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Why do Asukafags exist again? Asuka is just NERV's puppet teen weakling who gets discarded in the tail end of NGE, while Rei is a literal goddess in human form.
Asukafags are such dorks.
>reifags literally have to resort to editing copypasta to their liking
>>140893999
Asuka
>shit personality
>fugly-manly design
>bad wangstfest
>bad seiyuu
>bad chemistry with MC
Rei
>Just better in everything
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You've got this supreme being that is Rei, and just some discardable schlampe named Asuka.
Rei > Asuka, obviously
>>140893999
You're both dorks
Now stop having this retarded 20 year old slap fight
>>140893999
We already know Rei is better OP
It's just astounding how much better of a character Rei is.
While Asuka never manages to be anything more than a plot device and a foil to the other characters, Rei has a solid arc of development throughout the whole story that culminates with Rei defeating Gendo, the man who put her down.
Asuka just spirals down, gets jerked off to and then dies. Oh, and then Rei saves her with her intervention leaving Asuka with no real conclusion as a character at all. Rei moves forward and is more like a real person since the character actually comes alive by evolving itself.
I think the only reason Asuka is popular is because she's palatable to otaku.
>>140893999
>literal goddess in human form.
You mean discount hybrid clone isn't?
>>140894453
>I think the only reason Asuka is popular is because she's palatable to otaku.
Because she is a tsundereshit and the retarded fanbase ALWAYS eats up this character archetype.
>>140893999
you tried
>Rei
>kind
>self-sacrificing
>intelligent
>gets people out of difficult situations
>reliable
>Asuka
>unkind
>won't lift a finger for anyone else
>dumb
>gets people into difficult situations
>unreliable
There's just no contest. Rei is so much better than Asuka.
>>140894144
>shit personality
At least she has a personality.
>>140893999
>Dollfags calling anyone else a puppet
>>140894536
Rei is a literal goddess which mankind puts it's best men and scientists to create. Asuka is just the child of some fuckboy whose mother abandoned her. No wonder it created such a piece of unstable shit like Asuka.
This argument will never stop will it?
When will Reifags learn that Asuka is so appealing BECAUSE she's weak and helpless?
>>140894730
Pretty sure OP is a Reifag, not an Asukafag. Asuka was the retarded puppet of NERV till the day she died. In other words, Asukafags are the dollfags.
>>140894728
Calm and collected is a personality.
A superior one at that.
>16 replies
>9 posters
It finally makes sense guys. Reifags don't really exist, it's just one guy samefagging.
>>140894818
>mass produced
>no personality
>expendable
Rei is the doll here, after NERV use one Rei up they grab another from the tank before she is juiced for that LCL.
>>140894735
>Rei is a literal goddess which mankind puts it's best men and scientists to create.
She's an impure expendable half-clone made by the dozen.
>Asuka is just the child of some fuckboy whose mother abandoned her.
Untrue. Asuka is a Darwinist project design baby. Her mom was innoculated with a cocktail made of the best of the best.
>>140894817
You just killed the bullshit-o-meter.
>>140894728
>asuka
>having a personality
Pretty sure that Asuka doing exactly what NERV trained her to do doesn't count as having a personality. Here's how it works:
Rei has a personality because she's worked since day one to define who she was and figure out what she wanted to do, she has a connection and understanding of herself that doesn't rely on any outside factor. Rei is herself, her personality is strongly defined and unshakable. Her entire personality is her own.
Asuka doesn't have a personality because Asuka never even once in the series tried to figure out who she was or who those around her were. Shortly after Asuka was born, when she still was a small child, she was reared to believe she specially selected to be an EVA-pilot. Her entire "personality" came from that, and when she lost that, she became motionless and just a sex toy for Shinji.
>but Asuka speaks in a louder voice
To the point of it being a negative.
>>140894817
>implying
If that was her appeal, then Asukafags wouldn't collectively deny NGE or try to portray Asuka as everything but the weak and shitty character she is. Asukafags are just jealous of how strong a character Rei is, how great her aesthetic is, and just how much nicer she is.
Picture related, just look at how "Asuka" has changed over the years to cater to Asuka fans. Basically Asuka fans just want their inferior favorite to be more like Rei.
>>140894997
>>140894998
The mass produced thing is a moot point considering they share the same soul. Having spare parts is a good thing.
>>140895153
>Rei has a personality because she's worked since day one to define who she was and figure out what she wanted to do
Funny. That's exactly what Asuka does. She knows she's a tool but want to makes the best out of it. Even going beyond duty and taking risks unnecessarily. She stopped to a halt because the weakness she thought had buried deep was plastered right into her face.
>>140894997
>Rei is the doll here, after NERV use one Rei up they grab another from the tank before she is juiced for that LCL.
This means Rei lives and can still continue her fight. Remember what happens to Asuka when NERV is finished with her? Gendo says she's useless and then to get rid of her first chance they get.
I guess Asuka was the puppet after all, eh?
>>140894998
>She's an impure expendable half-clone made by the dozen.
They have clones because Rei isn't expandable. It's like Rei gets the most advanced form of protection available, resurrection and reincarnation, while Asuka can just die.
In NGE, even though Rei can literally be resurrected with clones they still prioritize Rei's safety more than Asuka's. Asuka is just that worthless.
>Untrue. Asuka is a Darwinist project design baby. Her mom was innoculated with a cocktail made of the best of the best.
Mixing the manga with NGE I see, can't keep your canon straight apparently. But then again, if you could, you wouldn't be an Asuka fan.
Asukafags BTFO
>>140895250
>more like Rei.
Yeah nah. Rei is fine but if Asuka becomes another Rei the show will lose its spark and become an emo borefest.
>>140895434
Manga is canon, anon. NGE is a multiverse.
>>140895400
>Funny. That's exactly what Asuka does.
Never, notice how you're making up shit because you cant' deal with how bad Asuka is.
>She knows she's a tool but want to makes the best out of it.
She literally never, ever thinks that she's a tool, says that she's a tool, or even accepts that others imply that she's a tool until the end when she's already lost and she can't be a tool any more.
>Even going beyond duty and taking risks unnecessarily. She stopped to a halt because the weakness she thought had buried deep was plastered right into her face.
Asuka was always weak, and always a puppet. That was the real Asuka that came out, not the false shell NERV brainwashed her into being. She was never special. Rei was.
Rei has integrity, even though she's hurt, she's had her purpose taken a way, Rei still goes on strong. She doesn't pause to kill herself in some bathtub, or lie motionless in a bed being a catatonic cunt. No, Rei rises above that and that's why she's the superior character. Gendo and NERV did their worst to Rei, calling her replaceable, killing her for nothing and then reviving her, and Rei still remained strong.
>>140895553
>multiple things that contradict themselves work just fine
Anon, you might just be retarded.
>>140895553
The manga is incompatible with the original.
>>140895490
>Yeah nah. Rei is fine but if Asuka becomes another Rei the show will lose its spark and become an emo borefest.
Already happened dude. The spinoffs all make Asuka more like Rei by either making Asuka more rational, some sort of angel/human hybrid, provide her with similar weaponry or aesthetics. Even the quintessential "Asuka Fan" doujin literally makes Asuka into a half-angel / angel, like Rei is.
The new Asuka is already much, much more popular than the original. Sadamoto and Anno are ALL on record commenting it.
Rei is such a great character that Asukafans can't control their jealousy, and then start to project Rei's strengths and cool attributes onto Asuka while projecting Asuka's weaknesses (such as being a doll) onto Rei.
Asuka fans really just want Rei in red, because they're that sort of shallow otaku.
>>140895434
>Gendo says she's useless and then to get rid of her first chance they get.
>INT. NERV HQ - COMMAND CENTER
Misato stands before Ikari and Fuyutsuki.
>MISATO: (Looking shocked) The Fifth Child…… really!?
>IKARI: Yes, the fifth candidate will be arriving shortly. Overwrite Second's personal data in Unit 02 with the Fifth's.
>MISATO: But, what about Asuka……?
>IKARI: We can't keep useless items lying around forever. Send her back to Germany when you have an opportunity. That is all.
>MISATO: ……
Pathetic.
>>140896040
Exactly, Asuka fans are so triggered and traumatized by the fact that Asuka is so inferior to the "Wonder Girl" Rei Ayanami, that they've launched an all out attack-parade on Rei, trying to pass of Rei as the useless doll rather than the canonically useless doll that was Asuka.
>Rei will never finger you so good that you lose your mind
>>140896202
it hurts
>>140895596
>No, Rei rises above that and that's why she's the superior character.
A successful character is nit the same as being superior.
Asuka is a weak girl yes, a mere human indeed but she refused and struggled to reject the notion of being purpouseless. She's aware she's a tool because literally have nothing else. Her mother sucide, her father doesn't exist physically. The only thing she had was being a pilit and placed all of her value on it trying to be the best. Not only she found herself fucked over and over again by a system she didn't really understood (strenght and confidence actually weaken an EVA pilot) but when she was rendered unable to pilot it became the ultimate failure to her. Asuka isn't some half-blood clone angel with special snowflake plot armor. She was just an ace pilot doing her best until getting wreck and discarded for another like it happens to evety other soldier. Rei is not a soldier, she's an experiment. Of course she have priority. At the end it was Asuka the one expendable. But even there, at the bottom of everything, with nothing and no one left she stepped up one last time, refusing to fall quietly. She went down fighting, doing the one thing she knows until the bitter end.
She may not be a pleasant person and maybe her strenght is a facade but her bravery is perhaps one of her few genuine traits.
Speaking as a Reifag, what the fuck even is this thread? What is the point?
>>140895822
>Tsundere Eye-Patch butch Asuka
>she's just like Rei
These really are some mental gymnastics.
>>140896241
>A successful character is nit the same as being superior.
Rei is both superior and more successful than Asuka. Hence the Asukafag butthurt.
>but she refused and struggled to reject the notion of being purpouseless. She's aware she's a tool because literally have nothing else.
[Citation needed]
Here's the CANON: Asuka never struggled or even figured out by herself that she was a tool. Asuka was a TRUE puppet, and everything in canon affirms that fact.
>She may not be a pleasant person and maybe her strenght is a facade but her bravery is perhaps one of her few genuine traits.
She isn't brave. Bravery requires you to do things that scare you an are difficult, Asuka never did that. Rei did, Shinji did, but Asuka only did what her NERV puppet masters bred her to do.
She only goes down fighting by coincidence, because she was being powered externally by EVA02, and she was taken care of by Misato and everyone else. Asuka could never get up from her bed without people physically lifting her out of it. She was a weak puppet to the end.
>>140896390
Says the one who literally avoided every point of comparison, including even actual picture proof: >>140895250
Asuka isn't a good character. She doesn't sell as well as Rei, she's not as strong as Rei in-series, and she's not a character that punches as hard as Rei emotionally
That's why Asukafans want Asuka to be more like Rei. They want some of the "kuudere" Rei is emitting, they want Rei's mystical and mysterious powers, they want Rei's ability to understand and reason, but they want it in a tsundere package.
They want the bandages, they want the eyepatch, they want the spear, they want Rei in tsundere redhead form. Because they only care about Asuka since they care about redheads and tsun tsun dere dere.
Asuka fans are almost wihtout execeptions dumb, shallow otaku whose opinions has more to do with their genitals than their brains or hearts.
>>140896379
Response to this thread: >>140887941
Asuka fans need to be reminded that Asuka is canonically shit.
>>140896241
>>140896604
also
>hurrdurr she's an ace pilot
Fucking moron. Being an ace pilot actually means you have seen combat action and downed a certain amount of enemies. Asuka was never, ever an ace in Evangelion.
She was never good, she was the factually worst of the Eva pilots and is the only one to actually fail at piloting it in the entire fucking series.
Asuka was again, just showing that she has literally no personality except the one template NERV provided for her, "the special pilot". No wonder she collapses into being just a semen-collection device in EoE when NERV decides to revoke her entire personality.
>Asuka isn't some half-blood clone angel with special snowflake plot armor.
Then why do all asukafags want her to be? I've read Re-Take, and Asuka fans actually pretend that's canon.
They're both cute stop fighting!
>>140896410
>Here's the CANON: Asuka never struggled or even figured out by herself that she was a tool. Asuka was a TRUE puppet, and everything in canon affirms that fact.
[Citation needed]
Asuka was on her own or with Kaji before landing on Misato's place. She socializes to kill time and focuses greatly on being a pilot. Is royally pissed at even the slightest shortcoming. Continually chastises Shinji for not dedicating his all to be a pilot (partly because she's butthurt a lazy fuck up like him can keep with her seemingly effortlessly). The list goes on. She's not a mindless drone. She worries and cares deeply for her role and it was finally revealed it was because she thinks she have nothing else. Being a pilot is the way Asuka reaffirms her existence.
>She isn't brave. Bravery requires you to do things that scare you an are difficult, Asuka never did that.
Guess what she did when she hit rock bottom? And even before that, what she did in the face on incredibly bad odds. Shinji became braver with time but most of the time he was lucky mommy answered his cries for help. Rei was determined but i don't know if i can call it brave to play your role on the table, i finally felt her bravery when she fought her programming and sacrificed herself to save Shinji. Her stint as Goddess u
is different. You rarely even need bravery is you're all powerfull.
Asuka sees fight she decudedly can't win and fiercely jummps into the fire to do what she can.
>>140896410
>Asuka could never get up from her bed without people physically lifting her out of it. She was a weak puppet to the end.
You know which other character fits that description? Shinji. Guess they have a lit more in common than people think. Also the pilots are always supported by NERV and Shinji gets extra support by 01 so your point is moot.
>>140897170
>[Citation needed]
NGE. See >>140895596
>She literally never, ever thinks that she's a tool, says that she's a tool, or even accepts that others imply that she's a tool until the end when she's already lost and she can't be a tool any more.
There is a complete absence of Asuka ever acknowledging anything like you said she did when she was still alive. You're going to have to show me some citations, the burden of proof is on YOU.
>The list goes on. She's not a mindless drone. She worries and cares deeply for her role
Stop. That's what makes her the mindless drone. Her role is to be NERV's puppet pilot, and the fact that Asuka is attached to that role to the point where it IS her entire personality, is what makes her a mindless drone.
A person with a personality doesn't need something else like a "role" to affirm their existence. They can think, act, and do, therefore they are. Asuka can't do that, which makes her just a flesh puppet for the old men at NERV.
That's what makes Rei great, and Asuka just a shitpuppet that people only like because they pretend the character is some moemoe abomination.
>You know which other character fits that description?
It only fits Asuka because only Asuka ever becomes bedridden. Sorry kid. Asuka is shit, and you're just denying it by now.
>Also the pilots are always supported by NERV and Shinji gets extra support by 01 so your point is moot.
He has less support, because he wasn't trained since he was three our four years old. Too bad.
>>140893999
I guess you could say she gets on their NERV's!
>>140897170
>>140897284
>asukafags having to make shit up because they can't defend Asuka
Brilliant. Shinji or Rei never get into the situation where they become entirely motionless and confined to a bed. They get hurt and end up in a hospital bed, but the wounds are physical and they black out from physical trauma. They need to be in that bed With Asuka, she just lies down because she has no personality.
This is an Asuka-only thing. Being a weak, pathetic fuck-puppet is the only thing unique to Asuka. You keep it for yourself, Shinji doesn't want none of it.
>b-but Asuka really understood that she was a tool all the time!
Then why did she never express that or think about it? She didn't know anything precisely because she never was anything more than a tool.
>>140897395
>the burden of proof is on YOU.
Yeah nah. You were the first blabbering about her chatacter flaws withiut proof.
>A person with a personality doesn't need something else like a "role" to affirm their existence.
Yes they do. Asuka thinks and acts for herself. Her achievements are only hers. That's why she's so rough and prideful. NERV is using her but in return she tries to use them to give herself a purpouse. U.fortunately for her that'snot how it works.
>That's what makes Rei great, and Asuka just a shitpuppet that people only like because they pretend the character is some moemoe abomination.
>moemoe abomination.
Are you starting to project Rei's flaws on Asuka?
>It only fits Asuka because only Asuka ever becomes bedridden.
>Somebody didn't watched the like four times Shinji hit the bed. Your shitposting is becoming transparent.
>Sorry kid. Asuka is shit, and you're just denying it by now.
More like you're running out of arguments and resorted to insults. I wonder if you ever watched the show or just got smitten with a Rei dakimakura.
>He has less support, because he wasn't trained since he was three our four years old. Too bad.
Which, surprise, surprise. Was the more effective way to produce a powerfull eva pilot precisely because he's a little dependant fag triggering his unit's maternal instincts more frequently. Asuka is a subversion, she's an independent pro pilot in a system where professionalism and confidence aren't worth a damn.
I bet you'll start insulting my ortography now.
>>140897395
>>140897546
Shinji never becomes bedridden the same way Asuka does, but in EoE he was so numb Misato literally had to drag him around like a ragdoll.
Being catatonic in a bed or being catatonic on the floor: a technical difference, at best.
>>140897942
>Yeah nah. You were the first blabbering about her chatacter flaws withiut proof.
The proof is that nowhere in Evangelion, Asuka ever expresses problems with being a tool or that she might be one. The proof is the absence. If you want to say otherwise, then the burden of proof is on you.
>Yes they do. Asuka thinks and acts for herself. Her achievements are only hers.
She thinks and acts accordingly to how NERV wants her to, that means she isn't thinking by herself. She doesn't have any achievements before she arrives, there's not even single scene showcasing any achievements she made prior to arriving.
>NERV is using her but in return she tries to use them to give herself a purpouse. U.fortunately for her that'snot how it works.
Which in other words, she doesn't have a personality, and she's just a puppet. She is bring puppeteered by NERV. They want her to only find purpose in using what they're providing her (an Eva, a position as a pilot), because that'll keep her loyal.
>It only fits Asuka because only Asuka ever becomes bedridden.
>Somebody didn't watched the like four times Shinji hit the bed. Your shitposting is becoming transparent.
>b-but Shinji ended up in the hospital too!
Because he was hurt physically, not just because he collapsed on the street for psychological reasons. Then he was never bedridden for longer than he needed to wake up.
>Which, surprise, surprise. Was the more effective way to produce a powerfull eva pilot precisely because he's a little dependant fag triggering his unit's maternal instincts more frequently. Asuka is a subversion, she's an independent pro pilot in a system where professionalism and confidence aren't worth a damn.
Except Shinji was never intended to be an EVA pilot. There goes your whole lousy interpretation.
Fact is: Asuka is shit. It's not an insult, it's just the facts. If you don't like it, you don't like Evangelion.
>>140898212
>Shinji never becomes bedridden the same way Asuka does
Exactly, he never does. Unlike Asuka, Shinji is at best mildly catatonic and only after going through much harder punishment than Asuka. He never becomes so bedridden that he lies still in a bed without even the ability to respond. Shinji choses to not respond, Asuka is completely lost mentally and can't do anything.
You couldn't even drag around Asuka, because her feet can't support her weight. Shinji's can.
Don't evne compare the two. Asuka is shit, and that you try to drag Shinji down in the mud just proves how unable you are to accept Evangelion. Why don't you go read fanfiction instead? Grownups want to talk Evangelion, not "Asukafan Doujin Evangelion".
>mfw kids discuss their inferior choices
>>140893999
All eva threads are just waifu battle's
>>140898212
>Shinji
>can walk, talk and otherwise function
>is however reluctant to do it, and wants to die
>prone to surrendering
>Asuka
>can't walk, talk or otherwise function
>is 100% catatonic
and that says it right there. Asuka can only lie still and be jerked off to while offering no resistance, as a comment on the Asuka fan otaku population abusing Asuka's character to get off. (Like you're doing now)
Im sure that if all asuka fans died overnight, the eva fanbase would be a more mature, intelligent and better community to participate in.
>>140894056
>so mad they made this thread
Loving
Every
Laugh
>>140897942
That's not how burden of proof works. You need to show where Asuka supposedly fought against NERV's indoctrination.But we both know she never did. Grow up and accept that Asuka is really a plot device.
>>140898504
I'm pretty sure if filenames kun and textwall kun killed themselves already these threads would improve a thousand fold.
>>140898569
>>140898652
>asukafag autist enters the thread
>he doesn't know mods flagged him
wut? Really cool new feature. BASED MODS
>>140898868
Cute photoshop.
>>140898715
>same rhetoric as you
>based muds!
You didn't even try.
>>140898868
Not like we couldnt tell anyway, but appreciated.
>>140899047
>replying to yourself
The prettiest
>>140898343
>>140898411
>both characters lost the ability to act
>both had to be dragged into action
>b-but it's totally different! Shinji is at least twenty percent less cathatonic!
Truly some next level autism, sasuga /a/.
>>140899410
>both characters lost the ability to act
Only Asuka lost the ability to act.
>both had to be dragged into action
No, only one had to be dragged into action because he refused. Asuka is at an even lower level, and can't even refuse doing anything. Not even if someone whips out their penis and masturbates on her.
Shinji > Asuka
Now and forever. Truly some next-level "Asukafag-Autist"-ism from you as usual.I can see you
This is awesome.
>>140898353
>>140899519
>only Asuka lost the ability to act
>Shinji totally didn't
Why should we even reply to you? Protip: That isn't me either and if you weren't new you'd know there's a boogeyman in place already
>>140899636
Forgot image
>>140899662
>only Asuka lost the ability to act
>Shinji totally didn't
That's what the canon NGE/EoE says. I'm sorry, but appears that Asuka really is fucking garbage. Asuka knows it by the end too, that's why she's lying there like a piece of shit.
>>140899684
This yamyam is almost as shitty as Rei.
>>140899739
>it's canon because *I* said so!
$imply Erick. Shinji is lying around too, having to be dragged by Misato. Now that's canon.
>>140899662
>asuka literally motionless
>shinji walks and talks
>rei walks and talks
There's a big difference. You can say Shinji lost hope, but Asuka is psychologically DESTROYED. Rei, being Rei, is doing relatively fine.
>>140899842
It's canon because it's in the movie. We can see Asuka lying down. Shinji doesn't lie down, he sits at most and then moves his feet otherwise, known as "walking".
It's funny, but over the course of the entire EoE movie, Asuka never takes a single step. Like, not even a wobble. She's just a tenga to be carried around and used whenever one pleases.
>>140899636
>>140899684
You've lost your mind anon
>>140899861
>Shinji
>walks
>being dragged by Misato is walking
>Rei has to have a whole new vessel before EoE even starys because Armisael pumped and dumped her
>>140893999
>Rei is a literal goddess
Perhaps that is why. She is TOO perfect. She is almost like a robot whereas, Asuka is a real live being,.
>>140899946
It's walking, and Asuka couldn't even get at Shinji's level even if she tried. You couldn't even drag Asuka, you'd have to physically lift her. They changed her into the plugsuit as if she were a baby. Wait, babies can move. Asuka can't.
wow asuka is shit!
>>140899944
Reifags are just that scared of Asukafags.
>>140899922
>being this upset
Rei was an onahole for the Gendong long before the events of episode 1 take place.
>muh not 1 step
She decomissions 9 MPs before they reanimate. Check and mate, faggot.
>>140899989
Rei isn't perfect, if she was NGE would have ended at episode one.
Rei is more like a live being because her character changes and acts like one, Asuka is a plot device following a script. Asuka is just boring to the more changing, introspective and thinking Rei.
>>140899956
>babby level existentialism makes Reifags think
Figures how they're special ed.
>>140899989
But it isn't walking, retard.
>>140894453
>Asuka is popular is because she's palatable to otaku.
Literally the opposite of the truth.
>>140900043
>asukafags making up shit
When people say Asuka was used as a masturbation device in EoE, that's canon.
>she decomissions 9 mp evas!
>they still work
Pick one.
>>140900129
>>140900118
You guys might have a point there. I still like Asuka more.
>>140900174
It's the truth. Hideaki Anno himself is the penultimate Otaku, and he says "he likes Asuka because she's cute". Sounds like Asuka is nothing more but feed for otaku.
No wonder he's so mad at Japan's people, normal people included for choosing Rei over Asuka.
>>140900129
Shinji was walking.
Why do these waifu faggotry wars exist? All the girls are suppose to be shit, it's like you guys missed the message of the show.
>>140895373
They share the soul of Lilith, Rei however, is a clone of Yui Ikari and quite expendable as far as Nerv is concerned.
>>140900174
Nah, it's literally the actual truth. Normal non-otaku look at ASuka and think "wow, what a cunt". Otaku look at her and think "wow, I wanna fuck that tsundere cunt".
>>140900228
>You guys might have a point there. I still like Asuka more.
That's fine, and I respect your opinion.
>>140900384
She really just needs good boning.
>>140900289
Rei isn't expendable at all. That's why they always prioritize Rei over the other pilots, because if they lose Rei, they lose their key to victory. They don't care about reviving Asuka if she dies, if she dies then they literally don't care and just get a new pilot. That's being expendable.
Also, Rei isn't a clone of Yui, she's Angel/Human. Crossbreeds != clones.
>>140900384
Asuka has a lot of famous celebrities as her fans, though. Like Sora Tokui.
>butthurt asukafag autist mad his anti-rei thread 404's
>comes here to show his buttmad
>>140900498
>>Like Sora Tokui
who?
>>140900259
He also says they like Rei because they don't like strong women.
The truth of course is that they're both terrific characters and because I don't have autism I can enjoy Rei for her subtle strength but very apparent weakness, and Asuka for her apparent strength but deep seeded weakness. They're both two sides of the same coin and both in my honest opinion are kind of shitty people that I could get along with.
The same goes for Misato, and my personal favorite Ritsuko.
>>140900498
Rei has even more famous celebrities as her fans, and FYI: Celebrities can be otaku too. Anno is also a celebrity, and he's the #1 Otaku.
>Sora Tokui
You mean this weeb-ass bitch? Yeah, totally not involved with anime/otakudom at all.
Rei has people like Motoo Fujiwara and Chiaki Kuriyama as hers, there's a long list of them.
>>140900691
How is she a weeb?
>>140900662
>He also says they like Rei because they don't like strong women.
Which doesn't make sense because Rei is one of the strongest girls in Evangelion, and much stronger than his favorite, Asuka. Plus we know this is false because no one likes Rei being weak, the weaker she gets, the madder and more upset fans get.
So you can play the middle of the road card if you want, something I used to do too. I still like both characters, but if you have any like for either of them, you wouldn't take it lightly that Asuka fans pretend Asuka is strong while she's weak, and that they pretend Rei is weak when she is a goddess of strength.
>>140900777
How is she not? Look at the picture.unless you mean she can't be weeb because she's japanese, but whatever. She's definitely into some otaku shit judging by the picture.
>>140900777
She dresses up as Asuka in public and tried to makeout with a cardboard cutout of Kaworu.
She calls herself an Asuka-otaku on twitter, for fuck's sake.
>>140900191
>hurrdur what are S2 engines and reanimation
>>140900831
>and tried to makeout with a cardboard cutout of Kaworu.
wow, so she's not only a total otaku, but a complete airhead as well? Funny how asuka otaku turn out to be airheads.
>>140900228
Read a post before replying.
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/QnHbTDL.jpg "latest[1].png")
>>140893999
Both of them are terrible, one is dead inside and the other is a spoiled bitch with mommy issues.
No wonder Shinji went for for patrician boypussy
>>140900859
>hurr durr what is Asuka being gangraped by the MP-Eva's not doing shit against them
oh, and by the way, while your bitch waifu got manhandled and thematically gangraped by big red-lipped brutes, Rei was kicking Gendo in his balls and ripping his heart out, reclaiming the strength that had been robbed from her.
>>140900905
Okay but shes better.
>>140900934
Reminder that Kaworu has a crush on Rei
>>140900934
There's fire in Rei still, but Asuka will always be a cunt.
Rei > Asuka even if both are broken people.
>>140900491
Reis are expendable, they're clones. That's what clones are. Rei knows this, it's why she's so keen to throw her life away, either by running into an angle with an N2 mine or getting deconstructed by a DNA rapist.
However, Rei is not expendable because her entire arch is about her stopping all of the excuses she makes for herself and declaring that she does matter and that she's not going to let people walk all over her.
Also your point about Asuka isn't true, her mother was integrated into the Eva, meaning only someone who's an angel like Kaworu could operate it.
>>140900384
I mean you can construct a narrative all you want but I could just do the same thing. Case and point Otaku favor Rei over Asuka.
>>140900997
She isn't better, but you like her more.
>>140900831
I don't consider some LAKfag worthy of being called an Asuka otaku.
>>140900957
>LE SEXUAL SEMANTICS MEME
Here's your you. Rei was gaped by Gendo, a tentacle monster and well, the entirety of humanity.
>>140900997
I know. I'm an Asukafag you daft cunt.
>>140898353
>>140899641
My brothers from another mother.
>>140901059
Bitch I just said she is better.
>>140901039
>I mean you can construct a narrative all you want but I could just do the same thing. Case and point Otaku favor Rei over Asuka.
You constructed a false narrative that fell in on itself. Here's your poor logic:
>Anno likes Asuka, that means otaku likes Rei more!
but then reality kicks in:
>Anno is the biggest otaku you'll probably ever hear of
>he likes asuka for a shallow reason like "she's cute"
and then you get butthurt and start talking about "constructing narratives". Why don't you act like an adult and own up to the fact that you just shat the ebd?
>>140900957
No Lilith was doing that. Rei was a vessel for Lilith. Asuka got an unlucky mass produced lance to the face and then all of the MP Evas came back to life, after her power cord had been cut.
>>140901007
What? How?
>>140901157
Don't even bother replying. It's an uber sour Reifag butthurt his toiletfu is a complete shit.
>>140901138
That's exactly what you're doing though. Look at older Newtype polls. Japan is infamous for their shit taste.
>>140901039
>Reis are expendable, they're clones.
There aren't any "Reis". Ritsuko explains to you in episode 23 that the clones aren't Rei, hence there are no Rei's.
>That's what clones are.
Clones are just people born through cloning, a process that by the way occurs in nature. They aren't replaceable by nature, it's murder regardless.
>Rei knows this, it's why she's so keen to throw her life away, either by running into an angle with an N2 mine or getting deconstructed by a DNA rapist.
Rei knows she can be resurrected and reincarnated, replaced as it were - her entire body that dies.
>However, Rei is not expendable because her entire arch is about her stopping all of the excuses she makes for herself and declaring that she does matter and that she's not going to let people walk all over her.
Rei doesn't make any excuses for herself. It's a fact that she can die and come back. It's a fact she exploits. Rei is a realist, not an escapist like Asuka.
>Also your point about Asuka isn't true, her mother was integrated into the Eva, meaning only someone who's an angel like Kaworu could operate it.
Then how did Asuka operate it prior? It's Asuka's failure, and Rei points out why. The Evangelion isn't a puppet, and she needs to open herself to it. That's why Rei wins and Asuka loses.
Asuka is expendable and they dumped her once she started sucking at piloting. They brought Rei back from the dead because they NEED Rei. They don't need Asuka.
>>140901157
>No Lilith was doing that. Rei was a vessel for Lilith
That's the thing we call Rei.
>>140901318
REI
BTFO
>>140901138
Anno is a grown man with a productive life and a lot of money he prefers Asuka not Rei, and he thinks the reason people prefer Rei over Misator and Asuka is because they like weaker women.
Your narrative hinges on the idea that Anno is Otakus Rexus and that his opinion is the prime mode of all Otaku. When this is not the case and proving it to be is an up hill battle for you. The story is about him ceasing to be an insecure coward and in the end he chooses Asuka because she's one of the only people that challenged him.
>>140901157
>No Lilith was doing that. Rei was a vessel for Lilith.
Rei IS Lilith. If Lilith is doing it, that's the same as saying Rei is doing it.
>Asuka got an unlucky mass produced lance to the face and then all of the MP Evas came back to life, after her power cord had been cut.
They could have just thrown it in the beginning, or hell, just flown over her until her batteries ran out. This is all true. They could have done that, but played with Asuka. Tsurumaki refers to the scene as a "rape scene".
This makes Asuka fans so butthurt that Asukafags like this guy: >>140901240
go ballistic.
>>140901375
I gurantee some butthurt Reifag will reply to that post.
>>140893999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKqGw1ODD-E
>>140901294
>no argument
Calling Japan's taste "shit" just because you're mad they and everyone else likes Rei more than Asuka, is just poor form. You're mad, irrational, and you can't deal with it just like Anno couldn't. Because you're both weirdo otaku who can't deal with reality.
>>140901420
>I'm going to explicitly use sexual innuendos to piss you off!
>HAHA LOOK AT HIM GO BALLISTIC!
>Tsurumaki backs me up in a one-of comment!
Reifags are puerile shitters who should be mulched.
>>140901417
>he chooses Asuka
By trying to murder her in cold blood?
>>140901421
>someone will reply to something on an image board
We've got a Nostradamus over here.
>>140901481
see>>140901318
Thankfully Japan has corrected it to some degree. Though it's unclear if it's regerring to Asuka in general or Shikinami. The inclusion of Mari in the poll isn't enough to say.
>>140901417
>Anno is a grown man with a productive life and a lot of money he prefers Asuka not Rei, and he thinks the reason people prefer Rei over Misator and Asuka is because they like weaker women.
He is also an otaku. Being an otaku does not preclude having a job, despite that you might not have one.
>Your narrative hinges on the idea that Anno is Otakus Rexus and that his opinion is the prime mode of all Otaku.
No, it doesn't. I said Asuka is palatable to otaku, which is true based on the fact that there is enormous otaku activity surrounding the character, from doujins, fanart and fanfiction. You tried to disprove that by pointing out that Anno likes Asuka.
Your narrative got demolished here: >>140901138
when the facts come to the table, that Anno is an otaku and therefore that Anno likes Asuka more than Rei only gives my argument more weight.
>When this is not the case and proving it to be is an up hill battle for you. The story is about him ceasing to be an insecure coward and in the end he chooses Asuka because she's one of the only people that challenged him.
>fictional characters challenges Anno
He wrote the character to be what he wanted, and he still thinks it's "cute". Your argument is demolished.
>>140901572
Actually given the source I don't know.
>>140901572
Is that even a Japanese poll? It seems to be just a shitty social network european site.
>>140901240
Nah Rei is a cool girl, I wish Asuka, Shinji, and Rei were closer, maybe they could have figured something out and saved the world but Rei was too closed off about her ordeal and Asuka wasn't making it easy (still the whole "we'll be friends if I'm ordered to thing didn't help on Rei's part).
>>140901328
By my philosophy Lilith is a being separate form the character we know as Rei, Rei was the soul of Lilith, combined with the body of Yui. The separate experiences and relationships formed by this entity is what makes Rei, Rei imo.
>>140901572
Corrected it? That's something from some russian fansite, and it includes everything.
Lo and behold faggot. This is the most recent poll from newtype including NGE. Japan dislikes the original Asuka and prefers Shikinami, since Asuka is even lower on the list now than before. Asuka is shit and everyone knows it, even Asukafags, so they prefer Shikinami.
>>140901581
>Still having this cap
How can a Reifag be so upset? Fireposter is and will always be an urban legend.
>>140901699
Shinji getting rekt by seasonal faggots like Kirito proves Japan's shit taste
>>140901717
There's only one fireposter and it's you, samefagging faggot.
>>140901691
>By my philosophy Lilith is a being separate form the character we know as Re
Going to butt in here: your philosophy isn't canonical to Evangelion nor is it anything you can use to argue.
You either accept that Rei is Lilith, or you don't discuss with the rest of us at all. Otherwise, it's my philosophy that Asuka gets fucked by 12 niggers every day before school. I can insert dumb stuff and call it "philosophy" too.Besides, your philosphy is denied by what Rei says herself. If Rei can change, then it's clear that Lilith can also change into becoming someone who identifies themselves as Rei. This is what happened. Time passed, Rei met new people (was brainwashed), and thought of herself as Rei. It took courage to accept her true self.
>>140901672
That's why I posted >>140901631
>>140901699
See>>140901631
Fuck you shitmunching retard. Prefering Shikinami is just rammifying my previous point to a degree.
>>140901771
It's because Shinji has become a fujobait character over the past few years.
>>140893999
Misato is my favorite
>>140901818
Firepostee and thenassociated mythos around such an entity is a pet project constructed by Reifags as an excuse to dismiss any Asukafag argument at whim. A poor attempt at mimicking the legitimate disenfranchisement of textwall kun, later happening again with filenames kun, the infamous tranny meme shitter.
>>140901831
Not really, it shows that Asukafans are more excited about Shikinami.
We all know the truth. Asuka is garbage. Rei is amazing. This is why Asukafans love Shikinami, because Shikinami isn't as garbage as Asuka. They rejected and abandoned the true Asuka like the cumrag she was in EoE.
They really wanted Rei Ayanami, and so they try to remake Asuka in her image. Truly, Rei is God.
>>140901621
>>140901621
>No, it doesn't. I said Asuka is palatable to otaku, which is true based on the fact that there is enormous otaku activity surrounding the character, from doujins, fanart and fanfiction. You tried to disprove that by pointing out that Anno likes Asuka.
>No, it doesn't. I said Rei is palatable to otaku, which is true based on the fact that there is enormous otaku activity surrounding the character, from doujins, fanart and fanfiction.
The goal posts keep on rolling on. So then is Rei not palatable to Otaku. Because the fact remains that Anno finds that the people who like Rei don't like stronger women.
It looks like your narrative is the one which has been "demolished."
>>140901818
Why reply to it? The fireposting asukafag autist has no sense of reasonability whatsoever.
>>140901882
He's too ugly to appeal to fujos
So it's official.
Asuka is best girl and Rei isn't
Rei best eva and a literal angel.
>>140901831
Not saying that liking Shikinami is indicative of shit taste either. It's not as if this poll has NGE Rei or Asuka so even fans of thenlm then would vote for their contemporary counterparts. I know I would.
>>140901951
See above.
>>140902002
Nice. Replying to yourself. A valid tactic.
>>140901932
You are the fireposter. You got banned last year for spamming fire. There is no myth, there is no boogeyman. There's just you, a deranged Asukafag autist.
>>140901977
Now here's why I'm reasonable and you're a butthurt faggot: Rei is obviously palatable to otaku. Anyone who denies that is an obvious retard.
My "narrative" as you call it (truth is what everyone else calls it) never said Rei wasn't attractive to otaku. I merely said that the biggest reason Asuka is popular, is because she's attractive to otaku.
So when you brought up Anno as an example of that not being true (and here we're letting it slide that one example isn't enough to prove anything), you obviously collapsed and demolished your own argument because there's hardly a bigger otaku than Anno.
So there we go, you lose. That's what you get for being an irrational dunce.
>>140902129
Multiple posters have agreed that the event you speak of served as the catalyst in the formation of your tall-tale.
>>140902047
The Newtype poll explicitly indicates that it's the NGE Rei/Asuka/Shinji/Kaworu versions. The russian poll includes everything, and isn't specific.
Here's what happen when you use Rebuild Rei and Rebuild Asuka. Same magazine. Looks like Asuka fans don't like the original Asuka at all.
>>140902193
Multiple posters? More like you samefagging and resetting your router, fireposter.
>>140901827
>>140901827
You should watch Akira it would give you a better perspective on the idea being communicated
Also
>Going to butt in here: your philosophy isn't canonical to Evangelion nor is it anything you can use to argue.
>You either accept that Rei is Lilith, or you don't discuss with the rest of us at all. Otherwise, it's my philosophy that Asuka gets fucked by 12 niggers every day before school. I can insert dumb stuff and call it "philosophy" too.
Dude come on "Asuka gets fucked by 12 niggers" is not a philosophy.
Nothing like the smell of Asukafags getting BTFO.
Rei is more liked by the general audience, the normies and the people who aren't likely to read twenty fanfics/year about their "fave". That doesn't exclude otaku and people who do, because lord knows there are many Rei fics out there.
>>140902432
>Rei only in 8th place
Pathetic.
>>140902261
I'm saying that fans of the original, diehard ones, will vote for Asula now, even if it's just Rebuild specific. Furthermore the two datasets are dodgy to compare given the time passed since then and now and other points to note as one example goven above. Take a class in statistics or somethung because you love to repost these as some gospel truth when in reality ad populum nullifies your whole point
>>140902513
Looks like someone is butthurt their favorite doens't rank.
>>140902398
>Dude come on "Asuka gets fucked by 12 niggers" is not a philosophy.
Neither is "I don't want to accept arbitrary fact in a story". If anything mine is more valid than yours, because the MP-series rape of Asuka can be interpreted as such, and Tsurumaki referred to it as a rape scene.
So look, it really does work like this:
In the beginning, there was Lilith. From Lilith, came man. Then man created their own humans, who they inserted Lilith soul into. This was Rei Ayanami. Rei Ayanami in the final stage returns to Lilith, and passes judgement after her experiences.
>>140902432
>normies
Fuck off normalfag. See bottom of >>140902559
>>>/r9k/
>>140902637
You only want to interpret it as such because "LMAO TRIGGERING ASUKAFAGS"
Pretty fucking pathetic honestly. Evageeks-tier grasping at straws.
>>140902559
They will vote for Asuka now even if it is Rebuild specific because they actually like the new REbuild version than the original. This is why you see more art of the original Rei being produced, while new art of Asuka is exclusively Rebuild.
>Furthermore the two datasets are dodgy to compare given the time passed since then and now and other points to note as one example goven above. Take a class in statistics or somethung because you love to repost these as some gospel truth when in reality ad populum nullifies your whole point
Really weak comeback. You know, I'll throw in another dataset for you. I had statistics ten years ago, and it hasn't changed much. I know that my several datasets is far, far superior to your own rationalization when it comes to judging what's fact or not.
>>140902670
Just proving my point there, and no, I'm not setting one foot into r9k.
>>140901827
How do you expect to have any kind of discussion with people when you're so all over the place. Also I think you're able to address his idea but only after saying the two very silly things before it. The truth is it is definitely a point of contention whether Rei and Lilith are in fact the same person, whether Rei becoming Lilith is the literal Death of Rei and Rebirth into Lilith or Rei is simultaneously the God that is Lilith. It's a classic Gnostic vs Catholic debate and perhaps that is what he means by philosophy.
You can't go on pretending that the show has a canonical philosophy though, that's literally impossible.
>>140902752
I don't really care about interpreting at all, I'm just making a point that it's exactly as valid an interpretation if not even more than the anon who simply wants to disregard something factual from the series because "of his philosophy".
Then again, you're just butthurt that the guy who directed the scene thinks of it as a rape scene. He's an Asuka fan as well, so I guess Asuka fans are just cucks.
>>140902561
Asuka ranks 22nd place, only 2 places after Shinji. Doesn't that prove she's NOT Otakubait? Or else she wouldn't be on the normie list at all.
>>140902849
If they weren't Lilith would pay no mind to Shinji.
>>140902810
>datasets is
Get a grasp on basic grammar before using an English imageboard.
>exclusively
Wrong. I browse pixiv daily. It isn't all Shikinami.
>my datasets are superior because I totally took a class, meanwhile I won't address the flaws you pointed out and just call it weak, effectively reducing my argument to an adhom here
Okay then. I see you've raised your white flag.
>>140902810
What year is this poll from? Asuka isn't even ranked but Kaworu is higher than Shinji?
>>140902849
There isn't any point of contention. Rei is Lilith, this is the canon, even explicitly made clear in the glossaries to EoE and NGE that come from the writers themselves. It's clear in the series how it works as well, transfer of the soul.
You can have a philosophical debate for it, but it's a debate that's irrelevant to this debate. Because the original point of contention was that Rei was a vessel for Lilith, when she in fact was Lilith herself.
>>140902870
>le cuck yamyam
Ah. I see you just blew in from 8ch. You can go back there, memechild. This is an 18+ imageboard.
>muh valid interpretation
And Matt Memefield believes Asuka had morning sickness. It doesn't mean shit if you're closely associated with working on Eva or not if you spout bullshit that stretches the line.
>>140902934
Shinji literally had the whole world in his hands, that and instrumentality works differently for every one. More importantly though I don't think that makes Rei, Lilith, but it could prove that Lilith remembers her life as Rei.
>>140902984
2012.
It's common to say that Rei has suffered a popularity drop, but the same is true for Shinji. Shinji has completely lost the like and respect from the male audience because he is just a shipping-tool for Kaworu in modern Evangelion. Rei was always much, much more popular than Shinji even though Shinji is at the top of his class, so the effects are more apparent on him.
>>140902891
It proves that she is more otakubait than Rei, and ranking that low doesn't show very much. Especially considering how much positive PR Asuka has been getting, and all the negative PR Rei has been the target of.
>>140903129
Ah yes, there's the ol' "Anno is out to get muh Rei" conspiracy.
>>140903107
>Lilith remembers her life as Rei.
What you are saying is that at best she changed her name.
>>140903129
>It proves that she is more otakubait than Rei, and ranking that low doesn't show very much.
No it doesn't, because Shinji ranks in 20th. Only two places before her. To say it proves she's otakubait would claim Shinji is otakubait too.
>>140902970
>>140903099
Matt (?) didn't work on Evangelion. Tsurumaki literally created the scene, and he refers to it as rape. Sorry if it rustles your fireposting jeans.
also
>hurrdourr u shud take a statistic class
>point out that I did take one
>get shit for that as well
You're just hysterically butthurt at this point.
The facts speak for themselves. Asuka "fans" dropped Asuka for Shikinami, because deep inside their hearts (even you) they know Asuka is garbage.
>>140903010
Rei is definitely without a doubt and 100% never stated to BE Lilith. That giant head back there that is Lilith. I would contend that my interpretation is more canonical than yours.
>>140903226
Since when was Shinji popular with normal people again? They seem to hate him. Then why are you dragging in Shinji, as if he had any bearing on whether or not Asuka was otaku bait?
Just face the music already. Asuka is far more otakubait than Rei is.
>>140903129
If it's from 2012 then how come Asuka isn't on it at all?
>>140903248
>still not addressing my points
>but HE CREATED
And Anno created Evangelion effectively, does that mean we should take his word as the osepl truth in everything as well? Which would mean that, yes, Rei ended at Ep6.
>>140903316
It's shown, and stated in the NGE glossaries. It says that Lilith's body was without a soul, and that Rei was Lilith.
When Rei returns to Lilith in NGE, she exclaims that "she's home". Shortly after, Lilith transforms into Rei. The person who communicates with Shinji and everyone else, is also pictured as Rei.
The point is clear, Rei is who Lilith identifies as now, and she changes her shape accordingly.
It's also shown that they have the connection since episode 1, with the ghost Rei appearing, and not only that, it's made clear that the "rei clones" don't have souls and thus aren't Rei either. It's never said that Lilith isn't Rei either, for the opposite type of proof.
>>140903218
Lilith might contain Rei but that doesn't mean that Rei and Lilith are interchangeable. Like the Phoenix from X-Men. Lilith is a Godlike amalgam of the collective consciousness of humanity, Rei is not.
>>140903248
>firepost
There's that meme again.
>>140903346
Gee, I guess someone isn't really that popular. She ranks too low.
>>140903364
All of your points were addressed, fireposter. I'm just saying that you're angry that the director interprets the scene as Asuka being raped by twelve men. Your angry posts just prove me right.
>>140898353
this nigga knows how to appreciate a woman
>>140902984
It's not the first time Kaworu beat Shinji in polls.
>アニメージュ月間投票
>1996年7月 レイ1位（931票） カヲル2位 アスカ3位 シンジ4位
>1996年8月 レイ1位 アスカ3位 カヲル4位 シンジ6位
>1996年9月 レイ1位 アスカ4位 カヲル5位 シンジ6位
And when Eva hype starting dying down nearing the 2000s, Shinji didn't even rank at all.
>1998年9月 レイ8位 アスカ19位 カヲル30位
>1998年10月 レイ8位 アスカ24位
>1998年11月 レイ14位 カヲル28位
>1998年12月 レイ11位 アスカ28位
His character is more iconic and recognizable than it is popular. Rei achieves all three which is why she always ranks the highest.
>>140902183
So your point is that Rei and Asuka are palatable to Otaku and mine is, and has consistently been, that Rei is attractive to people who prefer women who are more demure and meek.
>>140903473
>>140903316
Here you go.
Lilith was there first, and her soul was inserted into the human/angel body that was made in the attempts to recover Yui Ikari from EVA01. The attempts to recover Yui obviously failed, but the bodies were made. Now, it's stated in episode 23 that the bodies (Rei-clones) have no souls, and that they aren't alive or human - but spare parts. It's also said that these bodies are NOT Rei Ayanami.
Well, how does Rei Ayanami even exist then? The answer is that Gendo took the soul of Lilith, and inserted it into one of these soulless bodies, creating a live human/angel being.
This makes Rei Ayanami effectively Lilith. Just like when Shinji and everyone else loses their body and has their soul removed and come back as the same character, so is Lilith also still herself, only now going by the name of Rei Ayanami.
It sparks an interesting debate of what makes us on the existential level, is it our memories (which Rei has lost), or is it something like a soul? Is it merely a continuation of perception and existence? It's dubbed "the hard problem" by scientists because of it's difficulty to approach.
But to get back to the point, this is why Kaworu says that "they both ended up in human form while on this planet" in episode 24. It's why Rei announces the return of herself to Lilith as a "homecoming", and it's why Rei is at all able to return to her formed body. It also explains the various juxtapositions between them in the anime.and if you want to cheat, just read the facts in the EoE factbook they released with EoE or play NGE2 where it's said multiple times.
>>140903469
Lilith came home after discarding Rei, Rei is a vessel for the incomplete being of Lilith.
>>140903529
>adhom is now addressing
Epin kid.
>>140903853
So you took a chart made by Reifags and are pretending it's proof.
>>140903825
No, my point is that Asuka is popular largely because of otaku attention. This explains many things like for instance, there is more hentai produced of Asuka despite the fact that Rei is more popular.
Market rules would dictate that Rei's popularity would create more porn, but there isn't as big a market for this sort of escapism since there's less otaku in the Rei camp than in the Asuka camp.
>>140894998
she got a cock-tail alright, asuka wishes for one too
>>140903882
That's nonsense, it's not even Lilith who says she's home, unless you mean Lilith is Rei, which is what I'm saying, and thus you lose the argument anyway. Dumbass faggot.
>>140903882
What? Are you implying Rei is the body only?
>>140903967
I wrote a post explaining everything, and included a very good chart that explains it to you with nice pictures and arrows.
You posted something passive-aggressive in return like the coward you are.
>>140903970
>muh more hentai argument
I really should have capped the one way an anon utterly broke this down.
>>140904063
He's retarded, much like our "friend" the asukfag fireposter autist: >>140904083
>>140904152
Why are Reifags so scared of this alleged firepost guy?
>>140904182
>fireposter trying to be cute
Try suicide anon. Your waifu Asuka thought it was the right thing to do.
Shinji and Rei will always be "The Stars" of Evangelion.
>>140904233
What? No need for the hostility, Reishitter.
>>140903790
>>140902984
I don't see Kaworu in this one. If he's there, I missed it, so check for me if is he is.
Perhaps time is starting to heal the wounds and injustices brought on by Anno's 3.33, and Anno's neglect of Shinji and Rei in general.
>>140903853
>that pic
But Rei Q has hints of knowing there's something strange about her existence.
Also Kaworu says her soul is somewhere else, implying she's still connected to the Rei soul.
>>140904572
>But Rei Q has hints of knowing there's something strange about her existence.
So?
>Also Kaworu says her soul is somewhere else, implying she's still connected to the Rei soul.
So?
Still makes for a weakass shit character.
>>140900831
>Asuka-otaku
>Kaworu crush
Does she has Kaworu clone gang rape fantasies?
>>140904570
This poll is from around 2013, it just means Kaworu has gotten less popular over time.
>>140904677
You sure? It says 2014 for me.
>>140904730
I saw Free! and Nagi no Asukara so I assumed it was 2013, sorry
>>140904651
>So?
That the theory doesn't seem to hold up and the Ayanamis are still linked together.
It's just how Rei would be after another 14 years of complete isolation and an even more fucked up situation.
>>140904670
She self identifies as Asuka and therefore wants to fuck a smug boy like Kaji and Kaworu. Makes sense to me.
>>140904773
Looks like you misunderstood the whole charts. The "Ayanami's" aren't linked together in the original. They're spare parts. Rei Q was an impossible existence in NGE, but not in Rebuild.
>It's just how Rei would be after another 14 years of complete isolation and an even more fucked up situation.
lol no
>>140904773
The chart is making a point that the Rei clones aren't linked with Rei. That's you know, pounded into your skull if you actually watch Evangelion. The clones were just things floating in a tank, dead.
Now Rei Q on the other hand, is clearly lucid and conscious, even if she's fucking retarded and all that. The actual Rei is somewhere else, inside EVA01, and therefore there's no connection between them as characters.
>>140904570
The Rei and Shinji in that poll are from Shingekijouban (the Rebuild movies), and Asuka and Kaworu are not.
Whereas in the poll from 2015 the NGE Asuka and Kaworu are ranked: >>140901699
So the NGE versions of Asuka and Kaworu are more popular than their Rebuild versions, which seems to be the opposite of what you're arguing.
>>140904670
Grammar sidebar: Reading my post 'does she has' doesn't sound right, but 'does she have' doesn't convince me either.
>>140904670
More butthurt than Rei after getting railed by Armisael.
>>140904980
They should be flipped but amazing that Megumi gets two out of the top 5
>>140905020
>Armisael
Rei turned that attempted mind-rape into a murder. more that your doll can say.
>>140904973
>>140904886
So it's a matter of no 2 Reis at once?
I'm not saying all the clones are linked. I'm saying they did something to Q specifically that she shares a soul with the original.
>>140904980
Two different magazines with entirely different voting mechanisms, not to mention entirely different ranges of applicable characters. Newtype only allows votes for current characters.
Perhaps interestingly enough, they dropped Q completely.
>>140905151
>I'm saying they did something to Q specifically that she shares a soul with the original.
this is wrong, they specifically say she doesn't share a soul with the original, it's what makes her different from Rei III despite superficially occupying similar circumstances.
>>140905151
I'm saying it doesn't matter, because Rei Q is just a "fuck you" to Rei's character. She's going to be linked to Rei in one way or another, but only because they want to sabotage it.
>>140905282
She's different from Rei III because Anno and Tsurumaki want to ruin Rei's character by chopping it into several lesser pieces.
>>140905276
>Newtype only allows votes for current characters.
No it doesn't, or else we wouldn't see Lelouch and Kira on so many of them.
The point is that you argued Rebuild made Asuka more popular, when it actually did the opposite.
NGE Asuka is more popular than Rebuild Asuka, the latter doesn't even rank on most of these polls.
And look at the gaps in the 90s polls. Asuka is right behind Rei and Shinji and Kaworu occasionally switch places. There's a far bigger gap now with Rebuild, it has made Rei and Shinji more appealing to the average audience.
>>140905282
>they specifically say she doesn't share a soul with the original
I really don't remember this. Who does?
>>140905334
It's relevant to the rebuilds even if you don't care what the author is going for.
>>140904980
Animedia doesn't have any rules when they're referring to characters. Newtype does, and only currently airing anime or one's being released are allowed to vote. NGE is there in 2015 because the Blu-Rays were being released. While Animedia prints "Shin Gekijoban", it's more of a general poll, where there are no restrictions. Hence it runs every single year with every character from the giant anime pool available.
>>140905147
More like she had no chance but to let Armisael impregnate her and then she aborted the both of them like some white trash home grown solution.
>>140905477
>Newtype does, and only currently airing anime or one's being released are allowed to vote.
No it doesn't, or else we wouldn't see Lelouch and Kira on so many of them.
Whatever poll you look at, you see the general trend that whatever Asuka places in now is much lower than what she placed in NGE era.
>>140905436
>No it doesn't, or else we wouldn't see Lelouch and Kira on so many of them.
There's always something being released for these, but Newtype doesn't follow that rule completely, considering that they did like I say leave out Q from the poll.
>The point is that you argued Rebuild made Asuka more popular, when it actually did the opposite.
>NGE Asuka is more popular than Rebuild Asuka, the latter doesn't even rank on most of these polls.
Look at >>140902261
from the same magazine. It didn't do the opposite, because Hideaki himself has commented on it, and also Sadamoto in Cut #14.
Even in the 90's, where Asuka is varies. Look at the difference between your poll and this one: >>140905436
>>140905477
the one thing they have in common is that Rei > Asuka.
It's not really up for debate, as Anno/Sadamoto are on record discussing it.
>>140905537
Asuka is white and she is trash, so she's the only white trash there is. she's also the one likely to have abortions seeing as she wants to get dicked but doesn't want children.
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>>140905613
>No it doesn't, or else we wouldn't see Lelouch and Kira on so many of them.
I don't see any problem here.
Kira disappeared entirely when there wasn't anything being released. DVD's, BD's etc... are being released for SEED often and continuously. There's a lot of stuff to release, it's a long show with much material to go by. Even movies.
>Whatever poll you look at, you see the general trend that whatever Asuka places in now is much lower than what she placed in NGE era.
No? Look at >>140902261
>>140905677
>being this butthurt Rei "Meat Toilet" Ayanami gets off on tentacle dick
One could say Naoko performed a late abortion.
>>140905675
>There's always something being released for these
There isn't. Unless you count pachinko and crap, but Eva gets that as well and we don't see their characters on every poll.
>they did like I say leave out Q from the poll
Citation on this? Where does it imply that?
> It didn't do the opposite
It did, because look at how she doesn't even rank on the newest polls you posted.
Anno's comments don't mean anything, just like you claim his comments on Rei don't mean anything.
Hello, Reddit!
>>140905757
>Kira disappeared entirely when there wasn't anything being released
Not at all. He was showing up on polls last year and nothing had come out. Same deal for Lelouch.
Plus Eva gets new material released every month and we don't see the characters on polls.
see >>140905887
>>140905930
Reifags really are Reddit incarnate.
>>140905887
>There isn't. Unless you count pachinko and crap, but Eva gets that as well and we don't see their characters on every poll.
There is. Blu-Rays, DVD's, manga, anime, there's far more coming out from the Gundam franchise than Evangelion. Gundam is a much, much more diverse and prolific franchise than Evangelion.
There hasn't been any releases except the 2015 release for well over a decade as far as NGE is concerned. That's why you don't see them there.
>Citation on this? Where does it imply that?
The citation is no option to vote any characters from Q in during the cinema release or the blu-ray/dvd-release.
>It did, because look at how she doesn't even rank on the newest polls you posted.
>Anno's comments don't mean anything, just like you claim his comments on Rei don't mean anything.
His comments on Rei means a lot, so I don't know what you're talking about. Asuka doesn't rank in those different polls because it's a different polls following different rules. See the poll from the same magazine, she ranks there.
>>140905441
Took me a while to find a script, both Misato and Fuyutsuki do:
00:31:02 {Misato} We are Wille, an organization dedicated to Nerv's annihilation.
00:31:07 {Shinji} That's...
00:31:09 {Shinji} But wait, Ayanami's piloting it!
00:31:12 {Misato} It's not her!
00:31:13 {Misato} Rei's no more, Shinji-kun.
00:31:15 {Shinji} Liar!
00:31:16 {Shinji} I mean, she's right there, isn't she?!
00:31:18 {Shinji} Misato-san, you're clueless!
00:31:20 {Shinji} I'm done here!
00:57:03 {Fuyutsuki} The Ayanami Rei you know is one of Yui-kun's clones.
00:57:08 {Fuyutsuki} She is preserved within Eva-01, the same as your mother.
00:57:13 {Fuyutsuki} It is all part of Ikari's plan.
>>140905964
>Not at all. He was showing up on polls last year and nothing had come out. Same deal for Lelouch.
Except things had come out. The moment when something was out, even if it's just a tiny re-release, he appears. Kira and Lelouche are absent when they aren't present in any new release or old release.
They are meme-tier vote-ins anyway at this point. They're probably working hard to include them for "fun".
>Plus Eva gets new material released every month and we don't see the characters on polls.
No blu-rays or DVD's, the exception being the one in 2015. Q was left out, but 1.0 and 2.0 wasn't.
>>140905830
Only one who tried to get a post birth abortion is Kyoko. Sadly like everything the Sohryus attempt to do she failed.
>>140906075
I'll question Misato's knowledge on souls, but I can't say much since we don't know how much she knows.
And I have to wonder if Fuyutsuki wouldn't be saying the same about Rei III.
>>140905887
See
>川上量生さんの著書『コンテンツの秘密 ぼくがジブリで考えたこと』の中で、エヴァンゲリオンの“綾波レイ”と“アスカ”の魅力に関する疑問、それに対する庵野秀明監督の回答が紹介されていました。
>川上さんは、TV版「新世紀エヴァンゲリオン」の時には“綾波レイ”の方が圧倒的に魅力があると感じていたそうですが、最近の「ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版」になると“アスカ”のほうが魅力的に見えるようになったそうです。
Basically it's discussion among the creators with Anno that Asuka has gotten more popular.
Here's a citation from Sadamoto:
>「それに、ぼくは苦手ですけど、S的な女の子にいじられたいという人も多くて（笑）。そんなに魅力的かなあと思いながら、アスカ人気が盛り上がっていくのを見てましたけど」
Where he says that changing Asuka's character has led to more popularity.
>>140905441
>It's relevant to the rebuilds even if you don't care what the author is going for.
>rebuilds
So? The only thing that's relevant at all is that it's supposed to shit on the character instead of being faithful or improving upon it.
>>140906362
They got enough knowledge on souls to get Shinji back, and look for the original Rei.:
00:28:23 {Shinji} Misato-san, where's Ayanami?!
00:28:26 {Shinji} Tell me, please!
00:28:27 {Misato} Shinji-kun, Ayanami Rei doesn't exist anymore.
00:28:31 {Shinji} No way! I saved her, I know I did!
00:28:34 {Shinji} She must still be in Eva-01's plug!
00:28:37 {Shinji} Please look for her!
00:28:38 {Ritsuko} We already searched the inside of Eva-01 thoroughly.
00:28:42 {Ritsuko} All we found was you, and...
00:28:45 {Ritsuko} For some reason, this was restored.
00:28:48 {Ritsuko} The inspection yielded no problems, so you can have it back.
00:28:52 {Shinji} My father's...
00:28:55 {Shinji} Ayanami was holding it then.
00:28:58 {Shinji} So I *must* have saved her.
00:29:01 {Shinji} What's that?!
They also know about the Ayanami series, I'm guessing because they been fighting them off for a while:
01:29:58 {Asuka} You're the pilot from before.
01:30:02 {Asuka} From an early lot of Ayanami types, are you?
But feel free to ignore evidence
>>140906287
Naoko did the right thing.
