What makes a bad anime bad?
When I say so.
When /a/ says so.
>>141031436
subjective, also apparently >>141031460
>>141031584
are both correct, if you are a sheep that values peoples opinions other than your own that you built up through extensive viewing of multiple genres and seasons.
To put in perspective, some people like to drink their own piss, would you?
When reddit says so.
OP's pic not related. I said so.
>>141031689
If you don't have anything interesting to post don't post at all.
When a show is neither entertaining nor thought provoking.
>>141031436
The truth is whenever any anime exceeds a certain popularity limit /a/ will hate it no matter how good it might be which is why whenever a new anime comes out that I like I hope that it don't really make it big time so that I can discuss it here without it being shit on.
There have been some really, really brilliant sequels, and some shows manage to make an old idea even better.
But typically, the mark of a bad show is unoriginality, or when in retrospect the show appears banal and unoriginal even if it was fresh at the time.
easy , swords
>>141032140
That's not true at all, an unoriginal premise with great execution can be objectively good. Nothing is really all that original in the first place.
>>141031436
In NGNL; overpowered MC.
bad animation and shit writing
>>141032226
I said that in the first half of my post. There have been some great mecha shows that are great because they stick to the mecha formula. But a show with stale humour, cookie-cutter characters and rehashed plots are never good.
>>141032124
>The truth is whenever any anime exceeds a certain popularity limit /a/ will hate it no matter how good it might be
I didn't believe this until I saw Re:Zero threads. There are lots of edgy contrarians that pre-emptively hate something purely based on a gamble that it'll become bad later on all so they can claim that they had foresight that it would be shit.
>>141031436
Taking viewer for retard (which he probably is, but nonetheless).
Bad or good, it is only depends on viewer's intelligence. While kids (and retards from /a/) may find that certain anime is good, smart anon are thinks it is unbearable stupid.
>>141032124
>The truth is whenever any anime exceeds a certain popularity limit /a/ will hate it
More correctly, it is not that all of /a/ hates it as you have written. It is a small subset of /a/ that hates it and will hatepost against due to schadenfreude. Those hateposters like seeing other people getting upset or feeling bad. 4chan has its set of sociopaths and psychopaths that enjoy doing this since others are easy targets unable to return the hurt.
>>141032268
So you think NGNL MCs were balanced?
They plowed through every match, beat god, became kings, it just goes on and on.
Their only weakness was that they couldn't function when separated, yet nobody took advantage of that.
>>141032351
I'm always defending anime these days in threads. Where are you is my question?
>>141032346
>While kids (and retards from /a/) may find that certain anime is good, smart anon are thinks it is unbearable(sic) stupid.
That works in reverse too, though. Kids can think a certain anime is unbearably stupid simply because its message flew over their heads and wound up looking like a mistake instead of something done intentionally.
>>141032381
Your kidding right? There was a whole episode about it.
>>141031436
The writing, specially of the plot and characters
Slice of life that adds nothing new? Garbage
The show is just about showing how cute the characters are? Garbage
Edgy shonen with power levels? Garbage
Characters are overused cliches such as tsundere or genki? Garbage
Characters act illogically or unnaturally too many times? Garbage
Now, any of this is subject to opinion and there can be exceptions, but there is one thing that an anime can't be at all:boring
The worst offense is having boring/bland characters. Any show with a good cast is generally watchable, even if it's not very good.
>>141032401
When? I was half way through before I dropped it. I don't have time for wish fulfillment.
>>141032438
I doubt you even watched it.
>>141032435
>The worst offense is having boring/bland characters.
Sounds like you dropped Kiznaiver too.
Bad endings always leave a sour taste in my mouth.
>>141032258
More like, overpowered Gary Sty.
When it becomes too popular than it deserves.
>>141032469
I watched it up to the second conversation with god when they were left on the roof.
Considering 3 episodes is the standard test, I was being pretty lenient.
>>141032486
Having an overpowered MC or even a gary stu MC doesn't automatically make a series bad. See: One Punch Man, and Sakamoto desu ga?
The show has no originality and it just has a lot of female characters made to pander the male audience craving waifuism
>>141032508
Watch the whole thing or don't bother talking about the series at all is my rule.
>>141032509
One Joke Man and Sakamoto do it as a parody.
>>141032476
I'm still watching it. The worst thing about Kiznaiver is how similar to Kill la Kill it feels, but the concept is interesting/different enough to keep me watching.
>>141032533
Following this rule will encourage you to watch more anime as well so it's a win win. I can still pretty much discuss any anime I see posted here thanks to this golden rule.
>>141032533
You must put no value on your time.
>>141032561
And watching the entire series allows you to outclass anybody who half assed the series in arguments and discussions about the show and you won't look like a dumbass.
>>141032557
>I'm still watching it.
I'm surprised you can handle the most dull and unlikeable MC of the year. Even Nico and Tenga aren't enough to save that one for me.
>>141032533
>Watch the whole thing or don't bother talking about the series at all is my rule.
Dumb rule.
>>141032589
Thanks for your opinion.
>>141032581
I'm a true /a/nnon and I actually do like anime.
>>141032581
>implying time has value to wizards
>>141032589
>I'm surprised you can handle the most dull and unlikeable MC of the year. Even Nico and Tenga aren't enough to save that one for me.
There's a big enough focus on the side characters that the MC being dull doesn't totally ruin it for me.
Him acting the way he does seems to be intrinsic to the plot, and it seems to be hinted at that the purpose of the whole Kiznaiver thing is to turn him back to how he was before he became the dull character that he is now.
>>141032544
All three are comedies that shouldn't be taken seriously.
>>141032581
Maybe
>>141032675
>it seems to be hinted at that the purpose of the whole Kiznaiver thing is to turn him back to how he was before he became the dull character that he is now.
I'd be buying that if he hadn't shown a complete absence of any recognition of the events which occurred at the end of episode 2.
The same things that make any other bad work of fiction bad.
>horrible continuity
>idiot plot (as in, a plot that can't work unless everybody in the show is an idiot; characters don't behave that way for comedy purposes)
>the idiot characters that form an idiot plot
>cookie cutter characters with no work put into making them interesting or likable
>cookie cutter comedy
>an all around lack of anything resembling intelligent effort
Before "durrr durr, I watch anime ironically" retards comment that this sounds like all anime, not any more so than other mediums. Cartoony and over-the-top is not the same as zero effort. If anything, I'd say that if you pick a completely random anime television series from the past five years and a completely random American television drama from the past five years, odds are pretty high that the American TV show is going to be the more cookie cutter of the two.
>>141032706
I wouldn't take him seriously. /a/ is mostly hipster psychopaths but every once in a while you can find good people to have discussions about anime with.
>>141032346
>tatami galaxy
>>141032787
>psychopaths
You don't know what a psychopaths are do you? You mean try hard sociopaths anons.
>>141032787
>/a/ is mostly hipster psychopaths
That's why we love it here. All the other boards are dead.
>>141032817
Psychopath and sociopath mean the same thing. They're outdated medical terms that correspond to various traits within the Personality Disorder spectrum.
>>141032853
You are the second most wrong man on earth after that guy who posted that there would be no mlp porn
>>141032124
/v/ here, this is true for video games too.
>>141032817
>>141032819
>>141032853
I'm pretty sure you all understand the main point.
>>141032853
>Psychopath and sociopath mean the same thing.
No. Fuck outta here with your bullshit and do some research you tard.
>>141032853
I bet you breathe through your mouth.
>>141032882
That would be great if I cared about /v/.
>>141032787
Or maybe he's someone with a job who doesn't want to spend his afterwork hours watching third rate anime when he could be watching anything else on his backlog.
>>141032124
Everything gets shit on, not just popular shows.
>>141032544
Ironic Gary Stu is still Gary Stu.
>>141032893
>>141032885
>>141032880
This is free information anons. Don't get mad at me just because you don't read.
>>141032932
That's fine but she shouldn't be posting in any particular threads from the anime he dropped especially if he only watched three episodes as he really knows nothing about it and would likely just be shit posting at that point.
>>141032966
Having similarities doesn't make something the same as another.
>>141032966
You made the assertion not me and so don't tell us to do research when you haven't proved your point in the least.
>>141032987
Is watching 3 episodes not enough to tell OP why an anime is bad? If anything it's easier for a dropper to discern the truth.
>>141033033
What's the harm in keeping it to yourself and talking about anime you actually did watch the whole way through and discuss your opinions on those? That way you won't get shut down by other annon for actually not knowing much of anything about the anime you are shit posting about.
>>141032728
True, I was expecting him to change a bit and was puzzled why he was just acting the same as before.
>>141033016
>>141033012
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-shrink-tank/201002/dsm-v-offers-new-criteria-personality-disorders
Sociopath and Psychopath most commonly refer to Schizoid Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder, respectively. Learn to read about things before calling out facts you fucking retards.
>>141033111
So that's a yes on the mouth breathing, then.
>>141032960
>Ironic Gary Stu is still Gary Stu.
^This.
More importantly, it's a proof that all you need to do to make a series with a Gary Stu not suck is to keep all dramatic moments focused on some well-developed side characters instead.
>>141033075
>keeping it to yourself
Because OP was asking.
How is a fan of the show supposed to tell why it's bad?
How is someone who finds it bad supposed to finish it?
A hater who finishes a show is either a masochist or a paradox.
>>141033135
Nice rebuttal faggot, try addressing the substance now.
>>141033165
I've found something good in every anime I've watched. You've got to think of all the hard work that goes into these shows. I've personally never dropped an anime before but I was close with Soul Eater Not. If you really want to witness a bad anime watch that and compare any other anime you think is bad to that. This gif isn't even close to the worst of it and the storyline is horrific to say the least.
>>141033231
Even still I found a lot of things I liked about the series.
>>141031436
The lack of sexy lolis
>>141031436
General reasons:
> bad music / sound effects / VA
> bad pacing
Specific to my taste:
> crybaby character
> beta char swimming in girl for no reason and there is no other plot outside waifufaggot pandering
> show won't kill character
> Mc stupid morale
>>141033165
But then again my job allowes me to watch at least eight hours of guaranteed anime 3-4 days a week and sometimes more so I have the luxury of time although I spend a lot of it here as well.
>>141033262
Is that loli wearing a g-string?
>>141031436
I think something that is truly bad involves if you are seriously bored during the first couple episodes that is one of the greatest sin any series can commit. Another problem that arises is laziness whether in story telling or writing. Just because people come on here and shitpost about various anime doesn't make their opinions valid.
>>141031436
As said, subjective to a point.
How is bad determined? Is it purely the writing with plot holes, choppy and disjointed pacing? Is it when it shit's all over any ideal, moral, theme it sets up? Do we have to take into account budget for audio and visuals? Does the music fit every scene etc
There's so many parts that make up a work in the AV medium. There are many thousands of things that I like that are by my own standard mediocre as fuck because a few stand out things will do some aspect better.
You can have the same story/elements retold many hundreds of times over with the differences being audio, visuals and some name changes and each individual will probably like a different iteration of that 'same' product simply on their own taste.
Shit's impossible to completely pin down and all we can do is summarise what we don't like about something and bicker for eternity.
>>141031436
I don't like making arbitrary rules for fiction. I judge shows on individual basis.
>>141031436
An anime is bad when you have to read the Manga to understand why character behave a specific way or to fill a plot hole.
>>141031436
If I don't like it
>>141033440
The problem isn't that we can't tell how any particular anime is bad but that most of the time people rip on them haven't even watched the series altogether and just go by the grape vine. That's the biggest problem here. I don't mind if any perticular annon hates NGNL for instance but most of the time when I discuss the anime with them and try and find the reason behind it I soon find out they literally don't know anything about the show at all. I can't possibly tell you have many times I've experienced this with many different anime. It's a total mess.
>>141032381
But that was the whole point of the duo, that they will overcome anything they came across. It's expected that half of the things they'll do is marry sue level of asspull. It's like complaining that Saitama is overpowered or that Clannad designs are ugly. It just means you dislike the genre, not that the piece is shit, which of course isn't necessarily mutually exclusive, but one doesn't follow the other.
