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>>141252171
Love it
>>141284068
応援ありがとう
みんなのおかげだよ
>>141284018
what the fuck am i looking at
>>141284263
A very cute picture of bicchi chan please don't hurt her feelings
Good OP it's about as good as サクラちゃん
>>141284018
Cool OP.
ここで過ごした日々を振り返れば笑や爆笑いっぱい書つけとこ
今も一笑懸命にカキコして行く
みんなのためにやってるのにみんな気づかないまま
本当に泣きそうだけどボクはそれでも今日も釣りに行く
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4PKCcGyyx0
>>141284795
クール物語兄分
>>141284018
>anon who made the OP images doesn't know what a shadow is.
Amazing.
燃える all anime you can get your hands on! We will stop this disease once and for all!
>>141285149
I'll burn you a DVD with some high quality anime and mail it to you. You too will be fapping to sweet ass anime girls in no time.
>>141285149
ボクの外人心が燃えているぞ
>>141285298
your posting is like dvd and mine is like blu ray in other words you gay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP7o3FxsKUs
>>141285298
That works too send it to the 第一anime全滅分隊ＨＱ and I will take care of it.
>>141285417
I'm sending it to your house, dude.
Let's get motivated!
I wanted to find a video to inspire myself/someone else and got this. It felt good to watch it. It was strangely ASMR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IXVJfzewGQ
>>141285542
The アンチanimeＨＱ is my house actually
>>141285629
Let's not post stupid memes!
>ASMR
Keep your filthy fetishes to yourself please.
>>141285683
It's not, dude. Are you scared of your mom seeing the parcel, or something?
I'm about to study kanji individually, wish me luck!
>>141285629
What was going on in your head when you decided to post this?
>>141285800
Yeah I have a military base in my house and my mom makes food for us she makes some cool 弁当 when we need to go on a long mission. Uh actually can you mask the parcel so that it's not explicitly showing any anime?
>>141285831
This is also known as an anime 製作機械 and the woman in your picture is an animator.
>>141285973
>>141285629
He's just looking at candy. How does that motivate you?
>>141286114
This story is actually a lie. I pee sitting down all the time and I didn't become an anime.
>>141285724
>>141285831
>>141285851
I just wanted to share something neat that is 日本語/Japan related and that maybe other people would post other videos they like. But maybe not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356gZRNvfxY
>>141286209
Yeah how about you just keep your fetish shit to yourself and don't contaminate this thread with it? I think that's a pretty reasonable request.
>>141286130
If you could read you would know those are erasers. Cute things are very inspiring to me.
Man anime can be a bitch shinsekai yori was throwing out shit like 穴居性 and 幼獣等管理移転申請書 right and left how the fuck are you supposed to be able to catch that shit when listening
>>141286257
>fetish
I wasn't aware people got off on it. I thought it was like listening to those ocean cds where the white noise is kind of relaxing. It's not like anyone is talking or anything. But okay I won't post anymore.
>>141286265
>inspiring to ME.
Do you get it?
>>141286302
That's not called ASMR as far as I know and I'm not an expert on weird stuff.
>>141286209
im seagal in that vid
>>141286265
i was hoping youd tell him something like "i hope for your sake they are non toxic you 馬鹿外人ファック" also dont let this dude >>141286310
get you down keep bein you without fear of what other people say and just play along with whatever the shit heads say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3DilJm63U
>>141286310
>not being inspired by cute
I'll bet you don't even watch cute girls doing cute things
>>141286340
I'm not an expert either. Apparently this is a much deeper subject matter than I thought.
>>141286114
what is the image from
>>141286434
Yes it's about as deep as anime.
>>141286454
げっ 病者が来た
>>141286434
Cute is not an objective thing, your video isn't cute in my world view.
Why don't we have a proper easy VN list?
>>>/jp/15166340
>>>/jp/15166347
>those lists seem random as shit. As if someone just put together eroge they knew or got suggestions for.
>When it comes to plotge, those are definitely not good candidates for your first ever non-textbook material. For example Baldr Sky doesn't have hard grammar, but it has scifi, military, political, scientific, religious vocab that will make the game a dictionary looking up hell. I wouldn't put any of those games in the plot part into a beginner's guide.
>Those lists have been picked apart several times on here. I wouldn't put much weight on them.
>>Monobeno: Happy End as moege
>You can tell someone didn't actually read it.
>You got trolled dude. Or maybe you went along with the troll? A lot of those look easy on the surface but are actually really hard (monobeno for instance in the moege section).
Suggestions from the last thread: >>141279191
>>141286591
prolly because adult content is for adults and people at less than a childs level of nihongo need not be worried about refined literature such as visual novellas
>>141286549
Please post something you think is cute. I'm not even trying to fight I'll bet it's adorable, anon.
>>141286454
Why do you care you sick fuck
>>141286591
Because you're stupid and ignored the replies telling you why such a thing is stupid.
>>141286667
I don't post things I jerk off to in this thread, sorry. You should do the same.
>>141286361
Whenever I see people with tattoos I just think: "You'd never be allowed in an onsen" and I just feel bad for them. Nice song though.
>>141286736
Anon that's lewd. I only have pure intentions.
いやらしいわ。恥ずかしい。
>>141286713
How can I ignore something which doesn't exist? There was only one negative response in the last thread to the idea of creating a proper list of easy VNs which was "easy VNs are all trash".
Can't you shitposters go ruin the /int/ thread instead?
>>141286846
You forgot to use keigo there, buddy.
>>141286667
https://vine.co/v/iQqptg3auBZ
>>141286736
i jerk off to my own posts personally and even talk about them with my dad at dinner
>>141286892
You just projected a fake reality where it doesn't exist. You need to return to the real world mate.
>>141286922
僕らは友達だろう？敬語なんて必要はないよー
>he didn't fold his kanji 1000 times today
>>141286942
>https://vine.co/v/iQqptg3auBZ
That's adorable. And now I learned what みずな is, so thanks.
>>141287007
Huh... I guess so, wanna come over and watch some quality animated art laterわ?
>>141287051
I don't use placebo apps thanks
>>141287051
What's this terrible looking thing?
>>141287142
Maybe after I read for a few hours.
>>141286892
>>141264930
The only difficulty list you need is "Read what you're interested in and if it's too hard find something easier"
>but how do I find something easier
See this: https://omochikaeri.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/april-2016-eroge-releases/
Pick anything that has 4-5 cute girls on the front
>still too hard
try another one
>STILL too hard
Study more grammar.
>>141287336
Brb I gotta 吐く.
>>141287007
友達になろうと言われたら友達にならない気がする
なぜだろう
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sE2n_mrh9M
>>141287349
whats the difference between saying 友達にある and 友達である
洗剤を減らし過ぎると洗い上がりが良くなかったり、入れ過ぎると洗剤が残っていたりします
Why is 上がり put infront of 良くなかったり, i see that it can mean "crop yield" but I dont think this is what they are saying?
So with all of the guys in these threads shitting constantly on manga/anime/VN/LN/doujin/etc, are you big literature fans looking to read Japanese classics? What are some of your favorites?
>>141287472
>whats the difference between saying 友達にある and 友達である
I dunno why don't you tell me
>>141287496
Because it is used here as the あがり form of the たり adverbial negative noun suffix.
>>141287545
There's one person doing most of the shitposts about it that just wants to destroy the thread or something and then there's this guy >>141287472 who just shitposts constantly with unclear intentions.
>>141287496
あらいあがり is one word like できあがり but with 洗い
>>141287677
No.
One of the reasons I love Japanese is that it can be written vertically and horizontally. Languages like English are so awkward when they have to be written on the spines of books. The Japanese books on my shelf look so much better than my English ones.
>>141287545
Yes I am indeed a literature fan. My favorite piece of art is オレのラブコメヒロインは、パンツがはけない。It's a true Japanese classic.
>>141287873
Cool...
>>141287545
reading is for gaylords id rather smoke weed
>>141287551
i dont know im literally stupid as FUCK and ty kim wont pick up his celly so i have nowhere else to turn
>>141287639
i think you can just classify me as chaotic good then if you need a label also im real disappointed you didnt use 糞上がり
>>141287873
You can do the same with English too if you really want to.
>>141287890
I'm pretty fond of 世界の終りとハードボイルド・ワンダーランド personally but yours sounds good too
>>141288136
Googled it and saw a floating egg lol it's not even anime
That's not real literature just letting you know
>>141288040
It looks bad and is hard to read. Have you ever read manga where the typesetter ran out of room and did that? It hurts the eyes.
>>141287349
That's fine is ease is all you give a shit about. Something being fairly easy to read doesn't mean it's also going to be good enough to make you want to struggle through it.
What we should have is a list of VNs which are not only fairly easy to read, but reasonably good as well.
>>141288271
There's a SEX in it though, and it's also got nameless protagonists so i can self-insert for the kinky stuff.
>>141286591
Monobeno's interesting because most of it is actually really really easy and fine as a beginner moege. But there are some parts with very strong accents and obscure Shinto references which get extremely difficult. So it's actually fine on this list if you just stick to the easy parts.
>>141288377
>That's fine is ease is all you give a shit about. Something being fairly easy to read doesn't mean it's also going to be good enough to make you want to struggle through it.
What the fuck? I'm literally telling you to read things that you find interesting. How the fuck do you think playing Flyable Heart because it's the first in the list is going to be more likely to make you want to struggle through it?
>>141287873
On that topic, why is it that Latin characters are so much harder to read when vertically arranged? It's actually easier to read rotated words than vertically arranged ones.
>>141288377
>>141288469
I can't read these posts lol...
>>141288469
>>but how do I find something easier
>See this: https://omochikaeri.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/april-2016-eroge-releases/
>Pick anything that has 4-5 cute girls on the front
>>141288391
Not anime = not real literature that's the rule we follow here you can jerk off to your fake books all you want but that won't make them literature just saying mate...
>>141288538
>>141288473
It's because latin characters have a vertical aspect ratio and they're constructed in a way that puts more shape information along the vertical axis than the horizontal one
there are only a few characters that have more horizontal information than vertical, like m and w
Meanwhile CJK characters are squarish and very balanced
>>141288136
oh i read that one thats by the guy who wrote あっちゃあああちんこ燃焼 right
>>141288377
*clears throat loudly then 穏やかな声で囁くと* romeo tanaka
>>141288597
<---
>>141288597
I just realised people really watch this.
I feel a strong desire to end my life.
>>141288541
Yeah you look at those and you find something that looks interesting. Obviously that advice is just symbolic and there's no need for it to be "April 2016". The point is that pretty much any moege is going to be relatively easy so you can just pick something that looks like you would like it.
Like fine if you want, here's your easy VN list:
https://vndb.org/p2015
https://vndb.org/p98
https://vndb.org/p386
https://vndb.org/p129
https://vndb.org/p371
>>141288473
I found this
>The Chinese, Japanese and Korean scripts can be oriented in either direction, as they consist mainly of disconnected syllabic units and/or ideographic units, each occupying a square block of space, thus allowing for flexibility for which direction texts can be written
Latin characters don't have as much information per unit. Since you need to smoothly read from letter to letter in order to even make a sound it's awkward when it's vertical.
Maybe it's also because we're not used to it. We didn't learn to read vertically in school so it's weird to read it now.
Honestly I'm not positive why.
>>141288713
That's not VN that's a list of companies you fucking retard.
>>141288634
>>141288751
here check these out also
https://vndb.org/p135
https://vndb.org/p82
https://vndb.org/p171
What is a good beginner VN with a fat transexual otaku protagonist? I can't self insert if the protag doesn't match at least the fat transexual part.
>>141288751
Yeah it's not like those companies make VNs or something. How hard were you dropped as a baby
>>141286591
>Why don't we have a proper easy VN list?
Because this is /a/ and not /jp/.
Appropriate board for Appropriate content, anon.
The Reading List exists for personal reviews and potential suggestions which can be used for an individual to fashion a list from. More people who commit to adding to it in earnest, the more useful it becomes for such things. What's more, it isn't technically on /a/ so you can even add reviews/suggestions/recommendations with insightful and useful comments without being remotely off topic, as it is off site in and of itself.
Why not take advantage and continue to build up a resource we already have? Seems easier than trying to reinvent the wheel. That's my opinion on the subject, anyway.
>>141288919
ボクの生活
>>141288904
格好良いやつな
真っ白なＴシャツは一番大好きｗｗｗ
>>141288934
>>141288872
I don't want to sort through a huge list you penile retard just give a good list or gtfo.
>>141288945
>That's my opinion on the subject, anyway.
クール。
>>141286942
That's adorable. I want to fuck チノ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPwPoNjJ-Sk
>>141289048
Read this then I hear it's very highly praised
https://vndb.org/v1292
>>141288945
>Because this is /a/ and not /jp/.
>Appropriate board for Appropriate content, anon.
And this is /a/ not /lang/, yet here this thread is.
>The Reading List
All the VNs on the reading list are rated upper intermediate to expert in difficulty. The only exception is the ones in pic related which seem to have been copy-pasted from someone's post and have a question mark next to the difficulty rating suggesting that the person who added them hasn't read them and doesn't know for sure how hard they are.
I'm really frustrated right now at how much I'm getting wrong in Anki lately. I'm getting over half my cards wrong. How can I get better at Anki when I'm starting to fail really hard at it?
>>141289176
>And this is /a/ not /lang/, yet here this thread is.
Ergo don't fucking push it.
>All the VNs on the reading list are rated upper intermediate to expert in difficulty.
So do something about that, anon. Magnets, how do they work?
>>141289229
If you can't identify/distinguish the kanji, do RTK.
>>141289229
>I'm getting over half my cards wrong.
It's a bad sign if you're forgetting more than what you're remembering.
The first thing that comes to mind whenever someone mentions bad retention in Anki is that they've set the new cards/day number way too high. How many new cards are you doing a day?
>>141289094
Thanks stupid mfer I'll check it out.
>>141289283
I keep getting my readings mixed up, or using on when I should be using kun. Or I'm just blanking way too often.
>>141288919
here you go dude its a pic of you and me just chillin
>>141289020
air force 1 みたいに超真っ白
>>141289048
ok heres the good vn list
Memories Off
Memories Off Pure
Memories Off Festa
Memories Off 2nd
Omoide ni Kawaru Kimi ~Memories Off~
Memories Off ~Sorekara~
Memories Off After Rain
Memories Off #5 Togireta Film
Memories Off ~Sorekara Again~
Memories Off #5 Encore
Your Memories Off ~Girl's Style~
Memories Off 6 ~T-Wave~
Memories Off 6: Next Relation
Memories Off: Yubikiri no Kioku
Memories Off: Yubikiri no Kioku - Futari no Fuuryuuan
when you finish these we can talk about starting the elf library
>>141289229
Start reviewing forgotten cards in custom study.
>>141289262
>So do something about that, anon. Magnets, how do they work?
I lack the ability to do that. Why do you think I'm interested in a list of easy reading material?
>>141289313
They are not your fucking readings, the kanji were created by Japanese people.
>>141289304
Today it gave me 100 new cards. This is obviously too much for me looking back.
>>141289342
>Why do you think I'm interested in a list of easy reading material?
Rec threads don't belong on /a/, fucktard. Use a search engine.
>>141289313
I use mnemonics for the readings too. Japanese has so few sounds that you can easily build up a set of stock mnemonics for every possible reading, after which imagining a mnemonic image for each word takes like 10 seconds.
>>141289346
Yeah, 100 is way too much. It might be doable if you know all the kanji being used, but otherwise it's not a good idea. Don't do any new cards for a few days until your retention rate improves to at least 75%. After that, start adding new cards again at the default pace of 20 cards a day.
The Kodansha Kanji Learning Course looks so lit but I'm already 1800+ kanji into RTK :/
What 麻薬 should I use to induce temporary schizophrenia? I need it to synchronize with my visual novel protagonists.
>>141289430
ちんこチュアブル精液味
>>141289399
yeah FUCKTARD lmao
>>141289399
>rec threads
>threads
>Use a search engine.
If we can't use this thread to compile Japanese learning materials, then what is the point of it? Reading materials are perfectly on topic for this thread. There's all these shitposters running rampant, yet you're having a fit over my on-topic posts?
>>141289399
>I don't know what a rec thread is
>>141289482
Fuck that shit i'm not a 退廃的なホモ
Why does no one want to read manga
>>141289612
im reading manga right now
>>141289612
Everybody wants to read manga it's just shitposters. Ignore all responses to this post that are contrary to what I just said, those are shitposts too.
オレ様はニュークリアで御座んす。
>>141289612
Because it's shit
Obviously.
>>141289515
look dude its all a food chain the smaller critters cant really fuck with the big boys so they go for you
its fucked up but dont take it too serious
anyway if you want a really good vn to read that isnt particularly difficult i recommend muramasa
>>141289612
i dont know manga is boring whereas vns and anime are AMAZING
>>141289632
nice double standard dude 残念ながら youre just a small flopping limp ちんぽこ in the wind
>>141289715
I want to put your でカチン in my 口 *blushes like an anime character*
>>141289767
残念ながら im straight edge and im going to protect my 童貞 no matter what
>>141289515
>If we can't use this thread to compile Japanese learning materials, then what is the point of it?
So fucking do it, moron.
Don't expect others to do it for you. We aren't here to spoonfeed retards who can't use their fucking brain. Either add to the compendium of insightful commentary that can be helpful for your desired list from experience, or use a fucking search engine to read from the thousands of user reviews of various "entry level" VNs, read some of them, then write up an entry that you think adds value to the current reading list.
It's not fucking rocket science. If you want something done, do it yourself.
>>141289612
Can't texthook manga. The thread has been full of tertiary faggots looking to machine parse their fap fuel who aren't adept enough to be accepted on /jp/, for a while now. That's what happens when mods allow generals to 1. exist and 2. be left without moderation. The outsiders take over and shit everything up.
>>141289549
Fuck off newfriend.
>>141290117
>We aren't here to spoonfeed retards who can't use their fucking brain.
so we know what youre not here for
what are you here for dude
i mean other than post like a gaylord
>>141290117
>Fuck off newfriend.
lel
newfag detected
>>141290117
lurk more newfag
>>141290355
this
>>141290117
Jesus man, I'm sorry for whatever went wrong in your life.
>>141290117
ラークもっと新ファグ
Is rtk still a meme
>>141290632
Kanji study wa useless deimasu
>>141289334
Now this is the second time you mention Elf
Be honest Jamal are you a cuck?
>>141290958
if only people paid attention to the right things i swear to 神
1 of my fondest memories is of playing dokyusei and fumbling with 5 inch disks while i had a giant boner lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzDnwZHDPB0
i dont know about no cuck shit so tell me more
>>141290117
>adept enough to be accepted on /jp/
this made me laugh
>>141291338
i thought adept was a pretty classy way to say it instead of other words that are actually very harsh but true
>>141291414
>harsh
please don't discriminate against mental illnesses they are a perfectly normal thing that we should be more open about
>be at work
>no one knows you're learning Japanese
>see a cute girl walk in
>mutter "可愛い" under your breath
>your black co-worker that acts ghetto as fuck hears you say it and looks at you and smiles
>you nod
>he nods
>you realize he watches anime
>he denies it
Pls.
>>141291946
if you said kawaii unironically irl then its only natural that dudes not gonna want to make a connection with you based on anime
thats just bad policy dude
>>141292034
It was ironic. I'm an enormous smartass at work.
I even did a little Sunohara-esque dance as I was saying it. He knows. He knows I know.
Anon, I feel like I can teach him. He can show me basketball, I can show him good anime. It could be a friendship. I just have to crack his blackness.
>>141291946
If I hear anyone say 可愛い in real life, I would never ever reveal my power level to them. That's like the #1 faggy weeb indicator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KOAe09hxOo
面白い
>>141291946
I would avoid you like the plague to be honest.
>mfw plebs around me talk about anime and I don't say a thing
>>141292255
chilling out with the casual racism is a good way to start dude
>>141292294
if you just said power level unironically then...
>>141292328
god i love variety tv
>>141292328
Man these are some really nice New Yorkers
i wanted to ask something i did core 10k then stopped. i can read most stuff now like chiebukuro, 4gamer, and vns
however still run into tons of new stuff here.
i also run into sentences where i get the words but miss out on what is being said
日本の旗をかいました。いいですよ。
>>141292924
yes
>>141292294
>>141292384
>>141292502
Posers.
I'll happily reveal my power level, but only if people ask.
>>141292995
Weebs can be some of the worst kinds of people to be around for various reasons. Cutting them out from my life has been one of the best decisions I've made.
![C-cj2014d4_720p.mkv_snapshot_04.18.09_[2015.01.11_17.19.24].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sGqXVql.jpg "C-cj2014d4 720p.mkv snapshot 04.18.09 [2015.01.11 17.19.24]")
>>141292926
日本の彼女をかいました。払い戻してほしいですよ
>>141292995
I'd only reveal it to someone who's not completely autistic which is hard to find in the anime/manga fanbase usually.
>>141292995
good friends are just not made on the basis of anime its just a fact of life
>>141293234
>W̶e̶e̶b̶s̶ people can be some of the worst kinds of people
best to avoid them all i've found
>>141292924
bump
>>141294361
work harder at whatever to over come whatever good luck
>>141294499
thank you
is that what you done?
玉金
室
>>141294499
i just do whatever yes
アノンくんは
あの約束、まだ覚えてる？
わたし、いまでもアノンくんが好き
いまでもっていうより
ずーっと好きだった
アノンくんのことを考えなかった日は一つもない
実はさ
とっても恥ずかしいことを考えて
あっ、これ、内緒よ？
アノンくんのことを考えながらここで言えないようなことをする日もあった
内緒だからね！
だからね
いまさら告白しても遅いとわかってるけど
アノンくんが幸せならわたしも幸せ
あの娘、大事にしてね
JCAT result comparison, exactly 6 month interval (just finished the second one).
memorized hiragana after 3 days. damn i suck at self-motivation.
>>141295476
if you give up i'm sure that'll make you special
do you guys actually use an unmodified core 2k/6k deck?
and you straight up learn new vocab by first learning the kanji? even with combo kanji that uses onyomi's?
>>141295849
Learned Japanese in just 2 years by going through 6k twice, first time just remembering the meanings with characters in the front and the second time remembering the pronunciation
take your carbon fiber strong チンコ and ram it
into my 尻 like a vibro hammer!
>>141295881
you memorized six thousand pieces of information without ever knowing how to pronounce any of them?
Please tell me you at least looked at the root meanings of individual kanji to figure out their combo's meanings.
And somehow this let you learn japanese in two years?
(and what does "learning japanese" mean to you? are you fluent?)
>>141296010
Yes, after that I moved to Japan and after a few months I got a job as political commentator on international issues
>>141296045
im going to assume you're not trolling and label you as an inspiration. Wish me luck, senpai.
ぼくをにっぽｎ
>>141296045
so you went to japan before getting a job there?
how could you afford living in japan for months without a job? how did you eventually get a job
>>141295890
what's a chinko
>>141296244
rent in japan is actually realy fuckin cheap in alot of places
>>141296267
how is your job?
is having a job in a japanese company as shitty as people say?
>>141296267
yeah i heard that, cheaper than here in aus if you're fine with basic dwelling
>>141296045
Cool could you tell me what you think of my japanese here >>141295041 I spent 50 hours writing that
> learn some kanji and vocab
> trying to detach myself from anki as early as possible
> maybe I'll start reading some stuff
> hey, this yotsuba thing looks simple enough
> can't even read yotsuba, a manga literally aimed at elementary school children
Sometimes I wonder why I haven't necked myself yet. This language will always feel like a foreign puzzly mess for me.
教科書体のフリーフォントがありますか
でもJIS2004と字の大数も
（モトヤのフリーフォントが使われるのはできません）
>>141296529
how far into anki are you?
>>141296584
I don't use anki, I don't know how it works and everyone here trolls me, I hate it and Japanese isn't even useful anyway. I give up.
>>141296364
im not the japanese job haver i dont live in that shit hole anymore thank god
>>141296447
unfortunately its really long and boring and i dont give a shit lol could you reformat to the size of a tweet
>>141296529
yotsuba isnt a good babys 1st nihongo book trust me ive seen enough boys lamenting their existence while crying on the pages they cant read to know
try something like the pic here >>141286662
>>141296636
its better to quit if you arent absolutely sure learning japanese is what you want more than anything
>>141296704
>ive seen enough boys lamenting their existence while crying on the pages they cant read to know
im one of those boys, even on the first pages
other things might be easier, but yotsuba is an amusing idiot with ridiculous balance so its more motivating to read
>>141296704
are you chinese? do you know chinese?
>>141296704
I finished all volumes of yotsubato before reaching 1000 words seen in core2k. I am tempted to call those who can't read it after 2k retarded, but perhaps my IQ (over 130) puts me at an advantageous position.
ねぇ
新しい単語教えて
>>141296584
About 400 cards into kanjidamage deck
I can't even do vocab or grammar because I feel like I still don't know enough kanji to be able to learn shit.
>>141297466
its taboo to say here, but I strongly recommend not learning kanji until you've gotten quite a bit of experience under your belt.
You can change your anki deck settings to give you the furigana for your anki words. I think this'll help push you forward a lot faster.
I know at least 2k word's pronunciation, and now that I'm going back to learn kanji - it's a breeze now.
I recommend going through all of tae kim's before trying to tackle manga. And if you have a friend who know's japanese, ask them for help. At first you'll probably need some help to get past slang/other bullshit.
>>141296529
I finally finished Yotsubato just the other day and I was optimistic about moving on to other things, I moved on to Hunter x Hunter thinking I had an okay grasp of the language, but now I just don't know anymore, man.
It's a struggle.
>>141297353
not everyone here is autistic, mr. 130-IQ-probably-psychology-major-rainman
>>141297338
だったらどうする 没有什么区别だろ
>>141297353
its not like the vocab is hard its just when the text book is all you know on how to talk and then you see people talking not like the text book what exactly are you supposed to do? some people find a way to get more information and more exposure and figure it out or whatever and others are just fucked
>>141297452
原木
>>141297567
i pretty much agree you dont need kanji to have functioning japanese at first youre actually much stronger if you learn how to communicate basic needs concepts and questions and then learn kanji as it they come later as you build on your baby shit
>>141297590
I gave up on hunter x hunter. Too many proper nouns make it really difficult to handle.
>>141297353
>I finished all volumes of yotsubato before reaching 1000 words seen in core2k
you have to read the words anon not just look at the pictures
DJT alignment chart, v1. I was considering giving Chaotic Neutral to radical freedom guy because it certainly fits the ideology and I have a soft spot for him, but ended up deciding on Namasensei thanks to legacy and it fitting a little better.
>>141297619
You couldn't just say at the start that you already know chinese?
I'm sick of hearing all these "learning japanese is /so/ easy" stories only to find out the fucker already learned the hardest part of the language.
>>141297716
>no FREEDOM
>>141297716
Move nama to chaotic good, imouto to neutral good, finny to lawful neutral, and drop whoever the faggot under lawful neutral is
>>141297716
i inspired you with the chaotic good thing huh
well thats cool i love more meta shit it helps distract everyone from the true goal
>>141297730
i never said learning japanese is so easy dude if it was id be able to tell people who just read tae kim and did a couple flashcards how to understand yotsubato or how to deal with made up fantasy words
>>141297716
>imouto
>chaotic good
if that means hiragana and stuffing your face then its on the money
Wow, these threads have really evolved since the last time I checked them ~3 years ago. I actually, finally, feel like I could learn Japanese using the resources in the OP in conjunction with my Japanese book.I kept starting and stopping, having nobody to practice with and then forgetting all the basics over and over
Thanks to all the anons who've contributed to these resources.
>>141297815
trying to use idioms isn't going to dissuade him from comprehending your post anon
>>141297815
to be fair i already called chaotic good originally so im pretty upset he couldnt even do me a solid on that after i gave him the idea
>>141297812
>>141297905
Wow, I didn't even see that post (consciously). I probably skimmed over it and it subconsciously got the idea to throw this together from it.
>>141297786
Lawful neutral is Tae Kim. Who would fill the chaotic neutral void?
>>141297959
>Lawful neutral is Tae Kim
He's not very "lawful" though. He shitposts on his blog all the time. He would go under "neutral good" or something.
>who would fill the void
Use your imagination.
>>141295162
Thats sick dude
I had similar progress ill post when i get home
>>141298014
Not bad suggestions, I think this is better. Sorry to Jamal for cucking you out of chaotic good.
>>141298192
im just completely throwing a fit over here with 湯気 shooting out of my 耳s
beecock
>>141298192
jamal's in neutral evil tho
>>141298276
Here are some possible adjectives describing neutral evil characters: unfeeling, uncaring, insensitive, unkind, uncooperative (unless it suits them), self-reliant, wicked, cruel, depraved, corrupt, immoral, hateful, vicious, and destructive.
this is just freaking wrong and not true about me
>>141298316
do you wanna swap places with radical freedom guy
>>141298329
Here are some possible adjectives describing chaotic neutral characters: unreliable, independent, greedy, inconsistent, unpredictable, selfish, disorderly, anarchic, self-centered, confusing, unfettered, free, and individualistic.
i mean everything i do i do for my djt boys so i dont even care but some of that makes sense for my 設定 i guess
So why is it 原因のX and not Xの原因?
>>141298316
"Evil" is a bit of a stretch for anyone here but sakura; you have to make allowances for these sort of charts because there are only so many slots. Like >>141298329 said you probably would fit better in chaotic neutral but I think radical freedom guy deserves it more.
>>141298426
post examples
>>141298426
There are nearly 20x as many hits for Xの原因 on Google, man.
>>141298426
原因のX
cause's X
the X of cause
Xの原因
X's cause
the cause of X
>>141298444
>>141298474
>保健所はこのおにぎりが原因の集団食中毒と断定しました
>>141298549
probably being used as a の-adjective there, like "original poisoning" or "initial poisoning"
real context would help
>>141298426
ill answer if you can answer >>141287472 for me
>>141298442
but i gave you the idea there would be no chart without me this is 完全 bullshit!!!!!
>>141298549
ボクのちんこはこのスレが原因の糞ファッキンビッチズ悪疫と断定しました
面白い日本人が書いてるブログ教えてください
>>141298611
I realize now that it's actually 保健所は [このおにぎりが原因] の 集団食中毒と断定しました and not 保健所はこのおにぎりが [原因の集団食中毒] と断定しました
>>141298673
失礼すぎる
>>141298826
僕のレス
>>141298836
日本人なの？
So there's a guy saying
>母さんからよくメールきてて
Context is that his mother is already dead. So would that imply that, ignoring the literal meaning, it means 'I looked at an [old] e-mail from Mother.'?
>>141298826
おもしろいにほんじんが、かいてるのがいいの？
それとも
おもしろい、にほんじんががいているのがいいの？
>>141298826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHf1qLpOxis
>>141298885
where do you see "looked"
>>141298885
i think youd have to work "looking" somewhere in there as opposed to "looked" right
>>141299838
look as in thumbing through or just generally looking at thats what it is dude きてて
>>141299875
I think you need to learn japanese
>>141300126
theres nothing wrong here though thats why youre flaming
>>141298885
>>141299875
Tbh I'm new here but I'd go with something like "so I'm getting emails from mother often". The literal meaning is probably different but yeah. The kitete part is kite(come) plus some extra shit don't know what to call it but point is that it makes it a sentence fragment I guess.
>>141300247
Looking at it again I guess could be past tense not sure now...
>>141300223
you're right, awful translations are the norm
>>141300359
awful translations for your awful posts
>>141296537
誰か
海賊版でいいよ
I'm guessing this かん kanji means stove or some shit but I can't find it anywhere, the closest I can see is 燗
>>141300409
I'm glad you acknowledge it
>>141300507
http://jisho.org/search/燗 says its warm sake senpai
>>141300507
It wouldn't have to mean stove, would it?
It could just mean the gas used for 燗
>>141300507
燗酒 or whatever
>>141300571
rolling eyes i was using your words not my own opinion
stay in your lane dude
>>141284018
Learning Japanese is fucking depressing.
>>141300659
Yeah I guess that would make sense, doesn't seem to be anything else it could be
>>141300507
どこのことばだろう
あたしはきいたことのないことばづかいだよ
東京言葉なら
>燗鍋の火かけっぱなしで 出かけたのか この馬鹿者が！
かなあとおもうよ
Has the newest firefox update broken rikaisama? It's not working anymore.
>>141300825
>updating when nothing is broken
>>141300825
switch to develper edition, update rikai, profit
>>141300718
Hey is writing "atashi no" instead of "atashi ha" in your post still grammatically correct? Cuz that's how I'd write it and I'm starting to think it's just English grammar to say it like that.
>>141300912
>buying a car when your legs still work
>>141300912
but it keeps pestering me till I update
あたしわにっぽｍ
>>141301132
>日波
Such useful vocabulary in this language
>>141300963
>buying a new car when your older car works perfectly fine.
>>141297716
>>141298192
This is even more cancerous than the imouto avatar roleplaying Finnfag. Well done DJT, didn't think you could get that fucking sad.
>>141301221
>buying cars when you're black
>>141301304
Black people aren't allowed in my country, so I have no point of reference for them.
>>141301304
>Going outside of your house
>>141300943
あんまり正式な文法ではないのかもしれないよ
>あたしはきいたことがない
は「あたしは知らないけど、ほかの誰かが知っているんじゃないかな」くらいのいみでつかってるよ
>あたしのきいたことのない
は「知らないです」のいみでつかうよ
>>141301209
youve solved the riddle i am a nippolack
>>141301299
i give them a little bit of rope and they hang themself every time dude its so easy
granted every bit of rope i put out is alot like a sperm cell in a ejaculation swimming toward the egg but ultimately only 1 gets there and it just happened to be that 1 today
who knows how ill get djt pregnant next
>>141300912
>>141300963
>>141301221
>>141301304
>being this gay
>>141301323
ok then
>buying cars when you're a stupid loli
>>141301396
1 more reason anime is dumb she cant even see over the wheel
but its good the seatbelt is somehow proportioned correctly to her
>>141301338
Is it just a nuance like that though? Functionally it feels like I could either one could work.
>>141300507
燗=やかん
ダラズ=馬鹿
これらは日本の島根県などで使われてる言葉
「やかんの火をつけたままで外出したな！馬鹿者！」という意味だよ
>>141301491
お酒を温めるやかんのこと
>>141301491
なるほど勉強になりましたありがと日本人さん
うがっ --> Bored, annoyed or Ugh/Ughaa for an SFX?
>>141302098
ふんぎゃー
>>141302098
Depends on the context ennit
>>141302356
i went with annoyed.
>>141301491
島根っていうけど
島じゃないよ
まあ島だけど
というより陸の
I have a friend from Japan who is coming to stay with me in the NY. We met in Japan last summer. She speaks very little English and wants to come here for three weeks for intense immersion and study.
My worry is that I won't know enough Japanese for speaking. I can speak it well enough to get around, but not enough to have any sort of deep conversation for more than a few sentences.
I have three months until she gets here. What do I study to increase my speaking and listening fluency?
>>141302517
Speak with your dick.
>>141302517
When put in the situation where you have to speak it comes a lot more naturally than you may think
I'm sure it would be fine if you just used a combination of the Japanese you know and the little English she knows, it's not like you're going to be talking about anything too crazy anyway
For writing and reading practice you could try hellotalk, you'll get a bunch of jap bitches adding you without even having to do anything, it's really useful although it can get boring really quick
>>141302517
>intense immersion
What does that mean? Getting shagged by strong American cocks?
>>141297730
kanji is not the hardest part of japanese
>>141302602
I'm pretty good at reading and writing actually, that's my strong point when it comes to Japanese.
The only speaking and listening I've picked up is from having studied so much about writing and from watching a bunch of anime. Spending a few months in Japan helped with that too. But I'm still nowhere near fluent.
>>141302648
It means we're not really doing anything except studying. And banging like rabbits.
>>141302694
Kanji readings are, but just the memorizing what they look like part is pretty easy
>>141302738
>Kanji readings are
no
>>141302728
You could use hellotalk to find some bitches and then just ask them to skype if that's the case, I never did though because that's 怖すぎる
>>141302728
>And banging like rabbits.
Right, remember to cum inside.
>>141302738
>Kanji readings are
Are you saying that how words are pronounced are the hardest part of a language?
>>141302757
>You could use hellotalk to find some bitches
Or not. This isn't Facebook.
>>141302770
The fact kanji have multiple readings and the combination of two or more kanji often results in the readings being unpredictable is the hardest part of the language
>>141302800
no
grammar is
if the entire language had a phonetic system it wouldn't be much easier to learn, it'd just have a lower barrier to entry
How do you say "Make you happy" or "I want to make you happy" or just generally making someone become an adjective.
>嬉しくならせる
That just seems wrong
>>141302820
Kanji is literally the only hard part of the language
>>141302517
How the fuck do I meet someone who will just come to my country and stay with me. 方法教えて先輩
>>141302887
t. newfag
>>141302860
幸せにする
>>141302903
t. actual newfag
>>141302887
go learn korean then, you stupid nigger
>>141302860
君が幸せになれる道をつくりたい
>>141302820
>>141302887
日本語って難しい
>>141302800
Okay then. I was asking for clarification, so cheers for that. I agree in a way. Maybe not hardest but it is the hardest for myself, in terms of mental loading. I have a deck with kanji to readings, kanji on the front with the number of "official" readings and I have to recall them, which is sitting at around 76%, the lowest in terms of retention out of all of my reviewing.
>>141302820
>grammar is
I find vocab much more overbearing than grammar, but maybe that is just me. Working through the DoJG deck, that I am stubborn and want a base familiarity with all the words in any given example sentence means that working through the Intermediate and Advanced cards are a lot slower due to adding a lot of extra vocab cards in a side deck for reviewing as to come somewhat familiar before reading through and reviewing the grammar cards.
So far it seems that Japanese grammar has a nice flow to it. Maybe I just enjoy the language structure itself, which lends a certain form of fluidity in its aggulation.
>>141303023
>君が幸せになれる道をつくりたい
ロマンチックだな
>>141302757
I may do this, but it is pretty nerve-wracking. Thanks for the suggestion.
>>141302894
I had a friend who I stayed with in Japan for the first week. He introduced me to a few of his friends, one of which had a cute younger sister she had brought along. I pulled the Japanese male superiority card, and kept saying she was cute and I'd like to get to know her, until they finally both thought it was a good idea. They're so moldable, them Japanese. 頑張って, anon.
>>141303023
君が黒人にレイプされる可能性が高い道に嵌めたい
>>141303042
歯の浮く無粋はやめしゃんせ
>やる気出る？
Got asked this with no context. What does it mean?
>>141303285
wanna go out?
>>141303285
can you do me?
>>141303314
>>141303322
It's from someone I barely know on hellotalk
>>141303285
やらないか？
>>141300825
Update rikaisama as well, it doesn't do that automatically
I'm at about 800 vocab now (250 of them mature) and I feel like I'm hitting the cap of my brain. I even forget or mispronounce quite a few of the mature cards, or I have to stare at some cards for 30 seconds before I get them.
D-Does it get better?
>>141303329
Maybe you should ask them what they mean instead of us
>>141303592
It gets better when you stop seeing new kanji constantly
>>141303592
you're reaching some boring words and are having trouble because you don't feel they're useful
don't do that
and don't worry about forgetting, it's necessary for the brain sometimes
>>141303664
So, never
>>141303343
ウホッ！いい男！
>木星
>目星
literally
>>141304063
Literally brain dead?
>>141302486
島根は日本のなかではいなかで
あんまり人気がない場所だよ
>>141304063
>on-reading
>kun-reading
Try
>彗星
>水星
>>141284018
I'm both turned on and disgusted. Guess I need to hammer my cock now and scream unintelligible Japanese.
I've recently realized Japanese is not a hard language to learn,I'm just a fucking retard.
>>141304244
It's really easy to fix that, quit going on 4chan so much and put time into learning instead.
>>141304372
>really easy to fix
>quit going on 4chan so much
I'm not sure this will help him.
>>141304244
its ok m8, if anime has taught me anything you've been reading jap and this board with your eyes closed
you just have to whisper something poniard then open them a crack and bam you'll get serious
I think I have developed some kind of magical power because of all that anime watching now I can memorize kanji instantly is this normal?
>>141304756
Well, several studies show that people who watch anime are generally smarter than those who don't, so it's possible.
>>141304783
being smarter than normals eating up game of shit is hardly encouraging
>>141304756
Don't worry, it will get harder once you're done with the 50 super common kanji.
>>141304828
>being contrarian
GoT is fun as fuck dude. One of the few things I can actually get excited about nowadays
>>141304833
I have already memorized more than 7000 kanji and I don't even know katakana yet.
>>141304890
I've completed more anime than you buddie.
Nice buzzwords you got there bro
ビッグペニス！！！
大きなペニス！！！
セックスする！！！
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Frequency_lists/Japanese
How far can you read down this list before coming across a vocab you don't know? Only 5 skips allowed.
>>141305637
>mobile link
yeah fuck off phone poster
ねえおにいちゃん
ひつじかぞえて。おねがい
My anime parcel arrived guys! I bought a lot of LN and VN fuck yeah time to enjoy some art... I'm going to the post office right now anyone wanna come over play some VN with me?
>>141305730
ペニスを引き出した
おいいいじゃっぷマイちんこイズウェイティング
>>141284018
母上は仕事を探せと言いますが私は日本帝国に命を捧げたい
Can you read the 私は as わたくしは？
>>141305637
That list doesn't seem very reliable, or the 4000 most common Japanese words contain アラブ首長国連邦, 容量, 空襲, 安打, 満州 and 卿.
>>141305909
Here it's probably あたし
>>141305892
セクシー羊
>>141305955
>This was drawn from the complete dump of the Japanese Wikipedia
At least read the first fucking sentence explaining the data in the link anon provided, for fuck sake. Just how lazy can you be, man?
>>141305909
"わたくしは"の方が高貴な雰囲気がする。
![c-mste20160506.ts_snapshot_08.54_[2016.05.09_22.37.02].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DK0tHFC.jpg "c-mste20160506.ts snapshot 08.54 [2016.05.09 22.37.02]")
I'm super compelled
>>141306286
This is :D
Nice 匂い what did you eat today?
>>141306704
is that from vaughn tv
those streams always have audio glitch for me
![c-mste20160506.ts_snapshot_16.03_[2016.05.09_22.44.00].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OTsvSWv.jpg "c-mste20160506.ts snapshot 16.03 [2016.05.09 22.44.00]")
>>141306862
It's last week's Music Station I downloaded a 6GB recording off JS
Extremely recommended if you want to see artistes talk about pets
>>141306927
after various googles of asahi, JS and music station i've not found it, beyond offical sites
pardon my new, is JS some private tracker?
今日は大学で日本語を勉強します。夏のクラスが好きです。
>>141307158
いぇす jpopsuki
I can give you an invite, just post your email and your favourite obscure Japanese song ;)
>>141307167
It's not summer yet, poofter boy.
>>141307352
Thanks :)
I can give you an invite to animesuki in return if you want.[email protected]
>>141307473
Its always summer on /a/ newfriend.
>>141307669
I said post your favourite obscure Japanese song!! >:(
>>141307919
Oh sorry I forgot :(
ダイスキだいすき
>>141307937
Wow, it's so obscure I can't find it anywhere
>>141307352
nah its ok if it's conditional invite only, i'm not that interested
>>141307669
kek
>>141308284
I was kidding, I'll invite anyone as long as they can prove they like japanese music (they will actually use their account)
>>141308339
I'm going to post my email at some point and ask for an invite for the sole purpose of not seeding, getting banned and having your account be punished.
>>141308389
Remember to take your meds on time
>>141308339
aight[email protected]
tell me your thoughts on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6uHEsa41aI
![[ETB] Aria the Origination 04 [963AD0E9][00:20:25.090].png](https://i.imgur.com/YrBUr5M.png "[ETB] Aria the Origination 04 [963AD0E9][00:20:25.090]")
Has anyone else here given up before? I'm sure there must be some of you. I'm wondering if you've experienced the same thing as me.
I recently started back again, and it feels like my ability to understand the language has actually improved over the several month break I took. I'm retracing my steps through Core right now, and words which I was having a really hard time with before and/or kept mixing up with other words are no longer a problem for me. My formerly ~70% correct percentage now exceeds 90% somehow. On top of that, I've been going through grammar resources again to refresh my memory and everything just feels so much more intuitive and easy to absorb than it did last time.
>not watching idol shows for listening practice
How are the reps coming along, DJT? I have 700 to go today, but it's doable at a good pace.
>>141308525
I've been reviewing my RTK deck, as I stopped due to doing core more. It's far easier to "relearn" than learn for the first time, so it's not so bad.
I want to remember those semi uncommon characters more easily, so when I encounter them later it will be a breeze. Also adding in Japanese keywords while I review, makes it far less bland.
>>141308525
>aria
あらあら
no, not given up, and you were too concerned with your stats last time
>>141308603
I don't like idol culture
>>141308603
I want to learn Japanese not "fake retard"
>>141308664
>I have 700 to go today, but it's doable at a good pace.
fookin heck m8
How long do you spent on Anki in an average day?
>>141308496
I was debating about whether to send invites when we have a couple of rampant autists, but that impressed me so much I had no choice but to send you an invite.
>>141308991
>for listening practice
>but i do...
>posts video with subs
>>141308952
cheers mang
>>141308991
Best part about lucky star hands down
>can understand written Japanese in novels pretty ok
>can understand spoken Japanese in television pretty ok
>cannot fucking understand a word of sung Japanese is music
It's so friggin baffling, usually it takes me till the end of the song to even confirm it's Japanese from picking up a single word
>>141300459
まずは
その依頼を英語で書けませんかね
さすがに内容のわからない依頼には応えられない
>>141309157
Listen to more japanese music, and pay attention
Then read the lyrics and listen again
>>141309035
well you see, with webms, the encoder i use hardcodes them even if the standard allows for softsubs through html5
but rest assured they remain disabled in my actual player until i review what i thought was discussed
i should probably grab the jap subs actually
>>141309157
That's because you're
1. A crossboarder
2. Lying to yourself when you say you have "pretty ok" comprehension
>>141309198
Japanese subs don't help with listening. They help with temporary comprehension, but as soon as you turn them off you're back to where you were before. The only way to get better at listening is to listen by itself and try and make out words for yourself.
>>141309223
You are wrong on both counts
>>141308791
>idol culture
>culture
I have to say I ｗｗｗｗed pretty fucking hard
>>141309291
You must be retarded then
>>141309291
I really see no possible way you could understand a reasonable amount of tv without also being able to understand a reasonable amount from pop songs.
I get what she's saying in this picture, but what the fuck is happening?
Am I losing something in the description?
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=56247386
I'm really curious, I just can't figure it out
>>141309307
There is a culture surrounding idols though. There is a pretty big group of idol otaku's that customs and rituals that they do. Check out the 地下アイドル board on 2ch.
>>141309349
It's because he can't. It's like the people who say things like "I'm really good at reading, but even I have trouble reading katakana sometimes" or "I could read that if they put the kanji, why do they always use kana only?!"
>>141309278
No
Listening to a lot of Japanese helps your listening
Listening to a lot of Japanese helps your listening even if you are using comprehension aids
That's why VNs can help your listening plenty too.
The only way it wouldn't help your listening is if you only read and ignore what is being said, but as long as you play each line until you can understand it spoken (with or without having read the line) you are improving your listening.
>>141309278
hmm ok, i still struggle with the speed in which they talk but i guess i do without if it wont help
>>141309381
It's a fake culture, that's just like saying islamic culture or nigger culture.
>>141309447
Listening with English subs also helps your listening, but no one would recommend that because of inefficiency.
>>141309373
That is fucking disgusting.
>>141309528
Why is it disgusting
What's happening
>>141309478
nice meme
>>>/pol/
>>141309552
Don't you see the tumors?
>>141309570
I hope you aren't talking about the tits.
>>141309373
She gave him gross money covered in snot but he has to take it to survive
>>141309564
I'm sorry I offended your deep culture, can you inform me about it?
>>141309609
nice meme
>>>/pol/
>>141309594
Tits? Those aren't tits.
>>141309600
Oh. Who gives a shit, it's still money.
>>141309349
https://youtu.be/RxR0VWbGHqE?t=2127
I mean, are these lyrics not difficult to grasp?
When I said "pretty ok" I mainly meant that I could get the gist and follow along but with this song all I get is 人ごみ
>>141309519
Listening with English subs is fine actually. It isn't inefficient, again as long as you are actually listening and making sure you catch every word. Like to take it to an extreme if a Japanese native who also happens to know English were to watch with English subs would you say they aren't listening?
The problem with English subs is that unless you are already fairly advanced, you just won't be able to understand what japanese words are being said just from English subs. But of course in that case listening raw wouldn't help much either would it. Thus Japanese subs.
>>141309639
I can't speak ebonics that's what you 'people' call it right? Do you understand standard English? Here, I'll dumb it down for you - You culture good! Black good!
>>141309701
nice meme
>>>/pol/
>when you want to watch a show but the only option is Dailymotion because chinks are fucking clueless
The availability of Japanese TV online is an absolute fucking joke.
>>141309735
What is this link? A ニガー board? Sorry, I don't associate with your kind.
>>141309766
nice meme
>>>/pol/
>>141309750
>when you watch to watch a tv show online but you're a bakagaijin and don't know which websites to use so you come to an english website to complain about it
>>141309691
The odd word is tough because of the shitty compression, but that's mostly super easy to understand.
>>141309856
What a mystery.
>>141309698
The reason English subtitles are not efficient is the same reason Japanese subtitles are not efficient.
>>141309691
Where's the song? The end? Neah it's pretty fucking easy the only thing that makes it a bit hard is that he's talking over it
I can't say I get every word but like the start is
押しつぶされそうな人混み見失いそうな不安になるけど
足早に歩く(?)店中
>>141309899
Maybe you should start trying to experience things instead of making assumptions about them or just believing what you are told. I bet you think text hookers are bad too.
>>141309373
she say "what do you wanna say to me? "
it"s unique picture.she sqit to bill and paint armpit sweat.
>>141309795
Did you overdose on クラック? Do you need some 現金? I'll give you some if you let me ファック your 妹.
>>141309917
I could actually hear it pretty easy once I knew what she was saying, and I knew all of those words. I don't know what it is about singing that makes it hard for me to pick up words I know.
>>141310015
You are wrong.
>>141309942
I didn't say anything was bad, I said they were inefficient. You could make an argument from an enjoyment standpoint, sort of like how people say reading is "better" than anki, even though on an hour-to-hour comparison anki is much more efficient than reading would be. But more enjoyment = less burnout, etc. If you're talking about pure listening efficiency, subtitles of any kind are not good. You want to be able to understand the words without any help. It's honestly not that much different than the people who use furigana or something to help with reading.
>>141309850
I've found plenty. The options are live TV, which means you either watch one person's current pick but hours later so it's the middle of the night when it's the afternoon in your country, or the odd leak of a Chink subscription service that lags to complete unusable shit but at least offers a decent range of channels and weekly catchup.
Then you have sites that upload actual shows to streaming sites, but anything older than 6 months will have been removed already on most, if not all of the providers. The best option here is FC2, but you can only watch 2 fucking videos a day, and the loading is slow.
Like, maybe I could waste my time on PD instead, but I really can't be fucked with that.
>>141310015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiLoDnbyrWg
>>141310028
About what? Was that a test to see if he messed up 背中 for 店中?
Anyway, I'm serious, TV and books are way easier for me to understand. Well, not news shows, but for example that Lucky Star clip. I'd type it up if I had an IME on this pc.
>>141310057
But you're straight wrong. How is still not being able to understand a word after replaying the same 10 second section 10 times "efficient"?
Is it not more efficient to just look at subtitles to check what that word you were missing was?
And you're also making some pretty heavy claims with absolutely no evidence.
> You want to be able to understand the words without any help.
You want to be able to read without a dictionary but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use a dictionary to learn.
>>141308860
2~3 hours on average, because I write the characters out on paper. Today is worse than usual, because I've let the reviews clog up.
>>141310059
There are websites that upload basically every show and link to multiple sources for them. They die eventually sure, but it's not as bad as you say. Anime, drama, and probably 100 different variety shows everyday.
>>141310195
Why the fuck do you write while doing anki? Is there something wrong with you?
>>141310203
And they're trash, they all use awful hosts.
>>141310143
>And you're also making some pretty heavy claims with absolutely no evidence.
You're right. Until you post evidence yourself we can just agree to disagree I guess. I'm just going off of my experience and logical conclusions, so are you I imagine.
>>141310267
Yes I heard that somewhere I recall something like Atheist Debate 101
>>141310228
I've never had any problems watching something so clearly it's just you.
>>141310267
I mean, do you think it's better to watch without subtitles even if you are a beginner who doesn't know the vocabulary and can' understand shit? If you are early in your study watching anime with Japanese subs would just be like reading practice PLUS a bit of extra listening practice. Whereas watching raw would just be practice in frustration I guess?
As an advanced learner I leave subs off because they are distracting but it is useful to have them to turn on if I really can't get a section.
>>141310221
Because I want to learn how to write, of course. It's not the most efficient way for sure, but I find it helps my retention and I don't mind doing it. It's actually relaxing in a way.
Label it as autism or whatever other "something wrong with me" you'd like, I'm making progess and enjoying the process.
>>141310221
Writing is part of the language, you fucking sperg. Not everyone here is looking for texthooker fluency.
>10 new cards appear
>Again on all of them
>adds new cards even though i'm struggling with the current cards
Why does anki do this?
>tfw I'm in Japan and whenever I have to write something I put it into my phone first so I don't mess up
Learn how to write, so you don't become a retard like me.
>>141310383
You can do writing outside of anki. There's no need to slow down your reps considerably if you don't lose your writing skills the moment you close your notebook.
>>141310390
And you can just suck my penis.
>>141310375
Like I said unless either of us posts evidence than this is going no where. I think listening by itself will produce bigger results in the future. Subs help with temporary comprehension, like I said before. I'm done arguing for now though.
>>141310375
Why are you here if you are an advanced learner? Just like advanced learners of other languages, such as English, the learners usually spend their time on site using the target language, instead of lurking beginner places.
You're like a mature eagle afraid to leave the nest.
>>141310472
>>141310390
>>141310383
>>141310479
Kanji syudy is useless you don't need it pick up the vocab!
>>141310472
Why do you have to handwrite things?
>>141310571
It is entirely useless pick up the voab don't do learning the kanji.
>>141310519
Because I'm addicted to 4chan obviously.
>>141310479
Anki is incredibly efficient for the practice of writing characters, you fucking idiot. Unless anon is looking to practice writing as in creative writing, essays, etc. doing it outside of Anki would take vastly more time. That's the entire fucking point of the SRS system: to practice/review things as least as possible for the greatest value.
You're a fucking fool, mate.
>>141310625
Okay I'll start doing it right away. Surely 2-3 hours is a great time investment and very efficient.
>>141310610
Retards like you only shit up threads and become parasitic generalfags. Assess your existence.
>>141310472
that's quite hard cause most of 4chan's users are retarded
>>141310571
Sometimes I need to fill in handwritten forms at my work. It's never anything major, but it happens.I'm part of an american country which bought a japanese country, I'm over here for a few months teaching them our systems since I have a rough knowledge of the language. I've got someone that is fluent in japanese and english with me most of the time, but sometimes it's easier just to do shit myself. It's annoying though since I need to constantly fly back to america for stupid shit which means my sleep schedule is destroyed.
>>141310693
>Assess your existence.
Haha assess sounds like ass so deep
>>141310535
Speaking from personal experience (so it maybe just me): I did vocab only first and got to a point where I was having a lot of problems with the kanji.
I would mix up kanji with similar radicals / similar readings very frequently to the point it was affecting my anki retention % significantly, like 20% less. More importantly, it was really frustrating me come reps time + it would take longer and be less enjoyable to get through them.
I started RTK and found it really did help me out, moreso when learning new words, 2 kanji compounds in particular. So it had a pretty positive effect on my vocab learning, even if it took longer overall.
However, I thought I was "over the kanji difficulties" hump and started to slack on RTK reviews, and big surprise, the kanji started giving me trouble again.
So my advice is basically: if you have trouble with kanji while learning vocab, try out a kanji learning method, RTK worked for me. Most importantly, don't slack on your reviews for them, doing that ended up biting me in the ass.
>>141310693
Why are you here? It's not like this thread is particularly valuable for people who aren't advanced learners either. Your time would be better spent watching anime.
>>141310724
I don't know why I wrote country instead of company, I'm not part of the Illuminati.
>>141310672
Re-read the anon's post. They straight up admit it's not the -most- efficient way to learn vocab.
However it certainly is more efficient than the alternative to learning writing: haphazard practice outside of anki.
>>141310672
I can write over 3000 kanji from readings with 90% recall rate. The deck I use gets an average of 15 minutes a day in review.
Fuck off back to facebook with your pleb mentality. /a/ isn't a hugbox for manchildren to hide from reality from, or at least it wasn't once. Now the braindead normalfags are the majority and the retards who make up this thread cannot think beyond their dicks, just like every other barely beyond catatonic, TV reared normalfag.
>>141310839
You are a fucking idiot if you think I'm against writing.
>>141310839
>I can write over 3000 kanji from readings with 90% recall rate. The deck I use gets an average of 15 minutes a day in review.
Would you mind answering this dudes question? >>141310519
>>141310782
Okay I will abandon writing outside of anki right now because you say it's not as efficient as wasting 3 hours instead of 20-30 minutes in anki.
>>141310947
I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore.
>>141311007
I lost this argument, sir. You used a meme image I cannot hope to counter. This is all for now. *bows*
What's the difference between に and を?
>>141311108
One is handwritten in anki and the other isn't
>>141311108
>Tae_Kim's_Grammar_Guide_Page_1.jpg
daoes anyone know of good scans of minna no nihongo 2? the one available on the CoR is shit
Why should one ever have multiple Anki decks? Why not unite all your decks in one mega deck (Japanese cards in the same deck as French, history, math, chemistry cards...)?
Pro:
1. Card order becomes less predictable, increasing retention.
2. New links between concepts from two totally different fields can arise by association because of card order (two totally different ones randomly following after one another), increasing retention and creativity.
Contra:
3. Harder to manage, increasing frustration and time consumption. Can be fixed by using tags, especially hierarchical tags (add-on).
4. Harder to filter, same problems. If you want to study something specific, you have to make a temporary custom deck using tag filters. You are also forced to properly tag to do this.
>>141311706
幹事 study は useless でいます
ーマイクドロップー
>>141311748
Why don't I see any links to scientific studies in your post?
>>141311748
>shitty manga
Dismissed. Next!
>>141311816
The other claims are trivial, but regarding the second pro claim:
Bliss TV, Lomo T: Long-lasting potentiation of synaptic transmission in the dentate area of the anaesthetized rabbit following stimulation of the perforant path, J Physiol 232(2), 1973: 331–356
(Full text here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4727084?dopt=Abstract)
Hebbian theory says that what fires together, wires together. I guess it should apply here, too, but I'm not aware of any clinical studies using Anki about that.
八百比丘尼
>>141298068
Well where is it?
>>141312171
Also relevant, more recent findings:
Yang G, Lai CS, Cichon J, Ma L, Li W, Gan WB: Sleep promotes branch-specific formation of dendritic spines after learning. Science, 344(6188), 2014: 1173–1178
(full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24904169?dopt=Abstract)
>>141312171
The first pro claim requires a study too. Also define creativity.
I will analyze this link with my team of scientists as this is not my primary field of expertise. I will contact you shortly after we do so.
>>141312340
How is this relevant to your claims?
>>141311748
Why not still have subdecks, but under one general "Japanese" branch? So that way you can still have a grammar deck, a kanji deck, a vocab deck, a listening deck etc etc. but able to do what you're proposing.
>>141311748
Good idea, because I study Japanese, French, Italian, Serbian, Russian, Polish, history, chemistry, nuclear physics and microbiology.
>>141295476
that's pretty good actually. sure they are some people who say oh you can do that in hours but just take your time.
for comparison, my classmates on my jap course still struggle with hiragana and katakana even after 1 year of study.
so as long as you get them well studied, just take your time
>>141311748
Stupid idea, if you allocate all of your threads to one task the result will be much better.
>>141312405
>How is this relevant to your claims?
The second study is the direct confirmation that a change of signal transmission is part of the learning process.
>I will analyze this link with my team of scientists as this is not my primary field of expertise. I will contact you shortly after we do so.
Thank you for your cooperation. I knew that you can rely on the 4chan Institute for Science.
>>141312431
Anki can't handle subdecks well, says the manual. Using subdecks leads to predictable card orders, as the beginning of decks are favoured.
>>141312646
>says the manual
Fucking cucks, admitting failure rather than trying to fix it.
>>141312563
Your second link has nothing to do with your claims, sleeping wasn't mentioned anywhere in this post >>141311748.
Thank you for providing studies. It's good to know that some intellectuals come here once in a while. I'm actually not from the 4chan Institute for Science, frankly, I didn't even know such a thing existed.
>>141312724
I'll be waiting for you to write a new version of anki. How much time will it take?
>>141312801
It's not my job to fix their shit.
>>141312853
But it could be, since Anki is open source. You could be a man of action and help everyone by fixing this issue.
>>141312853
So you are admitting failure?
boku wa chinchin wo tabemashita
>>141313019
>boku
What a faggot
About how much time studying did it take you to be-able to read VN's and Doujins?
>大トリ
Looks like slang.
>>141313019
That's not proper hepburn romanization
>>141312922
How about you do it then, rather than trying to push some other guy's failure on me.
>>141312939
I'll admit that you're a failure.
>>141313070
4-5 years, but I really wasn't taking it seriously at start. Took 6 months breaks and so on.
Anyone read Western fairytales like Alice in wonderland in Japanese? Sounds like a cool thing to do
>>141313070
1-3 months for VN it's easy shit lol
>>141311897
Did you just call KMB shitty anon?
>>141313289
Mouseovering words and ignoring grammar is not "being able to read".
>>141313215
No I read only high quality Japanese literature like オレのラブコメヒロインは、パンツがはけない。
>>141313314
I did.
>>141313451
You better not do that again.
>>141313351
Why do these LN titles always sound made-up and then turn out to be real
>>141313523
KMB is shit.
>>141313339
Where did I say that I ignore grammar or use texthookers?
>>141313662
No fuck you you mean roodie-poopsie.
>>141313781
KMB is a shitty manga.
The other day I stumbled over "支那".
Is that where our "China" stems from?
>>141314026
No you fucking retard. Japanese didn't invent kanji
>>141314091
I mean the pronunciation of 支那 pretty much exactly matches the pronunciation of China in German (and is reasonably close in English).
It's not marked as "ateji" in rikaichan, so it seems unlikely to be a reverse import.
>>141314026
Yeah sure I asked my Japanese friends they say its accurate lol
>>141314091
Well China calls themselves Chuugoku, so it can't come from that. Besides, Portuguese sailors met the Japanese first, so it's perfectly plausible that they learned China's name from them first before meeting the Chinese themselves.
So when exactly can I get Yotsubato and attempt to read it? I've finished RTK, Genki I&II, and am 1400~ words into the core10k deck. I recall reading that I need like 4k vocab for it. Is that true?
>>141314237
I see, only Japanese words can be imported into European languages. It's very unlikely that it is a Chinese word that got imported by both Japan and Europe.
>>141314316
Yeah because country names don't change at all throughout history.
>>141314417
You don't. Yotsubato is a pile of steaming shit.
>>141314455
Why don't you clearly state what you mean to say instead of hiding behind a wall of sarcasm?
>>141314505
Do you have any other recommendations for reading material then? I can only take so much NHK easy news.
>>141314606
I mean that this post>>141314026 is stupid. I will admit I was wrong when you show conclusively that the English word China is a loan word from Japanese.
>>141314651
Just read anything you are interested in, but be cautious of reading anything related to anime (by that I mean light novels, manga, visual novels)
They have very crude Japanese and that can reinforce or create bad grammar habits.
>>141314651
Check the reading list here >>141288713
Try some graded readers from the OP if you feel the need to
>>141315146
You are a fucking retard, why did you post this?
>>141314026
We were in contact with China LONG before we were in contact with Japan. It's much more likely that Japan got that from us.
>>141315293
Wow what an intelligent and convincing post.
>>141315351
Answer the fucking question.
>>141314026
You have it backwards. Notice the "uk" in the Rikaichan definition. That means it originated from the United Kingdom.
>>141315882
Are you fucking stupid? How can Chinese symbols originate from the UK? At no point in time did they use a writing system similar to kanji.
