, if reddit or MAL didnt love it a gobble it up, /a/ would be all over it like obscure Overlord.
>>143116424
Ping Pong.
>>143116509
Clearly you didn't get the reference, he wasn't talking to his penis, he was talking to a cowboy that represented the Cuban missile crisis and how US involvement caused issues for the people of japan twenty years down the road.
Kaiba probably.
Probably Angel's Egg.
Not even the creator knew what it was about.
>>143116581
Talent>Hard work
Hard work might not reward you in the end, but at least you know you gave it your all, with no regrets.
/a/ is getting way too retarded if they can´t get things like this.
Kemonozume
>>143116581
>ping pong
>pretentious
This meme needs to stop.
>>143116670
Nah, that one's pretty straighforward.
>>143116424
>>143116581
Is this another one of those "is it just me or did anyone else not understand why others like it" thread? Because the pattern is there.
>>143116424
This is a pretentious anime. Monogatari is a much better anime.
>>143116424
Fate s/n, Fate UBW and HxH.
Yuyushiki
>>143116424
Hyouka
Haremonogatari
>>143116793
Actually accurate.
>>143116698
yes
>being pretentious about anime
you're watching literally the lowest common denominator in the arts and you're being pretentious about it
>>143116645
>Talent>Hard work
this is some r9k mentality senpai
>>143116830
>lowest common denominator in the arts
That would be rap/hip hop "music."
>>143116581
This is a pretentious anime. Subete ga F ni Naru is a much better anime.
>>143116829
Do you feel stupid for not getting it? I´m honestly curious on how you feel.
>>143116793
Actually inaccurate.
>>143116864
>implying it's not true
>>143116645
>Talent>Hard work
Not necessarily.
You need to have talent, but if you don't take shit seriously, someone who works hard enough can beat you.
Also, aside from Akuma, that wasn't really a big part of the anime.
It was about Smile trying to get Peko to start taking the game seriously so he can start having fun with it again.
![[BSS]_Genius_Party_-_Limit_Cycle_[79563821].mkv_snapshot_00.25_[2013.12.05_02.10.10].png](https://i.imgur.com/HM4de3G.png "[BSS]_Genius_Party_-_Limit_Cycle_[79563821].mkv_snapshot_00.25_[2013.12.05_02.10.10].png")
Subete ga F ni naru.
A Certain Magical Index
>>143116886
>That would be rap/hip hop "music."
you know this site is 18+ right?
Keit-Ai desu senpai
>>143116864
To elaborate
Talent+Hardwork>Hardwork>Talent
It shows all the three different category through the eyes of the cast.
You are cancer for visit that retarded board mate.
>>143116864
http://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Perspectives-on-Psychological-Science-2016-Macnamara-333-50.pdf
>Most important, deliberate practice accounted for only 1% of the variance in performance among elite-level performers. This finding is inconsistent with the claim that deliberate practice accounts for performance differences even among elite performers. Another major finding was that athletes who reached a high level of skill did not begin their sport earlier in childhood than lower skill athletes. This finding challenges the notion that higher skill performers tend to start in a sport at a younger age than lower skill performers
Ping Pong's message that talent > hard work has been scientifically proven. It's still a pretentious anime, though.
The Pet Girl of Sakurasou
more like mushishit
>>143116925
It was about a lot of things.
Kazama and Wange had just as much focus as Smile and Peco.
>>143116981
>>143116886
is this a mem?
>>143117021
>implying I'd ever want to visit that shit hole
>>143116916
>>143117033
this is why you will always be losers, if you shoot yourself in the foot to begin with
Joshiraku
I'd say Texhnolyze, but it actually had the chops to pull off the moody philosophy lecture style. Maybe Ergo Proxy? It wasn't bad either, though.
Kokoro Connect
>>143117033
How was PP pretentious? Don´t say the art, it was taking after the manga.
>>143117084
Did you actually watch Subete? It was cringe-inducingly pretentious.
>>143117084
No, it was actually pretty mediocre. It had a lot of Deep Important Things to say, but said them inarticulately and once it said them, they turned out not to be as interesting as hoped for.
>>143116424
anything that /a/ likes is pretentious.
>>143117088
I am the guy with talent. I have seen hard workers get rewarded, but I get the same result without the same effort and beyond if I do put in the effort.
>>143117152
Except K-ON
>>143117128
>>143117138
It was basically just a locked room murder mystery. You're overthinking it, and it makes you sound like idiots.
>>143116956
This is the correct answer.
>>143117168
So, you didn't actually watch it. I'm specifically referring to all the pretentious shit that kept spewing out of the MC's mouth.
>>143117199
I watched it three weeks ago. The MC isn't pretentious, he's a nihilist. Sure, it makes him edgy, but you're misunderstanding the term you're using here.
>>143117242
I take that back, actually, he's more of an absurdist than a nihilist.
>>143117242
>The MC isn't pretentious
Maybe, but the anime is pretentious for having the MC say all that shit for reasons completely unconnected to the plot. The anime's just trying to look smart.
Lain is incredibly pretentious.
>>143117274
Yeah, absurdist is more fitting.
Nearly every animated short film is unbearably pretentious. Why can't people just make nice, easy things instead of obfuscated nonsense?
If we're talking series which attract the most pretentious viewers, then it's 100% gotta be Lain.
Monogatari.
Madoka Magica is pretty pretentious and dumb as hell
NGE is also pretentious since with its 2deep4u convoluted "shat on a piece of paper and gave it to the editor" plot
Deconstructions tend to be really pretentious since they usually try to be above the genres they're deconstructing, but come off 2deep4u superiority complex
>>143117285
On the other hand, its mystery actually is smart, so who gives a fuck?
>>143117353
Evangelion might be just as bad in that sense
I'm a huge eva fan btw just calling it how I see it
>>143117372
You're retarded.
>>143117398
Eva is pretentious, even though I love it.
>>143117353
>obfuscated
This post is pretentious.
>>143117372
You don't have to pretend to be smart anon. On the internet, no one cares that you have an IQ of 80.
>>143117014
heres your reply
Actual, serious answer: Kiznaiver. Presents "empathy is good and people can be friends without literally sharing pain" as some grand revelation. Combine with flat characters (despite being a character drama) and you have the biggest disappointment of the season (while Trigger's other show this season is unironically among the best).
What Pretentious means:
Pretending to have greater depth and meaning than actually exists.
What it doesn't mean:
Edgy
Wordy
Boring
Slow
That thing I don't like
Please adjust your suggestions accordingly
Lain.
Ergo Proxy.
Tehxolyze.
Every Monogatari from Shaft.
Punpun, if you want manga too.
>>143117537
Boogeysomething Phantom.
Higurashi.
To Aru Majutsu no Index and the ramifications.
>>143117566
>>143117537
Neither Monogatari nor Higurashi are pretentious
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
>>143117601
I got overboard with Higurashi, but damn Monogatari if isn't pretentious with those swift-flashing screens with WORDS and WORDS everywhere forming WORDS AND WORDS WORDS WORDS
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>143117398
I don't think so, Evangelion is too widely popular. Heck, I'd say disliking the show is almost more pretentious than liking it.
>>143117423
Do you just not know about words?
>>143117688
Wordy is not pretentious
You numbskulls raped that word to death. If all the criticism you can offer is attaching pretentious to it you should just fuck off back to the womb for a fresh start. It's just a buzzword these days. You can count in one finger the number of times it's used correctly in a giving month. You'd have to know a lot about how it's perceived and the original intent before ever using the term, something most people here don't have a clue about.
Kiznaiver
>>143117688
please just stop posting
>>143117372
Just because you're a dumb nigger faggot doesn't mean it's pretentious. Go watch Michael bay queer.
>>143117353
Literal storytelling and ambiguous storytelling are simply different schools with different approaches to the art.
Some storytellers like to present their audience with story they can take at face value, and then use that stability to draw the audience in. It can turn out well (see most highly respected and well-known anime; is Nausicaa a reasonably uncontroversial example?) or terribly (Sword Art Online, say).
Others prefer to work more abstractly, using the narrative to evoke emotions and ideas with less of a focus on the literal mechanics of the plot. It worked for Utena, and if you didn't like that, there's Evangelion and Haibane Renmei. But these types of stories can just as easily become incomprehensible nonsense (Evangelion, again, along with various others mentioned here.)
Generally, the more abstract kind of storytelling is the one that attracts the description of "pretentious", and it's the hardest for anyone to agree on. Most people will get a comparable experience out of a literalist story like Kiki's Delivery Service, but everyone gets something different out of Lain, for better or worse.
>>143117832
>>143117832
The first Transformers movie is better than every mecha anime ever made except Evangelion.
>>143117807
I DON'T GET IT, ANON
WHAT IT WAS MEANT TO BE~I'M REACHING INSANITY
>>143117861
This.
>>143117088
There's nothing wrong with realizing that talented people are better than those with no talent who just work hard. That's not saying that you can't still be respectable on hard work alone or that there's no point in trying, it's just a hard fact
>>143116602
kek
>>143117861
My philosophy of art doesn't allow for it to literally be pretentious so I just use the word as a substitute for heavy-handed philosophical works which I personally dislike, don't think too much of it.
>>143117002
triggered nigger detected and/or middle class suburban white kid
>>143116424
This anime was not that pretentious.
>>143116424
Anything written by Kouji Kumeta
Anything written by Kinoko Nasu
Anything written by Gen Urobuchi
Anything written by Mari Okada
Anything written by Romeo Tanaka
Anything by Shaft
Anything with character designs by Yoshitoshi ABe
Anything directed by Kunihiko Ikuhara
Anything directed by Hideaki Anno
Anything directed by Mamoru Oshii
Anything directed by Makoto Shinkai
Anything by Ghibli
Anything with a cyberpunk setting
Anything described as "iyashikei"
>>143118039
Trawling with a wide net, I see.
>>143118039
Accurate.
>>143118212
Samefag.
>>143118375
More like Neo-4chan, this shit has surpassed the level of sadness.
>>143118039
Yep you've pretty much nailed it. I like to stick to my CGDCT shows like K-On and Nisekoi. Anything outside of my safe zone is to much for me to handle. Things like Log Horizon, Kill la Kill, and Gurren Lagann are also okay too. I honestly hate people with incredibly boring taste.
>>143118652
Says the guy with incredibly boring taste.
>>143118039
I like almost everything listed here. Kumeta Kouji is undoubtedly pretentious. I still love his work.
>>143118696
Even I can tell that's sarcasm.
Eva
Pretentious is the thinking man's chuunibyou
>>143118039
yep that pretty much covers everybody
Ghost in the Shell is still one of the most pretentious things to date.
Anime, and any art for that matter, can't be pretentious. I'm not just being annoying and pointing out a technicality just to be anal either, no matter how serious something takes itself or how deep or complex or arty something is, as long as there is a sincere enjoyment of it on its own merits rather than because it makes you seem smart it isn't pretentious.
>>143116424
You posted it.
>>143117372
>Madoka Magica is pretty pretentious and dumb as hell
I agree, but I love it anyway.
Ghost in the Shell
Is calling every anime with some level of depth pretentious a meme now
>>143116956
So I was not the only one who didn't got that...
Akira
Obligatory.
>>143116516
F U C K Re:Zero
Tatami is a permanent on my 3x3
>>143122735
It is quite good tho
This thread really pisses me off.
Unable to experience anything with a shred of depth? That's fine, honestly.
But to actually be so insecure as to degrade those works by saying their depth is artificial and that the people who can appreciate them are only doing so to pretend they're smart, because nobody could ever be smarter than you, right? Even though tying pitiful ego contests of, in this case, intelligence to something as beautiful and meaningful as works of art exposes you as one of the most disgraceful retards in society.
>>143123216
What pretentious post.
>>143123216
There's no need to get worked up, it's just anime.
Meanwhile stuff like K-On and other shitty generic herem waifu anime get praised for literally having zero depth. I mean I get it, they're not supposed to be deep, they're comfy and whatever but why can't people that call Ergo Proy or Tatami galaxy pretentious acknowledge an anime that tries out new things and works with darker themes?
>>143116424
Anything by this guy, or by Miyazaki.
The fast narration is annoying.
>>143118039
You forgot "Anything on noitaminA"
>>143122735
>implying hes wrong
>war is bad and stuff
>but it should still involve the loss of human life to mean anything
>>143116424
>Tatami Galaxy
>Pretentious
Dude the plot was just MCreliving his college years in order to achieve his "Rose-colored school-life".
What about it was fucking pretentious or hard to understand? Aside from the speed-light speeches there wasn't anything odd or uncommon about it.
Not liking a series doesn't automatically make it pretentious or shitty.
>>143118039
Anything written by this anon.
>>143116424
Obviously.
>>143126942
Turns out being pretentious isn't mutually exclusive to its storytelling. People have their own reasoning for why they think a show is pretentious. After all, seeing whether a show holds worth, false worth, or any value at all is a matter of opinion. If you want an example, many find Yuasa's artstyle to be purposefully unappealing, and may think he does it to alienate the larger audience from enjoying his show. Since he does have a rather small bubble of dedicated fans that will discard any criticism as a matter of "not understanding" or "not being able to appreciate" it. Of course, whether or not you think his artstyle holds worth or that it pretends to hold worth in its poorly drawn aesthetic, is an opinion.
>>143116470
10/10
>>143116645
>Talent>Hard work
Mashirofags should burn in a nuclear fire.
Oh that's the dude who does Asian Kung-Fu covers. I like his art.
Lain. Lain. Lain.
Ergo Proxy is the definition of pretentious mess without meaning.
Yuasa has a godly taste, his anime are fun to watch and they are never trying to be deeper than they really are.
>>143118039
Damn, then what would be an anime that is deep but not pretentious?
>>143117963
But if those talented faggots don't work as hard as the others, then they should just fuck off.
Most pretentious = everything is about posture, with no substance substance whatsoever
Kara no Kyoukai
>>143116424
A lot of its fans are pretentious, but by itself Tatami Galaxy is the opposite of pretentious.
>>143116424
Definitely those somethingmonogataris
>>143128614
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang
Don't call something pretentious because you don't understand it.
>>143116956
Wasn't expecting someone else to list Limit Cycle. Most pretentious pile of garbage I had the displeasure of watching.
>>143125050
I love shows like Witch Hunter Robin, Read or Die, and Ghost in the Shell but even I was watching Ergo Proxy and wondering what the fuck are they talking about.
It's fairly obvious they were trying to emulate GitS but it was more babble than the worst parts of GitS. At least Ghost has some really awesome action moments and mystery to them to back them up.
>>143129249
It is pretentious because it borrows the posture of philosophical concept without effectively integrating its meaning in the context of the characters or plot.
It makes the dialogues not only pompous but also useless.
Anything by Urobutcher.
>>143116424
Like poetry.
The poor man's GITS : Ergo Proxy
and
The poor man's Yuasa : Akiyuki Shinbo
Nichijou
>>143129638
But SZS is only a comedy. You're barking at the wrong tree.
>>143116752
>hxh
>battle shonen with goofy ass characters
>serious in like two arcs
how is it pretentious?
better question
what anime does /a/ NOT think is pretentious?
actual answer
kiznaiver (self explanatory- "seven deadly sins", concept of kiznaiver and how it could possibly achieve world piece is nonsensical yet they praise it like it's a godly new idea, with shit characters and forced melodrama it's pointless as fuck too)
psycho pass (hurr durr random irrelavent smart quotes that make me sound smart means I'm smart)
You can literally feel the smugness and self-importance of Yamakan radiating from Wake-Up Girls.
Not anime but this reminded me of that digibro guy with his k-on videos.
Those are the most pretentious shit a have ever seen in my life.
Its like trying way to hard to excuse your fetishistic taste.
>>143126795
How was Samurai Flamenco pretentious, then?
>>143129574
>It is pretentious because it borrows the posture of philosophical concept without effectively integrating its meaning in the context of the characters or plot
Not even slightly is this true, they are integrated into every nook and cranny of the series right down to Shiki's design (a merging of Eastern and Western clothing). Pretentious would be if Nasu added in symbolism that doesn't make sense or something like that to make his work feel more important than what it actually is. Like if he put all the taoist references and symbolism in there and have Shiki just be a normal girl with one personality.
Guess what? She has two personalities, two genders, reflecting Yin and Yang, which is the opposite of your claim that it isn't integrated into character context. Also good job posting a screencap that explains this for you and still not being able to see it.
>>143130026
That's shirou and rin you can't fool me.
>>143130058
Nah, Azaka is proto-Rin.
Is this series any good?
I just finished the Fate VN
>>143130178
Fucking cellphone >>143130089
>>143130178
Assuming you are referring to Kara no Kyoukai, absolutely. It's Nasu's most personal and confident work, Ufotable's best adaptation yet (except for the 6th film, read the novel for that part), and probably Kajiura's best soundtrack.
The first 4 films are out of order but it's like that for a reason (namely, for thematic purposes) and I recommend watching it that way.
>>143130026
> yin and yang, muh double personalities
> yin and yang, muh eastern and western clothing
Can you get more shallow than this? Can you describe what in this show is remotely related to the most basic definition of this concept
> Yin 陰 or 阴 Noun [philosophy] negative/passive/female principle in nature Surname Bound morpheme the moon shaded orientation covert; concealed; hidden negative north side of a hill south bank of a river
> Yang 陽 or 阳 Bound morpheme [Chinese philosophy] positive/active/male principle in nature the sun in relief open; overt belonging to this world [linguistics] masculine south side of a hill north bank of a river
You are exactly describing what I'm saying, posture (designs, pompy dialogues) and no substance (double personalties).
And we are only touching on an example of two or three lines of dialogue, which is fraction of the multiple one-on-one pointless ramblings this show has.
>>143130439
>Can you describe what in this show is remotely related to the most basic definition of this concept
Shiki's origin of Nothingness and how her growth parallels the progression from Wuji to Taiji to Yin and Yang.
>You are exactly describing what I'm saying
Quite the contrary.
>And we are only touching on an example of two or three lines of dialogue
I'm happy to discuss this as much as you'd like.
>fraction of the multiple one-on-one pointless ramblings
Again, your own inability (or unwillingness) to understand them doesn't make them pointless.
>>143130715
The concepts of Wuji/Taiji and Yin/Yang are concepts of alternation and complementarity, not progression or growth.
The Wuji is fundamentally Taiji at its limits. And Taiji is Wuji at its limits
Projecting these notions on Shiki's "double personalities" and clothing shows a shallow understanding of them and a willingness to cobble together more depth than it actually has.
Kino no Tabi
>>143131380
>The concepts of Wuji/Taiji and Yin/Yang are concepts of alternation and complementarity
Shiki and "SHIKI", rather than being entirely separate, were fully aware of each other.
>Projecting these notions on Shiki's "double personalities"
You can think of it like a gauge, with one side being red (negative) and the other side being blue (positive). There's a point between red and blue that is just a single line denoting the half-way point (neutral). Before meeting Mikiya, Shiki's efforts at keeping herself stable were focused on staying at the neutral point and not letting herself slip too far into the red, which would lead to insanity. But, after meeting and growing closer to Mikiya, Shiki came to desire a normal life with him, and was thus motivated to try to get into the blue part of the gauge.
>and clothing
Why are you so hung up on me making the observation that the designers clearly knew what they were doing by integrating the theme into the main character's design? You rarely see that level of craftsmanship in anime.
>shows a shallow understanding of them
What you've shown is a lack of the basic knowledge of Taiji theory.
>and a willingness to cobble together more depth than it actually has
Hilarious.
>>143118652
Nisekoi isn't CGDCT.
>>143122735
Which anime?
>>143116424
Anything by Urobuchi.
>>143129942
This, THIS. Well, Crowds was dumb too, at least Insight was entertaining
>>143116470
I really don't understand this "pretentious" meme
>>143132320
Pretentious isn't a meme, it's an adjective.
>>143116424
>ITT: I-it's not pretentious y-you're just stupid!
>>143132320
Anything that strives for something great, that has a certain pretense of depth or profound insight but which ends up being shallow or out of its intellectual depth.
Good examples:
- Psycho-pass
- Ergo Proxy
- GITS Innocence
>>143132516
>Psycho-pass
good
>- Ergo Proxy
good
>GITS Innocence
good
Nice meme.
>>143132591
>>Ergo Proxy
>Good
kill yourself
should have dropped that piece of shit before I happened to witness the worst possible ending in the history of anime
Reminder that quoting philosophers out of context and then failing to actually have an interesting take on that philosopher or have the quote inform your viewing automatically makes your show pretentious.
>>143132591
Do you know what pretentious means? It's not a synonym of bad.
>>143132650
Ending wasn't bad, everything in-between the first episode and the last one, with some exceptions here and there, was painfully bad
>>143132320
Watch yourself pretending not understanding it and you'll understand.
>>143132516
I understand what the word means but the way people use it is stupid, see this thread most people don't even explain why they find it pretentious, it's as valid of a criticism as saying "this is bad imo"
>>143132591
>>Psycho-pass
>good
>>- Ergo Proxy
>good
>>GITS Innocence
>good
>>143116553
Rem is the cutest girl of the season tho
Cowboy Bebop
>>143132726
It doesn't have to be a synonymous of bad to be a negatively connoted adjective.
Can't think of any. It seems a lot of people ITT are misunderstanding "pretentious" though.
>>143131433
>Kino no Tabi
Hmm, guess that's the closest I've seen in this thread. But even that's a stretch. There's reasonable evidence to the hypothesis that the director wasn't just going for an exploration of ideas but was (understandably) favoring certain ideas / pushing a certain philosophical view while masking it as an exploration. Also, it greatly twists/exaggerates some aspects of our world, then looks down on those within the anime, and seems, possibly, to expect you to look down on those aspects in _our_ world. For those reasons the show annoyed me a bit, but I still don't think "pretentious" is the right word to describe those...
>>143116886
>rap/hip-hop "music"
Linkin Park is much better right
>>143132948
But having just one bad quality doesn't make it bad, or not good.
>>143117688
It's not just the words. Is its content. Monogatari is not for retards but for teenagers whose only approach to the "intelectual" world is based on "psychological" anime and LNs and most likely have never picked up a real book.
Is it shit for the birds? Not quite
Is it a masterpiece? If you referents are shitty archetypal shonens it might be.
>>143132865
you're on /a/ dude, even the "trueanime" subreddit is better for reasonable discussions.
>>143133115
Why don't you go back there then you fucking faggot.
>>143133006
Now I get your point. Although I doubt the relevance of that term in describing something you consider good overall.
>>143116424
Tatami Galaxy actually helped me a lot, I had been imagining all the possibilities could had happened in my past if I changed some acts.
I was so worried, losing motivation til I saw this series, I started appreciate my present and try to fix the problems I've caused in the past.
The only problem with this series is it becomes repetitive and boring from ep 6 to ep 10.
The most pretentious anime is FMA:B, a bunch of retarded characters trying to deliver a cliche message through a generic and lazy writing, same shit with Fate/Zero.
Codegeass like pretentious too, but it is supposed to be a retarded anime so I'm fine with that.
>>143117688
Monogatari is pretentious, but your point is wrong, the word screens is its style, not its plot or writing.
I would say the reason for Monogatari being pretentious is the writing isn't good enough to deliver the message, we have some half interesting half cliche conversations to solve the problems, which is not convinced at all.
>>143116516
No the message is that some people will lose at life no matter what they do.
Why is Yuasa so pretentious?
>>143127978
why are the contours green
>>143116956
This, actually, is a very nice example of accompanying monotone technical blabber that doesn't really have grabbing ideas with sufficiently complex and varied visuals that are interesting for 20 minutes. Most anime don't have this attention to detail.
Also, I want to point that Mushishi has the same meditative mood and no one complains about it.
Perfect Insider
