its not the best anime ever made but its pretty good up until the last few episodes
>>138939282
>why do people hate cowboy bebop
I hate talking about. Not the series.
One of the worst shows I've ever seen.
I love everything about Cowboy Bebop except the main plot.
>>138939364
why?
>>138939282
>up until the last few episodes
>>138939282
Actually hating cowboy bebop outright is a sign of having shit taste
I think reddit or some other site recently started liking it.
And you know how that goes.
>>138939390
up until that its mostly episodic adventures
>>138939492
That webm is not okay.
>>138939492
holy shit wtf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcrb6365GsQ
>>138939450
overall, yes. but spikes backstory was touched upon on at least every couple of episodes. his motivations for doing what he did made perfect sense. Space Dandy, now that's a shit show.
>>138939492
>this scene
FUCK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn-uxaIZVXI
>>138939282
The main story is pretty shit.
Episodic stuff is good though.
most people who claim they like it are normalfags and have only seen 2-3 episodes on toonami when they were a kid yet they will still say that its their favorite series or rave about how good it is
>>138939282
>why do people hate cowboy bebop
Because it has an obnoxious normalfag fanbase that thinks it's the greatest thing ever, and it's easier to just pretend we hate it to keep its fanbase away than to try to discuss it rationally while taking the effort to keep cancerous /v/shitters out. I personally like it a lot, but I'm willing to shit all over it if it will make /v/ leave.
>>138939686
that explains it
>>138939660
Your passive aggressive post is irrelevant and says nothing about the quality of the show.
>>138939686
Notice how these fags always say the same thing, whine about the fanbase. If you left your hugbox for five seconds you would realize cowboy bebop hasnt been talk of the town for years.
>>138939282
They cant handle the fact that the only loli in the show had a boy's name.
>>138939686
Here we go again with the "it's popular therefore I don't like it" argument.
Way to show how much of a fag you are.
>>138939760
> If you left your hugbox for five seconds you would realize cowboy bebop hasnt been talk of the town for years
Nigger, when I google "best anime," Bebop is literally the first suggestion on that weird scrolling list Google gives you.
>>138939884
Because the lists that constitutes its sources come from articles and blogs amassed throughout the years. Heres a more informal way of seeing the differences in popularity between then and now shows, the tokyo ghoul op has like 35 million views and cowboy bebop has like 5.
>>138939492
Why is it so short, I want to watch it get swallowed. Or did the person filming puss out?
>>138939492
>>138939880
If you had reading comprehension above that of a kindergartner you would have noticed I said I quite like the show, but I act like I don't when necessary to avoid the more cancerous elements of its fanbase attempting to engage me in conversation about it.
>>138940040
Thats much more reasonable. Sorry I almost took you for a retard.
>>138939387
Like everyone else on neo-/a/, he probably doesn't wear nostalgia glasses
>>138940106
I watched it a few months ago why would I have nostalgia glasses?
Fucking newfags I eat puppies like that every day
>>138939977
Did you make those numbers up on the spot or is YT being retarded for me?
>>138939492
WHAT THE FUCK
>>138940208
I didnt make them up, the video with the most views was probably culled for copyright strikes like alot of new anime music. If you look further you will see a variety of covers of the op in different languages have close to 10 million views, at the very least suggesting the op is that popular. About 6 months back I recall the OP tv size being about 25 million so I just threw a number out there. shingeki no kyojin's op views were similar.
A very rough indicator but hopefully you see the point im trying to make.
>>138940375
Okay, I guess I'll accept that, but the most viewed results for "Evangelion" and "A Cruel Angel's Thesis" have nowhere near 30 million hits either, and I don't think anyone's going to claim that's out of fashion.
>>138940428
Theres a difference between being out of fashion and being out of memory. Evangelion may not be the latter but it is the former. Theres a new generation of anime fans and they werent even born when the show first aired so they certainly arent OG if you catch my drift. Also niche popularity on the internet is rarely reflective of real popularity I doubt many people in Japan even know what Gankutsuou is
>>138939492
Holy shit, fucking kill yourself.
>>138940375
While the fanbases of newer shows might be greater in sheer number, the Bebop fanbase has the whole le wrong generation nostalgia goggles making its fanbase that much more cancerous. Beyonce or whoever the fuck is popular these days might have more fans among today's youth than various classic rock bands, but you don't see Beyonce fans posting "IM 12 AND I HATE MY GENERATION WHY CANT THEY APPRECIATE MASTERPIECES LIKE BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY" all across youtube. There might be more Tokyo Ghoul fans out there today, but they don't have a complex about the show they like representing a lost golden age that gives them reason to bitch about how nothing modern is as good as it using whatever reddit buzzwords like "moeshit" avail them.
>>138939492
im from b wats up guys HOLY FRICK
>>138940579
I dont know why you and the people who share your weird mindset think thats relevant. They dont whail that Tokyo Ghoul is a forgotten masterpiece because its neither forgotten nor a masterpiece.
>>138939686
But you're obnoxious and we can't make you leave
Why even bother?
>>138939626
Anon I wasn't ready
>>138939492
What the fuck. Fuck you for posting this
>>138940909
>>138940039
Why does /v/ always come out for the epic image reactions?
>>138939977
YT views mean nothing and this discussion is whether a show is good or not, popularity is irrelevant.
Ghoulfags themselves are the biggest critics on how shit their anime was meanwhile Bebopfags don't shut up about how much they love theirs.
both are objectively shit anyways and you are a retard for liking either one
>>138940177
Exactly.
The majority of people who liked this enjoy it because it was a popular show during their childhood.
>>138939492
good god stop posting this
>>138940659
What aren't you getting about this? People hate the Bebop fanbase because it's annoying.
>>138941001
>>138941128
Back to tokyo ghoul general
>>138940659
>They dont whail that Tokyo Ghoul is a forgotten masterpiece because its neither forgotten nor a masterpiece.
And Bebop is also neither forgotten nor a masterpiece, yet its fans do wail that it is a forgotten masterpiece regularly and loudly.
>>138941267
Nigger, I didn't even mention Tokyo Ghoul.
>>138940977
It's not like they're contributing in any other way.
>>138941294
I dont have the energy to debate this but basically you are wrong. Cowboy bebop is the best anime ever made from an artistic, cinematic, and stylistic standpoint. Considering the general mediocrity of televised anime, its existence is frankly a miracle and probably an accident. Its soundtrack is also amazing. Suck my big cock, faggots.
>>138939492
This is the worst kind of trainwreck. The kind that you just can't turn away from.
>>138941378
Ok, 6/10, you had me going for a bit there, but this was just way too over-the-top and obvious to work.
>>138941378
> Its soundtrack is also amazing
Not even Kanno's best. Suck your own dick.
>>138941427
>the original meaning of trainwreck is now being explained as a "kind" of trainwreck
Buzzwords were a mistake.
>>138941001
Tell me more about your mature patrician taste fuckboy. You can enjoy something bad without being a retard.
>letting the fanbase decide what you think of a show
>>138940106
>Like everyone else on neo-/a/, he probably doesn't watch anime
FTFY
>>138940106
>>138941922
Neo-/a/ implies they are in any way /a/. They are not.
>>138941973
>its that poster who thinks /a/ is a secret treehouse
Heavy anime fans hate cowboy bebop because if you are a heavy anime fan, it means you watch a lot of anime. And if you watch a lot of anime, you inevitably watch a lot of fanservice moe slice of life girls in tanks fanpandering yuri yaoi hentai fodder garbage, because that's what most anime is. And the people who watch that shit will inevitably be so caught up in their plebeian garbage that they write off bebop as mainstream nostalgia goggle tier.
It's complete nonsense, and you can't expect any less from this board.
>>138942008
Who are you quoting?
>>138942045
>hes right you know
He's right you know
>>138942045
Tbh those people piss me off, I enjoy my shitty comedy slice of life animes as much as anyone else but not seeing true glory is for faggots.
>>138942380
>Tbh
>>138942045
Any time I see Bebop being talked about on /a/ (which isn't even that often), 20% of it is people genuinely talking about how they enjoyed it and 80% of it is shitposting. If it's just falseflagging, then for who, the /v/ boogeyman? The whole "cancerous fanbase" argument can be applied to pretty much any piece of mainstream entertainment so I don't see why people like >>138939686 go to such autistic extremes to shit on Bebop just to keep out this fanbase that is supposedly trying to infiltrate /a/.
>but if we let the normalfags think they're welcome then they'll come in droves and shit up /a/
Oh please, any normalfags that are even aware of 4chan just think its a cesspool of racists and idiots and don't want to be associated with it.
>>138942920
>just think its a cesspool of racists and idiots
anon....
>>138939282SPIKE DIES!
>>138939282
>why do people hate cowboy bebop
No one hates it, but some people think it's just okay.
>>138939408
totally agreed
>>138939626
god imagine the sadness of waking up and not knowing who you are.
>>138942920
this.
/a/, /v/, and /pol/ have developed this hugbox/safe space/shelter mindset over the years. This is because many of the people of these boards think they are social outcasts so they cling to this board and try to drive new people away because they are afraid of having to look at what a bunch of losers they are.
Oh and just so you know, alot of people know about 4chan, and yeah most of them think we're a bunch of racist, petty, childish assholes who do nothing but sit on the internet all day and cook up trouble for the rest of the world.
>>138939282
Too mainstream.
>>138944058
>they are afraid of having to look at what a bunch of losers they are.
How are they losers? What did they lose?
>>138944058
>alot of people know about 4chan
>alot of people know about a site with more than 22 million monthly users.
You don't say.
>think we're a bunch of racist, petty, childish assholes who do nothing but sit on the internet all day and cook up trouble for the rest of the world.
That's literally what most of 4chan users call each other and yet, none of them leave the site. What people think or don't think about 4chan is irrelevant, both video games and anime are extremely popular subjects on the internet and alot of casuals and people with cancerous behavior will try to participate in the most popular anonymous board that discuss those subjects.
>>138944451
They lost two things on Titan.
Underrated by anime elitists and overrated by normalfags who barely watch anime. Anyone who claims that Bebop is the best anime of all time is either a massive casual, or someone who's stuck with nostalgia goggles, but at the same time people who say the anime is garbage are just contrarians.
>>138944516
dude most of the cancerous people are here right now.
>>138942045
You're probably right
bebop would be the GOAT show if they didn't try to hamfist that plot into it and it was just episodic space adventures
>>138944737
And yet, you can't stop coming here. The ''cancerous people'' are what make this place stand out from the rest.
Also, the behavior of the people who you call cancerous are probably within the culture of the board/site, while the cancerous fags that I was talking about are not.
>>138939492
dogcucks btfo
>>138944879
>dogcucks btfo
I don't understand why people feel bad for a predatory animal being eaten by a larger predator.
>>138944909
Because one of the predatory animals happens to have a form that appeals more to arbitrary human aesthetic standards.
The fuck is the point of this thread? literally everyone likes Bebop. I have yet to meet anyone who actually dislikes it outside of a few people on /a/, and that's legitimately the smallest minority of people.
So on another note which sub is best for samurai shampoo?
>>138939282
Because is one of the manimefags flagships.
>>138945062
the dub is good
i said it
i'll fight you fucks
>>138939492
>>138942920
Either you have a very strange understanding of what constitutes "normalfag", or you are a naive sweet little prettyboy who somehow isn't aware of how bad this place has gotten in recent years.
If the latter, I want to deflower you.
>>138945136
The dub of Champloo is better than the sub. Only dumbfuck purist scum think otherwise. I'd argue all of Watanabe's works are better dubbed.
>>138945240
objectively true
>>138945240
>I watched the dubbed version first, therefore it's better
Nostalgiafags never learn. The original language is ALWAYS the better option, the only times when it isn't is probably due to nostalgia or personal taste.
>>138945298
bebop dub is objectively better than the sub
watanabe said so
>>138945240
>Samurai speaking amerifatish
Seems legit.
>>138945204
Noting personel kid
>>138945324
>>138945298
>>138945294
>>138945240
>>138945136
Yeah, so which sub is good again?
>>138944977
Dogs are way more intelligent than snakes.
>>138945324
>objectively better
Fuck off.
>watanabe said so
That just means he prefers the dub version, it doesn't prove anything. He wouldn't be the first author to say something nonsensical.
>>138944732
This is the correct answer
>>138945298
so your way of trying to make a point is by claiming people who have these opinions are blinded by nostalgia? Your denial is strong. I watched it sub at least half a dozen times and the dub is just better. Get over it and let people have their opinions instead of crying about it.
>>138945365
Post feet
>>138945424
He's not wrong though. Why the fuck are you getting angry or even caring what others think? This is why I hate saying I watch subbed anime because people like you act like children and probably are.
>>138945527
Yup nostalgia
>>138945374
The dub.
>>138945626
It's just better dubbed, but I personally don't care how others watch it.
>>138945527
Well, that's fine. There's also people who prefer the shit dub that disney does for Ghibli films, that's just their opinion. I'm just saying that original language is always better because it's how the creators intended for the characters to sound.
Also, it doesn't matter if you watched the original version a million of times when the dubbed version was probably your first.
>>138945602
>Why the fuck are you getting angry or even caring what others think?
Don't go projecting your insecurities on me. I said fuck off because the anon came with that ''objectively better'' shit, which is something only that shitposters say.
>because people like you act like children and probably are.
No need to get mad. I'm not the one saying my opinion is objectively superior to yours.
>>138945731
>Lol you mad
>>138939282
Because they want to be contrarian.
It has good characters, great animation, good world building and a comfy atmosphere.
>>138945674
>There's also people who prefer the shit dub that disney does for Ghibli films,
At least half of those movies are just as good if not better dubbed.
>Also, it doesn't matter if you watched the original version a million of times when the dubbed version was probably your first.
Bullshit. Stop using the same excuse to validate your point. I actually didn't even grow up with the show so I have no bias opinions about it. I prefer the dub because the acting is great and the voices fit the characters perfectly which is something I didn't feel as much with the Japanese voices.
>>138941267
niceme.me
>>138945731
It is objectively better though. Just because you get mad at that particular word doesn't make it less true.
>>138945850
>At least half of those movies are just as good if not better dubbed.
Holy shit, I really hope you're baiting me.
>I actually didn't even grow up with the show so I have no bias opinions about it
So you watched the sub version first?
>>138945850
>Failed actors
>Good
>>138942045
>>138945890
>I don't know what objectively means
Whatever you say kid.
>>138945914
>implying voice acting is inferior to on camera.
>>138945850
>At least half of those movies are just as good if not better dubbed.
>Burger in charge of having taste
>>138945850
Great acting?
Dubs are made by people that failed to became real actors.
>>138945909
>Holy shit, I really hope you're baiting me.
to a degree, although there are some superb dubs like Castle of Cagliostro and Kiki's delivery service.
>So you watched the sub version first?
Yes. I didn't even watch it dubbed until 2 years after I had already watched it subbed.
ITT: Reverse trolls are trying to be trolled by real trolls
At least thats what I hope
>>138945971
In the US it pretty much is.
>>138939282
People just think it's overrated. Which it is, but only by a small margin. People say it's the greatest anime of all time, but it's really not. Still, it's a really good one, and is definitely up there with the best.
>>138946033
>trolls
this isnt 2008 grandpa
>>138945992
>real actors
please don't pretend like you know anything.
Half of dub actors nowadays are either there specifically for voice over or fell into it accidentally by doing something that wasn't even related to acting.
>>138946079
What do you call people who try b8ing others?
>>138946108
Shitposting is the hip term with the kids these days.
>>138946016
>Kiki's delivery service
Never watched the dubbed version, but I always thought the original voices were perfect.
>Yes. I didn't even watch it dubbed until 2 years after I had already watched it subbed.
Well, that's surprising. At least for me, every time I favor a dub over the sub is with old anime that I watched on TV.
>>138946055
This is true in terms of how they are treated and paid, but most voice actors just as good as on camera actors. Even Mark Hamill has said the Voice over people are the most talented people he's ever known.
>>138945971
When was the last time a dub actor was invited to be on a movie? Fuck even important roles in disney movies are given to actual actors not to people that make their living dubing chinese cartoons.
They cant even succeed in their own media
>>138946123
Really? I thought shitposting is another word for basically spamming, not for baiting
>>138945992
>Dubs are made by people that failed to became real actors.
Ponyo is dubbed by Liam Neeson, Matt Damon, Cate Blanchett and other Hollywood fags. Still, the original version is still beter in my opinion.
>>138939282
People don't hate it, they just hate talking about it for the gazillionth time. I rewatch it all the time, but never ever started a thread about it.
>>138942045
Despite your shit attitude you're actually like 95% right.
>>138946133
99% of anime are dubbed by the cheapest actors avaiable
>>138946124
That's the thing. When Bebop was on TV back in the day I was young and thought the show was boring. I only watched anime that a lot of action like DBZ, YYH, and Cyborg 009, so I couldn't appreciate it yet until I got older, so when I did feel like I was ready, I watch it subbed because I was a snob back then.
>>138946185
Not really. Voice acting is one of the only aspects where they actually spend some money on.
>>138946178
Not really, the problem is that there's just nothing left to discuss
>>138946160
Exactly important roles are given to real actors
>>138942045
No, heavy anime fans hate talking about Cowboy Bebop because they saw it years ago and aren't that interested in discussing the same shit yet again with someone who saw it yesterday as their fourth anime and thinks that not only is it an 11/10 masterpiece, but that 99% of other anime is trash not worth watching.
It's a good show, but Shinichiro Watanabe is a pretentious idiot.
>>138946189
I really don't get people who prefer dub over sub, I always assume they're casuals. Maybe because I grew up always watching films and series and even hearing music on a different language than my own but whatever. To each their own I guess.
Even in cases where the dub is suppodenly well made, like in Vampire Hunter D, I still rather watch the original.
>>138939282
I just felt Spike was an asshole character and didnt like him. Its good tho 7/10 at least.
>>138946087
>Getting this defensive
Are you a voice actor or just a /co/ckroach mad that people talk shit about his cartoon network "star"
>>138946259
Explain.
>>138945731
>I'm not the one saying my opinion is objectively superior to yours.
But that's exactly what you're doing here:
>He wouldn't be the first author to say something nonsensical.
You're no less idiotic than anyone else here, hypocrite.
Nobody hates it..... If they do I consider them to be non existent.
I don't like that the cast fell apart afterward because we need more cowboy bebop.
>>138946278
Pic related speaks for itself.
He also made Zankyou no Terror.
>>138946204
Anime is trash made for idiots, for the most part.
Yeah, you're right that Bebop has been done to death. And it IS overrated.
Still doesn't change what he said about the industry being built around obsessive fans.
>>138939282
/v/ anime.
>>138946218
In western animation, A-List actors are criticised when they do Cartoons because they're shit at it. They just end up sounding like themselves and their performance is flat, but are still hired because of name value which doesn't mean shit in animation. No kid has ever wanted to see a animated film because Brad Pitt was in it.
If you ask me. Animated films should only be done by voice actors because they are the professionals who know how to bring characters to life.
When I say A-List actors, i'm not really referring to great character actors like Robin Williams or Mike Myers. Those are guys who understand and respect the world of voice over.
That's the problem with Western animation.
>>138946288
>But that's exactly what you're doing here:
I said that he wouldn't be the first author to say something nonsensical, that's MY opinion and I never said that it was a objective fact.
Work on your reading comprehension skills.
>>138946270
Cowboy bebop had alot of american themes and one of the few anime to at least acknowledge other ethnicities in their artwork.
Cb was one of the better dubs but the original for most anime is best. Samurai champloo was also a decent dub. But original still the best.
>>138946327
He didn't fucking write ZnT.
>>138946272
It must suck though. Dream about becoming famous, receive important awards and become rich just to end up voicing a chicken or a pony.
>>138946330
Lol it only had 26 episodes and one movie how could it be done to death?
>>138946330
>Anime is trash made for idiots, for the most part.
And yet, here you're.
Man, I'm really tired of these retarded anime fans trying to act like cool kids who think their medium is shit. You're not impressing anyone
>>138946330
Why are you even here?
>>138946351
The fact that you're labeling it nonsensical is no different, moron. The whole reason the "objective fact" argument is stupid is because denying an "objective fact" is nonsensical.
You're just as dumb as he is. Move on.
>>138946358
So? Who said he did?
Sounds like you're a retard desperately trying to defend him.
>>138946407
I'm on an anime kick. Sometimes I just have the craving for something different.
I'm not trying to impress anyone and I don't actually give a shit.
>>138946408
Here to talk about anime, of course. Does that mean I'm not allowed to have opinions on the state of the industry? Can you actually debunk what I said about the anime industry being hopelessly parochial?
You know it's possible to like some anime and not others. You don't have to like or hate everything, you know.
>>138946342
>A-List actors are criticised when they do Cartoons because they're shit at it
Only by an small group of geeks. The masses love their work
>>138946445
There was nothing pretentious or idiotic about the stuff in ZnT that was actually his responsibility. Your entire argument is that one show he directed had shitty pretentious writing and that he wears sunglasses.
>>138946456
>on an anime kick
Jesus fuck, why do these people think they belong here?
>You know it's possible to like some anime and not others
If you like a few anime and think the rest is trash, I wish it would be impossible for you to use this site.
>people on /a/ actually think Watanabe is pretentious but Oshii isn't
>>138946475
Sounds like you don't know how a production works; just another fat neckbeard who thinks he has it all figured out from the comfort of his home.
Also if you can't see the sheer pretentious nature of those pictures, then you really are retarded. Keep defending him like the desperate little retard you are though.
>>138946426
I'm not sure what are you even trying to say here. I was just saying that authors say stupid shit all the time and their word shouldn't be taken as objective facts every time. I never claimed that this was a fact, or that my opinion was a fact, I just expressed myself in a way that offended you.
>You're just as dumb as he is.
I guess that makes us three.
>>138946509
They're both extremely pretentious.
>>138946509
I don't think anyone's going to deny that Oshii's pretentious.
>>138946473
>The masses love their work
That's completely wrong. When was the last time you've seen someone praised in a cartoon film. That's never the case. No one praises Christian Bales performance in Howl's moving castle or Cameron Diaz in shrek because their shit. No one cares about the actors and dull performances, they just love the overall story.
>>138946542
>I'm not sure what are you even trying to say here
Because you're stupid.
He says X is an objective fact.
You respond with "wouldn't be the first time someone said something nonsensical", which implies Watanabe said something nonsensical.
Backpedal all you want, you still said something glaringly hypocritical and you're a moron because of it.
>>138946592
Third party here, I just want to say that you're the moron in this conversation who doesn't understand either how opinions work or how the fucking conditional works in English.
>>138946592
This.
>>138946592
>You respond with "wouldn't be the first time someone said something nonsensical", which implies Watanabe said something nonsensical.
No, it doesn't. Go back to ninth grade.
>>138946456
>I'm not trying to impress anyone
Yes, you're. You're just like those guys who start a OP saying ''I generally hate anime, but damn FMA is so good!!'', you want to like but at the same time disassociate yourself with the medium because you perceive it as being a low form of entertainment that's associated with nerds.
You're just the type of guy who says ''I like this but admit that's trash'' to get the approval of others.
>You know it's possible to like some anime and not others. You don't have to like or hate everything, you know.
And yet, you're trying to label the industry as being shit as a whole.
>>138939587
bebop ost reminds me the moot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKnVaDwUg5s
Can we all just agree Bebop is better dubbed but the sub is almost as good?
>>138946592
>You respond with "wouldn't be the first time someone said something nonsensical", which implies Watanabe said something nonsensical.
Are you retarded?Serious question. My post about his claim being nonsensical doesn't mean or imply that I think my claim is a objective fact.
Learn how to read you fucking Ape.
>>138939626
well anon you make me cry
>>138939492
delete this
>>138946692
Yes I agree completely
>>138946625
Nice try at samefagging, idiot. Your tone gives you away.
You clearly don't know how opinions work yourself, I wouldn't lecturing others if I were you.
>>138946721
>My post about his claim being nonsensical doesn't mean or imply that I think my claim is a objective fact.
Yes it does, idiot. I suggest you concentrate on your english classes rather than sperging out when someone exposes your idiocy..
>>138946833
inb4 Photoshop accusations
>>138939282
>why do people hate cowboy bebop
Where do you see this hate?
>>138946893
It's more people resenting that it's the face of "babby's first anime".
>>138946887
Fuck, I swear I attached it.
I used to consider it as a masterpiece when it was the second anime i watched
But now its still goddamn awesome but not masterpiece tier
Most avid anime watchers dont dwell on the obscurity and other capabilities of what anime can do, instead they cling on to whats familiar with them
Thats why if your first anime was CB youre very lucky
>>138946692
No and dubfags lying about the director preferring it says it all
>>138939282
>why do people hate cowboy bebop
nobody hates bepop, op
