Holy fuck, i'm actually genuinely depressed from this anime... I don't know why it hit me so hard (no i've never been cucked)
Why on earth did the writer have to do this? I don't understand it, there could've been a billion different outcomes...
How was the NTR?
Good thread.
2/10, see me after class.
what does cucked mean?
>>138920702
Throughout the show they led you to believe there was going to be romance between Kayo and Satoru, and waking up from coma Satoru would wake up to hugs and kisses....
>>138920647
Why would you be depressed? This was a happy ending. All his struggles and sacrifice were vindicated. Two people who would have been dead lived, because of him. Happy lives. And they brought a new life into the world as well. This is a beautiful end.
Crying about "cuck" is just so...petty.
>>138920841
Oh, I must have missed the part where the 15 year coma was for shadowed, as to allow for the anticipation of Kayo waiting through it for him... when no relationship of that kind had any real chance of being formed in a couple of days.
>>138920923
My argument is mostly this
>>138920841
>>138920963
In terms of logic, sure it makes sense. But in terms of outcome, it was horrible
>>138920973
>>138920841
Sure it's not what you expected. Isn't that a good thing? Rather than a trite "and your reward is pussy" end, I much prefer this; when the reward is the beauty of life. A life HE made possible. There are more kinds of love than romantic love, that can be just as moving and powerful.
>>138921090
Honestly i'd rather have Kayo die in some accident during those 15 years than see her NTR. wtf
>b-but there was no ntr!
DUDE KEK LMAO
>>138921006
I disagree. If it's logical, then expecting the contrary, by definition, is ILLOGICAL.
It's your own fault for expecting anything else when it was clear that his sole objective, from the beginning, was saving his mom; I mean, the fact that he went back to his 10 year old self wasn't even his own choice - it just so happened that that period was the key moment in time he had to go to to change the future. Saving Kayo was a secondary result of his main goal.
So,did 2ch boycott bokudake ?
>>138921177
>>138921119
are you fuckers incapable of understanding unselfish love
Do you think Superman saves people for sex
>>138921177
>even japan misunderstands this show
Are there no intellectuals watching this show anymore??
>>138921250
But this is anime, not real life. I don't need unpure shit in my anime and the outcome could have been 10x better and more clever if the shitty writer didn't try to force NTR down our throats
>>138920923
besided what the other anon says
the problem is that he lost 15 years of his life , as well as his mom.
All the little kids he saved with his power are also dead.
everyone moved on , and satoru as to start his life as a 26 yl
What i didn't understand is why does hinazuki had a baby with hiromi,like,the odds that you're getting married with your childhood friend are actually pretty low,also you'll never see a japanese woman having a baby at this age because works and stuff,so don't talk to be about realism.
To all those people who said "satoru only wanted to save her so it's okay",i get it,but why didn't he made hinazuki single,she doesn't have to be in a relationship,nobody cares if she's a virgin or not,i think everyone would be happy if she just saw satoru and they ended up together.
I'm not saying that she had to wait 15 years,i'm just saying that she didn't have to be in a relationship with hiromi,everyone would liked it better if they satoru and hinazuki ended up together.
>>138921250
nadie piensa eso maricon, lo que molesta es que la perra lo primero que hace es mostrarle el hijo que tuvo con otro al chico que estuvo 15 años en como por salvarla, perra insensible
>>138920833
It's what you say food is after its been in the over, microwave, etc.
>>138921401
Coma
>>138921401
Go back to mow my lawn Pedro.
>>138921361
>>138921332
I thought /a/ being selfish, autistic manchildren was a meme.
>muh anime should be 100% wish fulfillment
This is why otaku are cancer and anime is dying.
I would be totally ok if Kayo was married and had kid but with some unknown guy and not fucking Hiromi or other Satoru childhood friend.
Shit like this just leave bad after taste.
![[FFF] Hibike! Euphonium - 08 [4F2BE868].mkv_snapshot_07.37_[2015.06.01_05.47.52].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NQrbEV6.jpg "[FFF] Hibike! Euphonium - 08 [4F2BE868].mkv_snapshot_07.37_[2015.06.01_05.47.52].jpg")
>>138921372
>it's that butthurt Kayoufag ESL again
>>138921177
More pics like this.
Satoru already has known the taste of NTR since a very young age.
>>138921372
That actually makes fucking sense. Why do people assume Kayo HAD to be in a relationship in those 15 years?
>>138921372
>everyone would liked it better if they satoru and hinazuki ended up together.
Shut up, dumb Kayotard.
I would like it better if Satoru and Airi ended up together. And guess what? I got exactly that
Stay mad forever, Kayoturd
>>138921521
I'm a purefag who likes wish fulfillment in his pulp stories, too, but I'm not a retard who thought he was going to end up with the ten-year-old in the past.
>>138921560
sorry i guess ?
God bless the NTR episode
I had not laughed so much in a long time
>>138921329
This unironically. This is an Anime that makes you think unlike all the other harem garbage from every season, why can't people use their brain to understand the situations and events? It makes me so mad.
>>138921607
Ironically, Atko-chan was also saved by him from Yashiro-sensei.
>>138921521
>fags bitch and cry about a scene that didn't go how they thought it would
>fags autisticly yell at them for feeling sad
I don't know who's worse.
>>138921639
The anime clearly wanted to make them together,e had 5-6 episodes of satoru and hinazuki blushing at each other and shit.
I like airi too but in the anime she was completely forgotten
>>138921521
I'm an autistic manchild myself, but I'm still not retarded enough to think he was going to end up with the ten-year-old in the past and not the teenager who basically only existed to provide an endgame.
>>138921748
Who gives a fuck about anime?
>>138921177
Do not trust traps
Reminder
>>138922003
What the fuck is this retarded. This new cancer shit?
>>138921250
Superman has Lois Lane
>>138922003
fixed that for you m8
>>138921521
>This is why otaku are cancer and anime is dying.
Otaku are the ones buying anime merchandise, they are infact the sole reason anime is not already dead. It's also the reason so much anime is made to pander towards them, because it just sells.
>>138922105
Lurk more
>>138921401
The wall just got 10 feet higher.
>>138922105
Forgot your pills today, Kayotard?
the reason why the anime fucked up this scene is because satoru isn't smiling like he does in the manga. as seen >>138921244 here.
he has a sort of stone face. it's unclear what his emotions are, so it is easier to see him being disappointed or sad.
>>138920647
>metal gear memes
>>>/v/
>>138921372
Kayo might have waited for Satoru to wake up and we know she felt conflicted about being happy despite his condition.
Kayo probably wanted to get married before she turned into a christmas cake, or maybe her grandmother incited her into a relationship before the expiration date.
Also, Hiromi seems like a gentle and delicateguy. It's perfectly reasonable a victim of child abuse would feel secure being with amanlike him that she knew from childhood.
But as others have pointed out, what's really shit are the events that lead to it. Satoru's stupidity is the cause he got into a coma and the fucker deserved it in a way.
>>138921521
come on man , you know this is just shit writing.
The coma out of nowhere , the forced NTR bullshit (and the author is known for letting the manlet win allways)
You are gonna tell me now that the divorce over a chocolate bar is god tier writing now.
Can we say it now? can we finally admit that this series started as a good idea but ended being bullshit?
>>138922360
You're right mate
>>138922501
yeah that's the same,the director did a fucking great job but it ended up being ntr shitty writing
>>138920923
>>138922463
It's said in the manga that Hiromi and Kayo hit it off during the many visits to comatose MC.
All this NTR shit is stupid; Satoru's goal or end game never involved Kayo romantically, he just wanted to stop his mom and friend's murders from happening and stop the killer.
Honestly, even Airi feels forced. This is the kind of thing that didn't need romantic sub plots; just a guy wanting to do good by himself and others and succeeding after much sacrifice you could remove all traces of it and it would still be good.
>>138922118
he has airi
>>138922818
He gave 0 shits about Hiromi until after Kayo was gone, barely remembered him even though he was in his friendship group.
And without romance this show has nothing, poor excuse of a 'mystery', so many plot holes and poor plot devices even though it has fucking magic that it could've plugged it with.
>>138922998
>He gave 0 shits about Hiromi until after Kayo was gone, barely remembered him even though he was in his friendship group.
Kayo was top priority, marked to die pretty soon.
He barely remembered him because in the original timeline Hiromi was also killed that year and the parents tried really hard to make their kids forget.
>And without romance this show has nothing.
Seriously? What about one man's plight to save his mum and clear his name? Don't you tell me the reason people pick this up is because of "romance"
>poor excuse of a 'mystery'
I'll give you that one; there were just too little male characters to make a broad list of potential murderers, made worse by the anime's hamfisted attempts at mystery; you could literally tell who the murderer was without reading the source pretty early.
>so many plot holes and poor plot devices
Any examples?
>>138922998
>without romance this show has nothing
This.
All those "b-but the show is about Satoru saving his mom" fags could go eat dogshit.
Nobody saw this shit for other reason more than the main couple's development.
It's funny, the author literally sabotaged his own work with this ending. He had a gem in his hands and ended melting it instead of polishing for "muh midget beta self-insert".
This shit is forced I swear, I refuse to believe you people are quite this stupid. I've started to realize some faults with boku dake, it is certainly not the perfection the first ep promised, but the "cucking" isn't one of those faults.
>>138923380
15 year time skip plot device where the mc somehow lives. A time travel power that is never fully explored only because the author wants to freely advance the plpt. All of the people Satoru saved in the old timeline using his revival are now all dead.
>>138920841
>>138920647
>throughout the show
What the fuck. No. Why are you shipperfaggots so delusional about this.
Satoru felt proud he's able to protect his friend in the end. He went through a lot of time loops just to save her life since she kept on dying.
Bear in mind his endgame goal is to save his mom. How? By bringing justice to the culprit.
How can he catch the culprit?
By saving Kayo's life.
Kayo is not the goal. There's no romance whatsoever, it's all in your head.
This meme got even worse nowadays, I've seen a growing number of complaints outside of /a/shitloads in my facebook pageand guess who are the type of people whining.
Fucking white knights, orbiters, and friendzoned omegas.
>>138923397
This, does anyone wonder why they focused so much on Satoru and Kayo in the anime and omitted lots of content? Because that was the selling point, the director knew well what exactly would draw people in.
>>138923397
>main couple
>not satotu and airi
3/10
>>138923591
>shitloads in my facebook page
So this is the kind of people cucks in denial are.
>>138921521
It is a meme, for the most part anyway. People shitpost by acting intentionally retarded because it entertains them and gets them attention. The problem is that actual retards browse the boards, see shitposts and think they're real opinions, then they feel validated because they think it means other people share their views.
>>138922501
The coma was shit writing, but the NTR didn't exist, you are projecting way too much on a relationship where MC was 29 when they became friends and used her to save his mom and avoid his shitty future in prison for a crime he didn't commit.
>>138922818
>This is the kind of thing that didn't need romantic sub plots
Agree with this.
>and it would still be good.
Not so much this, I think it needs tweaking. Better mystery set up, more emphasis on saving his mom, and no coma. But the romance sure as hell didn't add anything worthwhile.
>>138923591
> theres no romance whatsoever
Holy shit the bait
>>138923380
>Don't you tell me the reason people pick this up is because of "romance"
was actually one of the reasons people watched it.
The same reason they feel it going down after ep 9 when kayo went off with her grandma.
the same reason they got so mad at the "NTR" in episode 11.
Man i dont know about the author , but the anime company sell you that romance , the picture of this anime is kayo and young satoru , 9 episodes of 12 try to ship kayo and satoru.
Making airi erased from most of the show
>>138923645
Who is Airi again?
>>138923591
>facebook page
You just discredited your whole rant, you fucking normie.
>>138923645
Who is that? Was she in the anime
Can we agree that people who think there's romance between kayo and satoru have shitty parental bonding and upbringing, since they forgot about mom?
>>138923591
>facebook page
>>138921734
> makes you think
Oh, it made people think alright. After the smoke cleared, people gave it some thought and this was the thought:
The execution was shit.
>>138923591
> T-this is show is about sonny saving mommy.
https://www.google.cl/search?q=boku+ga+inai+machi&espv=2&biw=454&bih=437&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjz5o7cztLLAhXLkJAKHRShAL0Q_AUIBigB
Yeah. They sure sold the show due to his mother, crap she's everywhere. I'm looking forward to all those mom's doujins.
Sasuga beta-fags. Unable to see the bait.
ITT: Defending cuckoldry and degeneracy
I can't wait till Trump becomes president and genocides all of you lot.
>>138923397
>Nobody saw this shit for other reason more than the main couple's development.
I don't know about you, but I was reading the manga for a while before the anime and didn't care about the "main couple" at all, it was clear they weren't a couple and that Airi was the love interest, and because Sanbe typically gives zero fucks about romance.
>>138923689
Just about every volume had Kayo and Satoru on the cover. After Satoru goes into a coma Kayo returns to the tree Satoru promised to see with her in the summer. Then it timeskips where she has a baby. I'm not even joking
>>138920647
I hope this flopped.
>>138923911
It was going to flop regardless.
>>138923838
You dense motherfucker, the viewer is supposed to fall in love with kayo (she is the best :3) not necessarily the MC. Stop equating MC=you and there is no problem.
>>138922818
>this is the kind of thing that didn't need romantic sub plots
Exactly. But here's the problem with the story - it attempted to shove it down people's throats anyway. If the story dialed down the Kayo shipping and focused on MC using his supposed 29-year old brain to solve a mystery and not acting like an actual 10 year old, this thing could've been absolutely solid.
>>138923519
>15 year time skip plot device where the mc somehow lives.
He went back 15 years to change fate, and because of that he lost 15 years. It's like pottery.
But seriously, how else would you see the aftermath in a timely manner? His job in the past was done. it's not great but it's not bad either.
>A time travel power that is never fully explored only because the author wants to freely advance the plpt
It always was a framing device; a way for someone to suspend their disbelief at the fact MC was able to send his mind back 15 years to the past. It was never fully explored because it was just there, even the MC didn't understand it nor could he control it at will to a exploitable degree; if the author went that route then it would turn out very differently.
>All of the people Satoru saved in the old timeline using his revival are now all dead.
That's a very valid point though. and that shit isn't even mentioned anymore. That's 1 for 3
>>138923992
>If the story dialed down the Kayo shipping and focused on MC using his supposed 29-year old brain to solve a mystery and not acting like an actual 10 year old, this thing could've been absolutely solid.
Not really, cutting out the cute girl wouldn't help much.
>>138923894
I'm talking about the anime. If the Satoru/Kayo couple weren't as important and romantically focused as it was, why put them together in almost every anime advertising this series got?
Satoru never showed any affection for Kayo besides wanting her to live (which was only because he felt guilty about letting her die) so he was basically as happy as he could possibly be just seeing her living a happy life. There was never any romantic connection. The whole "guy saves girl so she falls in love with him" cliche is just overdone by now.
Autists on /a/ just get way too invested in the relationships of characters in anime for obvious reasons.
>>138923894
Airi was the love interest? I completely disregarded Airi from being a love interest because of the age gap in the present and how little she had to do with the story. Only reason I liked Satoru and Kayo was because of how much it focused on them and how she would be the same age as Satoru.
>>138924033
>because of the age gap in the present
Really now? You think that's a barrier?
>>138924030
Because Aniplex knows how to sell a series.
>>138924030
>having the two main characters on the front of the ads means they're a couple now
>>138923397
>>138923640
Finally,some people start to get it
>>138923591
>facebook page
you fucking retarded cunt. I use fb too but I don't say I do while browsing /a/. Go back to your shitty le cory in the house is best animu xd anime meme page, fucking degenerate.
>>138924101
holy shit, kill yourself
>>138924030
>I'm talking about the anime.
Then why are you complaining about the author?
>>138923967
Why are you thinking every person who shipped them is self-inserting as default?
Eat you pamphlets you worthless beta-fag.
>>138920647
>expecting a grown woman to dedicate her life to a guy she knew for a week in 5th grade and who was in a coma untill a few days ago
>>138924179
Not like the manga was that different.
>>138924195
>being this dumb
Kill yourself 2bh
>>138924101
>I use fb too but I don't say I do while browsing /a/
Is this bait?
>>138924033
>>138924074
So people here says that satoru can't get in love with kayo at young age
But can totally go with a girl 10 years younger than him.
im ok with that.
Still i cannot unsee the fact that airi was created just to be MC's lover
She dosn't do shit neither in the manga or the anime , and i think im not the only one thinking about this the director of the anime ERASED her from most of the anime
>>138924101
>I use fb too but I don't say I do while browsing /a/
>>138924278
Nice Facebook pic lad.
>>138920841
>Throughout the show they led you to believe there was going to be romance between Kayo and Satoru
Except they never did this. In ep9 they explicitly said it would not happen. A few episodes before, can't remember when exactly, he's talking to yashiro and it is mentioned that if he is sucessful (in saving kayo), he won't see her anymore, again explicitly laying out the ending. Plus, since it was obviously about saving her, not getting in her pants, all along, how it would end was pretty obvious from approximately episode 2.
>>138924080
>having them -really close- together.
>>138924258
>>138924258
>Still i cannot unsee the fact that airi was created just to be MC's lover
Yes, clearly. That's part of why it was obvious she was going to win.
How the fuck is it NTR if the faggot was gone for 15 years in a GD coma? Jesus, you lose any right to call it NTR after the standard 4 years absence, and the only reason the non contact period is that long is for soldiers on deployment.
>waiting 15 years
>for anyone
>even in fiction
>>138921332
>I don't need unpure shit in my anime
Then isn't it great that satoru's love for kayo is pure.
>>138920647
You guys are pathetic shitposters.
>>138924355
>hurr hurr hurr hurr hurr hurr HUUURRRRRRRRRR
>>138924315
How is this laying out the ending? It's not shown in the anime but in the manga she returned to the town to see Satoru and tell him he is her hero.
>>138924355
>15 years
>a long time
Do you even ICHIMANNEN TO NISSENEN MAE KARA AISHITERU?
>Anime can't be good unless the main character has a romantic partner.
Nah fuck all of you.
>>138924258
>i cant unsee the fact
for it to be a fact it has to be true in the first place.
>>138924258
He just never saw Kayo romantically. When you're nearly 30 years old you tend to look at kids as something to protect, not something to fall in love with. Which is exactly what happened here.
He thinks the same thing about Airi at first but she genuinely falls in love with him. As for her not having a large part in the anime, I think she did her part the first time he went back to the future. Obviously she doesn't play a big part in the past.
>>138923813
If the execution was actually shit, no-one would care.
Memetards may have missed the point of the show, but by god they lost their minds when they didn't get the girl.
tlnote they means mc
>>138924462
>she genuinely falls in love with him
Things that never happened.
>>138922003
Not baiting here, but my irl weeb circles reflect this behavior.
The raging kayofags are ironically animeonly faggots. People who read the manga before are divided. Most didn't even factor in the romance.
The vocal angry kayofags are 17-22, while the meh ones are significantly older.
Tried to discuss with them why are they angry and displeased. They couldn't even explain their reasoning properly.
They are not even shipperfags jesus what happened.
How did this show managed to create such a gigantic rift?
>>138924355
i know someone in my family who took care of her lover for 12 years.
>even in fiction
I know the case of my family was a rare one ,
but why not in fiction? in most anime the old childhood friend waits for the MC all her life.and dont bring that realism bullshit here, with the divorce over a chocolate bar , the kid that can't beat a seatbelt , and the time travel stuff
>>138924101
>>138924278
>>138924322
I don't see romance from this pic. I see a guy wanting to protect a girl. Having watched the series and knowing the context that Satoru is really 29 years old, it looks more like parental affection than anything else.
>>138924443
There's a reason dogs are renowned for their loyalty, anon.
>>138924449
>denial
Seriously , are these people really that stupid , come on anon i know you are better than this
>>138923813
>execution was shit
This is just code for "I didn't like it but if I say exactly why I'll look like a dumbass"
Wait a fucking minute I'm trying to follow the conversations here, who the hell is Airi? The girl sensei used as bait in the hockey stadium?
>>138924558
Bless you, my african american brother.
I love /a/, but sometimes we got too autistic I don't even know what's bait anymore and whether these people are genuinely friendzoned faggots self-inserting themselves.
>>138924674
>who the hell is Airi?
>>138924494
Think of it this way. Let's say we have a 3 minute musical piece. The first 2 minutes were great, but the last minute consists of the band almost literally vomiting on the song.
Of course people are gonna talk about the last minute being shit. It's a composition, not very different from this story. Anyone can literally screw up their stuff at any given point.
Satoru never fell in love with anyone in the story. Satoru's relationship with Airi was a student teacher relationship where Satoru learned from Airi. His relationship with Kayo helped him open up and express himself, because Kayo was easily able to see through him. The only romance that ever happend was childhood romance between Satoru and Kayo. People are disappointed because it focused too much on them, and led them to believe there realationship was being built up for the future with all the focus.
>>138924439
>She is going to leave
>i.e. they won't be together
She could move right back into town a month later, doesn't change the point of the conversation which is that by saving her he will also lose her.
>>138924540
>i know someone in my family who took care of her lover for 12 years.
If her lover was in a coma, then she's retarded for wasting her life like that, and she's cruel for for letting him waste away without dignity.
>>138924540
>and dont bring that realism bullshit here, with the divorce over a chocolate bar , the kid that can't beat a seatbelt
>dont bring up realism because most of the worst writing in the show was unrealistic
Bad post from top to bottom. Reflect before you take a shit on your keyboard next time.
>>138924949
>If her lover was in a coma, then she's retarded for wasting her life like that, and she's cruel for for letting him waste away without dignity.
>go into coma for a decade
>wake up
>woman you love has taken care of you that whole time
>Man, what a cruel bitch she's been to me.
>>138924744
from episode 8
sachiko "am i getting in the way?"
satoru "yeah"
*kayo blushes*
you can say as much as you want about "oh it was just a parental thing" or "he was 29, he wouldn't have romantic feelings for her". ill just watch the show again and see the endless hints that they were developing romantic feelings for each other. youd have to be an autist to not notice
I honestly can't tell if this NTR thing is a meme or if it's /a/ pretending to be retarded. The whole reason Satoru wanted to save Kayo in the first place was to save his mother from dying later or did some of you guys forget that? Sure he might have thought Kayo was cute when he went back in time but he never wanted a full blown relationship he just wanted to save the kids and find out who the killer was to save his mother.
>>138925158
fuck off sel-finsert fag
Why people assume for romantic series that they both needed to fall in love with each other before the anime ended.
The anime could perfectly implies that Satoru and Kayo could be together at long term. Yes. This is for all those: "But he's too old for her".
What would have happened if Satoru actually managed to survive? He would have lived all those years again? He would have traveled back to a different world where he is an adult and Kayo is also there?
Whatever the response, both scenarios grant Satoru and Kayo falling in love but "eventually". You're just too literal.
The series sold them together and that's why this ending pissed off so many people .
>>138924897
this is probably the most succinct summary of this show. it was one of the best anime ive seen for the first eight episodes, and then the last four fucked up so badly.
>>138925221
>it was one of the best anime ive seen for the first eight episodes
So the people mad about this shit are the kind of MALfags who picked up a decent anime and convinced themselves they were watching a masterpiece? Makes sense.
>>138924923
>childhood romance
And this is why you read the manga first before watching.
It doesn't even exist, their friends were teasing them and it's not equal to them having relationship.
If anything, Satoru treats Kayo as a little sister figure that he needs to save.
He is obsessing over how to protect kayo and bring down the criminal.
Anyone who reads the manga will agree that Satoru is too obsessed with justice to even think about romance.
>>138920647
Sounds like you're retarded.
Dude was 29 years old mentally. Which he makes a point of reminding himself.
She only knew him for like a couple of weeks. Why the fuck would she throw her life away for him?
And it didn't bother him at all, so I don't see why people keep pushing "muh NTR". Fuck he didn't care that he may never see her again when she moved.
Literally worse than the faggots mad at Broccoli and the chick from Onani master
>>138924659
An apt observation. Maybe if you looked at every other post you'd find out why people thought the execution was shit. This shit has been going on for literally days and people have explained reasons for this that wasn't "muh NTR". But no one gives a damn about those reasons, because strawmanning them into being butthurt Kayofags is so much easier than using half a brain to take it in.
However, it's also been a few days, and nobody has written a "why the execution was good". All people do is accuse people of self-inserting and telling people that "the romance was all in your head".
>>138925373
>Fuck he's right I can't think of a reason for it other than muh NTR, better ramble on about hey they exist somewhere and deflect
>>138925009
You don't "wake up" from a coma that long without significant neurological damage, they would barely be able to function, they would be bed-ridden for the rest of their lives due to atrophied muscles. The only reason it could happen in this story is because it's fiction.
I bet Hiromi was relishing in the fact that he had successfully claimed Kayo as his own as her came inside her.
>>138925454
All I'm saying is that if I got out of a coma I'd be grateful for someone looking after me, not bad that they'd been so cruel as to not kill me.
>>138925158
Endless hints? Besides what you mentioned, which isn't really romantic at all, at one point Satoru gets embarrassed in front of her. They give each other birthday gifts. Are those the type of things that explicitly lead to romance? Of course not. You can read too far into whatever you want but that doesn't make it a romantic relationship.
>>138925158
Are you kidding me? Do you even read the manga?
Satoru never even thought about romance at all because he went through a few loops to save her.
She's the key to his puzzle. She's dead a few times and it's a problem for him.
He needs Kayo by his side since it's the safest place and he's determined to save her for the nth time.
Why are you so obsessed on finding romance to justify your so called NTR anyways? Most people I know of didn't even think about it in the first place
>>138923380
>Any examples?
Off the top of my head without re-watching:
>Time travelling ability, chalked up to 'Save my mom' even though he acquires it way before she's in danger, and over a decade after murder incidents.
>Mother's murder, neighbor coincidentally finds him in a suspicious position and thinks he murdered her
>His first idea is to run from the police.
>Luckily she wrote down her old contact on a scrap paper before getting murdered, which Satoru luckily pockets.
>KENYA
>Chocolate bar
>Airi's instant housefire
>Murderer using their hideout as storage, what a coincidence, doesn't even notice it's used even though he's been there.
>Yuuki's dad's truck coincidentally passing by outside.
>Can't get out of rigged seatbelt, still gets out somehow and is found before dying. In the middle of nowhere.
>15 Year coma.
It's been a comfy 9-episode watch but that's it, there really is nothing going for it except one man's plight to save muh mom and Kayo, it's not exceptional, the writing is terrible, your taste is shit.
>>138925424
Thats more than gold
>>138925323>
I just said that he never had any romantic interest in anyone in the first sentence. Also I read the manga, Satoru and Kayo's relationship was presented as a childhood romance. Little sister figure? The guy was embarrassed just by her touching his hand, and the that scene where the foxes circle around them made it clear what kind of relationship the story wanted to show they had.
>>138925424
hinazuki look like a dude wtf
the author can't draw shit
>>138925507
You wouldn't understand enough to be grateful, you would be a sentient vegetable wondering what all the noises and sights were.
>>138925204
>The series sold them together and that's why this ending pissed off so many people .
No the producers and merchandise did, the content of the anime did not at any time imply he cared for her romantically.
>>138920833
I'm pretty sure it's like if you let someone else fuck your bitch.
>>138925510
>which isn't really romantic at all
Are you a harem MC?
>>138925510
theres more evidence that they have romantic feelings for each other than there is evidence that they dont
how about the fact that he reminds himself, several times, that hes actually 29 and he shouldnt be embarrassed around her? his narration at one point even says something about his pubescent body having an effect on the way he thinks
theres more hints for them having romantic feelings for each other than there are hints for him and airi, the "accepted" couple, having romantic feelings for each other.
youre either a troll or an autist to think otherwise. im leaning towards both
/a/'s been sounding like a fucking cuckoo clock for days now
>>138920647
you should try not to be a shipperfag
>>138925579
I don't think you know what a plot hole is anon.
>Time travel show
>Time travel is possible
>Plot hole
>Killer who frames other people for crimes
>Kills a woman
>Frames his son
>Plot hole
etcetc
>>138924462
>my opinion is the same as everyone else's in my age group
Fuck off. Children are shit, I'm 33.
>>138925777
Good job, you missed the part about shitty plot devices that's explained by
>Just because.
Etcetc.
>>138924517
>If you disagree with me you're immature
How are both sides of this conflict so cancer?
>>138925929
>WhereDoYouThinkWereAt?.jpg
>>138925648
C'mon, he said to her she was beautiful, the whole classroom shipped them, he blushed every time he went too close to her, they went to a really romantic date below the tree and the stars with those two foxes, he eventually took her hand, they had both their birthdays in the SAME fucking day (you could choose any day, but no, the same), almost as if it'd destined.
I mean, you can't deny this is not particularly romantic, but, It implies a possible future relationship. That's why a I mean with "romantic" but not during the course of the series.
>>138925579
>>Time travelling ability, chalked up to 'Save my mom' even though he acquires it way before she's in danger, and over a decade after murder incidents.
How the hell is that a plot hole or poor plot device? Are you actually stupid?
>>Mother's murder, neighbor coincidentally finds him in a suspicious position and thinks he murdered her
Doesn't matter the killer called the cops and they were there before she even got down the steps. If it wasn't her it'd be them
>>His first idea is to run from the police.
People do retarded shit when they panic, but a fair point.
>>Luckily she wrote down her old contact on a scrap paper before getting murdered, which Satoru luckily pockets.
>KENYA
>Chocolate bar
Really grasping for straws, it's hilarious how you think your opinion matters when these are your examples.
>Airi's instant housefire
Easily explainable
>Yuuki's dad's truck coincidentally passing by outside.
He called him for the Bentos
>>Can't get out of rigged seatbelt, still gets out somehow and is found before dying. In the middle of nowh
wot
>>15 Year coma.
welcome to the world of fiction
To sum it all up you're incredibly stupid and can't even dissect an anime properly for shitposting purposes.
If you have read the author's other works, you can easily see that Airi is like his template design for a MC's lover though.
>>138926081
>Are you actually stupid?
>Really grasping for straws, it's hilarious how you think your opinion matters when these are your examples.
>Easily explainable
Yeah, instant housefire and he sends her a text just before, no problem.
>wot
>welcome to the world of fiction
It's called bad writing.
>To sum it all up you're incredibly stupid and can't even dissect an anime properly for shitposting purposes.
3 ad hominem attacks without defending those points, but I can't blame you since you can't fix bad writing.
>>138925579
>>Time travelling ability, chalked up to 'Save my mom' even though he acquires it way before she's in danger, and over a decade after murder incidents.
Has no control over it, he only knows it takes him back a few moments; it's not as much time travel power as it is a framing device for the plot; the guy can't even trigger it himself and abuse it.
>>Mother's murder, neighbor coincidentally finds him in a suspicious position and thinks he murdered her
>Animeonlyfag
>>His first idea is to run from the police.
>Not knowing how the Japanese justice system operates.
>>Luckily she wrote down her old contact on a scrap paper before getting murdered, which Satoru luckily pockets.
>Plothole
>KENYA
Ken'ya is precociously smart and wants to be a lawyer like his dad; that kid is one of those "Ace detectives" that pop up some times in series. Think actual genius versus a 29 year old in the body of a child.
>>Chocolate bar
>Implying it can actually be all boiled down to a single chocolate bar.
>Airi's instant housefire
Seriously?
>Murderer using their hideout as storage, what a coincidence, doesn't even notice it's used even though he's been there.
>Yuuki's dad's truck coincidentally passing by outside.
You must be retarded. Was this bait all along? that wasn't their hideout you idiot, they never used it before; it was said right fucking there, it's used as storage space for the school's sports team.
The murderer set it up, he called in the delivery so that he would be at the scene when needed.
>>Can't get out of rigged seatbelt, still gets out somehow and is found before dying. In the middle of nowhere.
>Kid actually managing to unstuck broken seatbelt.
Did you even watch the damn thing? He didn't get out, it took a passerby to see the car and dive in to get him out; she had to cut the seatbelt.
>>15 Year coma.
>Implying that's a new concept.
You don't even know what a plot hole is, and you're out here embarrassing yourself.
>>138925929
>implying I'm implying my irl friends to be immature
>when they're most likely more mature than you are
I'm genuinely curious about their stance on the whole thing and this meme has gone for a long time in /a/ so I scooped up some questions and asked them one by one.
Graduate students don't really care about the romance aspect while uni freshmen are the more vocal ones about the whole kayo thing.
Before you start projecting, age is just a number and the most vocal kayofag within my circles just turned 32.
The most common answer from them was, "they're supposed to be together"
>>138926281
>Yeah, instant housefire and he sends her a text just before, no problem.
Right he can't start the fire then send her a text. Do they not have gasoline in whatever thirdworld country you're from?
>vet jogging by and saving him from the vehicle
Coincidences happen all the time in just about every work of fiction and they're often used to progress the story.
But I guess this low level of shitposting is the best you can do.
>>138925871
>Time travel in a time travel story
>Shitty plot device
>Serial killer in a serial killer story
>Shitty plot device
Kayofag logic.
I don't know if I should find it sad or hilarious that this series is going to be remembered as "Cuck: The Animation" from now on.
>>138926845
I don't think this story wouldn't have become immortal without this shitstorm, sadly.
>>138926542
>>138926596
>>138926723
>Not knowing how the Japanese justice system operates.
Then how are they going to catch the killer???
>Luckily she wrote down her old contact on a scrap paper before getting murdered, which Satoru luckily pockets.
>Plothole
When you have so many coincidences in one show it's called bad writing.
>Implying it can actually be all boiled down to a single chocolate bar.
Muh jap pride, muh shit backstory.
>Seriously?
>Right he can't start the fire then send her a text. Do they not have gasoline in whatever thirdworld country you're from?
No fire, reads text, entire house on fire and BTFO all in 1 anime minute.
>You must be retarded. Was this bait all along? that wasn't their hideout you idiot, they never used it before; it was said right fucking there, it's used as storage space for the school's sports team.
I referred to it as their hideout, for Kayo, do I really need to spell it all out for you?
>Ken'ya is precociously smart and wants to be a lawyer like his dad; that kid is one of those "Ace detectives" that pop up some times in series. Think actual genius versus a 29 year old in the body of a child.
>The murderer set it up, he called in the delivery so that he would be at the scene when needed.
Good, now do those for the other points.
>Did you even watch the damn thing? He didn't get out, it took a passerby to see the car and dive in to get him out; she had to cut the seatbelt.
>vet jogging by and saving him from the vehicle
No I didn't read the source material, I'm sure there's easier ways to hurt myself.
>Implying that's a new concept.
>You don't even know what a plot hole is, and you're out here embarrassing yourself.
Ayy shitty plot devices, although I don't understand why, I do find it fulfilling how hard you try to defend this shit. Shit is shit just saying, a sentiment that's shared everywhere else.
>>138922121
kek
Reminder that EVERYONE Satocuck saved in original timeline are dead in the new timeline.
REVIVAL is an convenient asspull.
Airi was ERASED from the anime.
There's more and more of plot holes and shit writing.
Why there's still people defending this mediocre garbage?
>>138921425
underrated post
>Perfectly adjusted human being tier
Believes the author went full retard with the coma and understands Kayo shouldn't wait 15 years or more for Satoru. Kayo showing up with her child to a 11 yo kid whose last memories were them being a couple AND the father being the fucking trap was retarded as well.
Would be okay if Kayo was married to an unknown guy or just single in that moment.
>Unrealistic expectations tier
Believes Kayo should be obsessed with Satoru forever and wait decades for him.
>Cuck tier
Is okay with Hiromi and Kayo NTRing Satoru.
I refuse to believe anyone actually think that Satoru ended up as a cuck but that might entirely be because the manga seemingly construed his intentions or whatever.
I feel like they didn't show just how happy he was to see Kayo alive and well.
>>138928448
Being mad at the coma is perfectly reasonable, thinking Kayo "cheated" on him is not because they weren't in an established relationship and they were only friends for a few weeks before he got sensei'd. Kayo getting with Hiromi is reasonable from both a logical standpoint, because they would have seen each other when visiting the hospital, and from a thematic standpoint because Satoru saved both of their lives and they created a new life together. Kayo was showing Satoru her baby because she was able to get away from her abusive family and raise a happy family of her own thanks in part to his efforts, anime fucked up his reaction but it was clear how much it positively touched him in the manga even if he didn't understand why at the time.
>>138920841
The show foreshadowed Satoru winding up with Airi, (The girl that was alive in the original timeline.) which is what happened.
The ex-dead people paired off to prevent damage to the timeline.
Everybody screaming "cuck" and "NTR" in these threads is a NaruSaku faggot.
They said it would be good...
> Aoi Yuuki in cast
> Yuki Kajiura doing music
> Whole load of other things
Were you still satisfied?
>>138928448
>Believes the author went full retard with the coma
And this is the hard bit. The narrative needs something drastic to happen to Satoru otherwise "Revival" is a power with no drawbacks, a big jump in time should translate in a huge punishment for the mc. I blame the execution though, as a viewer i felt cheated after spending so much time on Kayo the conclusion so far felt very lacking, specially after that pseudo deus ex machina with the grandmother.
>>138920647
Why nobody care about his mom? He literally ruined her life and nobody give a shit, she was better off death.
>>138929631
This is one of the many problems with the coma. Mom never got be a parent and went through hell in those 15 years of taking care of him.
>>138929544
>that pseudo deus ex machina with the grandmother
How is that a DeM?
>Kayo goes to live with her grandmother
>Kayo is taken by jap social services and goes to live with a foster family
Literally makes no difference to the viewer.
>>138926547
Simple Emotional IQ and maturity, most freshmen uni brats act like they're the shit once making into college. While in reality majority of them simple don't have the life experience about these sorts of scenarios.
Also the whole self insert thingy and wish fulfillment.
>>138925424
Holy shit well played.
>>138922003
wtf is ESL?
>>138929686
Because that was pulled out of nowhere, we didn't even knew Kayo had a granny and she was used as a plot devise to make the abusive mother let the social services take her daughter away from her, solving the problem all of the sudden. I believe that's poor storytelling.
>>138921177
delete this
>>138929631
I'm pretty sure she would rather take care of her comatose son than get killed.
I can't tell who's trolling who anymore.
I know half of the NTR bait is crossboarders.
I know half of the shipperfaggotry is bait.
But I don't know if there are actual people who think it is inappropriate for Kayo to give up on the guy who's been in a coma for fifteen years. Are there people who are that delusional?
She moved on with her life. That's both understandable and justifiable. It'd be worse if she hadn't.
>>138930063
>15 years of a perfectly normal life full of new experiences and meeting new people
>15 years of being a filthy slave
Yeah sure.
>>138930276
>anyone who doesn't agree with me is a crossboarder/from reddit meme
Seriously though, both sides are probably crossboarders, anon. As for your question probably I think it would've been romantic, I guess, would anyone complain if she had? That said I don't care nor did I even watch this shitty show so who really cares what I think.
>>138931066
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>>138930276
You know shit
>>138921401
>taco burrito
>>138930752
I'm sorry that your mother didn't love you enough anon.
>>138931066
>would anyone complain if she had?
I would have complained. It would completely invalidate his sacrifice if she threw away her life just to wait for him.
>all this kayofags defense force
Just because it can be rationalized doesn't mean it's acceptable. I mean, a bunch of mass shooting can be explained by the perpetrators being horrible human beings, does that mean it's acceptable? What the author did was betraying the expectation that he set out for the audience, Kayo and Satoru childhood romance is the focus and the only selling point of the show because everything else was so fucking shit, and he still managed to fuck it up in the end. Just irredeemable shit, really.
>>138931370
She wouldn't have killed herself, dude. She would just have to work on her career or whatever for 15 years like 90% of nips do anyway. How do feel his sacrifice would've been in vain if she hadn't married a guy? This is why I say both sides are cancerous idiots. Then again I didn't watch the anime or read the manga. But I'm pretty sure her womb won't unless explode if a nigger blasts in there.
>>138929962
You really think the social services wouldn't have been able to take her away otherwise? It just changes who she goes to, which makes pretty much no difference. It's not a DEM because it solves a problem that would have been solved anyway.
>>138929801
Electronic Sports League
>>138929431
>The ex-dead people paired off to prevent damage to the timeline.
Are you serious? There's no fucking rules for time travelling in the series, not a single explanation for the cause, the mechanics, the effects, just fucking nothing. Stop trying to pull things out of your ass.
>Narutard
That explains it, you can fuck off now.
>>138922998
>He gave 0 shits about Hiromi until after Kayo was gone, barely remembered him even though he was in his friendship group.
Hiromi dying was the reason MC became so fucked up in the manga.
>>138921401
Trump?
TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMPPPPPPP
>>138931617
You're presuming they were expecting him to wake up. From their perspective, she would be putting her life on hold indefinitely for a guy who has basically no chance for recovery, who would be mentally 11 years old as far as she knows, and whom she only knew for a few weeks when she was a kid. Even if he wakes up after all that time, that's not a mentally healthy thing to do, and romanticizing it would be fucking dumb.
>>138924322
never noticed the hand in the bus window until today
>>138925158
>Yashiro: Kayo will be taken away and you won't be able to see her again, you ok with that?
>Satoru: Yeah i don't care.
Also in the farewell scene satoru just watches her go, shortly after he realizes that he's never seeing kayo again and tries to chase the car, then he stops unsure about his feelings and yet he doesn't cry, even if he has been shown crying in several equally emotional situations.
>>138921607
hahaha holy shit is this real? this author is a fucking legend
>people defending this rubbish plot twist
Not even a Kayofag, but this 15 year timeskip is braindead shit. Airi while way cuter and a better girl, is irrelevant. Mom is the best girl. But the story has just gone full retard with this coma crap
Is Satoru the biggest cuckold in history?
>>138921607
What kind of jap name is Atko?
>>138935855
Guts also gets cucked pretty hard.
>>138933186
Typically when people go into a coma their loved ones expect them to wake up. Plus being single until at like 26 is pretty normal in Japan and most people don't have an excuse for it. And from what I've seen nothing about his coma has been realistic so bringing up realism now is null. Although again my knowledge is limited and I don't think she was in the wrong for doing what she did. I'm just saying if she HAD waited no one would've complained or even batted an eyelash.
>>138920647
>metal gear memes
>"cuck"
/v/ermins shitting up /a/ with "cuck" memes confirmed. Hiro should re-add the cuck filter on /a/ again.
>>138936104
The cuck meme truly has killed 4chan.
>>138936148
>18 people say cuck
>this is the worst thing to happen on 4chin!
>>138936104
hiroshima is afraid of backlash for limiting freedom of speech again, enjoy your cucks.
These threads about "cuck"... it reminds me of Kimi ga nozomu eien era where "cuck" is not invented yet. Except most of the /a/non back then agreed that Haruka is deserved that.
Oh god, i'm old.
>>138935815
Bless you
The only person I can self-insert as is based KENYA
>>138936681
Kenya is gay and will win the Satobowl
>>138923591
>implying satorus development from only caring about his mom to actually caring about kayo and the other victims wasnt half the point of the show
>talking about facebook on /a/
anon you just fucked up hard
Kayo has brown hair
Hiromi has black hair
Baby has blonde(ish) hair
KAYO FUCKED KENYA
>>138920647
>Satoru's goal was to go back and save Kayo, which in turn would save his mom
>Achieved exactly that, despite the whole coma thing
>"LOL HOLY FUCK THIS FAGGOT GOT KEKED"
Nah, you got cucked, retard. There was no romance to this.
>Th-they held hands.
Fuck off.
>>138935815
Reward for least autistic poster in this thread
>>138935815>>138936787
"No romance to this"
Is this what bait is called
>>138936727
They deserve each other. Bros before hoes.
>>138936787
He fell in love with her in the process, that was obviously not his first goal since he haven't even met her up to that point.
>>138936077
>Typically when people go into a coma their loved ones expect them to wake up.
That possibility shrinks significantly with time. We are talking about an 18 year long coma here, that's longer than what her age was when she even met him. How long do you expect her to wait before she can move on and make a family instead of pinning her hopes on a vegetable she barely knew? And you are conveniently ignoring that she would expect him to have an 11 year-old mind when he woke up while she would be an adult, and that she only knew him for a few weeks and they were not even officially a couple.
>And from what I've seen nothing about his coma has been realistic so bringing up realism now is null
Because it's bad fucking writing. Are you saying that because shitty writing is present in the story that we shouldn't be upset if there was other shitty writing?
Maybe you should try actually familiarizing yourself with the material before attempting to make an uninformed argument.
>>138923665
>It is a meme, for the most part anyway. People shitpost by acting intentionally retarded because it entertains them and gets them attention. The problem is that actual retards browse the boards, see shitposts and think they're real opinions, then they feel validated because they think it means other people share their views.
Universal truism.
>>138936850
The "bro" didn't stop his love interest from fucking THEIR MUTUAL FRIEND WHO HAD HIS LIFE SAVED despite apparently knowing he would wake up eventually.
>>138937071
We have no idea when Kayo and Hiromi even happend, maybe Kenya did do something maybe he didn't maybe he didn't even know before it was too late. Blame the 15 year coma
>>138920647
>>138924394
What you were expecting quality posting for an Aniplex show?
I just can't take discussion of this series seriously because people throw the word "cuck" at everything making most of the threads useless regarding the recent events. overusing memes sure is dangerous. since most of you retards are now using them to justify anything. and this shitty manierism is spreading across all the other boards
>>138936921
>He fell in love with her in the process
[citation needed]
>He said she was pretty
>They held hands
>My opinion is that these kids were in love!
Can't use these as proof either.
>>138937351
He couldn't admit it because he was actually a 29 years old man.
Would you visit a friend that just woke up from a 15 years coma /a/?
>>138937432
If it's a very close friend who saved my life, probably, yeah.
Kayo still went to go visit the tree in the summer.
Fuck my heart can't handle this
>>138937071
Kayo isn't an item that Satoru owned. For all we know, she initiated their relationship.
>>138937432
Depends on how strong our relationship was when the coma happened.
>>138936632
Haruka was shit. In fact they were all pretty shit.
KimiNozo was actually good though.
>>138925857
Why are you so bitter, ojii-san?
>>138921210
And save his mom for what? To live pay check to pay check supporting her son that (if it weren't for an extraordinary case like this) probably never will wake up? Living like that for 15 years must have been hell. Like you said, Kayo was secondary objective. He wanted to save his mom and be a "hero" as he puts it. Would a hero say that the life of one person is more valuable than another? I feel like the author completely forgot about what happened with all the people he saved with his power before he went comatose.or maybe I'm being over analytical over it?
Either way, I'm with OP on this, it hit harder than I thought it would.
Also, pic unrelated.
>>138937325
Its a shame too, because this series has problems that you can't talk about without being called a "self inserting faggot"
>>138939403
The only reason you would be called that is if you're a delusional NTRfag or shipping cancer. Legitimate criticisms about stuff like the coma, the shitty mystery, bad characterization, wasted potential, the seatbelt, the goddamn chocolate bar, etc. are all fair game.
If the story happened exactly the same way it did, but with Satoru waking up to Kayo still being single, and them beginning a romantic relationship, absolutely no one would be saying "Whew this came out of nowhere. I really expected her to get together with Hiromi instead." Before you fuckers accuse me of self-insertion or any shit like that: I prefer Airi to Kayo. I'm just not a fucking idiot, unlike the mangaka and the studio.
>>138939976
It would be even more stupid than the coma alone, see:
>>138931370
>>138933186
>>138936970
Best decision would be to nix the coma entirely and resolve the drama with the killer in 1988 somehow.
>>138940134
I agree on that last part. However, she doesn't need to "wait for him" for her to be single at the age of 25/26. "I haven't found the right guy (for a variety of perfectly reasonable reasons, including being abused as a child and my first love being nearly killed over it)" is a lot more acceptable than the romantic interest hints coming to naught.
>>138940134
Hell, even the coma is fine. Just make it five or six years instead of fifteen.
