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I hope Luffy actually fights Big Mom. I know he said he wouldn't but still...
>>139471636
Seem unlikely they'll have a complete death battle, there's the possible vivre card, Sanji being a fantastic chef, and perhaps oddities with the fishmen pirates still being in her crew or some such.
I can't read or watch any story anymore involving revolt or oppression without thinking about Dragon.
>>139471529
YEAR OF BROOK
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BEST SKELLY
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SAPU FAGS EPIC BTFO
>>139471529
Let's start this
>Jack
How did the idea that the elephant might fight back never occur to them?
Or hell, just making a sudden turn and walking into them would probably be enough to sink most ships.
>>139471945
i believe jack would have done the same thing even if he knew the elephant would fight back
>>139471945
It's very simple. Jack is a complete imbecille.
What does Kalifa's toe taste like?
>>139471999
Correction, most people in One Piece are complete imbeciles.Honestly the pure retardation is part of the appeal for me. also nice trips.
>>139472015
soap i guess
what should it taste like?
>>139472015
soap
>>139471945
The elephant hasn't done anything for 1000 years. It's not so weird to think that he doesn't have a consciousness anymore.
>>139472015
soap dumbass
>>139472035
I agree, but Jack is also a jobber.
Pic related will be how the Void Century flashback will be revealed through Luffy hearing the voice of all things. They'll find the final poneglpyh or perhaps even One Piece itself will just project all this information into Luffy's mind similar to what is happening to Momo.
Shanks was searching for someone else with the Will of D. as they are guaranteed to know the voice of all things. Whitebeard knew that Blackbeard would interpret the information and history incorrectly and won't inherit the the proper Will of the D.s like they intended.
>>139471945
Elephant didn't object to anything he did before, so maybe he thought it was mindless and insensible to the world around it. Granted he never attacked the elephant itself, but still.
>>139472057
wow anon that's deep
the void century image is non existent
>>139472070
I'm actually glad he jobbed. I was legit afraid there was going to be a long drawn out Zou arc with him as the primary villain. Now that we're getting actual plot progression, and the fact that Zou is being used as a short transitionary arc (much like Punk Hazard SHOULD have been) I'm pretty comfy with the current pace of things.
>>139472105
if the elephant actually died it would be way more devastating than a trunk attack so its still very stupid
>>139472097
You shouldn't have posted the image, just like >>139472106 said that shit was deep
>>139472097
I'm so curious as to what happened. I get that the D. Kingdom likely rebelled against the budding WG but why? What was the catalyst? How long had it been building? Man oh man.
>>139472125
Agreed, I hope Jack is gone for good, not every single opponent has to be defeated by a strawhat
>>139472159
Rayleigh hinted that its down to interpretation. The D's might not be as good hearted as we think. In my opinion it's the Will of Davy Jones which means they had a pirate leader.
>>139472159
>>139472198
I think the D created or were involved in the creation of the three weapons and the WG felt so threatened that they exterminated them and suppressed their allies like the Shandorans before the weapons could be used.
>mfw patiently waiting for Bonney to join
I'm kinda worried about sogeking guys. We've seen pretty much everyone else since the timeskip. You guys think we'll see him again soon? Oda isn't stupid enough to kill him off-camera, but still...
>>139472367
The WG didn't exist at the time, it was formed right after the void century.
>implying Oda won't pull a JRPG on us and make the D population and the nations that would become the WG somewhat related to some godlike being
explain this
>>139472484
Are you stupid, Spee D. Reader? It's pretty directly stated that the WG in its primitive form caused whatever it is that the void century is hiding.
>>139472565
>he WG in its primitive form
are you able to read? The WG was formed after the void cntury, whatever it was before, it sure wasn't the WG. It may have been a population, or more, or whatever, but it wasn't the world government.
>>139472555
Nobody is quite sure how trips work anon, another one of mootwho's mysteries.
>>139472480
No, his whole character development in Dressrosa was being true to himself and not lying. He loudly stated he was Usopp the sniper of the Strawhat pirates rather than claiming to be something else like he always does.
Rayleighs quote on haki can possibly provide more context:
>"Haki" is a power that lies dormant in all the world's creatures... "Presence", "fighting spirit" and "intimidation"... It is not different from the things that humans can naturally sense such as these... 'The act of not doubting'. That is strength!
The act of not doubting = strength. Using Sogekings mask is a form of doubt for Usopp and because he didn't use it, there was little doubt which increased his chances of developing his haki.
Sogeking is dead, get over it.
>>139472555
i cant
>>139472605
>this thing that became the world government wasn't the world government because it didn't have the title
Ok anon. Let me roll your wheelchair over to the reading table so you can go through the manga again, more slowly this time.
>>139471529
I dropped this garbage a long time ago.
Are they finally going after One Piece yet?
Aw hell yeah, another one of these, complete with spooky Brook, Tanuki Tanuki Chopper, and lewd Carrot.
>>139472644
yes, exactly. it isn't difficult. what now rules the world, once did not. I said nothing more than this.
>>139472660
Fuck off.
>>139472673
That form is still so fucking retarded.
>>139472681
And what now rules the world exists because of what it('s predecessor) did in the void century. Saying the WG didn't exist is just a technicality.
>>139472686
Get cancer and die Nurutard.
>>139472673
dat carrot showing her bare bunny pussy
>>139472713
>And what now rules the world exists because of what it('s predecessor) did
yes.
I just pointed out that it once didn't. which only means that we don't know the reasons for its creation. simple as that.
>>139472727
Ebic :D
>>139471529
Mfw jack turns into a mammoth the size of zou and fucks the elephant up.
>>139473022
>implying he isn't BTFO for good
>>139473077
I love that Oda uses three panels just to really drive the point home that Jack realizes that he seriously done fucked up
>>139473077
Yeah jack got drowned the fuck out
>>139473077
>Stage 1: Shock
>Stage 2: Realization
>Stage 3: Acceptance
>>139473326
I'm expecting him to have survived and he shows back up only to get shit stomped by Kaidou for failing him so much.
>>139472555
>>139472611
>idiots on /a/ don't know how it works
Not surprised. Or is this the latest meme?
That image is dumb, because without the other pair, you have no idea which direction those black lines go in. They could be there. But there are plenty of intersecting lines you could draw from only two dots that meet up in plenty of places since there's no other information to constrain your choice.
Even with three, there are plenty of intersections, because this isn't normal triangulation. You only need three locations to triangulate if you're observing something from a single point, like a transmission, but that's not what's happening here either. The phoneglyph locations are the information, and that the lines are drawn between the points, is all you know. You need at least four points because only with four points is it possible to have the lines between them converge on a single point and ONLY that one point.
I'm really glad Oda BTFO the kids that wanted Luffy or Zoro vs. Jack (great, another dumb physical powerhouse battle) and made the plot move forward. Now Zou is a transitional arc well done.
What are your guys' thoughts on the Doflamingo saga now that it's been over for a while?
I just marathoned it for the first time in a reread and despite the insane amount of padding in the middle sections of Punk Hazard and Dressrosa I thought it was pretty fun. The Law alliance has been a riot and the Strawhat Grand Fleet is a great addition to the series.
It's length was still a bit exhausting but it didn't feel nearly as bad as it felt serially.
>>139473459
I like it. My biggest problem is length but if you spee d read it its pretty good.
>>139473461
Extra floaty wood?
>>139473492
It did drag a lot, mostly with the Doflamingo replicas and the G4 countdown. Also, the birdcage was fucking stupid.
However Dresrosa was pretty good in general.
>>139473477
It lierally gets posted every thread anon. Because people make serious responses to it
>>139473477
>>139472611
>>139472607
>people still reply to this bait
>>139473492
More law is good law
>>139473477
>getting baited as hard as jack got BTFO
>>139473534
The bird cage wouldn't have bothered me if Doflamingo wasn't able to do it so casually with seemingly no repercussions and if it wasn't fucking indestructible for even a marine admiral.
It became really hard to swallow, especially when he was also repairing his organs, using parasite on half the population and fighting Luffy with awakening powers at the same time.
Fuck big mom nobody cares about her. People care about THE MOTHERFUCKING KAIDO! So, who do you guys think will be there at confrontation in Wano? Obviously the shogun and kaido himself will be but who else?Will zoro fight the shogun? How will luffy defeat kadio? Will big mom play a role in the downfall of kaido? Are luffy and law going to tag team kaido like they did to Doffy? Also will Neo the cat get to Marco just as he's getting killed by Weevil?
>>139473492
Pros :
- Coliseum battles
- Doflamingo
- New SH Grand Fleet
- ????
Cons :
- The whole royal family
- Law & his shit backstory
- Executives were all total fodder, absolute dumb jobber tier
- Terrible pacing, dragged out forever, too many flashbacks
- Fight against Doflamingo was underwhelming because of its terrible rhythm
- No arc should be that long, period.
Overall it's wasted potential : the arc.
What is he gonna do about it, /a/ ?
Does LuffLuff has time to go rescue sanji ?
> inb4 we rescue sanji, rest of the crew BTFO
>>139473692
I can't ignore trips Socrates
>>139471636
He said he would, go re-read Fishman Island's ending.
>>139473789
>The bird cage wouldn't have bothered me if Doflamingo wasn't able to do it so casually
this, it means that he can just do it whenever he wants, it's too fucking powerful of a power.
>>139473692
it lacks the sparrow sized monet and year of brook posting
>>139473846
rest of the crew+minks+samurais are going to find Marco, he will just be in Wano crucifying and chilling
>>139473838
>The whole royal family
I totally agree on Riku and Rebecca but I enjoyed Kyros' character, especially in the first half of the arc when he played a larger role as Mr. Soldier.
>>139473905
"They btfo Jack. Let's not do anything about it. Wait for them to get the whole Sh crew, fucking Marco the fucking Phoenix and minks and shit on top of that."
Great idea. No I mean why wouldn't Kaidou just intercept them all and fuck them up.
>>139474017
Kaidou isn't even aware that anyone is on the island beyond half dead Minks.
He'll probably send Apoo or someone out for a search.
>>139473838
>jobbers
They did neutralize a fair amount of coliseum contenders, tho
I dunno what you guys expect, it wouldnt make sense if Luffy KOed Doffy, the arc villain, while the executives steamroll, or even give a harsh tied-up fight against Zoro Kyros or Law.
Then you'd be complaining about the pacing and rythm.
Its a fight shonen ffs
>>139473789
Yeah, cut out the birdcage and it would have been great though. Beating admirals should'nt be possible for Doffy.
>>139473809
THE MONTHERFUCKING *The KAIDO
>>139474074
>Beating admirals should'nt be possible for Doffy.
Well, good then, cause he didnt
>>139474064
Sounds like a stupid idea but why not.
I don't think he will let this all alliance form up tho. He shouldn't.
>>139473838
>negative
>law
Kill you'reself
>>139472015
bath soap
>>139474176
Please explain to me why do you like Law. I just don't get how someone can.
>>139474200
His interactions with the Strawhats are great
He's a character desperately trying to be cool and edgy with a crew that refuses to let him do that and turns him to the butt of every joke.
>>139472673
This is terrifying
>>139474064
*The Kaido
>>139474103
The admirals couldn't stop the birdcage. He could literally kill the admirals with it.
>>139474448
anon pls
>>139474269
This
>>139474544
>put them in the birdcage
>haki it up
>ded
so Momonosuke is Uranus right?
>Pluton
giant battleship
>Poseidon
giant seakings
>Uranus
giant elephant
>>139474597
So anon is retardus right
>retardus
giant anon
>>139474617
whats wrong with this idea?
we know that living things can be ancient weapons.
and Momonosuke could really wreck shit with this huge elephant.
>>139474017
because they do it all in secret. Kaido doesn't know shit at the moment. Hell not even Jack knew the SH were involved.
>>139471529
Where the heck is this chapter's cover story?
Is there any chance of any other supernova forming an alliance with Luffy?
Kid seems absolutely Caothic evil
The others seems to be under Kaidou because they ahd no options, might follow Luffy if it means being free
>>139474837
Drake and Bonney probably will.
>>139474707
But the huge elephant can't be controlled too well, which makes it a bad weapon.
>>139474837
I can see Drake joining Luffy and Law to get revenge from Kaido and Apoo.
>>139474837
Drake has to happen because riding on the back of a t-rex is a man's romance
>>139474902
Definitely Bonney and her sexy pizzatits
>>139474837
im still sad kidd got rekt by kaido i thought he was luffy tier
>>139475024
Luffy would get rekt by Kaido too.
>>139475024
He maybe is, and just lacks Conqueror's Haki
>>139475002
>yfw Raizo and General Franky riding on the back of T-rex Drake
>yfw Ninja-Robo-Dinosaur suuuuperrr Pirate docking
>>139475044
>>>>>>>>
MUH NAKAMA GEAR 6 etc
Friendly reminder that enel will be the last straw hat member.
>>139475098
>Ninja-Robo-Dinosaur Pirate Docking
>>139474902
Bonney's a definite. She's shown interest in them, Blackbeard is her target, she has some greater plot influence given that she's important to the WG, has some connection with Whitebeard and isn't doing anything else right now. I'd be shocked if she didn't join the Luffy gang.
Drake I can see helping them out but I'm not sure if he'll become a full fledged ally. He's still pretty mysterious.
So which characters can we expect to see at the wedding?
My list is the following:
-Bonnie, likely one of Big Mom's daughters.
-Crocodile due to his underground mafia theme similar to Capone.
-Moria as he has a grudge against Kaido and needs to meet Luffy before they head to Wano so he can gain the motivation to head towards Kaido and fight him.
-Jinbe as he still has ties to Big Mom
-Lucci going undercover potentially
-Likely a lot of the characters from the underworld broker broadcasts shown in Punk Hazard
-Possible other Yonko crew members to negotiate territories or trade deals
>>139475333
>but I'm not sure if he'll become a full fledged ally
He will because of his past and connection to Law once it's revealed.
>>139475044
>>139475024
Just think about the possibility of every member of the Worst Generation fighting Kaidou and collectively beat him
>>139475444
Pretty sure Apoo and Capone have already set themselves up to be minions so they're out.
What's Urouge even doing?
>>139475444
technically Blackbeard is also labelled as one of the worst generation
>>139475521
There's a chance they had no options other than fighting him and dying when he fell from the sky on them
There's also a chance Luffy will wreck them since they were going after Shank
>>139475191
More like last villain
>>139474597
If he can only command Zunisha it's not really on the same level as Poseidon, that's supposedly able to 'destroy the world' or some such.
>>139475333
How the fuck did bonney escape akainu/sakazuki
>>139475348
Monet
>mfw Jack stabbed his sword into Zunisha's trunk right before impact and is now hanging onto it, climbing up to fuck shit up.
>mfw Jack's hybrid form is three-sword-style with a blade in each hand and one controlled by his trunk.
>>139475708
fucked her way out of prison
>>139475537
He's a yonko too now though
>>139475771
Titmonster or loli?
>>139475790
[spoile]both[/spoiler]
>>139474597
Uranus is a creature in the egg on Roger's ship.
>>139475790
Whatever best distracted whoever she was currently fucking.
>>139474573
he has to be inside the cage too you dipshit
>inb4 b8
I guess Jack got jackhammered.
>>139475847
Not even the kind of pun you're supposed to make baka. Work harder next time.
Jack's a dumbo.
>>139474448
>>139474103
Plotcage shouldn't be considered in any serious discussions. Easily one of the dumbest and least logical things that's ever been written in the story.
>>139475861
dont even care
>tfw Nami will never fall in love with you
>tfw Nami will never tell you she loves you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh6nOH5sUts
why did the mammoths go extinct /a/?
>>139472015
there will be enough porn of her
>>139472015
there will never be enough porn of her
>>139472015
there might be enough porn of her
>>139472015
Who cares if there's porn of her
Everyone remember to do your best to appreciate Penguin today!
>>139472015
porn of her? I've had enough
>>139476303
who?
>>139476373
Penguin!
>>139472015
there willnotbe enough porn of her
>>139476424
oh the guy who jobbed to jack the jobbers fodders?
>>139476541
Yes, him!
brook should never have been written into the manga. holy fuck what a waste of space. even nami has endless contempt for him
>>139471945
It did not occur to Jack like it did not occur to him that he might lose against Tsuru, Fujitora and Sengoku. He is a overconfident hothead which was made very, very clear.
>>139476654
Year of Brook nigga get hype
>>139475837
Like it fucking matters he can patch himself back up
>>139476097
>>139476144
You tried
>>139475921
Explain
>>139476424
*appreciates*
>>139476853
>giant attack capable of killing anyone who tries to escape
>large enough to capture massive areas
>very few if any people can potentially escape it unless Doffy is taken down
>seemingly no strain on Doffy and no limit to its usage
>>139474448
>The admirals couldn't stop the birdcage.
It is not that Fujitora could not, it is that he did not want to. Do you even read?
>>139476988
Whole crowds of people couldn't stop it anon.
>>139471529
best finished arc: war or CP9/water 7?
>>139476967
You just explained how it works. Where is the the problem now exactly?
>seemingly no strain on Doffy and no limit to its usage
yes? usage of df powers does not strain the user, it was never shown that it affects your power or stamina. Same goes for time limits.
>>139477023
Which is not surprising if you consider the sheer scale of it and the forces that were at work when it started to constrict.
So how was Jack compared to Dofla? I can't imagine the latter jobbing so hard against one attack of a giant elephant.
>>139477260
I highly doubt even Doffy would have been able to dodge the gigantic trunk of an elephant who was completely passive a second ago and suddenly attacks.
>>139477026
yes
>>139477088
>>139476967
The only user whose stamina affects his powers is Law, iirc. Which makes sense because he has the weirdest fruit ever. He doesn't produce anything naturally, he isn't turned into anything naturally, he can't be anything naturally, etc. He literally has to manipulate everything. I can see why that would require stamina.
>>139471529
Far cry primal
>>139477260
They were sitting ducks on a fucking ship. Unless Doffy teleports on to a fucking cloud, he'd get shat on.
>>139477400
I think Oda just came up with this restriction for Law to have an excuse for him not just teleporting the whole crew inside of Doffys castle for example. Because in the end the whole stamina thing did not prevent Law from using his powers right until the end of the whole battle.
>>139477260
Doffy wouldn't be stupid enough to piss off a sentient island while in the middle if the sea in the first place
>>139477026
Little Garden, Alabasta, Jaya/Skypiea, Water 7/Enies Lobby, and Impel Down/Marinefold are ALL acceptable choices
>>139477125
Yes so admirals can't stop it
>>139477696
I am sure Fujitora could have stopped it with his gravity powers if he wanted to.
>>139477400
>>139477125
The point is that the birdcage is just a hackneyed plot device, its essentially unstoppable and just adds a time limit to a battle that doesn't really need it
>>139477722
Only by taking down Doffy though. Even if his gravity could take it down he'd mince everyone inside while doing it
>>139477555
Well, yea, all puns aside, it has a restriction because it's OP. But I think it makes sense in the canon verse too, because of the nature of Law's fruit. If that makes sense.
>>139476447
What does that pic mean?
>>139477734
But the ticking bomb thing has been happening since East Blue. The Birdcage didn't invent the idea. It's pretty much a staple for One Piece.
>>139477767
What if he lifted the rocks where the strings went down? I doubt the cage was a sphere.
>>139477664
>There is someone roaming this earth who thinks Little Garden is the best arc in One Piece
Incredible sights are in this world and I want to bear witness
>>139477734
And there is nothing wrong with that. Using powers as plot devices is a trope that has been around since forever.
>Jack
>>139477834
But the birdcage is the stupidest one. Can you imagine if Croc whipped up a giant sandstorm that instantly murdered everyone it touched that slowly closed in on the city like it was no fucking problem? Maybe Rob Lucci summons an army of giant leopards that vaporize everyone who comes near that slowly walk towards enies lobby? If Doffy is this strong he should be able to tear countries in half no problem and be a god.
Where are they now?
>>139477905
>giants fighting an endless battle of honor
>dinosaurs
>Mr. 3's trap and Mr.2's introduction
Little Garden was dope and I won't believe otherwise
>>139478010
Different characters, different strength levels, different powers.
>>139478010
>If Doffy is this strong he should be able to tear countries in half no problem and be a god.
This, except if using birdcage actually takes years of preparation/building up power.
But no such thing was established, which makes it awful. At this point, we could conclude that he can indeed just raze countries to the ground like that.
>>139478010
Nigga, he did tear countties in half no problem. You're basically ignoring his character and thinking about his power. Which is bullshit. Same with Crocodile and Lucci. And in case you didn't fucking notice, there was a bomb that would wipe out the place in Arabasta and a fucking Buster Call in Enies Lobby. Sure, they weren't directly under the control of Crocodile or Lucci but that's just irrelevant.
>>139478048
>>giants fighting an endless battle of honor
We'd better get a fucking Elbaf arc soon.
>>139478156
And? Jack was known for destroying whole countries, Bobbin also destroyed whole countries. Kaidou should be able to as well.
I really fucking want Sengoku to die, but the fact that nobody dies in this is worrying me. Why can't the fucking Navy just get sunk?
>>139478156
We're in the fucking New World. Where the strongest of the strogest gathers. No shit Doffy could raze countries. Why wouldn't he be able to? Why do you assume Doffy has to be weak? Next you're gojng to complain when Jack ends up being alive or Kaido/Big Mom ends up being strong as all fuck. Nigga, get the fuck outta here.
>>139478296
Out of every goddamn Marine, why Sengoku? Why do you want Garp's best bro to die? Why do you want Garp to be sad? Why do you want Luffy's family to be sad which in turn will make Luffy sad? Why do you hate Luffy, anon?
>>139478156
Exactly. Why the fuck isn't Doffy tearing the WG a new asshole? He could decimate their HQ in seconds.
>>139472565
Where is that directly stated?
>>139478165
There was one bomb and the buster call was a one time thing. Doffy could literally decimate an island every day if he felt inclined
>>139478359
>liking a mentally ill rubber boy
>calling him best boy
Please got back to shittytail faggot
>>139478422
And? I don't see the problem here. Yes, he could destroy islands single-handedly. So what? You think he's fucking weak or something?
>>139478187
Soon brother. Usopp has denounced Sogeking. His time is coming.
>>139478296
Sengoku isn't a dickass though. Sakazuki is the asshole, Sengoku is a chill guy who quit when things stopped falling into his moral code.
>>139478386
>make Birdcage inside of Marine HQ
>every admiral + Sakazuki gangs up on you and fucks your shit up
great plan
>>139474074
>beating admirals shouldn't be possible for Doflamingo
Why not? He's the fifth most influential pirate in the world and clearly on the same level as Mihawk and Hancock, both who could fight an admiral if they had to.
>>139478428
>hating the main character
?
>>139478467
I'm not saying he's weak I'm saying why isn't he making a gorrillian birdcages and dominating the entire fucking planet. The birdcage makes his pretty much unstoppable.
>>139478386
Yea, they'll just rebuld it in peace over Doffy's charred, pierced, crushed, possibly seperated body.
>>139478231
>>139478323
Well, of course some landlubbers aren't gonna do shit about any of these guys. But what stops Doffy from cloudsurfing to Mariejois, put up a cage, and cloudsurf to safety? Good weather? Doesn't want to?
I guess if Oda said "don't worry, strong motherfuckers could easily break the bird cage" I would be happy.Apparently Fujitora didn't do that because of reasons.
>>139478487
Make it above marine hq :^)
>>139478535
>luffy can beat a guy who can beat admirals
>>luffy can beat admirals
Nah
>>139478546
>cloudsurf to safety
He has to be inside the cage as well because creating one requires him to be in the center of it.
>>139478536
>get knocked out or killed, birdcage ends
>unstoppable
Also, Luffy was strong enough to break Doflamingo's string, so other characters can too. Just because Fujitora couldn't doesn't mean Akainu or Kizaru couldn't.
>>139478536
Except it doesn't because as strong as Doffy is, there are way mpre stronger people that will shut him down permanently. If Doffy kept fucking up Islands, the Admirals will swoop in and tear him a new one. If Doffy fucked with a Yonkou's island then he might as well just jump in the sea and call it a day. Again, I think you're ignoring his character. Doffy wants to stick it to the WG and all but he sure as fuck doesn't want to die.
>>139478573
>Luffy can beat an admiral
How is that not obvious at this point in the story? Luffy fucking flashed back to Kizaru when he accepted Rayleigh's training.
>>139478589
Luffy managed to break the invisible strings Doffy uses to control other people. The birdcage strings are thick and on a completely different level.
>>139478589
>Fujitora couldn't
He did not even try because of his plan.
>>139478546
Maybe you should reread the chapters where he used the Birdcage instead of making up bullshit.
>>139478642
No. King Kong Gun managed to break the Divine String's used in Doflamingo's stated strongest attack, as well as the defensive web that he created to block king kong gun.
>>139478579
Cloudsurf right at the top of the cage where nobody can reach.
>>139478589
Anyone who wants to knock him out has to be on the inside of the cage, and even then it took Luffy an army and 3 form changes to pull it off.
>>139478589
>Fujitora couldn't
You mean he 'didn't'. There's a huge difference.
>>139478670
He was directly shown trying to slow the contraction of the birdcage. He was also directly shown launching a meteor at it. The bird cage contracting had no bearing or influence on whether his plan to get rid of the shichibukai will work.
You're delusional.
>>139478628
>luffy
>even coming close to taking down Aokiji or Akainu
>>139478712
>Anyone who wants to knock him out has to be on the inside of the cage
This is not true. Fujitora's meteor did not destroy the birdcage but it did enter it.
>>139478756
Aokiji I can see. It depends on the fruit that the opponent has. Their title doesn't really mean much.
>>139478756
We're at the end of the story and Kuzan is Blackbeard's subordinate so I sure hope you're wrong.
Next you'll be attempting to claim that Kuzan is stronger than Blackbeard too.
>>139478579
See, I don't see why that would be the case. But it's not like devil fruit powers are thoroughly explained.
That is what happened in the chapter where he created it: he was in the center and shot string in the air that spread around the island.
I have no real reason to believe he couldn't shoot them down from the sky.
>>139478738
Fact is: Fujitora never tried to destroy the Birdcage while using his full power. He had no intention of destroying the cage at any point.
>>139478386
There are admirals there.
Besides, WG was actually useful to him.
>>139478843
>the end
>4 islands minimum
>8 years according to the editor
Blackbeard could fuck Luffy without breaking a sweat right now. Luffy is approaching being able to take Kuzan, but he's still not there.
>>139478899
Prepare to never know.
>>139478958
You get the point though. The birdcage is easily a yonko tier ability.
>>139478843
>Kuzan is Blackbeard's subordinate
He won't be anyone's underling. BB should ask Sanji that.
>>139479092
>Prepare to never know.
I am fine with that.
>>139478953
You're backtracking. The longevity of the birdcage had no bearing on Fujitora's plan, and he was shown trying to stop it's contraction as well as throwing a meteor at it.
His meteor was shown to be weaker than King Kong Gun, since Doflamingo could block the former and since the meteors couldn't break his string.
>>139479046
>all of this delusion
Luffy is approaching being able to take Kaido, Shanks, Big Mom, and Blackbeard. Doflamingo was when Luffy reached the level where he could reasonably fight someone like Kuzan or Fujitora, and in fact he was shown fighting Fujitora without being overwhelmed in any way and directly stated that he would and could fight admirals now.
Why are faggots arguing who Luffy can take on?
He can take all the yonkos at the same time and win. Why? Simple because he is the main character. There's no need for explanation. You faggots are Retards for saying "hurr hurr he is not ready hurr" okay? Who are you to say that? You're not Oda faggot. Of do you retards don't know who the main character is?
>>139479137
Kuzan has been an underling since his introduction to the story.
>>139478843
Kuzan is gonna swap sides again though.
>>139479195
>approaching being able to take down the final boss of the series who has two of the most powerful devil fruits.
Fuck off Zehahafag
I've just started watching the anime should i skip the shitty warship island filler arc?
>>139479274
What makes you believe this? If so, that's a death flag for Kuzan.
>>139479195
>and he was shown trying to stop it's contraction as well as throwing a meteor at it.
He joined Zoro to push the cage because of his honor as a marine admiral, he just did not want to stand around doing nothing at all. And you seem to forgot that meteors are not the only thing he can use. His strongest attack is Graviton Mouko.
>>139479311
>stories don't have endings
It's true that Yoh couldn't defeat Hao in combat, the story sure did conclude anyway though. It's also true that Blackbeard is likely the strongest of the yonko. So maybe it's only right to say he's approaching being able to defeat the other three.
>>139479379
>Didn't want to stand around not doing anything at all
But that's what he did by just pushing on the bird cage. None of his gravity ability was shown to have any influence over any of Doflamingo's string, as well.
Trying to claim that he didn't help because of his plan to get rid of the shichibukai, when he's shown helping, and when stopping the birdcage wouldn't cancel his plan at all, is folly.
Luffy was about as strong as Fujitora (didn't take damage, didn't get overwhelmed) in his base form (shown on panel because they did fight), but it took Gear 4 and King Kong Gun for him not to get absolutely wrecked by Doflamingo.
>>139479338
>anime
>not reading the manga
Skip all the filler but G8
>>139479343
>lets a little girl escape a buster call
>lets luffy live because he owes him and his grandpa
>fights another admiral because he's a ruthless asshole
>actually joining the most ruthless pirate asshole on the planet
>>139477026
Baroque Works if we're talking whole sagas
Thriller Bark, Jaya, Drum and Sabaody are all great contenders for individual arcs
I'll never get what people see in Marineford. It wasn't a bad arc but the Impel Down stuff before it was brilliant.
>>139479651
It was not about not helping them, it was about not getting any credit for stopping Doflamingo.
>>139479475
That's definitely more believable.
>>139479660
>Let's a little girl escape a buster call
In exchange for non resistance from Saul, who he killed for violating orders.
>Let's Luffy live beause he owes him and his grandpa
He wasn't ordered to kill Luffy at that point. He did not try to let Luffy live at Marineford when he froze the ocean so that Jinbei landed on ice when he tried to rescue Luffy from Akainu.
Aokiji froze the ice as Jinbe was in mid air about to land in water.
>Fights another admiral
Because he was ordered to.
>actually joining the most ruthless pirate asshole on the planet
You're looking at Blackbeard as a transcendent reader. Kuzan may not see him the same way as the reader does. Perhaps he sees him as a man who can legitimately change the world.
>>139479651
>Trying to claim that he didn't help because of his plan to get rid of the shichibukai, when he's shown helping, and when stopping the birdcage wouldn't cancel his plan at all, is folly.
it does though.
He didn't want any credit for defeating doflamingo.
He didn't try to use his gravity on the birdcage.
And that the meteor would get sliced up is not surprising since doffy managed to slice it up on green bit as well, and it's not like fujitora meant to destroy the birdcage with the meteor.
>>139479681
I fucking love Jaya. The last part of Skypiea with Luffy's shadow and the bell over Jaya makes me tear up a little every time.
>>139479787
>Kuzan may not see him the same way as the reader does
Kuzan is perceptive and was there to see Blackbeards actions at the war.
He's joining to get close to them and keep an eye on their actions from the inside.
>>139477260
How hard would dog and cat beat Doffy ?
>>139479748
Then since he was actively pushing on the bird cage helping slow its contraction, that was already negated, so he should have stopped it with gravity.
He just couldn't. If he could stop the bird cage from contracting with his gravity ability, he could do it in secret, sitting on a log, like when he held Law down, as well.
You're not making sense. Everything we saw indicates that while it's true he was holding back from fighting Doflamingo directly, it's also true that he couldn't break Doflamingo's string, or otherwise influence it, at all. These ideas are not mutually exclusive.
>>139479787
>>Fights another admiral
>Because he was ordered to.
no
>>139479651
>Luffy was about as strong as Fujitora (didn't take damage, didn't get overwhelmed) in his base form (shown on panel because they did fight), but it took Gear 4 and King Kong Gun for him not to get absolutely wrecked by Doflamingo.
Now you are thinking in power levels, which is stupid. I highly doubt pic related would not have damaged the birdcage significantly.
>>139471636
yeah because Luffy is the master of saving one guy without making any trouble than leave. If Big Mom is strong eough to stop g4 Luffy like nothing then some people could convice hime to leave her be if he saved Sanji by that time, leaving Sanji's father as the boss of the arc, but i doubt this will happen.
>>139479681
>I'll never get what people see in Marineford
They saw bigshots going at it. This is the arc where things like "Marco vs. Kizaru, how would that fight look like?" become reality. I have argued with people about BB cs. Kizaru before, who knows whether that will ever happen though.
Wonder what Whitebeard can do if he fights seriously? Marineford.
Of course that's not something that automatically makes an arc good, but I guess people probalby already find it exciting because of this.
>>139479880
>Then since he was actively pushing on the bird cage helping slow its contraction, that was already negated
No it wasn't. Even dressrosa citizens were pushing the birdcage. Or are you trying to tell me the newspapers would have mentioned every single person who helped pushing?
>>139479861
Kuzan was every bit as brutal as Blackbeard in the war and the Marines themselves were more brutal.
Kuzan also witnessed how Akainu and Sengoku had Whitebeard stabbed in the back.
The way he froze the ocean immediaely as Luffy was about to escape, to ensure Luffy's death at Marineford, also suggests that you have a misperception about Kuzan (who helped commit genocide under orders) as well.
I hope he's not just a spy because Blackbeard will root him out and kill him if he is.
one piece is gay
>>139480105
>The way he froze the ocean immediaely as Luffy was about to escape, to ensure Luffy's death at Marineford, also suggests that you have a misperception about Kuzan (who helped commit genocide under orders) as well.
Except Kuzan matured and grew as a person after Ohara.
The main driving factor for him leaving the marines was because he didn't trust or agree with Sakazuki's form of justice at all. It's why he put his life on the line dueling with him over the position of fleet admiral.
Kuzan isn't a benevolent angel who'd never hurt anybody but you really think he'd switch sides to a guy as publicly scum as Blackbeard? When he's been portrayed as the kinder end of the marines who hangs with Smoker and Garp?
>>139479475
Just because he can't take BB and the Yonko now doesn't mean he'll never be able to.
>>139479787
He directly told Robin that all the Absolute Justice was tiresome while he let her go. He knows to follow orders, he's not renegade Smoker letting all his pirate buddies go free, but he's not Sakazuki murdering civilians left and right either. Maybe I'm wrong but I think Kuzan is up to something.
>>139480321
>Maybe I'm wrong but I think Kuzan is up to something.
Burgess' reservations about him and his interactions with Smoker on Punk Hazard were basically confirmation that he has his own goals and is using Blackbeard.
>>139480105
Maybe over the years, he got disillusioned with the Marines, and left them because they go against his ideals.
And so instead of being an underling of someone who may go against his ideals, too, he now pursues his own justice independently, and exploits BB as a means to an end?
I can't see him being BB's underling forever.
My memory is a bit hazy, but has he been established as part of the crew? Is he working "together with BB" or "for him"?
>>139479787
He fought Akainu to try to stop him from being FA because he hates him that much. Sakazuki is murderous scum and even though Kuzan didn't want to be FA he'd rather deal with it than let Sakazuki do it
>>139473477
pfffffttt
>>139471529
DE INVINSIBL CAPN JACK
>>139480105
Sakazuki blew up a fucking boat of civilians at Ohara. Do you really think Kuzan would do that? I can tell you that BB sure as hell would.
>>139480406
Kuzan for next nakama?
>>139480477
>over the years
More like at fucking Ohara when he directly says this as he lets Robin escape
>>139480532
Oh boy another ms paint drawing i get to see every thread
>>139480738
Wouldn't even be mad. My headcanon of the two last SH being Jinbei and a logia user must come true.
Although I'd like to see Caesar growing affectionate to the crew to the point of deeply regretting his actions and become new nakama after his redemption. I am starting to really like mr shuolololo
>>139473477
Nonsense you only need 1
>>139480251
>Kuzan grew as a person after Ohara
He attempted to kill Robin by stomping her frozen body at Long O Ring Island (think Jozu's arm, but Robin's chest), but Usopp rescued her.
>>139480950
Caesar may be an irredeemable fuckup but I'd be lying if I said he wasn't fun.
>>139480950
Kuzan is too strong for a nakama. I think Caesar could, but Kuzan can do too much on his own to be part of a pirate crew. I do think he'll help Luffy in the final war though. At least against BB. I don't think he's still with the Marines, but I doubt he wants to terminate them entirely either.
>>139480783
But it took something else for him to quit.
And I don't remember the scene too well, but if it was anything like "You know, when I had breakfast this morning, I thought the Marines were cool. But now I have doubts" then I'd be surprised.
>>139481085
Because he thought she was a hopeless time bomb and that it was his responsibility to take care of her.
Did you miss his entire talk with Robin during the party at the end of the arc?
Why do you think that him being willing to kill and following a sense of justice puts him on the same level of Akainu and Blackbeard?
>>139481125
I'm sure end of series Zoro and Sanji would be stronger though. As long as the Monster Trio balance is kept, it wouldn't matter who joined. And Kuzan isn't gonna join any time soon whatsoever so you know.
Wonder what crime Zouishi committed to be sentenced/cursed to keep walking forever. Also, his relationship/similarity to those giant seakings that the mermaid princess summoned , BC they were also massive, sentient,and telepathic, . also momosuke can apparently command Zouishi the way mermaid commanded the giant seakings, both are royalty
>>139480783
>accepted promotion to Admiral after Ohara
>Stayed in the Marines for decades after the Ohara incident
>Tried to kill Robin at Long O Ring Island
>Tried to kill Luffy at Marineford
What? He left the Marines because he's assblasted that they promoted Akainu instead of him, not because he's some noble moral high horse character.
>>139481090
Well, oda managed to almost "redeem" Bellamy...I know it won't happen but Caesar is golden
>>139481125
>Kuzan is too strong for a nakama
yep, that of course.
where's the Enelfornakama poster?
>>139481085
Except that was 20 years later and Robin was now a pirate whose bounty was justifiable. Kuzan knows when to do his job, but he also knows when it goes too far. Kuzan letting kids and civilians go doesn't mean he's gonna let adult pirates go. Let me quote an earlier post I made.
>he's not renegade Smoker letting all his pirate buddies go free, but he's not Sakazuki murdering civilians left and right either.
>>139481151
He quit because he didn't want to follow Sakazuki's Justice, no? He wanted to lead the Marines because he thought it'd be better than Sakazuki leading them. But after he lost, he basically had no power. So he quit.
I'm not keeping up with the discussion, I just saw your post.
>>139481301
Didn't he directly state he was going to finish the job he didn't at Ohara when he tried to stomp her?
Actions speak louder than words and Kuzan's actions show that other than that he protects those people close to him, he's just as much of an asshole as Blackbeard.
>>139479210
Calm down, Anshin'in-san
>>139481271
>almost
Oda made Bellamy a grade A "good" guy. He's still a pirate so obviously he'd be a dick but since his ideals changed, Bellamy is basically a good person now.
Caesar is a different case since he doesn't give a shit. Even after he lost, he didn't give a shit. Which is a shame, really.
>>139481302
The proof that Kuzan had no intentions of quitting until he was assblasted that he didn't get promoted is from the fact that he attempted to get promoted.
>>139481439
>since he doesn't give a shit
which is why it would be so easy for him to change, he would just need to actually give a shit. Hell, he could even still flush when they mention the destructive power of his weapons actually, it would be a fine gag. It's mostly the whole children thing that he should be sorry about.
>>139481456
He was "assblasted" about the Marines changing for the worse under Sakazuki's abolute justice. Trying to be promoted means he could prevent that.
Not for any kind of "bawww he gets a raise and I don't" that you seem to be implying.
>>139481151
Ohara was the beginning of him questioning the marines. Sakazuki was just the last straw.
>>139481251
He straight up said he didn't want to be FA. The only reason he fought Akainu was to prevent him from being FA. Why? Because Akainu is a fucking cunt who kills anyone who gets in the way of his warped justice, innocent, child, whatever. The fact is, Kuzan let a kid go because he felt it was wrong to kill her.
>>139481302
This. Kuzan did it to spite Sakazuki.
>>139481388
He told her at Ohara he would only come after her if she caused trouble. If Robin kept her head down and didn't keep investigating he never would have tracked her down. He only wanted to kill her when she had the power to be a threat.
>>139481456
Well, he didn't exactly attempt it. He got nominated. But yes, he did want the position fiercely when he realised it was either him or Sakazuki. If it wasn't Sakazuki, Kuzan wouldn't have cared. I mean, why would he have quit before that? It's not like he was Sengoku who had to deal with years of dealing with the WG's bullshit. Kuzan was just chilling.
>>139481517
Caesar's problem is that he's not a good leader. He needs a good leader who encourages his scientific advances. When he's running the show he's too sadistic. The fact that one of Caesar's weapons actually defeated the Minks when a Kaido Calamity 1 billion beli bounty dude couldn't says a lot about his value.
>>139481634
you just made me want him more as a SH
>>139481592
Not to spite Sakazuki. He simply thought Sakazuki was the wrong guy for the job. It's not like Kuzan had some kind of personal vendetta against the guy.
>>139481517
Yea but Caesar is proud of his work. He never showed an ounce of remorse even after realising he was killing the kids.
>>139481582
He could not prevent that. This was recently shown directly on panel when the Gorosei bitch slapped Fleet Admiral Akainu.
Kuzan worked his whole life to become fleet admiral, but that dream could never be realized because Akainu cut off his leg, so he left, assblasted.
You can talk about how Kuzan is this great good nice dude all you want but the fact is he joined an organization and in a frenzy to get to the top was willing to do almost any evil, even up to genocide. Sure he might throw in a token good deed during his genocide, that's just more illustrative of the type of scum that he is.
He tries to get fleet admiral, fails, leaves assblasted, and joins Blackbeard who he saw almost sink Marineford.
>>139481605
This. You think he would have put up a fight against Kizaru? He would have just said "ok give it to him" and went to sleep.
>>139481786
>>139481605
Sounds like after the fact excuses from a sore loser. And joining Blackbeard sounds like exactly what a fag like Kuzan would do after being butthurt too.
>inb4 Kuzan's agreement with Blackbeard allows Blackbeard to kill Dragon
Then anon will be telling me how great and awesome and good and reformed Kuzan is. Haha.
>>139481713
He spited his way of justice. He thought Sakazuki was a violent idiot and wanted nothing to do with it anymore because of him.
>>139481779
>worked his whole life to be FA
show me the page where he says this. Genocide was a part of his job. Which one of the people at Ohara shot the boat of civilians? Hint: it wasn't Kuzan.
>>139481779
Nigger, what? Are you mistaking Kuzan for Hanyabal? His reason for wanting to become Fleet Admiral was plain and simple. To stop an extreme person from getting the job. Not because he cared about some shitty title.
>>139481878
You're a fucking retard
>>139481885
>show me where he says this
I don't need to. It's illustrated canon over 20 years of serialization showing that Aokiji was a Marine who committed genocide to become an admiral, then fought another admiral almost to death to try and get promoted even higher, then immediately quit when that failed. Then joined the Yonko who almost sunk Marineford and is going to help him kill Dragon.
>>139481878
I didn't realise I was being baited. You're the same guy who keeps shitting on Sengoku and thinks he ordered to kill Clover, huh?
>>139481912
I would never mistake scum like Kuzan for an honorable good man like Hannibal.
>>139481926
It is quite clear he is trolling at this point.Have you stopped giving people the benefit of the doubt? In case he is a retard, let the manga prove him wrong.
>>139482300
Yeah, I figured it out. At first I gave him some benefit that he just didn't get it, but it's obvious he's being epic.
>>139473492
i plan to reread it once it gets fully colored.
>>139481912
>>139482110
Literally the panel immediately prior to that page.
>context
This Marineford arc really is crap. Isn't this supposed to be literal shonenshit? Why are the bad guys winning so much?
>>139482445
Yea. Aokiji got nominated. And he acted fiercely when he realised Sakazuki was the opposition.
>>139482456
>old generation dying/stepping down to make way for the young generation
>not literal shonenshit
>>139475521
Everybody is assuming Apoo has always been a lackey, but I do think he will join Luffy after he meets up with him. The real question is what happened to Basil?
>>139482526
He would have acted fiercely regardless. Being promoted to fleet admiral is a rare thing. You're just buying into political propaganda supporting Kuzan.
>I-I only wanted to be the fleet admiral because the other guy is mean!
Top kek.
>>139482445
>nominated
>the same as wanting something
>>139482456
I really don't know how you expect us to respond to this. Sometimes the bad guys gotta win anon. Bad guys that job all the time are boring. This isn't naruto.
>>139482658
Blackbeard is the old generation.
>>139482677
>Everybody is assuming Apoo has always been a lackey
More people seem to assume he only just joined up with Kaido, despite evidence to the contrary.
>>139482683
We've caught on to your bullshit, anon. You can stop now.
>>139482683
>I only wanted to become fleet admiral because the other guy is fucking nuts and kills fellow Marines and innocent civilians
>>139482717
>Actively stayed in the Marines for decades after Ohara, accepted promotions all the way to Admiral. Killed his best friend at Ohara, probably helped with his promotion too.
>He's morally opposed to the Marines
He left the Marines and joined Blackbeard as soon as things didn't go his way.
>>139481973
How does one misinterpret a character this hard
Are you shitposting
>>139482744
No, he's part of the Worst Generation. Teach may be old but he never acted until 2 yaers ago.
>>139482683
Smoker literally defies orders when he thinks they go too far. He lets Luffy go all the time, and told the marines to shove it when the tried to give him credit he didn't deserve. Kuzan falls on the same spectrum as Smoker. He thinks absolute justice is bullshit. Quit being a retard and baiting.
>>139482830
Obviously, you fucking dingus. Look at all the other posts. The guy is thirsting for the (You)s.
>>139482785
Aokiji was shown killing a Vice Admiral from the D. family on panel.
After that he was promoted to Admiral.
>>139482785
This
>>139482815
Kuzan:
>follows orders and kills pirates
>doesn't kill innocents and kids
Sakazuki:
>blows up Marines and civilians because he wants power and doesn't give a shit
Yeah pretty much the same character epic bater bro
>>139482456
>something that differs from the usual cliches is somehow bad
>>139482957
>Oharan's were pirates
What? I guess you completely forgot that Aokiji was one of the leaders of the Oharan Buster Call?
Saul had to beg Aokiji not to kill 1 kid, and Robin was NOT the only kid on Ohara.
>>139482845
Speaking of Smoker, wtf Oda? Why is Luffy's Garp so pathetic and embarassing so far in part 2 of the story?
Gets heart stolen by Law
Flamingo shreds him up and he about to be killed
Virgo breaks his jitte and knocks him out
Give this guy some more training or something because he has been absolutely horrific. The theory of him one day being the admiral is a joke with his power.
>>139482893
That was his fucking job you retard. Saul betrayed the marines. Just because Saul was right doesn't make it not Kuzan's job to kill him. The thing is, Kuzan didn't blow up a ship full of kids and families.
>>139478024
Remember the fags that kept spamming what a great idea it would be for Doffy to beat Luffy and suddenly have the narrative switch to follow Doffy and his crew instead?
Wonder where they are now. Probably hanging in their closet.
>>139483001
Well it's certainly not entertaining, fun, or desirable. This is escapism. ESCAPISM
Can't wait until this shit arc is forgotten and the crew is together again
>mfw patiently waiting for Bonney to marry Sanji
>>139483037
Saul was trying to stop Akainu from killing the women and children of Ohara.
Aokiji killed Saul, ensuring their deaths. You're delusional. Just because he didn't launch the fireball doesn't mean he's not just as responsible.
Aokiji had no intention of sparing even one person (until saul begged him as his dying fucking wish), and killed the person who did try and save the island, for trying to save it.
>>139483033
I was so pissed. Even the anime made his reintroduction badass after FI. His entrance and initial Law fight was awesome. Then it all went down hill. Then we got a tiny glimpse of hope against Vergo. Then it all went down hill. Then Doffy showed up and that was the end of tht. Here's hoping Vegapunk teches some voodoo witchcraft DF magic to Smoker. Or feeds his jitte a DF. Only the tip has Seastone, right? So maybe it will work?
>>139483007
They were criminals. Kuzan recognizes his fucking job. Also Kuzan had no power of the buster call on any level besides having to show up for it. The other kids on Ohara would have been fine if Sakazuki didn't murder them all for ko reason. Kuzan has enough morality to question orders and recognize that justice shouldn't result in the killing of innocents. That is literally his entire character. You are shitty at baiting and shitty at life.
>>139483033
Smoker needs Haki and a power boost minimum. Garp can punch people in half and could probably kill a sea king barehanded, Smoker has a fucking logia and can't catch a mentally challenged kid leading 8 people on a tiny boat
>>139483148
You are a faggot
>>139483203
>oh look this guy is trying to stop Akainu from killing everybody in cold blood, I better kill him in cold blood before he does that, then claim moral high ground and blame Akainu for everything.
Wow.
>>139483033
Smoker isn't Luffy's Garp, Coby is.
>>139483087
There are actual people like that?
>>139483149
bonney is the purest maiden and will neva eva touch a boy
>>139483231
>They were criminals
>Akainu is evil for killing them
Make up your mind. BOTH Aokiji and Akainu are complicit. That Aokiji cried out trying to look morally superior and Akainu was just straight up about it doesn't make Aokiji any better.
So when Aokiji is responsible on Ohara, "he's just doing his job they are not innocent!"
But when Akainu does it, "He's evil and psychotic killing off women and children."
The double standard for Kuzan is very strong on this board.
>>139483148
You're an even worse baiter than the other guy.
>>139483203
Kuzan would have been fucking executed if he let saul go. It'd be pretty hard not to find the corpse of a fucking giant. You can't blame Kuzan for Sakazuki blowing up the fucking boat because Sakazuki never should have done it in the first place. The marines aren't ordered to kill civilians. They are ordered to kill traitors and criminals
>>139483329
Akainu go to bed
>>139483298
>Coby
>"Soru in front of fist" Coby
>"stammering heap of mess" Coby
>Luffy's Garp, Coby
You best be joking. It's fucking Fujitora.
>>139472159
I always thought the WG was the ones who rebelled and instilled themselves as the new leaders.
>>139483329
The scholars were criminals. The civilians on the escape boat weren't. Sakazuki went out of his way to blow up the civilian boat. The scholars got death becauss they were breaking laws. Kuzan did his job killing them, and even let one go. Sakazuki blew up people for living near the scholars. I know this is bait but you're being straight up retarded anon.
>>139483438
>>139483298
Forgot to add. Coby is what Kuzan was to Garp.
>>139483378
>It'd be pretty hard not to find the corpse of a fucking giant.
>A sea king suddenly came and ate him while nobody but me was looking, I swear!
>>139483438
Nah it'sGarp
>>139483527
>make an exact replica of saul out of ice
>let saul sail away
Its just crazy enough to work...
>>139473077
I have to say Zou has turned one piece up a notch. Its getting fucking brutal, named people are being mutilated and killed left and right.
>>139483666
>jack
>dead
>>139483611
Dozens of possible applications:
>Look at Kuzan, always so dilligent with the paperwork
>ice clone sitting at the desk
>>139483567
>Luffy's Garp is still Garp cause he's motherfucking Garp
God, a man can dream. I wish Garp just showed up out of nowehre here and there, beat the shit out of Luffy and/or Dragon, says something and leaves.
>>139483438
>>139483494
The parallels are there, you're all just delusional
Nami is big moms daughter and her real name is purin.
Screenshot this
>>139483478
A Buster Call entails the total annihilation of an island's inhabitants. This is stated in canon more than once.
Every inhabitant on the island was considered a criminal to the Marines. That's why Nico Robin was given a 79 million beli bounty as a child simply because she lived through it.
The island was bombarded indiscriminately from the start of the buster call.
>>139483751
>the papers always seem wet, sir
>ahaha it's uh, hot in my room. Sakazuki is just next doors, so you know, hahah, pulls collar nervously.
>>139483794
yes i shall screenshot it and add it to my folder of with screenshots of millions of other anons calling it
>>139483780
Solid argument. 10/10, I'm convinced.
>>139483815
>Every inhabitant on the island was considered a criminal to the Marines.
No they weren't. Only the scholars were.
They planned to escort all the civilians off the island like they did the marines after background checking them all but Sakaguchi went against orders and blew their ship up just in case of the possibility a single scholar went undetected.
>>139483220
I can't see Oda making him more powerful at this point. He got the two years of training and sure he has haki (even though he should have had it before) but at this point his power is much at its limit. Oda fucked the character up.
>>139483231
How? Training? He already did 2 years.....who would train this piece of shit this far into the story. Mind you the guy is pushing 40 which equates to your prime in One Piece land and so this guy is pretty much power crept.
>>139483378
So you're saying that Kuzan is a coward? Because when Usopp told Kizaru to back off of Zoro at Saboady, I doubt Usopp thought he'd survive it.
He could have arrested Saul rather than execute him. It's already shown on Punk Hazard (the ice walls) that he has the ability to put people in stasis using his ice logia.
So Kuzan was willing to fight Akainu to the death for Fleet Admiral, but not willing to risk his life after witnessing his peer mass murder the evacuation ship, when Saul's claims got proven true in front of his face?
>>139484000
>even though he should have had it before
Why would he?
He was a captain in East Blue. Not a Grand Line vice admiral.
>>139483875
There's no proof that he isn't the Garp, therefore he must be the Garp. Right anon?
>>139484000
He didn't "train". He just did his job and fought pirates. He didn't go in to hiding and actively think of new moves, lift weights, run into the sky, etc.
>>139484081
Makes sense to me.
>>139483815
>bring a civilian boat with them to escort citizens to safety and tell the citizens to get on it just to troll them
Are you fucking dumb?
>>139484191
You just described exactly what Akainu did.
Note that while Aokiji claimed to be abhorred, he did nothing about it, accepted his promotion, and worked side by side with Akainu for 20 more years.
>>139484020
>he could have arrested saul
>specifically ordered to kill saul
Fighting him at Ohara would have been stupid. Sakazuki was a powerless asshole back then. Kuzan disagreed, but fighting him would bring more trouble. Kuzan got his ass into gear when Sakazuki risked bringing his attitude to the entire marines.
>>139484279
Akainu wasn't the one putting citizens on the boat. Akainu was just the one who blew up the boat and then claimed it was an accident. You think Kuzan was going to pick a fight when he couldn't prove anything?
>>139484000
Either way he was severely underpowered for his age at the time
>>139484119
Again who would train him? And you really think it will 2 years for the strawhats to get to One Piece with how fast they are moving? By the time Smoker finishes his training, Luffy will be Yonkou level.
>>139481912
>within ten days the fight was the talk of the town around the world
>talk of the town around the world
Is that the best translation they could come up with?
Seems a little clunky to me.
>>139484481
I never said anyone will train anyone. You're the guy who said he should have Haki way too fucking early and that he apparently trained or some shit when all he has done is do his job. Nothing more, nothing less. I see him being stronger by actively jabbing at some Yonkou's subordinate, awakeming, getting his shit together, etc. Will it happen? Doubtful. Do I want it to happen? Very much so. That's all I'm saying.
>>139484646
You'd think 'word of the battle had spread across the world' would have been more obvious.
>>139484438
Except akainu did the right thing if even one criminal managed to get on that boat them destroying the island would have been completely pointless.
>>139484438
Friendly reminder that akainu didn't claim it was a accident but something needed
>>139485158
>right
You mean "right" from the WG's point of view, right?
>>139483033
>>139483298
>all this "history repeating itself" cliché shit
Luffy doesn't have a Garp. Luffy's story ending just as Rogers's would be the shittiest end.
>>139485506
Not him but stop being a faggot pussy. Pirates are bad the strawhats have fucked up a lot of shit. Unless reason you see them as good is because they are the main characters. Not everything is nice and perfect faggot. In what world do you live in.
>wooo go strawhats the good guys
>yeah!!! We got the bad guys good huh guys?
>aww they are so good
Shut the fuck up faggot. Get out of your little bubble
>>139485158
>if one escaped then them destroying the island would have been pointless
So you basically admit that what he was pointless
Whitebeard was super disappointing
>>139485744
>since he let Robin go Kuzan was responsible for Sakazuki killing innocent civilians for nothing
What a fucking dick.
>>139485719
>talking about pirates and not scholars.
Not him but maybe you should go read what he's talking about. No matter how you look at it the WG was the villian for blowing up a whole island just because they learned their dark secrets. Learning about the void century hurts no one but the WG.
>>139485866
who said anything about kuzan? I was talking about akainu. He said if he didn't blow up the boat it would make the whole thing pointless as one person could have escaped. So since Robin did escape it basically made the whole bombing pointless to him and just killed innocent civilians
>>139472555
How do you the angle?
>>139472673
>that bunny
>>139472703
you mean fucking awesome
>>139486052
Monet next nakama confirmed
>>139485719
What the actual fuck you are talking about, i'm talking about the Marine killing hundred of innocent people just because, maybe, just maybe, there's some scholar there.
Also, its pretty clear that the SH never did something bad.
>>139485886
Same shit faggot I was just talking in general. I know you faggots think like that
>hurr hurr marines are the bad guys
>gooooo strawhats wooooo
What a bunch of pussies. Unless you're a underage faggot you shouldn't be thinking like that. Because we know both sides have shitty people. If one piece was fron the point of view of the marines, they would rarely show you good pirates because reality check faggot,there's only a few of them. All they would show would be the blackbeards and all the shit they do.
>>139485990
>who said anything about kuzan?
I did, clearly.
>>139485719
>In what world do you live in.
We're talking about a childrens adventure comic where ever other story arc involves the main cast saving a country and being treated as its heroes while facing off with a government that's been portrayed as cartoonishly evil and run by a group of kings who sit in thrones made of human slaves.
Stop bringing real world morality into a comic book read by 8 year olds.
>>139471529
What was the whale tree saying?
>>139485719
well, Luffy always considered himself neutral.
>>139474340
could be worse
>>139486677I think you were supposed to give an example of something that might be considered worse.
>>139472097
>Shanks was searching for someone else with the Will of D. as they are guaranteed to know the voice of all things.
Not sure that it is a guarantee but I would not be surprised if Shanks didn't know much of what the Roger pirates discovered. If all the info was projected into Roger's head he might have only told his most trusted crew mates. Wouldn't surprise me if Shanks had selfish reasons for acting fatherly to Luffy.
We also still don't know why he was near Blackbeard enough to get that scar. Blackbeard should have been ten times weaker than Shanks at anypoint they met.
>>139485719
> the strawhats have fucked up a lot of shit
Like?
Because so far:
>Luffy saves a cruise ship
>beats a corrupt marine captain
>saves a town from Buggy and his crew
>saves Kaya from Kuro
>saves Baratie from Krieg
>saves the entirety of East Blue from Arlong
>deposed the corrupt king of Drum Island
>saved the lives of the giants on Whiskey Peak
>beat Crocodile who not only conquered a kingdom but was out to destroy the WG
>beat Enel who was trying to destroy Sky Island
>beat CP9 who were just government sanctioned criminals
>beat Moria who was trying to garner strength to become a full-fledged pirate once more
>saved Camie/Hachi from the Celestial Dragon
>beat Hody and saved the royal family in Fishman Island
>saved the poisoned kids at Punk Hazard
>beat Doffy who was obviously fucking everything up at Dressrosa
And now they're going to go beat Kaidou who has taken over Wano.
The SHs are the good guys.
>>139486760
>the strawhats are the good
Wew,lad thank you for telling me. I had doubts if they were the main characters or not
>>139486913
Not every MC is good.
>>139486913
Yeah man it's almost like some retard made the claim that the SHs have fucked things up for people in the series
>>139486757
>What aches now is this scar! From your man, Blackbeard Teach!
-Shanks to Whitebeard.
My opinion is that the "enemy ship" that the red hair pirates raided to obtain Gomu Gomu, as mentioned in chapter 1, was the Moby Dick.
>>139487072
well they did. for the bad guys.
>>139486913
So why don't you tell us all of the terrible malicious things the Strawhts did, all right kiddo?
>>139487072
>thinking like this
Yeah because Oda will show is the strawhats killed some innocent people even if it was an accident. Oda would show that right? Reminder the this is a manga and it's fake.
>>139487140
Luffy let Buggy and Crocodile out of Impel Down I guess
>>139487140
>somebody claims some esoteric knowledge"esoteric" because it doesn't exist
>people keep egging him on to share said knowledge
>no answer ever
Trolling 101.
>>139487114
Good possibility. Still, BB should have been so much weaker than Shanks that it is hard to imagine him damaging him.
>>139487223
You're right I forgot to include all the offscreen pillaging, murders, and raping.
I'm sure Robin has held many a man down with her fruit and forcibly ridden them til they collapse from exhaustion, while Nami steals their valuables and Usopp kills their kids.
>>139487140
IF one piece was in the point of view of the marines. Oda would of have write the story saying. " some vicious pirates attacked enies lobby and killed many marines to rescue another vicious pirate" but hey too bad the marines are not the main characters right?
>>139487389
>I'm sure Robin has held many a man down with her fruit and forcibly ridden them til they collapse from exhaustion
>>139487302
Shanks also stated to Whitebeard that Teach hid his power level the whole time he was on that ship. The obvious exception to that being when he scarred Shanks face.
Teach was already at least as strong as Thatch before he had any devil fruit. I agree this is still way to weak to be scarring Shanks in the face in a fair match, but I think it went like this based on what we've seen of Teach's ability to tank damage:
>Shanks stabs Teach fatally through the heart
>Instead of dying, Blackbeard is barely damaged, the unreal surprise of this allows him to grab Shanks sword with one hand, and slash his face with the other.
>>139487389
this. doujinshi are canon
>>139487395
Luffy met and befriended Coby before he met and befriended Zoro.
>>139487302
Was Shanks a Yonkou back then, or even on the same level as today?
And maybe the implication is that BB just has always been a monster, and that his overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.
>>139487389
muh dick
>>139487627
I see no reason to believe that 25 year old Blackbeard was weaker than Luffy is now, other than lacking a devil fruit.
>>139487627
he probably was much weaker all those years ago, but still, the main factor could have been that he wasn't expecting Teach to be that strong.
I mean, he did lose an arm to a low tier sea king due to timing, it's not impossible that teach scarred him due to underestimation
>>139487395
But he did. This is what the Marine and WG said to the world about the Ennies Lobby, jesus, they even allowed the burster call rekt everything, with marines or not.
>>139487551
I believe shanks mentioned that his getting cut was not from carelessness.
>>139487727
He didn't use haki and he didn't have a df so he cannot be that strong.
Shanks got the scar before he even created the red haired pirates because their flag has the scar on it.
>>139486260
>marines are bad guys
No one said the marines are bad guys. As one of the gorsei said they're just but a small piece in the whole thing. But for you to be over here crying because we've criticized akainu is crazy.
You can say whatever you want, but he is a bad guy. Killing ace and trying to kill luffy, ok that's cool since as you've said they are pirates and in that world pirates are the villians to the normal world. But once you start killing innocent civilians based on a "what if" then you're evil. Killing your own men just because they're afraid of death and wants to see their family or wants to stop the war to help the thousands of other Soilders that could be saved. Now the WG is evil just as pirates are. Mostly everything they've done is dirty and corrupt.
>>139485866
Aokiji is the worst admiral what a fucking lunatic l
>>139488497
This. Doflamingo said himself "Whoever won this was, it will be justice".
>>139488240
>He didn't use haki
How do you know that? Shanks is a haki master and he states that Blackbeard is very strong.
>>139488240
>directly stated by Shanks that he intentionally hid his power level for 20 years.
>We never saw him use haki so he doesn't have it
Just wow.
>>139488642
>war
>>139487223
>fucks everything up yet every island treats them as hero and nobody complains.
Maybe have you ever thought they don't kill anyone? Like you said it's a manga so oda cN write it as people just so happens to never be around when shit lands
>>139488648
>>139488757
I realize you may have just picked up One Piece but we've actually seen BB fight. Not just as a background underling in WB's crew but a real fight against Ace, a skirmish against Magellan, and later at Marineford. Never once did he use haki and in his fight against Ace his only witnesses were his own crew.
Chances are he uses it now because his journey parallels Luffy's.
>>139488497
Um i agree anon but akainu was right because Robin was going to get on that ship. And I'm sure he was not always like that. Something happen where he started believing in absolute justice..
Also I'm glad you're a smart person and admit he trying to kill ace and Luffy and all the pirates was him doing the right thing. There are people that claim he is bad because he killed ace and tried to kill Luffy. Those are the people I was talking shit about.
>>139488497
Your superior has the right to execute you if you flee from war. It is high treason. That's it.
Oda is really rushing it at this point isn't he?
>>139488927
>but akainu was right because Robin was going to get on that ship
But she dindt and he could just check for scholar in the ship later, but no.
I'm talking like that about him, because both him and WG has no regards about innocent people/common people and this is the main point about Revolutionary army.
>>139489176
depends. if a yonkou is defeated in the next 100-120 chapters then yes.
>>139488923
>his journey parallels Luffy's
>>139489176
>20 years of serialization
>18,000+ pages of his story
>rushing
No he's just not trying to have a permanent serialization like a superman comic. Instead, One Piece is a story which eventually has a conclusion.
>>139489248
Like I said he was not like that all his life. Also don't put him like he is bad like the WG because he is not. He hates evil. Do you not remember when he was pissed at the WG because of what Doflamingo did?
Why is Zoro an atheist?
>>139489176
What in the hell even gives you this impression?
>>139489706
Is it because of pic related?
>>139489275
This VERSUS 4 EMPEROUR arc.
IF this shit doesn't last a minimum of 200 chapters this shit will be considered rushed by one piece standards
>>139489706
>>139489764
He will start believing when tashigi tells him the truth.
>>139489790
It's a saga.
>>139489764
If Kuina > Zoro and a flight of stairs > Kuina are a flight of stairs > Zoro by transitivity?
>>139489790
it is not an arc it is a saga
>>139489790
200? Isn't that too low? I mean dressrosa was 100.. I expect vs the most strongest pirates last longer or idk because we still need blank century story arc unless is tied up with one of the yonkos. Maybe shanks
>>139489790
It's a saga that's at the very least going to include Whole Cake Island and Wano, and will only be dealing with the two emperors who've been actively involved with the Strawhats since the end of Fishman Island
How is that rushing
>>139489706
because he doesn't belive in god?
What was with asura zuro?
>>139489314
>starts under a yonko
>both D.'s
>both have the same goal
>Mocktown incident shows similar philosophy on life
>both begin with tight-knit small crews
>both considered 'up-and-comers' around the same time (BB was going to capture Luffy to get recognition)
>they intersect again at Impel Down
>WB makes it clear that Roger's will is between Luffy and BB (claiming BB doesn't have it).
>as soon as we discover that BB's crew has grown to include divisions Luffy also gets his own division.
Their recognition and power have risen with each other and the smaller crew makes them parallels. BB got more done in the two year skip but from the moment we heard BB talk about his dreams and goals it was clear Oda was making them parallels.
>>139489790
>200 chapters
>for 4 yonko
that would also be rushed as shit
>>139489879
>200? Isn't that too low? I mean dressrosa was 100..
If every arc from here on out needs to be as insanely padded and long as Dressrosa I'll drop this series.
Who the hell wants that?
>because we still need blank century story arc unless is tied up with one of the yonkos. Maybe shanks
The void century is endgame anon.
>>139490027
Do you really think Shanks and Blackbeard are going to go down this arc
>>139488923
Didn't he outright comment that Luffy's haki had improved at Impel Down?
I find that idea that BB, a man considered commander level amongst the strongest pirate crew on earth, would not have haki when the marines won't let people become even VAs without it.
>>139490036
Dressrosa's chapters were not used wisely. But the worst thing that could happen is straight-up brawls of SH or Supernovas vs Yonkos. Law made it seem like they needed to chip away at the Yonko's to even have a fighting chance at one of them. And taking down the SMILE factory seemed like a long-term plan of weakening Kaido relative to the other powers.
>>139490036
Dressrosa was not padded, it had a ton of things going on and a ton of characters.
>>139490165
Laws plan was that Kaidou kills Doflamingo
How the fuck do the marines actually get anything done? They get wrecked every fucking time.
>>139490027
I don't understand where the rushing part comes in.
At this point Oda would have to contrive to make his story last longer, instead he's just letting it naturally roll, over at least several more years, to its conclusion.
If you believe that it's good writing for Luffy to solo each Yonko one at a time for the next decade then you're just being hopeful because you don't want the story to end.
Everything hints at the conflict being above and beyond just Luffy, so all the major forces will collide with each other at once.
It would be bad writing for Oda to suddenly change his stated plan to have a great war that dwarfs marineford if Luffy is just gonna go KO Big Mom, KO Kaido, KO Shanks, and then KO Blackbeard with each having their own saga.
>>139490110
Even Ace had 'haki' in the way you're using it. But he never learned how to use it as a weapon and he was appointed to a commander position.
BB clearly has 'haki' because all haki is is will. But he doesn't know how to use it like a top-tier fighter does, at least he did not before the time-skip.
>>139490260
Well Law didn't really care about taking down Kaido so long as Doflamingo died. However, he did say, and I believe that he was telling the truth, that they only had a very slim chance of taking down a yonkou and had to attack first in indirect ways.
>>139479787
he saved smoker too
>>139488923
>Never once did he use haki.
He didn't use haki vs Ace because he didn't need to. Ace had come there with the intent to kill Blackbeard, but was completely outclassed. He also didn't use it because he was emphatic on demonstrating the greatness of the Yami Yami to Ace, and hoping to recruit him to his crew.
We did NOT see his second fight with Magellan. In his first encounter, it was not a fight, it was just him being instantly KOd.
He did imply that he had CoC at Mock Town, when he made a comment about Luffy's.
I do like the idea of the Blackbeard Pirates being the anti mages though. Like it would be cool if Van Auger didn't use CoO at all to shoot beyond the horizon line and kill those seagulls before the straw hats arrived at Mock Town, a feat which Usopp had said was impossible.
People keep trying to claim this will be a saga when it clearly said arc. Hell 100 chapters would be enough to finish this arc. It's called "vs the 4 yonkou" not the strawhats vs the four yonko.
And that's exactly what we are getting. BB is fighting the RA, luffy is about to go take on big mom in a mission four sanji (even if they don't fight directly), then we will have kaido fight in wano. Only person I don't know how he will play in is shanks. If kid is locked up then I don't see him asking kaido for her help to take down shanks. But yeah we pretty much are up against all the yonkos this arc. And BB vs the RA will more then likely be like aces and show a bit but the rest is off screen
>>139488923
>>139490614
I agree with you that his journey parallels Luffy's.
>>139490643
>People keep trying to claim this will be a saga when it clearly said arc
It is a mistranslation
>>139490101
Just Drrressrosa alone was more than 100. 200 for two yonko would be nothing.
>>139490643
Ace's fight with Blackbeard was like 99.9% on screen. It panned away once they both did their ultimate attack and the only thing that remained of Ace was his hat.
>>139490785
>Using the longest arc in the series by far which makes up an eighth of the entire comic as the baseline for how long an arc should be
>>139490643
Kidd might convince kaido to fight shanks, and he might leave wano for that reason
Rev vs bb
Straw hats vs big mam
Kaido vs shanks
>>139488923
Aokiji has never been shown using haki on panel. Therefore he doesn't have it.
Haki was somewhat hidden and CoA was never drawn before Shanks blocked Akainu's magma (or at least it was first shown around this time in the manga).
Blackbeard's fights were all before that, so it seems very ignorant to claim that someone as strong and gifted as he is had no haki. Whitebeard was stated as using haki but it also wasn't drawn in his fights.
>>139490643
>People keep trying to claim this will be a saga when it clearly said arc.
Who clearly said arc? The one who translated that page? In Japanese there is only one word for saga/arc.
>>139491028
>wow the 3 admirals used haki to stop white beards attack
HI spee d reader
>>139490643
It doesn't matter to me whether its called a saga or an arc. Isn't dressrosa almost as long as some sagas?
>>139491093
Actually it was just to deflect, and you speedread my post on top of that:
>*(or at least it was first shown around this time in the manga).*
In other words you're just confirming my statements. Barely any of the CoA was really drawn at Marineford, even though it was stated that lots of people had it/were using it.
Whitebeard's CoA was never drawn, and in fact people did try and claim he had no haki in the past, but fortunately it was stated that he had it.
>>139490614
>>139490677
I find it hard to believe that in all these instances we've seen him getting btfo that he hasn't used armament haki. From the instant KO versus Magellan to the beatdown by WB he had enough time to use whatever CoA he could.
There isn't much evidence but I simply don't think his character traits allow for CoC. Then again, I have a pet theory that the yami yami was not actually eaten by him and that he uses CoC to hear the 'voice' of whatever it was eaten by. The chances of that are very slim though.
I could see him as using CoO, which might explain another reason why he wanted the yami yami so bad because he knew he'd only have one type of haki in his arsenal. Might explain why his plans work out so well also.
>>139491280
I find it hard to believe that regular bullets pierced Whitebeard's CoA.
>>139491028
>>139491263
As >>139491093 mentioned, the admirals used CoA.
The thing you're missing is that Aokiji was never shown in a serious fight prior to his use of haki. We only saw him completely destroy the Straw Hats. BB on the other hand got his ass handed to him multiple times, up to an including the introduction of armament haki as such.
I am not expecting a panel of BB going back in Mocktown. All I am saying is, even after haki was going to be a sure thing in its current form (Amazon Lily), BB was thoroughly btfo multiple times and never showed any kind of haki.
>>139491312
He was missing half his skull speedracer. CoA is not something that is always 'on'.
>>139491431
Blackbeard was the first character to use the word haki in the story.
>>139490843
Well yeah if that happens then will will have all four yonko fighting
>>139491512
Neither part of your post refutes what I said. With half his skull missing he was fucking shit up just fine and he maintained his mind's acuity as well as his willpower until his dying breath. Him fighting with only half a face proves at least that much.
>>139491312
Well, he is old, really old.
>>139490386
>BB clearly has 'haki' because all haki is is will. But he doesn't know how to use it like a top-tier fighter does, at least he did not before the time-skip.
>But he doesn't know how to use it like a top-tier fighter does, at least he did not before the time-skip.
That's entirely speculation.
That is entirely your opinion.
>>139490833
nigga, Doffy was jsut a warlord, like 2 tier below the weakest yonko.
>>139491280
>took barely damage from the entire fight
>beat down by whitebeard
I guess you forgot how after that 'beat down' Blackbeard was barely damaged to the point that he went and challenged Sengoku and Garp right afterward and started sinking Marineford?
Blackbeard has haki on the basis that he is the first character in the story to mention it, but also stated to hide his power level.
No other argument needs to be made.
>>139478024
Eating their own shit.
>>139492053
I read the story differently than you. I saw Doflamingo as a kind of underground yonko. His business model was just different, and he was definitely weaker in a fight than the real deal, but I just don't see that as a reason to discount him as being weak. He clearly wasn't.
>>139492053
Damn anon did you not see how fast they slapped those chains on Doflamingo the second he went down?
>>139491678
You didn't read Marineford outside of the wiki did you?
WB was stabbed through by a sword at full health because he was unprepared. His skin is not rock and he doesn't use CoA at all times. His eyes were black right before he got shot like he was out of energy. He had even thought before BB showed up "I can hold out for a little longer'. After that thought he fought multiple enemies and clashes briefly with Kizaru. He gave his 'final captain's order' before he even had that last battle with Akainu. He had one foot in the grave before half his skull was melted off. He was practically dead when BB fought him.
>>139492027
That he did not use it before the time skip is not my opinion or speculation. He never used armament haki before the time skip. WB even told him he defense was his weakpoint.
Haki was specifically described as 'will' and was often translated as 'ambition' or 'will' before it became clear that it was a recurring type of power in the series.
>>139492108
WB dominated him in their brief fight. BB has never been put down for long though. His stamina is one of his most notable assests.
CoA was drawn black after timeskip so that readers can identify it.
Are we having another Haki autismwar?
>>139473077
>Jack:OH DEAR NEPTUNE!
>>139473326
>Wan pisu
>Die
Pick one
>>139492872
>at full health
Since WB was sick, he never was at full health
How long till SaNafags get EPIC btfo
>>139491678
CoA isn't the same as steel. Luffy still bled when Hody bit him. Doffy bled just by grabbing Law's sword. WB was old as hell. It stnds to reson that his Haki pool was smaller than normal.
>>139492985
Yeah, can't wait until Ace comes back....oh
>>139472015
there will never be enoughlewdfeet of her
>>139493121
>>139493121
>>139493121
NEW THREAD
>>139493148
Kill yourself
>>139493118
Never? Only because you LuNafags got BTFO doesn't mean we will
>>139492872
>You didn't summarize the entire arc so you didn't read it
Whitebeard was already below full health before Squardo stabbed him, thus his crew's reaction to him removing his IVs.
Whitebeard did dominate Blackbeard in terms of skill in combat. But not in terms of dealing effective damage, since his attacks barely hurt Blackbeard at all other than causing a severe pain reaction.
I may be mistaken, and you're accusing me of not reading an arc, but I was under the impression that Whitebeard said that Blackbeard's arrogance was his weakness, not his defense. In other words, Blackbeard's defense is so strong, he doesn't block or dodge attacks out of arrogance. This arrogance being his weakness is consistent with his first encounter with Magellan.
>>139493287
REAL NEW THREAD
>>139493287
REAL NEW THREAD
>>139493287
REAL NEW THREAD
>>139493148
yappari
sasuga sanji fag
>>139493323
Get your shit thread out of here
>>139493121
>>139493121
>>139493121
REAL THREAD
>>139493148
>>139493323
>two new threads
This is what gives this manga (anything, really) a bad name.
>>139493323
i vote for this one
>>139493391
FUCK OFF YOU CANCEROUS SHIPPERFAGGOT AND KILL YOURSELF
>>139493413
I would have not made a second thread if that shipping cancer would have not made one
>>139472555
The poneglyphs were probably moved from their original location
