So I'm about to start the reading Heaven's Feel and people told me that Shinji has been raping Sakura for years? So the heroine I'm going to romance is not a virgin? Or is it bullshit?
Sakura is a breeding sow. She's fucked more men than Shinji.
What you need to know about Sakura:
- she's an educated prostitute
- and a murderer in denial
- and worst TM girl
Enjoy the ride, HF is good because of Ilya, Zouken, Rider, based Shinji and every other character laying their real cards. And DESPITE Sakura.
Sakura is beautiful and Shinji is a faggot, that's all you need to know.
She's an educated prostitue who knows men.
>>142563881
If you're gonna make a fuss about murdering then pretty much all TypeMoon girls are murderers with the exception of Hisui.
Even Saber was about to kill Waver when she charged at Rider.
>>142563701
Saber wasn't a virgin either.
>>142563913
Shinji...I don't get why he gets all the hate on /a/. FSN is just written to make him out as the bad guy, when really he's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better person than most of them.
What are the main complaints? He raped Sakura and stole Rider to use in the war?
Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Sakura. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Sakura.
Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. Shinji knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Sakura want.
And there's this other big bitch you guys have with him. He supposedly stole Rider and used her in the war for his own greed.
Objection! He was worried about his one and only precious sister. Is keeping your loved ones from a brutal war so wrong? When Shirou does the same thing to Saber it's like 'oh he's so manly', but when Shinji does it it's wrong? He just wanted to protect Sakura. He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.
The story was written to make that faggot Shirou look good. Objectively, Shinji is a far better character than Shirou. At least he has the balls to take action decisively instead of dicking around like Shirou, and if he weren't stuck with the weak ass servant Rider and no plothax he probably would have won the war.
>>142564021
>Shinji...I don't get why he gets all the hate on /a/.
Umm....He raped a girl that was abandoned by his family instead of helping her as her adoptive older brother?
>>142564145
hello tumblr
now, leave
>>142563754
How many men did Shinji fuck?
Yes, but they only did anal, the hymen still there, my allah kebab friend.
>>142564652
no it's not
Shirou even canonically comments Sakura's cunt feels loose
all this Sakura blaming is getting tiresome
>>142564015
She was.
>>142564891
She isn't a futa virgin though.
>>142564324
>A girl can't be a rape victim
Fuck off misogynist fag
>>142564957
Magical futa doesn't count.
Saber is pure.
>>142565306
Her own sister rode her dick Saber is not a virgin
>>142565358
Since it's two girls, it's the purest form of love. Saber is still a virgin.
>>142565358
Her hymen was still intact. How the fuck is she not a virgin?
Just a reminder purity fags, virginity is a social construct.
>>142563701
Sakura have been raping Shinji for years.
>Wormslut
>Virgin
Pick one and only one.
>>142565523
No. It is literally a membrane in pussy, it's physical as fuck
>>142565659
Sakura.
>>142565459
>>142565666
>ITT:dicks don't have virginity
kek.
>>142565708
Male and female virginities are not the same, next time specify which one do you mean.
>>142565659
The latter. I get voices, new CGs and an extra ending to Fate to go with it, so the choice is obvious.
>>142563701
>raping
Bo he hasn't.
>>142563881
The resolution of your pic says it all about people who think like you.
>>142564021
My favourite pasta, it's been a while since I saw you.
>>142566363
>unthinkable for her usual self
Your bait's so poor it falls apart on its own.
>>142566448
>muh insanity
>>142566519
Pretty clear she's having a mental breakdown there, yeah. Hardly very reliable thoughts.
>>142563701
>2016
>Giving a shit about virginity
>>142566659
>muh mental breakdown
>>142566659
Everyone in the Matou house was insane, but I bet you don't excuse Shinji or Zouken's actions ever.
>>142563701
Well at least she hasn't been raped by penis worms every day. Oh wait.
>>142566826
Nice Youtube screenshot. Do you stream your anime there too?
>>142566869
They weren't possessed and mind corrupted by literally all evils of the world.
>>142566978
None of their actions were nearly as bad as hers. Neither went on mass killing sprees for he hell of it. Proportion to their insanity and their actions, they're all even.
>>142567074
>Neither went on mass killing sprees for he hell of it.
Funny, because neither did Sakura. She only ever killed four characters who were involved in the grail war and were plotting to make her suffer and die for their own purposes.
Heaven's Feel was a mistake.
>>142567289
You mean the scene where the (mistaken, as proven later on) thought that it could have been her who did it drives her insane? Hardly the kind of reaction someone who murders for the hell of it would have.
>>142567368
So she can't be held accountable because she was insane?
I remember reading somewhere that Nasu was only partially responsible for HF. Is is true?
>>142567468
No.
>>142567460
Well that's how current law works.
>>142567532
>Well that's how current law works.
I'd be fine with that if Sakurafags weren't hypocrites who only applied that to her but not the other Matous.
>>142567460
She can't be held accountable because it literally wasn't her that did it.
>>142567591
Narration>dialogue, see>>142563881
>>142564021
>He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.
Still gets me.
>>142567680
>this meme again
Kotomine's not even talking about the shadow there, he's talking about Dark Sakura. Different things.
>>142567860
Dark Sakura controls the shadow, subconsciously or not.
>>142567916
Funny how the shadow's killing sprees stopped as soon as she became Dark Sakura, huh?
>>142568038
Yeah, when Zouken started ordering her around again. A true hero. He saved a lot of people from that monster, even while he was insane.
>>142563701
She's not a virgin, but it was literal rape as literal as it can get, even if others try to lie or make it into something else as a joke.
For eroge girls, you don't have the slut stigma when they're not just slutting around, but instead were raped like Kohaku.
>>142568238
Kohaku is a million times better than Sakura in every way.
>>142568122
He could order her around precisely because she felt bad about what the shadow did and thought she was beyond redemption.
>>142568367
She was right.
>>142568333
>Sakura: 6822 points
>Kohaku: 5307 points
The fans disagree.
>>142568456
>good characters are at the top
Saber is the best character TM has ever created then.
>>142568420
Clearly not, since she was the heroine of the final route and got a happy ending.
>mfw the rinfags are still here
Could you fuck off with your generic tsunshit? Thanks.
>>142568540
>can only get a happy ending if superior characters willingly die for her
>>142568526
I agree.
>>142568612
>wormfags falseflagging as Saberfags
How sad.
>>142564145
>Ummm...
Why do stupid cunts talk like this?
>>142568609
Good thing there are none.
>>142568666
Nice try, Satan.
Shirou literally says her pussy is loose and that she was clearly experienced.
So yeah, she's a used whore.
>>142568666
>Rinfags are satan
>>142568753
>Good thing there are none.
I agree, none of Sakura's ending hare happy because she gets to live in both.
Wow Rin is really evil in HF. She basically calls Sakura a monster when she cries for help, and she knew everything she went throught.
Fuck that bitch, she doesn't act like a sister
>>142568666
Nope. I couldn't give less of a shit about Sakura. Seiba best girl.
Wormslut is worst Type-Moon
>>142568762
>loose
He literally say "it's so good i'm going to vomit" from pleasure
or say how her pussy literally milking his semen out of his dick. think how much tight it is, anon.
Literally Semen demon.
>>142568862
That's because she's an educated prostitute. Shinji taught her well.
>>142568923
fuck off Shinjifag
>>142568995
He's the reason Sakura is good at the only ting she's good at, sex.
>>142568792
>she doesn't act like a sister
No she doesn't. She's acting like a responsible magus. Or at least she was trying to, she failed when she didn't kill Sakura as soon as she noticed what was going on.
>>142568862
Are you trying to deny that she isn't s virgin? I think getting raped by your family over and over would leave you pretty loose.
Regardless, she's so boring. Cooks and cleans, wow. The least talented heroine in this entire franchise. We have a female King Arthur, a powerful imouto from one of the oldest families, and a prodigy mage who was a proven competent fighter.
Then there's this fat cow with a loose cunt that needs other characters to die for her mistakes.
Enjoy the taste of shinji's semen when you eat out that rancid snatch.
>>142568995
No one likes Shinji.
Poor Shinji.
>>142569053
>Cooks and cleans
And even n that field she looses to Rin's superior cooking.
Seibah = Rin > Taiga > Ridah > Shinji > Shit >>>>>>> Wormslut
>>142563701
Kid, go read something good.
The whole fate is pile of disgusting shit.
>>142569053
She's got raped. and nope, she isn't a roastie anyway. Read again the stupid H-Scene.
>blandest king
wow, so INTERESTING.
Wonder how Fate route is such a borefest. Arturia is fucking boring, only as Alter she worth a shit because as Alter she know how much of a shitty king she is.
>Generic tsunshit
Amazing. so interesting! another shitty generic tsunshit with literally the same design from everywhere, literally "perfect" and all her flaws are exist to make her more "cute". how fucking original. Literally the worst shit.
>Ilya
She's actually good, wish how she had a route instead of Rin.
Sakura at least did bring something new in 2004. which is Heroine-turned-into-villain and still the love interest of the main character.
>>142569301
>Sakura at least did bring something new in 2004. which is Heroine-turned-into-villain and still the love interest of the main character.
>wormfags actually believe this
>>142569201
Good taste.
If people hate Sakura for killing while being influenced by Avenger, do these people also hate Shiki for raping while under the influence of Roa?
>>142569382
compared to the shit that is Rin or the blandest dull shit that is Arturia? yeah, she did bring something new instead of "flawless boring shit"
Shinji is so manly and sexy. I never understood why Sakura would still be interested in Shirou after getting a taste of Shinji.
>>142569201
You forgot the beginning
Illya > Seibah = Rin > Taiga > Ridah > Shinji > Shit >>>>>>> Wormslut
>>142569301
>"Cocks! COCKS! Gorillion of cocks entering my boipuccy! I want to drink your cockmilk, cocks!" - anon
>>142569301
>Sakura at least did bring something new in 2004. which is Heroine-turned-into-villain and still the love interest of the main character.
Higurashi came out 2 years before FSN.
Rinfags are cancer.
>>142569301
Jesus, that image is some extremely pathetic projection.
>b-bland
Magical genderbent King Arthur > prostitute
>can't even come up with anything for Rin so just calls her generic
This is coming from a fan of the basic bitch who literally just cleans and gets raped? My fucking sides.
>heroine turned into villain but MC still loves her
This is literally Greek myth, redone in every possible medium and corner of the world. It's not new at all. But you're not even arguing about her character qualities here. You're using the plot of her story where she's just a plot device.
>>142569426
I don't hate her for killing people, but killing thousands is not comparable to raping, maybe killing, a few.
>>142569301
>blandest king
>Generic tsunshit
>Sakura is a good character
Did you even read Hollow Ataraxia?
>>142568786
So basically, you missed the point of the story and are butthurt at those who got it.
>>142569471
Ilya is above all rankings she is truly a miracle of the universe.
>>142569471
This goes without saying fampai.
>>142569201
>>142569471
I don't really care about everyone else, but without Rider at the top your taste is pretty shit.
>>142569040
>Rin
>acting like a responsible magus
>>142569113
Only when it comes to Chinese food.
Does Rin smoke, or is it just a lolrandom gag for her chibi version?
>>142569426
You're talking as if Sakura haters ever read Tsukihime or anything other than UBW and Zero (and chances are they watched the anime).
>>142570077
Smoking is for old men.That's where she got it from.
>>142570120
See
>>142570120
Why do wormfags keep pretending that people who don't want to smell Sakura's nasty used cunt didn't read the VNs? It's pretty pathetic.
>>142570034
I said she was trying to. Trying and failing, especially in UBW.
>>142569113
Don't Shirou, Sakura and Rin specialize in different foods?
>>142570077
Does anyone actually remember what these things are called?
>>142568753
Besides, Ilya died for Shirou, not Sakura. Best big sister.
>>142570292
That might have been the case. To be honest I don't actually remember anything besides Rin winning at some point.
>>142570238
Well, it's pretty clear they streamed the VN on Youtube at best, judging by the posts here.
>>142570292
Shirou's still a little better at Japanese foods than Sakura. Sakura's strongest at western dishes. Rin's best at Chinese foods, which neither Shirou nor Sakura have any real experience at. Shirou also disliked Chinese dishes prior to Fate as well.
>>142563701
HF is my favorite route and the characters act more human. Ilya and Kotomine are the real heroes of the route and Sakura is more interesting and relatable because she's not perfect like Saber and Rin, she's a mess with lots of issues. If you're into fixing broken things you will enjoy Sakura.
>>142564891
She has a son
>>142570500
Ah. I thought so.
>>142570589
Will she ever meet her new mom?
>She keeps calling Saber "Father", which everyone is a little confused by at first, but quickly come to terms with considering their unique history
>Mordred's hostile towards Shirou at first but slowly warms up to him
>Eventually, she calls him "M...Mother!"
>>142569040
>Or at least she was trying to, she failed when she didn't kill Sakura as soon as she noticed what was going on.
You do understand that Rin was figuring out what was going on right? Killing Sakura may stop the Shadow, but it occurring was part and parcel of a failed system in place. The logical thing would be to take care of the system first, because it takes care of everything at once.
Moreover "responsible" and "magus" should not be used in the same sentence, when those "responsible magi" you talked about created this clusterfuck in the first place.
>>142570762
You have a point. Rin is, like most magus, fucking stupid.still better then Sakura though
>>142570500
As of FSN, Shirou sweats at Sakura being close to besting his Japanese cooking, they even joke about how on Hollow she is now better than him while she tries to soothe his pride and tells him she still has much to learn from him.
It's actually kind of sweet how pouty Shirou gets about it.
Sakura also does baked sweets and pastries, which no one else seems to do.
>>142570992
Once Shirou leaves Fuyuki, his cooking mastery will shoot straight up.
You can't become a world-class cook if you don't actually travel the world a bit. Once that happens, Sakura can't ever hope to catch up.
>>142570570
Are you trying to imply Saber and Rin are perfect? I'd almost wager and say Saber has way more problems than Sakura (I say this as a Saberfag)
>>142571072
And Rin is happy to help.
>>142571131
Rin's a pleb. She probably got good at cooking Chinese through a combination of Kotomine's influence as well as her own love for it, but she never displays any real desire to improve beyond what she's currently capable of.
>>142571121
>Saber has way more problems than Sakura
Nope. Saber is a true Heroic Spirit. She is supposed to be a literal personification of chivalry.
>>142571072
Perhaps, but we don't know what Sakura will do in the future. She is actually serious about learning and getting better at cooking, seeing as Shirou notes she has several recipe books and spice notes.
Plus she brought it up on their castle date that she would get some tips on French cuisine from Sella and isn't too proud to ask Rin to teach her Chinese. It means she actively wants to get better outside of Shirou.
That is the thing, people tend to think Sakura doesn't have any aspirations, but she actually does a lot of stuff. She just doesn't participate in things she isn't interested in. After all *she* was the one who sought tutelage in magecraft with Dilo both in canon FSN and Hollow or in HF Normal, she teaches herself when she in all scenarios doesn't really have to. She has a lot of time since she is the youngest of the cast.
>>142571379
Go away, Mike.
>>142571379
That's retarded. Unless she actually intends to open her own restaurant, the idea of traveling the world to learn cooking is completely ridiculous. You don't go on a world-wide food-learning spree, dedicating years and money to the craft, just to go back home and cook for your friends and family. You'd have to be a complete dumbass to do something like that.
>>142571287
>has never actually enjoyed her own life
>from the moment she was born she was readying herself to become king
>completely kills her own sense of humanity and emotions "for the greater good"
>gender dysphoria taken to the extreme
>takes commoners and villagers into her army and sends them on the frontlines to die while keeping invaders off
>ends up in a near-death state on a bloodied hill after cutting down former comrades and her own son
>blames herself for the fall of britain and everything bad that happened
>goes to every pocket of time in any age to search for the grail just so she can wish herself completely out of existence because she's such a failure
>does all of this for a country that doesn't even want her
Yeah, no. Saber is a personification of chivalry, sure. But you must be blind if you think she doesn't have more problems than Sakura could ever have.
>>142571623
She gets better in the Fate route, though. She becomes a star in the sky, an ever-distant utopia.
>>142571121
They're not perfect but they have so many qualities. They are ideal women, unlike Sakura.
Sakura was abandoned by her family, abused, tortured, raped, humiliated and more. All during her childhood and teenage years. Her psych and body are fucked up so bad that the only thing that keeps her going is some asian ginger. She has no friends, she lives with a brother that beats her shit up because he's a failure and a grandfather that did all kinds of fucked up shit in her. To make matters worse her sister doesn't even show any kind of affection towards her and is now "stealing" the only person that tolerates her existense, the person that she loves. Sakura didn't do anything wrong to get this kind of treatment, Rin did by being a better magus and it's not Rin's fault, nor Sakura's. Sakura know this and deep down blames herself for not being good as her sister, she's jealous, she's angry at the world and everyone who ignored her pain and suffering. She hates herself as well for not being pure for Shiro, for being a disgusting prostitute of her brother and grandfather.
Meanwhile Saber has probably the most noble goal and the most pure intentions. Saber is paradigm of justice and like anon said, literal personification of chivalry.
>>142571442
You do realize you just admitted to being a crossboarder, right?
>>142571508
I never said she would globetrot to learn cooking, I said we don't know what she will do. I said she was serious about learning. But she is also serious about horticulture as well, they talked about this in her Eclipse scene in Hollow. She might go all in in rebuilding her body and fulfill her potential as a magus with her new teacher/father figure from the church, she might go far in cooking because she is already super into learning and developing her palette already, or she might be a study horticulture, given she restored the cherry blossom tree in her front yard on her own.
All that to say is its the same thing as Nasu says about her in her bio:
"As everybody knows, she seems passive, but when she does do something she devotes herself to it completely."
>>142571623
>more problems than Sakura could ever have
>Saber has more problems than someone who was raped and tortured non-stop since she was a child
Now that's just ridiculous. You're saying that Saber is worse than a fucking batshit insane yandere whose life was a never-ending cycle of pain and suffering.
Saber had it tough, but you can say that about every Servant. Lancer's life was pretty hard as well, so what?
>>142568540
But what is her relationship with Shirou like in that happy ending?
>>142564145
Why do bitches reply with statements that end with question marks?
>>142572053
Great?
>>142564575
a handful surely
>>142572021
Sakura is not a yandere.
>>142572021
As a person that likes both, they both have large crosses to bear.
Sakura isn't really batshit though, it was stated she survived this long because her resilience is strong. It would be a discredit to her to not note that as a quality, and to just describe her as broken. Either way, at the very least she will be able to have a normal high school graduation, so it's not like her life will be total shit forever. Well, except for us not knowing how she will fare post Fate or UBW, but thems the breaks in this type of story structure.
As for Saber, technically she is fated to go to Avalon nearly no matter what, so at the very least, she won't get the shitty future most normal humans get with getting their souls recycled.
Gee, this world sucks hard now that you take a step back if you understand the true nature of it. Just it sucks harder for some, especially if you are special.
>>142572474
Don't worry about that. Shirou's magical cock is able to cure any depression or PTSD. Don't believe me - ask Saber, she will confirm.
>>142572021
Yeah. Sakura at the very end of everything can at least die and that'll rid her of her problems. Saber doesn't have that luxury. Because of her ridicolous way of thinking that she is the root of all of Britain's problems, she literally can't allow herself something as luxurious and selfish as death. Her whole life has had no happiness for her at all, and at the very end she hates herself so much she's going to search for a way to remove her existence, and she's gonna keep searching without stopping for all eternity. Even if she manages to find the grail and make her wish come true, it'll just mean she's fulfilled her part of the contract and thus will have to start being a CG, in which case she's just gonna end up doing the same shit as EMIYA, as if that's any better.
I'm sorry for thinking that Saber having a LITERAL eternity of suffering ahead of her is a more urgent problem than what Sakura goes through. If you just want to talk pure pain though, imagine all the wars Saber has been waging, Avalon doesn't protect her from wounds so she's probably went through the pain of almost dying (like Shirou in F route) hundreds of thousands of times.
>>142572625
Saber got the D and is still depressed over what happened in the past, she just gets over it. A bit of rest in Avalon probably helps that a bit.
Rin still has issues to work through with, both being a magus and the estrangement with her sister, so the D didn't wipe that away.
Sakura still accepts what happens and works to move forward, to not bury herself in depression that pretty much all the pain she went through was for nothing. The D didn't heal that or restore her damaged potential, she sought ways to rectify that.
Unfortunately here, the D doesn't reign supreme.
>>142569529
Nine years. Higurashi came out from 1995-2002 at a rate of one VN per year. Fate was 2004.
>>142573185
What? No, it was released between 2002-2006.
>>142572756
>I'm sorry for thinking that Saber having a LITERAL eternity of suffering ahead of her is a more urgent problem than what Sakura goes through. If you just want to talk pure pain though, imagine all the wars Saber has been waging, Avalon doesn't protect her from wounds so she's probably went through the pain of almost dying (like Shirou in F route) hundreds of thousands of times.
It's not for an eternity, didn't you read the part of the lore that says she is likely not going to be a CG, but a legit heroic spirit. What's more, for FSN canon the probability of her repeating the cycle is zero in anything but UBW True (and Nasu left it vague there that destroying the Grail by choice ended the contract).
As for the Sakura stuff, I ain't even gonna comment, but that is some cold shit man, not cool.
>>142572756
I think you're missing the point. Yes, Saber had a tough life, but unlike Archer or Sakura, she did not become a broken creature with a fuckton of psychological problems. She was able to remain herself - a pure maiden with a heart of gold. That's her strength. And Saber was not tortured by her past 24/7 like Sakura - because she knew how to keep her priorities straight.
>>142570298
Hetare.
>>142573690
>Yes, Saber had a tough life, but unlike Archer or Sakura, she did not become a broken creature with a fuckton of psychological problems. She was able to remain herself - a pure maiden with a heart of gold. That's her strength.
This is bait, isn't it?
>>142569529
Speaking of Higurashi, Tsumihoroboshi's plot is incredibly similar to HF in some ways, even right down to the worms.
>>142573990
I understand that you want to give her character some flaws (even though that's basically impossible, she is supposed to be perfect), but you're trying way too hard. I don't think even Nasu gave as much of a shit about her backstory as you do.
>>142568526
That's correct
>>142574143
Nasu's a known copy-cat
See Tsukihime and Kizuato
>>142574882
>Tsumihoroboshi: August 14, 2005
>>142574931
Oh, Heaven's Feel?
http://tsukikan.com/misc/star-scenario-writer-interview.html
>>142568862
>Filename
>Not puffs up with worms
>>142563701
All you need to know is that there is only one true ending and even if it's not stated as it is. Also illy ais the true heroine not wormslut
>>142563701
>Shinji
>raping Sakura
Lies.
>>142577127
This is apple rape
>>142569055
Shirou likes Shinji.
>>142568995
does anyone know when and what route this happens, i was trying to find it but no luck
>>142568995
>punch Shinji in the stomach and drive him against the wall
>kick his arms away
Dafuck? That's some bad writing.
>>142577394
The thing about it is that he never shows any appreciation for both Shirou or Sakura beyond the type of tsundere that if you saw it on a girl, 90% of people would tell her to fuck off.
He makes fun of Sakura's cooking in the same breath as saying it's better than most restaurants. Just like he takes advantage of Shirou all the time even as he is supposedly keeping people from taking advantage of him. Literally everyone around those two tell them to just tell Shinji to bugger off. Ayako tells Sakura to clock him, and both Ayako and Issei ask Shirou why he even thinks of him as a friend.
He bullies his kouhai in the archery club, causing morale to go down, a failure as vice captain.
Fucking SAEGUSA YUKIKA, who hates nobody, is disgusted just hearing Shinji's name.
Let's not get into the fact that those girls hanging out with him were confined by Nasu to just be with him because he splurges with his allowance money, taking them to Italian restaurants, and they wouldn't hang with him upon the college years.
He made his bed when it comes to reputation.
>>142579708
>implying
>>142568995
At least Extra Shinji had a onee-san to keep him on the straight and narrow.
>>142577394
Shirou pities Shinji. As Shinji is made to be pitied.
>>142579758
Read that last line aloud and see if it sounds like something great.
It basically ended up that Shirou did all the work and then he praised his pet- I mean friend.
He is looking for a sycophant, not a companion.
>>142579923
If I remember correctly, there was also a scene where Shirou and Shinji fight against some upperclassman together. But yeah, I think that line does sound good honestly, he's proud of what Shirou accomplished, making him as happy as if he himself did the work. Shinji outside of the grail war when he's going insane is fucking hilarious anon.
These Heaven's Feel movies are gonna be great:
> DICK WORMS
> Mapo Tofu
> Tohsaka's Anus
> Uncensored Movies
> All these fights getting animated
> More Priest
> Soundtrack by Yuki Kajiura
> Miura isn't directing
>>142580014
I never said he was Hitler, but the guy is a spoiled brat, you can't even deny it.
And what's wrong with that line is that he is essentially just ego boosting himself through Shirou. He plays the bad friend role absolutely straight, because most bad friends actually have facets that you can say to yourself, "hey, he ain't so bad" more than once in a lifetime. Not so with this guy. And in that story about the upperclassman, didn't Shirou say he bailed Shinji out of that one?
Grail war excuse or not, from what we saw in interludes and flashbacks, he wasn't that good back then. Even as a kid before he even knew about the truth of what goes on in his family, his first thoughts about Sakura was that she could be used as a guard dog.
>>142580414
I never denied that he's a spoiled brat, but he certainly isn't evil. He's got a shitload of problems stemming from his childhood with Zouken. Shirou is literally his only friend, and regardless of whether or not he's a great friend in return, him and Shirou ARE still friends.
>>142580550
Ohnononono. The crux of Shinji's problems is his delusions. He knows where he is wrong but doesn't try to change because he convinces himself he's right. The fact a 15 year old girl who could use several years worth of therapy herself counsels him just makes me shake my head.
Shirou sticking by him reflects well on Shirou, but you'd usually not defend a relationship that decidedly one-sided. Sure, a relationship isn't about just weighing what you gain and what you take, but it's important. Shirou and Sakura being people who don't think much of themselves make that fact even more evident.
>>142563974
There's a difference between killing a master/criminals for the sake of justice and killing whole families, kids and elders included because you to keep flirting with your sempai and don't want to miss the monthly eggs promotion at the supermarket.
>>142564145
>He raped a girl that was abandoned
Didn't your parents teach you how to read?
At least read the post before answering you dipshit.
>Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Sakura. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Sakura.
>Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. Shinji knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Sakura want.
>>142580927
That's why Shinji is a good character though, he's a fucked up person. I don't really care if you think it's a bad relationship, but I find Shirou and Shinji's friendship fun and endearing at points. Post grail war Shinji is still an asshole, but he's nothing like he was during the grail war.
>>142577127
Thanks to this scene the UBW route forever became a Shinji/Sakura end for me.
>>142580962
The difference being there wasn't much in the way of actual control on her part, that was a flawed system that was jammed into her guts when she was five years old. Pure logic states that you'd defuse the root of the problem, which isn't her, but the grail system, instead of pointing fingers at whose right or wrong.
It's basically like how Hayate from Nanoha is unaware of the real issue with the Book of Darkness.
>>142581195
Best end
>>142580962
I didn't know Angra Mainyu had a senpai.
>>142581222
>>142581317
Hint : Re-read Kotomine's dialogue, he clearly saw through her shallow personality
Hint2 : She clearly knew she was causing the the killings at night but prefered to shut up so she could spend more time playing house with Shirou and co. She didn't have the courage to end her life or to tell everyone what she was doing, so she was ok with Shirou killing her at some point if he really wanted to do it, but he wasn't able to; and even if he tried to, Rider was in the room ready to kill him before he uses the knife.
I swear, you guys just developed Stockholm syndrome.
>>142563701
I'm just going to leave you with this bit of advice that my friend past on to me when I read HF, read it behind a locked door, DO NOT under any circumstance read it in front of anyone. You get more action the freaking Zeus at night and you're not even safe during the day, found that out the hard way.
>>142581091
I concede on that, since we are gonna just have a difference of opinion on their relationship.
And yeah, the first time I read that scene, I was almost proud of him, but then I thought about it. Zouken for all intents and purposes is defanged, so even if he left home, the old man won't care. No fight, no out on his ass, it's just him moving out on graduation basically, like any normal kid except he is disinherited.
That is about as cushy of a disinheritance as you can possibly get. I mean come on, does he think Sakura won't help him if he asks? He even basically said she should keep his money for when he comes to get it when the old fart dies.
Even Shirou, sugarcoating it as he was, didn't know if his comments on Sakura's future were him being an asshole or being genuinely concerned.
>>142581548
>Hint : Re-read Kotomine's dialogue, he clearly saw through her shallow personality
Wrong, what he meant, was that she couldn't hide behind the cover of being a "new person". It was made pretty obvious by the dialogue that she regrets what the Shadow had done, and mistakenly killing Shinji, given she was in tears through all of it.
And you know Kirei loves to hypocritically play the irony game when psychoanalyzing people. Remember how he essentially told Shirou he wished the war to happen to have a villain to fight to play hero at the beginning of the story(or the fact he uses the New Year to tell people they are all going to hell)? It's like that with his talk with Sakura. Because if you really think she just hates people and her personality was fake, you missed several huge factors about her. Hell, you missed the entire point behind her talk with Shirou in Liberation.
>>142572053
>>142570077
She couldn't afford it.
>>142573012
If the D ruled supreme, Rin wouldn't want to keep Saber around just so she can fuck her.
>>142582583
She doesn't smoke, but she drinks pretty regularly, it's part of upholding the family motto of being "always elegant" she got from Tokiomi by having a little nightcap before bed. True fact.
If Tokiomi smoked, she probably would have picked it up too.
>>142580038
You forgot an important one.
>toned olympic goddess Rider getting more spotlight
>>142582028
Unlike what happened with Shirou, Kirei wasn't trying to play with her, he got fed up with her and told her how it really was, remember : "I don't know and do not want to know how you felt, I am not so mad as to listen to a girl's complaints."
> Because if you really think she just hates people and her personality was fake
You're trying to put words into my mouth so you can concentrate on the points you want, here.
Nobody said that about her, what people don't like about her is the fact that she knew what was happening :
>She clearly knew she was causing the the killings at night but prefered to shut up so she could spend more time playing house with Shirou and co. She didn't have the courage to end her life or to tell everyone what she was doing, so she was ok with Shirou killing her at some point if he really wanted to do it, but he wasn't able to; and even if he tried to, Rider was in the room ready to kill him before he uses the knife.
>>142583921
Rin has a pretty good ending in HF given she gets to tap that.
>>142563701
>>142580038
I'm looking forward to seeing if they insert some original scenes in there.
>>142584787
What scenes do you want to see?
>>142585221
Not him, but have her help distract Saber Alter when they're fleeing the woods and give her a couple extra scenes with Sakura.
Tomonori Sudo: But doing all seven chapters, plus the Final Chapter, as well as "recalled out summer" ... a total of 9 films in 6 years means that we did more than one film a year, right?
Ei Aoki: But in the beginning, it was like, "We're releasing one a month, so we'll be done in seven months." That's what Mr. Kondo told me. (Laughs) Plus, the run times got longer and longer. Initially, they were all supposed to be no longer than one hour.
Tomonori Sudo: Well, we'll just have to write that off as, "You gotta be kidding!" Although having a different director each time helped keep us fresh. But when we started working on Chapter 1, I was still in my 20s. Boy, I've gotten old!
Ei Aoki: Chapter 1 was released in 2007, right? I think we started the actual work in 2006 or so? The first one we started production on was Chapter 2, right?
Tomonori Sudo: We started with Chapter 2, and then it was Chapter 1... They were released six years ago? Well, no wonder I've gotten old.
Ei Aoki: We never thought we'd still be doing "the Garden of sinners" six years later, did we? Back when we were doing Chapter 1, ufotable still wasn't even considered an up-and-comer. Although needless to say, TYPE-MOON was popular.
Tomonori Sudo: You're right. I guess it's pretty clear that people started seeing our company differently around the time "the Garden of sinners" came out. Until then, I don't think we had any real hits, at least not anything major. That said, it's not as if internally, ufotable is any different before and after "the Garden of sinners". I always think, "It's still the same old, same old". (Laughs) Mr. Kondo used to say, "I want this place to be like Jump," Well, I guess that shows that he was already thinking of the company's future back then. And the people who directed each chapter of "the Garden of sinners" are still directing today.
>>142585560
Ei Aoki: At first, there was no telling how far ufotable could go to bring a TYPE-MOON title to the screen. But now that six years have passed, people are saying, "I'm looking forward to 'recalled out summer'." "I've bought this many tickets!" I feel so grateful. In that sense, I really think it's become a happy title.
Tomonori Sudo: When I watch it myself, I can see how much the visuals have changed in six years. After lal, the changes in the visuals are what's obvious when you actually see them. And as for the staff, the people who'd just started doing animation back then are doing key visuals now, or they've become animation directors; you can get a sense of the changing of the guard, so to speak. So in that sense, it does seem to me that everything, the quality of the animation and so on, has changed. Also, when I watch something from back then, I remember how utterly frantic those days were.
Ei Aoki: Yes, it really was a frantic time.
Tomonori Sudo: I mean, we thought we wouldn't live up to the words, "film version". (Laughs) Like, "We've only done TV series!"
Ei Aoki: Right, right, right. (Laughs)
Tomonori Sudo: Back then, anime films were still something special, weren't they?
Ei Aoki: Yes, at the time. Nowadays, it's not unusual at all for a title to go from a TV broadcast to theatrical release, so it's not quite as special anymore.
21 species of plants have been placed in the "Garan-no-dou" of 2010, based on the vision of plant-loving director, Sudo. The names of each of these plants are as follows. It might be fun for you to look for each plant's location.
<Names of 21 plants>
Sansevieria / Selaginella apoda / Agave celsii / Eltham / Blue candle / Aloe variegata / Murraya koenigii / Chamaedorea tenera / Jungle drum / Kalanchoe / Euphorbia cotinifolia / Pandanus amaryllifolius / Breadfruit / Pothos / Western holly / Cinnamon / French rubber / Siamese spider plant / Dischidia / Dracaena fragrans / Saint-Simon
>>142585590
—Though the movie version of Future Gospel has yet to be released as of this interview, what are your thoughts regarding the storyboarding and production processes?
Nasu: This movie has an amount of content on par with the cumulative 6 years of work the ufotable staff put into Kara no Kyoukai. And I feel proper credit must be given to the director Mr. Tomonori Sudou, who has also been the animation director and character designer. The original work for Future Gospel was a more subdued story, one perhaps better suited for a one-hour TV drama, thus I felt it not quite fitting for the type of entertainment required of a movie adaptation. However, Mr. Sudou was truly able to capture the few big moments and make them shine on the big screen. The scene with an explosion, for example, looked brilliant, while the action scenes flowed with such grace and beauty. His storyboarding was very straightforward. He worked very flexibly, and showed me something that I am sure caters to what anime fans will want to see. You can definitely feel him in this work, and is just a pleasure to watch.
—Mr. Sudou was also involved in the storyboarding and production of the fifth chapter of the TV anime Fate/Zero, so I suppose we have already caught a glimpse of his talent then.
Nasu: He also seems to have a keen understanding of TYPE-MOON's art style. Mr. Sudou also played Tsukihime, much to my surprise. Together with the director of the second chapter, Mr. Nonaka Takuya, they pitched the movie adaptation of Kara no Kyoukai to ufotable president Mr. Kondo. He understood just how much fans have been yearning for this, and with a man of his brilliance at the helm for both production and animation, this is not something that should be missed.
>>142585221
I'd love it if they added more scenes showing Shirou and Sakura growing close before the start of the route. Along with scenes in current time that demonstrate that closeness. This should be a high priority if nothing else.
Of course, Rider needs a couple of her own too. At the very least I'd like to see Sakura dreaming of her past, but I'd also like to see a bit of how Sakura and Rider developed that bond of deep trust along with having her in-universe backstory expanded upon.
This is just being greedy more than anything, but I'd also like to see Sakura and Illya interacting positively. Most of the route they're pretty hostile towards each other, even though the Fate route has shown that they could be really great friends given the chance. They're both tied for best girl for me, so I just want it to happen.
Basically I just want more of everyone interacting and fleshing out their relationship with Sakura. Really, Sakura should be the protagonist of the movies almost much as Shirou.
Also a less rushed/expanded epilogue.
Damn, I ended up writing way more than I thought I would.
>>142585221
Looking out for some expanded scenes of Shirou's dream sequence showing Rider's perspective when she initiates it and her reaction to what happens.
