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He killed 7 billion people.
>>139258202
Third impact didn't happen
>Muh 7 billion
>>139258202
Worth.
>>139258202
I see nothing wrong with that.
I'm pretty sure there were less than 7 billion people left, and you could hardly say he killed them anyway
>>139258202
>He turned 3.5 billion into Human soup
>>139258202
There's no way there were 7 billion people on Earth during Third Impact.
>>139258202
no he didn't you retarded cross poster
go back to /tv/
>>139258409
The angels only fucked up Japan. And Third Impact was New Years Day 2016, so 7 billion is probably accurate.
>>139258562
What about 2nd Impact?
>>139258562
Didn't second impact fuck up a good part of the southern hemisphere before all that?
>>139258562
What about the 3.05 billion people who were killed during Second Impact?
*He liberated less than 3 billion
>>139258713
>>139258715
>>139258821
whatever you dorks he's still a mass murderer
>>139258943
Except all of those people's consciousnesses were still intact, just merged together.
And, depending on how you interpret the ending, most if not everyone would eventually decide that being a joint consciousness isn't all it's cracked up to be and just come out of the tang like Shinji and Asuka.
>>139258943
He was under a lot of stress, okay?
did instrumentality actually kill everyone? I thought it just removed barriers between us
so really he raped 3 billion people by violating their personal space
>>139259059
whatever he did, it wasn't comfortable
you can hear a chorus of screams as everyone is sucked into giant rei's big egg thing
>>139258562
Second Impact killed over half the world's population in 2000, which was just over 6 billion. So we'll say 3 billion left.
15 years later when Eva picks up, it does seem like people have been breeding at a decent rate. We could, with a very liberal estimate, say the population around the world has grown to 4 billion.
Remember, Shinji and all his classmates would have been conceived shortly before or after Second Impact and there are quite a lot of them.
Shinji's Near Third Impact killed 90% of the remaining population on Earth. So 90% of 4 billion is 3.6 billion, leaving roughly 400 million.
>>139258202
He's cute so its fine.
>>139258202
omedetou
>>139259059
>>139259111
To be fair, he probably didn't know what the fuck would happen, and it's not like he wanted any of instrumentality/apocalypse/Eva-clusterfuck nonsense in the first place. Just a shitty situation for everyone (and I mean literally everyone) involved.
>>139259111
>you can hear a chorus of screams as everyone is sucked into giant rei's big egg thing
I always heard them as orgasmic screams of pleasure rather than of fear or pain
>>139259153
Hitler's Holocaust only killed 11 million people. Meaning Shinji is worse than 327 Hitlers.
>all of these angels that strive to cause an "impact"
>human instrumentality
Were these things ever explained properly or was anno just thinking of too many metaphors when creating the show?
>>139259285
>The holocaust actually happened
>>139259461
the angels wanted to cause third impact by interacting with adam, because they hate humans and want us to die
the human instrumentality project was seele's plan to have all of humanity combine into one greater consciousness and basically become a god
Shinji did nothing wrong
>>139259566
you forgot Gendo's plan to fuck his waifu
>>139259461
The angels just wanted to be with Adam, they couldn't give less of a fuck about whether humans lived or not.
>>139259461
Angels are the spawn of Adam, the OG life seed that Lilith BTFO when she crashed into Earth, they want to get to Adam, touch him and start and impact that wipes humans, the spawn of Lilith, from the planet
Seele wanted instrumentality to join all humans Into a single advanced being wich they would be the head of
Gendo wanted his waifu
>>139259682
But why did Gendo have to put his hand in Rei's vagina?
Why didn't he just get a big ladder and put his hand in Lillith?
>>139259036
Right, so they can wash up on the edge of the yellow ocean and wander back into the rotting carcass of human civilization which died after everyone was gone for a week/month/millennium.
>>139259746
Rei's the medium
>>139259566
>>139259668
>>139259682
Okay, but why is reuniting with Adam so destructive and what kind of sense does this make in the first space? If this is supposed to be based on christianity, why are there such ludicrous things being portrayed?
>>139259746
Would you rather touch a fat albino alien with no legs or a qt teen version of your waifu
ok I have one more question
why did Gendo wait so long to do third impact
like why did he wait until everyone is already fucked up
And what IS an impact for god's sake. And why does being inside of an angel like shinji was enable the pilot to cause an impact if they wish for it hard enough. What in the actual fuck?
>>139259819
It's Japanese Christianity
>>139259819
Alien magic
>based in Christianity
No, they are aliens, Seele just likes to use religion codenames for shit
>>139259819
It's not based on Christianity, it takes a number of elements of Christianity and excises them from context, using only whatever fits the narrative.
Doing an analysis of the source of Japanese media references is not terribly helpful because they're so disconnected from them.
>>139258370
>soup
>not delicious Tang
Newfags please leave
>>139259819
Only one lifeform can be on Earth because the FAR said so.
An angel merging with Adam basically allows Earth to completely erase everything that isn't Adam and his children so order can be maintained.
>>139259819
it's not based on christianity
when adam touches an angel, shit blows up. that's all you need to know.
>>139258202
More like he gave a choice to 7 billon people.
And no, 3.33 doesn't count, that's just fanfiction.
>>139259904
Evas are angels with human souls in them
>>139259267
>>139259111
I also think its an orgasm
>>139259819
>Evangelion
>Based on Christianity
The only connection that you MIGHT be able to draw is that some of the Old Testament Angels looked pretty weird.
But in Christanity, Lilith is non-canon, so at most you could MAYBE say it was based on Judaism.
You could say it's based on Islam, given all the senseless mass murder, but even that's a stretch.
>>139258202
>implying there are still 7 billion with conditions of NGE world
What if tang turned out to be a gestalt human consciousness?Select all images with orangesMY SIDES
>>139259944
Tang sucks
>>139259904
An impact is part of the alien's nature, the seeds (Adam and Lilith) can be triggered by the angels
>>139259285
Where is that image on converting hitlers deeds into a currency unit
IF GENDO HAD ADAM THE WHOLE TIME WHY'D HE FUCKING WAIT UNTIL NERV WAS GETTING BTFO TO DO THIRD IMPACT??
>>139259682
If Lilith is supposed to be the seed of knowledge, then why was she stupid enough to crash on Earth?
>>139260084
For the love of jesus christ, WHY? Why would an alien life form's only purpose was to go to x planet to die and take a bunch of people along with it.
>>139260115
Cause he a pussy nigga
>>139260106
>>139260115
He had to wait until all possible impediments (Angels, SEELE) were done killing each other, but he didn't count on Yui.
>>139260115
All he had was Adam's embryo, he needed the soul (which was in Kaworu) for it to actually be usable.
So he couldn't do it until Kaworu died and his soul goes to the embryo, which happens in episode 24.
>>139260197
>and his soul goes to the embryo, which happens in episode 24
Did I even watch this show? I don't remember any of this
>>139260238
It happens offscreen and is reconfirmed in some fucking game called NGE2
>>139260155
Is not dummy, they create life, everything would have been alright with Earth being an Angel world, but Lilith crashed later and rekt Adam and the angels, usually there are no impacts, it was just a defence mechanism because the Lilin (humans) rained on the Angels' parade
>>139260115
Because he knew he had Seele spies among the ranks and they would stop him if he didn't have an excuse to remove the lance and fuck around with Adam. Did you watch the show?
>>139260155
It's not. The angels and lilim were never meant to exist on the same planet in the first place.
>>139258715
I'd say that if Japan didn't sink when the icecaps melted then most of the world would remain dry.
>>139260280
Oh that explains it.
>>139260022
>>139259267
You always say that!
>>139260388
That's because Japan stronk white piggu
>>139260347
oh so these two alien entities adam and lilith are so utterly similar however in actuality they were SO very different they never meant to co-exist together
and that's why alien robot things go to a planet to cause an impact armageddon thing without any care in the world for their own well being
makes sense
>>139260238
>Did I even watch this show? I don't remember any of this
Relax, it's fanwank from Kaworufags. There's literally no such bit in NGE.
I can't believe there are people that don't get Eva's plot today, come on people it's 2016
>>139259461
Angel + Adam = big explosion
Lilith + Adam = human evolution (into some kind of sort of god)
Kaoru sort of implies that when he gets surprised to find Lilith and refers to humans as her children, there's a difference between the communion of each race.
>>139259834
I'd say Lilith had a bunch of legs, just not the right size.
>>139260603
why are these things compatible with one another
why are angels incompatible with humans
what is the fucking backstory for any of this shit
>>139259834
>>139260690
Needs Lilith as well, just the body is no good.
He didn't kill anybody. They all got combined into a gestalt entity.
Even the soldiers/civilians who died in the final battle got LCL'd, you see Rei's standing over them.
>>139259928
>this is true because they guy saying he was christ said so
I want to learn from con-man-sama!
>>139260735
This, so technically, Rei's kill count is in the negatives since he and Rei practically resurrected them from the dead and gave them a new chance at life.
>>139260146
Because saying it's the seed of knowledge is a metaphor for jumpstarting human conciousness.
But if you want to be that retarded consider the difference between the nutritional value of an apple and an apple seed.
>>139260722
They all come from the FAR, humans and angels are compatible, that's what is happening whenever a human pilots an Eva
>>139260473
>oh so these two alien entities adam and lilith are so utterly similar
Both were created by the same beings, presumably using the same means of production. Why wouldn't they be similar?
>however in actuality they were SO very different they never meant to co-exist together
Yes, said creator beings did not design them to coexist on the same rock. Lilith's arrival on Earth was a mistake as Adam was already occupying the planet.
>>139260722
Ancient aliens created giant freaks of two varieties to spread life through the cosmos. One variety would produce life as you know it (us, our pets, our cows, our bugs, our fishes, our microbes, etc). The other would produce angels. They were meant to have separate domains. Earth was an accident.
>>139260858
But even if they are compatible it doesn't mean it's right btw, Lilin cannibalize Angels and put stuff on them, basically torturing and raping the things
Angels did nothing wrong
>>139260806
Shinji literally resurrected more people than Jesus
>>139260473
It's almost as weird as if humans for millenia runned thousands against thousands for the off chance of maybe killing one or two of the other side!
>>139259461
It's never really explained in the series properly, Anno went over it to a game developer company though and it's considered canon.
Basically:
1.) Gendo wanted to combine Adam (His hand + Kwarou's soul) + Rei (clone of his wife with the soul of lilith) together to fuse his soul into Eva 01 so he could be with his wife forever. It's unknown what happens to everyone else in this scenario, presumably they get tang'd and he didn't care
2.) SEELE wanted to combine their souls into the mass produced evas (there were supposed to be 12, the number of SEELE members) and then using unit 01 combine all human souls into them as fuel to create 12 god-like beings. They'd represent the pinnacle of human evolutionary capacity and probably be able to create new life
3.) Yui (and later Rei's) goal is the most mysterious, she more or less manipulated everyone towards her own end (shinji included) and wanted the 3rd Impact seen in EoE (all humans combine). Yui hints that she intended to keep her soul inside Unit 01 and journey into space as a new Seed of Life to create new life on other worlds. At the end of the series Unit 01 drifts off into space with the lance of longinus. Meanwhile, Rei's instrumentality is foiled by Shinji though people can exit only if they want to, which probably doesn't bother her much.
>>139260943
ok now explain how these enormous, destructive entities angels are supposed to make a habitat on a planet or how they require the resources of said planet at all
oh and there just happens to only be a handful of them
>>139261010
He gave them the capability to resurrect, and he did it through Rei's power, so far Shinji has resurrected two people, and one of those is himself
>>139261042
4.) The Angels wanted to simply combine with adam to create an anti-AT field that would kill all humans across the world and thus inherit the earth. The Angels thought Adam was under Terminal Dogma but it was actually Lilith, which Kwarou discovers. Thus had they succeeded and combined with Lilith (perhaps they wouldn't though, finding out it isn't Adam as Kwarou did) it would have created a 3rd impact to combine all human souls, not exterminate them.
>>139260722
Humans and angels are extremely similar, Ritsuko says we're DNA is almost identicla in episode 4 I think. But the little differences make the alien magic work for or against us. Imagine it as some magical contract with one or other only that it's explained with science, in the 90's Japan had a big zeitgeist of explaining magic with science. For example the curse in Ringu is treated as a virus and eventually weaponized in the novels.
>>139261070
Dunno, alien intelligence. Don't judge your creators. They work in mysterious ways.
>>139261070
They just can, even if it doesn't make sense to humans, they are different beings with different habitats and shit, they just can
Fucking Racist Lilin
>>139260728
I'm just saying that among all those legs there has to be a couple of hot pairs.
>>139261203
yeah they can't just fuck off to a different planet being a space faring species and all that
kill humanity for the sake of metaphors
I pity anyone who still tries to make sense of this shit
>>139260901
>>139260943
I've seen this in many eva threads but I really just liked the anime. Where does this come from? The new movies? Novels a la Gundam? Games?
>>139261070
Angels are basically shit. They're mindless monsters with no intelligence to speak of.
They could jump out to space and thrive, fuck off forever and leave planet earth to the humans, but not the Angels, no.
>>139260179
>very tiny auschwitz
every time
Can you get any satisfaction from watching evangelion?
>>139260722
Ancient aliens known as the First Ancestral Race created 7 beings known as Seeds of Life. They would launch them at worlds to create life. Each seed had a transport vessel (moon-like ship), lance of longinus (control mechanism), and control manual (dead sea scrolls) in case anyone else came across it. The FAR's had a law that 2 seeds of life can't occupy the same world as combining their genetic material would create a being too powerful.
4.5 billion years ago by some sort of accident, the seed of life known as Lilith crashes into earth, which was already inhabited by the seed of life known as adam. Lilith's lance of longinus is destroyed in the crash, so to abide by their creator's own laws adam's lance of longinus activates and puts it into suspended animation. adam was in the process of creating its own beings, which were also put into hibernation. These are the angels of the series.
Thus Lilith and her offspring (humans/animals) inherited earth by accident. Years later SEELE finds the dead sea scrolls and learns of everything, then wakes up adam under Antarctica.
None of this is said in the series, it's all hinted at. Anno has released it in subsequent interviews with game developers.
>>139261325
yes
>>139261325
It has the best girl in the history of anime, Rei.
That and a great cast of other characters.
>>139261290
the movies acknowledge those as facts, but more a less just add more questions into the mix
apparently they put it into a fucking video game later on?
truth is anno was a depressed fuck who experimented with weird subjects and you probably shouldn't take it literally
>>139261269
The Earth is originally an Angel world, humans were a mistake
It all makes sense anon, I love Eva's plot desu
>>139261093
So same revive count as Jesus?
>>139261269
>yeah they can't just fuck off to a different planet being a space faring species and all that
I'm not sure how far angels could get in space. They didn't really inherit any technology or anything from the precursors, any more than humans did.
>>139261269
Why would they give up the place where their boss is trapped to the people who fucked him? You seem to be forcing interpretations that just don't work.
>>139261387
Pottery, it rhymes
>>139261321
The angels considered earth rightfully theirs because they were here "first", Lilin intruded later. They weren't going anywhere.
They also weren't mindless, though they weren't as intelligent as humans. Shinji has a conversation with an angel in episode 16 (it takes the form of Rei), Rei has another conversation with the one that tentacle rapes her (appearing as young rei), and Asuka has a conversation with another one (appearing as young asuka) during her mind rape.
A big problem is the angels were such different entities from us that we had no real way of communicating with each other. It's not simple lacking mouths to talk or lacking the same language, the way we interpreted and processed communication was utterly different. Anno was inspired by the sci-fi book Solaris with regards to this.
>>139261093
He didn't give them the ability to resurrect from death as nobody was dead. Shinji made it so human souls could break out of instrumentality if they wanted to. Only Asuka did that besides Shinji though, apparently it's really nice inside gestalt humanity.
>>139261365
>truth is anno was a depressed fuck who experimented with weird subjects and you probably shouldn't take it literally
As I said, I'm one of those weird anime only fags. I even actually prefered the ending with stock animation and characters dealing with their shit over the nice looking fights and conclusions to the metaphors.
I think Eva is a show to be watched for the characters, not the weird interupted cosmology it tried to create.
>>139261574
You act like those are incompatible, they're not.
>>139261469
Wait, is Anno implying Jesus wanted to bang Lazarus and that in God's eyes he was best girl?
>>139261359
So how come the offspring of each entity was so disproportionately powerful? Angels just happen to be portrayed as overwhelming villains and can only be fought through trickery (capturing and lobotomizing on of their own).
What's the fucking point? The first ancestral race didn't know what they were doing.
>#AngelLivesMatter
>>139261365
The ancient aliens stuff was always intended to be the canon with Anno. He just likes to keep things mysterious and never had the budget/time to show it in the series proper.
Literally worse than hitler though...
>>139261634
This is explained as well.
Each Seed of Life spawned a certain genetic trait for their race.
The Seed of Life known as Adam gave his offspring the "Fruits of Life", huge physical strength and size.
The seed of life known as Lilith gave its offspring the "Fruits of Knowledge", superior intelligence. Angels are not as intelligent as humans even if they're much more powerful.
There was never supposed to be two types of the same seed's offspring on a single world, so the FAR never intended any of it.
>>139261492
You could consider that since the angels that could interact with humans inmediately comprehended their frame of reference and internal struggles they are more intelligent than humans, since the series makes a point of showing how difficult connecting with one another is.
>>139261560
While I'd be on board with being a single god like massive conciousness I'd be permanently doubting if it's better on the other side. It's horrible to chose a route when you will never be able to see what happens on the other one.
>>139260179
6^104 isnt a impossibly big number?
>>139261634
Because, they are different beings, they don't need to be similar at all
>>139261649
It's doing that head-turn thing that dogs do.
>>139261616
Good point, I'm just making a coice between the two because interacting with the fandom makes me feel as if I have to. But I do feel that Anno is in a very different mind set whenever he goes back to the franchise and he wouldn't be able to repeat what makes each one good. So in a sense they are incompatible, the creator couldn't do both at the time.
>>139261781
Pretty sure that's a * not a ^
>>139261269
Humanity would fuck up Earth with global warming, throwing their trash everywhere, cutting down forrests and contaminating the atmosphere with their nukes and bombs. Plus they kill their own kind every day.
Angels don't do any of that shit, so they clearly deserve to be on Earth way more.
>>139261269
How would you feel if I tried to move into your house without your permission?
>>139261751
And kaworu?
>>139261904
Human body with a Seed soul, same as Rei
>>139261751
I'd say that more than intelligence we have society. So our communion with the creator of life results in absolute unity while their communion means a cleansing of every other life form.
>>139261904
Kwarou was a clone of an unknown human with Adam's soul, which SEELE captured after the Katsuragi expedition in Antarctica.
Kwarou was more intelligent than usual because he had human elements.
>>139260179
But Hitler killed over 11 million in his camps. Only 6 million were Jews.
>>139261955
>>139261991
no no no you don't just combine a fucking angel with a human and make a perfect being that's perfectly self aware and able
he's a walking plot hole there are no downsides to his existence
>>139262028
Like anyone cares about historical accuracy.
>>139260115
Gendo only gets Adam in episode 8, Kaji gives him Adam's embryo which had been transported via that big naval fleet. It was illegally smuggled from a SEELE facility.
It's why the fleet got attacked by an angel, they sensed their daddy was on board
He also needed Adam's soul, which was inside Kwarou (also under the possession of SEELE). After Kwarou dies his soul is freed up
>>139262028
If hitler killed so many people in the death camps, how come the facts show the camps themselves would never sustain these kinds of numbers?
>>139262068
It's not really an Angel it's a Seed, and it's no genetic stuff that is combined, it's only the soul
How? Plot and Seele magic
>>139262068
The FAR literally said combining a fruit of life and a fruit of knowledge would create a superior being, Kwarou was that
>>139262172
oh but he BECOMES an angel when convenience allows for it? I'm pretty sure they stated he was an angel all along even
>>139262197
superior being that's not an angel anymore, but he still was in fact he was just that
>>139262243
They called him an Angel but he wasn't genetically one m8, he was Adam Soul in a lilin body
>>139261492
>The angels considered earth rightfully theirs because they were here "first", Lilin intruded later. They weren't going anywhere.
Fanwank. The angels never considered any such thing in the show. Don't make up an agenda for them.
>They also weren't mindless
Zombies aren't technically mindless either, as are Angels.
Angels are basically, shit.
>>139262153
Perhaps the facts do not suggest this. Or you are a trolling son of a bitch.
Go suck on a tail pipe.
>>139262457
yeah I don't know all of the stuff in this show sounds cheap and forced when you try to make sense of it
there's just no sense of satisfaction and contentment to any of it
>>139259746
he did not put on reis vaginait was on her soul
>>139258202
OK fixed this for yall confused faggots:
His dad killed half of humanity by triggering impacts with his evil research
He himself caused the rapture and transfigured/sort of killed ish the rest.
/thread
>>139262519
It's the greatest anime of all time
Of
All
Time
>>139261775
>immediately comprehend
Did you even watch the show or are you baiting?
>>139261363
No.
>>139262519
The point isn't to draw a satisfying literal conclusion. The vagueness of the plot helps develop a connection with Shinji, Asuka, Rei, Misato, and most of the other characters, as we are in the shadows along with them. It also forces the viewers to read into the show more, and think both about it's literal story, and it's themes/messages.
>>139262153
You can fit as many people as you want anywhere as long as you keep killing them when you're full. You would be a very shitty manager.
>>139262197
Again, osrry to keep asking, where does the FAR appear and explain all this?
>>139262715
Yes.
I'm liking NGE even more due to this thread.
Thanks anons.
>>139262789
There was Evangelion PS2 game in like 2004, Anno gave the game developers the background for it.
They're hinted at in the series but never explicitly stated.
>>139262463
Angels talk to humans and fully understand their desires and worries in the three cases in which their bodies were able to connect with people. Just because they don't need to fabricate tools or don't have mouths to comunicate doesn't mean they are mindless, they are at the very least as smart as people.
>>139262789
The FAR is mentioned in some PS2 game, but it was probably in Anno's mind from the beginning. As >>139261751 said, he likes to keep things mysterious.
>>139262635
Gendo did not cause Second Impact.
>>139262865
Stop making shit up. At most they were probing attempts at communication. Fuck off angel apologist.
>>139262865
>Angels talk to humans and fully understand their desires and worries in the three cases
Objectively wrong, as Rei even has to correct one.
They are as good as mindless. Dogs and other household pets rank way higher on the intellectual and emotional scale.
>>139262894
>but it was probably in Anno's mind from the beginning
Definitely wasn't. He literally made up everything as he went along.
>>139262865
Angels don't understand humanity at all. All they do is ask the characters questions and seem confused by the answers they give
>>139262519
I get you. When you watch a show expecting something that isn't there it's pretty hard to enjoy it.
>>139262666
There's an angel that can fully comprehend and use computer logic, one that identifies and exploits your memories, one that can collect your sexual interests and utilize human language to force you into a connection with it. All of them did so as soon as they were born without any kind of training or education in the subject. They instinctively managed to exploit the most advanced aspects of the human mind.
>>139262720
Yeah, but then everything surrounding the original show is trying so hard to explain everything, it's like the original premise is lost in this obsession. My question is why? Why make a simple story about mecha into this weird thing? It would have been if most of the elements were metaphorical.
>>139258202
3.5 billion
t. teh rei
>>139263025
Eh, things match up too cleanly for it to be made up on the spot.
>>139262821
It's one of those things that were designed to get fans discussing and improving the enjoyment through socialization. Like Zelda's final stretch and PT's voice thing.
>>139263025
Well, that's probably true, to an extent. I don't think he literally thought that an ancient alien race caused all of Evangelion, but I think he had certain ideas throughout the story, ideas that he didn't completely show on screen. That said, I can't speak for the man.
>>139263083
No, they don't. There are drafts that are so wildly different from what actually was, that there's no chance in hell.
You see connections where there aren't.
>>139263025
But that's not true at all.
They had a game plan and the manga that was made to hype the show was at the Ramiel fight by the time the show started airing.
They had a plan of what the show was, where it was going and how it was going to end.
Anno just started changing the plan about halfway through, then changing it again halfway again to the ending.
That's why the final episodes are so fucked. Not because of budget, but just because Anno kept changing his plan so that production came up to often literally the last minute.
Episode 24 wasn't delivered to the studio to be aired until literally a half hour before broadcast time.
>>139263152
There's never any other origin for the angels given in the series, nothing contradicts it or says anything else
>>139262934
Oh, right, I had just assumed he was already involved in that. I thought that was the implication. But yeah I guess it is implied he was just a relative nobody back then
>>139261363
Rei is just a tool,she does not even respond
actually,/a/,i would like to say something about rei
obviously,comparing toilet girl to 7x1 is basically fire against water,and i get that,but one time,in the rebuilds,3.33,there was a moment when Rei's head was falling,and she looked at it,with fear and asked herself "is that me?"
now i ask you /a/,do you like robots?this moment in the movie was the only moment i actually liked rei a little bit,but it was a good way of telling us that she was still a being with thoughts
dead pan lolis are the worst kind of girl in anime,no personality,no motto's,no attitudes,nothing,but this moment in the rebuild actually told me that she was human,she was afraid that she was some kind of tool,she understood that something was wrong with her.
i liked thatyoko is still my waifu
>>139263069
I think that the desire to have a literal story gets in the way. People don't really like the idea of having something that isn't literal, and this is shown in the initial reactions to Episode 25-26. People got angry at how confusingly simple and metaphorical the show became, and so EoE came to be, which offered a more literal interpretation to the show's conclusion. The same could be said for any other theorizing that people offer to the show's metaphors. Also, theorizing is fun. I hope that makes sense, I might not be wording my thoughts correctly.
>>139263230
He was involved with SEELE back then and was at the very least aware of what they were doing with Adam.
>>139263167
>They had a game plan and the manga that was made to hype the show was at the Ramiel fight by the time the show started airing.
Both which have glaring inconcistensies.
>They had a plan of what the show was, where it was going and how it was going to end.
Which is radically different from how it actually ended, with lots of BS concerning the moon and it's angels descending, even wild zombies and cats.
Anno recently said one of his proposed endings was for it to be exactly like "Attack on Titan".
It was fucked because of budget, time constraints, and the original plan for ep 26 was for Anno to apologize for that on LIVE TV.
Stop feeding this retarded myth, you gigantinc cocksucker.
>>139263218
There's nothing contradicting that your whore mother shot them out of her rancid cunt either.
>>139263246
Fuck off, you haven't even watched NGE.
>>139259228
not the old men *cough* jews *cough* pulling the strings.
they got what they wanted
>>139263353
yes i did.
i'm not even insulting her nor 7x1 you bastard
>>139262934
>>139263230
He was involved in it, though it was SEELE's plan. Gendo, Yui, and Futusuyki were part of the Katsuragi expedition but they left the day before Adam woke up and killed everybody
>>139263042
So? We don't understand them either, we're different on the root and all that. They still could utilize human communication without any kind of training, in comparison how long does it take a child to even be able to have a discussion with people close to it, much less people it doesn't understand at all?
>>139262964
I-I just think we could all be friends!
>>139262972
Rei has to correct a lot of people. Being right isn't being intelligent, a Nobel prize winner with problems understanding why his wife left him isn't dumber because of it, he just doesn't get why someone acts a certain way.
Angels are different at their core, we make as much sense to them as they do to us, but as a race they have the capacity to think at the same level of complexity as humans.
And the kamikaze argument is dumb, in all classical war scenarios you sent thousands of people to die for the chance of killing just one of the other. If a single person could finish the war forever they would gladly be sacrificed by their bosses.
>>139263025
I agree with you but I don't think that's a bad thing. Very rarely a full story is designed from the begining and doesn't deviate during its creation, and there are very few cases among them where it worked. Even Kubrick, who was a control freak and took years to design every single aspect of everything, ended up depending on the actor's performance and it adds to it.
>>139263046
Looks like you and I are on different connotations of "understand" then. Thought you were trying to paint them in a positive light.
>>139263319
You sound angry that your tired talking points aren't true.
>Both which have glaring inconcistensies.
It's almost like they were written by two different people.
Also, it's "inconsistencies."
>Which is radically different from how it actually ended, with lots of BS concerning the moon and it's angels descending, even wild zombies and cats.
>Anno recently said one of his proposed endings was for it to be exactly like "Attack on Titan".
Yes, drafts change. That's why they're called "drafts."
Shifting from the rough drafts isn't "making it up as they go."
>>139263069
Why? Because it clearly worked, people keep talking about this decades later and even with all the new material you don't see people who just skipped the original. You can't denied that it was a good idea.
>>139258202
shitji is a shit MC
>>139258202
7 billion what do you mean 7 billion? he killed at least 60 billion
>>139263319
>Anno recently said one of his proposed endings was for it to be exactly like "Attack on Titan".
No he didn't you fucking liar.
He said if there were ever to be a sequel to Eva after EoE, it would be like Attack on Titan.
>>139263510
It's the textwalling Reifag. He lies all the time, just ignore him.
>>139263457
It does take away from it though. The ultimate conclusion to this path is that the show is a joke. That's not how you create the citizen kane of anime.
>>139263246
So you haven't watched the show then? Because she has an arc in it, as it tends to happen in series.
Also, yeah, I like female looking robots. They are hot.
>>139258202
3.5 billion at the most, your forgetting that second impact fucked up half of the world.
>>139263439
>It's almost like they were written by two different people.
Actually, so fuck your arguments.
You're wrong, dead simple.
>Yes, drafts change. That's why they're called "drafts."
>Shifting from the rough drafts isn't "making it up as they go."
We're talking literally last-minute writings here.
Not only that, this entirely disproves the idea that "everything was set in stone from the beginning".
He made it up as he went along. That's a fact.
>>139263588
>>139263510
>hurr dur reifag
Go ahead, quote him on that. He was half-way assuming "credit" for the Attack on Titan premise.
>>139263610
10% of rei's screentime was of her talking
think about that for a moment
>>139263422
They understood random people as much as you'd understand someone you never saw before doing things you never saw done before. Their interpretation of human thinking is more solid than 18th century europeans visiting africa. They are not all knowing and they clearly don't see things the way we do, but they are able to communicate when their bodies have the right appeandages so they can't be seen as mindless.
>>139263666
At this point you're just incoherently angry.
Take a minute. Masturbate to Rei.
Come back when you're not so flustered.
>>139259548
Its not fake, and even if it were, why would you want to rob Hitler of his greatest achievement?
Stop masturbating to 14 year olds america
>>139263741
No no, at this point, you're without any arguments left. There is exactly zero evidence everything was set from the start like you argued.
I don't even get why you're bitching. If anything, improv is harder than having a set routine.
Please stop being so goddamned unintelligent and wrong.
>>139258202
Ambiguously in Eoe. If we're talking about Rebuild then yes, he did fuck shit up but not intentionally.
>>139263688
That much?
Seems like it'd be lower.
rei has a nice apartment, would say. It'sComfy?
>>139263903
He's obviously bullshitting.
>>139263666
No one said anything was "set in stone." That's just a strawman you're making up.
Just that there were drafts who were roughly followed until Anno started shifting things.
The entire show wasn't a miserable pile of improvisation like you keep trying to pretend.
>>139263589
I personally never saw it as a joke. The ending focused on the characters and their issues over action and fights. It resolved what I wanted resolved in an original way. It even had a meta commentary on how this story could had been played straight, which I felt reinforced how the series ending cared more for what made the show special than what the genre demanded.
When I first heard of the movies it seemed tacky. The big evil does the final attack while the secret masterplan was played against the clock ending in the now official couple surviving the end of the world. When I watched it was much better than what I imagined, because it's really well done and unique, but its strength was something that wasn't that big in the original series.
But we're discussing it right now. We have opinions that we can explain and find different grounds in the source material. I'm sure that's what makes this anime special, even if a lot of people think it deserves to be hated.
>>139263913
>literally 40 ºC
it's brazil
>>139263798
Fuck off back to /c/ Reifag. Adults are talking.
>>139263246
>>139263377
It's all good. As the series shows, Asukafags can't understand Reifags and vice-versa, but it's not like we can't try.
Peace, but I have to let you know thatthe toilet meme is retarded.
>>139263666
>Not only that, this entirely disproves the idea that "everything was set in stone from the beginning".
So it can only be all on the spot or all from the begining? What kind of argument are you doing?
>>139263952
Gendo genuinely cared about rei because she was a clone of Yui
>>139263953
It's not a strawman, idiot. Anno did make up things as he went along. As did everyone. NGE is not written by Anno alone, it's not all his dialogue, his plot elements, it comes from a bunch of people.
>>139263965
what does that mean, it's hot?
>>139263993
An autistic twat donkey argument where everything MUST be black or white.
>>139263987
i don't like 7x1,nor rei
i arealdy said thatYou Only Kiss Once Y.O.K.O
>>139263688
I don't see your point. Characters don't need to talk to achieve anything, it's easier and keeps you paying attention its the way most interactions go, but that's not an argument about anything.
>>139263987
One autist reposting the same shit over and over isn't a meme, it's shitposting.
Guys, this Reifag is obviously buttflustered that Anno doesn't think his waifu is a good character. He's been trying to make arguments defaming the show and its creator forever, forgetting the fact that the very Anno he hates so much is the one who wrote Rei. And he himself was unsatisfied with how she turned out.
>>139264026
It's almost 20% hotter than your body temperature.
>>139264026
it's hot as fuck,dude don't even come down here
it's like sweaty and smelly,unless you have an A/C
which in Rei's case she does not
>>139264048
there is one problem when 80% of the show is about the characters talking about their issues.
you still make a point though
>>139264026
>>139263965
>he wasn't paying attention to how 2nd Impact fucked up the world's axis and it's always summer
Why do you think cicadas are screaming in literally every outdoor scene?
>>139263994
Also he had dibs on her, so you could say that Shinji almost NTR'd him with Rei II
>>139264149
Shinji didn't give a shit about Rei
>>139264092
Anno is kind of a dick who gives no fucks.
I mean, he only liked Asuka because "she's cute."
>>139264106
But when the characters talk they rarely achieve anything, most of the time they are expressing lies that you can see for what they are when they are confronted with reality. Very little dialogue is to be taken as complete truth outside of the comedy moments.
>>139263982
Adults tend to not make shit up like you. How about you take a hike to /c/?
>>139263993
The argument is simple.
Anno, or the members of Gainax, did not invent Evangelion by defining it in it's entirety before they began.
Nor did they have a solid plan of what to do, or not to do. Anno genuinely, according to himself, started out the whole thing with the idea that it was going to be an awesome robot show. Due to various factors, strokes of genius, coincidences and whatnot, it became NGE instead.
Many attribute depression, pressure and a tight time-frame to the reasons why.
To say that "Anno had it all figured out from the start" is blatant ignorance, only capable of being shown by absolute moron waifutards like: >>139264092
who are only here to peddle waifu-bullshit.
NGE was a rocky ride. Many things, including no doubt what was in NGE2, was invented after the fact. The original plans for NGE, the original draft, draws an entirely different show.
>>139258202
What a legend
>>139264141
what's wrong with Summer? Now I won't have to worry about being cold and I can wear hawaiian shirts everyday like in Magnum P.I.
As I see it, the show is mainly about deep-rooted psychological issues like you see in people with personality disorders and about the existential problem of dealing with "otherness".
I think the theological themes are there to punctuate that. What is so typical for the theological traditions that are referenced, is that everything takes place within a single divine spirit, in which other individuals are nonetheless allowed to exist and even have a free will. The irony is that the show focuses on characters that somehow have such severe attachment disorder issues that they seem to have trouble with the very notion of other psychic entities even existing at all. That seems to me what is hinted at in a lot of the introspective stuff. The central theme of the show therefore seems to me to be something existential; it's about the paradoxical relationship of human souls with the bare fact of "Otherness". It's interesting to note how the soundtrack seems to have titles that directly refer to theories that deal with these issues, psychoanalysis and so on.
How this seems to play out on a plot level is, it seems like the Angels are responding to what the characters in the show are doing as a kind of "cosmic immune system" would, pretty much like actual angels probably would when confronted with deeds of such hubris. In a way, Shinji's personality is kind of the morbid conclusion of humanity's tendency to this hubris as exemplified by his father. His strong, destructive urges to reject otherness and to put himself, "spiritually" in a position that could only be attributed to God (to want to be a spirit all unto itself), seem to be, ironically, what enables him to be the "chosen one" to fight angels. The underlying tragedy of the show seems to be that the characters with which the viewer becomes familiar turn out to be monsters, they are literally doing something of the same order as the antagonists of the Book of Revelation are portrayed to be doing.
>>139264192
He's based as fuck.
>>139264141
>Why do you think cicadas are screaming in literally every outdoor scene?
Because anime? Isn't that a thing?
>>139264178
He wanted tobecome friends with her.
That's lewd enough for me.
>>139264178
I guess it's time for the Asukafag shitposters now.
>>139263377
Then you didn't get it, otherwise your post would not exist.
3.33 isn't applicable for what Rei is because wake the fuck up, 3.33 doesn't even have Rei in it, and the only Rei with any character to actually assess is NGE's Rei.
If you didn't get "that" moment from NGE, then you clearly didn't watch it.
>>139264260
Did he really? In the beginning he was curious why his father liked her and not him, but then he just grew indifferent to her entire existence.
>>139264278
Why do Reifags hate Shinji so much? Because he's a better character than their waifu will ever be?
>>139259548
Apolo 11 doesn't landed on the moon either.
>>139264226
What do you mean by entirely different? For what I've read and seen the ideas were there but not the execution, and that's how it always goes or directors would work entirely in the preproduction and then the animators would do everything by themselves. If anything it's wise to keep a close eye on how the show develops because actually seeing it will always be different from your plans. You can't expect anything to be completely designed from the start and end up looking anything as planned.
Still, I'm sure the other anon agrees that there were changes as it went, your discussion doesn't make sense to the anons outside of it.
>>139264332
>>139264260
They're already friends in the anime. They chat, hang out and have sweet moments together. Shinji cleans Rei's room, and totally bro out.
They don't speak much, but a relationship is formed, they're comrades in arms and sympathetic to each other.
>>139264208
they are opening themselfes more to the viewer,making the viewer understand their points and see if they are right or wrong,based on their judgement.
if you have a character "shrouded in musteryy",said character will not achieve anything in this kind of show,even though we know her story,we don't know her exact viewpoint
we know that she thinks that she is not a doll,but why?she was made a doll and never said anything about it,why didn't she just tried to gave a point?
>>139264326
>the only thing that maked me actually sympathize with rei is not canon
fuck,so she literally is just a fucking doll?
>>139264226
You blatantly lied about what Anno said in an interview.
Go home Reifag.
>>139264388
Stop giving this waifufag attention, he only watched the show for Rei and doesn't care about anything outside of it.
>>139264374
I don't hate Shinji.
And how can he be better than my waifu when he IS my waifu?
>>139264244
samefagging, I just wanted to point out, how similar these themes are to those of Marilyn Manson's album Antichrist Superstar. Which are from about the same era, actually.
Not that any of you plebs know wtf I'm talking about
>>139264374
>Why do Reifags hate Shinji so much? Because he's a better character than their waifu will ever be?
Rei fans are the only fan grouping in this fanbase actually friendly towards the Shinji character though. If you want downright Shinji abuse, you'll find it among the casal "haha, shinji is such a wuss"-group, or the Asuka/Kaworu fan-groupings.
You can tell by who defends who in NGE.
>>139264411
You don't become friends with someone by talking to them twice.
Shinji and Rei hardly have any scenes together.
>>139264443
you like him because he is just like you
>mentally retarded
>thinks he is doing the right think
>doenst understand morals
>think's everyone is wrong about his opinion
you are what you eat
>>139264460
Nigga, you post the scene of Rei slapping Shinji all the time.
Reifags are the worst.
>>139264388
>You blatantly lied about what Anno said in an interview.
I'm entirely open to the idea that what I said was wrong. I'm going by memory, and I stand by what I remember.
What I remember, is that Anno explained that he had already come up with something like "Attack on Titan" for Evangelion's ending.
Care to find the interview that clears the issue?
By the way, calling me "Reifag" is just poor form.
>>139264374
>Why do Reifags hate Shinji so much?
In what world? Only sub-grouping amicable to the character bar most Misato fans.
>>139259928
>Casually
Based otouto
>>139264422
>fuck,so she literally is just a fucking doll?
Right now Rei Q is, but Rei herself isn't.
If wondering "what am I" makes you consider Rei human, then just go watch NGE where she literally spends an entire monologue asking herself that.
>>139264460
Reifags tend to hate every character in the show that isn't Rei, and that shows in every thread they show up in, so I'd say you're bullshitting.
>>139264244
I was on board until you started making shinji into a hero. I never saw him as such and when he saved the day it was always because others were fucking it up with their own issues and he was being used by those above him (in NERV or inside the robot). The main characters don't progress the final destination, they are just soldiers sent to maybe die to protect a cause they have no connection to. Azuka is by far the worst since she's so proud of being useful that she never questions what's going on, but they are all teens with issues in the end so you understand them.
It's a show about personal issues and maybe PTSD, with the world changing plan happening as a background. Shinji isn't more of a destined hero than a soldier that goes back home.
>>139264532
What the actual hell, since when does posting something from NGE mean you condone that action?
>oh yeah, I posted EoE that means I condone the deaths of hundreds of innocents during the slaughter of NERV
It's like you Asuka-tards are being stupid on purpose.
>>139264581
Well, wouldn't you do the same if you're waifu barely even showed up in the show?
They were tricked into thinking Rei would actually be relevant for being anything other than a plot device. Based Anno don't give a fug.
>>139264578
looks like she really was "El Rei" of monologues
>>139264332
He cares about her and is happy having her around. That's what having a friend is somtimes. He never tries to further the relatioship too much but for those two being happy with people close to you and interacting with them is a pretty decent friendship.
The other friends shinji has impose over him, and in his case its healthy since he needs to be pushed a bit, but with Rei they both sort of end up being cool with the other.
>>139264624
That's because Rei was only bait for Anno to get Sailor Moon's director on the show. When he refused Anno used her as a background prop.
>>139264388
>>139264534
meant for >>139264426
>>139264388
>What do you mean by entirely different?
Entirely different. The ideas are different, not just the execution.
So far you've made the point that I'm right here. My discussion makes sense, only a few butthurt Asukafags or Kaworufags get ill by the thought of being wrong about something, and that it might be a Reifag correcting them. It's sick.
>>139264685
Sounds like fanwank to me. They only have three conversations in the entire show.
Shinji never gives indication he sees her as a friend, just a coworker.
So what? Post EoE you could just manifest yourself back to normal out if the tang if you wanted too? Wouldn't shinji and asuka just starve out there? Is being in the tang like an orgy?
>>139264624
>>139264687
>asukafags and kaworufags ganging up on Reifags
You can whine all you want, children. Rei stands as a better, more popular and more successful character in her original iteration than any of your aforementioned favorites.
>>139264260
>Because anime? Isn't that a thing?
It traditionally indicates that it is summer in anime. But if you pay attention to on-screen calendars in Evangelion, you'll notice they're screaming in the middle of November and December, long after summer.
>>139264685
He didn't even cry when she "died", I never got the impression that Shinji genuinely cared about anyone in the show
>>139264753
>what is yoko
>>139264624
Except it's 2016, not 1997 and today you're just bitter that Rei ended up a better character than
>you're
favorite.
In 2016, and hell, ever since 1997 you've got squads of buttmad Kaworufans not ready to yet accept that their fetish-character was present for one episode and isn't even half the character the rest are.
Then there's Asuka-fans still unable to accept that Asuka was humbled by Rei in the original.
This is why you shitpost today, in 2016. Grow up, get over it already.
>>139264422
The characters act and in those actions you get a confirmation of what they said or their true feelings. Rei passes from openly not caring if people see her naked to talking to Azuka in a normal setting. It's a tiny improvement but it's much more important than anything she says. It's not a matter of being shrouded in mistery, it's the characters not knowing themselves. I wouldn't think anyone in Eva fits the misterious character idea, except Kaiji and he stands out a lot because he's the only one who doesn't act clearer than he talks.
>>139264753
And like clockwork, Reifags bring up waifuwars again because they can't discuss like mature adults.
Jesus Christ.
>>139264753
Rei a cute, but Asuka a best girl
>>139264794
>yoko
is symptomatic to having shit taste, being a likely asukafag sympathizer because
>muh redhead tsun tsun
>>139264851
>And like clockwork, Reifags bring up waifuwars again because they can't discuss like mature adults.
>Jesus Christ.
Except no one's buying it, you filthy asuka/kaworufag.
This:
>Well, wouldn't you do the same if you're waifu barely even showed up in the show?
>They were tricked into thinking Rei would actually be relevant for being anything other than a plot device. Based Anno don't give a fug.
>That's because Rei was only bait for Anno to get Sailor Moon's director on the show. When he refused Anno used her as a background prop.
is waifuwars not started by Rei fans, but by your ugly lot.
>>139264825
>can't discuss so brings up fanbase meta
Classic waifufag.
>>139264588
Excepting the "nigga"s I can perfectly imagine that being said by Anno in a low and sad tone looking away from the camera.
It's comforting to know that red vs blue will continue to be a thing for hundreds of years to come.
Reifag shits up the thread with more waifuwars again. Nothing to see here folks.
>>139264581
>Reifags tend to hate every character in the show that isn't Rei, and that shows in every thread they show up in, so I'd say you're bullshitting.
That never shows.
If anything, it's the filthy kind of waifufag such as yourself. No one else but Rei-fans and some concerned others, mostly Misato fans, actually bothered to voice Shinji's side in either NGE or Rebuild.
Since your fanbase exists by degrading Shinji, Rei fans and the rest resisting makes you angry, and in turn makes you hate Reifags.
The one thing you can't blame on them is hating on Shinji. Try red or white.
>>139264753
Asuka is best. Fuck off.
>>139265006
He has to bring it up in every Eva discussion because he's insecure about Rei.
>>139264941
>unironically thinks >>139264624
>isn't waifu meta
Classic waifufag of the red or gray kind. Why is it that you're never unable to shitpost when given the chance?
>>139258240
Tinfoilers pls go
>>139265078
It's no secret that Rei didn't get much screentime in the show, why are you so angry?
>>139264602
I didn't imply he's the hero at all, quite the contrary, he's at best a tragic protagonist like Hamlet and at worst the closest thing to the Antichrist. I think the exact way in which they turn out to be trying to change the world (things like the human instrumentality project) are too closely related to the psychological issues the show deals with for this to be entirely coincidental. They are in a sense literally trying to trigger the rapture, it seems to me that this is really the underlying reason why they attract angel attacks, who can not see this as anything other than an abomination. And it really does very much have to do with the psychological issues of the characters, being attachment and personality disorders. The common theme remains that of "Otherness", of being able to cope (or not) with the existential fact of there being entities (or even anything at all) that isn't you. In terms of the kind of spirituality you find in the "abrahamic" traditions of the religions the show loves to reference, that is very much the same thing as rebelling against divine nature because you would want to be like God in a way divine nature doesnt allow. If that makes any sense. The point is, there is a very strong thematic unity between what's happening on the character development level and what's happening on the weird gothic sci fi level. This is corroborated by stuff like the references to psychoanalysis in stuff like the episode and soundtrack titles etc...
>>139265006
>>139265071
>anti-reifag kaworufaggotry and asukafaggotry
Nevermind Asuka fans and Kaworu fans have been starting shit this entire thread, of course.
You started throwing shit, you started shitposting. It's on you, again.
WHEN THE FUCK IS 1.0+3.0 HAPPENING
>>139258202
Well, perhaps they shouldn't have basically forced a depressed 14 year old to fight for their worthless lives without a single back-up plan. Shinji did the right thing.
Please don't bully the waifus
>>139259746
I almost got a hernia from laughing so hard.
>>139265125
>It's no secret that Rei didn't get much screentime in the show, why are you so angry?
It's no secret that he isn't talking about that, but making up stories about Rei fans. If it isn't you.
The only ones butthurt after NGE were Asuka fans and disappointed Kaworu x Shinji shippers. The most popular and satisfied base were the Rei fans, this is history already.
>>139264724
I can help but think you expect them to act as if this were a happy slice of life. The first interaction they have has her naked and not caring about him, she doesn't see him as a you'd see a human being. Eventually she has minor conversations with him and they talk in the job. That's evolution, really tiny but huge for the character. From "people don't exist I just do job" to "people exist and I can ask them why they do things" is friendship in the Rei scale. She'll never be pals with someone and go drinking, she'll never talk about the guy she likes, she'll never ask him to remodel her house. She can't do that, she was literally born as a tool for a job. Having a co-worker level relationship is the biggest friendship she could have.
>>139265125
Can you stop replying to the Reifag?
He'll only further derail the thread with his stupid red vs. blue shit like usual.
Cancer like this can only thrive when you give attention to it.
>>139264787
I though Fuyutsuki said it was permanently autum when talking with Gendo in a flashback (very minor thing that I remember because I like autum). But I was just making a joke about the over use of cicadas.
SEVEN
BILLION
PEOPLE
>>139265215
I was saying how Shinji sees her, not as Rei sees him.
Reminder that Misato is best girl and if she had survived Shinji would have fucked her pussy and friendzoned Asuka and Rei.
>>139265184
But I want to bully Asuka-chan!
>>139264978
Britain and France will never see peace.
>>139265184
It's all the Reifag can do, pay him no mind.
>>139265125
Dude, you're not talking about Rei's screentime. You're slandering Rei fans with nonsense that simply isn't true.
Rei is one of the main characters and is also one of the characters with the most screentime. Even so, we both know screentime != quality, or a good character.
You need some, but Rei has plenty. She was there from the start, to the end, and it adds up.
What stands in Rei's favor is that she's a more complete character than characters who say, lack an ending or a proper conclusion to their character.
>>139265229
>>139265125
Hey, stop replying to yourself/doing damage control for people you agree with.
Asuka fans and Kaworu fans are, yet again, in the wrong. It's no secret that Asuka fans have been banned constantly over the past week, making thread after thread that's been banned and removed.
It's no point trying to defend your side when the facts are like this. Stop shitposting, be better than that fireposter asuka fan of yours and people like him.
>>139265302
Didn't Shinji already reject her?
>>139265436
I've hardly been active this thread, stop boogeymanning me.
>>139264941
>asukafag brings up fanbase meta first
>tries to pin it on a reifag when called out
Not unsurprising for Asuka fans to have this much lack of self-insight. I don't even think it's shitposting, it's genuine idiocy.
>>139265499
Stop responding to him, he's been shitting up Eva threads for years with his retarded textwalls.
>>139265499
The wake of ruined threads and banned IP's you left behind you will forever discredit Asuka fans as the worst, worst kind of poster this board has ever seen.
>>139265126
It's usually considered too obvious to bring up, but yeah, obviously the characters have problems connecting and the big plan behind it all is connecting every human. That's the reasson I prefer the original ending that centers on resolving what it means to be with others and even what "the other" means.
But you're still focusing too much on the importance of shinji. He isn't really important to anything, besides being a more solid fighter than the rest it could had all been acomplished without him. He is a protagonist for the audience, not the plot. He's the focus of the show and all the themes and connections are made through him, but the end game isn't related to him. Again, he's pretty much a soldier on the front lines. We focalize on him and the story exists for him to develop, but his acomplishment is entirely personal.
>>139265539
I really should know better than to respond. My bad.
>>139265539
>>139265580
>literally defending the fireposter
Just isn't any low you won't sink to, is there?
>>139265539
If people had the self-control to just not respond to him, Eva threads wouldn't be as shit as they are.
You can tell who he is without him even having a trip, his posts usually start with why you should hate Asuka and think Rei is the best thing since sliced bread.
>>139265286
Shinji keeps trying to connect with her, every interaction we see is him trying to understand. His reaction when Rei II dies and Rei III enters shows how much she had grown on him.
In the first post you replied to I said he wanted to become friends, never said they fully achieved it even though Rei II was as cool with him as it could get.
>>139265626
Then explain how it's Asuka fans and Kaworu fans who are slinging their mud across this thread, not Rei fans.
>>139265580
Not a problem. Just continue discussion and hopefully the Reifag will eventually fuck off back to /c/.
>>139265660
>His reaction when Rei II dies
You mean his reaction where he didn't even cry?
>Rei III enters
You mean his reaction where he didn't even seem happy?
>>139265494
He just didn't know how to deal with so much woman. If he had gotten a little bit more time to process it things would had gone different and I've read dozens of doujinshis that clearly exemplify how it would end.
>>139265626
>>139265671
>yes, let's pretend Asuka fans and/or Kaworu fans didn't start throwing crap for no reason
Reminder that the thread and it's existence proves you wrong.
Another thread ruined by Reifags? Oh boy.
>>139265671
If you two buzzed off, we'd most likely get good discussion.
>>139265811
Don't acknowledge attentionwhores.
They're so desperate they've started responding to posts from 10 minutes ago.
>>139265715
I'm pretty sure he was sad she died, I don't remember the exact images but it would had been jarring if he was all like "whatev, shit happens". When Rei III appears shinji tries to talk to her and she's back to the original place, as I said it looks like a tiny difference as it goes but switching back to it remarks the difference there was.
As I said, they never were supper buddies and Rei just couldn't be that. She had a tiny arc in which she started to become a real girl and then exploted. That was her use for the plot and she fullfilled it.
Also, if you want shinji crying for rei you have the tears of happiness in ep5. I was ignoring that because it's a rushed jump into their connection meant more to develop the shinji-gendo relationship than the shinji-rei one.
>>139264426
>>139264700
Here it is. Looks like the Asukafags (or is it trolling Kaworu fag this time) was the one lying, or at least being overtly aggressive.
>It seems that for the movie produced after the end of the TV series there was a plan to create an entirely new story in addition to remakes of Episodes 25 and 26. Anno also used his motto for this all-new project, and he gave himself up emotionally and physically. The scenario was similar to Attack on Titan, as Anno explained: “There is a city surrounded by an A.T. Field, and in that city live only humans. There is only one bridge in or out of the city. Outside the walls of the A.T. Field live Angels who prey on humans.” “What we couldn’t do on TV was show humans being eaten because being eaten is extremely terrifying to people,” said Anno regarding this completed work that would become a phantom.
So in addition to the DC cuts, the EoE movie might have been Eva Attack on Titan. Anno obviously made up things as he went along, here.
>>139265572
But maybe you shouldn't interpret how I describe things as Shinji being that important either. He is what he is, he certainly has an important role to play, this is hard to deny, albeit in spite of himself. Then of course it's in his nature to do almost everything in spite of himself, which is part of the issue I think.
The bottom line is, he happens to be the guy for the job. But I think the reasons I bring up as to why he happens to be the guy for the job make sense. It's just he doesn't seem to realize how anything of it works on a conscious level; if one thing can be said of all this it's that it confuses the hell out of him. It's more like what happens to him is symptomatic than that he is somehow personally the cause of what is happening. But perhaps the way in which his role and his personal import are important is itself paradoxical in a way typical for tragic protagonists: they are carried towards their fate, often when they try hardest to undercut it they are working hardest towards it. That is why he is after all still kind of likable or at least relatable.
>>139265715
His reaction is, given his own words, that he "was sad, but the tears wouldn't come."
Shock, apathy, and wanting to be left alone.
>You mean his reaction where he didn't even seem happy?
He's smiling and blushing, and he came running to see her. That works for "happy" as far as I'm concerned.
>>139265973
What's the matter with Asuka fans these days, they've been on an all-shitposting brigade lately.
>>139265811
You're helping so much! It's almost as if you weren't shitting the thread!
>>139266034
>"was sad, but the tears wouldn't come."
So, he's sad. Just not sad enough. He cries when other people in the series die, why not Rei?
>He's smiling and blushing
He was?
>>139265889
As if that would change anything, the Reifag will just reply to himself like usual.
It's his role in life to derail every topic of Eva discussion into fanbase meta. It's fucking disgusting.
>>139266032
Shinji is the most important role in Evangelion.
>>139266167
>So, he's sad. Just not sad enough. He cries when other people in the series die, why not Rei?
There's no tears when Asuka dies, or when Kaji dies.
I think Shinji is sad. He seems down, and says he's sad himself. He doesn't want Misato to come close to him, despite finding comfort with her earlier in the series.
He seems to be struck with shock and disbelief, hence he so readily accepts that Rei is alive. It hadn't quite sunk in yet, apparently.
>He was?
That's what I remember, can't check on it right now, but I remember running (sound of it at least), exhausted voice calling Ayanami, and a smile as he stands leaned to the wall. There might not be the characteristic "red" blush, but there's the grey-happy type.
>>139266158
He's either replying to himself, or playing ping-pong with another Rei-hater. Neither of them ever made a single constructive post, and only kept accusing Rei fans for things they haven't done since the start. It's nothing new.
>>139266032
I don't see how shinji is important for the purely story plot, besides obviously being good piloting a mecha. If we had Amuro in a Gundam with an AT field Seele's plan would had been the same. We wouldn't know about Misato's past, Rei would had been stuck in her tool mode, Azuka would break under pressure, Kaiji would be dead, Gendo would get Adam and the lance ou of the way.
Shinji is there for the narrative aspect, how we see this story is filtered through his issues and weaknesses. And obviously it connects thematically because it's a story about human connection, but I'm not on board with considering Shinji above a henchman in this universe. In the original ending his evolution is completed through the instrumentation, he isn't even in charge of his own growth so he needs an external force to close it. If anything he's a victim of the circumstances and goes along the ride. He doesn't change anything at the end and he wasn't ever meant to.
>>139266034
>His reaction is, given his own words, that he "was sad, but the tears wouldn't come."
>Shock, apathy, and wanting to be left alone.
fuck, I think I want to see the series again.
>>139264192
Well, Anno is the one who wrote all the characters, and if he says Rei isn't well-written than she isn't.
>>139266472
>fuck, I think I want to see the series again.
It's a great series, and there's many details easy to miss.
>>139266508
So you'd also guess that if Mozart said that his works weren't well written, they weren't?
Apply to any other writer saying the same.
>>139266357
>Shinji is the most important role in Evangelion.
For the narrative, not for the story. He is the focalization point, we see the world through him, and his existence is what constructs the themes. He isn't important for the story besides winning the fights, if Azuka and Rei were competent it could all had worked without him.
He is the most important role for everything that matters, he isn't a messianic figure or a savior or anything important in a pragmatic way.
>>139266570
Mozart or any other writer/author knows better about their work than I do, so I'd say so.
I can have a different opinion, but it won't be objectively right.
>>139266357
OK but the discussion I was having with this guy was, is his role in the world of Evangelion comparable to that of a figure like the Antichrist or the Beast in the Bible. Not just important in the subjective experience that the show is to the viewer.
> I think Shinji is sad. He seems down, and says he's sad himself.
I think this kind of analysis exactly misses the point of what a broken up person he is. He has what amounts to a severe personality disorder which accounts for his destructive and sadistic tendencies. The fact that he has these tendencies while having the character of a shy, well meaning teenage shut in only further illustrate how disturbed he is. This makes trying to capture his reactions interpreted in terms like "sad because she died" moot, at least in trying to assess how it's really affecting him.
>>139266512
I must have watched more than half a dozen times. The problem is that the pacing doesn't lend itself to binge watching as much as I would like so now I either stop around episode 7 or just watch it from the second half. I still can't care about the new movies, though.
>>139266357
Shinji only cries at the deaths of people he cares about.
>>139266651
The author isn't objectively right either. If you make a horrible food and insist it's tasty that doesn't change anything, if you make a delicious food but your low selfesteem makes you insist it's shit it doesn't default on people puking after eating. When a creator expresses something it's unrelated to the end product, he's talking from a different perspective and he could never see it as something external to him.
Another easy example would be an author with some very evident issue he doesn't want to admit, let's say a sculptor has a complex about his big nose. He makes sculptures with ridiculously tiny noses. Everyone can see that he has a big nose and makes little noses, no one is fooled besides himself since he won't identify the source of his issue. His own issues make him unable to understand his production.
>>139266626
I think we disagree here because we define story differently.
To me, the progression of defeating Angels and the existence of key turns as you describe, sound more to me like what I'd define as plot. The story would be the emotions and meanings conveyed through the execution and detailing surrounding the plot.
The story as I see it with definition, is entirely reliant on Shinji and is more or less inseperable, the anxiety of this japanese male in a society that feels doomed and responsibility weighs on your shoulders when you feel you can't perform or don't know how, is only possible through Shinji.
Rei would tackle this uncertainty by steadfastly doing her best, keeping cool at all times even at the cost of her own happiness
Asuka would also attempt but fail due to inadequacy and falling out with her peers over petty drama.
So while Shinji's position in what I call plot and you call story is almost random and up to chance, what I call story can't do without him.
>>139266697
> is his role in the world of Evangelion comparable to that of a figure like the Antichrist or the Beast in the Bible.
hm, well that's a flat out rejection by me. Given what I know about the figures, they are an absolute mismatch.
>>139266651
>Mozart or any other writer/author knows better about their work than I do, so I'd say so.
Not necessarily, I may know full well more about the work one of the students delivered to me while I was assisting math and programming professors back in university than the students submitting it.
Even if they knew more, they could lie about their work to attain some other goal they have.
Hideaki Anno's opinion is tainted by the color of his own Eva fandom.
>>139266982
Nice blog faggio, where can we subscribe?
>>139266894
>The author isn't objectively right either.
He is when it comes to objective facts.
>>139258202
gotta do wut u gotta do :o)
>>139267045
Reifag-attentionwhore.net
The password is: I'm so insecure about Asuka I have to post about her every day.
>>139266357
>There's no tears when Asuka dies
Yeah man, he only screams in mortal rage and primal terror and then the world ends; it's not like he CARED about her or anything
>>139266894
>>139266982
In Anno's case, the reason he's giving Rei such a hard time in interviews and seem to hate the fact that she has many fans, is because he's not a fan of her himself, but he is a self-professed huge fan of Asuka.
Asuka is modeled after his "ideal" anime girls, feisty yet vulnerable, and Asuka is very much his own idealized version of characters he likes, like Kushana. Kushana in Nausicaa has the same backstory, more or less.
Kushana is born to a royal mother, who to ensure the survival of her child, has to inbibe a special potion which will leave her a soulless husk. Kushana's mother then keeps a doll, which she refers to as "Kushana". This loss of her mother eggs Kushana on to attempt to become strong, and instead of an EVA-pilot, she becomes a warrior princess, never quite getting over what happened with her mother, this being one of her weak points.
>>139267053
Definitely not. The author is just a human being, entirely capable of deception and forgetfulness.
>>139267151
Yet no tears, just like the shampoo promises. Don't be a butthurt and retarded Asukafag. I never said Shinji didn't care.
Watching NGE, it's obvious that Shinji cares about those around him, but becomes so frustrated and frightened by the horrors and failures he has that he goes his own way.
>>139267053
Did you just ignore his entire argument? Not that guy, but just reiterating your opinion only shows that you're stubborn.
>>139267085
>implying I don't just like posting about Asuka
>>139267350
>implying you're me
>>139266885
>*Shinji only cries at the deaths of people worth caring about
>>139266982
> hm, well that's a flat out rejection by me. Given what I know about the figures, they are an absolute mismatch.
Hm, well I'm not sure you have followed the argument I was making about what his personality is like.
But in more concrete terms of what seems to be "objectively" happening in the plot, he does play a role that is more similar than it may appear. He does actually bring about a kind of apocalypse. He's fighting angels for what turns out to be an evil organization that's at least toying with forces that may alter or destroy all spiritual life. Isn't there some soldier character that literally comments that he has become like the antichrist in one of those ending things?
>>139266982
Well, I tried to explain what I was refering to with story vs narrative. Story is what happens while narrative is how it happens. Plot is more like the structure that the story follows, the points of change and rises/lows in stress. But then you proceeded to consider Rei or Azuke in Shinji's role. I wasn't saying they could convey the themes or deal with his issues, just that the only reasson why Shinji is vital for the big plan is because those two fail to contain most angels.
We could had the same themes if Shinji had stayed with the Chello teacher and this were a slice of life. When the instrumentation happened he would had ended up in the same chair discussing with other people until he opened up. He wasn't needed for the plot/story to unfold, he didn't have a role in the big picture. He was big to us, the viewers, since this is his story. The most interesting parts of Eva are all about him, but his growth is just human growth. Connections with people are his enemies, not the angels. That's why I'm not on board with considering his position something to elevate above a grunt.
As I said before, he could be seen as a soldier on the front lines. His experience forces him to change and understand himself and that's the point of the show, but he's just doing a job and it shouldn't be mixed with his importance. Shinji the MC is important, Shinji the pilot isn't that much.
Also, it's nice that I've been using the word "show" and no one raged. That's rare in /a/
>hm, well that's a flat out rejection by me.
Oh, I though that was you too. I'm a bit confused with thus combo.
>>139259785
There's been worse post apocalyptic scenarios, to be honest. I'm sure people would be able to survive just making sure not to drink the Tang.
>>139267390
>implying *you're* me
>>139267255
Your first line made me laught out loud, the second one made me hate you for fanning the flames and then I was okay with the rest.
B+
>>139267490
Not that anon, although I was arguing with you on other posts.
I just can't really see the whole "angel" thing as more than code words that Seele uses because they like it. There is nothing actually religious about anything and it's not as if the angels present themselves as such with a name tag. If anything it's the way Seele choses to see them more than anything else.
>>139267530
But it looks so tasty!!
>>139267516
> We could had the same themes if Shinji had stayed with the Chello teacher and this were a slice of life. When the instrumentation happened he would had ended up in the same chair discussing with other people until he opened up. He wasn't needed for the plot/story to unfold, he didn't have a role in the big picture. He was big to us, the viewers, since this is his story. The most interesting parts of Eva are all about him, but his growth is just human growth. Connections with people are his enemies, not the angels.
OK but why are you completely disregarding that he is, in fact, battling angels, and that it is, in fact, very much "in character"? I think it's worth while to point out here, again, that he is a deeply disturbed character with severe personality issues, so severe that they become "spiritual" and "existential" issues in ways that are important and obvious. Not just that, they are practically spelled out for us by the show. So are the likenesses between what is happening on a psychological level with his personality and what is happening between humanity and the angels.
I think you should consider the following: lets consider your suggestion that this was just about a kid taking cello lessons, just slice of life, but with exactly his personality as it is presented to us in the show. I think it's almost certain that he would turn out to be a shut in nutjob that would foster fantasies about things exactly like what actually seems to be happening in the show. Perhaps he would even be delusional about it. I'm not trying to pull a "what if the protagonist is just imagining everything" here, but it's really not that far from the truth of what Shinji is really like
>>139267722
The thing with that is, there are central themes to that whole sci fi plot thing which are also themes to what is going on with Shinji's personality. And they are themes which also feature in the thought systems that are the religions which these symbols are drawn from.
It all seems to me to revolve around the idea of human beings being incapable of coming to terms with how highly individualized and lost in their own materiality they are and how we tend to represent spiritual beings to be the opposite of that. You know, just like how humanity is seen in these religions as very bad at coming to terms that they are like tiny figures made of clay, created somehow by the one spirit of the universe, perhaps out of loneliness. Then there is the theme that humanity would want to overcome these shortcomings in a way that is innappropriate and really a kind of corruption or perversion of what it's really trying to attain.Kind of like the tower of Babel myth. Isn't that what is at stake at least in the whole human instrumentality business and all the intrigues surrounding it?
>>139261892
You know, this actually raises a good point.
You could argue humanity does more harm than good to their own race, and even to the Earth.
Because we're humans, it's in our nature to want to protect ourselves and consider our species worthy of existing, but what would an alien from another galaxy think, for example?
After all the shit we've done to eachother, it's easy to see why they might think otherwise.
>>139267800
Of all the characters I'd say Shinji is the less disturbed one, anyone can identify with his issues. Azuka had her mother crazy and her father living her, Rei is growth as a souless tool, Misato had her father dying for her. Shinji just deals with early rejection and self doubt, he is an exagerated version of a regular teen.
The fight with the angels is a catalyst for his growth, just as much as having to live with other people or having someone he feels he should help and care about (since his relationship with Rei is prety paternalistic). But that's still his personal evolution, it's not the plot.
If Azuka could had protected Adam and the Eva02 alone, if Rei could had shot the cube angel on her oen, or if they had every child in the school piloting their own mecha; shinji would still end up in that chair trying to understad how to let others love him. He isn't a messia or a fallen angel, he's just a kid dealing with shit over his head like so many characters.
We have to see a division between shinji as protagonist of a narrative and shinji as a tool to express the ideas of the show. The second one is the most impotant aspect and it says a lot about an author who makes a plot about not seeing yourself as a tool using characters as such.
>>139268246
I feel all of that is just color. When other anons were talking about the star childs or FAR and whatever from the PS2 game it made as much sense as a religious view and didn't take anything away from the main focus on the character growth.
>>139268758
The problem I have with that is, that the show actually explicitly does discuss these "religious" themes in those terms. To the point that it's just weird to me how people keep shutting them out. The obvious similarities between the ending and the rapture, comments like "evangelizing the world", or soldiers literally comparing Shinji to the Antichrist, the Instrumentality Project obviously being a kind of spiritual event, etc...
The point isn't just that that stuff is in there, it obviously has as much meaning in terms of things that happen to the characters in terms of character development as actual interactions between the characters as such. It obviously has profound meaning that the characters are working on something like the Human Instrumentality Project and that they think they ought to be. It means at least as much as the way they interact with each other as people and there are obvious connections between those levels. Again, it's just weird to me that people even have this need to downplay that whole aspect of it.
>>139269694
When you force too much focus on those things you're changing the narrative more than if you ignore them. There could had been a spiritual component in the early stages, but it doesn't add anything to the plot.
For example, if we are to see angels as literal angels then the conversation with Kaoru doesn't make sense. And Shinji couldn't be a fallen angel since he's just a human. If the instrumentality project meant communion with god then what is Adam. Because Adam isn't the first angel, it's the first human. But we aren't sons of Adam.
Then you have the issue of caring about the names they give to stuff. Longinus was a dude, he didn't have an anti-air giant weapon. It's a name given to keep a certain color around the story, but if you try to make connections you need to ignore the more important aspects just to keep that silly stuff around.
>>139270740
Longinus did have a spear though, and he poked a pretty important guy with it.
>>139270965
a guy that plays no role in evangelion with a spear that is completely unrelated in anyway with the one in the show.
it all works out better if you take it as codewords from seele.
>>139269694
OK, I don't see how what I claimed would imply some kind of one by one literal interpretation. I was clearly talking about spiritual themes in these religions as systems of thought, not literalist interpretations of concrete myths. That doesnt make it more vague somehow either, these are well established cultural ideas. And clearly nothing is added to the plot in this way, as I argued, you'd rather be ignoring significant parts of the plot by ignoring that important plot events are essentially spiritual events, the most glaring one being the instrumentality project and it's aftermath.
>>139259928
Fucking idiots. Everyone knows Christ was buried at Westminster Cathedral.
why is 3.33 such frustating movie ?
>>139259285
Much better way to create powerlevels than DB desu
>>139259461
>anno
>anon
I see ...
>>139261359
Question:
Where are the second DSCs?
>>139262865
I agree. The allahu ackbar angel is the only exception
>>139262964
Angels are pretty fucking knowledgeable of human emotions and their psychological issues because they pretty much just use telepathy to mind-read them. Regardless they're still extremely lonely. This is why the train scenes with Rei and Leliel are so similar - they're both actually reading Shinji's mind and subconscious while he's knocked out/asleep.
But in the case of Arael he went a little too far to the point of Mind-raping Asuka. Armasiel was aggressive too, in a more sexual manner (litterally raped Rei and her eva unit and tried to impregnate it to rebirth his kind)
>>139258884
this
I never watched this show, where would I start? Im not really into mecha shows, but is it worth the chance?
>>139275644
It's not really a mecha show, imo.
Start with TVA 1-24, EOE, then 25-26
>>139258562
>The angels only fucked up Japan
It's like you never watched the show.
>>139264534
Not that nigga, but the attack on titan ending was destined for the rebuilds, not NGE. Get your facts straight, anon
>>139263319
>Anno recently said one of his proposed endings was for it to be exactly like "Attack on Titan".
Fucking sauce me up on this one you delusional manchild
>>139260022
>The biggest orgy that went down in history. So big that some people never decided to return and just remain in an orgasmic state for all eternity.
>>139258202
>it's annudah shoah !!
Will we ever know how many people came back after instrumentality, or was it literally just Shinji and Asuka?
>>139281123
As far as EoE was concerned, only Asuka and Shinji wanted to take the risk of existing in a reality where both pain and happiness occurs through human interaction, as opposed to living in Tang world where literally nothing happens because no one exists anymore.
>>139281620
Undeniable proof that Asuka and Shnji are the best human beings, and Asuka is best girl, because they were willing to experience pain, something no-one else was willing to do.
>>139258202
Okay there is so much wrong with this bullshit.
1: 2nd impact had already happened and it wiped out half the human population so there is no way there were 7 billion people on earth he could kill that weren't already dead
2: 3rd impact was out of his control
3: He rejected human instrumentality meaning humans can live as individual beings once again
4: All those dead people can come back to life if they so wish
>>139281678
It makes me feel happy knowing they probably ended up making love
>>139275644
I only just watched this series for the first time about a month ago.
It's more about psychological stuff even though it's got mechs in it.
just watch the original 90's show all the way through then watch End of Evangelion, you can interpret where EoE lies within the show yourself, there's not really a definitive answer, nothing in Evangelion has a definitive answer.
I haven't seen the rebuilds but really it just looks like popcorn material, don't rely on it too much, shoving 26 episodes and a movie worth of story into 3 movies will result in missing out on a lot, watch those after you're done with the original show.
>>139258202
They deserved it.
>>139280149
see >>139265973
you delusional manchild.
>>139267618
Should be an A+, it was supposed to make u mad ;^)
>>139267516
>Oh, I though that was you too. I'm a bit confused with thus combo.
It's not, I sort of interjected.
>>139260038
nahh Chrisitianity has it's share of murder but erased from history because being winners till modern times.
Spot on they etrapolate more on Judaism concepts which were abandoned from the Catholic faith, think of Anno as creating his own lore for a cult really.
>>139261649
why is sachiel such a qt?
>>139282811
I. said. sauce. me. up.
Not just quote, give me the ACTUAL sauce where he says this faggot, and WHERE.
>>139258257
Second Impact and the wars, disease, famines and climate change that followed killed half the human population.
>>139281747
>2: 3rd impact was out of his control
No it wasn't. He was inside Unit 01 when 3rd Impact happened, he was directly in control of what happened and Futusyuki says as much.
He could have become a god-like being like SEELE planned, been with Yui forever like Gendo planned, or simply joined the new collective mankind like Yui/Rei/Karou wanted for him. Instead he chose to live as his own person and gave others the option to do the same.
>>139261359
>7 beings known as Seeds of Life.
I think that's where these assholes came from. Adam or one of the other 5 seeds created a world of Angels on a distant planet and they flew here on Wunder.
>>139281123
We'll never know. But it's doubtful to be many people. It was quite a while (years?) before Asuka popped out
>>139273787
It was destroyed in the crash of Lilith's moon along with her lance. SEELE recovered both Adam's Lance and Scrolls.
>>139285393
I have no idea what's going on in Rebuild so maybe
>>139284656
>select text
>copy
>put into google
http://otakumode.com/news/5458c7dadb7b183963e68abf/Evangelion-20th-Anniversary-Bombshell-a-Mysterious-Work-Just-Like-Attack-on-Titan-and%E2%80%A6-Hideaki-Anno-Talk-Show-%E2%80%9CDirector-Edition%E2%80%9D-Report
wow, enjoy being spoonfed like the literal retard adult baby you are
>>139282159
Eat shit you shipper fanwanking fuck. Kill yourself. The crackshipping spam was enough of an eyesore last thread. All involved need to kill themselves.
