When was the last time a masterpiece was created, in your opinion?
For me it was probably Planetes, so 2003-4.
>>141115340
When will reddit stop shilling this show?
There have been loads of better shows in the meantime. Planetes wasnt even AOTS, let alone AOTY.
>>141115491
Go ahead and share your opinins then, anon.
For me it's one of the GOAT.
>>141115340
Posting this won't bring moot back, anon.
REDLINE was an audiovisual masterpiece. Story and characters not so much, but it didn't really detract from the experience.
>>141115491
Planetes has a distinct flavor to it, probably because it being hard scifi. Not many shows plunge into the hard scifi genre, so that's why it stood out. Sure, there's lots of other good shows since Planetes, but you still can't say it wasn't good. Heck, it might even be AOTS or AOTY back then, but I didn't watch the original airing and wasn't into online discussions back then, so who knows.
>>141115532
Setting - awesome. Hard sci-fi with a realistic view on what a future international community might look like. Good example of how private companies conquer space.
story - mediocre. starts out too slow and addresses unimportant stuff.Plot holes as to how a small band of 3rd world terrorists manages to infiltrate high security space stations. Main antagonist and supporting characters get away pretty much unpunished for the crimes they commited in the end for unexplainable reasons. Good main characters are even happy about that. Also deus ex machinas saving the main characters from the bs they cause.
characters - bad. from main characters that behave like they're taken out of your average afternoon shounen anime to annoying and unfunny side characters that don't serve the story in any why. Yes there's character development, but it can't improve things that weren't even there in the first place
visuals - good, sunrise did well as expected
in the end, an awesome premise was ruined by mediocre writing and characters that don't fit the setting. if oshii mamoru taken ont his show who knows what kind of marvel we could've gotten, GOAT possibly. But the way it is now, it's just a failed masterpiece
>>141115878
>in any why
in any way
>>141115340
Mushishi.
>>141115617
Came here to post this.
>>141115340
great, but i loved tatami galaxy. i would have said anohana if they just did the first episode and never went any further. all episodes after that fell apart.
>>141115491
gr8 b8 m8
>>141115340
![f7Tfwc0[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/AxMILHG.png "f7Tfwc0[1].png")
There's probably something I consider a masterpiece that's more recent, but this is what comes to mind.
>>141115878
Pretty much this.
Planetes had an interesting concept that kept me watching for about ten episodes, but the slow progession and the boring characters simply gave me no incentive to keep watching.
By the time I dropped it I had zero interest in what would happen to the characters or how the story would unfold, failing to captivate its viewers is a hallmark of a "failed masterpiece" if you ask me.
Watching the daily lives of a garbageman in space needs something other than visuals and a good premise, it needs to keep the viewer interested throughout the series.
Alas, it all comes down to personal taste i suppose, some will claim planetes is the GOAT, like Moot.
>>141116247
I explained in detail here: >>141115878
so either contribute something useful or pack your memes and shitposting and get
>>>out/
>>141116637
>needs something other than visuals and a good premise
I-It also had a great sound track.. ;_;
2015
Mayoiga, this season.
When K-On!! aired.
>>141115878
>Expecting good story and characters from anime.
I've been watching anime years and have yet to find an anime with as good characters and story as even a middling novel. Even ones I really enjoy, like Mushishi and Kino no Tabi, are just alright. They tend to lack any subtlety and just bash you over the head with stereotypes constantly.
The only things anime ever does well is concepts, visuals, setting and mood. The feel of them can be great, the substance never is.
>>141117973
>LOST the anime
I don't think so.
Last season.
>>141119387
Rakugo?
>>141119387
Konosuba?
>>141119509
Obviously, what else?
>>141115491
>Who's favourite anime to the point that it was once traditional for either him or mods to ban people shitposting about it
>leddit
No, anon.
2014
2 Planetes threads at the same time, what's going on?
>>141115878
>visuals - good, sunrise did well as expected
It looks like shit.
>>141116637
>Moot
Anyways, I always thought the ebin "Retards in space!" post was just a joke. I was shocked at how right that guy was when I first watched Planetes.
>>141118145
The characters in NGE are pretty amazing.
But I agree, good characters are an exception.
Personally I really liked the MC of Planetes.
Having a huge goal but not working for it because you know you can't reach it.
Subconsciously searching for an excuse that you can't pursue it.
Having to choose either your career or your friends and family.
>>141118145
Hyouge Mono
>>141119862
>It looks like shit
>posts screenshot where it is show to look great
>NGE had amazing characters.
Which ones? The generic angsty whiny protag, the quiet girl, the tsundere cunt, the slutty older lady, the "Cool guy", the evil master mind or his lacky?
>>141120155
>Hyouge Mono
>In the Sengoku period, when the shadow of Oda Nobunaga was still cast over the land, the warlord Furuta Sasuke lost his soul to the tea ceremony. While war shook the world around him, he faced his own conflict between his desire for promotion and his love for his art.
That sounds like the most hipster bullshit I've ever heard.
OH SO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAASIAN
>>141120195
Anon the majority of the show looks like this and you know it.
>The generic angsty whiny protag, the quiet girl, the tsundere cunt, the slutty older lady, the "Cool guy", the evil master mind or his lacky?
Yes, those.
>>141120311
go rewatch bebop burgerclap
Should I watch the name if I really loved the manga
I hear it's pretty different with even completely new characters in some places
>>141124506
the overall anime plot and thematic arcs are more coherent even if different.
the only thing I could never really get into was the addition of the nip office culture thing.
also, not enough of based rocket nazi.
![[FFF] Hataraku Maou-sama! - 10 [02227296].mkv_snapshot_18.48_[2013.08.08_09.28.06].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/90CJXrn.jpg "[FFF] Hataraku Maou-sama! - 10 [02227296].mkv_snapshot_18.48_[2013.08.08_09.28.06].jpg")
2013
1989
>>141115340
Planetes was the anime that affected my life the most, it completely changed my views toward life and my future, it was also a big part in the choice of my degree.
Was it a masterpiece? Probably
Did it manage to relay a message and some kind of feeling to the audience? Absolutely
>>141124969
This is bait, right? RIGHT?
>>141115340
story wise was a clusterfuck, but animation and OST still gaves me a raging boner to this day
>>141124506
Suffers adaptation decay, filler (Moon Narutards) and an anime original final arc that left me raging.
2014 had Tamako Love Story, Ping Pong, Space Dandy and Shirobako all of which I'd consider masterpieces.
>>141120311
>japanese animation using japanese history as a setting
>hipster bullshit
Dear Lord.
@141124969
Fuck off.
January 2010.
>>141126856
>how do I 4chan
>>141126950
I did that on purpose.
>>141126980
>hurrdurr
>>141126980
>I was only pretending to be retarded
For what purpose?
>>141127029
Because that's all stale b8 deserves.
That, and a report.
>>141126980
>merely pretending
Also
>rec thread
Dissappearance of Haruhi.
>>141126980
>I was intentionaly retarded
>>141125855
Clearly, if they put Gunbuster as a one.
>>141115340
2015
Watching all the now grown up kids in Fafner Exodus picking a career path, pursuing their dreams to be an idol, getting married and paying the price for happiness was quite something.
>>141115878
This pretty much sums up my entire view on Planetes. Great idea, great visuals, cruddy everything else. Should have focused more on the sci-fi and less on the shit characters that felt like they were copy pasted from some other generic show. I ended up dropping it because a good concept and good visuals can only carry a show so far.
It's especially sad because I was so god damned excited to have some good sci-fi in anim.
If we take masterpiece as critically acclaimed and the greatest work of that artist then it's probably Shirobako. Kaguya-hime maybe, but that's more disputed.
>>141127516
If we're not counting Mayoiga, I can agree on Shirobako.
>>141127287
This
>>141126667
I think it's better than the manga.
The music was really on point. and beautiful animations.
>>141127516
OP here.
I meant your own subjective opinion on it. What you consider a masterpiece.
As I wrote:
>When was the last time a masterpiece was created, in your opinion?
>in your opinion
>For me it was probably Planetes, so 2003-4.
>For me
>>141127828
Oh, then like last year with Eupho / Anthem / Hokusai / LWA.
Would the new Yamato count? It was just a remake of the old one, but it was the closest thing to a masterpiece I've seen recently.
![[HorribleSubs] Shirobako - 24 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_22.21_[2016.05.05_13.50.20].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/y9Z1fWd.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Shirobako - 24 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_22.21_[2016.05.05_13.50.20].jpg")
Last year.
>>141116322
My fellow /a/esthete.
>>141128122
Shirobako started in 2014, that's two years ago.
Still haven't found anything i liked as much as tatami galaxy
>>141128232
Ping Pong?
>>141119547
But he was a well-known casual who saw <50 anime in his life.
>>141127934
Jesus Christ.
>>141128721
Good thing we're talking about my opinions and not yours, eh?
>>141128626
I love that one too, but Tatami is still my favorite
Ergo Proxy tbqh
>>141128795
Tell me about it. I'd probably kill myself if those were my opinions.
>>141115340
The last masterpiece was Ping Pong. There've been a few near-masterpieces since then but no 10/10 shows IMO.
ITT: pretentious shit.
>>141128957
So what's the most recent thing you'd call a masterpiece?
>>141115340
Every kyoani series is a masterpiece.
>>141125855
>there are still people who haven't seen this image
Weird.
>>141126468
The story wasn't a clusterfuck.
>>141129045
I'd probably side with >>141127508
>>141129131
What is Phantom Sales, Alex?
![spinzaku[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/NWk7abu.gif "spinzaku[1].gif")
>>141115340
Code Geass. No series kept me laughing and at the edge of my seat between episodes as much as CG. /a/ had 24/7 active thread before, during and after both seasons. Not many anime had that going for them.
>>141129420
Cause sales = quality right?
>>141129320
I've never been /m/ enough to enjoy that series but I've heard good things. Maybe one day I'll check it out.
>>141128913
Fuck that pretentious piece of garbage.
>>141129618
It was pretty bad though.
Anyone who uses the term pretentious should be culled from society at once.
>>141130376
Are you telling me Limit Cycle isn't pretentious?
>>141130376
>trying to invalidate words that describe your favorite anime
Tatami Galaxay fan spotted.
>>141130376
Anon all you gotta do is not be pretentious.
>>141130616
Oh look a tripfag with a shit opinion.
>>141130675
A little advice, you may think you are totally anonymous online, but there's always someone who can find you, and it could effect you in real life. In no way is that a threat or anything but, not thinking before posting stuff online can hurt you in real life. I've been online since I dialed into bbs. I've watched it grown and flex and change. I've seen bad things happen to good people because they thought they where safe. So I guess what I'm saying is, don't believe just because you think you have anonymity online that there can be no repercussions in real life.
Because there can.
I don't think a masterpiece doesn't have to be "perfect" to be considered one.
A 10/10 anime doesn't have to be masterpiece when a 8/10 can.
For me a msterpiece has to be 3 things:
Timeless
Revolutionnary
Unique (have it's own iidentity)
So like it or not, even DB can be considered a masterpiece in some way.
>>141130898
*identity
>>141130898
Don't be annoying, answer the OP question.
>>141130817
Unless you're a mod you cannot see someone's IP and even then you're only getting a geographical location without anything concrete.
By the way are you admitting to or pretending to be a mod or have modlike powers? Please go on tripfag.
>>141130817
Let me guess, you graduated top of your class in the navy seals and my IP is being traced right now
Tell me more tripfriend
>>141131067
K.
>>141130817
Quality post.
>>141130817
Added to my repertoire, thanks.
>>141118145
>I've been watching anime years and have yet to find an anime with as good characters and story as even a middling novel.
How many novels have you read, anon?
Whenever I read people making generalizations about how other media are better than anime at something, I can't help but wonder if they aren't just over-exposed to anime.
>>141130817
Will CopyPasta/10
>>141131322
>>141115340
shin sekai yori
>>141115491
>having taste THIS shit
So, this is a thinly veiled rec thread, right?
Probably Mawaru Penguindrum or Dennou Coil.
>>141115340
Seriously? Not Ping-Pong? Get the fuck out.
>>141124506
The adaption is substantially different. Tanabe is a main character and our usual point of view, most of the navel gazing has been replaced with social commentary on issues that the original just touched on and the setting itself got a major upgrade to its sci-fi hardness.
>>141132525
It was great fun and all, but it didn't move me the same way Planetes did.
>>141134772
I found it very interesting that the frame-rate went up each time they were in zero-g, since it requires more fluid animation.
>>141116301
underrated
>>141132497
Actually not. Didn't really consider that people might it see it that way, but I can understand why you'd think that. Huh.
I was genuinely just interested in what people thought of as masterpieces.
>>141135651
Bonus points for the harder to animate realistic clothing rather than skin-tight suits.
>>141115878
Small bands of terrorists are a problem in this day and age, in case you've missed the headlines.
>>141129510
>/a/ had 24/7 active thread before, during and after both seasons. Not many anime had that going for them.
I miss those days where the only shows that had that kind of raging, constant posting were shows that really deserved it. Now even shit like GuP and Haifuri have threads up at all hours.
>>141115878
>mediocre. starts out too slow and addresses unimportant stuff.
There couldn't be a more subjective criticism if you were writing an opinion column on a newspaper.
>Plot holes as to how a small band of 3rd world terrorists manages to infiltrate high security space stations.
Not an actual plot hole, given that no security is foolproof. They also had inside help, which the show made completely clear.
>Main antagonist and supporting characters get away pretty much unpunished for the crimes they commited in the end for unexplainable reasons.
Yet another completely subjective assessment. One of them escaped, which isn't unrealistic, but the other was caught and reformed. It sounds more like you wanted some sort of absurd laser-focused karmic punishment that doesn't even happen in the real world.
>Good main characters are even happy about that.
Reforming someone who was/s your friend counts as a good thing, you know.
>Also deus ex machinas saving the main characters from the bs they cause.
Not really a DEM but I guess people will call anything that, as long as they dislike it.
So you didn't really come up with a good criticism of Planetes beyond just venting your personal dislike.
>>141116637
I can't possibly understand how you could drop the show by ten episode, which is when some of the best material in Planetes comes up.
>>141127510
>Calls Planetes generic
>There's very few anime like it
Okay, this is some shit taste.
>>141120376
Space scenes are more important than the regular stuff, which was still average by current standards.
>>141126667
I don't consider it "adaptation decay" but another interpretation. It's still a good show an
Also, the space ninja thing was played off as a joke for one episode. Not much in the way of filler.
I'll fight you about the final arc though. It was based on some of the manga content and the ending was pretty similar. Not identical, but similar.
>>141137217
The CONCEPT was unique, as was the setting, for an anime. The characters and execution was generic and/or poorly done, as >>141115878 stated well. Try actually utilizing your critical thinking skills even when somebody criticizes a show you like.
>>141137126
So you really didnt come up with any redeeming values of Planetes beyond just venting your personal appraisal.
>>141137314
That's not exactly much in terms of real criticism. It's simply stating a dislike for something. Which is fine, but don't need to link back to your own post, I've already read it. Calling the execution "generic" is also vague nonsense that doesn't apply. Where are all those other anime shows which have done the same thing?
2010. Saraiya Goyou.
>>141137491
>That's not exactly much in terms of real criticism. It's simply stating a dislike for something.
>in a discussion about opinions on a show
That's not my own post, it's some other /a/non who I mostly agree with. No need for me to rewrite my personal criticisms when somebody else wrote them for me in a more concise manner than I would have bothered with.
>Calling the execution "generic" is also vague nonsense that doesn't apply.
Translation: Any criticisms you level against this show will be dismissed. Thanks for saving me the time of responding further.
2016
Can we all get back to OP'S question who gives a shit about Planetes.
>>141137389
I was simply responding to your own personal venting against Planetes here and pointing out how weak each statement was, not trying to make a full case in favor of the show.
>>141137624
>No need for me to rewrite my personal criticisms when somebody else wrote them for me in a more concise manner than I would have bothered with.
Concise yet surprisingly uninformative and non-specific, you mean, other than stuff like silly complaints about the security which were already addressed by the show itself.
Translation: Anything that I don't like or find to be boring will be known as "generic" and you can't ask me to explain why that is.
>>141137722
You're incredibly assblasted over a handful of people not caring for Planetes.
>>141135651
There was a time when people tried and wanted to make something worth their time. It has more or less passed.
>>141137045
Anon, please. /m/ fucking exists because of SEED and Destiny.
What happened to this thread?
>>141139391
What do you mean? It was complete bananas from the get go.
>>141137636
Enough people, clearly.
