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>>138993638
more like type-moontable
>>138993638
The studio that did God Eater right? They're shit.
>>138993638
Hugely overrated.
>>138993849
Kara no Kyoukai, Fate/Zero, Fate/stay night, God Eater
>>138993638
They did Kara no Kyoukai and Fate/Zero. I don't give a fuck about the rest.
Can you really call them a studio?
All they've really done is mediocre Type-Moon shit, and God Eater.
awful drawing and character designs. Over use of CG effects to hide the bad drawings.
>>138995098
>Can you really call them a studio?
they make anime, so yes?
>>138995289
Smart ass
2shiny5me
>>138995324
Your fault for asking such a thing
I really like them.
>>138995324
You can literally look up all the shows they've done
>>138993752
>>138994387
>>138995098
>>138995123
>Over use of CG effects to hide the bad drawings.
Precisely.
Some people seem to get turned off at the vey use of CG, but CG is just a tool, and Ufotable utilizes it hand in hand with their hand drawn stuff.
It's not "covering up" if they intertwine the two together. It's not like it's an afterthought.
too much filters and cgi, but it looks cool
Everyone always forgets that this was ufotable too.
>>138995633
The use of it can result in some pretty cool stuff.
>>138995765
Now compare this to the exact same scene done by Studio DEEN.
Part of it's certainly directing, but the visual effects definitely do add a flair.
>>138995633
I like the way you think but it still looks cheap compared to hand-drawn animation.
However, I will prefer something like Ufotable's CG over something seriously lacking in frames.
mostly well-intentioned studio that struck gold with KnK
+ Tries to stay as close as possible to the source material
+ Mostly good directing
+ Usually good results
- Obsession with source fidelity usually leads to boring infodumps instead of teaching the viewer through actions, specially obnoxious during fight scenes.
- Overuse of orange-blue contrast
- Overuse of shaky camera
- Overuse of CGI effects
My only complaint about ufotable's Fate Zero I had is that Berserker looked awful at times and I wished they redrawn the frames instead, but overall it was pretty.
I'll be watching UBW soon.
>>138995927
Before starting UBW, I highly suggest you watch the 2006 series by DEEN. UBW is the second story in FSN, and jumping into it is a little like starting a series on season two of a show.
>>138995992
I already read the VN, part of me wants to watch Deen's adaptation just to see how bad it is.
>>138996031
the DEEN movie is god-awful, but the series isn't quite as terrible as everyone makes it out to be
>>138995569
They're not trying to hide anything, the CGI is planned like that from the get go, the drawings already knowing what's happening with CGI. It's not like they look at it after and go "oh shit this looks bad, quick throw some filters and sparks over it and no one will notice."
CGI after effects is Ufotables style, it's what they're best at.
Looks like Ufo is doing Tales of Zestiria which is slated for Summer. Why the fuck don't they animated God Eater like they usually do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIp4sMmbBmA
>>138996240
This is true. The DEEN anime is bland and suffers from pacing problems, but it's still not the Tsukihime anime.
>>138996240
This anon has it right. The UBW movie is irredeemable garbage, if you're going to make a movie of nothing but fight scenes then at least make the fight scenes good. The only passable fight scene is Berserker vs Saber at the start, the rest are an eyesore.
The TV Series though is actually pretty good. Really comfy show to watch, Archer vs Berserker is the best fight TV+Movie combined and the ending is still perfect.
>>138996031
Having watched all of DEEN's and Ufotable's stuff, what I find interesting is seeing the different ways they handled scenes.
>>138996775
>>138996805
With these two in particular, what I noticed is that the direction flips what happens.
In the DEEN version, Kuzuki knocks Shirou back, but in the Ufotable, Shirou does. They both have the same bloodied hands, too.
>>138996725
https://youtu.be/BlnLCpr-i_s
>>138996725
DEEN show wasn't terrible and the music was godlike, but I still hope Ufo will make an adaptation of that rewritten Fate route Nasu mentioned.
>>138998833
One can only dream anon.
>>138995003
None of those are any good, fellow human.
>>138998833
How do you improve it?
>>138995805
That would look awesome if you covered enough of it with particle effects.
>>139001225
Biggest priority is fixing the do-nothing first half.
>>138993638
They'd be good if they made a dozen Yoyo to Nene instead of a dozen Type-Moon adaptations.
>>139002982
The camera flying around him at the end just looks really fucking ridicolous.
>>139003070
even Ufo's better stuff isn't immune to that either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtmdnB95Uxc
>0:35
>>139003521
This looks terrible.
>>139003547
in what way?
>>138995123
Exactly like KyoAni
Yeah they're pretty decent. Their CG doesn't even look bad.
>>139003564
you can't see shit.
>>138993638
Fate is literally the best Anime franchise so of course Ufotable is the GOAT
Dont blame Ufotable for making CrapEater since its a adaptation from a shit monster hunter rip off with shit story and shit characters.
>>138995765
>>139003521
I find it hilarious that some people use this to complain about Ufotable's CGI when most of the effects in that scene are in fact hand-drawn.
>>138995569
>>138995123
Their drawings are no less detailed or worse than normal.
>>138993638
They're complete shit.
Manabi Straight was OK
>>139004183
Most of their effects are hand-drawn. People don't seem to understand that the heavy use of CGI is pretty much relegated to the background and the sky (but seriously, Ufo skies are pure porn) for the most part.
>>138993638
They're absolutely based, but they should try something else than Fate sometimes
>>139005059
I'm just making these webms cause I'm bored. Hope I'm not annoying anyone.
>>139005099
I like them. Seeing DEEN get absolutely destroyed animation-wise is fun.
>>139005182
>>139005099
I like the DEEN character designs much better
>>139004029
>that midair weapon switch
Every time. I fucking loved UBW.
>>139005257
I think Ufotable's main problem is noses and side-views. They really should go back to the style of the older knk movies where noses were clearly defined and a sideview of a face didnt look like a rhino. It's not like they're incapable of drawing better, some shots of Lancer in UBW prove that they're perfectly capable of good sideviews and clearly defined noses.
>>139005422
Take it up with Takeuchi, they're just following his design.
>>139005422
They should've stuck with the style they used in the RN Vita OPs.
>>138993638
bad swordplay and flashy lights make anime worse
I like the bright colorful flashiness and use of Yuki Kajiura/Kalafina. That's purely my reaction on a sensory level, not saying it's objectively good, but it looks and sounds good to me.
Serious answer? They are good to great. But I have complaints.
>The effects.
Even hand-drawn, I feel they are too much sometimes. The only time I thought the effects really brought out shit and didn't cover anything was Gae Bolg vs Rho Aias in EP17. That scene was godlike.
>Fight choreography.
They actually are just "ok" with this. Nothing special. Which is kind of surprising.
>Show choices.
I do hope they will try other shows. But I get it if they don't. This year looks already full for them.
Most of the complaint seen here is that they just don't like the series that Ufotable is animating.
With that said. At least they budget better than Wit.
>>139006205
>>Show choices
>choices
They work on whatever Aniplex tells them to work on. They don't get much choice in what work they're given.
>>139006573
Oh, and this would be the DEEN version of this. >>138995633
>>138993638
What does /a/ think of studio ufotable?
I dunno...
>>139005650
F/Z-RN OPs were perfect.
>>139005099
There was that one time you spammed the thread with them.
>>139000602
terrible taste familia
>>139008226
I actually just started making these the other day.
Who is the most promising emerging director in Ufotable?
I like fate/zero, everyone else is ehhhhh
>>138995123
There's a lot of nice special effects but character animation was never outstanding for me. The overall art direction in UBW is pretty shoddy, too, with tons of ugly looking close ups on characters and strange lighting. Really weird shots/framing didn't help either.
>>139008359
this is the ufo one right?
>>139008317
Nevermind, wrong guy. Keep on doing what you do.
>>139008359
can't wait to see rider throw assassin down the stairs in 3 years
>>139008462
Yeah. The one above it is from the DEEN UBW movie. This is the 2006 version.
>>139008549
god damn I forgot how great their action scenes were
>>139008601
Ep.14, 23 and 24
Been collecting/downloading ufotable works lately.
Anyone know if there's an upload of this and Yawarakame anywhere?
I have given up on Sakura no Ondo considering it's a ufotable cinema exclusive
If you guys want any webms, I've got all of DEEN's and Ufotable's Fate catalog on my hard drive, and I'm totally willing to make stuff.
>>139008727
Saber vs Assassin from the original anime
>>139008910
The first fight, or the fight in the weird Caster cave?
>>139003070
>>139002982
>the camera flipping around Rho Aias
Holy shit my sides. Even Michael Bay doesn't do shit like that.
>>139008953
The fight in the weird caster cave
Kara no Kyoukai 1-5 is their best work and best artstyle. After that they change to modern rhino sidemouth style
>>139009149
KnK 5 is noticeably weaker visually than the other movies though, even if it's the best one. Shiki looked off-model more than she should have in on a feature film budget.
>>138993638
Pretty good. Peaked at KnK, did okay with Fate/Zero but they've been tripping all over themselves afterwards. I feel like they should stop going for bombastic works like F/SN and God Eater since their general style tends to look better when things are more down to earth, e.g. the KnK films (even if those are on a film budget).
They're ok. But I hate it when people say their animation is good when all they do is fill the screen with shinny special effects, there's barely any real drawn character animation.
>>139009411
You're probably thinking of Tetsuya Takeuchi's scenes in the movie. He did the opening chase and brawl involving Enjou, Ryougi and the thugs and later the zombie fight in the apartment.
Takeuchi has a good sense of movement, his character animation tends to feel weighty. He was obviously given some freedom in drawing style for the movie.
>>139009925
This. I didn't mind the "off-model" sequences since that actually served to showcase a more erratic style of animation that was really fun to watch.
>>139009924
They had really good stuff in KnK (especially if you look at the storyboards) but I'll admit that they've been held back by turning into Type-Moon's go-to anime studio.
>>139009924
Animation is more than just putting pencils to paper.
CG is animation, and it can't be discredited as some sort of non-work. Those people work just as hard as your next animator.
It always bothers me when I see people act like CG is inherently bad, or a lazy out. It's just a tool. You can make a show look good or bad depending on how you use it.
>>138993638
Awful noses post F/Z, otherwise pretty good.
>>139009766
>KnK
>down to earth
Wat
>>138995745
ufoTable has been doing more work for Bandai Namco games than Type Moon lately
>>139004854
They are. Pay fucking attention
>>139010168
Compared to something like F/SN and God Eater? Yeah.
>>139010137
I know what animation stands and you know what we all mean when we refer to animation when it comes to anime. Yes even cheaply made CG moving on screen can count as animation, but we don't want that.
>>139009924
Majokko and Minori Scramble has good character animation. You just don't see that sort of thing from the studio often because most of their TV anime work is action-focused.
>>139006309
Them and Bamco so basically like most third party studios
>>139010282
speak for yourself I happen to like cg
good visuals but when it comes to a lot of movements the animation is meh.
besides they are way too attached to the Fate series. best anime is never adapted.
>>139010282
Well I'm not entirely sure what "we" want,
I personally want my shows to look half-decent, and I think that Ufotable, overall, does a pretty damn good job, even if they don't always use tools that /a/ approves of.
If the CG is used to make a show look better, how is that cheap, or something that "we" shouldn't approve of?
Even though Fate and KnK are by far their most popular works, ufotable will always be known by me for the miscellaneous stuff they did before those days. Namely Dokkoida!?, Ninja Nonsense, and Coyote Ragtime Show.
>>139002982
>>139003023
movie vs anime budget
>>138993638
Is tsukihime gonna get an adaptation by UFO?
Is the VN structure ok for an anime?
Maybe they can do one to coincide with the remake VN.
>>139010961
Top is movie, bottom is TV.
>>139010961
>>139011070
Wow, Deen movie looks exactly like the show. You'd think they'd use their movie budget to shade the thing better.
>>139011202
>Deen movie looks exactly like the show.
You're being pretty generous to DEEN here.
Ufotable haters are just mad that their awful LNs wont get the animation care and effort that TM series do
>>139011362
I mean it looks like 2006 fate route.
>>139011499
Looks way better than the anime anon.
>>139005099
Can we just talk about how well done this scene is? Gil hesitating that half-second to use Ea because it's beneath it to be used on a peasant like Shirou is just fucking masterful.
God damn I love FATE.
>>139011473
As much as I like ufotable, I feel they dropped the ball a bit from a directing standpoint on most of the UBW adaptation (though there were certain points where they did a fantastic job like with the shot >>139011566 is mentioning). The soundtrack could've been used better a lot of the time too.
>>139011638
I disagree with a fair bit of that. The soundtrack in particular I dug because each scene had original music. That's something most anime don't do.
>>139011735
I love the soundtrack, it's how it was used that I took issue with. Whenever there's not action going on, tracks are either re-used a lot in a way that's immediately noticeable / not very subtle or they're drowned out to the point that you barely even notice it's there.
>>139009012
Sorry for taking so long. I had to step away just after you asked. Fucking figures, right?
>>139011891
The music was actually very rarely reused. That was one of the major hubbubs about it on a technical level.
>The contributions of Mr. Hideyuki Fukasawa, who did the music, were large, even in terms of calories. For the first time in TV Anime history (I believe), he made 400 compositions for the entire score of the film while referencing the drawings. And he was even present for the dubbing. I requested music at the end of the provisional cuts (shooting the drawings, and setting the timings in order). The voice actors' voices are also added at this stage. But drawings keep being added afterwards, and the cutting process is repeated in accordance with those additions, until I finally have them do the FX. The music is written and recorded live in between that provisional cutting and the actual cutting, so when we alter a place where music was added, the music has to be adjusted once more. Fukasawa does that adjusting, and also handles orders for the the final adjustments during dubbing. That is how much he has done for us. I am grateful.
Though one thing I noticed, is that between the broadcast and BD release, they increased the volume levels of the music for the home release.
>>139012031
Fair enough, I remembered particular tracks in the prologue and some other parts being repeated a lot, but maybe my memory is exaggerating it. Good to hear they increased the volume on the BDs though, because that was my main issue.
>>139012122
Yuki Kajiura contributed a few pieces of music that used stuff from her Fate/Zero soundtrack, and those pieces were reused several times, but for the most part, I don't remember a whole lot of pasted in music.
>>139012031
>400 compositions for the entire score
Doesn't the OST only have around 45-50? Or does the OST only include a fraction of the actual music used in the show?
>>139011922
You know what? I kinda like how the movie did this. The music just cuts out, and there's this tiny quiet moment that just sort of works.
>>139011070
Im not that dumb anonI have DEEN's bd on my shelf
>>139012400
There's tons of music not on the CDs, unfortunately. Most of the "essential" tracks are there, but there are entire episodes that didn't even have any of their music featured on the albums.
>>138995569
>bad drawings
the few times i saw their QUALITY in a few frames they aren't using CG (UBW Shirou vs Archer/Gilgamesh).
Saber's Excalibur scenes were god-tier.
Archer vs Lancer round 2 was god-tier.
Both will work even without CGI
Where's your excuse???
>>139012586
Careful anon, they'll start posting inbetween frames as proof.
>>139003650
Get better eyes, then.
>>139012415
And just to cap it off.
>>139005422
>I think Ufotable's main problem is noses and side-views
lol
following Takeshit design
>>139004854
Tales of Zestiria anime on summer.
>>139002982
>I am the bone of my sard
I can only remember the german dub watching this
I just finished Manabi Straight, pretty interesting work.
Should've been a slice of life though. There was way too much dumb drama. I'm not sure if that's the source's fault but it went from great to painful.
>>139012971
The show had some pretty challenging layouts for a TV production, especially episode 2.
>>138993638
They must be pretty good for the "God Eater is all CG" meme to last as long as it did.
>>139002982
What the fuck is the camera doing?
>>139014251
Except God Eater looks absolutely horrendous compared to the other works. The shitty plot and shitty characters (as much as I could judge in episode 1 because it was too awful for me to look at a single more episode) didn't help either.
>>139008328
the guy from KnK5 or just Miura+His sidekick
>>139015986
>emerging
>>139012779
https://a.pomf.cat/yhryjf.webm
Loved the first time he used it, the way that one strike became 3 and the sound effects used.
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 20 Sword Throw.webm](https://i.imgur.com/fLKiS3M.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 20 Sword Throw")
Probably the coolest scene from the whole show
>>139016500
Still vastly inferior to the movie version. Even the new EMIYA was meh to be in the same note as the scene.
>>139016588
The movie version of the Archer fight has so many problems that I could go on for days about it.
Anyone have any decent webms of KNK? All I see here are UBW ones.
>>139016500
>Hand drawn main character barely even move
Nah,
Pic related,
fight scene in anime series should look like.
>>139017584
That wasn't really a fight scene, it was a character overcoming his inner demons and doubts.
What makes it great is more from a narrative perspective, but the way the scene was all framed was pretty awesome too.
>>139017584
>Shirou vs Archer
>Fight scene
Someone missed the entire point. Just because swords were moving, that doesn't mean their conflict was a martial one.
>>139017691
>>139017827
See
>>138995765
What's the difference? It always barely even move anyway
>>138996533
There is no tsukihime anime, silly
>>139017999
I'm seeing plenty of movement in that webm, though.
Or do you think CG doesn't count for some reason?
>>139015109
>trying to speak with authority on something after only watching one episode
>>139012971
The drama was just something to make it feel like the slice of life was being kept on track.
It's interesting to me because it's pre-Lucky Star and has Aya Hirano in it. It's famous primarily for having mediocre success but I wonder if it didn't play a part in setting some trends. There is a possibility it might be the most underrated anime of all.
>>139017999
I can remember plenty of instances of both of them darting around the room, or charging up hills, or jumping, etc. over the course of 20 and 21. I won't rewatch the fight and type out the cinematography of it for you, but they moved plenty. Moved plenty in both Archer/Lancer fights. Moved constantly in Shirou/Gilgamesh. Moved constantly during the Kuzuki/Saber/Shirou fight. Moved plenty in the church. Moved plenty in both Saber/Assassin fights. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
>>139017584
>that middle finger
lol
>>139018285
Could anybody get past one episode of that shit?
No, seriously. Did it ever get any better? I dropped it after the first episode too.
>>138996463
And yet for all the talent you credit them with they still can't draw a fucking nose to save the universe.
>>139017999
If you're thinking of Shirou not moving around much during the first half of the fight, there was a good reason for that. And the same reason Archer WAS moving around.
Shirou was too damn slow to make any big dramatic slashes or parries. He was struggling just to get his swords in front of Archer's. That's why he was getting knocked around. If you notice, as he drains more from Archer he moves more aggressively later in the fight.
>>139018518
That's just UBW's art style. Look at their designs for God Eater and Zestiria.
It's not off model, it's just some people don't like the model.
>>139018518
Yes, it was a problem in UBW. But you say that like it's been the case for every single thing ufotable's ever animated. I can't think of bad noses in anything else.
>>139003521
Why are they spinning so much? You should never be back to back with anyone.
Of the things they've produced that I've watched, I enjoyed Yuri Seijin Naoko-san, Minori Scramble, Yoyo to Nene, Manabi Straightand type-moonshit
>>139018620
Archer is exactly the type of character who's chuuni enough to spin around in a sword fight against a legit samurai.
>>139018464
It gets better.
Slow burn but it starts peaking in ep 4-6 then 10 to current episode.
Hirao and Kei are writing the script for the anime and Hirao storyboards all episodes so all what happens are according to what they planned from the beginning down to Lenka's VA as they went through 100 auditions to find him. It's also a Lenka show as heavily implied by the OP so if you don't like him then there's no saving the show for you. (And my guess is Hirao is a GE fan considering he also directed the game OPs)
Pic related is basically representation of Lenka's development.
The artstyle is chosen by Bandai as well as the shitty schedule so complaints go there.
>>139004029
I never understood how a person can dodge in the air
>>139018620
Well if you mean Archer's swords, I had an incredibly stupid fan idea.
Archer can control where his swords are after projecting them, as shown multiple times. And centrifugal force is a thing. What if he's magicking the swords to stay in his palms, while spinning them to add force to his blows to make up for his lack of raw power?
Fuck you, it makes sense in my head.
Ufotable is an alright guy.
Emiya could've used some work. As well as Berserkers roar but its okay.
>>139008359
What the fuck was that first move Archer? He just jumped into the air for some reason. Anyone can see you coming down on them as that's vulnerable as fuck.
>>139004029
slow motion just doesn't work well in anime
>>139018865
Shirou was just trying to mimic all those cool SEIGI NO MIKATAs he saw on TV.
>>139005929
>>139005964
Why did he need to be that far away? That struck me as excessive.
I don't dislike DEEN's look, at least here. It's not bad.
>>139019001
If you could range attack someone from miles away, wouldn't you?
I mean, assuming you could damage them.
>>139019001
Why in the hell would you not attack something like Berserker from as far away as possible?
>>138995450
This I don't understand.
In FZ Kotomine lost his heart.
In HF Assassin could not kill him specifically because he had no heart.
In UBW Kotomine dies because Lancer stabbed him in the heart.
This shit is inconsistent.
>>139019107
He just gets incapacitated from Lancer. Kirei dies because he burns alive inside the castle.
>>139019005
Is that an Angel at the end?
>>139005929
I remember the moment I realized the DEEN movie was going to be a total disappointment was when I saw they mixed up Caladbolg for Hrunting. It was a tiny detail, but it was such a simple mistake to NOT make if they were paying attention that I realized there was no hope they'd keep the bigger stuff straight.
Cue Unlimited Swords Just Standing There Works.
>>139019107
Kirei has an artificial black heart made by the mud that keeps him alive. It's not his real heart so it's not recognized by Zambaniya, but he still needs it. It's why Sakura can stop him in his tracks, since she can crush it at will.
>>139019034
>>139019073
I would not, if I had to initially run there from the actual, ongoing battle, and not if my master was going to be but a stone's throw from ground zero herself. There was no reason for him to run 2.5 miles from the battle. He should have stood directly in front of Rin, 50 yards away, and fired it from there.
>>139019246
Servants are fast, dude. Archer's agility is C. That's the ability to run 30 times faster than a normal human.
Picture yourself running two and a half miles, and long it would take, now picture yourself able to run 30 times quicker.
>>139019310
How does Archer get so fast, does he do squats every day
>>139019332
He practices swording really hard.
I like that they're friends with Type Moon but God Eater is very underwhelming and all the other stuff they promised (Heavens Feel, Tsukihime) are still no where to be seen yet
>>139019380
There's a 99% chance we're getting a trailer drop for HF at AnimeJapan. Tales of Zestiria is coming this summer, too.
>>139019310
Okay... but you seem to be intentionally avoiding the crux of my argument.
Why didn't he take Rin with him, then?
>>139019460
Rin told him to cover her, not to help her get out of there. She participates in the fight a bit as well. More so in the Ufo anime, where she has a side fight with Ilya.
Ow.
>>139018518
Blame the character designer, they're just drawing them as they're told.
>>139018741
Play more smash
>>139019490
Annoys me that we didn't get to see the full extent of her abilities
>>139019743
Everything related to Illya in ufo just looked amazing for some reason. I wish they would have done the story like zero, where they followed all parties from the beginning, instead of relegating her to basically one flashback episode mid series.
>>139019107
He has an artificial heart. Zabaniya was trying to mimic his real heart, which didn't exist. He still needs his artificial heart to survive, Sakura could've killed Kirei at any time by crushing his artificial heart.
>>139019872
But if Illya actually tried in Master vs Master fights, she'd win too easily.
Kuzuki with initiative is probably the only one that could kill her.
>>139019743
I like how the hand holds onto the blade and then lets go after impacting.
Alright, quick off-topic technical question: Webms aren't working for me anymore on 4chan, anyone know why? On chrome with 4chan plus on.
>>139020105
Might be 4chan Plus. I'm using 4chanX and it's working just fine for me.
>>139019107
He lost his heart and got it replaced with a fake not-his-own heart basically made of mud and magic. Something Assassin couldn't target in HF.
And in UBW, he still got a lance stabbed through his chest. He got stabbed with a giant fucking lance. Even if it didn't hit a vital organ, that shit will still kill you. And if that wasn't enough, Lancer might've made thorns spike inside his body. Or if Kotomine did survive the stab, he was KO'd and burned to death in the fire.
Kotomine's heart only seems inconsistent if you're not paying attention.
>>139020183
Majority of inconsistencies are just knobs not paying attention.
>>138993638
Type Moon's bitch.
It's funny how even when they're literally doing more stuff for Bamco lately people still call them Type/Moon's bitch. Lets see in the last year we've had:
Type Moon:
Fate/UBW
Fate/GO Trailer
Heaven's Feel (Someday?)
God Eater Burst Cutscenes
God Eater TV Anime
Tales of Zestiria Prologue
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Hope I'm not killing the thread by posting too many of these. At this point I think I've made webms out of 70% of episode 24.
Fuck it, one more, mostly cause I want to point out how in an interview for the second season of UBW, one of the guys mentioned that Shirou's moves during this scene were him mimicking what Berserker did in this fight here. >>139020676
It's one of those "boetry" moments, or whatever.
>>139020865
A lot of those are literally /v/ though which would be weird to bring up on /a/ in the first place. What people mean by the Type Moon saturation is how most of their notable anime adaptations are based on Type Moon works.
I mean they've had KnK, F/Z, UBW, Mirai Fukuin, and Heaven's Feel is already on the way. Compare to that to Bamco, in which I can only recall God Eater.
>>139021191
There's also the fact that God Eater was a bit of a fiasco. Didn't it only finish airing a week or so ago?
>>139021104
>It's one of those "boetry" moments, or whatever.
The artstaff was so starved for meaningful and coherent significance in the plot they started putting their own spin on it.
>>139021104
The feet in UBW looked like crap. I noticed it several times.
>>139021292
I'm sure you're a fine connoisseur of feet.
>>139021264
It relates back to Shirou's power. He copies what he sees and uses.
>>138993638
Ufotable is good but UBShit being the worst route, can't really be helped.
>>139022317
Best route, actually.
>>139022342
no, worst of the worst
>>139022317
UBW is my favorite route.
Heavens feel is great but I love heroic idealism.
>>139022415
>>139022432
Yes, it's for literal children and a step down from the rest.
>>139022462
It's about a man growing to understand the weight of self-sacrifice, and if whether or not he can choose to carry it.
He chooses to, but not only that, he chooses to go farther than those before him.
>>139022528
>It's about a man
Shounen not realizing he's still shounen is pretty amusing.
>>139022615
He becomes a man.
>>138993638
The horrible side mouth is a real turn off, but I can just focus on something else and it'll be okay. Also, I can't wait until Heaven's Feel. Gotta get me some of that Rider route.
>>139022528
pretentious bullshit
>>139022342
I want to protect that smile
>>139022770
You can word it however you want.
Shirou has a dream of wanting to be a hero. He's then presented with a scenario (the grail war) where he can finally grasp at it, but along the way faces a bunch of obstacles. Namely Archer, who constantly derides his ideal, and beyond just wanting to dissuade him from following it, he actively endangers Shirou and puts him in harms way.
It all culminates in finding out that it's himself from the future, and he has regrets about his past actions, and wants to not only kill Shirou before he can commit them, but make him suffer and admit he was wrong for ever holding his beliefs.
A big fight ensues, and through some time bullshit, Shirou sees what Archer went through. Archer thinks this will make Shirou back off, but he holds firmer, because beyond all the suffering, he also sees that he helped many people.
This is not only what made his resolve harden in his belief, but what made Archer look back and realize that maybe his life wasn't as bad as he thought.
>>139023007
Manchilds are boring
>>139023099
I agree, they should sacrifice everything for pussy like a real man.
>>139021343
God I am so tired of this gif. Their motions aren't even nearly similar.
>>139023099
Isn't Kerry the biggest manchild going around? Dude is insufferable
>>139023386
First, I think you might be a little blind.
Second, that scene literally talks about how Shirou's copying Archer. Saber gets pissy over it, since she's supposed to be training him.
>>139023222
HF has the answers. Sakura is just the cherry on top.
>>139023424
Kerry was a very stupid man.
>>139023498
HF is just an answer, and it's an answer given to a Shirou who goes through a very different set of experiences in a very formative part of his development as a character.
Why was UBW so boring to watch?
>>139019001
To surprise Berserker while he was occupied with Saber iirc
>>139024580
Because is not Fate or HF or F/Zero
>>139022317
Having an animation budget the size of a small country's GDP doesn't make an inane plot any more meaningful. Fate/Zero is still the best of the Fate anime, and by a very large margin.
>>139024580
Because VN pacing as an anime, just doesn't work.
>>139024580
Rin is a shitty main heroine
>>139024673
Fate/Zero mostly just retread ideas from FSN. It doesn't really add anything new to the table.
As a stand-alone experience, it works more, I'd argue, but UBW was never meant to be stand-alone. It's the second route of the VN, if you haven't experienced the first, either through reading the source material, or watching the anime that's been around for 10 years, then you're doing things wrong.
UBW as a whole though has stronger themes and ideas backing it.
>>139022663
>picture for ants
>>139024759
Actually, Rin is perfection.
>>139024827
that's Sakura
Boy there sure is a lot of Type Moon threads up.
>>139024845
No, actually. Rin is canonically perfect. It can't be helped.
I mean she's not even just perfect, she's talented at being perfect.
Some people, they have to actually strive to reach that pinnacle, but she just does it naturally. It's a little absurd.
>>139024884
Okay Tokiomi.
>>139024884
>rinfags being autistic
color me surprised
>>139024909
That's FSN's defense force for you. I miss the days when it was all fun and games.
>>139000602
You have shit taste, fellow human
>>139024797
Fate/Zero was mediocre overall, I can see why people would be impressed if it was their introduction but otherwise it's "meh".
The focus was never supposed to be on the war itself but rather the characters and Fate/Zero's cast is bland as fuck. Hell even Saber isn't good as Urobuchi didn't understand her character at all leading to massive OOC moments throughout the whole show.
>>139025197
The only interesting part of Zero is Waver and Alexander. Also looking at pre-corrupted Kirei made me giggle.
>>139025197
I like Zero well enough, but I think it just gives a wrong impression of what Fate and Type Moon is to people getting into it.
I mean one of the things about FSN, is that the story slowly reveals that the whole Grail War system is a big sham. First route plays things semi-straight until near the end, the second route diverts the grail war plot for a more personal drama with the main character, and the last route just goes off the wall and gives a big fuck you to both the masters and the servants.
I've seen casual fans just getting in through Zero talk about it more like it's some anime version of Game of Thrones, where you've got alliances and groups that you want to see win.
>>139025197
Fate/Zero was actually exceptionally good by action anime standards.
>>139025294
How so? Most of the action scenes are slow as fuck, with talking breaking them up after every two swings. There are a few standouts I'll admit but a majority of them really aren't all that amazing.
>>139025287
Definitely does give the wrong impression. The focus is completely different. I still don't understand why people are trying to hype up Heaven's Feel with Zerofans. Chances are they'll like it even less than UBW as it's the furthest removed from the whole "battle royale" concept.
>>139025294
It was thanks to Ei Aoki and ufotable.
>>139025831
Speaking of which, why did Aoki leave ufotable?
I mean he was a photography graduate and ufotable has close workings between animation and digital house and photography directors autistic about things.
>>139004854
Nasu: I told Aniplex's producer that I wanted the Fate/Zero novels turned into an anime. It was a good suggestion.
Many anime fans want there to be a lot of cute bishoujo characters in the work, and while they work hard to meet those needs, Iwakami, an important producer at Aniplex, wasn't satisfied just by doing that. I suggested that he tackle Fate/Zero, a dark and serious story full of raw emotion. He had the resolve, and that's how they ended up adapting Fate/Zero.
Takeuchi: Many anime studios wanted to make Fate/Zero into an anime, but as far as actually doing that, I couldn't feel very excited about the idea. It was a story that came into being out of the love and respect that Urobuchi-san had for Fate/stay night, and was designed to deepen the enjoyment a reader could get out of Fate. Adapting it into an anime might mean stepping on that love, and I didn't want to make something that didn't capture the feeling of the original novels.
Nasu: In addition to the original game, there's a fan disk and many other items. Maybe that's intimidating to a beginner. Setting that aside for a moment, I want people to see the anime version of Zero. Even without knowing the story of Fate/stay night, you'll get pulled into the story of Fate/Zero. While Zero is a part of the Fate universe, I think the anime version of Zero is good enough to stand on its own as a superlative work. Please check out Zero.
Takeuchi: Many anime studios wanted to make Fate/Zero into an anime, but as far as actually doing that, I couldn't feel very excited about the idea. It was a story that came into being out of the love and respect that Urobuchi-san had for Fate/stay night, and was designed to deepen the enjoyment a reader could get out of Fate. Adapting it into an anime might mean stepping on that love, and I didn't want to make something that didn't capture the feeling of the original novels.
>>139025386
Zerofans keep shitting on UBW so the VN reader tried to do some damage control by saying HF is better.
I think secondaries will be even madder since the HGW becomes more battle shounen than before.
>>139021219
1 more episode.
>>139025892
I don't think Aoki was really a Ufotable employee in the first place. He just had some connections to the studio.
>>139003999
How come Deen's Caladbolg was so much better than Ufotable? It had so much more ooomph to it.
For the people who care about the production behind UBW,
Text of booklet from 1st Half of UBW
http://pastebin.com/8zPfKaNd
Scans of booklet from 2nd Half of UBW
http://imgur.com/a/zzgtH
Miura: This was something I'd had on my mind the entire time. What I strove for in this episode was not to demean Gilgamesh in any way. The extra line you added, "At the very last minute, did I overcome your legend?" really changed the impression he left.
Nasu: In the visual novel, Gilgamesh was such a straightforward villain. He was cast as the enemy that users could easily hate. But without the premise of the Saber route, I felt that we should show how "Heroic" he could be, as he was in the Saber route. I wanted to show clearly that aspect of him - why he was a hero, despite being a cold-hearted enemy.
Miura: As I was depicting Gilgamesh, rather than see him as a bad guy, what drove me was the thought, "Because he's a king."
>>139027148
Thanks.
>>139025386
I don't know. Tonally I found myself liking HF the most. The fact that I discovered that F/Z had similar vibes coupled with the battle royale premise felt promising. Not sure how others would feel if it was the other way around though.
>>139026715
It helps that it's a faster-paced sequence and the effects are nice.
>>138993638
They have their moments and overall aren't bad, but they should put more effort into their works.
>kara no kyoukai
Theyre good. Exceptionally so.
>>139027148
Thanks anon, there's some interesting stuff there.
>>138993638
They'd be decent if they stopped adapting shit material
>>139004029
Those are some nice Hollywood effects, but where is Shirou's perspective here? The point of the scene in the VN was to show how he didn't want Archer sacrificing himself for his sake, kickstarting the main conflict between Shirou and EMIYA. The anime is just empty.
There was a small 15 years anniversary event in Akiba yesterday. Should I dump pics?
>>139030647
Fuck yeah, I'd love that, anon!
>>139027148
>Miura: Well, for that scene we did ramp up the firepower several times, compared to the storyboards. Since we needed to show the fact that "Lancer is incredible." What I reminded the key animators and directing team was that Lancer had the edge, and I wanted them to make it seem as though Archer was frantically trying to deal with him. Initially, it was like Archer and Lancer's skills were neck and neck. But that's not really the case. After all, he is Cú Chulainn
Cú Chulainn confirmed as best bro.
>>139031425
dammit /a/
>>139031290
>>139031393
>>139031425
>all those KnK
Gimme.
>>139031473
>>139031458
I think you can probably guess my favorite ufotable.
>>139031517
I'm actually surprised how much focus it had, but I guess because ufotable.
>>139001225
Start by completely scrapping and rewriting the first half of the route.
>>139031517
>>139031552
Maybe there is still hope for them to animate the final KnK novel.
>>138993638
Does Nasu like S&M imagery ? I think so.
>>139031611
How come they never put out a valentine/suit of Shirou, is he not popular?
>>139030194
But Fate/Zero was actually good...
>>139031630
fucking fedora
>>139031710
>>139031625
I want to see an animated Tsuki no Sango with Maaya Sakamoto narration.
>>139031682
I think it was only Zero versions. There was a Waver with a boquet and then two versions of Gil in a white suit.
What if ufotable is doing Prisma Illya, will you like the artstyle ?
>>139031867
>>139031799
I feel like silver link kind of ruined the art style. Good animation though.
>ufotable animated lewd kissing
my dick
>>139031787
Wait I'm retarded there's sakura and rin right there.
>>139031517
Glad to see a fellow fan, and thanks for all the pics anon.
>>139029717
There were scans of the FZ booklets a couple years ago but I don't think anyone saved them
>>139000602
>A-am I fitting in yet
You're either a retard or just have shit taste.
>>139031625
The Garden of Oblivion?
>>139031630
Why are some wearing masks?
>>139032570
Different anon but yeah I think that's the one.
>>139031041
>ncer is incredible." What I reminded the key animators and directing team was that Lancer had the edge, and I wanted them to
Was this regarding Ep 17?
>>138996805
Fuck fuck fuck I remember how greatly I enjoyed the first half of the 2014 anime. Why the fuck did it go so wrong in the 2nd season.
>>139031625
What's the story there?
>>139032736
Yes
>>139032821
Nasu: It was the beginning of the year. President Kondo told me flatly, "I want something special made for attendees, so why don't you write a book in the next 6 months or so, ok?" And that's about the tall and short of it. A worldview Like Fate would have been great to be continuously expanded upon, though like I mentioned a moment ago with Kara no Kyoukai, it felt like a beautiful box that had already been completed. Had I started just adding things here and there, as an independent piece it would just be a mess. Future Gospel was a discarded piece that was later dug up and just barely worked out, so to come up with yet another story as an added bonus felt utterly superfluous.
It's an extra for those who ventured out to see the movie, but even so it is a meaningful entry. Yet the second it were to start being sold off as a commercialized book, it would lose its meaning entirely. Once you read it you would immediately understand its place only as an addition to the movie. It's the same with why my name isn't on the front cover. It was also made with the idea that its story would be absolutely impossible to have a movie made out of it (laughs). As happy as I am that Kara no Kyoukai became a movie, despite having no such inkling while I was writing it, it belied just a bit of frustration as well. As a writer, I just have a feeling of not wanting my words to lose to film. This is why I wrote Garden of Oblivion in a way that couldn't possibly receive a movie adaptation, though it's more of a "If you think you can do it this time, give it your best shot!" sort of feeling (laughs).
>>139015986
Nigger Hirao was Kon's protégé. He ain't emerging. Ufotable just doesn't know how to handle his talent.
>>139032947
Thanks for this, but I meant, what is the story of Garden of Oblivion all about?
>>139032626
Pretty common in Japan for a variety of reasons. Sick, don't want to get sick, don't want to be seen, etc.
>>139032949
Why can't they handle his talent?
>>139018518
They followed Takeuchi's new design but yeah it's shit
>>139033104
He should've been the one to direct either UBW or HF. He souldn't be stuck to deciding how big a boob should look on screen like in GE or how shitty his source material like in GYO.
I mean the fucker directed what is arguably the best episode of TV anime in Paranoia Agent and one of the best anime movies in the 2000s. Fuck I'm mad. He should've stuck with Madhouse.
>>139032626
They do this in crowded areas. Just imagine it as their "good mannerism" in someway.
>>139004393
>Ufo skies are pure porn
Saber's bike in F/Z was neat too
>>139022775
what turned him black?
>>139034735
Magecraft
The same reason his hair went white
>>139022775
Unpopular opinionMiura isn't a bad director and I have faith HF will be okay
>>138993638
they should make a zelda anime or a ninja gaiden anime
>>138993638
I like them because I was fond of Futakoi Alternative.
Bet no one here even watched that.
>>139033261
But he has almost total control of GE as seen here >>139018718
We need the Extras subbed so that we can get the complete picture on the GE production and judge accordingly.
And Hirao also directed Manabi Straight which a lot of people liked.
A Hirao original would be a sight to see but as far as we go, GE is the closest to that, being semi original so to speak
>>139034735
>>139034791
The white hair was magecraft. The tan was from being in the Middle-East while fighting ISIS.
I fucking hate lazy digital coloring.
>>139036642
No one is doing old school painting anymore. Rewatch Le Conte de la princesse Kaguya on loop if you want that artstyle you faggot.
>>139036620
I kinda want them to make a sequel where we see shirou's adventures in the middle east
>>139036620
Nope miyuverse shirou has some of his skin tanned in some places so it is magecraft.
>>139037782
>Miyuverse Shirou
>Taking something from a manga that's confirmed not canon
Also aren't those burn marks? I also believe Nasu literally said it the tan was from scorching desert heat.
>>139035964
I liked them back when they made Dokkoida, Coyote Ragtime Show, Ninja Nonsense and Futakoi Alternative
>>139031360
>2007-2013
KnK is dead.
>>139037829
It's from using projection magic past his limits.
>>139037877
>Coyote Ragtime Show
How could I have forgotten this.
>>139027148
Thanks pal.
>>139036620
Nasu should learn english and then write his things in it so it can spread to the world. Really, why amazon didn't made a proposal to him yet?
The only thing I care about is Tohsaka's defenseless anus, let's be honest
>>139041968
One of the core differences between DEEN and Ufotable is that in the DEEN canon, Tohsaka's anus is actually fairly well fortified.
>>139042158
I've never watched DEEN's anime, this is hilarious
>>139031702
They're everywehere.
>>139037527
>Continue from where UBW ended with a new season
>Follow Shiro's shenanigans with the sandniggers and his journey of becoming Archer
>All the way up to the moment he is about to get hanged, he has a change of paradigm, decides to fuck everything and just kill all the fuckers that betrayed him at his execution site
>He doesn't become a Heroic Spirit but doesn't want to help anyone anymore and actually becomes a cynical asshole rather than faking it like the faker EMIYA is
>He goes back to studying magic with Rin and broes it up with Waver
>Make it a SOL from this point
>>139042687
Unlimited Blade Works - Season 3 written by...?
>>138995633
>- When asked what makes Ufotable special, Yoshikawa says it is in how all the various departments work together and communicate freely. When she talks to people working in other studios, it is very common that the digital compositing is handled by a contractor instead. At Ufotable, animators are able to walk into the photography department and ask for a scene to be altered a certain way, alternatively they can always approach animation staff directly to ask for specific artwork requests. This level of communication between staff raises efficiency significantly.
>Tanizawa likes the flexibility in Ufotable most of all. He appreciates how open the studio is in mutual exchange of ideas. Unlike other places where animators and CG staff sometimes don't get along, at Ufotable everyone looks at the larger picture. There is mutual respect between the staff, and they combine their skills to achieve the best looking result possible.
>>139043874
Hey Neogaf
>>139044267
yeah i don't like them either, but at least someone translated this interview.
>>138993638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9rxpzqHujc
>we will never have a good quality release of this
>all this pleb who has only watch typemoonshit and godeater as Ufo's anime
![Muh Spin [BD].webm](https://i.imgur.com/wOmM4PZ.jpg "Muh Spin [BD]")
