If Yamcha had continued his training could he have atleast been strong enough to fight cell or buu? Or atleast be more competent in his fighting skills?
>>142655255
>150x112
Somehow very fitting.
Is Yamucha the definition of JUST?
No, Tenshinhan barely managed to be useful against Buu and he always got bigger gains than Yamcha and he also has the haxxed attack that is the Shin Kikoho
What if Yamucha and Son Goku had switched places?
Yamcha is always the first caw I make
>>142655255
>Yamcha
>Fighting Cell or Buu
Ahahaahahahaahaha yeah no. He's probably somewhere around Ginyu force level and I honestly believe Krillin or Tenshinhan who not like him even continued to train are not even Freezer level. Talking about good old Freezer here, not the shit we got today.
>>142655255
No because with Yamcha the problem is not the lack of power but his incompetence.
>>142655255
The reason he stopped training is the same reason he can't beat boo.
>>142658622
>>142656240
I don't know what to make of the fact that I know what a caw is without any context
Isn't he a baseball player? Why should he continue fighting?
>>142655255
No
Tien trains all the fucking time and he's barely stronger than Krillin apparently.
The point is that he, along with Yamcha are just humans, and once Super SAIYANS became a thing, there's a genetic lock out, so fuck these characters. They physically cannot become any stronger than a Saiyan, no matter how hard they try
Hell, DB Super doesn't even bother with the fucking half-breeds anymore.
>>142659764
We need a súper human. Is not like The humans are The same as us humans.
>>142655255
Krillin was strongest human with highest potential. Possibly excluding uub
Why doesn't anyone with to be stronk like san gacku?
If Bulma is so worried about her appearance, why doesn't she just ask Shenlong to make her young again?
>>142659857
Sounds like a good dragonball wish, the defenders of the fucking universe need more peeps so a small wish like uncapping the limitations on human power levels should be justifiable.
>>142660607
Wouldn't there be an issue regarding this? During the Saiyan arc, shenron is incapable of removing the saiyans Vegeta and Nappa and they were between 4k and 9k in power levels... for the humans, they must be in the hundreds of thousands maybe even in the millions, could Shelton actually make the humans stronger or even remove whatever limitations they face regarding their power limits?
>>142655255
Wasn't there a fan comic where Yamcha from an alternate universe became a cyborg and kicked ass?
>>142660910
>Shelton
>>142661179
I didn't notice that... stupid phone, it changes every name.
I just tried to type shenron and it changed it to both Shelton and Denton....
>>142660910
He can make people immortal, there is no reason why he couldn't remove the power limitations on humans. The humans would still have to make themselves stronger.
Something has always bothered me about DBZ.
>Gohan is strong enough to beat Perfect Cell
>Perfect Cell shits on the androids
>In AU, the androids destroy a Gohan that's been training for years
>>142661378
Well, I don't think that Gohan ascended to SSJ2. I guess.
Power levels are bullshit okay?!
I've always wondered why one of these morons have never even once thought to just wish themselves saiyan. It's the only way to keep up and Shenlongs granted dumber wishes.
>>142661512
Because toriyama is a moron and the fan base loves goku too much.
>>142659291
Create A Wrestler
I once written a story of Yamcha going to planet Namek and wishing to of become a saiya-jin who is super. I got a B-
>>142661378
A couple reasons. First no hyperbolic time chamber training that actually put them above the androids in that timeline. Two, I believe they were stated to be stronger and bigger assholes because Gero completed them instead of working on himself and the fat mimedroid.
Yamucha deserves his own mini saga where he redeems himself.
>>142655255
Why dont they just let Krillin sneak attack everyone with destructo discs?
Why doesnt anyone else even try to put that move to use? I can imagine after some training you'd be able to fucking do a barrage of the fucking things or something.
I never understood why Yamcha and the other humans did ever learn or use Kaio-ken. It seemed like a way to help them stay a little more relevant.
>>142659857
No we don't there are plenty of other stories were humans end up defeating or even slaving aliens, angels, demons, monsters, ancient horrors, more advanced civilization for bullshit reasons.
>>142655844
Earth would have been fucked the second piccolo tried to take over it.
>>142663649
Kienzan stopped being useful after the cell saga
cell stopped it easily and even if it had managed to hit him cell can just regenerate, same for buu
beerus at a whole other level and knows a lot of stuff about ki, he can even compress goku's kamehameha so he can obviously do the same with a kienzan
>>142663838
>Hey guys do you want to learn this borderline suicide technique? It hurts like hell it and burs your ki like crazy but it makes you temporally stronger.
You have to be stupid and 100% dedicated to martial arts to be interested in such a thing. The only one besides Goku that might be interest would be Tenshinhan but he already has a life risking move and he mellowed before DBZ started.
>>142661512
Maybe they don't want to turn into evil bastards?
>>142664587
All Tien did was train though all through DBZ and eve after. Plus he has an ability that allows him to copy techniques only after seeing them once. It's how he used the Kamehameha.
The only reason I've seen that sort of makes sense why humans couldn't or didn't use it was because their bodies couldn't withstand it, but that seems like a cheap excuse. Especially when they were far stronger and durable than what Goku was when he trained there first.
>>142664834
When Piccolo fought Gero he said that he could multiply his power in short bursts. I interpreted that to mean he learned some variation of the Kaioken that isn't visible but is less likely to destroy your body.
When Tenshinhan is training with Kaio he says something like "Just learning from him won't be enough, I'll have to put my own spin on his techniques" so it kind of fits.
>>142661378
Gohan was trained by his father for approximately 4 years. Goku isn't good for much but the dude is a fighting prodigy.
>>142664492
>Kienzan stopped being useful after the cell saga, cell stopped it easily
Not canon, that only happened in the anime. According to Toriyama himself, the kienzan cuts tru anything and bypasses ki level. Still as you said it wouldn't have been effective since Cell could just regenerate.
>>142663838
>Yamcha and the other humans did ever learn or use Kaio-ken.
Fuck off stop whoring out Goku's moveset to other characters let them get their own moves.
>>142661378
Gohan is all but useless without having someone hold his hand.
>>142665518
But they trained under the same master. So it would make sense they would know the same moves.
>>142665918
Don't care, why would anyone want to have a series where the majority of characters have the same moveset?
>>142666208
Also people act like Kaio-ken is easy to learn.
I wonder if he could have used residual Ki to revive after one of his many deaths.
>>142666489
I forgot how gigantic gokus ears were
>>142666208
Well all of Goku's moves are learned from other characters. They aren't really his own. I mean it isn't like the Kaio-ken was used much after Freeza anyway. So it wouldn't have stepped on Goku's toes.
>>142666489
Well they didn't need to master all of what King Kai taught Goku. Just the Kaio-ken. Goku could have kept the spirit bomb himself as his marquee finishing movie.
>>142657263
Tien is passed Freiza level.
>>142664450
No I mean like in terms of battle power and competency too.
I don't understand, if his race is all about transformation how could his poison spike be cheating? Is it a natural transformation or fake implant?
>>142667996
It was an artificial implant.
Not in his lifetime. Olibu had to be dead for hundreds of years before he could be at a lower Pikon level.
>>142661327
>He can make people immortal
The fact that the creator of the Dragonballs isn't immortal himself, is proof that it isn't a valid wish.
1.Grow up as an Orphan in a desert wasteland with a cat as only your friend.
2.Dream Of becoming a husband despite being terrified of women
3.Save a girl and monkey boy.
4.Move to the city for the girl you're in love with.
5.Stay loyal to her despite mistreatment.
6.Die fighting for her and Earth.
7.Girl leaves you for the guy responsible for your death.
8.Get killed multiple times despite constant training as you live in a world where race matters.
9.Douchebag "friends" show no sympathy
10.DIe alone never finding love.
11.Memory tarnished in bad fan fiction
But hey, least he never complained.
>>142664834
The point is that even as a kid Goku was able to do things that only expert martial artist were capable of do. Remember that Bulma headshot him in chapter one? He was bullet and fire proof since day one.
It doest matter how memorable the Goku Vs Tenshihan was. When you think about it was a battle between an short kid against a tall, buff, flying guy with three eyes. So a guy with big muscles is struggling to defeat a kid you can only assume that the adult is a pussy or the kid is an monster.
>>142661378
Gohan got stronger by sparring against another Goku, both as Super Saiyans, and training with the method Goku developed. Time Chamber also had increased gravity for bigger gains.
Future Gohan got neither of those things.
>>142668466
What bad fan fiction?
>>142668605
Every DBZ fanfic ever.
>>142668466
Bullma married Nappa?
>>142668679
Saibaman. Yamcha was killed by a Saibaman
>>142668466
You're missing the point
>Be martial arts enthusiast with deathly fear of women
>Overcome fear and become boyfriend of richest girl on the planet
>Train with greatest martial arts master
>Train with the greatest martial arts cat
>Train with god
>Train with super god
>Girlfriend breaks up with you because you're too attractive
>Sleep around
>Hang out with your weird martial arts friends every time the world is in danger
Yamcha is living the dream. He's a handsome super-powered bachelor with no responsibilities. He's close friends with the richest person in the world. He has nothing but free time, and he's not so autistic that he has to spend it all training.
>>142667996
According to the referee, there were clear signals of body modification.
>>142668708
I suppose Joe Chill didn't kill Batman's parents, it was the bullet that killed them.
>>142668827
Either way it was not Vegeta.
He should just wish to be an android. At least that would make him stronger than a generic super saiyan. Works pretty well for 17 and 18.
>>142668536
Goku wasn't really a kid then. Wasn't he like 14 or 15? Tien was only 4 years older than him.
>>142668893
"I wish to be as strong as goku!"
Simple as that.
>>142668975
Would that mean he'd get to be as strong as Goku at the time he made the wish or he will always be as strong as Goku even if he don't train himself?
>>142668975
ShenLong's a cunt, and won't do that.
Before you mention Dragon Ball Online, that was only for Gameplay, and the Humans were actually saiyans.
>>142659857
Honestly?
If DB Super made some asspulls to make Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and Tien the new team, I'd take it. I'd take it in a heartbeat.
But no. Fuck everyone who isn't Goku and Vegeta. Everyone who isn't Goku and Vegeta, fuck them for not fighting endlessly
>>142665518
>Fuck off stop whoring out Goku's moveset to other characters let them get their own moves.
This series has characters stealing other people's moves all the fucking time. Goku avoids getting killed by Vegeta by using Taiyoken.
>>142666489
Piccolo could hearn it.
Shit, if anyone should be using it, it should be Piccolo!
>>142669203
>Watching a shonen even though the MC is not your favorite characters.
Are you a masochist?,
>>142668748
Basically this.
Yamcha is the alpha who took Bulmas V-card, enjoyed their relationship during the prime years of their lives
and
Vegeta is the beta schlub who married her and settled when she was starting to get old and her titties were first starting to sag.
>>142660273
That would be glorious!
>>142668466
>Is not fair! He suffers and his girlfriend dumped him.
I am starting to see what kind of people feel identified with Yamcha.
>>142669571
You think? Just look at this projection >>142669426
>>142669352
I used to like Goku a lot.
But Super is really making him into an irresponsible jackass.
And I'm just sick and tired of Vegeta, he doesn't deserve to get his dick sucked this hard.
>>142669791
Don't worry, the dub will make him the noble superman you're more familiar with.
>>142669287
>Taiyoken
What?
>>142670030
Solar Flare.
>>142669426
>Bulma's V-card
Making a lot of assumptions there.
>>142670071
Damn, honestly the dub names are more fitting.
>>142670397
http://thedaoofdragonball.com/blog/martial-arts/taiyo-ken-explained/
>>142669791
This is how anime Goku has always acted.
>>142670397
That's just because you're used with it. The dub I grew up with kept the technique original names so I find the english translated names very weird and unfitting sometimes.
Not really in Solar Flare's case because it keeps the original name's idea, and sounds cool. It's a good translation for a technique.
Stuff like Special Beam Cannon, on the other hand, are just cringeworthy to me.
>>142670562
Yeah, but the literal translation is a mouthful, and Makankosapo is hard to pronounce.
Destructo Disk kind of works, but it's pretty cheesy.
Being a sayian dosen't matter nearly as much as people think it does. Yamcha has far surpassed raditz in every way.
>>142670490
I think all that dao stuff is just really overthinking it. I don't think that thecnique's name is meant to convey more that the "Sun Fist" idea. I just don't see Toriyama putting a lot of thought about martial arts phylosophy as he wrote DB.
>>142669426
>Solar Flare.
>>142669352
>What is One Piece
It's not like only the main protagonist and his "rival" have to be the only ones who can have good battles and win against major antagonists.
Hell, Brook and Franky aren't even that popular in Japan but they still get to do cool shit every now and then.
These days Dragonball just shoves the humans and other side characters into our faces just to say "Hey remember these old characters? They're still around!"
>>142670755
Not to mention the whole part about "I'll educate your about what a Solar Flare is so you'll see the name makes no sense" is really obnoxious. That text as a whole comes off as obnoxious.
It's more about the image the name "Solar Flare" evokes than what an actual solar flare is.
>>142668300
Hercules is cool.
>>142669426
>Bulmas V-card
im sure bulma lost her v-card even before dragon ball started
I bet if Tien got a powerup he would be rekting shit. He has a superior fighting style.
>>142668466
At least he has an identity outside of a realdoll wife
>>142669737
Now that is a serious accusation anon
>>142669426
>Yea is just like she dumped him is more she was not good enough for him anymore man.
Nevermind they are cucks.
>>142672394
>>142669737
SameFag alert
>>142655255
guaren pls
>>142664317
We need a story where more than 2 characters are ever relevant, dumbass.
Nobody actually thinks Super is a good story, right?
>>142670748
That's because Raditz never heard of the concept of training. Saiyans have far more potential than anyone else and if did so, Raditz would be stronger than tge Z fighters.
>>142672536
According to Attack of The Saiyans, Raditz doesn't believe in training.
>>142672606
I know DB has never had good writing, but goddamn that's immensely retarded. It should be the exact opposite for a warrior race. Just look at Vegeta.
Looking back, it's genuinely surprising how DB got so popular. Did nobody realize how terrible the story and characters were?
>>142669791
he was always an irresponsible retard lol
the english dub portrays him as a savior when he's just a dumbass who wants to punch anyone who looks interesting
>>142672757
I'm gonna assume by not believing in training he means the only worthwhile way of getting stronger is fighting and conquering, which to be fair as long as it works and you don't get yourself killed is still effective. Especially if you get badly wounded and get your bulllshit Sayain power up from it.
>>142672757
Wasn't their form of training just going from planet to planet fighting and conquering the inhabitants? I imagine Frieza prevented them from doing so out of fear.
>>142668397
Some people don't want to be inmortal, anon.
>>142672909
You should read the manga, Toei fucked up Goku just as much as Funimation did.
>>142671873
>trunks went super saiyan to win that fight
pussy
>>142667738
Then it would be the same story except with their roles switched? How is this even a question? Do you have autism?
>>142672909
The dub has always played him as both. They acknowledge his Superman inspirations and given him a few serious good guy bones but at heart Goku will always be that guy who wants to eat a big meal and punch the strongest guy in the room.
>>142672200
Is there porn of her?
>>142669203
>Tien
>Not Krillin
I just like Krillin a lot better.
>>142673486
Yes, imagine all the goku is weak meams. Yamucha for life! Muhahahaha!
>>142673546
She's a step above a stick figure. You can make porn of her yourself.
>>142673486
>>142673717
Yeah, but Goku's got those special Saiyan attributes like being default stronger than an average human and for becoming stronger after ever near death situation.
Plus, Saiyans as a warrior race have a propensity towards fighting.
>>142673846
But you need skill to make non-hot thing hot.
>>142673983
Fair enough.
>>142673914
Pardon? DBZ is non cannon, only DB counts.
>>142672757
DB got popular because it started as a charming action-adventure story with an endearing sense of humor and nice art. I'm not a big fan of anything after Goku's first fight with Vegeta, but the appeal is obvious.
>>142655255
No, he would have peaked at around Freeza's level.
>>142674131
All that shit is in the manga, entitled, "Dragon Ball".
>>142674224
Then why is it called Z? It goes dragon ball, dragon ball z, dragon ball GT, and a partridge in a pear tree
>>142674319
They added the Z part because of the anime.
>>142674319
It's like what >>142674380 said.
It was decidedly divided for the anime.
>>142669287
>Not Yamcha
>>142661512
Never mind those fucks. Saiyan Chi-Chi or Bulma would do things to muh dik.
>>142674602
They'll just have a monkey tail.
They'll basically become 10% furry.
>>142672606
>>142672757
>Taking a video game in which Toriyama wasn't involved as canon
Jesus you faggot are retarded.
>>142666504
That's just silly. Quit clowning around.
>>142655255
Hahahaha.
No.
>>142675012
I never figured out how to watch webms or posts embeds, how do you do it?
>>142655551
Spanish word for no señor, that therevfella is being of that guy is who is referred to as and goes by the name or calling card of Prince Virginia Vegeta-San
>>142675012
The way the Soukidan is done and how they made it for the game was that it doesn't just outright do damage upon impact, but beats up on you once it reaches you. Just how the move is like in the manga and anime.
It's been awhile since I played this game, but I'm pretty sure that had he countered with Kamahameha, he could have had it clash with the Minus Energy Power Ball.
>>142670552
Compare Goku from the Saiyan Saga to how he is now.
>>142675012
Yamcha couldn't stand GT either
I have an idea for a funny thread, reenact an episode of dbz but as Doug characters.
Why is GT so bad?
Yamcha could have been the strongest human because he had the most natural Ki manipulation ability of any human. Anyone who has seen DB or read the manga knows this. He stops training once he realizes he'll never be as strong or talented as Goku, but yes, if he had never become discouraged and had actually maintained his power curve instead of just going back to being a normal person and then putting up the tough guy facade when the z fighters "need" him then he would have been able to at the very least exploit his natural Ki talents to form techniques like Krillins frisbee of doom that would allow him to be a deadly threat to opponents much higher in power level than him.
But no he had to be a little bitch instead.
>>142677802
>allow him to be a deadly threat to opponents much higher in power level than him
In the Dragon Ball universe power level is everything. You *cannot* stand up to opponents stronger than you are leave alone be a deadly threat to them.
>>142663285
no the ones from the future were weaker
when trunks did his full power attack when 17 and 18 were about to release 16 he didnt even phase them and they even broke his sword. Considering he had been using it for years on the future androids.
at some point trunks even mentions that going to the past they are stronger then what he was fighting in the future
>>142655255
>Garlic
Why this dude and his father had vegetable names? Are them saiyajins too?
>>142655255
Tien trained 24/7 and didn't achieve shit,so no.
>>142677802
Reading the DB manga for the first time, gotta say I love Yamucha as a goofy villan, it's truly tragic what happens to him, I wonder if Toriyama has a reason why he picks on him so much...
>>142670748
Has Raditz even shown up in anything after the first story arc in DBZ?
Every time these thread comes up it's
>muh krillin
>muh tien
Think about this idiots; what if Yajirobe actually trained?
This dude had a ridiculous base level for a human. Assuming he's just a normal human since he's never been given any real back story.
>Doesn't train
>Lazy as shit
>Strong as fuck when he's first met
>Eats like a Saiyan
>Chops off Vegetas tail
Yajirobe would be the strongest.
>>142680549
No, I think he was mentioned a once by Vegeta and another time by Gohan but that's it.
I thought it was always strange how Radditz, despite being the protagonists brother was killed of pretty quickly and then never mentioned again. Usually the sibling(s) of a main protagonist play a major role in the story. Toriyama probably either forgot him, or just doesn't give a shit about any saiyan that isn't Goku and Vegeta.
>>142682067
you're right but he did sort of train a bit with karin, low oxygen and the high altitude make it so everything is 10x as hard. also karin is a dick who will throw your shit off the tower so you have to go down and climb back up.
