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>>139378235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
When you know what pain is, and when you have to make a choice, you learn that it is a decision. People think it's a fairytale thing, love and happiness, but you have to work hard. And then - you feel it deeply.
What kind of explanation is that. Is it hu or fu now
>>139425613
It's fu. Hu isn't a thing.
>almost 1488
>>139425613
what fucking shitty website are you learning from
Fucking realkana and anki. You don't need anything else
Reminder we will all surely become fluent
>>139425613
How fucked am I if I never learned to pronounce this properly and have just been saying fu? Will I be able to show my face in Japan?
>>139425613
It's hu and fu at the same time.
>>139425678
Ah okay. He said it's the katakan for hu which confused me..
>>139425747
It uses mnemonics + drag n drop to teach you, which helped me learn hiragana quick. I like it. I'm almost done with kana then I'm gonna move on from the site anyways
>>139425809
The pronunciation is different from word to word so you'll inevitably look like a fool anyway
>>139425809i-it isn't fu?
>>139425809
How fucked are nihonjins when they can't say R or L properly?
>>139425957
It is but the F sound isn't the same as the English F sound. It's a lot softer and kinda like H but sounds like F.
>>139425962
Pretty fucked. They sound mentally deficient when they try to speak English.
How do I determine whether the らりるれろ sounds are supposed to make something closer to an R or closer to an L? I've noticed that it's more like an L when it's at the beginning of a word.
>>139426266
Just listen to Japanese.
If you've watched enough animu you should know what らりるれろ sounds like so just imitate that.
On Anki, if I import a card with the same front but changes in the back, I thought it would change it. Instead, it seems like it's just not adding them. What can I do to change that?
Whoever gets a Japanese name will be able to learn Japanese, everyone else won't.
>>139426476
I know what it sounds like and my native language has a pretty similar R sound. Just wondering if there is a pattern. It's certainly not one sound that's between L and R, it changes depending on the word.
>>139426628
Jokes on you I gave up a long time ago I just come into the thread to discourage new learners
>>139426628
>implying there are japanese names
>>139426628
俺之名前：装甲・炎魔。
読み方：そうこう・ほのま
Why does my か always look wrong to me?
Help
>I can finally read a bit of easy nhk news
I never thought that reading about increased tomatoes prices could be exciting.
>>139427216
Because your stroke order is wrong.
>>139427216
Your お looks worse than your か
>>139427339
I'm copying the stroke order from Wikipedia.
>>139427360
I thought they looked pretty good...
Help me decide whether I should read my LN or chill out with some aria lads
>>139427360
Don`t you mean his あ? His お were good at the top.
>>139427417
Check this one out, helped me a lot with my handwriting.
>>139427511
Didn't notice it at first, but yeah, it's pretty bad too.
>>139427216
Your handwriting is fine, don't listen to faggy edgelords on /a/ who couldn't do it themselves anyway
>>139427511
My hand was pretty sore by the last お, so they suffered pretty hard. I'd done 20 each of あいうえ and their katakana equivalents (which I can't figure out how to type on my phone) by then.
So if my earlier ones were good, I'm happy.
My き is coming out worst of all...
>>139427417
Then do it like the nip children do it; get a sheet meant just for writing individual kana.
You know, those squares that are broken into 4 smaller ones to give you a sense o positioning.
>>139427705
>My き is coming out worst of all...
Are you writing your き the same way it shows up in these posts or like the one here >>139427648 ? It`s easier to do it like in that guy`s pic.
By the way, you`re in for one hell of a ride if you intend to write the kanji as well.
>>139427743
What I really need is one that starts out with tracing. I'll have to find/print one like that later.
>>139427872
>Are you writing your き the same way it shows up in these posts or like the one here
I was doing it like the font.
>By the way, you`re in for one hell of a ride if you intend to write the kanji as well.
O-one bridge at a time, senpai
>>139427969
http://japanese-lesson.com/resources/pdf/characters/hiragana_writing_practice_sheets.pdf
>>139427872
I think the difficulty of writing kanji is overestimated. You'll get good at it pretty fast.
>>139427969
It's harder to write き like in the font, better switch now so you don't have to change your habits later on.
Trace sheets:
http://japanese-lesson.com/resources/pdf/characters/hiragana_writing_practice_sheets.pdf
What is a reasonable number of new vocab words per day?
>>139428414
>>139427969
Kanji seems like this intimidating mountain to beginners, but it's really not all that hard once you get into it. There is only so many different strokes + radicals, just arranged in different ways.
After you're done it's like "the fuck, I thought kanji was supposed to be the hard part" and you realize how foolish you actually were.
Just do things consistently and you'll be fine.
>>139428414
6 seems pretty reasonable, staying away from 7 and all
>コンセント
>wall socket
Really now?
>>139428506
>wanting to take 1000 days to learn the 2k
okay
>>139428414
I did 20 for a while, but you soon get thousands of reviews, so I dropped to 5, it is perfect. I get at most 300 reviews per day.
>>139428414
20~50 for most depending on how much time you have. Some do really high numbers for short periods (100+). Breaking the learning into chunks of 10~20 at a time generally helps.
Expect the number of new cards added daily to multiply by 10 in terms of reviews after 2~3 weeks.
Also, remember that keeping up your daily reviews is MORE IMPORTANT than learning x number of cards a day. If you're getting backlogged and struggling to make it through all your reviews, take a day or two off of new cards to keep things under control.
>>139428588
The hard part is being consistent with the size of your hand written kanji. Writing 子 and 難 can be tricky if you want them to occupy roughly the same amount of space.
>>139428818
He's not doing core 20k, mate.
>>139419335
Aren't は and ま the wrong way round here?
IIRC あかさたなまはやらわん
>>139429157
dunno if that means anything but realkana puts ha before ma
>>139426792
I'm not sure about normal conversational Japanese but at least in songs it seems like they just use whatever sound they think fits the most. I think there's at least some variation from person to person on the same word too.
>>139428881
It helps to either use the specialized paper for learning kanji (grid divided into 4 smaller squares) or just plain larger graph paper.
There is a printable version of the large one here:
http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/custom/centimeter-black.pdf
>>139429277
Yeah, a quick google reveals I had remembered that part the wrong way round.
>>139428808
Concentric. It comes from power connectors where the contacts were concentric - a pin and a ring, for example.
http://www.geocities.jp/nk1028nk/a121113a.html
>>139427495
>>139426601
No one?
>he thinks he will have a cute handwriting when he sucks at roman alphabet
lmaoing at you america
>>139429456
Japan really is stuck in the past.
>>139429895
Fuck off Estella no one likes you
I might just study today thanks to this shit theme.
>>139430102
Theme?
>>139429895
>cute
Bitch I just want to write it decently.
I completed memorization of kana today!
Is there any proper order to learn now, or do I just do vocab / grammar / kanji side by side? I've got the core2k/6k anki set up as well as Tae Kim bookmarked. Anything else?
>>139430392
It depends on how good do you want to be.
If you just want to be good enough to read porn, studying via vocab is more efficient.
If you want to truly master the language, studying the kanji individually is better. The road is steep though.
>>139430392
Focus more on kanji for a bit if you find that vocab is becoming too difficult.
Try to get through basic grammar faster rather than slower as well, so you can start reading interesting stuff (likely yotsuba& at first) rather than just grind vocab forever.
>>139430392
>Tae Kim bookmarked
Oh shit, charlene's serious
Remove the review limit on anki, ignore anon's altered anki statistics, set up a text hooker for VNs and start reading VNs or manga as soon as you want
Which is better, Sanseido or Shinmeikai? My impression is that Shinmeikai is only really popular for meme definitions. Also, has anyone tried the Android apps?
>>139430558
If you want to learn Japanese, study vocabulary
If you want to learn epic memeonics, study kanjitachis
>>139430558
>>139430601
>>139430633
Thanks! Guess I'm gonna grind a couple dozen vocab then start reading Tae Kim.
>Focus more on kanji for a bit if you find that vocab is becoming too difficult.
Is there another of those anki stacks for essential single kanji rather than vocab? Can I have a link? I don't think it is in the anki startup guide.
>>139431122
Oh and besides changing reviews to 9999, is this fine? I'll adjust new cards as I go, I'm mostly curious about what intervals are optimal
this april fool thing is really appropriate for djt i think
>>139431122
For info on kanji check the guide under
Learning Japanese > Benefits & Drawbacks of Learning Kanji
It's up to you if you want to focus on kanji or not, but it's generally helpful if you're confusing similar looking ones or having trouble learning new vocab.
>>139431262
Some people change the Steps (in minutes) to 1 1 10 20 or 1 1 10 30
This just means that anki will show you new cards additional times, the repetition helps some with initial learning of vocab.
>>139430392
Do vocab and grammar side by side, but prioritise grammar. Fuck studying kanji individually.
I actually love this theme, it's great. I hope it is available in the drop-down theme select menu from tomorrow on; I never use 4chan in public because it would be obvious that I was doing so, but if this were available then it would be perfect for inconspicuous browsing.
Is there an equivalent of Kanji Damage with mnemonics that aren't complete garbage?
Should I use romaji input for typing or Kana input?
>>139431772
Buy a kana keyboard
>>139431849
i live in nipland so my keyboard comes with Kana
>>139431672
so, hows your japanese going?
>>139431739
make your own
>>139431739
what is it, you dont like memes from 2002?
How the fuck do you reset a deck in anki, or keep learning after the limit without adding new stuff
>>139431739
RTK
>>139432266
Copy your deck before you start, so when you finish one you can start the other.
>>139432463
How do you copy?
>>139432654
COPY LOUD AND CLEAR LIMA CHARLIE
>>139432654
How do you copy?
>>139432654
read each bit and copy it over to the new address
>>139432735
>>139432819
>>139432826
please no memes
>>139432735
Houston you are coming in five by five, over.
charlie bravo everyone is fucken gay
How about a little survey?
Current age:
Age you started studying Japanese:
What level you consider yourself at:
What is the "hardest" VN that you've read comfortably?:
Goals, if any, for this year:
私わ本気
>>139433483
私は日本！！
>>139429644
Is this good
I have the anime downloaded
>>139433286
>Current age:
20
>Age you started studying Japanese:
18
>What level you consider yourself at:
Toddlers have a larger vocab than me
>What is the "hardest" VN that you've read comfortably?:
None
>Goals, if any, for this year:
To kill myself, or learn enough jap to be comfortable with moege, whichever comes first.
>>139433602
Two years and you can't read moege? Have you been slacking anon?
>>139433644Got through 2k before having a 2 week break. Biggest mistake of my life desu. I'm just now getting towards 1k again, it's ever so slightly easier because I already remember a handful of words I get shown a day. Still need to tackle the grammar though, only just finished the Basic section of Tae Kim.
>>139433286
>Current age:
19
>Age you started studying Japanese:
19. I at one point a few years ago started studying but didn't get very far.
>What level you consider yourself at:
Early Beginner
>What is the "hardest" VN that you've read comfortably?:
None of them
>Goals, if any, for this year:
Miss less than 5 days of studying.
>>139433286
69
2
おれわにっぽんとおかまなんだけどね
最果てのイマ because it was really hard to make myself do it due to it being boring as fuck and dense. i got it romeo all your readers are idiots thanks for the heads up
goal is to revolutionize djt
>Current age:
19
>Age you started studying Japanese:
17
>What level you consider yourself at:
Pretty good, not great
>What is the "hardest" VN that you've read comfortably?:
Probably 水平線まで何マイル I guess, if by "comfortably" you meant as in "barely using a texthooker".
>Goals, if any, for this year:
My goal was to finish reading LOGH. Its hard to have goals when all you do is read and slowly accumulate vocabulary.
>>139433751
I'm sure you know by now, Estelle, but never take breaks
>>139433751
>1k into 2k/6k
>only now starting essential grammar
haha shit nigga
>>139433751
>two years and just now tackling grammar
What in the fuck...? It's no fucking wonder you can't read shit. Seriously people, this is why you need to study grammar with your vocab.
>>139433858
>>139433871
But if I avoid actually reading Japanese and just focus on Anki then I feel like I'm seconds from fluency. It's a nice feeling. A fake feeling, but a nice feeling.
>>139433846
>I'm sure you know by now, Estelle, but never take breaks
I know, I just wish I knew before.
>>139433972
so this is what they call Kanji hell...
>>139433871
There've been a lot of fucking retards in these threads this year. You would be hard pressed to find idiots doing Genki or whatever flavour-of-the-month bullshit learning method but there are lots of people posting about that and less people giving sound advice on doing core and mining ASAP.
Then again, it's probably some superautist spamming the thread or running some sort of 'experiment' again.
>>139433972
>if I avoid actually reading Japanese and just focus on Anki then I feel like I'm seconds from fluency
You're a retard, Samantha
So do most of you learn vocab without mnemonics in anki? You just look at them then try to remember them?
>>139434241
>You would be hard pressed to find idiots doing Genki or whatever flavour-of-the-month bullshit learning method in 2015*
>>139434241
>make such a bad decision that anon thinks I'm just an autist making shit up
>>139434275Suck a dick Shaun
>>139434241
>There've been a lot of fucking retards in these threads this year.
such as david gray
>>139434363
I wish namefags would fuck off
>>139434296
>You just look at them then try to remember them?
well...yes?
>>139433286
25
24
Upper babby lower intermediate
I've read a bunch without much trouble, but the only one I actually read to the end isいなかえっち
Just finished Dark Souls 3 in Japanese, though, does that count?
Not much goals, probably beat SMT Final and Persona 5 in Japanese and read Island when it comes out, the trial was really fun.
>>139433286
>Current age:
18
>Age you started studying Japanese:
14, but halfheartedly and gave up, 17 on this attempt
>What level you consider yourself at:
Middle beginner
>What is the "hardest" VN that you've read comfortably?:
Hanahira
>Goals, if any, for this year:
Read Flyable Heart (unless I end up hating it and dropping it), mine at least 5000 words
>>139434464
yeah i just spend all day staring at the flashcards all like じ～ but then when i close anki i dont actually know how to do anything and i think it will just get better the more i do this
>>139434296
Yes. If that fails to work a couple of times then I'll try and match what it looks like to the word in some way. For example 今夜 I remember as "bitches are gonna CON-YA tonight". Failing that I'll repeat them forever until I get so tired that I ask /djt/ if they are even used often and it one person says "no" then I susspend the card and pretend I am not a useless cunt who できない
>>139434493
How was DS3? Better than 2?
>>139434296
Like 70% without mnemonics and 30% by drawing connections to other kanji/coming up with mnemonics when there's an obvious one or I'm really having trouble
>>139434493
>いなかえっち
How is it? I like the look of the art, would you recommend it to a beginner?
>>139434567
>but then when i close anki i dont actually know how to do anything and i think it will just get better the more i do this
It will, that's how Anki works.
>>139434606
>Better than 2?
By a fucking mile, it's great.
>>139434773
If you like the art then sure, it's a braindead nukige.
>>139434914
>If you like the art then sure, it's a braindead nukige.
Nevermind I was looking at https://vndb.org/v13228 I'll still give the otehr a shot at some point though
>>139433286
>Current age:
25
>Age you started studying Japanese:
24 (2 months before turning 25)
>What level you consider yourself at:
Early Beginner
>What is the "hardest" VN that you've read comfortably?:
None.
>Goals, if any, for this year:
Finish the year being able to read non-chuuni LNs without much trouble.
>>139433286
>Current age:
31
>Age you started studying Japanese:
31
>What level you consider yourself at:
Kindergarten
>What is the "hardest" VN that you've read comfortably?:
N/A
>Goals, if any, for this year:
Study until my curiosity is satisfied, then quit
>>139435004
What LNs are you looking forward to? Just curious.
Are LNs generally harder than VNs? Or are they the same? I'm thinking VN might be a bit easier with voices and all.
>>139434914
I didn't even play 2, I quit 6 hours in since I wasn't having fun. Should I try playing 2 again before 3 or just not even bother?
>>139434914
Sweet. I'm still waiting for the official release since I'm not really interested in playing it in japanese.
>>139435324
>not really interested in playing it in japanese
And that's how you fail to learn Japanese, boys.
>>139435228
Play the first game, 2 is a fucking piece of shit that shouldn't have existed.
>>139435400
Not him
I played Demons Souls in Japanese. Wasn't particularly worth it. Localized dialogue was actually superior to the original dialogue.
>>139435430
I did play DS1 ~2 years ago because DS2 was then coming out soon. I thought it was a fucking masterpiece, easily one of the best games ever made. Then DS2 was very disappointing. I look forward to DS3 based on your impressions of it, although I may need to upgrade my computer first.
>>139435400
I listen to music in japanese, fap to works written in japanese, read japanese comics, do japanese flashcards every day and unconsciously review phrases in my head. On top of that I read something that's above my level for at least an hour a day. I don't think playing one game in english will make me 'fail' to learn japanese, especially when some might even consider me to have already passed the point of being able to 'fail' learning Japanese.
>>139435660
Butthurt much, Amelia? Learn to take a little good-natured joke at your expense.
>>139435706
Fuck off smalldick
>>139433286
>Current age:
23
>Age you started studying Japanese:
23
>What level you consider yourself at:
shit
>What is the "hardest" VN that you've read comfortably?:
Haven't read any
>Goals, if any, for this year:
Keep grinding.
>>139435202
>What LNs are you looking forward to?
やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている
冴えない彼女の育てかた
ココロコネクト
変態王子と笑わない猫
And this chuuni one - ノーゲーム･ノーライフ
Yes, there are fan translations to some of those but I want to be able to read raws whenever I feel like it.
According to the survey posts everyone is pretty new at it. Did the old people of DJT all fall to dekinai-chan?
>>139435863
your poll is flawed. only /djt/-newfags respond to it.
>>139435863
If you actually want to learn Japanese, you close DJT and study, being here means you're slacking.
>>139435597
>I thought it was a fucking masterpiece, easily one of the best games ever made.
Nah, it went to shit after Ornstein and the other faggot.
>>139435805
Ah yes, I want to read SaeKano as well since moogy said it's good. I've no other target LNs though since I have never heard of any that aren't anime / have English translations. Maybe someone should make a chart akin to the VN one.
>>139435597
DS2 was made by other people as far as I am aware, which is why it isn't as good. I'm sure you'll love 3.
>>139435863
>implying you'd still come here if you could dive head first into japanese and live
They are either all fluent making love with their commemorative fluency dakis, or they are in rehab for abusing ADHD drugs and/or fish oil.
>>139435899
At least they`re goals to have.
>>139435706
>still having the names on
I want reddit to leave.
>>139435537
Well, I thought the Japanese dialogue in DS3 was alright, and you can hear the English voices anyway.
The juiciest part of it is item descriptions, though, plenty of cool new kanji to mine.
>>139435863
Nobody above intermediate is going to spend a significant amount of their time in this shithole. You can tell by the recent threads. When anyone posts a question that's even remotely hard, it gets little to no replies. It used to be that imouto would give an answer to these questions but you fuckfaces have chased him off too.
And now look at this thread. Someone posts some hiragana or some shit and everyone fucking replies to it because that's the only Japanese they know. If that doesn't tell you how shit this general has become, I don't know what does.
The only reason why I'm still here is because I love eating shit, but I don't see myself staying any just to be lectured on my learning methods by some self-important shitter who's just started his Japanese course.
>>139436213
Those are fucking fighting words, mate. Test me and we'll see who's the real shitter here.
>>139436213
>lots of people answer really easy questions
>not so many people anser harder questions
woooow it's almost like that exact scenarion couldn't be applied to literally every dicussion on everything ever.
>>139436213
Why are you angry?
>easy questions get answered quickly
>hard questions don`t
No shit?
>>139436475
Your point is?
>he cant recall kanji
Should have studied kanji individually, mate.
>>139436502
I probably worded that badly, but I wanted to convey the idea that less intermediates = beginners giving shitty beginner advice to each other which is a lose-lose situation. Which has increased due to recent events.
I'm just going to stop replying here. Meta discussions are gross and I'm gonna go to bed
Does Genetic Kanji not have every joyou kanji? I can only find the pages for Grade 1 - 5 kanji.
>>139436213
I'm pretty fucking 上級 but I'm not coming here to answer questions.
>>139436642
I can, it's just blurry, and vague.
>>139436213
>HURR EVERYONE IS FUCKING STUPID except me
>>139436813
y u so salty tho?
>>139436543
My point is using "Nobody answered by complicated question but they all answered the guy who said "What does できない mean?"" as proof that everyon here is a shitter is fucking stupid.
You could go to any forumn on the internet and ask a complicated question, you'll get far fewer replies than if you asked a very simple easy to answer question.
>>139436642
Do you handwrite letters to people in Japan? If not, then it doesn't fucking matter. The vast majority here are learning Japanese to consume media, not to write.
>>139436813
>hurr
>>139436843
>If not, then it doesn't fucking matter.
Even if you have Japanese friends and want to send them nenga and shit you can just look up the stroke order on the internet as you write it.
それから渋谷訳 からワーまで 電車で行きます。
What それから does mean?
What I understand from that sentence was we take the bus from there/that from 渋谷訳 to the tower.
Why the particle から is used in two places?
>>139437176
Then X
After Y, X.
それから is a pretty common expression, you know.
I was thinking about why it was hard for me to get into watching anime/tv as practice and it finally hit me that I was hesitant to start reading as well until I realized that there's no need to worry about ruining/misunderstanding dumb nukige. Similarly, there's no need to worry about misunderstanding dumb harem anime! So, has anyone watched some genuinely bad harem anime lately that would be good practice (as opposed to good ones like Inou Battle and Bakemono)? All I can think of is something like Highschool DxD that I read the LN for.
>>139437176
それから usually means from (a certain moment) onwards (then/after that/since then). If you had more context, then it could be understood better.
>>139436213
This.
Can anyone help with some details from this wall of text?
「魔族は、退屈していたのだよ。 我々は、己の支配する空間においては、限りなく全能だ。 望むことは、即ち得ることだった。 唯一興奮することは、支配域を奪うことだが、何世代も前に、すべての力は完全に拮抗していた。何の変化もない日常というやつだ」
>望むことは、即ち得ることだった。- in this context, does this mean "what was desired, was acquired"?
>唯一興奮することは、支配域を奪うことだが、何世代も前に、すべての力は完全に拮抗していた。何の変化もない日常というやつだ - I understand from the first part of this sentence that "the only thing that excited (us) was taking (someone else's) territory" but what does
"何世代も前に、すべての力は完全に拮抗していた。"? Countless generations before (we) perfectly rivaled power?
>>139437628
I don't watch stuff I will have a bad time with, no matter how much of it I understand, so instead of bad harems I watch good old CGDCT.
Some time ago I rewatched K-on and was surprised at how much of it I missed the first time by looking at subs instead of the show itself.
>>139436213
面白いなあ先生
じゃ出来ることを見せてもらえますか
あたしは勉強したいよ
何かを教えろよ
しないと、ばかうせろってしかねえなあ
>>139437176
それから
then/from there,
渋谷訳 からワーまで
from x to y
>>139437880
Screwed up my '>' a little bit, sorry.
>>139437913
If you can't see this thread is filled with beginners then you probably aren't much more than one yourself. No one's going to waste their time trying to prove themselves to people they don't owe anything to. If anything, you should be trying to get more advanced people to stick around, instead of ridiculing them when they discuss why this thread has problems.
>>139437899
I find pleasure in bad harems luckily.
>>139438062
>instead of ridiculing them when they discuss why this thread has problems.
No one is going to kiss your feet, dude. If you act like a cunt, you get treated like one.
Does anyone subscribe to nihongonomori on youtube
? Are there some worksheets or practice test that I can't seem to find. The newest videos seem to be working through some kind of text that I can't seem to find on their website.
>>139438182
I'm not even the original poster. But if you guys get butthurt every time someone says they're comfortable in the language it's easy to see why no one but beginners stick around.
>>139438062
if you dont think its fun to come here and post like an asshole then idk what to tell you thats all i want to do
theres maybe 1 decent question per entire thread its true and theres no one that really generates any good content so yeah
>>139437628
Last season's indefensibly bad copy-paste harem was Saijaku Muhai no Bahamut.
>>139438062
This thread doesnt have problems. It's an anonymous forum, with the content entirely determined by anonymous posters. If there's a problem here its not with the thread its with particular posters. One time I mad a big dumb post about how DJT was shit, and someone said to me "maybe you're the one acting like shit". And it was true. I thought DJT was shit because I myself was obnoxious. Try looking in a mirror anon.
>>139438256
There was this french lady who said she was good and people challenged her. She posted a vocaroo of her fluent Japanese. Done. If you're truly comfortable it should be easy to show yourself as such.
>>139438256
>But if you guys get butthurt every time someone says they're comfortable in the language
Literally not the case
>>139438256
everything is a argument and a dick waving contest
>>139438325
whats the point of acknowledging challenges from the パンピー honestly. the 正真正銘 can do whatever they want take it or leave it its not like youre paying them for their time
>>139428414
I'm around 1500/6000 in for core and doing 15 a day. I think if you're not really swamped with work, 20 and higher is completely reasonable.
How old were you when you started learning moonrunes?
>>139438594
253 years later, I still don't know moonrunes
>>139438594
Think I was 20. Three years later I barely feel any progress...
>>139438594
3.
Three years later, I'm fluent. 俺わ日本
>>139438679
>>139438665
What have you been doing for three years? Shitposting here?
ども、新な/djt/の学生です（はい、からあのとき）
質問がある。はなひらになんぼう中が初めに選択ですか？ パーセント で。
ありがとう中前もって。
Remember to do your reps ASAP
>>139439064
haha oh w0w, I can almost understand everything here, I really can earn Japanese!
>>139425678
What about フード though. I think it's more correct to say that ふ is between fu and hu in pronunciation.
You guys focus a lot on the reading part of language learning but do any of you speak with native speakers on any kind of regular basis?
>>139439180
we used to speak with 妹 but then they got bullied into leaving
>>139438969
Too busy watching anime while shitposting here to be doing reps
>>139439298
Stop forcing it so hard, Drew
>>139439064
69 パーセント
他にないかな
>>139439179
hu is a thing you just dont see it from gaijins
>>139439298
おにいちゃんおはよう
うんこしようよ
If there are only two thousand kanji and each has two readings on average, does tht mean there are only about four thousand roots?
>>139439179
>What about フード though.
That's just them doing what they can to cope with the limited nature of their writing system when it comes to dealing with foreign words.
>>139439491
>only
>>139436213
It's best to adapt a chill mentality in regards to djt. There are actually at least some people here that are good with Japanese.
I'm willing to bet Jamal right here >>139438538 is one of them. そうだろうjamalさんよ
>National Diet
what the fuck?
Also why is this in the core2k? I thought core2k was the 2k most common words.
>>139439851
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_(assembly)
>>139439851
2k most common words in newspapers.
>>139438594
25
I'm still 25 but I'm feeling really good about my progress.
>>139439692
i actually go by peggy now (性転換しました)
its good to not take things too seriously and relax as much as you can as well as chill generally
俺はお前の日本語宿題のお手伝いさんじゃねー
いつも通りやることをやるんだ
>>139436445
Okay, are the etymology sections in Japanese-only kanji dictionaries like 新漢語林 or okjiten.jp accurate? For example, is the right side of 抜 really supposed to represent sacrificing or crucifying a dog? They seem a lot more confident than English etymology dictionaries are.
>>139440575
Sure, it's their language and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it.
>>139440362
やっぱ、結局しちゃったんだね。
セックスチェンジ大変おめでとうございます。
![Porco Rosso [BDRemux 1920x1080 H.264 DTS-HD].mkv_snapshot_01.33.12_[2016.04.01_22.59.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/t8D9bMt.jpg "Porco Rosso [BDRemux 1920x1080 H.264 DTS-HD].mkv snapshot 01.33.12 [2016.04.01 22.59.32]")
What's おゆり mean?
>>139440792
Is that a troll attempt, Bethany?
>>139440575
文豪さんとかお話を聞けーよ
私はじゃないだよですね。
これはたもしいですか？
私はにぽんごのべんきゅうしただ。
What's this white material design cancer?
>>139440792
>>139441295
watch out for people named beth they are fuck heads
>>139441349
i think its cool
Can I add ですか after だ to indicate a polite question while still retaining the status of a being?
Sorry if the question if stupid, I'm just starting out and I don't see this addressed in Tae Kim。
>>139440914
No. GT translates it to "oyuri", but what is that?
>>139438594
15. I'm 22 now. ;_;
Hey, just checking in, I was wondering if imouto is still staying away? I really hated that fag.
>>139441457
All clear.
>>139437880
>望むことは、即ち得ることだった
I think it means "right away" or "at once" here. Look at the 副詞 defn in http://kobun.weblio.jp/content/即ち
>何世代も前に、すべての力は完全に拮抗していた
Yeah, 拮抗 can be "力に優劣がなく互いに張り合うこと" which fits this idea of "perfect rivalry" well, so I agree that it's probably something like "(Even) countless generations ago, all (our) power was perfectly balanced in opposition."
(If you meant "It was countless generations before our power became perfectly balanced," that would be すべての力が完全に拮抗してきたまでは何世代も経った or something, I think)
>>139441457
We did it /djt/, we chased imouto away.
>>139441422
You want to ask someone if they are in X state or not? ですか or いますか, no だ
>>139433286
>21
>20
>japanese professor level
>I dont read picture books
>Move to japan
>>139441608
There's no we here. One or two cunts did.
>>139432463
Kek, I was just shitposting when I replied to this guy but nobody else set him straight.
If you're still reading this anon, you can do what you want with the "custom study" option.
If you study more cards they will count as having been studied the next day too, but the benefit is you get to do it without having to change your limits, so you can go at your own pace.
>>139442161
>professor level in 1 year
Tell me your secret anon.
>>139442193
Maybe next time you'll help the foreigner understand that being a namefag is bad, so he doesn't keep getting shat on.
>>139441432
Okay, in that case: That's a わ and no ゆ.
>>139442349
No it isn't, do you have eyes?
>>139442336
You have a name too, so you aren't in any position to shit on namefags.
>>139442411
u stoobid
>>139442193
It's pretty pathetic that only a few people stood up to this kind of shit.
I have ascended.
Wanikani>>>>>>>POWERGAP>>>>dogshit>>>>>Anki
>>139442349
Okay, that makes sense.
In the future, how do I tell? It really looked like a stylized ゆ, same way the お didn't have a hook thing on the right.
>>139442710
Shit wrong pic
>finished my reps
>>139442806
>37 words
You utter mad man
>>139437880
>望むことは、即ち得ることだった。
"to want something was to have it" (because they were essentially omnipotent)
即ち is equating two ideas
don't listen to >>139441574, it's not kobun
the second part simply means that they haven't been able to steal much because their power has been equal for generations
use a J-J dictionary for 拮抗, J-E do not tell the full meaning
論議うぜえんだよ
四月馬鹿だけじゃねー
毎日ばっかり
>>139442739
just live life and see shit and it becomes less new
>>139442739
Reading a lot of handwritten shit.
Doujinshi are probably the most readily available material for that.
What are you currently readingfor pleasure? Hows it going?
>>139442739
open your eyes next time
>>139442806
Is that all the reps you do daily?
Looks like it would take like 5 minutes to do
>>139443060
ちょびっツ漫画
>>139442808
>haven`t started yet
>>139443260
面白いですか？
>>139443262
Better get started then before it's too late and bad things happen.
>>139443521
ちいいいいいぃぃぃぃ
決まってるでしょう
>>139443647
>tfw enjoy doing anki
also source?
What exactly is a 交番?
>>139442884
It's in the non-kobun dictionary too, kobun was just the first one I saw.
http://www.weblio.jp/content/即ち
But on second thought I think you're right. I didn't think you could use the conjunction like Ａは即ちＢだ, but one example for the conjunction definition is 子の喜びは，（すなわち）親の喜びである so obviously you can.
>>139443918
Exactly what the rikai tells you it is.
>>139443918
Shitty little things that contain a couple of coppers each.
>>139443918
a place where people who wont do shit for you hang out to laugh at you when youre in trouble and seek assistance
>Don't enjoy things that aren't complete so I avoid manga unless I know that it's finished
>only ever get interested in a manga by watching the anime and the manga is always still running and years from completion
Assuming I've read through the entirity of Tae Kim and I understand it all, how much of core2k/6k should I have done before I dive into reading manga/easy VNs?
>>139443163
More like every 3 hours.
>>139444187
You could just ignore core and mine the words, it's not some required thing.
>>139444187
You can go whenever you want after that, but the more vocab you know the less looking up you need to do.
>>139444187
I started Hanahira 300 words into core2k/6k and half way into essential grammar. You can start whenever.
What are easy VN that are actually fun? Aka not Flyable Heart and shit
>Doing Core
>Example sentence is 「近所にカナダ人が住んでいる。」
What a weird example sentence. Why would this ever be pertinent information?
>>139444244
>it's not some required thing
Of course not, but surely having atleast a little bit of vocab under your belt would be better before diving into reading? Otherwise you'd have to look up literally every single word for a long time.
>>139444294
>I started Hanahira 300 words into core2k/6k and half way into essential grammar.
How easy was it? I'm about 600 words in myself.
>>139444187
I started reading at 0 words, anytime is fine.
>>139444187
It really doesn't matter that much. It's easy to add words as you go if you know grammar.
>>139444001
don't use a kobun dictionary unless you're reading kobun
>>139444345
Pick your poison.
>>139444402
People read those sentances? I always click off before I hear the end of them.
>>139444402
So you know not to move there
>>139444345
逆転裁判
>>139444402
>近所にカナダ人が住んでいる。
引っ越そう
>>139444512
>>People read those sentances? I always click off before I hear the end of them.
I usually do the first time I see a word to get some context for it, or if I'm having trouble remembering the word.
>>139444111
>Don't enjoy things that aren't complete.
Stop being such an autist.
>>139444402
Yes, anon, so you can avoid it.
>https://www.youtube.com/user/kanadajin3
>>139444410
>Otherwise you'd have to look up literally every single word for a long time.
If you know your kanji at all, that's really not true. Besides whether you do core or mine the amount of time you spend studying new words doesn't change at all since you'll have to learn those words no matter what the source.
At least mined words are more likely to be relevant to the kind of material you prefer to read.
>>139444410
>How easy was it?
Very easy if you've got a texthooker and the necessary mindset not to mindlessly keep using it when you don't know a kanji right away. The grammar is basic as fuck once you get used to the ちょ可愛い！！！ crap.
>>139444646
>If you know your kanji at all, that's really not true.
>>139435163
Good attitude. Too many people learn languages for a reason rather than just enjoying it or being interested in it.
>>139433286
30
18-19
lower intermediate
I've read Flyable Heart, but it wasn't really comfortably.
Read 3 VNs, but I probably won't make it.
>>139444620
Enjoy being cucked hard when GRRM dies before finishing GoT
>>139444812
That would be better than not having read it at all.
>>139444812
I'm uually against the Reddit boogeyman, but you can fuck off there this time.
>>139444812
There's no glory in being afraid to have fun and long for more dude, lay down the autism and read some mango.
>>139444714
Well, you better buckle up in that case because core or no core you won't be reading anything anytime soon without having to look stuff up constantly.
>>139444634
>装神信紅霞花
>Soushin Shinkou Kaga
Sounds bretty cool.
>>139436213
If you need to ask "advanced questions" you are probably at a point where you could ask actual Japanese people. If its not a question they would have trouble with its not "advanced"
>>139433286
25
20
upper intermediate
I've never read a VN
improve speaking
Vocabs are a myth.
RTK + 1 year + a little bit of grammar = ability to read pretty much any VN or mangos.
What's the etomology of the greeting that sounds like ジースッ? I've heard it in Anime but I've never seen it in writing.
>>139445094
B-but the guide said vocab only was a great idea! Was I lied to?
What happened to namasensei?
I just came back to wanting to watch anime and I wanted to drink beer and start learning my remedial tier hiragana again
>>139433286
>Current age:
20
>Age you started studying Japanese:
18
>What level you consider yourself at:
I can read shit, I can watch easier anime, and I've talked with a Japanese guy before without much trouble, but my vocabulary feels fucking tiny.
>What is the "hardest" VN that you've read comfortably?:
I don't read VNs, I can read 人類は衰退しました but I haven't found any interesting books yet, so I mostly read manga
>Goals, if any, for this year:
None in particular, I'll travel to Japan and hopefully have fun there in summer for a month, but I feel like I'm drifting away from learning Japanese and just going on to enjoy manga and simpler anime as my interests are moving away from Japanese.
>>139445480
「こんにちは」→「こんちわ」→「こんちわっす」→「ちわっす」→「ちーっす」
>>139445504
No, kanjis don't need to be learned in isolation. They are pretty much useless anyway since we have hirogana and romanjis.
>>139445504
It is a good idea, you will have to look up shit no matter which route you go anyway.
That's why so many people texthook VNs or read LNs with rikai, to make looking shit up painless.
>>139445504
>B-but the guide said vocab only was a great idea!
Where's that?
So far I've only been told that it's more biased towards kanji than towards vocab only.
>>139445648
I'm talking about the old guide, this was nearly 2 years ago now.
>>139444863
Your time would have been better spent reading something that actually comes to a conclusion.
>>139444994
Do you also enjoy watching porn for hours and then not masturbating?
>>139445561
No, Japanese doesn't just have hirogana, it also has kamakura.
>>139444812
Don't worry about it. D&D are going to finish the TV series so we're going to get a proper ending one way or another.
>>139445543
ご苦労さん！
How do I say 「方法を」 properly?
Should it be pronounced "Hoho o" or "Hoho wo"?
>>139446769
ほーほーおっ
Just got paid
Is there anything one can throw money at that helps with learning moon?
It is done.
>>139446969
Rosetta Stone
>>139446865
It feels awkward to say it like this. Strains the back of my throat, no homo.
>>139447048
お前は本当に猫である。
>>139447048
Are you a NEET? How long have you been studying for?
Is じゃん some kind of 北海道弁？
>>139447143
>Are you a NEET?
No.
How long have you been studying for?
Around 5 months.
>>139446969
Amphetamines
>>139447143
>having 72 minutes of free time = NEET
Come on, I bet you spend more time here.
>>139446969
Try buying time, you'll need lots.
>>139447309
if time was a commodity it would probably be expensive as fuck
>>139446969
bitlasers
>>139446969
Hire a cute native tutor.
>>139448040
>>139447682
>>139447309
>>139447258
>>139447053
Decided to buy some new onaholes for stress reduction
>>139445561
>>139445921
>hirogana
>>139448158
Wise man.
>>139448387
とてもうろしですか！？ですね。。。
>tfmwtbmwh forgot です。I'll go kill myself now。
I thought of a game
1) Go to deviant art
2) Find some shitty chuuni fanfic tier character description
3) translate it to Japanese and post it here
I'll post my result shortly
>>139446969
i just shit my pants and learn japanese with shit all over my ass
>>139447070
少し野望を持っていてちゃんと言ってみろ
>>139447182
no
>>139448896
no 2 return of the no
>>139448965
>i just shit my pants and learn japanese with shit all over my ass
>mitchell brown
where do i get VNs from?
>>139448387
Ｈｉｒｏｇａｎａ is fine but he spelled kamakura wrong and the vowel in "romanji" is long so it should be roombanji.
>>139449292
the childrens corner of japanese libary
>>139449292
Tor, i2p, rlik5, hiro
>>139449297
>roombanji
That's Roumandjiins.
>>139449374
Do you want the guy to get swatted? He should be using Whonix -> VPN -> Freenet.
>>139449510
>freenet
Pedophiles GTFO.
>>139449405
Shit, you're right. I mean kuso (japanese shit)
>>139449292
にゃああ。せ
Which version of Romadanji should I be using?
ローマン帝国字 or 神聖ローマン帝国字
>>139443737
>a bit
>let's leave it at that
Did I get it right?
>船便
Do I really need this?
Is there a core deck that includes recall, rather than just recognition "translate this vocab word" x 6000?
Alternatively, is there a way to include the reverse cards with an existing deck that doesn't push them all to the front/all to the back?
>>139449833
聖なるアメリカ宇宙帝国字
>>139449640
今日本語排便が出て来ている
ケツ穴気持ちいだ
>>139449880
yes
>>139450005
i dont know do you
>>139450005
I do, thanks.
>>139450005
If a word is made out of common kanji like that one is, then it will be useful to know even if you never see it.
>>139450005
You mean, do you really need to know a word in a language you're trying to learn?
Probably not.
朕は聖杯であるぜー。
>>139450294
聖杯がありません
>>139443647
Okay, done.
>>139450440
貴様は聖杯ではないぞ。
Is there an online accent dictionary aside from the small one at accent.u-biq.org?
>>139450440
聖杯は朕だっつってんだろ、朕々。
>>139450605
あんたも
My mature correct percentage is slowly dropping down closer and closer to my young correct percentage. What do?
女２つ聖杯１つ
爆笑
>>139450604
>just 151 cards
I guess you don't actually want to learn.
>>139450789
That`s just one deck senpai.
>>139450789
>no mature cards
That's like his first month.
>>139450686
嘘、俺様は本当な聖杯だぜ。
>>139450900
そうか
じゃ.. 証拠はどこですか
ワシは聖盃じゃ
私わ精液
>>139451045
神秘は信仰を要するぜ。証拠が意味がない。
> 教壇の上の先生さえ、君が立ちあがったところを見なかったっていうし、ドアを開く音さえ、だれも聞かなかったんだ
What sense of ところ is this? Is it "moment", like "didn't see the moment when you stood up"?
In other words, just the same as something like "食べたところです"?
>>139450192
It's also an example of weird pronunciation, with ふな instead of ふね. It could help you remember the pronunciation of 胸元, since they have the same change.
>>139451606
Yes.
How the fuck do I disable auto-loading subtitles in MPC? Doing it manually each episode gets old pretty fast.
>>139450865
>425 cards
>55 minutes
What the fuck are you doing anon?
>>139452016
Writing down the damned Kanji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFKir0mQL9M
外人に人気のdjtで遊べること（金曜日の晩版）
俺のpovでjust chillen and having a good time
>>139452016
How?
シマッタ！俺の母がついついセックスした！エイズを得るだろう。俺、マザーファッカーに成ったかな・・・ 汚らわしいマンコを中出しする。
>>139452445
It's called tapping the left mouse button.
>>139452414
What deck are you doing? You know that you can write down kanji beforehand, right?
>>139452520
KD`s deck. I`d rather write down the new ones and the ones I forgot just as I see them in the reps.
>>139452519
No way holy crap, mouse slows down like fuck. Right hand on number pad, hitting enter pretty regularly, occasionally sliding finger over to 1, 2 or 4. (again / hard / easy).
>>139452471
俺も彼女中出しでも
>>139452606
it's what i do too
still everyone in this thread is way fucking faster than me. i'd honestly be interested to see people do it because i can't imagine going as fast as this:
>>139452016
with it still being meaningful
>>139452414
God damn, no wonder some people here hate doing their reps so much
>>139452740
It's meaningful as fuck anon. I know because I see the words I do in anki while reading and recognize them.
I'm not studying kanji though. Which is a big difference. Most of your time is probably spent "not in anki", i.e. writing and stuff instead of testing your memory. Though you probably knew that.
>>139452740
The one guy is just repeating each card like 5 times and spending a couple seconds on them each time, the other is trolling
Even if you're 5 times slower you're still fine.
I kinda miss the time when I had a shitload of cards to rep.
Probably need to mine a bunch of bullshit from some chuunige to keep me busy.
>>139452991
I (>>139452016) am neither trolling nor am I repeating each card 5 times.
how did this image script manage to find the most androgynous person in the world
In tweets and stuff I often see "CP" meaning the pairing people ship, but what do the letters stand for in this case?
>>139453240
子供（小さい日本人）のセックスのビデオだよ。
>>139453228
You should delete those useless pictures.
How the hell do people manage Anki + reading a grammar guide in a reasonable amount of time per day? How much time did you spend on each daily/number of reps?
>>139453342
いいえ、そんな返事はいらない。
>>139453173
80-100 minutes of anki, 1 hour of grammar, a couple hours of compelling content depending on my mood
>>139453449
I'm spending 2-3 hours a day on this shit.
>>139453392
they're not really useless.
>>139453449
hour or so of anki, read grammar on phone in transit
then read yotsubato for funand profit
Watch my articulated mesopotamian doll shows in evening
>>139453840
Well, they are. They usually aren't even on topic.
>>139453449
What is a reasonable amount of time? An average wageslave should have about 3 hours of free time on work days, that's more than enough for both anki and reading.
>>139453240
>http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1125522486
>CP＝カップリング
>>139453392
>>139453840
what, dont you normally celebrate with presents, santa hat, party balloons and fucking champagne
I'm halfway through Tae Kim's
After I'm done I'm supposed to start doing reps on Anki, right?
What do I do after that? Read Yotsubato?
>>139454448
People who can't afford christmas trees use party balloons as a substitute.
>>139454448
My mnemonic for that word was a happy merchant saying "oy vey" as the guy buys all this party bullshit from him.
>>139454708
you should pretty much do tae kim, anki reps and yotsubato concurrently.
>>139454708
i started anki the same time as TK, helped with the vocab he uses but i spose he repeats most of it
if you're halfway through tk i wouldnt start yotsubato though
>>139454448
Are most of the pictures this stupid? I'm considering enabling them now.
>>139454878
Yes, yes they are
do it for the lulz
>>139454828
that's good
i like how the sound for meeting [遭う] could be construed for english onomatopoeia for pain 'ow'
this pleases the misanthropic, oh yes
>>139455067
Rape?
>>139454370
Thank you.
>>139455088
時あたかもお前は覚者？
>>139455131
赤い, close enough.
>きっかけ
no wonder they say 'chansuu'
>>139454448
the pictures are fun
>can't remember readings for the life of me
Oh well, it's not like I want to speak or listen to Japanese.
>tfw still not muramasa level
>>139455088
怨憎会苦
>隅
>隈
LITERALLY
>>139455907
Easy.
>>139455907
Come on senpai that is a big difference
両雄並び立たず
>>139454708Ｒｅａｄ ｔｈｅ ｇｕｉｄｅ．
What's the difference between 小さい and 小さな?
>>139456296
you know steve's got this one on lockdown
>>139456473
One is i adjective, the other is na adjective.
>>139456482
Steve, individually, won long ago.*
The question is whether we, collectively, can succeed in his image, or whether we, collectively, will succumb to dekinai.
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IPA1G0l-YM&list=PLiFB-yYuG2hg6KtlwawHNNI1_hiGezeYL
>>139456638
Steve is a true hero. I think we should obtain his semen for our studies.
>>139456817
I'm sure you know all about obtaining semen don't you Juanita?
>>139456937
はいですねだよね。
Are you his sister?! Don't tell スティーブ様 about this please.
>>139433286
Current age: 19
Age I started studying Japanese: Started taking it seriously two months ago. Still 19.
What level I consider myself at: Super beginner.
Hardest VN: None.
Goals, if any, for this year: To be able to talk to my ex in moon rune.
>>139457293
Saddest thing I've ever read.
>>139455853
At least you can take comfort in knowing that your Japanese is probably proficient enough to read the comfiest VN this half of the decade.
>>139457344
Satisfied after posting that three times?Its a good image, saved
>>139457411
Don't you stalk me, you creepazoid.
>>139457484
You didn't even wait like an hour between them bro, anyone's gonna notice
僕は日本語を勉強するのがかまわない。可愛い彼女だけがほしいです！
>>139457411
What's the third thread? Does he post on /vn/ or something now that it has a TL announced?
>>139458121
Yes.
Is there a better deck than the one in the Anki Startup Guide?
That one has no images and is sort of hard i think.
>>139458242
Nope.
Through struggle, learn.
You may want to do a radicals deck beforehand though to make learning kanji easier. Or heck do RTK/KD/whatever if you really want to.
Also the deck can have images, just re-add the images field to the format, and also download the images.
>>139458051
>勉強するのがかまわない
>のが
Is that correct? I've never seen that before.
>>139458290
I've already tried putting images, can't make them work, doe.
Will seach for radicals deck, ty.
>>139458326
When in doubt
https://twitter.com/search?のが&src=typd
私はとてもですかるね
>>139456473
Forget those, the only one you need is 小っちゃい
叔父貴
伯父貴
How do they tell them apart in speech?
>>139458797
見る
観る
How do they tell them apart in speech?
>>139458855
Those have the same meaning, though. My example have two opposite meanings.
>>139458899
No they don't.
>>139458899
They don`t though.
>>139458797
You don't really need to.
俺わ本気と虫です！
>>139457344
I want to be a train conductor now.
older otakus are disgusting
>>139459494
Older than who?
If I edit "new cards perday", would I be limited to that number of new cards across the entire group, or would that be X new cards new cards per deck?
>>139427216
you have dysgraphia and you're trying too hard to draw the shapes correctly as a result
just let the strokes get stroked
>リル「……わたしにないもの……ティルさんは、お分かりですか？」
>ティル「リルちゃんにないものか…………」
>>139461875
おっぱい
Did Aoi zemi stop working for anyone else?
tfw I'm considering Japanese classes because all attempts to teach myself have failed
>>139463125
If you can't learn by yourself, you can't learn in class, because even classes depend on self-study on the side. Sorry, Phil.
>>139463125
The only way you can fail is if you lack the discipline to be consistent with your studies, which will be an issue in a class as well to an extent. Setting that aside, classes are slow enough that even if you stopped doing anki and just read and supplemented it with some anime, you'd still be going at a much much faster pace than a class would take you as long as you're doing it every day / doing enough of it.
>>139463125
Just watch anime for a few years and you will learn Japanese
>>139463125
All a class can do is give you a tae kim's worth of grammar material and some pointless talking practice, which is fuck all.
The only kind of class study that works is language schools in Japan, which have you learning full time for 5 days a week, and only rich kids can afford that luxury.
>tfw the meme screenshots posted in /djt/ are now easy to read
>>139463975
Wow, that image does not work well with this white theme.
Didn't get why he was red until I saw the filename.
>Protip
Once you get around N3+ level, you should stop stressing about every little grammar point you don't know or recognize. If you understand what the sentence is about and all of the words (through memory of context), you should just move on.
Even in English we let words and grammar points "roll off" when we don't understand them (you literally do this everyday). Just keep going, and if its a common enough grammar point, that you can't understand from context THEN look it up.
>Bottom lineIf you have a question that is non-beginner, you should have at least 3 examples of that pattern to warrant an answer that is not できない
>>139463975
Like this one?
>>139464298
What the fuck is this? Elvish?
>>139464209
thanks for your opinion sean
>>139464326
甲骨文, the OG kanji.
>>139464482
Thanks Mr. Wiggins.
>>139464482
im pretty sure thats just wingdings in japanese
>>139464545
I can recognize 太 and 無, though.
I can't quit even if I want to. I'm too far into this rabbit hole
俺は女性とたくさん話す。今誰も返信してくれない。どうしよう？
>>139465591
おはようおにちゃん
おにいちゃんがかなしいとあたしもかなしい
>>139465591
まず日本語直し
I don't understand why anyone would want to stay in texthooker hell forever.
I remember my earliest reading days. If I were to describe them, I'd say imagine going on a camping trip and getting drunk off your ass to the point where you pass out. You wake up alone in the middle of the foggy forest about three hours later with a map, a compass, a mission to reach civilization, a massive fucking headache, and the miserable leftovers of your drunkenness. You are now navigating the foggy forest with the world's worst hangover. It's so bad that you can never get a good grasp on your surroundings.
Every bit of Japanese that you learn clears the fog and cures more of the hangover. Eventually, you're left with a nice, casual, relaxing stroll through the forest.
Why would you want to brag about getting used to being disoriented in the foggy forest with a hangover when the above option exists? If you're taking camping trips every week, it would be less work in the long run to just learn the skills necessary to navigate the forest of Japanese media.
>>139465747
did you ever think at any point that not typing any more of that would be a good idea
>>139465798
I was trying to think of what to reply to him but you pretty much covered it
>>139465747
Getting drunk is degenerate, my dear.
>>139465917
>degenerate
Might as well be /pol/'s answer to feminism's "misogyny".
>>139465747
Or just read off the VN and only use the texthooker to look up words when you would otherwise be looking them up in a dictionary anyways. That's why the Firefox+Rikai+ITHVNR+Furigana/Clipboard Inserter combo is good. No grammar parsing and furigana to hold your hand, just plain text and a dictionary. Any issues created beyond that compared to not using a texthooker is just a lack of willpower.
Texthookers are only a problem when you relying on them too much.
>>139465994
I'm not trying to argue that texthookers aren't useful learning tools.
Go to EOP VN threads.
Some people in those brag about using texthooker being a skill, and how good they are at it. Yet, they never just take the extra step and use it to learn Japanese.
>>139466121
Oh, alright, given the thread we're in I thought you were implying using a texthooker is inherently a bad thing for learning or something dumb like that or acting like everyone who uses a texthooker has all of the parsing/translating shit on rather than just using it as a dictionary.
Yeah, I don't really get why EOPs machine translate everything and are satisfied with it. If they spent half that time studying they'd probably be able to actually read that stuff in Japanese, but that requires actual effort so I guess that's unreasonable to expect from them.
>>139465747
>I don't understand why anyone would want to stay in texthooker hell forever.
Don't think people who do actually exist though.
>>139466121
you mean theres dumb people on the internet that do and say dumb shit im really shocked at this cutting edge news youre dropping here
和菓子は日本
>>139466121
So what you really have an issue with is machine translators and parsers, not text hookers.
>>139467300
And it really makes no sense to hate parsers, all they do is make looking up words quicker. Rikai itself has its own parser, it's just slightly more of a pain since you have to mouse over the start of the word specifically for it to work. As long as you don't have the bright coloured parser like Chiitrans and are just reading off it instead of the VN, there's really nothing wrong with them.
>>139467300
i thought he hated the gaijins who read endlessly deep and well written ero games machine translated and then go to sleep later 100% content with their life while in the meantime hes stuck lamenting his existence while pressing the again button on anki
>>139425613
>>139425613
>>139425613
shit like this is why i had to stop trying to teach myself japanese. i mentioned this before, but theres some shit like that where its nothing at all like it sounds and it gets confusing as fuck because they continue on like its perfectly normal
>this chinese picture book is actually funny
what is it djt
>>139467563
good thing in your case youre exactly the same as you sound
stupid as fuck
>Always give VNs a test skip through to a sex scene to make sure they're all working
>Current one has been skipping text for 10 minutes before the first choice
>25 minutes of skipping and still no sex scene
Certainly the first time an erotic game is going to lead to a no fap month.
>>139467814
gotta have that build up
>>139465747
What the fuck kind of strawman this ridiculous analogy was supposed to refute in the first place?
>>139467688
i'm not worried about what you think child
i've been given offers to work at nuclear power plants and places like lockheed
you probably dont know what the fuck that is
>>139468021
and here you are trying to tell me off in djt
Anyone here gone througj Dominance?
How hard would you say it is?
>>139467814
Sounds like you will get 3-5 sex scenes within the last couple hours of reading
>>139468021
>given offers to work at nuclear power plants
>still can't learn Japanese
おにいちゃん
だいすき
>An all-star tag-team of Japan's greatest scholars, scientists, magicians, and the odd novelist or three square off against Imperial Japanese Army officer/evil wizard Yasunori Katō as he seeks repeatedly to destroy Tokyo, the titular Imperial Capital, and lay to rest the vengeful spirit of 10th century warlord Taira no Masakado. Their epic combat spans 90 years of fictionalized history over 12 volumes, and pulls in cameo appearances from pretty much everyone you've heard of (and more you probably haven't) from a 20th century Japanese history class. The movie adaptation, in its day one of the most expensive Japanese movies put to film, is a lickety-split adaptation of the first several volumes and a minor schlock tokusatsu masterpiece in its own right; its version of Katō is the primary inspiration for M. Bison from Street Fighter. Extremely nerdy and highly recommended.
Holy shit
This layout reeeeeeeeeeee
