Does Strange Fake has the strongest set of servants in all of Fate franchise?
>pic related Gil vs qt Lancer girl
>>141513625
>girl
I am the shiggy of my diggy
>>141513625
Is strange fake connected to fate zero or it's a different universe?
13 servants in all
>Gilgamesh - Has all the weapons of all time, and if using them all out this time around
>Enkidu - Divine weapon of the gods who also has all weapons, can become all things, and has counter force powers.
>Pale Rider - Literally disease incarnate, a concept of death might be impossible
>Jack the Ripper - Undetectable, and can counter fully human servants somehow.
>Richard the Lionheart - Anything he picks up is Excalibur, and can summon other servants to back him up on occasion.
>Durmas - Can create fake NPs stronger than the originals
>Zealot Hassan - Who has all the powers of all other Hassan. Summoned by Dead Apostle
>Heracles - Was originally summoned as Archer, but was warped using Fuyuki mud and his hatred from life using a command spell to reject his divinity. He loses godhand and divinity, but has every other item from his life, also Avenger class buffs
>Hippolyta - Queen of Amazons, belt can increase parameters enough to punch Heracles through a mountain
>Prelati - Demon summoner, and Caster. Who was summoned by the still living Prelati.
>Watcher - Most mysterious entity in the war, might be the counter force, if summoned normally its class would be gate-keeper. Enkidu says something dangerous was summoned, it shapeshifts into various figures its killed throughout history like Ahab, Orion, etc.
>Berserker Edison who is a lion who controls machines, and runs off electricity? He was going to kill his master original, but whatever is currently posessing the Einzbern Homuncules at the moment, probably a divine spirit, scared him into contracting officially.
>Hassan with EX presence concealment, nothing can be read on his stat sheet. Can be active without a master fully.
>>141514038
Takes place after the fifth war, route is unknown.
American magi constructed a grail based off the Fuyuki one. They knew it would be fucked up the first two or three times they did the ritual, so they just let it turn into Chaos at first as they'd figure it out.
>>141514104
>Prelati
Wait, he summoned himself? That's fucking amazing.
>Hassan
Will this be the one time we get a legitimate Assassin? Watch the war end without him killing a single Master.
Really hope Narita doesn't waste this much potential like Apocrypha did. Also, at this rate, it won't be done in the next 10 years.
Prelati seems to be getting along with Prelati at least
>>141514310
Prelati is like Zouken, with all the body shifting throughout generations. Except without the soul degeneration, since they're wearing the skin like a costume, with a zipper on the back somehow.
Enkidu, Richard, and Zealot have formed an alliance for now since they're rational types.
>>141514353
Oh shit, Prelati was the semen demon loli after all? That's god damn amazing.
>>141514104
>Takes place after the fifth war
So this Gil is not connected to Fate zero?
>>141514310
True Assassin is there specifically to show Fake Assassin her place as a mere pretender to the name of Hassan i-Sabbah.
She was Hundred-Faced Hassan's primary rival for the position, but all she ever was able to do was imitate the Zabaniyas of the Hassans that came before her, sometimes correctly replicating them and sometimes just creating what she thought was the real thing (based only on rumor and speculation).
We don't know anything about True Assassin's backstory yet, but he's a stone cold motherfucker who is literally undetectable.
>>141514396
Does Ayaka and Saber has romance between each other?
>>141514518
>implying he is not Cain
>>141514518
>True Assassin is there specifically to show Fake Assassin her place as a mere pretender to the name of Hassan i-Sabbah.
>
>She was Hundred-Faced Hassan's primary rival for the position, but all she ever was able to do was imitate the Zabaniyas of the Hassans that came before her, sometimes correctly replicating them and sometimes just creating what she thought was the real thing (based only on rumor and speculation).
That's your assumption
People during her age were jealous of her, which is why she didn't get the position. However other Hassan leaders throughout time are not jealous, and wonder why she didn't become leader
During FGO cursed hand hassan wonders how 4th Hassan could possibly become a Hassan leader with how weak they are, and the other girl would have been far better.
He'll fight her as a proper Hassan, maybe show her the ropes a bit, but not reject her nature.
>>141514588
She hates him, she doesn't want to be part of this war, and she freaks out when she seems blood.
There's a second Ayaka in Romania at the moment, so something is up.
>>141513625
>Does Strange Fake has the strongest set of servants in all of Fate franchise?
Not only strongest, they're fucking over powered>>141514104
>>141514487
Strange/Fake isn't connected to F/Z or F/SN at all, right? It's an alternative universe?
>>141514696
CCC still might have stronger servants in some ways for now.
Partially because they go beyond simply broken territory, and into some origin of life and all creation bullshit. Kingprotea alone is still basically the strongest summonable thing in existence.
>>141513625
Solomon incinerates them.
>>141514610
She's a Faker, she doesn't deserve the position and someone who is actually capable of originality like 4th War Hassan is far more deserving of the position.
>>141514652
>She hates him, she doesn't want to be part of this war, and she freaks out when she seems blood.
Then how Richard deal with this cunt? Follow her all the time like some kind of stalker?
>>141514487
He doesn't have the memories from his F/Z or F/SN incarnation, it's a fresh summon.
>>141514719
>>141514487
You keep saying something, no knows how to answer exactly since you were answered already and took it some some odd direction.
"It takes place after the fifth war", dissect what that means to get your answer. The fifth war is mentioned more than a few times in F/S. Don't ask what route it was.
>>141514765
Solomon is probably too powerful for even Kingprotea to defeat. Just one of his ten NP rings unleashes an attack equivalent to a million excaliblasts at once that destroyed time completely and utterly, with the exception of special singularities.
>>141514652
She doesn't hate him, she's just annoyed by him.
Can somebody explain why almost every Assassin is Hasan? From my understanding, it's something to do with the word coming from his name, so the word "Assassin" alone is a relic that causes him to show up?
But in that case, why did neither Kirei and Tokiomi, or Zouken come up with specific relics to summon actual decent servants? Both Tokiomi and Zouken obviously have the power to come up with god-tier relics, hence Gil and Medusa. With Tokiomi I guess it can be explained away as him not wanting to give something powerful enough to get past Gil, but why would Zouken of all people settle with Hasan?
>>141514922
Nah, Solomon is on par with 9 tailed Tamamo according to Tamamo in her interlude. King Protea is around Amaterasu's level who is another level beyond 9 tailed Tamamo.
>>141514922
Fuck off with your cancer back to /fgog/ dumb FGOfag.
>>141515044
Fuyuki grail was set up so that it forced any Assassin summoning to be Hassan originally
Other people can qualify, but the legitimate grail is only supposed to allow Hassan. Because those are the only Assasins that the three families could guarantee are still legitimate heroes, and because the Assassin class was meant to lose in the first place. Only the three knight classes were supposed to win.
Assassins other than Hassan are usually closer to anti-heroes, they are not true heroes. The grail was originally set up to limit it so only true heroes could be summoned, before it was warped.
>>141515092
I guess we know where Origin-boosted Servants are in the power scale, then. I guess that's what Grand Servants must be in general.
>>141515148
Okay, thanks senpai. That actually makes sense. I really wish that more of this shit was translated so I could read the actual explanations myself.
How long until Nasu finally lets someone summon Jesus? We already have artifacts for him so they don't even need to asspull one.
>>141513625
link for raw please
Is it me or this Gil looks a bit older compared to his Zero and F/SN counterpart?
>>141515148
As a reminder as well, only the Fuyuki war had this rule in place, that hassan is the one that has to be summoned.
Different grail wars have different rules.
Its not a contradiction when other assassins are summoned in other contests. Other heroes could qualify from the start as that class, but in the Fuyuki contest it was supposed to limit it harshly.
>>141515258
so far I can only find chink translations
http://www.dm5.com/manhua-fate-strange-fake/
>>141515253
None of the supposed artifacts of Jesus are real, anon. They're all fakes that were created centuries ago. Jesus's real shawl, the real Lance of Longinus, and the grail from which he drank were either lost to the decay of time or destroyed in the last 2,000 years.
>>141515311
doesn't matter
arigatou
>>141515322
He pretty obviously means in the franchise, Martha and several other FGO Servants reference Jesus in their profiles.
>>141514610
>People during her age were jealous of her, which is why she didn't get the position.
They were jealous, but more than that they didn't like the idea of her extremism being coupled with so much power. Who knows, they might have been much more welcome to the idea of seeing her as Hassan if she wasn't quite so much of a fanatic.
>>141515363
oh right
>>141515322
They really should have made evil Jesus show up at the end of every war with the grail. You can't have a war with ancient characters being resurrected to fight for something called the holy grail and not include Jesus.
>>141514610
>During FGO cursed hand hassan wonders how 4th Hassan could possibly become a Hassan leader with how weak they are, and the other girl would have been far better.
That's rich coming from Cursed Arm Hassan.
He'd get his ass destroyed by Hundred-Faced Hassan because there's no way he can handle 100 highly skilled killing machines at once, and his Noble Phantasm isn't suited for fighting groups of enemies either.
>>141515269
Literally the worst character in the series.
>>141515478
>Evil Jesus
This is always a damn stupid idea. Buhhda is immune to all six billion curses in the world, Gilgamesh is as well, you think Jesus isn't as well when him taking all sins upon him and overcoming them all is literally part of his lore? Part of his story is literally that he already overcome the world and all evils long ago.
Even people who merely met Jesus in lore gained passive divinity, even those people gained the ability to overcome sin and have indomitable will. You think Jesus himself isn't ten times more broken than that? Jesus isn't evil, he's not Avenger either, he's the perfect holy martyr as an entire point.
If Fate gets anything right at all, then he would be portrayed somewhat like Karna if he's portrayed correctly. Except a bit more passionate about things like salvation.
>>141514104
Is Richard a True saber?
>>141515652
Yes, there isn't a Fake Saber in the Fake Holy Grail War because reasons
So don't lump him in with those faggot-ass fakers, Richard is the real fuckin deal, right down to the marrow of his bones
>>141515652
The Saber class bridges the Fake and True wars. Rick is the only Saber, so calling him Fake Saber or True Saber is sort of redundant and misleading.
>>141514487
Gil is stated to have been summoned two times already, so the 4th and 5th war happened.
magnificent
>>141515692
I was just confused because anon listed his name along with the fake servants.
>>141515793
I love it when Gil is going all out.
How have there been so many spinoffs but we still haven't gotten a situation where Saber has to fight a Saberclone? Mordred and Saber need to have a rematch
>>141513625
>>141515269
>>141515513
>>141515793
why the manga art of strange fake is so good compared to other fates?
>>141515937
Because Narita is actually skilled when it comes to write a chaotic story involving multiple characters. And this is exactly what F/SF is.
>>141515926
Grudge matches are like one of the few things that Fate hasn't really given much spotlight up to this point
Even though they're an incredible idea, only Lancelot vs. Saber has really happened
>>141516009
Gilgamesh vs Heracles is going to happen anon, and Heracles seems to be pretty pissed off.
>>141516009
We might get a proper Hippolyta vs. Alcides grudge match actually, and that could be very interesting.
>>141515618
Besides jesus is kind of considered the holy grail so there's no point if he's summoned
Why is Hippolyta the coolest Rider in the series up to this point?
She rides a horse, uses a bow and arrow, punches shit, and IIRC she must have a spear or sword as well
why dont they just summon santa and ask for the holy grail for christmas?
>the only good fate is Zero and strange fake the rest are utter shit.
>>141515937
It's pretty good but HF manga is better.
>>141516081
"Heracles is super de duper mad about Ilya and is getting his revenge now!!! SUck it Gil!", is nothing but a fan theory.
Heracles doesn't remember Ilya, isn't angry, and refuses to attack Gil's master which is the reason that Heracles master warps him with grail mud.
Heracles master took away his morality and created a bitter hate machine because he just wanted a death machine who would kill everyone. He drove Heracles mad by forcing him to remember the hatred from his life when Hera made him kill his own children, not Ilya. Now he hates divine things supposedly.
>>141516184
You called ?
>>141515996
does narita consult to nasu when it comes to the story?
>>141514104
Either disease incarnate, or one of the riders of the apocalypse
>>141516302
Yes, all guest writers do.
>>141516259
He said that only the weaks and "mindless beast" would be caught by GoB when he faced Gil. Maybe it's just fan service, or he recalled something about their fight.
>>141516302
Yes
He also notes at the end of each volume how he's always losing his mind over Nasu's choices, both coming and going. Nasu keeps telling him to go further with it, Narita said its crazy that Enkidu is so powerful, Nasu tells him to calm down.
Narita says that Nasu may have used one of his ideas he was considering in FGO, like Nasu predicted him too quickly. Nasu is a genius when it comes to chuuni bullshit, he can see what you're going to do before you do it.
>>141516230
>It's pretty good but HF manga is better.
The heaven's feel manga art is not as good as strange fake's in my opinion.
>>141516230
Not after the most recent chapter. They couldn't make an exposition dump look more interesting than "heads from different angles". Which begs the question of how they're going to handle some of the stuff later in the route
>>141516186
PEPE SERVANT WHEN?!
>>141516420
Talking about the art style/quality specifically. They're both pretty good in that regard anyway.
>>141516259
>and created a bitter hate machine
It´s herakles it won´t last for long.
>>141516391
Yeah, what the fuck is up with Enkidu?
Presence Detection and the self-modification thing are both cool and powerful on their own, but Enkidu having his own fucking Gate of Babylon is absurd and has not even the slightest basis in the myth.
>>141516493
His master shoved a mana crystal inside of him that will power him for a month straight.
Its made from 25,000 human souls.
>>141516529
Read CCC, he's had this ability for ages.
https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/entry-111-someone-elses-dream/
Him creating weapons is a subset of his transformation. He's a weapon of the gods made out of clay, he can repurpose his clay into any form or shape he chooses, which is the basis for his abilities.
I wish we would get more Arthurian knights.
I want Escanor to show up so he can have a sunny d off with Gawain
or ascended Galahad that just has his own holy grail included.
>>141516529
It has about as much basis as Gilgamesh being a blonde dude in golden plate armor who bombards people with treasures fired from a magical wormhole.
>>141516626
Galahad is in FGO
He already returned the grail to heaven, in exchange for one request. His request is that he chooses when he dies.
>>141516626
Galahad is already in F/GO, he's actually not all that strong compared to the rest of the round table, he just has A++ defensive capabilities.
>>141516600
Yeah okay sure Enkidu being a clay-based Unlimited Blade Works makes tons of sense
Who else is gonna get Unlimited Blade Works except better as an ability? We've already got half a dozen by now.
>>141515996
>Narita
>skilled
Pick one. DRRR was pure shit.
>>141514104
>Richard the Lionheart - Anything he picks up is Excalibur
does Richard's excalibur has the same quality like the one with arthuria's?
and based with this image I guess he can make avalon as well.
>>141516696
did he choose to die the day Saber ended up burning her kingdom to the ground?
>>141516814
It's nowhere near as strong as the real Excalibur.
>>141516696
Also the true holy grail doesn't grant endless greed and wishes without heed of morality or deserving.
True holy grail does "something", but not wishes. Grails that grant greed without question are divergent of the chalice of the whore of babylon.
True holy grail might grand immortality or something.
>>141516734
>He's not actually that strong
Current form is just demi-servant, meaning that even someone using a fraction of his true power has beaten Lancelot and Arthuria a few times already in the story, and Mashu is still getting stronger and learning how to use his power, her power is growing.
>>141516823
Saber just assumed he died like the others on that day.
Really he died walking back to Camelot, because a bunch of people from heaven came down to tell him he was the greatest, and he said "Well, its not getting better than this" and chose to die.
>>141516626
>I wish we would get more Arthurian knights.
nah, I want more European kings.
>>141515513
>it seems that in this war
wait, he couldn't in f/z and f/sn ?
Also I thought he was a Gil without memories like >>141514859 said so how does he know about the other wars?
>>141514409
It was pretty obvious even back in the first volume. I don't know why some people thought it wasn't him.
>>141516903
Mashu can beat Lancelot and Saber Alter because she has Galahad's shield, which is B+++ rank and surpasses even Excalibur's power with its sheer defensive value.
She's getting stronger, but it's still the NP that is powerful, not her or Galahad.
Same could be argued of Arturia, though.
>>141516850
Does that mean if he grabs his dick it becomes excalibur?
>>141517030
Only if he regards it as a weapon.
>>141517048
would a condom become avalon?
>>141517089
Either the condom or the vagina of the woman he's boning.
Or ass.
Or mouth/throat, maybe?
>>141516960
He's usually king of arrogance, so he always putz around and does nothing, and loses because he's arrogant. Nasu says that if he was ever serious he would be a dreaded servant killer without question however. Him being arrogant is supposed to be the counter to him being broken as shit.
Enkidu being summoned was enough to get him serious off the bat.
Its a war where they can rationalize him using his full power rather than fucking around like usual
He starts off the fight against Enkidu by using Ea, and only goes up from there.
>>141517157
no one can defeat Gil without plot armor.
>>141516991
All of Fate's battles can be summed up as
>welp I'm gonna lose if I don't use my NP against this guy who's more skilled/stronger/faster than me
>trump card with an absurdly complex chuuni name go!
>Oh no the other guy had another trump card that beats mine!
>good thing I have this trump card that beats trump cards!
Nothing matters except noble phantasms. It's all so fucking hollow after you realize it.
Guess I should give up hope on ever seeing a normal Heracles in a grail war
Because if I keep hoping, he'll probably end up genderbent or something stupid the next time he shows up
>>141517545
>genderbent
>he doesn't know about the 3 years Heracles spent as a woman in the myth
>>141516814
>blonde dyed Ayaka
FUCKING WHY?! THE BLACK HAIR IS SO MUCH BETTER!
>>141517545
He was normal Heracles this time, a normal and good Archer.
His master was a dickbag though, and didn't like having a hero with so many morals.
>>141517545
It's okay anon, Hippolyta is gonna beat the evil out of Alcides with her bare hands if she has to.
I wonder who Hippolyta's master is, and why he/she is letting her run so rampant, anyways.
>nose
OYYYYYY VEYYYYYYYY
>>141517430
The real problem is that none of the mages generally have the intelligence to actually bothering to do some fucking research because they're all retarded.
The point of the servants hiding their NP is so that noone can know who they are and figure out a weakness from that. Then they go right ahead and don't even bother exploiting the weaknesses of any summoned heroes.
>>141513625
>thinking fate-powerlevels are dependenton anything other than how much crystal meth Nasu's smoked
Tell me about Hercules why does he wear a towel mask?
>>141518031
To hide his scar, do you know how get got those?Why so serious?
>>141517966
This isn't DBZ after all; Stats are a thing, skills are a thing, strategy is a thing, skill in arms is a thing, NP are a thing, everything is a thing rather than being linear "My power level is 2000 and yours is 1800, so I win" like some people seem to want.
There are a thousand ways to get a chance upon the opponent because of this. If he's better than you in stats, then use strategy or NP instead. If he has a better NP, then don't make it a contest of NP, figure out a way around him.
Anyone can beat anyone situationally or depending on how they use their abilities.
>>141517229
Gilgamesh can't defeat anyone without plot power.
>>141518131
If it was pulled off would he die?
>>141517897
Man you're so right.
Apocrypha was the fucking worst about it.
You had two servants whose entire schtick was having legendary weak points in their super armor - Achilles and Siegfried. Them revealing their identity by using a NP would be a risky move because of their well known legends and weaknesses.
Siegfried dies before his identity can be revealed and that weak point ever comes into play (it still doesn't matter because it never comes up for Sieg).
And Achilles' identity is instantly revealed when Chiron recognizes him despite him never using a NP, and Chiron does target his heel at first, but then drops it and nobody ever aims for it again because Chiron doesn't actually need to due to being divine, they have their fight, and then Achilles dies saving Atalanta in a situation that had nothing to do with his heel.
So, yeah, I'm mad.
>>141517602
>BLACK HAIR
Looks brown desu.
>>141518179
no probably let the avenger par tof him dominate and he would be a terminator
>>141518239
he's a big guy
>>141518031
His wife was jealous.
She wanted that he only loves her.
So she put a loves potion on his favorite shirt.
She didn´t know it was a basically acid.
It destroyed herkules skin and his wife killed herself.
>>141518541
Are the women in Greece so crazy?
>>141518541
Was it A-rank acid?
>>141518597
She was tricked into it by a dying centaur whom Heracles had killed. In some variations, it was Hera who convinced her that Heracles was cheating on her.
But yes, the moral of the story is that even the greatest man can be destroyed if you target his loved ones.
>>141517569
>he doesn't know about the 3 years Heracles spent as a woman in the myth
Was that also includet in his 12 labours?
>>141518635
Hydra blood, so probably A++ at a minimum
>>141517605
>His master was a dickbag though, and didn't like having a hero with so many morals.
No, he asked him if killing loli Master was okay with him (Gil and Pale Rider Masters are little girls) since it's the easiest way to deal with powerful/dagerous Servants, and he said no. That's why he turned him into evil Towel Man.
>>141518681
>it was Hera
That´s basically his whole story
>>141518695
No, it was a separate penance for killing a friend during a fit of madness sent by Hera, post 12 labors.
>>141518681
remember kids when you are a hero you must not have a family
>>141518681
Also, she legit thought it was just a potion that would make him have only eyes for her. Poor girl was just a bit gullible. Heracles forgave her; he probably loved her for her emotional and mental purity in the first place.
Scans never.
Any guess for his Ex np?
Could it be about him holding the sky.
or him breaking the unbreaking chains of Prometheus.
Or him killing as the only mortal the giants.
>>141519215
Since it's Alcides and not Heracles, it has to have something to do with his human side. All those feats are very divine in nature.
Will a Ruler show up in this fate?
>>141519215
Probably another sublimation.
>>141519377
Not as far as it has been indicated.
>>141519215
All of his Labor are in the King's Order NP. His EX NP must be something else.
>>141519377
No Ruler yet, but Avenger is stated to take part in this war.
>>141519377
Maybe. In the first volume it was brought up as a possibility.
>>141516539
Who the fuck is his master?
...Are they Jewish souls?
>>141519504
>His EX NP must be something else.
Didn´t Archer mentioned that herkuled tamed the wildnature for humanity?
What in the fuck is Type-MOON's boner with Francois Prelati?
Dude was a fucking hack who robbed Gilles de Rais blind and probably got fucked in the ass by him as well.
But here he is, a super op mage who can summon himself as a servant?
I usually like how they take historical/mythical figures and spin them into crazy shit because it's usually not all that far out - but this Prelati shit is pandering.
>inb4 Prelati was a semen demon loli before tho
Even fucking worse because irl Prelati and Gilles de Rais raped and murdered children on a regular basis - to be portrayed as a semen demon loli is just tone deaf awful.
>>141519650
Some James Bond villain with weird eyes and looted tech from Medea's original master in FSN.
>>141519650
This guy >>141517605
>>141519736
>implying a semen demon loli can't rape and murder children on a regular basis
>doesn't even have the Hero of Heroes
What's the difference between True Hassan and Jack the Ripper in Strange Fake?
Don't they have basically the same abilities?
>>141520041
Jack is a shapeshifter. Hassan is so good at hiding he literally becomes the darkness.
>>141520158
So Jack doesn't have any presence concealment? Can't other servants tell he's a servant?
>becomes the darkness
Like Li Shuwen basically?
What do we know about their personalities so far? They seem pretty interesting
I hope they don't fuck up strange fake it has a potential to surpass zero.
>>141519504
>Avenger
I know people were thinking Dumas would summon Dantes, but couldn't that have been referring to Heracles's double class?
>>141520286
No to much of a coincident
>>141520286
No, Narita said he would appear in F/GO first, and we have Manjew, Jeanne Alter and Dantes as Avenger for now.
>>141518886
yes.
Manga vol.1 and vol.2 was scanned
Novel only vol.1 and vol.2 was scanned but no the vol.3
>>141514104
Just waiting for odyseus to wander in
>>141514104
>probably a divine spirit
please everybody except her.
>>141520637
TM is saving that for when Shinji gets added to GO.
>>141514396
>Enkidu, Richard, and Zealot have formed an alliance
What about Gil?
>>141518762
I chortled.
Is there any chance of Arturia/Emiya appearing in Strange Fake? If there is, I might pick it up.
>>141520716
Getting BTFO'd by everybody.
>>141520755
No, and thank fuck for that.
>>141520693
Seriously?
>>141520755
>Is there any chance of Arturia/Emiya appearing in Strange Fake?
Fuck No, I might drop it if she did.
>>141520821
Yes. Trust me on this, my dad is Japan.
>>141520755
Emiya get referenced by Dumas.
>>141516734
Galahad is not in FGO. Mashu is a demi servant and she's not even using his power correctly.
Yet she has already beaten powerhouses.
>>141520755
>Arturia/Emiya appearing in Strange Fake
Fuck that. It's already bad enough that Gil is in there, adding TM's cashcow Takeuchi waifu and Nasu's super special boring "cool" guy OF servant would only make everything worse.
CCC is still higher on powerlevel tierlist on the True Route.
>>141520756
W8 wut?
>>141521040
Archer is much better than Gilgamesh.
Gil and Enkidu are easily the worst part of F/SF. Enkidu is a shit character that sucks Gil's cock way too much. Everyone else is better.
>>141521089
He's yet to win a single fight, everybody he matches up against either counters his swordspam and laughs at him before legging it, or fights him off.
>>141521081
How so?
>>141514922
Solomon is shit. Can't even beat Amaterasu
>>141521089
People seriously hate Gilgamesh on this board and on /vg/ for various reason, they get off to hating him.
So they get off on stating how he's absolutely shit beaten out of him dead in the water fucked over by everyone.
In reality, no actual damage so far, he's just annoyed. He's fought twice so far, one was a draw, and the second was interrupted with no damage on either side.
Does anybody have that old list of servants?
It'd probably be nearly impossible to make a big chart now that would actually be able to show each servant/iteration/identity, what with all the fluff from GO and dual-groups from the novels.
>>141521089
>summoned as a fake
>cockblocked by Birthday Ghost
>BTFO'd by Towelman
>NTR'd by Rick
>>141521229
>not being able to solo one of the strongest beings in Nasuverse means he's shit
Also, other heavenly pantheons when?
>>141521207
Sakura clones are technically servants under the mooncell system, Saver still exists, your playable servant gets an origin body upgrade (making Gil and Caster stronger than any servant in SF), and Gawain + Li Shuwen are still fucking broken pieces of absurd shit, and Shiki is still knocking about iirc.
>>141514104
Dumas is white. What the fuck.
>>141521279
Amaterasu is not even type level.
>>141521207
Have you seen CCC true route? Your servant has to be buffed to the point of controlling distance between the entire galaxy, is faster than light speed, controls time and space, to just be able to complete with the last two bosses at all.
One monster from CCC is strong enough to destroy stars, and another rules over three thousand worlds potentially.
Its what happens when you end up fighting the Mooncell itself, or fighting something that wishes upon the Mooncell to become all powerful basically.
>>141521229
The most powerful being on earth has only the slimmest chance of beating Amaterasu on her double home turf, the Moon.
>>141521242
Heracles shattered his armor with a normalfag arrow
>>141521325
Nine Tailed Tamamo is capable of beating True Demon Kiara, who IS type level.
Amaterasu is stronger than both of them to the point that neither would stand a chance against her.
>>141521279
Amaterasu is pretty mid tier for a goddess anywhere but the Moon Cell, isn't she?
And even then, Types and Primordial Demons should exceed them.
Still dumb to say a Grand Servant is weak for not being on her level though.
>>141521310
There's also 100+ other servants besides those.
>>141521089
He got cockblocked in his fight with Enkidu, and he was reduced to yelling like a toddler in his fight against True Archer.
>>141521310
>Sakura clones are technically servants under the mooncell system
Alter Egos are technically servants under any system, drama CD confirms they're recorded in the throne even if they're unlikely to be summoned in other world lines due to how its hard to find a catalyst for that.
They're summonable in FGO eventually already confirmed.
>>141521268
Top kek, what faggot.
>>141521383
Didn't damage him though, that's kind of the purpose of armor. Its what stands between you and being damaged.
Also he only got his gauntlet shattered by protecting Tine if I remember. He perceived where the arrow would aim, and put his hand out so his master wouldn't be hurt.
>>141521398
Kiara was sabotaged by the nature of how Hans had her ascend, though. It's explicitly stated none of the servants would EVER beat her if she hadn't been fucked her over.
>>141521348
>CCCfag is here
That never happens. They do move faster than light but they never control galaxies and there are no star busting feats, literally hyperbole.
You've been BTFO a million times in both /a/ and /fgog/ CCCfag, stop spreading your headcanon
>>141521383
>normalfag arrow
I don't get it.
>>141521314
Not only that, he talks like a ghetto nigger.
>>141521458
Saber swinging unsheathed Excalibur was not able to penetrate Gil's armor even with a dozen blows, and unsheathed Excalibur is a 1000 to Invisible Air's 30 on the sword sharpness and power rating scale.
>>141521484
>/fgog/
Fuck off crossboarder. Nobody cares about your general.
>>141521492
only a normal arrow shot from 20 km and at a supersonic speed
>>141520973
>creates fake NP's stronger than originals
He's like Shirou's/Archer's wet dream.
>mfw he learns to make a drill powerful enough to escape being a Counter Guardian
>>141521349
Except that's not what it says?
It says Berserker Arcueid had to be nerfed to a point where Amaterasu would stand a chance.
It's not even full powered Arcueid(and obviously not Archetype Earth) she can't even use Ultimate One properly and she has been downgraded from planet to god
>>141521484
Not that guy but Caster does reduce the distance between galaxies in digital space to zero at one point after she's sent to other side of one.
Couldn't Caster just out swordspam Gil?
>>141521583
it uses a lot of stamina to create the a noble phantasm each time it it not as easy like what emiya do
Is the book farther along than the manga?
>>141521458
>Also he only got his gauntlet shattered by protecting Tine if I remember. He perceived where the arrow would aim, and put his hand out so his master wouldn't be hurt.
>Gil
>Giving a fuck about his master
????
>>141521570
It's literally said she flies.
The rest is Casko speaking weird about love and all her moe garbage that she loves to spout.
>>141521558
He's more power over number compared to them.
So he can make stronk NP copies, but he can't swordspam or generate new ones on the fly.
It's a fair tradeoff tbqh
>>141521627
she is from the old civilisation who guarded the country where babylon was she is like his subjects and a king protect his people (sometime)
>>141521583
He doesn't make new shit very fast. Team Justice & Blow is getting on quality over quantity instead.
>>141521640
She flies after having reduced the distance to zero, yes.
The moe love garbage was just her explanation for how she pulled it off.
>>141521268
>>141521383
>>141521405
Gil didn't use EA against archer Herc.
>>141521627
He's a father figure for Tine, he likes kids officially as shown in Ataraxia. Before you bring up basement orphans, that was just Kotomine's side project, Gil is confirmed to have spent the time between wars in child form. Even if someone didn't like this fact, officially Gil likes and is popular with kids. He's also very good with most of his masters officially.
Gilgamesh is a good master with Kotomine, Tine, Hakuno; people give him shit but he's very accommodating as long as you're not a pussy, like Tokiomi.
He tells Tine that its fine if she acts like a child and foolish in front of him, she's permitted to make mistakes and he'll cover for her.
He treats her very well
>>141521484
Is CCC good?
I am still studying japanese, but it looks so good.
Is it hard or are you a native?
>>141521755
there is a english version
>>141521563
Uh, no. Berserker Arc is so weak that even Caster can beat her.
What Nasu said in that extra material was that normal Arc - 30% Arc - would only have the slimmest of chances of beating Amaterasu. That means, even if she went all out and unleashed 100% of her power, she would still only have middling odds of winning.
>>141521739
>protecting brown loli
This Gil is a good guy
Is there any group translating this as of now ?
>>141521736
Herc encouraged him to use it and Gil tried to play it cool, Herc said it was his last chance but since he didn't want to use EA then we has going to die a fool.
Then Rider appeared out of nowhere to save Gil's ass
>>141521736
Yeah, and he made himself look like a moronic manchild because of it.
>>141521755
It's probably Nasu's best written story in terms of the prose and execution of the themes, but whether or not you'll like it is subjective.
If you wanna see a sci-fantasy love story (in the truest and strangest sense possible) by him, go for it.
>>141521807
Only F/SN Gil was the shitty one, but people still can't forgive him for even that much.
The entire irony is that he's in the reverse position from Heracles now, where Gil is protecting his loli, and Heracles is trying to kill her.
>>141521787
>slimmest chances
Anon it's backwards, the materials say that Arcueid was nerfed to a level where Amaterasu might stand a chance.
The talk about % is your headcanon, the entry is about white Berserker
>>141521405
>he was reduced to yelling like a toddler in his fight against True Archer.
Elaborate
>>141521808
Give me raws or even Chinese version and I can give it a try.
>>141521879
No it's not, the kanji used in that specific bit of trivia specifically refers to 30% Arceuid.
Listen to yourself. Berserker Arceuid is so weak she can't even win a Grail War. How could she possibly give Amaterasu a hard time?
>>141521881
>Gil swordspams
>Archer easily counters
>Gil swordspams hard
>Archer counters and shatters Gil's armour with a normal arrow
>Gil tries to talk tough
>Archer calls him a little bitch
>Gil gets pissy
>>141521881
He started ranting like a pathetic bitch, remember his fight against Shirou when Shirou mocked him and called him useless with a weapon?
Well Berserker told him that GoB was garbage and nobody decent would give a shit about it
>>141521809
>>141521822
He was just holding back because herc don't deserve to see its power.
>>141521865
This is what delusional CCCfags keep telling themselves.
>>141521627
You wouldn't protect this delicious brown loli ?
>>141517229
Various Indian heroes probably could but that's only because indian mythology is chuuni as fuck
>>141521780
No there isn't
>>141521865
Fuck, I'll try it but is it hard to read?
>>141522006
Maybe not his best story overall. But I'm pretty he himself said it was his best Fate story.
>>141521958
You're confusing things to shift the meaning in a way where you seem like you're trying to slide something past here.
Only his gauntlet broke, and that was before he sword-spammed at all. The only piece of his armor that broke was before the fight started.
Archer was never even aiming at Gil in the first place, he was always aiming at Tine. Gilgamesh didn't sword spam and then lose out as his armor broke, as he was now losing badly. You shifted his armor breaking to the bottom of the list, and made it sound like all of his armor broke, to make it sound like he's getting fucked up as the fight goes on.
>>141521937
I'm not going to parrot all day here, it doesn't matter if it's berserker or 30%. The entry says Arcueid was nerfed to a level where Amaterasu might stand a chance.
30% arc is her nor even trying.
Holy shit I wanna FSF to get animated just to see Gil crying like a baby while getting btfo by Herc.
This shit is gold.
>>141522006
I'm not a CCCfag m8
Nasu was an amateur when he wrote pretty much all his major works, and it shows. His later stuff has gotten a bit better, and CCC just happens to be the peak of the pile of mediocrity that is his prose.
>>141521739
You don't know jack shit about F/HA.
The adult Gil in F/HA is shota Gil who finally decided to age up after enjoying being in his shota form long enough.
Adult Gil in F/HA is not the same Adult Gil from F/SN, you stupid fuck.
Adult Gil in F/HA is an adult Gil that managed to retain his friendly shota personality from his childhood days.
As expected of a dumb Gilfag secondary who has no idea what he is talking about.
>>141521881
This is how the fight went:
>Gilgamesh put on a malicious smile and deployed the Gate of Babylon over a large area around the hill. Deployed over all sides around Archer, the entrance to his vault began to undulate like a tornado. Suddenly, innumerous noble phantasms were blasted out with the momentum of a machine gun, creating a tornado of light and impact high above the hill. Dozens, hundreds, thousands of noble phantasms came raining down onto the man standing in the center of the tornado. At times, they were blades, at times they were knowledge, at times they were pain, at times they were knowledge. There had been a long sword that slayed an oriental dragon. There had been a demonic sword that brought ruin. There had been a spear that killed heroes. There had been lightning without form. The originals of all the noble phantasms humanity had obtained or created were propelled unsparingly. A hellish rain spun by mankind was fired in all directions in 360 degrees. Tine seeing the amazing sight had imagined that not even chunks of flesh would remain of Archer. But once the tornado settled, a spectacle that betrayed Gilgamesh and Tine’s expectations greeted them. In it was Archer, still uninjured, brushing off the dust from the long piece of cloth covering his body, and around him, piles of innumerous noble phantasms.
“It can’t be…” said Tine, her eyes bulging in disbelief, but Gilgamesh ignored her and looked at his foe.
For some time, silence dominated the hill, but that was soon broken by Archer’s chuckling.
”Heh….hehheh…..hgh….ha…hahaha…”
An obviously mocking voice emerged from behind the cloth.
“What is so amusing?” asked Gilgamesh with a blank expression, to which Archer replied back, saying very clearly:
“Weak.”
>>141522054
It's no harder than any of his other post-Stay Night stuff, but you NEED to be at at least a high school reading level for it unless you're willing to constantly reference a dictionary.
>>141522090
So random Servants can take down Berserker Arceuid more easily than a god more powerful than Kiara can?
I don't know where you got the way you read that from, because not only is that not what's in the actual kanji, it doesn't make a lick of sense.
>>141522108
Nope, CCC is Nasu at his laziest.
He even got a chance to plagiarize more from past writers like essentially just editing and modifying certain parts of the Epic of Gilgamesh and then calling it a day.
>>141522110
Not only are you wrong, but you're mad as fuck. No he's not Ko-Gil in personality as older Gil. The entire scene I'm talking about involves him bullying the shit out of Cu, which isn't something Ko-Gil would do. No he isn't just Ko-Gil aged up or whatever.
He's the same Gil from F/SN, but not in a villain spot so we see him just fucking around and being an ass in a more comedic way. As Gil and EMIYA team up to fuck with Cu fishing.
>>141522194
Did you just ignore everything Shota Gil said about his Adult Self in F/HA?
Keep sucking Adult Gil's dick since you are so blinded by your worship at him despite his own young self shitting on him in canon.
>>141522172
>0.005% of the script is a retelling of the epic of gilgamesh
>"wow, plagiarism much?"
You can't be serious, can you?
>>141522164
I am probably not at that level.
I read Tsukihime and its spin-off (Except for melty blood), Fate/SN (now reading HA) in japanese.
But that was thanks to a text hooker.
Thanks for answering anyway.
>>141522132
For clarification, reason TA survived is due to Nemian Lion NP which blocks all piercing or outside attacks or something.
Its not an almighty NP, but very hard to counter if you don't realize the trick behind it. Even Heracles had to choke the lion physically since no weapon could pierce it.
>>141521627
Gil even gave her the youth of elixir so I guess she'll remain loli for a longer time.
>>141522166
Like I already told you, it doesn't matter. Ok it's 30% and not Berserker Arc.
Amaterasu MIGHT have a chance of beating 30% Arc, wow, amazing, great.
>>141521929
http://www.dm5.com/m246392-p112/#ipg1
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4339242665?pid=83551758864&cid=#83551758864
>>141522243
Considering a delusional CCCfag like yourself kept spamming the same Gil passage from CCC all the time as evidenced by the archive and constantly praising it when nobody asked for an obnoxious dump in greentext.
>>141521929
Check it out on kissmanga
>>141522297
what the fuck does that have to do with you not knowing what plagiarism means?
>>141522255
I think it's been said that the Nemean Lion hide actually prevents all weapons from penetrating it. So it'd be weak to anything that isn't a 'weapon'. That's why Hippolyta was able to punch him so hard and it actually worked.
>>141513625
>CCCfag ruining threads
All that's left is Lancelot.
>>141522285
>>141522166
Do either of you fuckers have a source that someone might be actually able to clarify with?
>>141522255
Nemian Lion makes him basically immune to any weapon.
>>141521881
Gil and his chocolaty master are chilling in an Indian casino. Towel surprises them by blasting out the wall with arrow spam from a couple of miles away. He even managed to pierce a force field Gil had put up in case Enkidu would try something.
Gil was kinda pissed off and boarded the Vimana with the loli to meet Towel in a cliff. Towel kept ineffectively spamming arrows at them as they made their way to him. Gil arrives and tries to get Towel to talk, but gets ignored while Towel keeps shooting at the loli even as she hides on the Vimana and is protected by the ship's force field.
Gil gets even more pissed off and fires some crap from GoB. Towel is completely unharmed. Gil starts shouting some stuff that doesn't even make sense and is even called childish by the narration, and fires fuckloads of stuff at Towel from every angle. Towel is unharmed and pretty much calls Gil a shit who couldn't match up without Ea. Gil draws Merodach and then gets interrupted by Hippolyta, who punches Towel into a mountain. She tells Gil to back the fuck off and then ignored him. Gil is pretty much fuming at this point. And then there's a giant fiery explosion where Towel landed.
>>141522255
Wouldnt that mean Ea can harm him ? Cause it isnt classified as a weapon
>>141522434
Which is dumb as fuck honestly.
Even if nothing can pierce it, a hit with an object will still impart it's kinetic force on him.
>>141522364
> So it'd be weak to anything that isn't a 'weapon'
He didn´t use it aginst gilgamesh.That what is on his face is his deathshirt.
>>141522556
Maybe
Heracles has one more EX rank NP, that's probably how he was planning to counter it.
>>141518031
Why the fuck herc just wear that shitty towel around his body instead of covering his face?
It fucking ruined his character design.
>>141522600
Because no one cared who he was before he put on the towel
>>141522590
Hercules already broke through Enkidu, surprising Gil back in F/SN since he didn't expect Enkidu to break since it was the first time it happened.
This Gil doesn't even have the knowledge that Hercules in F/SN managed to break through Enkidu.
>>141522649
Epic.
>>141522008
I'd consider it.
>>141522566
Yes, but it's Heracles we are talking about. I think he can manage with just the impact.
>>141522255
>is due to Nemian Lion NP
Do you think that or do you know that?
Herakles statement wouldn´t make sense if you´re right:
>“All you do is throw weapons blindly...even hurling sand would have made a better substitute...“
>The mysterious Archer continued speaking in the chilly atmosphere he created.
“>Such puerile tricks can defeat only weaklings……or non-thinking beasts.”
>He spoke softly but it was evident that what he said had strength in it containing not simple
>>141522535
>Gil and his chocolaty master are chilling in an Indian casino.
Is Gil gambling in the casino?
>>141522752
Even with God Hand you're able to kill him using any weapon so long as you have A rank strength.
Without it even B should be able to ruin his day, and C should still sting like a motherfucker.
>>141521868
All versions of Gil are shitty. He's easily one of the most boring characters in literally every single franchise installment he's been featured in.
>>141522649
Can he remove the towel ?
>>141522752
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Hercules in canon had enough strength to carry the weight of the heavens on his shoulders.
>>141522815
You are talking about a "sane" Heracles who managed to be unscratched after a 360° swordspam with thousand of NP from GoB. Something God Hand didn't allow him to do.
>>141522671
Even though Gil has been beaten before, Ea never has been beaten directly. Avalon is the only one that broke through it before by putting the user in another dimension, and thus not contesting it.
Ea can't be underestimated, in all of its entries it says its at the top of NPs, is from before the planet, and is the conceptualization of the creation of the planet.
You can bet against Gil, but betting against Ea might be a bit much. Also Heracles also doesn't have knowledge that he broke through Enkidu.
>>141522787
No, he's just there because Tine's people are Native Americans and happen to own the casino. He does meet this based as fuck priest guy, though.
>>141522903
And? What does that have to do with it being dumb that the Lion fur nullifies all damage from weapons, including kinetic force, while strangling and crushing still work?
>>141522754
Its in the newest volume according to spoilers. Spoilers might be shoddy early on, but spoilers have turned out correct so far. Its the reason Hippo could hurt Herc even though Gil couldn't.
>>141522861
It's all in the knees.
>>141522817
Yeah, Gil is pretty shitty. There are more interesting people in Sumerian mythology than Gil.
He's the King with one of the least achievements on the Sumerian King List as well.
The only good thing he did for his citizens was help build a wall around one of the temples located in Uruk and it wasn't even the large city wall outside.
He spent more time goofing off with Enkidu than being King and doing paperwork and shit.
And before Enkidu appeared, he was raping his own citizens and abusing his authority that everyone in town prayed for the gods to do something about Gil running amok.
>>141522815
> using any weapon so long as you have A rank strength.
You make it sound so easy.That´s like saying you just have
to shoot acchiles heel
He will never will be a regular hero.
>>141522958
It's a conceptual armament you dumbfuck. If the damage is inflicted by a weapon - all of which cause it through kinetic force, by the fucking way - then it is negated. If it is not a weapon, like a fucking fist, then the damage isn't negated.
>>141523012
>help build a wall
So he made Uruk great again?
>>141523013
A rank strength is a big deal, yes.
B rank is pretty much standard for Berserker/Lancer/Saber classes and isn't that rare for Rider to have either - which was my real point.
>>141523018
It's description specifically says it cannot be pierced, which is why people say it's impervious to weapons.
My fucking point was that's dumb as fuck when we KNOW kinetic force and compression works, which is what those weapons can still deliver even if they can't get through it.
It's the same principle behind why chainmail can stop you getting your arm getting cut off but still let your bone be broken.
>>141522949
Luckily for them Gil is not annoyed because of that.
>Chief Orlando got a hold of Rick's sword
>Dumas can forge fake NPs that are superior to their original models
>Rick's sword is an inferior Excalibur replica
Guys, Rick is gonna get Excalibur 2.0.
>>141523107
Uruk already had a city wall constructed by humanity's first architect.
Gil just later built a wall around a temple that just so happens to be associated with Ishtar inside the city, which shows that Gil eventually made peace with Ishtar in his middle aged to late years near the ending of his Epic.
It wasn't like Gil was mad at Ishtar and the gods until he died of old age.
Gil in the Epic started maturing after the death of Enkidu and his encounter with the King Under the Mountain who was in possession of the immortality herb and Gil's failure in obtaining immortality.
>>141523156
So you´re basically compaing about the myth?
>>141523107
I bet the Epic of Gil was read by future princes or those in line for the succession of the throne in Sumerian civilization as a warning to not act like a spoiled brat like Gil once you become king.
The warning about seeking something like immortality in the Epic of Gil must have been taken to heart since none of the Sumerian Kings have been mentioned to have done crazy dangerous shit like Chinese Emperors like drinking teacups full of liquid mercury in their quests to attain immortality.
Gil was a King you did not want your King to imitate at all.
Can we talk about how OP Caster is ?
Alexandre Dumas can now recreate Excalibur somehow.
>>141522935
>Also Heracles also doesn't have knowledge that he broke through Enkidu.
Actually he mght. A person in an earlier thread said that the grail mud nonsense gave him some memories of the previous war although that's unconfirmed. This Herc probably is shittalking Gil specifically because he killed his loli.
>>141523555
>Alexandre Dumas can now recreate Excalibur somehow.
Trips confirm, Nisexcalibur is best Excalibur.
>>141523555
creating d or c rank noble phantasm is easy, but it's harder for him to create a divine contruct
>>141522935
>Also Heracles also doesn't have knowledge that he broke through Enkidu.
He doesn´t need to.He already did basically the same thing in the myth.
>>141523579
That's fanon, because some people so want this, they want GIl to be blown out for Ilya because they're still fresh angry about UBW. As soon as TA's identity was revealed people were saying it. They rejoice that Heracles is going to kill GIl's shitty loli in revenge.
>>141523555
>eat
>shit
>watch TV
>browse the Internet
>dropkick shotas and steal their Twitter accounts
>call the chief of police
>ask him to get you some hookers
>talk bullshit until he hangs up on you
>pull a magical axe out of your sphincter
>watch infomercials until sunrise
>rinse and repeat
He's a pathological liar and a telephone terrorist, and I think he might be lodging in a funeral parlor. Fucking love the guy.
>>141523555
UBW is better. Alexandre Dumas would not be able to pull off 9 Lives.
>>141523647
Which myth was that and Gil or Hercules?
>>141523648
Such a shame. It gets more hilarious if Herc's mockery is including previous war memories and I say this as a guy who actually finds Gil amusing.
>>141523648
>They rejoice that Heracles is going to kill GIl's shitty loli in revenge.
He won´t.Hercules Is the Archetype of a Hero after all.
His corruption now is still far less than when he was a berserker..
>>141523743
>call the chief of police
>ask him to get you some hookers
Yep, Dumas is absolutly based.
>>141523761
Herkules.He broke the chains of prometeus.They were soppused to be unbreakable.
>>141517602
I think she's fine like this.
>>141518190
Chiron does hit Achilles in the heel anon.
He uses his Saint Seiya move to turn off Achilles invicibility in his last breath.
>>141521807
He's not even the best loli protector in this series. Seriously, he's crap next to literally everything else in SF.
>>141520211
No Shuwen becomes one with the nature. So its a more general thing.
This one becomes one with the shadows. He also gets prana while in the shadows
>>141524266
>Seriously, he's crap next to literally everything else in SF.
Bitches really just get off to hating him every thread he's mentioned.
>>141518190
>Siegfried dies before his identity can be revealed and that weak point ever comes into play
It was always in play. Gordes' desire to afeguard Siegfried's identity and weak point is a major driving force in the developments leading up to Siegfried's sacrifice.
Was Siegfried batman?
>>141524042
She looks like she's about to get raped.
>>141524332
Maybe they'd say nice things about him if he stopped being so shit.
>>141524332
Anons still mad he killed that psycopath illya.
>>141524332
Kill yourself, Gilfag.
>>141524398
Gordes did nothing wrong
>>141524272
So Li Shuwen's PC is still better. Why isn't it EX? Becoming one with the shadows obviously has a few drawbacks
>>141524507
Darkness is everywhere.
>>141524555
He'd be fucked in a wide, open battlefield with no shadows.
>>141524507
>So Li Shuwen's PC is still better.
It's not. His Sphere Boundary is a skill distinct from Presence Concealment.
>>141524577
>a wide, open battlefield with no shadows.
You mean like a dessert?
>>141524627
Yeah for example, or a plain
>>141524507
>SO, LI SHUWEN IS STILL WAY BETTER THAN THIS GUY I KNOW SHIT ABOUT
He looked coldly at the command spells on his right hand and was about to contact the other involved parties after having written down what had happened on a piece of memo paper. But then he noticed that something was slightly off. Noise ran through several of the monitors that were arranged in a row. It could have been dismissed as being a simple electrical failure, but the problem was that the noise ran through even the video feed being sent by familiars. These devices did take the form of monitors, but they were magical. Noise didn’t just happen randomly, so it made him think that there must have been some interference from another magus. Faldeus was checking the monitors, until he realized that he had been scribbling on the piece of paper by his hands.
Oh my. This isn’t like me. I guess not being able to summon a Heroic Spirit had shaken me up some.
After some mystification over his own actions, he made a movement to tear the memo. Then his fingers suddenly stopped. The scribbles contained text, written in letters of completely different handwriting than his own, with clear meaning behind them.
“I ask of you, are you my Master?”
He felt the blood suddenly draining from the back of his head. Faldeus scanned his surroundings, slowly, to not reveal his own restlessness. Doing so, he saw darkness. One of the monitors affected by the noise was showing the outside of the penitentiary. In it was the shadow of the forest, out of the reach of the illumination. Faldeus’ eyes were drawn to the impenetrable umbra, specifically the small white object floating in its center. The monitor was one of those that were linked to a familiar. He instructed the familiar to approach the darkness. Soon Faldeus became sure of it. That the object in the darkness was a malformed skull mask.
>>141514610
Nah. Zealot was a crazy bitch that would have destroyed the entire organization if she was the head. Also she didn't make her own Zabaniya.
>>141524577
He's not supposed to be on the battlefield anyway. Generally speaking, if an assassin ends up trading blows with an enemy servant it means that the assassin or the assassin's master fucked up big.
>>141524507
Its not really presence concealment
It's kung fu mumbo jumbo.
Also i don't think his Sphere Boundary has a rank in Extra?
Could be wrong tho.
>>141524667
“Excuse me. I need a breath of fresh air.”
Leaving the room, Faldeus quickly headed to where the video was being taken. It was possible that it could have been a trap by an outside magus. He went down the penitentiary corridor, cautious of his surroundings. It was a long corridor before the break of dawn. He was quickly walking down the hallway, virtually no light being filtered through the windows, when suddenly the fluorescent light at the end of the hallway began blinking on and off and finally went out completely. Darkness abruptly formed in front of him. In it, Faldeus saw something. A white skull mask floating in the abyss.
There’s no mistaking it. That skull mask is Assassin’s. Did my summoning work? No, it could be the Assassin that had been summoned as a sacrifice.
As guesses raced through his mind, the fluorescent lighting once again lit up, the white mask disappearing with it.
“What was–“
The instant he produced that murmur, the fluorescent lights directly above him went out. At the same time, a voice spoke to him from behind.
“Do not turn around.”
Faldeus could just barely recognize that it was a male voice. But it was an inorganic one that did not betray age or build. The voice whispered to Faldeus from right behind.
“…!”
At that moment, Faldeus was prepared to die. He received a premonition of death so clear that it told him that whatever he did there would end in futility, that none of the magic at his disposal could save him. He did not know what was behind him. There was so little he could feel from it that it even felt like the darkness was infinitely expanding. It wasn’t that the voice possessed deadly intent. The opposite in fact. The voice behind him had no presence to it. It was like a space of nothingness in which not even air existed was talking to him directly. The voice was so non-existent that he even considered that it might have been a phantom voice born from his delusions.
>>141524577
He could possibly hide inside of his enemie's shadow.
>>141524679
Cursed Arm Hassan had a tough war.
>>141524641
You know he was basically surrunded by dessert when he was a life.?Or he could attake at night .
>>141524715
There was still one thing he could imagine though. That if there was something behind him, it must be the white mask that had been floating in the darkness just before.
“I ask of you…are you my Master?” asked the void.
Faldeus knew what would be there if he turned, but he could not bring himself to no matter what. All he could do was speak to the man standing behind him in the silence.
“…Yes. That would have been the case had you appeared after the summoning ritual.”
The whisper paused briefly and then shook Faldeus’ eardrums.
“Do you have convictions?”
“Convictions?”
The voice simply continued to speak words from behind Faldeus.
“Do you have convictions that you would offer your life to?”
Faldeus thought about it briefly and answered under controlled breathing.
“I dedicate all my magic to the United States of America. That is my conviction.”
“Are you prepared to follow your convictions, even if it means ending someone’s life?”
“You mean would I kill?”
“That is what it means to make a contract with me.”
Being a grail war, the majority of its participants were magi who were prepared for life and death situations. However, just how many of them would be quick to answer when they could feel death strongly approaching them? After a short pause, the young magus spoke with surprising calmness.
“Of course; if it is for the sake of the United States, I have no reservations on killing our citizens,” Faldeus said firmly.
After brief silence, the darkness behind him uttered words.
“I am Hassan i Sabbah,” the Heroic Spirit said, revealing its true name.
Faldeus was now certain. With no contract established between them yet, this could not be telepathy. However, his name had definitely reached his ears alone. It really had been a whisper that that shook only a part of Faldeus’ brain. As if his innards were tainted by some curse.
“I will be your shadow, so long as you do not abandon your convictions.”
Heres what we know from True Assassin
STR:?
END:?
AGI:?
MGI:?
LCK:?
NP:?
Class Skills:
Presence Concealment: EX
Becomes one with the World itself. The moment one shifts to attack, it becomes A+.
Personal Skills:
Shadow Lantern: A
Skill that allows one to become one with the shadows. Because he can gain surrounding magical energy from the darkness, as long as he does not materialize he almost doesn't need the Master's magical energy supply. As long as a command spell is not used, it is possible to conceal one's status from the Master.
>>141524674
>Also she didn't make her own Zabaniya.
Hundred arguably didn't either. His mental abnormality was not something he conceived himself, it was always there and he just deliberately exacerbated his preexisting condition until people around him started calling it a miracle.
It's kinda sad to think about, at least I think so. His head was a crowded place where he had a hard time keeping track of who he was, and the people around him all clapped their hands more and more loudly as his head got more and more fucked up. It might not have been such a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that his wish for the Grail was to fix his fragmented mind.
>>141522829
It would be very painful
>>141524867
People shit on him becoming one with the shadows for the last hundred posts, saying that he'd be super fucked if he was in some wide open area or something.
Turns out presence concealment and shadow becoming are two different abilities entirely. His ability to become nothingness and not be detected are different. Even in wide open area he'd never be seen.
Who are these girls?
>>141523743
Funny because said shota actually looked up to him in real life.
>>141525313
Church girls, it looks like. Possibly Executors, given that there is at least one Dead Apostle running around the city.
I'm surprised we don't have more English translations for the manga. You'd think with how popular Fate stuff is we'd be caught up by now.
>>141525351
>grail war
>servants
>dead apostoles
>church executors
>in america
Shit is going to get real.
>>141525628
CCC fox tail hasn't gotten a translation since chapter 7 like years ago
>>141525628
No one gives a shit about the Fate spinoffs.
>>141525658
Chapter 8 came out awhile back even though it was never uploaded to scanlation sites, also chapter 9 is halfway done.
People are trying to work on it.
>>141525658
CCC Foxtail is another one I'd like to see worked on too.
>>141525731
Isn't the Heavens Feel Manga not up to date either?
In the Hundred-Faced's favor, he really could do a lot of things that the Zealot couldn't. She's mastered eighteen Zabaniyas, all of them good enough to be an ace in the hole, and she's obviously incredible for doing this, but if you look at her skills all she's got is Presence Concealment and Zealotry. At A- her Presence Concealment is ranked the lowest of any Assassin affiliated with the Hashshashin, and Zealotry is pretty much just there to represent that she's too much of a fanatic to let herself be influenced by mental attacks.
Meanwhile, Hundred has mastered over a hundred different skills and specializations. That's also amazing. I don't think it'd be wrong to say he's the most versatile of the Hassans, even more versatile than the Zealot, but he doesn't seem to have any sort of strong trump card.
>>141525772
Who's that?
>>141525843
Some oni-fag from Gozen's backstory
>>141525313
I call them Hansa's Angels.
Exposition chapter takes place while they're all in the hotsprings.
So that while all the characters were explaining all this shit, you couldn't say it was boring at least.
>>141518136
>This isn't DBZ after all; Stats are a thing, skills are a thing, strategy is a thing, skill in arms is a thing, NP are a thing, everything is a thing rather than being linear "My power level is 2000 and yours is 1800, so I win" like some people seem to want.
lol no, it is a power level fest if they go serious, Gilgamesh spams Enuma Elish from the start. Saber spams ExcaliNuke
>>141525888
What the fuck. Why are Nero and Emiya in Foxtail?
>>141526168
Conceptual parameters have always been more important in all of Nasu's works.
>>141526181
Its just bonus pages at the end of the volume, its hard to tell if the bonus pages mean anything at the moment or if they're supposed to be a fake preview for the next volume.
First four volumes are up on BL to download
Latest part of the story has BB vs BB
>>141526222
mmm, if Gil goes melee against Assassin IN THE STAIRS, he loses?
>>141513625
Non-canon
>>141526317
You forgot that he also has to strip first.
Something to note on the previous page
Gozen never wears underwear, as a character trait. Rani as well is within that category of never wearing panties.
>suddenly Foxtail for no reason
I hate this.
>>141525812
In my opinion, it seems like Zealot is really only good for straight up fighting. In that regard, she is probably better than the Hundred-Faced Hassan, but that's not really what assassination is about.
>>141526505
I hate you, but I can't do anything about that either.
Why is someone duming Fox Tail when we were talking about True Assassin and F/SF ?
>>141526613
Because Tamamofags have decided to become as cancerous as Sakurafags.
>>141527023
You're going to condemn an entire fanbase because of this? Are you sure you're not the cancerous one?
>>141527023
Oh come on, I am the who asked and I am a Caskofag myself, don't generalize like this.
We're all having fun and having a good time, and then someone gets triggered.
>>141521787
>That means, even if she went all out and unleashed 100% of her power, she would still only have middling odds of winning.
The scaling of Arcueid's power isn't linear, mate. The main reason why 100% is broken is because as AE she has Authority over Gaia and is effectively omnipotent within Gaia's Reality Marble. Direct firepower doesn't matter when you can trap your opponent in a pocket dimension and blow it up with the force of the Big Bang.
>>141526381
>Zelretch is observing it
Canon
>>141528461
He literally, explicitly states that he is not observing it.
Is anyone translating the novels?
>>141528133
AE is far beyond 100% Arceuid. 100% Arceuid is just Arceuid at her full stats, which are absolutely monstrous, but we've seen Warceuid before, and she's not invincible.
AE is another thing entirely, it's 100% Arceuid plus Gaia's will, who becomes Crimson Moon for all intents and purposes. Crimson Moon is inarguably the most powerful thing on Gaia barring crap like Grand Servants, but still beatable, as evidenced by Zelretch kicking his ass.
>>141530203
You can't kill Types. Even Type Venus said the Types will just respawn later.
And the Grand Servants can't do shit against Primate Murder except attempt to restrain Primate Murder.
>>141530528
The Counter Force of Alaya isn't permitted to fight or rebel against the Counter Force of Gaia. Heroic Spirits aren't allowed to harm Primate Murder, period.
And that's simply untrue. You can destroy Types and they will remain destroyed (see Ado Edem vs. Type whichever it was). It's like how every planet will still be destroyed if confronted with a black hole or collision with a star. You just can't impose a concept of death on them like Gun God did, because even if it works in the short term, they'll shrug it off because it's not a concept native to their planet.
It's been explained that Arceuid can only be killed permanently by destroying her physical body with an anti-World conceptual armament of great power. Even though she's a Type (although Type Moon rather than Type Earth, since there is no Type Earth), she is of Earth, and all living beings on Earth have a concept of death, even Crimson Moon.
>>141530528
Ado Edem definitely destroys Type Saturn for good. But I think Slash Emperor's and Black Barrels effects on Type's are quite different.
As for Primate Murder, I'm still trying to figure out the whole supposed retcon thing. How do you go from some Counter Guardians to the Grand Servants in terms of restraining it? Did Nasu decide to buff the shit out of Primate Murder? Because based on Solomon's ridiculous power level it all seems retarded.
>>141530528
>And the Grand Servants can't do shit against Primate Murder except attempt to restrain Primate Murder.
Nice fanon
One grand servant destroyed the entire world throughout all of human history and Gaia couldn't do shit, and you decide "Well these fuck shits must be basically counter guardians or weaker since I'm conflating an old interview to mean what I want.
Grand servants were created to repel threats to the entire world, alien threats in other words, not "Well they're way way weaker than Primate Murder, they can't do shit"
Again, one Grand servant is confirmed to be enough to destroy the world throughout seven points in history easily, has overcome death, can summon himself from the throne, and he didn't just kill Gaia but rather everything ever including Avalon and Scat's shadow dimension.
Thinking these guys you know nothing about but are putting arbitrary limits on in your mind to be way weaker than some other guy in your mind is strange.
>>141530845
To be fair, only Counter Guardians and beings contracted to Alaya can't fight Gaia.
Heroic Spirits summoned via other manners have no such restriction. Not all of them are in Alaya's employ.
>>141530903
Although Nasu never spelled it out until now, I think Counter Guardians, when summoned by Alaya, are Grand Servants. The stupid amount of mana that the Fuyuki Holy Grail had while Dark Sakura was active, something like a million units, was equivalent in total to a single Counter Guardian. And this was around 9 Servants' worth of pure mana (since Gilgamesh counted for 4).
In other words, Counter Guardians have always been absurdly powerful, but only when summoned by Alaya. When summoned by a Holy Grail for a Grail War, they don't have the insane buffs that Alaya grants, probably.
So how do you guys think Alcides' labor-NPs are going to work?
>Labor 1: The Nemean Lion
Blocks any weapon from penetrating it. Confirmed.
>Labor 2: The Lernean Hydra
Hydra-poison arrows.
>Labor 3: The Hind of Ceryneia
Either something that makes it so that he won't lose sight of his target and therefore preventing it from escaping him or something endurance related.
>Labor 4: The Erymanthean Boar
?
>Labor 5: The Augean Stables
?
>Labor 6: The Stymphalian Birds
?
>Labor 7: The Cretan Bull
?
>Labor 8: The Horses of Diomedes
Summons a herd of fire-breathing horses.
>Labor 9: The Belt of Hippolyte
Sash that increases the wearer's stats. Confirmed.
>Labor 10: Geryon's Cattle
The golden chariot given to him by Helios.
>Labor 11: The Apples of the Hesperides
Likely gives him temporarily EX Strength or replicates his feat of carrying the entire world on his shoulders in a similar way.
>Labor 12: Cerberus
Summons Cerberus.
>>141517157
How the fuck do you go up from Ea? Does he pull of Gate of Ea or some other similar Ex Machina?
>>141530919
Primate Murder can destroy the world just as easily.
Also, not even Solomon can do anything against ORT.
>>141530919
Nice headcanon.
Solomon is so weak that he isn't even anti-planet.
Nasu agreed. Don't bother him about it.
>>141531280
He fight with the intention of winning, and doesn't just casually throw weapons from GoB like he did with Lancelot or Heracles.
Gil is actually smart and can capitalize on other heroes weakness, also you can see here >>141515793 what a full GoB looks like.
>>141531270
The Hind might actually be him getting the unmatchable speed of the Hind, given what we've seen of Noble Phantasms based on hunting beasts, like Atalanta's Calydonian Boar NP.
The Erymanthean Boar is a toughie, but he did drink some sick wine with his centaur bros from it. Maybe the wine? It was pretty strong stuff, but that'd be kind of lame.
The Stables might have something to do with the reward he received from the King whose stables he cleaned.
The Birds? No idea.
The Bull? Might summon it to lead his chariot.
Anyone find it funny how now that Heracles is confirmed eligible for Avenger, you can have a full Heracles grail war?
>Saber Heracles
>Archer Heracles
>Lancer Heracles
>Rider Heracles
>Berserker Heracles
>Assassin Heracles
>Avenger Heracles
One of these endless Fate spinoffs needs to make a grail war like that. How would they even interact with one another?
>>141530903
Nope, Type Venus implied Type Saturn will be back.
It is just gonna take a long time for Saturn to respawn again.
Even Type Venus is suppose to be "dead" but she can still move her main body and talk to people.
The human concept of death doesn't apply to Types.
>>141531497
>Heracles is confirmed eligible for Avenger
He is not. It's his Masterstripping him from his Divinity, forcing him to hate the gos and corrupting him with Fuyui's Grail mud that shifted him into an Avenger. You will never summon Herc as an Avenger from the start.
>>141531270
Heracles supposedly freed Prometheus around the time he hunted the Erymanthean Boar. Maybe he'll have some boon from Prometheus, fire related, or maybe he'll just have Zeus's god-restraining chains from it.
>>141524042
I honestly think it fits her better.
>>141530903
Avenger always stated that the Dog and Spider are superior to him.
>>141531497
Don't forget Shielder Heracles.
>>141531625
Gonna need a source on that, friendo. If he can shift into another class, then how can he not be summonable as that class?
All this discussion about Types and the Primate Murder got me intersted, where can I read more about them ?
>>141531600
>Even Type Venus is suppose to be "dead" but she can still move her main body and talk to people.
Type Venus' main body is immobile throughout Notes. V/V is just a fragment of Type Venus, like an avatar or a projection, just an extension of a greater entity. She's like a subroutine in a computer.
>>141531744
Angel Notes.
>>141531636
>or maybe he'll just have Zeus's god-restraining chains from it.
If Narita wants to make the Gil vs Herc fight the complete opposite of what happened in F/SN it's possible that it's going to be this and he'll have Herc use it on Gil.
>>141531280
Use Ea while launching 1000 doors of GoB
>>141531600
Slash Emperor is an Anti-Planet weapon though. It's doesn't "kill" types. It destroys them. Much like if a planet were to get destroyed by some other cosmic disaster, like a supernova or black hole.
It doesn't involve the concept of "death" - it just destroys them. Types most certainly have the concept of being destroyed. Everything in existence does.
>>141531744
Primate Murder is only ever briefly mentioned in side materials, IIRC the ones for Tsukihime and the once-proposed Tsukihime 2.
Types are from Notes, which is essentially a collection of Nasu's... notes about a story he once thought about writing about the last human on the dead Earth and the posthuman society's struggle to survive against the most powerful beings from the other planets in the solar system.
I hate doing this but the easiest way to learn the gist about both of these things is to go to the Type-Moon wiki and just reading the articles. Just take everything with a grain of salt.
>>141530203
>but we've seen Warceuid before, and she's not invincible.
Warcueid is not Arcueid 100% secondary. Warcueid has 1/3 of the current maximum Arcueid has(it's literally said in melty blood). Current Arcueid at 100% is much stronger than Warcueid.
TRUE Arcueid 100% is White Princess Arcueid, when she had long hair before she was tricked by Roa. After Roa stole big part of her power and then Altrouge stole her hair(and more power) after some unknown kind of battle.
>but still beatable, as evidenced by Zelretch kicking his ass.
It was literally Gilgamesh vs Shirou 1.0 version
>>141530845
>Type Moon
She is Archetype Earth.
>even Crimson Moon
Crimson Moon is not a living being of Earth. Clearly you know nothing.
>>141531758
Type Venus's body isn't dead though nor is it decaying.
In fact, it is still incredibly dangerous and no one knows how to remove it quick since it is in danger of releasing attacks from its main body anyday now.
You have to understand that a Type simply being on Earth is pretty much poison to its surroundings.
If the people don't move away from Type Venus's main body soon, they will have very short lives or will start suffering ill effects.
>>141531811
>>141531878
Is it translated or the wiki is the only option for an EOP ?
>>141530919
>and he didn't just kill Gaia but rather everything ever including Avalon
Retard, he explicitly didn't kill Avalon when Merlin shows up and talks about being in the garden. Solomon only incinerated human history.
>>141531990
>Solomon only incinerated human history.
I like how the powercreep went so far that Solomon is described as having "only" destroyed human history.
>>141530919
The PM = Grand Servants comes from Nasu saying that he finally got to use that quote he said in an old interview just after London came out and the Grand Servants and the original summoning system is explained. So yes it's heavily implied Grand Servants are the ones equated to PM.
>>141530919
>One grand servant destroyed the entire world throughout all of human history and Gaia couldn't do shit
Solomon only destroyed humans and the human world, Gaia doesn't care about humans. At least not on the level of protecting them.
Nice headcanon senpai.
>Grand servants were created to repel threats to the entire world, alien threats in other words,
Except it's literally said they only protect Humanity's world.
Nice headcanon senpai, again.
>Again, one Grand servant is confirmed to be enough to destroy the world throughout seven points in history easily, has overcome death, can summon himself from the throne,
This doesn't affect Gaia in the least.
>and he didn't just kill Gaia but rather everything ever including Avalon and Scat's shadow dimension.
No he didn't, he never reached Avalon and didn't kill Gaia either.
And in case you're retarded and don't know about this Avalon was created by Gaia.
Your headcanon is fucking annoying, fuck off.
Solomon is barely on 9 tails Tamamo level, he's shit.
>>141531970
>>141531878
Angel Notes is an essay Nasu did for a magazine
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/73-Angel-Notes-Translation-by-Evospace
>>141532144
Can you get that quote.
>>141531919
>She is Archetype Earth.
Protip champ: Archetype Earth is not Type Earth. There is no Type Earth because Gaia never created one, and instead Crimson Moon came down and was like 'yo I can be your Type for you, gurl' and so he became Gaia's Counter Force along with the True Ancestors.
Then Crimson Moon went to go kill the pesky humans giving Gaia shit and Zelretch blew him the fuck out, and his red moon along with him.
Fortunately for him, the True Ancestors soon got their asses fucked up by the Dead Apostles they created and needed a trump card to save themselves from their own creations, so they created the White Princess Arceuid, who turned out to be the actual reincarnation of Crimson Moon, although that pissed off Altrouge something fierce because she wanted to be daddy's favorite girl, not her little sister.
>Crimson Moon is not a living being of Earth.
Actually he is. He became a part of Earth as part of the pact he made with Gaia. That's how he died for real when Zelretch blew him up.
And that's how he reincarnated into Arceuid, in fact.
>Clearly you know nothing.
Talk shit, get hit, faggot
>>141530919
Nasu
>7 counter guardians are needed to restrain Primate Murder, the servants in the HGW are based on those
Solomon
>7 Grand Servants were once summoned by the Counter Force to fight against a threat to humanity caused by humanity's own wrongdoings, the servants in the HGW are based on those
>>141532304
Arcueid is both you retard, she has authority over the moon and earth. Altrouge has also authority over the moon.
I don't remember anything about reincarnations but Altrouge and Arcueid are both successors of CM
And Archetype Earth is Earth's Ultimate One.
All this talk of power levels and who does what makes me wanna know:
What do people think about the God of the Bible in Nasu's works?
We know he (or it) exists. We know the Church is immensely powerful. We know he's likely beyond being just a Divine Spirit. He's been involved with multiple Heroic Spirits and other shit.
Thinks like True Demons and Gaia are considered his creations. So is there some sort of immeasurably powerful cosmic entity treated as a "creator" by the Church or something? Honestly curious about people's opinions.
>>141532491
It's kept mysterious so that Nasu doesn't have to offend anyone.
>>141532304
Fucking secondaries man.
>>141532491
Planets>Gods
It's literally never said the god of the bible is the one that created Gaia or True Demons, that's your headcanon.
THERE IS a creator in Nasuverse but it's never said about it being a god or the god of the bible.
>>141532304
>There is no Type Earth because headcanon bullshit
We don't know why Archetype Earth isn't referred to as Type Earth. It could simply be a play on words on the jungian archetype. What matters is that Archetype is the Brain of Earth and the strongest being on the planet, whether she is a Type or not doesn't fucking matter specially considering not all Types are as strong as each other.
>Actually he is
And yet it was stated both Counter Forces wanted him dead.
>That's how he died for real
Except True Ancestors cannot be killed by external factors. According to this CM was easier to kill than TAs. Being a creature of earth and a a part of Gaia would make him harder to kill rather than the opposite.
>>141532491
Nasu said the God of the Nasuverse wasn't the Christian God but a being completely apathetic being unconcerned with a planet like Earth and would just tell you to leave him alone.
The Christian God may exist in the Nasuverse but he isn't the true creator of the universe.
Because every mythology had a god that was their creator like the Japanese gods, Egyptian gods, etc
>>141532448
No. If Archetype Earth was Type Earth, she would be called that. She's the Type of another world filling the empty position that Gaia never filled on its own. She is treated like a Type by Earth, hence the stat buffs and mana backup, but it will never change the fact that there is no real Type Earth.
>>141532562
What's with the floating bitch and the cello?
>>141532491
High tier divine spirits of that level are outside of time and space, they exist on their own scale outside of the world alone usually. As is basically said in Ameratsu's bio entry.
All divine spirits represent a concept, Karna says Christian god represents the idea of "perfection" since he's the archetype of absolute, all powerful, and omnipotent.
You can't bring him up casually, even a random guy that he powered up is enough to nuke all of humanity.
Among the top divine spirits out there, there's no question what rank he is.
>>141532629
>Nasu said the God of the Nasuverse wasn't the Christian God but a being completely apathetic being unconcerned with a planet like Earth and would just tell you to leave him alone.
He also said in the same entry that general imagery and understanding of uncaring divine spirit does match the church, or something like that.
So it actually might be
>>141532623
>What matters is that Archetype is the Brain of Earth and the strongest being on the planet, whether she is a Type or not doesn't fucking matter specially considering not all Types are as strong as each other.
Archetype Earth is Crimson Moon is the Brain of Earth.
>all Types are as strong as each other
Now that's headcanon!
>And yet it was stated both Counter Forces wanted him dead.
No, actually, never.
>Except True Ancestors cannot be killed by external factors.
Except they damn well can and have been? A lot of them got killed before Arceuid was even born. Being conceptually resistant to death is not the same as having no concept of death at all. We've seen that Arceuid herself has a concept of death.
>>141532726
If you acknowledge that, then no praying from the Church is ever gonna reach him because he doesn't care.
So it is pointless to speculate about the Christian God when he will never be bothered to appear on Earth or get related to Earth in anyway
>>141532619
When I said "considered his creations" I meant by the Church, which is true and not head canon. It's why they act against Imaginary Demons, but not True ones. I should have been more clear, sorry.
Just because they consider them such doesn't mean it's true though.
>>141532629
Yeah, that's what I figured.
Was it a counter guardian?
>>141532826
>Archetype Earth is Crimson Moon
Except Nasu refers to Archetype as being the equivalent of the Crimson Moon rather than CM himself, so no.
>Now that's headcanon!
I said that not all Types are as strong as each other not that they are all equally strong. Nice reading comprehension.
>No, actually, never.
Read KT. It was plainly stated by Roa there.
>A lot of them got killed before Arceuid was even born
You have no proof of this. They can be killed after they become demon lords but otherwise their life only ends once they seal themselves. I'll take Ciel's info dump over your headcanon.
>>141532851
I believe there has only been one successful case of exorcism from the Church involving a True Demon that was simply incubating and not even hatched yet, yet it caused the person to lose his "true name", all his abilities, and now he just drives Ciel and her coworkers around in a shitty car.
Pretty sad what happened to him.
I wish Nasu wasn't so liberal with the Fate story licence, it's just become a bunch of authors trying to out-powerlevel each other; it retroactively makes the writing in the original VN inconsistent, too.
>>141532851
A True Demon has never appeared yet in the Nasuverse.
The closest one was Kiara but even Nasu said she wasn't a True Demon even when she became complete.
>>141533191
It turned out pretty bad too.
Like F/A's story turned out to be pure shit and the most cheesiest ending possible.
>>141533191
It all seems reasonably coherent to me. What do you have issues with?
>>141531878
Nasu already said the dog and DAA are showing up in grand order eventually.
>>141533295
Could you post some sources? All I know is that during her event Void Shiki said that had the imitations been real dogs of Alaya she wouldn't have been able to deal with them.
>>141533209
They haven't directly appeared, but they have been mentioned and given some background.
It's Primordial Demons we know absolutely nothing about.
>>141533377
Oops. I meant dogs of Gaia.
>>141533401
Primordial Demons just sound like possibly the ancestors of True Demons.
Also, Nasu says every Demon pretty much has a default Reality Marble.
>>141533113
>Except Nasu refers to Archetype as being the equivalent of the Crimson Moon rather than CM himself, so no.
Because the original Crimson Moon is fucking dead, but his consciousness clearly lives on through Gaia. Any attempts to classify them as separate existences is stupid.
>Nice reading comprehension.
My bad.
>Read KT. It was plainly stated by Roa there.
Yeah I'm sure Gaia's Counter Force really wants to kill Gaia's Counter Force.
>You have no proof of this.
It was kind of the entire reason they created Arceuid. The True Ancestors that weren't blood-crazy were getting killed by either blood-crazed True Ancestors or Dead Apostles, so they needed someone powerful enough to hunt them all down before True Ancestors were completely wiped out.
Again, I'd like to know how you rationalize Shiki seeing Arceuid's point of death. While he can't see it all the time due to the limits of his eyes and her fluctuating power levels throughout Tsukihime, it's there.
>>141533377
https://oneofepisodes.wordpress.com/2016/04/18/fgo-tm-ace-042016/
Yeah just, read the entire thing
>>141533446
Yeah, True Demons have, at the very least, Reality Marbles. They're crazy strong.
And all we know about Primordial Demons is that they're even more so. Supposedly they're on the same tier with Void Shiki and Arcuied. My guess is they're some cthulu esque cosmic demons or some shit.
Reading this thread me that the Nasuverse is pretty fucking big. As someone who only ever read the Fate serie (F/SN, F/HA, F/Z) and watched Kara no Kyoukai, what's the next logical step ?
>>141533573
>Same level as void Shiki
In another interview Nasu said that void shiki was weaker than an average servant, and during the original interview you're thinking of when it said Shiki was one of the strongest, it said "*excluding servants"
>>141533573
Primordial Demons are probably gonna be fleshed out as Cthulhu-esque shit, yeah. Especially after Nasu fell in love with Bloodborne and Dark Souls.
>>141533590
Problem is that Nasu only gives a shit about Fate now.
Zelretch could give less a shit about these stupid Grail Wars when the 1st Grail War was essentially a Science Experiment that didn't work and nobody was actually fighting each other back then.
>>141533478
>but his consciousness
Except Archetype plainly calls Crimson Moon father and she refers to him in third person. So she doesn't have his consciosness either. Trying to classify them as the same existence is what's stupid.
>Yeah I'm sure
Hey it was Roa's info dump when he was acting as Nasu's mouth piece, take it out with Nasu.
>rationalize Shiki seeing Arceuid's point of death
TAs can be killed with world destrying conceptual weapons. It's not impossible to conceptualize their death.
>>141532635
Arcueid is the mind and body of the planet. She says stopping Earth's rotation is the same as stopping her body.
She's referred as the ultimate life form on earth.
>. She's the Type of another world filling the empty position that Gaia never filled on its own
Gaia couldn't create a Type so it asked the Moon for help, the moon agreed and protected Gaia in exchange of letting it live there or some bs like that
Arcueid by herself is on the same level as the first TA(Crimson Moon) as said by Nasu Nasu "There are all types of True Ancestors, strong and weak. Arcueid can stand her ground with the first True Ancestor, so she's in a league of her own. "
Archetype Earth is Arcueid being literally the Earth as she says several times and as the materials say, including pic related.
>>141533590
Extra is your first taste of how this multiverse works
Then Fate/Strange, Fate/Strange, Grand/Order, or one of the other numerous ones.
After awhile you'll get how the multiverse works; everything both is and isn't connected. The throne spans across world-lines, so the servants are all connected. F/SN alone has over 40 different alternate universes within the game alone, its not just one universe. Its infinitely branching universes that all diverge with a single choice.
Each of the stories within TM are "If this choice changed way back then, how would the world have diverged"
The difference between the three routes at all should tell you how big one difference can make to different world-lines. Its the difference between Shirou telling Saber to stop attacking Archer in the first day, or not doing that
Biggest mistake people make is thinking "Well there's Fate/Stay main universe over here, and a dozen branch off universes over there that don't mean anything", no, they're all equally close to each other and on par in a sense. There is no main world-line, its an infinite kaliedescope.
>>141533648
Hurray for Nasu retconning just about everything ever in every interview he does.
If nothing else the guy is consistent at being inconsistent.
>>141533682
Yep. Some Old One tier universal demons, whereas True and Imaginary Demons are limited to Earth.
>>141533887
Old Ones aren't really that universal and are more Earth-based.
Heck, a lot of them hang out on fucking Earth, willingly or unwillingly.
It is the Outer Gods that are universal.
The Great Old Ones on the other hand often fuck with humanity much more often than the apathetic Outer Gods who are more concerned with their Boss waking up and ending existence than puny humans.
>>141513625
They are trash. Cu Alter can fight Origin Servants and Solomon can destroy all of them at the same time in less than a second.
Even Ozzy with Tentyris and Brynhild with the Anti Tokyo Rune can obliterate all of them.
>>141533495
>But during the plotting stage, even though I said, “Write something with a happy ending for once,” first he asked me, “Can’t I have this character kill this other character and end it there?” and he gave me a plot that was even darker than Fate/Zero.
>>141533887
>If I don't like it then its a retcon and Nasu FUCKED UP again, fucking hack artist, I'll just go with my original interpretation when corrected. I'm not wrong its the creator that's wrong
Except I just told you that the original interview you're thinking about that said Void was strong, had a disclaimer "Not including servants" for a reason. If they were included then suddenly Void goes way down in the rankings. There's no reason to even say that part if it doesn't change the rankings.
Its nothing but consistent, you just hate that the fact doesn't line up with what you wanted it to. Once again I'll point it out for you
>Ｑ：奈須きのこ作品全部を通して（空の境界、月姫、Fate、DDD）最強キャラトップ3を決めるとしたら誰になりますか？（石川県／聖なるパンダ）
>Ａ：マジカルアンバー（ルビーちゃん）。ネコアルク。虎。―――ではなく。
>真面目な話なら1.アルクェイド、2.“両儀式”、3.原初の悪魔でしょうか。（サーヴァント除く）
Notice this part
>（サーヴァント除く）
or in other words "Fucking creator retconning shit in the same sentence he originally said it".
>>141522242
He just said people seem to dislike him when he's in his adult form.
>>141532159
>Solomon is barely on 9 tails Tamamo level, he's shit.
You realize even at 3 Tails she can solo the SF war, right?
>>141534135
Still a retarded retcon.
>>141534582
It was never a retcon. You just misunderstood from the beginning.
>>141532159
>Solomon is barely on 9 tails Tamamo level, he's shit.
Cite another Servant who can keep up with 9T Tamamo.
Who is the strongest servant?
>>141534619
Still a retarded retcon.
>>141534671
Angra Manyu.
>>141534671
John Travolta
>>141534671(You)
>>141524933
>the people around him all clapped their hands more and more loudly as his head got more and more fucked up. It might not have been such a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that his wish for the Grail was to fix his fragmented mind.
Hassan lived a hard life.
>>141526385
Is there a reason BB is wearing no clothes?
>>141534671
Gilgamesh
>>141534671
America
>>141534671
Grand Saber
>>141534935
She was summoned like that
>>141522256
Gil's just a fucking pedophile. He's into Saber because she's supposed to be really young looking (physically locked at 13 years old).
>>141534935
BB is always fucking with people for fun, its her way of teasing the one she likes.
>>141534648
>>141534540
>Implying being stronger than servants means jack shit.
Kingprotea is on the same level as 9 tails tamamo.
>>141535435
Kingprotea was said to be on the same level as golden tails white face, not Nine Tails. Get it right, since that's the difference between 100% Arc and Archetype Earth.
Kingprotea can also break stars and planets with ease
>>141535649
King Protea on the Moon Cell. It's unlikely King Protea on F/GO will be on that level, she'll solo Solomon.
>>141535002
That's just going to be Arturia, isn't it.
>>141534968
Probably this.
He's the only one ever stated to be the strongest before all these retcons.
None of these newbies have ever been called the strongest.
And he has everyone's weakness, which is what Servant battles have always been about, not powerlevels and scouters.
>>141514104
>Durmas - Can create fake NPs stronger than the originals
He can create Heroic Spirits too.
>>141536155
Keep telling yourself that, Gilfag.
Archer pretty much has everyone's weakness since they can't even hide their identities from him since just from their weapons, he can already make a good guess on who he is fighting.
Nasu said Gil was only good against Proper Heroic Spirits yet Fate is full of IMPROPER Heroic Spirits.
>>141534671
It is gonna be Monkey King.
When asked about Monkey King, Nasu said it would be difficult to introduce Monkey King to Fate despite all the characters he introduced so far so when even Nasu is having a hard time figuring out how to make Monkey King possible, it means that Monkey King is gonna be hax.
>>141536309
>He said he's only good at fighting proper servants
No, he said he's good at countering proper servants, and for everything else he can mainly just crush it with raw power. Since among servants he's still near the top in destruction, since he's rated as having the fire-power of five servants.
He beat all the Alter Egos despite them being improper.
Its like the Superman being weak to magic fallacy. Its not that he's weak, its that he just doesn't have special defenses against it like he does to everything else. Magic still can't auto-beat him.
>>141514849
>>141514652
She's just tsundere. It's like you can't guess how Narita romances go. They are obviously going to be a couple. She doesn't take shit from him, and that's a plus, and he still orbits around her despite her rejection.
>>141536309
Yeah no, that's not how UBW works, hence why he got his ass kicked by Lancer, Saber, and Berserker.
The only weakness he has is Gil's, who happens to have everyone else's weakness.
It's not being a Gilfag, it's simply acknowledging everything outside of F/SN and F/Z to be shit.
Well Fate series was always shit, but those two were tolerable shit.
>>141536393
His own legend describes him as effortlessly fucking up the entire army of heaven at once and it took Buddha himself to make him behave.
He'd make a great Lancer. He even fills the narrative role of secondary protagonist (as Hanuman) alongside Arjuna.
>>141536155
>Before the retcons
Gilgamesh has been stated as the strongest in the last year, also there are no real retcons. He was stated to be the strongest HS in recent volume of F/S.
>>141515092
That's wrong, she only stated she could become a threat to the world. Not that she was on par with Solomon. Hell, Dantes doing some bullshit in KnK was a threat to the world too.
Solomon destroyed all timelines on Earth. Amaterasu, just like everything else, ceased to exist.
>>141536309
>keep telling yourself that
Except no, Nasu himself has stated that Gil's the strongest before the retcons, and all this new crap.
He has never called another servant, in these new Fate shit the strongest aside from Gil, regardless of whether or not the new ones are stronger.
So Gil's basically the Michael Jordan of Fate.
Maybe not the strongest in today's era, but the only one to have ever been the strongest during a time.
>>141536470
>last year
When? In What?
Not even arguing, I just want the sauce on this.
>>141536540
Yeah, you didn't actually read what Nasu stated.
He said Gil is top among proper heroic spirits.
That is it.
Lurk more.
>>141519736
FUCCBOI EX. No seriously, even those who documented Gilles case couldn't be helped by getting a little gay for him.
>>141536637
Not him but what does lurking more have to do with the discussion at hand?
>>141519854
He's not a loli. He killed one and is using his corpse as his latest suit. That body as a fucking zipper on the back, to know it's fake.
>>141536637
Basically retcons.
As expected of a newfag, I bet you think these new Servants weapons are better designed than Kanshou & Bakuya.
In F/SN and F/Z there were no "improper" servants, Gil was just the strongest servant, if you actually bothered reading the original works.
Closest to improper are Angra Mainyu and Fake Assassin, both of which are far inferior to Gil.
>>141522110
The reason why he's not much of an asshole is that he remembers being beaten by Saber, actually. That automatically makes him less of a stupid fuck and his feelings for her are genuine after that.
>>141536733
As expected of a newfag, even Zouken in F/Z said Gilles wasn't suppose to be in the War.
As expected of an anime only pleb.
>>141536535
She said since Solomon can destroy the entire world he is on the same level as her nine tails form, that's it. Also Amaterasu just like all other Divine Spirits have no authority on the present so they cannot manifest.
>>141536851
Define improper servant, you autist.
Gilles was an evil spirit, like Medea, simple as that. They were only able to be summoned thanks to Angra Mainyu.
Their mechanics and abilities are no different from "proper" servants.
>>141535649
>since that's the difference between 100% Arc and Archetype Earth.
Normal Arcueid needed to be nerfed to a point where Amaterasu might have a chance to beat her so if you're comparing Amaterasu to ATE then you're retarded.
>>141532342
I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. FGO calls Counter Guardian as "fake Heroic Spirits". So Grand Servants cannot be those 7 CG.
Nasu stated that FGO has nothing to do with what he established in FSN, it's a setting he originally meant to be like Prototype. That's probably why it has religious shit mixed because Proto Grail System mixes angel choirs and the Apocalypse in a Christian sense. Primate Murder is dead because humanity no longer exists. That's why also the CF cannot do shit agaist Solomon, confirmed again in FZ event. They could only act on a non Solomon made singularity, as exception.
>>141536851
Not the same guy, but F/SN and F/Z anime are much less pleb than any of these new Fatecrap being spewed out from Nasu's asshole.
So you can't call anyone pleb if you're discussing anything involving these new material.
>>141534671
Adolf Hitler
>>141536869
Solomon didn't destroy the world. He destroyed the timelines.
Again, did you play the events and the main story? It's not a world destroyer. It's even bigger than that. Tamamo is obviously either exaggerating or is being a vapid bitch.
>>141537126
I don't see your source, anon. It looks just like you're repeating the same desperate bullshit you take from /a/. People claiming this often just repeat it like a meme. Give me a source and I believe you.
Preferably in Japanese, because he could easily be referring to what he was talking about in Prototype which has zero to do with Primate Murder or any of his nonsense. When he speaks of PM or the DAA, for example, gives me the impression they'll just be included in special events and not the main storyline.
>>141537168
If you travel back in time to the same timeline, the laws of causality fucks up the timeline.
Boom, timeline gone. Grandfather paradox.
Not hard, all you need is a bit of Magic and lube.
Whereas destroying the world is a lot harder.
You'll need:
A. To get Trump into office
B. A star
C. Thrusters to steer your planet into it
>>141537324
I don't think you understand, he destroyed it in a way all future would end in the same destruction. He didn't destroy the world, he destroyed the timelines, which destroyed the world everywhere.
Tamamo was probably salty he one shot her with a single look in London.
>>141537409
HUMAN world.
Make that correction next time, wanker.
>>141537324
If Tamamo were strong or stronger than Solomon as 9 tails, she would have been Grand Caster and she isn't, anon. Shouldn't take a waifupandering noncanon interlude seriously. Nasu doesn't write them or supervise them.
>>141537435
Don't think you have been paying attention. scath's land of shadow which was a divine reign got BTFO too. Altera who can kill gods and gods fear her was a flunky of his. Poseidon was killed/used as by him in Okeanus.
Divine Spirits are being BTFO left and right.
>>141537449
>>141537409
Please, I don't give a shit about some F/E character, only the two OG Fate stuff matters to me (fuck, I guess I have to include the retarded F/HA cousin).
I'm just saying we should vote Trump in so he can steer this planet into the sun.
>>141537409
Solomon needed prep to do all that. He had to set the Grails and the demons in order to anchor Ars Almadels to all those timelines. He can't do that shit casually.
>>141537295
Not him but Solomon explains that the summoning system they use is based off of the Grand servant system. And Nasu has said long ago that the Servant system used in the grail wars is based on the CG system.
In the April TM Ace interview he specifically says that they were initially created to protect humanity just like CGs. There's nothing hard to understand.
>>141537506
> scath's land of shadow which was a divine reign got BTFO too
Scathach's land is in between the human world and the other side.
Again, next time make the correction. Wanker.
He couldn't even reach Avalon which means he did absolutely nothing to Gaia, and things survived in the human world anyways.
>>141537295
From Nasu's blog. The "Grand" stuff in FGO's latest chapter originates from way back in the days of Tsukihime or even KnK.
So it's not new, he's been sitting on this for 15 years.
と言うわけでFGO、四章開始です。
まだ途中の方も多いと思われますので具体的なネタバレはなしの方向で。
FGOというタイトルに込められた意味。
月姫時代からちょこちょこ（というか空の境界からか）囁いてきた始まりの設定が
まさか15年越しに出てくる事になろうとは、神様でも思うめぇ。
自分もわりと驚いています。人生わかんねーな、と。
豆知識ですが、四章クリア後はマイルームのマテリアル→霊基一覧から
ボスの詳細も見れます。
また、13節ラストの表情指定が反映されていなかったので
次のパッチで正しい演出意図に更新されると思います。
修正が入り次第、既にクリアされた方もマイルームから
読み直してもらえれば幸い……幸いなのじゃ……
>>141537585
You're comparing apples and oranges. Because you forget that in that same interview, Nasu confirmed it's not FSN system but the one in Prototype which is different.
>In the April TM Ace interview he specifically says that they were initially created to protect humanity just like CGs.
That was originally his concept for Heroic Spirits and how Prototype was being written. Heroic Spirits were kind of like angels. Counter Guardians are just shitty fake Heroic Spirits, in FGO canon. FSN system is based on what you say. But FGO system is based on FP. Don't compare one thing with the other. They might be similar, but they aren't the same. Mixing Primate Murder here and thinking CG which are far weaker than real Heroic Spirits have anything to do with this is fairly foolish.
>>141537506
A weak and depowered Poseidon who was beaten by Drake, also it had nohing to do with him given that was an old tale from Drake.
Solomon never fights a Divine Spirit at full power. Stop wanking faggot.
>>141537720
That says nothing of Grand Servants or Counter Guardians. Where they fuck did you extrapolate that?
>>141537506
>>141537830
HAHAHAHA SOLOMONFAGS FULL ON HEADCANON
Literally meme character, why the fuck did I believe what they said.
>>141537506
This is literally jetfag tier. Everything you said is a straight up lie or completely out of context, or both.
>>141537830
>A weak and depowered Poseidon
Never was stated he was weak and depowered. Drake beat him because gods are shit anyway.
>>141537785
I don't get how the systems are supposed to be that significantly different considering that the Fuyuki grail war happened.
>>141537720
>So it's not new, he's been sitting on this for 15 years.
He wanted to do the singularity bullshit in Prototype. This has nothing to do with a post FSN Interview, he's speaking about his beginnings rather. Originally, it was Manaka and Beast of Revelation who were going to do what Solomon was going to do with his harem of demons and shadow Servants (which Manaka was going to summon too). Only without making it so big (the only singularity was going to be Camelot). He just took his Proto idea and made it bigger.
There's nothing about PM, it's all about his original idea of Fate. Before Takeuchi made him genderswap Arthur and change a lot and he created . It's chuuni teenage Nasu at his best with chuuni religious references.
>>141537996
Gods aren't supposed to manifest in the current world. The fact Poseidon even managed to manifest during Drake's time way after the Age of Gods in a time with physics incompatible with the AoG and when humans no longer worship him is impressive.
>>141538249
This. The Age of the Gods ended, and with it went the vast majority of Gods and their powers. Those that are left live outside reality and are much weaker now.
>>141538222
The Grand Servants are explicitly made to combat threats like Primate Murder though. While you can argue otherwise it's really not hard to make the connection.
>>141538431
Even the interviewer made the connection.
>>141538041
Fuyuki Grail War happened but it's not the same like in FSN. Same with Fate/Zero war (and Waver pointed out it was different, Roman clarified it too).
The system used and based on FGO is heavily Christian (allusions to angels, demons, Heaven are all in there). Heroic Spirits remember their summon clearly, for example, while it was impossible in FSN and Saber was an exception. But that quote that person posted from his blog isn't speaking about this interview, he's talking about the original Fate setting, before he wrote FSN, in the time of Tsukihime and Knk.
Singularities. Beast Servant. Foundation of Humanity. Servants as Angelic-like Entities. Shadow Servants as summons from the Grail(s) controlled by the bad guy, not necessary those who were bathed in Angra Mainyu's mud. All of this was already present in Fate/Prototype draft note.
I think you should just stop trying to make it seem like if Grand Servants are Counter Guardians when the canon in FGO is that CG are mere fake Heroic Spirits. Nothing else. As for the Primate Murder, we don't know if it'll appear and how, so using a quote from an interview and try to force your interpretation as 'canon' is pretty jumping the gun, without considering he's changed the rules. Roman confirmed in FZ event that the Counter Force is unable to interfere with Solomon, for example, and this was a big assumption from the fanbase that is the CF which is helping. It's not. It's very hinted to be Merlin the one who summons the extra Servants to help (you).
>>141538431
They could be. They could be not. Untill Primate Murder and DAA are introduced, you shouldn't state that as a fact which is what bothers me. More about this here >>141538534
>>141515044
It's because of the contradictory nature of a "Heroic Spirit Assassin". The mark of a perfect assassin is absolute anonymity. If you can kill someone, leave behind absolutely no evidence and make it pretty much impossible for anyone to learn your identity to the point where it's literally impossible to leave your name behind in history, that's when you can call yourself the greatest assassin.
Conversely, the more famous an assassin is, the shittier they were at their job. It doesn't matter how skilled they were, the fact that they actually gained fame as a result of their actions is proof of their inadequacy as assassins. That's why, to the Holy Grail, someone like Li Shuwen is a shitty assassin. He's an amazing martial artist and killer, but he became too famous to be considered a proper assassin.
This logic, however, creates a contradiction. If the greatest assassins are completely anonymous, then they cannot become Heroic Spirits and thus cannot be summoned by the Grail. The Fuyuki Grail, thus, has a compromise where it summons the "origin" of assassins, the Hassans. However, the Hassans are not true Heroic Spirits, as they were never properly recorded into the Throne. They are closer to wraiths, much like the nameless Assassin of the Fifth Heaven's Feel who took on the role of Sasaki Kojirou. Incidentally, Gilles from the Fourth War was also a wraith and not a proper Hero.
>>141537834
Read the context, it's talking about the London chapter where the Grand Servants and original summoning system are referenced.
>>141538677
By the time he wrote KnK and Tsukihime, the Fate that existed is Fate Prototype.
>interviewer making the connection between primate murder and the old 7 guardians countering them
>nobunaga tweeting he wanted to spaz about primate murder in the first live broadcast after playing london
only english speakers think that blog post is talking about something else
>>141538822
If 7 Counter guardians can take PM, then a Grand Servant could with the back turned.
>>141538822
The interviewer didn't make a connection, he only asked if they were going to feature.
>>141538534
Foundation of Chaldea's summoning system is "A place where heroes gather" potentially using a piece of the round table as part of the catalyst to create the system.
There have been three successful summonings in the history of Chaldea to date before MC came along. MC seems to use Mashu's shield which is the core of the round table to summon people.
The Fuyuki system only had one war in Chaldea time-line, and it was the fifth war. Arguably Chaldea created their summoning system first here.
>>141538868
english speakers being caught up in semantics
nasu looks like he is using 守護者 in two different ways and only came up with a different word to differentiate them more than ten years later
>>141539164
There's no need to be vague about it. I clearly remember Mashu talking about the throne of heroes.
>>141539278
Seems obvious that they don't really put limits on their summoning system like the Fuyuki system tried to do as well. Fuyuki system only wanted to summon these few particular things, while Chaldea is happy to summon almost anything in the throne.
Because its no longer limited we're seeing all kinds of strange shit now. Anti-heroes, fake heroes, or otherwise.
There's a lot of crazy shit in the throne in reality, and the only thing stopping it from being summoned normally is that it would just be very uphill to find a catalyst for such a thing.
>>141539550
I think that after coming up with the Moon Cell and all the stiff it allowed Nasu simply didn't want to go back to the more limited and simpler system like in FSN.
What they have in Chaldea seems like it's halfway between Fuyuki system and the Moon Cell.
>>141539164
And it's all connected to Merlin (you can see the glimpses of Avalon in the OP of FGO). It looks like this is Merlin's and Solomon's advanced chess with heroes with the timeline as their board.
>The Fuyuki system only had one war in Chaldea time-line, and it was the fifth war.
There was a war, but this isn't the war of FSN, so the system is different. It's already confirmed by Zero event.
>>141539174
He uses 守護者 specifically with what we translated as Counter Guardian. If he meant Heroic Spirits, he'll say 英霊. He never mixes them, he's not a secondary, after all. And are referred as "呼ばれる英霊もどき." That's why I tell you to not try to put Guardians in level of Heroic Spirits, because Nasu evidently doesn't.
I have no doubts that PM is one of the threats the Grand Servants might deal with, but, going by Nasu's own words, if 7 of these mocks Heroic Spirits can deal with him, I frankly doubt that it needs more than a Grand to put the dog down.
>>141539278
>I clearly remember Mashu talking about the throne of heroes.
The heroes as in Mashu's shield, which is "the place heroes gather." Presumably, it's Merlin who is doing this.
>>141540045
Yeah he does especially if there's a long gap in time since he last said something. He's infamous for being a liar when it comes to specifics so it's just a matter of him refining what he said previously.
>>141540088
I'm not saying that isn't how they summon the servants. I just distinctively remember Mashu mentioning the Throne of Heroes in Scathach's intro event. About how, at the time, she wasn't in it.
>>141540206
No, he doesn't. He distinguished between the two since FSN, anon. Are you this dense? He wrote the differences in Fate/Materials books published around the same time of that interview. You should just stop presuming. It reminds me to the fag who claimed that Edison was empowered by the Counter Force and the Counter Force was summoning the extra figures, both got proved wrong.
