Guess who?
Also yes, anime confirmed, and series moving on to bessatsu shounen magazine.
>>143098943
Flashback right?
When was it?
>>143099024
At least the announcement confirms it'll have more pages each chapter when it's monthly.
>monthly
So instead of taking two week research breaks, he'll now be taking four week research breaks? It's just like Negima!
>>143099024
>anime confirmed
Will he break the curse of crap adaptations?
>>143098943
so the MC from UQ Holder is technically the son of negi and asuna or something like that
>negi fw
>>143098943
>Best girl is back
Picked up.
>>143098943
Im guessing a flashback
>>143098943
Finally.
And now make this flashback 100 chapters please.
>>143099432
>monthly
Fuck, he better put out 60+ pages out then
>>143099601
>100 chapters
>1 chapter per monthly
>>143098943
SHOTA NEGI IS BACK
>>143099626
A bit over 8 years.
That sounds like a good amount to finish Negima properly.
It's been so long, anons.
>>143099486Even if the adaptation is amazing, the source material is crap anyway.
>>143100405
Just like Negima.
A shit flashback to a shit manga?
>>143100445
The part they got to adapt in anime, certainly. Mahora Festival and certain parts of Mundus Magicus would've been fun to see.
>>143100512
Not really.
>>143098943
oh looks, its worst girl
>>143100531
You're a moron.
>>143099024
Is that the vol 11 cover down there?
>>143100531
At least you could tell the plot had a direction in those arcs, although it lost it towards the end of Mundus Magicus when what was supposed to be a fairly clean-cut final battle kept suddenly having tons of shit added on top of it until it was resolved just as suddenly leaving a lot of things unexplained. Which is pretty much how the entirety of UQ Holder so far has worked.
>>143100608
That's rude, silly dude.
I hope Shaft gets this and it doesn't follow the manga at all.
>>143100700
UQ Holder?! incoming.
>>143100700
The OVAs were good tho.
>>143100760
Wasn't it somewhat outsourced, at least for the Mundus Magicus arc?
>>143100760
They weren't
>>143100760
No.
How big would the arseblast fallout be if Akamatsu decided to add Asuna to Touta's harem?
I hope the VA for Touta is Yuki Kaji to really drive the shittyness home.
>>143100885
The Yue one was good, the others not really. That they decided to adapt that instead of Negi vs Rakan and that it was the last OVA produced since they jumped into that Anime Final shit-show immediately afterwards is the real disappointment.
HACKAMATSU
>>143100938
>>143100945
The Ala Alba OAVs were nice, though.
>its a let's add more Negima characters and leave UQ characters in the dust episode
All the other cameos had failed so he's putting out Asuna now.
>>143101008
I wonder what someone who went into UQ Holder without reading Negima thinks about all this. It's only got much, much worse since the series began.
>>143101008
You sure it wasn't what the author had planned from the start?
Pretty sure manga doesn't works that way.
For those who didn't read the spoilers, Al sends Touta into some kind of illusory world of the past.
>>143101062
I think it's pretty annoying and boring
Negimafags probably think UQ stuff is boring
>>143101120
>touta
oh I thought that was Negi.
>>143101120
So the Asuna chick gets the same treatment like Yukihime. The "retcon" sutff Negimafags likes to rage about. I like this!
>>143101140
That loli race though was excellent right?
>>143100928
>How big would the arseblast fallout be if Akamatsu decided to add Asuna to Touta's harem?
Are people really still this mad about Negima's ending?
>>143101078
>You sure it wasn't what the author had planned from the start?
>Ken
>planning shit
How a story that tried to distance itself from Negima became all about Negima in its current chapters is the result of "planning" you tell me.
>>143101246
It is a flashback.
>>143101246
Even though I liked Touta as a MC more than Negi, I'm just satisfied that there will be more Asuna since she was my favorite girl. Now all I hope is that she can meet her friends again instead of waking up alone in the future (no, that rushed happy ending didn't make up for it, it felt too forced.)
>>143101276
>How a story that tried to distance itself from Negima
Give me source of that other than your assumption, then I believe you.
>>143101274
Yes.
>>143101356
>Even though I liked Touta as a MC more than Negi
You must be a big fan of cock
Remember when UQfags claimed that it this manga can stand without Negima?
Wew
>>143101384
Negi is boring, his characther development is too subtle.
Touta's development from a bitch pre-Danna, to a chill playa post-Danna was great.
>>143101361
Do they HAVE to shit up every UQ Holder thread like this?
>>143101140
I'm a "Negimafag" in that I found myself enjoying Negima a lot more than I have UQ Holder so far, but bogging down the plot and character with all the Negima references is actually one of the worst aspects of the series (being one of the things that makes the story as a whole feel directionless, for instance). I was soured by Negima's utter dogshit ending, but when UQ Holder was announced, I was ready to give Akamatsu another chance since it seemed it'd focus on a new cast and on the immortality concept. Instead we got Negima 2.0 (but set after the shit ending so it doesn't actually fix anything about it) and we got to the point where original characters like Karin and Santa are lucky to get a token line every ten chapters and characters visually introduced in the first volume (and who are also present in the page with the anime announcement) are still no-shows 120+ chapters in.
tl;dr: UQ Holder would be better without Negima plot points and characters acting like an albatross around its neck, even though it would likely still not be very good due to Akamatsu forgetting how to write.
>>143101446
Yes.
>>143101446
I suppose it's annoying, but how can one talk about UQ Holder without even mentioning Negima? It's not their fault, it's Ken's.
>>143101497
That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about shit like >>143100493 and >>143101246 and >>143101403
Not merely mentioning Negima, but the surge of shitposting. It reminds me of the early UQ Holder threads, back when people were sperging about Eva's hairstyle change.
>>143100628
Yes.
Asuna is more interesting to look at than that whore Kirie.
>>143101422
>to a chill playa post-Danna
This never happen. He's still a faggot especially in the latest chapter with his MUH KITTY
>>143101358
If you go back and read the first chapter again, you'll see that although there was stuff that'd obviously come into play later (Negi being Touta's dead "grandfather"), there were things that clearly set it apart from Negima such as the imagery of Evangeline leaving class 3-A behind and the lack of focus on overt fanservice and harem antics for the first few volumes. You can tell things radically shift into Negima atmosphere around the time of the bathhouse chapters where Kirie is suddenly in love with Touta and even Karin seems to be.
>>143101358
Read the manga.
>>143101646
He's not a bumbling retards when comforted by naked girls though.
>>143101559
Ah well, that's just your run-of-the-mill random shitposting. The first one seems to come from an anti-Negimafag even. I was talking about it being mentioned in actual discussion.
I really pity the people who haven't read Negima and are following UQ
>>143101664
This only proves that sales are declining that's why Ken's going full bait.
>>143101646
>don't touch my woman gramps
>faggot
Did I stumble into bizarro /a/?
>>143101722
I don't have a problem with it being mentioned in actual discussion. It's a direct sequel, after all.
>>143101664
>>143101667
That's assumption, not a source.
Case closed.
>>143101559
>playing victim
UQfags are the one that start the shitposting. Negimafags have all the right to shitpost in a sequel to their series, UQfags should just shut the fuck up considering their shitty series won't even exist without Negima in the first place.
>>143101740
>ppplease don't touch my girl who's in love with you!
>>143101777
Son, this is a UQ Holder thread.
If you don't like UQ Holder, you shouldn't be here.
>>143101809
>UQ Holder thread.
>Negima characters
>>143101862
It's a sequel to Negima.
>>143101764
Well yes, you can't prove that he didn't originally plan to have so many Negima references, but you still notice the shift regardlessly. It doesn't come off as natural, be it intended or not.
>>143101646
Isn't that thanks to Salty Touta?
>>143101903
Its that stupid fucking race. We already have tons of fanservice chapters in the inn, nigga should've shift to a more serious arc before going for more fanservice.
Ken is a dumbshit.
>>143101246
Im reading UQ and have never read Negima
Uncuckable
>>143101740
It's just that one "he's shit he's shit he's shit" anon. Get used to it.
>>143101924
Wait which one is soy sauce again?
>>143101786
Yep, this is bizarro /a/.
>>143101935
I'm kinda mad about it since it was originally introduced as Shinobu's goal and dream as early as chapter 2 and it ended up being the vehicle for more harem and fanservice hijinks with Shinobu having to share focus with a bunch of unrelated characters until the race is crashed by bad guys anyway. Such a waste.
>>143101989
Kirie's, if I'm not mistaken.
>>143098943
Now that Negima characters are coming back, it's finally worth picking up this series, right?
>>143102106
True.
Shinobu and Karin could've become an interesting character. Now they're just a shitty harem bait.
Fuck, even Ayaka has some justification for liking Negi. Mizore just randomly show up and fall in love with Touta. I swear if Ken doesn't show her being a crazy stalker yandere.
>>143102255
FUCK NO
>>143102255
Unless you want to see how Ken retcons Touta into everything, no.
>>143102276
Although to be fair, Shinobu herself is bait due to having the same name and appearence as Shinobu from Love Hina. At least she seemed to have a different focus at first, but nope, now she's in the harem too. Welp.
>>143102319
>>143102288
Ok, then I'll just check out the chapters where they're the focus.
>>143102370
I don't mind the throw back to Love Hina, heck the whole inn chapters has sort of Love Hinaish feel to that. It's just that its a quite fucking waste not making Shinobu the Nodoka/Makie of UQ.
You know, the regular girl that's in love with the MC and struggle with all her limitation to help me archetype.
So, how is Tota going to self insert himself into the past this time? Is he going to be the first one to beat Fate, so Fate is secretly obsessed with him instead of Negi? Is he going to make Pacticos with 3-A instead of Negi? Is he going to teach Negi his own spells first? Is he going to teach Asuna Magic Cancel? Is he going to make Kitty fall in love with him again, instead of Negi?
It's time to make your bets, boys.
>>143102598
>the whole inn chapters has sort of Love Hinaish feel to that
Kek, that's an understatement. Go back and read the first chapter of Love Hina and that chapter of UQ Holder side-by-side. It's a panel-for-panel recreation from the moment Shinobu enters the inn until she's cornered by everyone else.
>>143101151
Child Negi is there since Al is apparently showing Touta the past.
>>143102711
Yeah, the inn arc/filler was pretty cool chapters. Though I dislike Mizore's entrance.
A shame that the preceding arc is shit.
>>143102600
Yes to all.
>>143102773
succeeding*
It's just an image of Touta similar to how Negi showed Asuna his past. He won't do anything.
Touta can't interact there.
>UQ holder has Negima flashback
>might get more best girl Chisame
I'm ok with this
I don't get it, he is a clone of Negi and yet is a grandfather relation?
>4 chapters a month - roughly 72 pages
>1 chapter a month
>30-40 pages
Yeah this story won't ever finish
>>143104427
This just means it will end up like Negima.
>>143104482
you make it sound like totally ok with it.
>>143104427
But I thought super Touta was going to job the MotB and win Yukihimes heart and banish the evil Negi to the shadow realm!!
Damn, really got my hopes up it would be Chao.
Wonder how long the new arc will last.
>>143104482
Ken would have to cut all harem and fanservice bullshit just so the story could progress
which is kinda weird because he just spent like 6 chapters over 8 or so weeks on a jet ski race where the girls are naked and for some reason there is 3 Toutas
>>143102600
it sounds like shittty marvel retcons
>>143102600
>self insert himself
>>143098943
Now I'm curious which part of the past we're going to see.
>Pretty much just making it negima again.
>>143105814
Well, he always wanted to make a battle shounen and Negima was presented as something else at first and once he made it into one after all, it got canceled.
Afterward he started making a sequel set in the same world, battle shounen this time, and is slowly going back.
So yeah, maybe he planned it and we'll get a proper Negima explanation after all.
So Kotaro and maybe grandma Kaede are going to swoop in and kick some ass to get touta out of there right?
>>143101008
Seeing how Negima was "cancelled" because the bosses want to literally steal the rights from him and ditch him. So he cancelled the manga.
When do the Korean scans go up?
>>143105814
At least the chapter pages will be clearer unlike the clusterfuck that is negima.
>>143105338
He's got a terminal case of butthurt about the Dana arc.
>>143106398
Unless CR drops the series.
>>143106513
>Dana arc
I hope this gets animated. Dana and Kitty are the best.
>>143106623
They are a bit slow for monthly series don't they? Spirit Circle was quite behind.
>>143098943
Monthly flashbacks for a shitty monthly manga.
>>143104427
The flashback is probably gonna be Namek levels of long.
Also, I doubt Ken is gonna produce 30 to 40 pages a month when the average monthly SnK chapter is like 20 pages.
>>143106899
On the bright side, if this arc goes over 12 chapters we'll get Negima goodness for at least 1 year. It's the saving grace to this series.
>>143106694
Dana is just Rakan only less cool and funny.
>>143107016
Oh boy.
I'm glad to see Asuna.
She annoyed me in the beginning of Negima, but she ended up as my favorite when the series finished.
>>143107540
She developed very nicely. That's what I hope for in UQ but sadly good character development is absent here.
>>143107607
>good character development
All character development missing.
>>143107682
Well yeah. Not much has changed in UQ since day one.
>>143107838
Side character sure. But Touta did, more than Negi even. At least in comparable chapters.
>>143108079
Nah he still thinks he's invincible and brilliant
>>143108262
Touta never ever thought he was invincible. He thought of himself as a loser and that's what he has been for the majority of the series.
>>143108358
So why did he go up to the final boss with a half baked plan when Eva told him to run?
>>143108079
>But Touta did
How, hes still the same as he was from chapter 1 sans he knows a bit more about how hes a bastard.
>>143098943
Please no time travel, please no time travel
>>143109277
But the school festival arc was fun.
>>143106179
I hope but Ken hates Kotaro. It'd be cool if he'd train Touta and fight Rakan and/or negi but Ken isnt that cool.
>>143109315
Eight days later was better than anything in UQ so far
>>143109315
Yeah. When it was time travel within its own work. You don't go timetravelling into the plots of other series, even if they are a prequel work. Not unless your initial plot hook is "let's change the past to fix the future". Touta is Facebooking the entire cast and we're supposed to enjoy it. Imagine if Negi timetravelled into Rakans backstory to become BFF's with Ala Rubra? It's a mockery of bad writing and poor ideas akin to that, and it makes it sound like bad fanfiction. Imagine if two years ago if I had come here with a story about the clone of Negi and Asuna who had time traveled into the past and become Eva's first crush, I'd be laughed out of the mortal coil. Bad writing is inexcusable.
>>143110599
The bad writing started when Rakan/Kagetarou appeared.
>>143110599
It's just an image. Touta won't have any affect on Negi's past.
>>143111319
Until he uses his anti-magic power to break though time-space like he did in the Kitty arc.
>>143111444
Oh right I forgot Touta can do anything because he's a well-written character.
>>143111585
M8
Making Eva (one of) Touta's love interest was one of the biggest mistakes this manga made. Yes or no?
>>143112910
Yes. He never needed anymore love interests than Kuromaru. Implementing harem elements into this manga was a terrible idea. Mizore and Shinobu are loli bait, Kirie can fuck off and Karin was a lot better before she started liking Touta.
>>143109277
Time travel was a mistake, but sadly it used during the arc people like the most.
I just don't want any more of this Touta effecting the past shit, or at least if it does go down that route demonstrate that he's jumped to a new timeline. Multiverses are fine, but they also loose impact if your MC just jumps timelines until the find 'happy place' completely forgetting they've just abandoned their friends in timelines they've visited.
Still kid negi and asuna. This has to be before she's frozen, hopefully just negi/MotB reminiscing on the good times and not a full flashback.
>>143112910
>love interest
Eva isn't interested in him at all and was wet as fuck when Negi showed up
>>143113614
It should just go full rick and morty.
>>143101455
>>143101455
I think large parts of UQ were arcs that were to be dealt with down the line in Negima. As for old characters returning a fair few were immortal or long lived and clearly had importance or information about the larger lore. We did eventually get some tidbits about MotB.
The mistake was Touta. He should have just left off from the rushed ending just after the graduation. But he gave us final couples and a 15~ year time skip with dot point plot notes on things that happened, but then gave us a fake out ending with asuna.
Given how he's freely using the world, events and characters there's no legal reason why he couldn't retcon (even though I'd hate it) that ending and start from when asuna get timeline hopped.
In some aspects I think UQH being set in a timeline where Asuna's still frozen is better. The class is still shattered and she's had to basically sacrifice the last 10~ years and accept that basically everyone she knows will be dead. There's also her heritage to look into.
I ramble too much, Negima set up a lot of background lore it never got to answer, multiverse fucked it up even more, you can't please every group who wanted a different starting/ending point.
any links to the korean scans?
>>143101446
Considering it's a sequel, I think that's to be expected.
>>143112910
No, because Negi was shit and Touta is far more likable.
>>143115071
You okay, guy? That was an irrelevant comparison that had nothing to do with the question.
The switch from the maternal role she was playing is just so awkwardly handled.
>>143111585
You mean like how Negi did his pactio with Chachamaru?
Wait, what's happening here? UQ will be monthly from now on? Why?
>>143115510
He's not bending the rules of space and time to his whim
>>143113614
Time Travel is almost always a mistake for many narrative reasons, such as the fact that many events lose all tension when you can just get a redo, or even an undo. And if you're going to take the time travel away at the end, it's probably better to not use it.
>>143104120
Touta is going to rip through time and replace every instance of Negi with himself. It's going to be great.
>>143115579
You mean like Rakan did after he got key'd?
flashbacks next hmmm?
also is crunchyroll still going to release mothly releases of this or.?
>>143115555
We don't know.
Ken getting lazy? Not enough sales to out right cancel because contracts? Contracts? Material he wishes go into that WSJ won't allow (unlikely, already have heaps of death, even if not permanent)?
>>143115788
Yup, almost like Rakan is on another level than super Touta.
>>143117983
Oh just fuck off already, you whiny little cunt.
Touta didn't "bend the rules of space and time to his whim" you sniveling little cocksucker, he just punched through a window Dana opened. Dana opened the window, Touta just broke through the barrier with his anti-magic. Either stop acting like a retard, or get the fuck out of this thread. Fucking bitch.
>>143118044
Why are you so upset that your precious MC is just Natsu with anti magic?
>>143118184
I'm mad that every single fucking UQ Holder thread has to be derailed by an annoying little cunt who can't let go of the fact that Negima had a shit ending.
>Touta's time traveling again
Well alright, this seems interesting enough, I still wish Akamatsu would make a spinoff where Touta was 3-A's teacher, and Negi was the freak of nature science experiment
>>143118211
It had a shit ending but UQ isn't the best either anon.
>>143109277
>>143113614
>>143118614
It's not time travel.
Remember when Negi showed Asuna his past? It's like that. Touta even has the same washed out naked appearance she had during it, along with the little spirit trail attached to his head. He can't alter the past in that state, he's only observing it.
>>143119139
Ok, you know what? You're right. Negima is better than UQ Holder.
Congratulations. You win. Now shut the fuck up.
>>143111444
Have you forgotten that Dana is the Witch of the Rift? Have you forgotten her whole fucking castle was in some kind of space time dimension?
It's not the same thing. Touta could break the space because he was in a place that would allow him to. The place Al is showing him is a spirit world, Touta isn't actually being sent INTO the past.
So this Albiero Ima is definitely the real Albiero and not some MoTB fake? What about Rakan then? I know he's always been a bit of a loose cannon with equally loose affiliations, but to up and join the MoTB even if it is Negi is just..
>>143119697
OP didn't post the text spoilers but
>Rakan is attacked by a magic swords from Fate who appeared at his back
>“I can’t bear to see {you} not knowing anything”
Either he's a fake or he's been manipulated. But MotB never manipulated him when it took over Nagi, so who knows.
>>143098943
Negi and Asuna are shaded as Negima was.
I wonder if Ken's just doing that on purpose to imply "Negima world" or if he'll be switching back to this style for monthly.
>>143098943
Guys, someone here still cares about Yue?
I uploaded to sadpanda the last Yue doujin a few hours ago.
>>143119988
>Claim their manga will never be canceled since the magazine its on rarely cancel a series
>Ultra Quality holder got moved to other noname magazine
>Claim the new art style is "still good guise he's just drawing digitally now, but I swear it's as good as Negima"
>Akamatsu revert to his old drawing style.
LMAO
UQucks get BTFO again.
>>143120053
Link me or post it on another board
I think the problem is that Negima is overwhelming UQ too much.
Ken didn't pull them together well, UQ is being overshadowed completely instead of working with Negima.
UQ characters are suffering as a result, and that's a clear indication of how much the combo isn't working out. Ken's putting Negima into the manga too strongly, not just in terms of plot but even characters--the twins are a good example of this. Why make them look and act exactly like Konoka and Setsuna? It just feels like pandering instead of trying to make them interesting characters on their own.
I like UQ but it does feel like it hasn't been able to reach its full potential because of all the Negima. Its premise really is interesting, and the UQ cast are intriguing, but Ken has put them on hold for Negima's spotlight, and now we have people shitposting about how terrible UQ's writing and characters are all the time, as if the Negima stuff isn't being ham-fisted in crudely itself.
>>143120104
Please don't turn my observation into your biased shitposting. There's nothing wrong with UQ's simplified style, and there'd be nothing wrong with him putting in more detail for a monthly. It makes sense he would.
>>143120418
>I like UQ
Why?
>>143120646
I don't think you'd actually care for my answer and are just baiting.
>>143120418
I don't get this issue. Negima set up many of the things UQH is trying to tie up. You HAVE to bring in the old characters for this shit considering they are immortal and it's only 80~ years later. You'd be asking more questions of where are all the immortal characters are if it was done any different.
>>143120418
The problem with UQ is that despite the smaller cast the characters are not developed properly and often rushed into development. Karin just suddenly starts liking Touta for no other reason than Springfield genes. Kirie hasn't developed at all. Kuromaru had a lot of intrigue and then got made a background character. Same with Santa. Ikkuu could have an interesting story but he's just a background character.
UQ is about three characters currently: Touta, Eva, and Kirie. Touta is just a generic shonen hero without any interesting traits and Kirie is a generic tsun on par with Naru.
Then Mizore and Shinobu enter the picture and suddenly it becomes a harem series that nobody wanted. It's incredibly ironic that despite having a smaller cast overall Ken has not dedicated the proper time to develop them unlike Negima.
>>143120053
Shut up Mark
>>143120857
No, I think it's bad but I'm genuinely curious why someone would like it beyond something like cute girls, fanservice, shipping, or whatever the fuck. You said the cast was intriguing in your post. How? I feel like implications about the characters (Karin's backstory, for example) were or are interesting, but the events around them and their interactions are far too stereotypical to be remotely interesting and is mired in shit by making them fall in love with Touta. How can people who aren't horny 12 years old enjoy that specific aspect? Harem hijinks with tired archetypes, it's as if this thing is being written on auto pilot at times. Negima also had the same problem, but it's much worse in UQ Holder.
>>143120980
>forgetting that Karin had the early girl syndrome until it was transferred to Kirie
>>143121157
Doesn't excuse poor development for either. Karin has a very interesting backstory that could've been explored more (especially how she met Eva and why she wasn't present during Negima's story) but as soon as her chapters in the spotlight ended so too did her relevance to the story.
Kirie's just there for timehax and generic tsun activities.
Do you nostalgiafags ever get bored? Always saying, I don't like UQ because this, i don't like UQ because that. That's all you ae doing.What the fuck? And of course any kind of discussion will end up pointless because you will say that Negima is better in every way.
>>143121311
So explain why UQ is good. We're waiting.
>>143121358
To expand upon this, by this point in Negima we were kneedeep in the best arc the series had to offer with tons of interesting developments for many characters.
In UQ we just finished a horrific race that served no purpose other than loli fanservice and a few awkward laughs.
>>143121311
Such is life. No matter what you tell them, it just goes to deaf ear and then it all goes back to UQ is shit, Negima is better.
While it is 100% subjective, still Negima is better UQ is shit.
Just your usual, typical Negimafags.
>>143121220
The manga is not over mate. Obviously if Akamatsu brought it up it's because he plans to use it later.
>>143121358
Why don't you explain why Negima is so good first?
>>143121425
MM arc is easily the best part of Negima, the first half at least. But the introduction arcs were much more boring than UQH.
>>143121425
So tell us what's good about it.
>>143121439
Just like the nightmare circus, just like a lot of things that were eventually dropped from the story.
Those 5 wasted chapters of the retarded loli race could've been so much better spent, and now it's going to be 4 months before the story moves forward into a monthly format where the chapters may not be longer than the weekly ones.
I don't buy it. UQ has lots of interesting characters and stories that have been shoved aside for generic harem antics that don't make the story better in the least. It was far better when it was strictly action. There's no reason for this harem bullshit.
>>143120961
But see, no where am I saying you need to remove Negima. Ken planned this as a sequel from the start and that's not the issue. The Negima stuff is just too saturated, UQ's side is suffering as a result. They're not working together, Negima is just dominating.
>>143120980
I agree with you, but let's not act like Negima had already developed its whole cast by this point. There are a lot of characters who didn't get development until near the end, and some not at all. And Negima also had a lot of pointless side characters and rushed events (some of the girls who got pactios were all shoved into one chapter). Ken's writing issues with characters is not unique to UQ.
That's why all this arguing is tiresome. A lot of the problems people bring up with UQ can also be found in Negima's latter half, but you won't get anyone to acknowledge that.
I stopped reading Negima years ago. I can't even remember where I even left off.
I think worst girl was kidnapped and hidden in some castle or some other dimension. Negima became some Demon or something. I don't even know which chapters that fell around.
>>143120119http://exhentai.org/g/946968/855b342a30/
>>143121527
>Those 5 wasted chapters of the retarded loli race could've been so much better spent
I agree with this. But saying that many story elements have been dropped is too much since the story is not over. He gave hints, meaning that he will use them more later.
>>143121505
Negima introduces a lot of interesting characters with subtle nuances about them that gradually evolve into backstories and motivations for moving forward. Yeah each character doesn't get equal time but by the midpoint of the series we know at least half of the class and the intrigue is afoot to learn more about the ones that haven't been touched on. UQ needs a Kyoto-like arc to move the story forward and bring more characters into the fold. My question is how are we 120 chapters into the story without so much as an inkling of the remaining members of UQ? The guy with video game lives, the dark-skinned dude said to be #2 behind Eva? Yeah it's not easy to introduce everyone but there has been ample time to introduce at least one new member. It gets a little grating when you think of how the last Number to be introduced was Kirie almost 100 chapters ago.
>>143121533
Yes Negima has issues but there are also strengths that carry it forward. The supporting cast is strong with many interesting girls as well as the introduction of new characters like Rakan. UQ hasn't introduced a new member of the organization since somewhere around chapter 30. Santa has been a member for about 60 chapters and hasn't done a single thing. It's fine to alter the cast as the author sees fit but Santa is wasted potential. Think back to when Kotaro was introduced and how he was brought in by Natsumi and Chizuru, introducing an interesting dynamic that developed as the series went on. Sure Kotaro never reached Negi's level but he had plenty to do by himself and got his fair share of the spotlight. Santa meanwhile just rots in the background. It's infuriating when interesting characters are put into the background so Ms. Timehax can call Touta incompetent for the 54th time.
UQ's biggest strength is its characters but they simply aren't used effectively. And the harem shit can just fuck right off. It wasn't needed. Ever.
>>143121751
I hope so but the switch to a monthly format doesn't help that in the slightest, especially since the next 2-4 chapters are going to be spent with Touta in the past. It's very possible you won't see the rest of the numbers until well into 2017.
>UQ Holder is so shit it became a monthly thing instead of weekly
Wew, at this rate he will never finish this manga and will have to half-ass it again until he will bumrush to the finish line
Holy shit ever since the end of the Dana arc, this manga has been a clusterfuck. Ken needs to get his shit together.
>Negimafags are still mad that their shitty manga got cancelled
Just get over it already, it's been over 4 years.
>>143121978
And your manga effectively got cancelled with an even less satisfying ending. Enjoy not seeing your cast until 2019.
>>143121978
>deflecting on Negimafags about the issues with UQ
>>143122001
>>143122005
Enjoy your shit manga with one-dimensional characters that got a shitty rushed ending, nostalgiafags.
>>143121978
>got cancelled
After 9 years, 2 full anime series, a bunch of OVAs and specials, 2 PS2 games and 1 DS game
Meanwhile UQ Holder moved to a lesser publisher in 100~ chapters in just 2 years
>>143121123
>You said the cast was intriguing in your post. How? I feel like implications about the characters (Karin's backstory, for example) were or are interesting
You answered your own question. Did you miss where I said I feel like its potential hasn't been reached? Ken introduced a lot of characters with interesting aspects to them, but he does nothing with them, and now that the Negima stuff is going full-speed they've become even more irrelevant, their characters suffering as a result. I wasn't saying "I like UQ because the characters are intriguing," I was saying "I like UQ and it's disappointing these characters with potential aren't being used."
I've been disappointed with UQ the past few months, I don't like the fanservice or the harem hijinks or everyone falling in love with Touta, believe me. I actually think Mizore is the absolute worst character Ken could have ever introduced into this manga.
But I really liked UQ in the beginning. Touta and his interaction with Yukihime was far better at the start, too. I'm hoping once the Negima stuff settles down UQ will go back to how it was in the beginning. I don't really dislike any characters, I just want more from them.
>>143122062
That is precisely what's happening to UQ, kid. Negima's here to rescue your manga and that might still not be enough to save the series.
>>143122062
And yet those one-dimensional characters matter more in UQ Holder than anyone else in the manga
>>143122062
But I am reading UQ Holder.
>>143122087
Because Akamatsu is being lazy as fuck and doesn't want to do 18 pages a week anymore, just look at all those breaks he would take. Feel free to keep being delusional and go on about it being because it's not popular because Touta replaced your precious Mary Sue protagonist.
>>143122087
About a month ago UQ threads would barely reach 100 posts. Nobody cared about it. People would ask for rips and nobody would oblige. Interest in the series is up again.
>>143122200
But UQ isn't popular. At all.
>>143122230
>But UQ isn't popular. At all.
Source? Your ass doesn't count.
>>143122230
That's because it was going though that shitty ass loli race. Even the harem hijinks before that were still getting active threads and chapter dumps. I've been following UQ threads since the beginning, the decline in activity happened right at the start of that fucking race.
>>143122257
Go look at the sales. Find me some UQ merch. Show me the marketing for it. It's literally getting downgraded because nobody gives a flying fuck about it. Negima manga sales where around 200k a volume whereas UQ hits about 60k.
>>143122257
In comparison to Negima!, it's sales are on the mid-lower end of average. Each volume sales average around 40k-50k, while Negima was easily exceeding 100k+.
>>143122230
UQ threads only crop up when there are Negima characters around
>>143121763
I think it's like Negima, introduce characters THEN have them do something important 300 chapters later. 30 fucking girls were introduced in the beginning. 10~ or so are important whilst 5 or so were deeply magic related but DID NOTHING until MW end game.
I'd say Negima was somewhat bloated, half the kids were just not the right mindset for combat and they never should have all been given pactio. It was bloat it didn't need, whilst others were clearly suspicious as fuck but were written out until needed.
I think we'll get the same here, it's better than sudden introductions of literal whos when characters are meant to know them.
>>143122320
Well duh.
>>143122330
But we're 120 chapters in and we know maybe 5 characters that aren't from Negima and most of them don't get any screentime at all. It's almost all Touta/Kirie/Yukihime now.
>>143122330
Forgot to say, that I think Ken's doing what he can keeping to a formula he's known for/told to do. I enjoy the world more than the harem hijinks I don't really need them (unless a character ACTS on them and a relationship starts or someone actually fucks).
>>143122306
>>143122319
>he doesn't know that anime adaptations boost sales
Negima would be selling just as shit without an adaptation, kid.
>>143122368
The main problem I have with the harem hijinx is that they're entirely pointless because Touta only gives a shit about Yukihime. Mizore is so useless she's not even on Touta's radar.
>>143122385
Except Negima sold just as well years after its shit adaptations ended. By the time the anime comes out you'll only see a volume maybe twice a year.
>>143122385
It's sales were always high, though. Anime brought a few people in sure, but sales were overall the same start to finish, excluding the first and last volumes. We'll get an influx of new friends when the UQ anime hits, sure, but I highly doubt it'll push the sales numbers anywhere near Negima's.
>>143122385
>UltraQuality Holderfags pulling shit out his ass.
>>143122408
I can see UQ's strengths but the problem is they've all been shelved for Kirie and loli harem shit that frankly wasn't ever wanted or needed. Have Karin or Kuromaru done anything since their spotlight chapters?
>>143122306
>Find me some UQ merch.
Top kek, as if Negima merch is anything to boast about. The most valuable things are the pactio cards which only came with limited edition volumes and CDs. Also merch usually comes along when a series gets an anime to promote it, Negima was no different. UQ will probably get some merch with the anime.
It already got that Kirie blanket (?) and Kitty hug shirt, actually, but I think those were limited.
>>143101446
You don't understand.
>tfw no Santa relevence ever again
he's been the best thing to pop out of this fucking manga, but Ken hasn't given him any real screen time in like 2 years now. We're lucky if he gets a small line per chapter.
What the fuck are you doing, Ken?
>>143122495
So basically nothing. Its sales pale in comparison to Negima's.
and still nobody has told me what makes UQ good. All I get is Negima bashing.
>>143122536
B-But anon, we need more loli harem shit! Don't you love Kirie? and Shinobu/Mizore are so important to the plot!
God I'd rather see Touta bang Ayaka than have another Mizore chapter.
>B-But anon, we need more loli harem shit! Don't you love Kirie? and Shinobu/Mizore are so important to the plot!
The worst part is that they're watered down carbon copies of girls from Negima. Santa and Ikku are literally the only characters in UQ who are pretty unique and interesting, yet they get left in the dust. Make this suffering stop.
>>143122548
No one's bashing Negima. What people are probably trying to point out is that its not as flawless compared to UQ as you guys make it out to be.
Also sales arguments are frankly stupid.
>>143122584
Mizore is just a shitty Ayaka
Ayaka at the minimum does something even though she was shafted heavily during the Namek arc for no reason whatsoever
>>143122666
>Santa and Ikku are literally the only characters in UQ who are pretty unique and interesting
>forgetting Jinbei
Don't be like Ken, anon.
>>143122674
But nobody is pointing out UQ's strengths. In fact I've had to go and do it myself because nobody else will say anything about it. Like >>143122666 says the best characters are the ones that get shafted the most.
>>143122682
Mizore is just as pointless as Sarah McDougal in Love Hina.
>Ken said he created more male characters for UQ to bring in female readers
>throws them all aside for the girls
I don't think Ken understands you're supposed to actually give the guys panel time for such a ploy to work.
>>143122674
Negima definitely wasn't perfect, but it never got this disjointed and fucked until the very end, and that was due to publishing issues. We're only a little over 100 chapters in UQ, and it's already getting constant delays, inconsistent plot, ignored characters.
>>143122726
Jinbei is one of my favorite characters that have shown up in the manga so far, but he's essentially a male Kaede - not that I'm complaining.
>>143101274
Camp A:
>negima is utter shit bash it at every chance
Camp B:
>UQ is shit, negima left overs ruin it
Camp C:
>UQ would be better without all the negima bloat and throw back
Camp D:
>UQ would be better if it cleared up the left over plot lines of negima
So many camps and you can't please them all. All want different things.
>>143122795
>but it never got this disjointed and fucked until the very end
It did. Many arcs were random as fuck. Especially the ones with forced romance.
>>143122666
>The worst part is that they're watered down carbon copies of girls from Negima
Can you stop with this paranoia? These are character archetypes. Reading your post it's like Negima had invented anything.
>>143122682
What Ken did to Mizore, Shinobu, and Karin was a fucking disgrace.
The only character to have their interest in Touta justified was Kirie, Kuromaru, and Shinobu. And out of those three Kirie is the only one that had it written decently.
>>143122853
Like which arcs? The MW arc I'll give you but the Kyoto and Mahorafest arcs were not that random at all.
>>143122889
The problem is that they're just not great characters. Mizore serves no purpose whatsoever.
>>143122815
Heck I enjoy UQ Holders until the past few thread. I started shitposting here when UQcucks fags started complaining about "muh nostalgiafags".
And they had the galls to play victims when they are the one that started it.
>>143122666
Most of the girls in Negima are just carbon copies of the girls from Love Hina.
Remember that boring swimmer girl who looks exactly like Motoko that Ken claimed she would be important "later"? Yeah, what a bummer.
How can we forget that Naru was split into two?
>>143122938
And wouldn't you know it, both Chisame and Asuna were better than Naru.
Meanwhile Kirie is in no way superior to Chisame.
>>143122746
>But nobody is pointing out UQ's strengths.
>Cast easier to deal with.
>No stupid plot armor due to immortality
>Much less random
The rest is typical Ken as was Negima and it's good. Saying that the cast doesn't get developed is also ignoring past arcs and only focusing on the present. Kirie is the only one who is static. Kuroumaru got development, Santa did, Touta did, and Karin, along with Shinobu got minor character development as well. Yes, the race was far too long but it had a few interesting things. As for Mizore Ken gave hints about her future role in the story.
>>143122969
>Meanwhile Kirie is in no way superior to Chisame.
>being this shit taste
>>143122923
Not him but the Sports Fest arc was a god damn travesty. It honestly made me despise half of the class (when prior I was just indifferent). Negi didn't deserve any of that.
It was basically the loli race of Negima.
>>143123032
So tell me how she's superior to Chisame. I'll wait.
>>143123021
But Ken isn't using the cast to their strengths at all. The more interesting characters like Karin, Ikkuu and Santa are completely ignored in favour of Shinobu and Mizore.
Santa has literally not done a single thing since he was brought into UQ Holder some 60 chapters ago. When Kotaro was brought onto Negi's team he immediately went into action.
>>143123059
That's fair. Anything after the MW arc is a clusterfuck. But to say the other arcs were random is bizarre.
>>143122923
You like some girls in negima more while you don't like UQH ones so they are not great characters? Isn''t that purely subjective? They are not ripoff, they are character archetypes. Not many Negima girls were that good anyway, because of the too large cast. When you talk about great characters, you only think of your favorite in Negima, right?
