Forced animation this season /a/?Still don't get exactly what forced animation is but who cares.
Forced animation is a shit meme by those jealous that their show isn't as fluid
Fluid animation is something you should aim for, not a meme implying something bad
>>142272612
>>142272651
I see. Thanks anon. But anyway I would like to see some webms with it. I liked the thread yesterday.
>>142272612
>>142272651
Generally animation means to "bring something to life" and generally, how more lifelike/moving/believable something moves, the more 'animated' it is.
I assume forced generally means they bump up they amount of frames to make it seem like it's moving smoother. Essentially the illusion of movement.
>>142272679
This is a good example, the exact same thing couldve been done with around 12 frames, but theres those extra inbetweens that morph into each other.
It's like each of her set poses move into each other than seeming like a constant flow of motion. It's like givinng inbetweens to people who didnt look at how the whole thing would move but just make each frame "morph" into the next, giving the final thing this stiff moving a>b>c>d>e cycle.
>>142272612
>>142273204
(cont.)I mean, More frames is BETTER, and Smoother is BETTER, but you need to accomodate for all those extra frames.
More frames means more flaws you'll catch a glance at. And the more stiff and unreal it'll look.
It's like playing a game at HD 60FPS after playing the shit 30FPS version on a console, you can see all the subtle flaws in the motion. Hence why >>142272679 moves so unnaturally compared to something like pic related which manages to look more lively with less frames.
>>142273204
So pose-to-pose with a lot of frames, rather than fast-paced pose to pose like Merrie Melodies?
>>142273286
OH NO YOU DON'T
>>142273389
>>>142272679 moves so unnaturally compared to something like pic related which manages to look more lively with less frames
I disagree. Do you have eye problems?
>>142272612
Forced animation is over animating something to the point that it looks unnatural and non lifelike. I would post examples but I'm on my phone. And it's been a few seasons since I've watched anime.
>>142272679
Holy shit why would anyone think this is ok?
>>142273286
Did they use dudes for that
>>142272612
It's the animation equivalent of over acting.
>>142273510
Because it was a joke in the show. Out of context it's just forced animation.Within context it is as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru5EKWP25FY
![[HorribleSubs] Keit-Ai - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.39_[2016.05.01_17.39.40].webm](https://i.imgur.com/WzAyWoq.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Keit-Ai - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.39_[2016.05.01_17.39.40].webm")
Like this one
>>142273472
Negatory.
Theres barely overlapping motion
No overshooting from when she pushes forward, no anticipation for her moment
She shifts back and forth like a robot
She's practically moving on straight lines.
Theres no slowdown when she thrusts forward after moving so quickly.
She immediately shifts her head down
Moves and morphs from one post to the next.
Theres so many flaws in this its ridiculous.
It moves well and it's well drawn, but shit, with the extra inbetweens it's honestly just breakdown frame porn, the exposition being told through each frame doesnt need all those extra breakdowns.
If you can't see any of this, then I believe you've ever seen how things actually move in life.
>>142273570
This one is actually really well animated.
It's rather exagerrated for the style its in and the speed of which the frames move is sporadic, seemingly moving at brisk single takes or slow doubletakes and even super slow triples.
I'd say if it all moved consistently, it'd be fine, otherwise it does look pretty over-the-top.
>>142273741
You forget that is the joke of the clip though, it's done that way on purpose and thus not really a good example of forced animaiton
>>142273860
I don't understand the joke.
Please, provide me some insight.
>>142273894
>>142273549
"They try so hard to animate us, even though there's so little to animate!"
>>142273894
The girls are talking about why their manga got animated, how it's probably boring to watch, how the jokes won't work well in the medium etc. Then Kukuru freaks out and tells them to not say those things because >>142273919
>>142273940
Well, shit. I didn't know. I guess that does make sense.
Consider me baited and hooked then.
>>142273286
It will never not be painful to watch this one. What were they thinking?
What did you think about the fluid animation in MGK?
Sakuga is overrrated. It's like CGi in films.
>>142274015
This looks like it was fun to animat-
>0:09
OH GOD WHY DOES THIS HURT TO LOOK AT
>>142274015
It's good but completely gives up about caring about any model at all
>>142273978
>he hasn't watched Joshiraku
>>142272612
It's for people who are too stupid/lazy to properly articulate why they don't like certain parts of animation, so they just use a buzzword that says basically nothing.
>>142274109
No, the term was invented roughly around the time when people started getting annoyed at "forced drama".
It was a jab at people using buzzwords without second-guessing them.
>>142274187
I'm sure it was, but similar to other terms originally used ironically many people actually start using them to seriously desribe things.
Didn't this happen with "artificial difficulty" on that other shitty board?
>>142273286
Is that from idolmaster?
>>142274015
It's so obvious when the sakuga specialist was done with his job on that scene.
>>142273286
I remember that scene, idol masters. It stood out WAY too much.
>>142274015
way too much rotating and zooming in an out just for the sake of more animation, it is hard to follow the action
>>142274346
>Didn't this happen with "artificial difficulty" on that other shitty board?
I don't know, but I independently reached the term when describing certain games and I am not using it ironically either.
>>142274015
>:06 looks like she is about to land, you can see the building off on the side
>Suddenly she's hundreds of feet in the air
Yep, that's when the sakuga ended and weebshit happened.
>>142274015
Rough as hell, but I loved it. It's a shame the show sucked, despite the fun protagonist.
>>142273570
>filename
>>142273570
IT FINDS A WAY!
>>142272612
Forced animation is what you say when you hate a show that has good animation, but can't find any actual reason to hate it. Don't forget about this OP because it's pretty useful
>>142274015
Some guy there really loves the Itano Circus
A few scenes in Kiznaiver had really shitty movement for characters that looked fake and trying too hard. Especially scenes with the lesbian and her fuckbuddy.
Also that conrevo one, I know you know which one I'm talking about.
>>142272679
its so smooth it's unnerving.
You know when someone makes fun of someone else's spelling or grammar in order to avoid a valid counterargument? "forced animation" is /a/'s version of that
>>142277866
Fucked off with that forced grammar, your post on a whole would be much better and natural if you didn't force your grammar
>>142277866
>"forced animation" is /a/'s version of that
No, it isn't.
For one thing, ad hominems are used aplenty around here, most commonly in the form of associating somebody with other boards or web communities.
And for another, forced animation is not taken seriously as criticism by anybody that should be taken seriously.
>>142272651
>>142277866
There a really great exemple of Forced Animation that is undeniable, someone just need to post the webm here.
It's from Luck & Logic, that hooded girl eating the karaage.
>>142278369
That was just an animator fucking around to a great result. I bet he loved Koufuku Graffiti.
>>142278369
>It's from Luck & Logic, that hooded girl eating the karaage.
I loved that little girl
>>142278522
>shrimps on pizza
>cheese in crust
>redhead
>>142278522
>>142272679
I think it's funny that people imply that this is over animated when it isn't the animation but the ridiculous overacting that makes this so painful to look at
You could've given it twice the frames but with very little, more "realistic" movement and it would have looked just fine
>>142278522
>didn't even invite me to the orgasm
>>142278522
I can't help but imagine them shallowing semen
>>142281375
Worst choice for reaction image I've seen in almost a week.
>>142281395
>getting triggered by of Fate reaction image
That's why i saved this shit
>>142281375
I'm pretty sure that was the entire point of the show.
>>142281556
It's not the fact that it's Fate.
It's the fact that it's Mr Dense that makes it a stupid choice.
>>142281643
Ok anon.
I'm gonna kill myself for dishonoring the Mighty Shitposting League.
>>142281793
Imagine if she were human and just started nodding at you while rapidly blinking and changing facial expressions, you'd be freaked the fuck out if you were real
>>142282009
I would already freak out by people who smile while closing their eyes.
>>142274015
Which anime is this?
>>142272612
>Still don't get exactly what forced animation is but who cares.
It's the anime version of overacting
>>142282125
I forgot the name.
The anime where that one dyke visits a new school and wants to build a lesbian harem, but every girl dismisses her because her powerlevel is so low.
Then she finds her waifu but has no luck swooning her either. So she teams up with some random tsundere and enters the tournament. Through winning the tournament, she saves the school and proves her strength thereby realizing her harem + top waifu.
It aired a few seasons ago.
>>142282125
>>142282418
mikagura gakuen kumikyoku
wow I learned something useful on /a/. doe this happen on other boards?
>>142284149
>I learned something useful on /a/.
From this thread?
>>142284669
maybe useful is a bit much but yes
>>142272612
>>142284149
>>142286051
Use punctation.
Capitalize your sentences.
Holy shit you guys are CONSCIOUSLY TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OUT OF A PURPOSEFULLY NONSENSICAL MEME even though you know it's supposed to be bullshit.
Holy fuck. I bet you're doing this just so you can have one more type of bad thing to say about shows you don't like.
You read "forced animation" and thought "huh, that sounds like something I could type to make myself sound smart when I criticize a show". So now you're doing this little brainstorming to figure out how to legitimize the use of a phrasing that makes no sense.
Wow.
>>142274015
>i was the only person on /a/ that liked this show when it was airing
>>142286411
Your criticism is not coherent.
Once people have made sense out of a term, that term is a valid part of their vocabulary (among people who use the same definition).
>>142286481
No, you were not.
>>142286411
What's so nonsensical about it? Obviously they just mean it has more animation than it needs to effectively convey the scene, or even to the point where it's unappealing because the extra frames look bad.
>>142286273
Yes, Anon Sensei.
I'm sorry Anon Sensei
>>142286675
What the hell this looks so fluid.
is this forced animation?
>>142286853
The guy who made that webm used SVP so it's interepolated to 60fps
>>142286515
>>142286675
I'm criticizing you as persons. You have to be the pettiest pieces of shit to devolve time and effort to such a fruitless activity.
Don't try to pretend that you've ever been bothered by animation looking too fluid, even if it's out of place or unrealistic it still has a nice hypnotic quality.
>>142286675
>>142286853
>people actually think that interpolation looks good
>>142287222
I use it just to be rid of the terrible 5fps panning studios seem to love.
>>142286675
It's absolutely impossible to have animation that doesn't look good. You might be bothered by how unnatural you might find something, or some animation in particular might make you feel uncomfortable, but no animation can ever be worse than not having animation.
>>142287338
>Implying you get any more detail from the panning
>implying it's doing anything other than smearing like the shit you smeared on your wall.
>>142287431
I thought someone from /v/ would love 60fps.
>>142287519
>someone from /v/
No.
>>142287614
You're certainly acting like one.
>>142287130
Did you even read my post?
>>142287130
>it has a nice hypnotic quality.
>this makes up for being out of place or unrealistic
Nice opinion friend.
>>142278369
Nobody believes in forced animation until they see it for themselves
>>142287693
Forced animation or a happy animator drawing his fetish?
>>142287659
Interpolation is a meme that is cancer and deserves ridicule.
>>142287848
Wow great argument, anon. You really got me with those spicy opinions.
>>142287916
Wow great meme, anon. You really got me with those spicy memes.
Simply, you cannot get more information out of the original image than there was to begin with, and interpolation fools retards into thinking it enhances the video with "more stuff to look at".
>>142288097
>you cannot get more information out of the original image than there was to begin with
No one is claiming this
>interpolation fools retards into thinking it enhances the video with "more stuff to look at".
They think it makes it a lot smoother, which it does.
>>142288097
It's not about information, it's about smoothing. Hurr durr.
>>142287828
That show barely had any budget, so I bet an animator decided to fuck around because he enjoys cute girls eating and there wasn't much else to use money on that episode. Of course some faggots needed to complain because they're gay
>>142287693
This isnt forced animation, its just poor design.
Just put the food in your fucking face.
>>142288177
>>142288231
>No one is claiming this
>from the source svp:
>It increases the frame rate by generating intermediate animation frames between existing frames in order to produce very smooth, fluid and clear motion.
>Clear motion
Anyways, if you look at any scene transition, or any large motion too fast for SVP, you can see the smearing of colors, objects, etc. and "between" those frames, it looks like ass
I'd show it to you with a custom video, but I am too lazy to make a vm, and install the software for it. So have a screenshot of the webm instead
>>142278522
>>142278832
>>142281612
That anime was just one foodgasm after another. It was great!
>>142288530
hand-drawn inbetween frames are also lower quality than key frames. are you sure you just don't hate animation? maybe you should stick to triptychs?
>>142288530
That's not saying it adds more information, it's saying it's adding extra frames to make it smooth.
>Anyways, if you look at any scene transition, or any large motion too fast for SVP, you can see the smearing of colors, objects, etc. and "between" those frames, it looks like ass
You only see these if you're looking for them just like normal inbetweens except for certain scenes where the foreground is still but the background is moving.
>>142288248
What show?
>people being this butthurt about a phrase
Call it whatever you want, but more frames does not always equal a better result.
If the scene looks off, unnatural, or does not fit with the atmosphere you're doing something wrong.
This criticism is as valid for lack of frames as it is for an excessive amount.
>>142272612
It's just some stupid new meme that's keeps being posted by idiots on /a/.
this is a "forced" thread
>>142289323
>forced posting
Nice one, I'll try using it in the future.
>>142289323
you didn't even read the thread, fuck you
>>142289413
>thread full of forced posts
no thanks, i don't have to read it to know how idiotic it is
>>142288938
Search the archive.
>>142288938
active raid
>>142290562
I didn't think people hated that show so much that they'd give it as a troll answer.
>>142286262
That's not forced animation, that's well done
XY really got a budget after the atrocity that was black and white
>>142286675
This is pretty much live action slow motion in animation and it works really well for what it's conveying. Just because it's a shitload of frames doesn't make it bad.
>>142287693
Not forced animation, just poorly scripted and keyframed.
>>142288248
That's cute and funny
>forced animation
Seriously?
>>142272612
>>142278522
This shit is making me hungry for pizza and I'm supossed to be on a diet.
>>142273978
apology not accepted
>>142272612
Anything that has more that 1 frame per second powerpoint is fucking forced. God I hate it when animators waste money on useless crap like fps. They should spend it on voice actresses so I can make posts on /a/ about my favorite seiyuu.
>>142292956
Every anime should be a power point presentation to be honest
>>142292956
Your reply feels very forced
>>142273286
Seeing that scene out of context, it seemed pretty ok. Maybe a few of the movements were a little over-exaggerated, but I thought it was alright. Seems from other replies that the style/fluidity wasn't the same through the rest of the show so I could see where people could claim they were pushing it.
>>142288938
its called "Luck & Logic"
>>142287693
can you eat like a normal person and not like a completely retarded?
>>142286853
stuff like this need motion so it's not forced
