Whats the final consensus on Kaguya as the final villain?
One of the dumber things I've seen as far as plot twists, but who was expecting anything good to come from Naruto anyway? People need to stop getting surprised by bad manga being bad.
Even though I firmly believe she was hinted at since the beginning of the series, the way she actually arrived was just so fucking stupid.
That being said, she did have a cool theme, her appearance was an enormous "wtf" moment, and the final battle with her was pretty fun overall.
7.5/10
>>136241808
Literally a JRPG-tier final boss that just spawns after you apparently beat what you thought was supposed to be the final boss,because the developers wanted to give you the middle finger.
>>136241808
Same consensus as when it happened, it was awful in every way. Even though she was obviously way more powerful than Madara, he still *felt* more powerful, and her powerlevel was literally the only thing she had over Madara; he was a better fit for the final villian in literally every way.
The shoehorned origin myth they gave us 15 chapters before Zetsu killed Madara still doesn't and never will count as foreshadowing.
I don't even know if calling her an asspull is fair, since asspulls are supposed to be when the writer writes themselves into a corner and have to write in something new they just thought of to escape the situation. There was no such situation, Kishi scrapped Madara for no reason just to shit Kaguya all over the script. She's a whole magnitude worse than an asspull.
Reverse harem jutsu was at least the second best part of the entire war arc which lasted years, so, eh.
>>136243219
>Even though I firmly believe she was hinted at since the beginning of the series
Try to explain your delusions to us.
>>136241808
If she was mentioned earlier then it would be quite better. And without Pink hitting her in the head to seal her.
But damn, that page and her entire design made me diamonds.
If I were Sasque I would just go and fuck her in the castles of those alt dimensions. Problem solved, with a bonus of clan revival in best way possible.
>>136243270
Is that you Necron?
>>136243219
Kaguya was never hinted from the beginning. You're thinking of Madara.
>>136241808
It would have been great if Naruto beat her with the Reverse Harem no Jutsu.
But because he didn't it was a shitty final boss.
>>136243306
>>136243281
Kaguya was hinted ever since the beginning when they said that the Sharingan evolved from the Byakugan.
She was also hinted all the way from Kimimaro.
>>136241808
Kaguya was the only way Madara could have been defeated after getting so OP.
It was still retarded af.
>>136243321
Kimimaro is just a character that appeared in during the arc where the kids try to get Saskue back. From chapter 200 to 230ish, 2009. Then Kaguya and her son is introduced 5 years later near the end of the manga. You honestly believe Kishi created Kimimaro and had planned out Kaguya, her sons and Naruto origin, only to mention it 450 chapters later?
Kishi made it up along the way imo. And provide chapter source on when it says Sharingan evolved from Byakugan in the beginning of the manga.
>>136241808
Fuck off Narutard spammer.
>>136241808
That scene made me think she doesn't fight but nigger zetsu forcing/brainwashing her to
>>136243321
That's not a hint towards her. If they had talkeb about some bunny-alien/god then we're talking, but that didn't happen if I recall.
>>136243321
Those aren't hints, that's called writing a character backwards into the story, Kubo's famous for it in Bleach. The author picks up a bunch of tidbits and details that he wrote years ago and creates something new from them. It's hinting at something if the details are actually, literally hinting at Kaguya herself when they're introduced in the series. Kimimaro had nothing to do with Kaguya or anything else at all when he was introduced, and any relation between his clan and Kaguya is only up to fan speculation.
Sharingan being an evolved form of the Byakugan was just yet another way of hyping up the Sharingan, as well as explaining the two dojutsu's similarities in seeing chakra flows.
If the origin story was actually mentioned at any time in the 650+ chapters before the Sage's infodump and Kaguya's introduction proper, that would have at least been a bit of hinting, even if it was only mentioned in passing in the background.
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>>136243715
>provide chapter source on when it says Sharingan evolved from Byakugan in the beginning of the manga
I hope you're happy for making me waste 15m of my life for you, anon. Chapter 78, asshole.
>>136243971
hyping up the Byakugan*
As proven by >>136244016
After carefully absorbing and chewing on these recent developments, I cannot help but wonderwhy are people still reading this tripe? _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________seriously.
>>136241808
Just an excuse from Kishi to get rid of Madara somehow.
>>136243321
That's not how it works. The only thing that even remotely "hints" towards her is being the fucking Moon Bunny which is a staple of eastern legends.
How the moon was present since early on in the manga, constantly shown. It wouldn't be a manga with eastern folklore, culture and legends without the moon rabbit. But I'm certain not even that counts as hint.
>>136241961
>not even trying to analyse the manga
I kind of expected this since The Sage shoulda banged somoene to come up with two sons.
>>136244099
>That's not how it works
Because you say so, right?
>>136243971
>Those aren't hints
Because you say so?
>the author picks up a bunch of abloobloobloo
That is some serious reaching.
>>136243818
>That's not a hint towards her
Because you say so?
>>136243715
>You honestly believe Kishi created Kimimaro and had planned out Kaguya, her sons and Naruto origin, only to mention it 450 chapters later?
Um yes. That's how subtle hints work.
>imo
Yes, I know. You have no real points, just opinions.
>>136241808
pointless, utterly pointless, like she made no real impact on the series at all. You could literally just have had Naruto and Sauce fight Madara and there's absolutely no difference.
>>136244169
Hints have to actually, you know, hint at something.
Explain how, without knowing about Kaguya after her reveal, the sharingan/byakugan quip and Kimimaro hint at Kaguya being the final boss. Please.
>>136244291
>the sharingan/byakugan quip and Kimimaro hint at Kaguya being the final boss
The Sharingan/Byakugan line was the subject of much speculation all the way up to Kaguya's reveal.
Kimimaro nobody could have guessed.
>>136241808
Kishi wrote himself into a corner with Madara so he decided to pull Kaguya out of his ass.
She was shit.
>>136243306
You're thinking of Obito
>>136243219
>Even though I firmly believe she was hinted at since the beginning of the series
Are we reading the same manga? kek
>>136243316
>This
>>136244203
Fighting Madara wouldn't have made no difference, it would have been better in every way. Madara had actually been built up as a character and villian for ages, he was fun as fuck, with motivations that were completely understandable, a key intimidation factor, and he had just spent the last I-don't-even-care-enough-to-count-how-many chapters one-sidedly kicking the asses of almost EVERY NINJA IN THE WORLD AT THE SAME TIME. There's a reason the "is X stronger than Madara Uchiha" meme was spawned, Madara was built up as overpowered shit for wayyy too long, and just when you though he was more than strong enough, Kishi would throw him another hax powerup.
And against all belief, Naruto and Sasuke were actually starting to make headway against him, and BAM, he jobs in the most unclimatic, unimpressive way, by Zetsu of all fucking people stabbing him through the chest.
Madara was a pretty great final villian, despite, or perhaps because of, how ridiculous and stupidly written his powerlevel was.
Kishimoto took the villian he'd been building up for however many arcs out of the story at a climatic moment for absolutely no concievable reason to replace him with a new character that we'd only gotten hinted at 15~ chapters ago.
Kishu actually tried to foreshadow it but it was just way too late in the series for it to not feel forced.
Also, I wouldn't have minded it if she wasnt used as an excuse to get rid of Madara
>>136244355
>was the subject of much speculation
That is just simply not true, although I invite you to link me to some prehistoric forum threads discussing theories about that to prove me wrong.
Regardless though, I fail to see how that proves it was hinting at Kaguya. You don't seem to understand. Hints don't work backwards. If those were real hints at Kaguya's existence and final boss status, readers would have been able to extrapolate from those "hints" that there was a moon-princess Kaguya that is practically God and literally the progenitor of chakra and therefore all ninja in the world, and that she was going to end up being the final boss. Which is simply impossible to take away from "oh yeah, by the way the Sharingan evolved from the Byakugan so they're kinda similar, but the Byakugan is strictly stronger". Keep in mind that in this arc at this moment they're trying to build up Neji as an antagonist, and a powerful ninja, so Kishimoto threw in some flavour text to spice up the world he's creating, but the main purpose of the dialogue is to hype up Neji's strength. The strongest Genin-level character we know of is Sasuke, who is a Sharingan user. And the strongest character we've seen in action (so excluding Hokage etc) is Kakashi, whose whole trick is using the Sharingan to copy the opponent's moves back at them quicker than they can cast them. So to say that Neji has an eye jutsu that's strictly stronger than the Sharingan is so obviously only said in the first place to hype up Neji that I'm amazed I have to explain that's the purpose of the line in the first place.
I would also like to point out that even slightly suggesting the Byakugan is better than the Sharingan is so laughable that it makes Kakashi look like the biggest retard in Naruto, which says a lot. Kishimoto obviously wasn't planning more than one or two arcs ahead, unless you're saying he planned for Kaguya but didn't plan anything about the Sharingan.
>>136241808
I just want to fuck her.
>>136244169
>posting like this
And you wonder why people hate Narutards here.
Naruto ended with the best fight possible, Rock Lee VS Gara. The victory of the former over the later is not unsuspected but it's still a surprise, a sad one, but sad ending are good too. Naruto was trully a good shonen to bad they canceled it after that fight because it was just too good.
I heard some dude made a very long doujin of naruto after that, the plot is that Sasuke decide to follow Orochimaru or something... Not very relevant tho'.
>>136241808
Idea ok, execution embarrassingly poor. 2/10
This honestly was the worst asspull
>hype Madara as this ultimate big bad villain and fucking tip toe about whether hes still alive
>actually turned out to be alive and delivers the hype
>fucking sweeps in and rekt normies using taijutsu
>faced all the juubis and the entire ninja alliance while fucking blind
>while fucking blind
>btfo hashirama
>become a literal god
>out of fucking nowhere pop this fucking bitch nobody really cared about
>madara is gone
>naruto is reviving people left and right with a hand shake
>sasuke got a new tatoo
what the fuck
>>136246102
he could see better without eyes than with normal sight desu
>>136246102
It was absolute bullshit, but at least Madara was fun.
>>136244016
i stand corrected then
>>136241808
She's a woman in Naruto so despite having ridiculous powers beyond the likes of anyone of course she was a failure.
>>136246777
Madara was just another shitty Uchiha with bullshit eyehax getting powerup after powerup pulled out his ass
>>136244016
Except it doesn't say that. Kakashi's just telling them a rumor, and it turned out to be wrong anyway. They were never the same thing, Kaguya just had both powers in separate eyes and one son started the Hyuuga while the other's kid started the Uchiha.
>>136246102
Madara being able to completely shrug off getting pingponged by all the tailbeasts at once was dumb.
>>136246844
Yeah, but if you hadn't learned to shut your brain off and enjoy stupidity by that point why were you reading Naruto?
Madara should've been the main villain he had more build up
>>136246945
This is retarded a retarded screencap.
Just jerking off to a villain sue because he was overpowered and acting like that was somehow writing of good quality.
>no matter the plot armor or asspull
As if Madara wasn't chockfull of that shit?
Expected GOAT milf doujin.
Got nothing.
And that is how the "can anyone even beat Madara Uchiha?" he was so strong that the creator couldn't stop him and had to do some bullshit.
>>136247123
But anon,she's a rabbit not a goat
>>136241808
>Beginning
>Just eyes that help user copy enemy's technics.
>Ending
>Reality warping eyes that can invoke a fucking god-skeleton.
>>136247100
At least Madara made the Manga enjoyable again. Him and Itachi shenannigans were the only reason to not drop it.
At this point no one cared about the story anymore. It was brought ad absurdum after the Pain Arc, and people were just riding the wild ride
>>136247193
>And that is how the "can anyone even beat Madara Uchiha?" meme ended*
>>136247193
Just like Araki Hirohiko
>>136247199
>Implying she isn't a rabbit Goat
>>136241808
8/10, would fuck.
>>136244712
I remember this
>kakashi all like "hey the byakugan is even stronger than my sharingan guys"
>suddenly sharingan could defy fate and reality
???
>>136247371
From what can be seen in manga it even topples Rinnegan.
>>136241808
Felt shoehorned as shit. A finale that felt written up in no more than 5 minutes. Then again why did I expect anything better than this piece of shit villain from Naruto anyway.
>>136247313
Pretty much this.
>>136244016
"They say" hints more toward speculation than anything else. That subject was never addressed otherwise. And given how aliens only got the byakugan, unless they eat a fruit/flower made of chakra protected by a chakra demon, I'll say the byakugan come from the moon peoples while the sharingan come from the fruit itself. Kaguya is the only alien to have a sharingan because she eat the fruit.
Remember Toad Sage powers, that stuff should have been end game not the direction the series went
>>136241808
Good character design, good back story, shit introduction into the story.
>>136245039
you actually took your time writing this?
>Byakugan evolved from Sharingan
this is the only part pissing me off.
the Byakugan is 100 times weaker than Sharingan so how did it even evolve from there? all you can do with those white eyes is see chakra flow
>>136252859
well they gave extra powers to Byakugan like space time jutsu and doing Hyuuga tenketsu with chakra networks n shit
>>136253500
byakugan doesn't have space time jutsu, that's mangekyou
>>136253500
but yeah that was the filler
>>136252859
Remember when all the Sharingan did was grant the ability to copy things you see, anticipate movements of your enemy, and discern illusions/genjutsu? It was actually fairly balanced with the Byakugan, which allowed users a 360 field of vision and the ability to see chakra. Then the Sharingan became more and more OP until the Byakugan became literal shit-tier by comparison. What the fuck, Kishi?
>>136253576
>anticipate movements
those with sharingan + lots of chakra could anticipate but only if the enemy was weak
>ability to copy things you see
i thought only kakashi could do it because his sharingan was unique
>>136247502
What exactly was Rinnegan without multiple bodies?
>>136253635
Sasuke copied Haku in the first arc, and Lee in the second. He also copied someone's hand movements during the Chunin exam.
>>136253683
Why didn't he copy Rasengan?
>>136241808
I'm just glad there is porn of her, so its ok
>>136253635
>i thought only kakashi could do it because his sharingan was unique
Anyone with sharingan can do it, it isn't so much of copying jutsu as it is mimicking the hand signs.
>>136253763
cant find anything on sadpanda
check your privilege
>>136253738
Can copy the physical movements but doesn't know the ninja magic part, or something like that. Don't ask me, ask Kishimoto.
>>136241808
If I were to recommend Naruto as a series to anyone I would tell them that they have to drop the series and never attempt to pick it back up again after chapter 450. Just assume the series ended there.
Likewise if anyone ever wanted to pick up Bleach I would tell them to drop the series after the Soul Society arc.
One Piece is a hit or miss. If you like it read the whole thing. If you don't like it then don't bother.
>>136253908
what even happens at chapter 450
i'd drop it when sasuke and nartuo fought at the hill and then departed
>>136253930
450 is the end of the pain arc.
It's when Naruto returns to the village after killing Nagato and is greeted by the entire village praising him as a hero.
>>136254024
>missing best Hokage
well aren't you some fucking Uchiha apologist
So the Boruto movie was ok. The family woes and chunin exam stuff was great, but the post exam stuff was kinda lame.
>>136254181
Tobirama was right in everything he said. I won't deny that. Regardless, one character won't redeem a series that turned to shit and never recovered.
>>136244169
Fucking /a/. Always with the "except you're wrong" bullshit responses. How is this even an argument?
>They are hints
Because you say so?
See? It's easy to put in absolutely no effort and pretend I've made a valid point. Saying it multiple times doesn't make it any more substantial.
As for an actual contribution to this mess, several others mentioned previously that the author likely wrote the character in to match up with previously established facts as to justify her existence, rather than drop hints over the course of a decade as if it were all planned out. This is more than likely, given the nature of these long-running shonen stories. It's incredibly unlikely that the final encounter came about as intended, even if it did previously exist as a concept. I say this simply because of the insane investment on the part of Madara's character. If anything, it feels like Kaguya came in just to get him out of the picture.
Of course, no one can actually prove this. We didn't write this shit. I simply feel that you're giving the author far too much credit in this, given the track record that we've seen in Naruto as a whole.
>>136254479
I remember reading the busou renkin mangaka notes at the end of every volume and being shocked at how half assed the whole planning ahead process is even for reputable mangakas. They live and die with every publication, not knowing whether they'll get to draw the next chapter. "You're only as good as your last job" holds doubly true for the poor bastards.
>>136243321
The Sharingan doesn't evolve from the Byakugan.
They both come from Kaguya, but the sharingan comes from her God eye that she unlocked after eating the chakra fruit and the byakugan are her regular ayylien eyes.
>>136254718
On the other hand, it makes it all the more satisfying when you read competently written manga.
>>136247019
He was foreshadowed since the first Naruto/Sasuke fight and was hyped up throughout nearly all of part 2.
>>136252859
Evolving it's a good thing.
Homo Sapiens >>>>> Neanderthals
The wind demon from inuyasha turned out to be the final boss? Color me suprised. She wanted to be stronger than naraku but kept being 3rd wheel. Until she had enough.
>>136247371
Kakashi never said that the byakugan was stronger, just that it had better insight abilities.
Kakashi himself, Orochimaru, all the rookies and everyone in the village always said that the Uchiha were by far the strongest clan when they were alive, which is an indirect way of saying that the sharingan was the better eyehax.
>>136241808
>>136241808
Pretty cute.
>>136252859
It didn't though. The Byakugan is just alien eyes. While the Sharigan came from a fucking tree fruit.
Have you been watching retarded filler again?
Orochimaru should have been the final villain, absorbing Madara's body just as he was about to be defeated by Ninja Jesus and his lover.
>>136255581
>Orochimaru should have been the final villain
There is still time
>>136255430
edgy asI like it
>>136253738
No wind Chakra.
>>136253738
Wasn't as edgy as Chidori.
>>136241808
>Naruto and Sasuke are both descended from Hagoromo and each have half of his powers
>Kaguya is reminded of Hagoromo and his brother while fighting Naruto and Sasuke
That parallel never made much sense, the original legend should have been Indra and Ashura fighting together to stop their grandma.
>>136253738
Kakashi did it, but he chose to stick to using chidori
>>136256079
Does Hinata still have Hamura's chakra? Could she get the Tenseigen if she really wanted to?
>>136256930
If she didn't get it in the movie, she is not going to get it now that she is just a housewife.
>>136252859
Actually it's also a telescope (like Hinata was able to look 7, i think it was, miles around her) makes you see through objects, discern clones and chakra color and automatic defense against genjutsu.
>>136257605
>discern clones
It can't tell a clone from the original, Neji couldn't do it, only sharingan can do that.
>automatic defense against genjutsu.
Not really, Hinata still fell into one in the Last.
I wanted to stack my painus in her vergina
>>136256128
He learned rasengan before getting the Sharigan though.
>>136257966
Sharigan can only tell a clone from the original by following the original's movements. So in other words only if you are dumb enough to make the clones in front of them. Which Nardo is.
>>136241808
Why did nobody try to make porn for her. She just loves her children why no /ss/
>>136255650
Then they got wrecked Uchiha Jesus and Uzumaki God
>>136246865
>and it turned out to be wrong anyway. They were never the same thing, Kaguya just had both powers in separate eyes and one son started the Hyuuga while the other's kid started the Uchiha.
Kaguya had the original eye, it wasn't wrong that all eyes sprang from the Byakugan.
From the Byakugan sprang the Rinnegan and the Tenseigan, respectively, and from the Rinnegan sprang the Sharingan, and other various eyes.
It wasn't wrong at all, all eyes developed from the Byakugan, which was the origin.
>>136252859
i say since its a mutation it kept mutating to have all this op shit. and well hell since its from kaguya its a dulled down version of the one in her forehead.
>>136250696
At the Pain fight I was really expecting a final battle where Madara/Orochimaru/Random final villain steals the fox from Naruto and all the tailed beasts from their owners so that Naruto has to fight without relying on the fox's skills using sage mode, toads, clones, rasengan and other ninja shit. But then Naruto became friends with the fox and everything went to shit.
>>136246871
We've seen people survive trauma just as massive before, and have had it written off as "because they trained, lol". It's a shonen manga, where if you train long and hard enough, you can derail a train with a single punch and survive a fall from the Eiffel tower. Don't know why you chose to bitch about this
>>136247123
I envy you. I'm VERY fucking mad.
>>136241808
She was as bad as the whole entire series.
>>136259809
Rinnegan and Sharingan come from Kaguya's Rinne-sharingan forehead eye, not from her byakugan
>>136255488
>retarded filler
>the page with Kakashi saying it was already posted in this thread
Naruto has the best shonen jumpOPs.
>>136256002
Rasengan has nothing to do with fucking wind chakra you dumb shit
>>136259504
no he didn't
>>136261140
Sorry, charming as they were nothing will ever top Bleach's OPs. Music and artistic direction have always been Kubo's court.
>>136259809
>From the Byakugan sprang the Rinnegan and the Tenseigan and, from the Rinnegan sprang the Sharingan,
>all eyes developed from the Byakugan, which was the origin.
More like; Alien with byakugan gain rinnegan from a chakra fruit > this sprang the tenseigan but the rinnegan separate immediately (the tensaigan has nothing to see with the rinnegan en so does the byakugan) > the rinnegan devolved to give the sharingan, while the tenseigan devolved unto the byakugan.
You could also say the rinnegan separated itself from the byakugan because the chakra fruit consider alien eyes like a parasite.
Anyway, good luck finding any source for that.
>>136259504
We don't know when he learned it, he showed he could do it one handed without clones in Naruto's rasen-shuriken training and never did it again.
And how come he never tried to add his lightning chakra to the rasengan? The key was to just use an extra shadow clone, which Kakashi can easily do.
>>136261140
>not Gintama
>>136261653
Tenseigan doesn't make sense. Neither Kaguya nor Momoshinki had it.
>>136261716
He once said the whole reason he made chidori was because he could not complete the rasengan.
>>136259415
>Why did she need a army
>Who has the lucky bastard to father her kids
The two most important question in Naruto, and they were left unanswered.
>>136261836
But he could have if he tried. The whole point of Naruto's training was:
>learn elemental nature
>figure out that you need an extra shadow clone to shove the elemental chakra into the rasengan
>>136261942
>Why did she need a army
To fend off her weaker fruit-stealing cousins
>Who has the lucky bastard to father her kids
Some guy with huge balls
>>136261942
she built the army to defend against those faggots that came in the last movie, it was mentioned.
>>136254811
Reading shit like this makes me sad. And I'm sad that it makes me sad, because it shouldn't, 'cause it's Naruto and I shouldn't really care.
Why does the sharingan have to be basically the big special thing of checkra and, by proxy, the big thing of the ninja world,. Like it's basically the origin of ninjas? 'cause it spawned from the chackra fruit itself. Why can't the sharingan stay as it was in the beggining, just another special ability with strenghts and weakenesses which makes fights interesting in the context of whatever conflict is going on on the story in any given moment. You know? Drama, stakes, tension!
Like how Guy had this elaborate tactic against the sharingan because of his fights vs. Kakashi by not looking him in the eyes 'cause that's one of the sharingan's strenghts.
But no, they just kept dumping more and more extra stuff it could do until it became so fucking powerfull anyone who didn't have it was fucked. I mean, remember the original powers? You can read movement and de facto predict attacks and copy any jutsu. Seems pretty fucking useful, right? Yeah, what was the last time it was used as that? The written exam in the chuunin arc?
By the end the jutsu copying thing doesn't even make sense since the sharingan already inherently posseses all the strongest jutsu.
Then you got the most powerful genjustsu which literally is so OP in theory that you win any fight as soon as your opponent makes eye contact with you. Damn that's strong, even though it is counterable if well prepareed against it.
When was the last time that power made a difference? Itachi coming to the villlage?
By the end, you could just look in the eye of even the most powerful sharingan wielder and is just fine.
Seriously, I can't think of any other power in a shonen manga with so much storytelling potential botched.
>>136261771
I agree, anon. The tenseigan was only invented for the Last and will likely never appear again, but since narutard are like "muh the last is canon" you gotta include it. Nevermind that it make as little sense as any other naruto movies before it.
Keikaku doori
>>136241808
would smash/10
>>136261836
>the whole reason he made chidori was because he could not complete the rasengan.
That bullshit and you know it. The truth is that the rasengan is an exclusive signature move for naruto look-alikes and wannabes and no other character can learn it. It's a legacy and it isn't meant to be questionned that much.
>>136262019
For all we know, Kaguya wasn't originaly stronger than her cousins. She was just lucky to got her hands on a actual chakra fruit while most her cousins resort to vials of special chakra until they find one.
>>136241808
Needs more doujins.
>>136262310
>Why would Black Zetsu mention Itachi at this point?
Because Kishi cannot go 10 chapters without shoving something about his husbando being awesome and perfect into the plot.
>>136262310
>boruto and sarada fugs
>their child is literal kaguya incarnate
>FF to years later Kaguya is all grown up
>Orochi steals her body and becomes true immortal
well shit
>>136261771
>>136262109
This really isn't so damn hard to understand, despite people bitching.
Hagumoto and his brother are the inventors of ninshu, and they actually developed their abilities in any significant way to fight against their overpowered mother.
The aliens, when they have an overpowering power, that's it, that's all it is for them, they don't see what it can really do, how to really use it, or if it can be taken further.
If an alien ever had a sharingan, that's all it would ever be for them, it would just be a one tomoe, they wouldn't even realize it could be some bullshit like Mangekyou.
Hagumoto and his brother were the most bullshit people in the past, so they're the people that could develop their shit the furthest, since they had to develop shit the furthest to stand a chance.
Because of this, Hameru was the only Byakugan user who tried to take that eye to its limits and see what it could do, unlike those lazy aliens.
He eventually realized that it could do a lot of shit, and promptly sealed it away before it could get into evil hands, and seperated his two bloodlines so no one else could ever come across this power either.
I mean damn, Kaguya and Momoshiki can't even use Rinnegan correctly at all, and people bitch "Ummm, plot hole, they should have Tennseigan, despite it requiring an assload of specific things and super training, to the point that only one guy has ever had it before, plot hole".
That ain't a plot hole, aliens are all about raw power, but know almost nothing about technique and honing shit to its limits. Which is what Ninshu, and with time Ninjutsu was all about.
>>136262627
Holy shit, but which one Boruto or Himawari?
>>136262595
>I killed the entire clan and told you to bear hatred for me forever so you turned out to be a psychopath
>I then would have manipulated you with my friend's jutsu to do what I considered would be right
>but hey, it's okay because I loved you!
>>136256078
This.
>>136262792
Itachi should have stopped traumatizing his brother and maybe he wouldn't have gone retarded and tried to kill everybody.
>>136262948
But renember anon, the Uchiha are the edgiest and most retarded clan ever.
>>136262792
that scene was gay as fuck
>>136260096
See shit like this only drives home how bad Kishimoto is as a writer. Normally I think "oh I could write better", so maybe it's just bias, but then some assfuck on an anonymous forum can write a 100x better story starting from any point in the series.
A climax where Naruto loses the fox and has to rely on his own power would have actually kept in line with, and delivered on the series' supposed theme of "hard work and determination will carry you to victory, you can't rely on bloodlines and destiny bullshit". Except instead Naruto cooperates with the Fox and relies heavily on its power even more than he ever did before, and we already know that Naruto wouldn't have gotten through any of his major hardships without unintentionally relying on the Fox's powers, including his fight in the very first chapter, since no fox = no shadow clones = Naruto and Iruka dead in a forest.
>>136263628
Naruto has an unusually high chakra pool.
Which he got from his mother, so the point still stands, just felt like being an ass for a second.
>>136263628
Naruto can still do a shitload of shadow clones even without the fox, he did like dozens in the forest of death after Orochimaru sealed the fox's power and still had plenty of energy after that to fight Kiba right away.
>>136241808
Still curious if DFC or cowtits.General idea seems to be cowtits.
>>136262105
By the end I couldn't be bothered with remembering all the bullshit the Sharingan could do.
I miss the time when fights were about finding creative ways to use the tools you have to win.
>>136263628
The main themes were homolust friendship and teams.
>>136263826
All moms are cowtits.
>>136263826
cowtits till proven otherwise
>>136262310
>narutards
>/a/non
No, fuck off back to your shitty nurutu forum. You are not wanted on /a/.
>>136263844
Most of the fights were about luck.
>>136263628
I'm
>>136260096
And here is the thing, as the other guys said, Naruto has an unnatural amount of chakra even without the fox, and in the beginning of the series before meeting Jiraiya Naruto has this seal on his belly that is somehow botched and messes with his ability to use chakra (I forgot the details now). So in the pain fight he gets taken over by the fox again and becomes berserk and that is when I thought that the series was getting to the point where Naruto would have to get rid of the fox in order to grow especially since sage mode was just introduced as an alternative powerup. But nope, fox is good after all, frogs and toads are useless, who cares about sage mode, etc.
>>136263957
I remember years ago, my friend started watching Naruto so I watched some episodes with him, he's in the chuunin exams.
>Kiba fight comes up
>I can't remember how Naruto wins this one
>fight is actually interesting since I don't know how it ends
>Naruto *accidentally* farts in Kiba's face
>Kiba's stunned and Naruto just beats the shit out of him while he can't react
What the fuck, Kishimoto? Naruto's great triumph was due to accidentally passing gas out of fear for his life?
>>136263950
>dat denial
>>136241808
What the hell do I need to search on rule34 and gelbooru to get some porn of this woman?
>>136264168
>he doesn't know that the narutards won in 2014
Pierott is amazing.They managed to be outpaced by a video game.
>>136264290
I'm fine, thanks.
>>136264290
>OPfag in charge of calling out others on their taste
>>136241808
She may have been an asspull, but I liked her, if only because she caused obnoxious Madarafags to gain massive amounts of butthurt.
I was actually getting real tired of Madara asspulling his way to victory. It was only fitting that he be bested by an asspull in the end.
And Kaguya a cute.
>>136264486
I don't really care. I'm just glad they're trying to hype up the Byakugan a little in time for the new series about a half-Hyuuga.
>>136264486
>And Kaguya a cute.
yep
>>136264527
>implying you wouldn't a rabbit goddess
>>136264527
New series? Did I miss something?
>>136264340
Someone should make a picture of Haku with the headline "Perfect ninja too good for this world, too pure."
>>136241808
>>136264627
Mitsuki one-shot by Kishi and adventures of burdo starts in this sping anon
>>136264820
>and adventures of burdo
>>136264486
>if only because she caused obnoxious Madarafags to gain massive amounts of butthurt.
Really? If anything Madarafags can be glad that their husbando died undefeated, didn't get distracted by a sexy jutsu and didn't get punched by Sakura.
The people that complain the most, complain about the unforeshadowed asspull and the terrible final fight filled with even more asspulls.
>>136255430
>>136264820
Good god this art
what the fuck
Reminder Madara was counter-asspull to the stupid asspulls of every good guy he faced.
>>136264820
Kankuro's trade is going well in the Sand village eh.
>>136241808
Best villain of the entire arc. Fuck Madara and fuck Obito.
>>136241961
The twist may have been dumb, but the Kaguya Arc was great. It made the series interesting again, seeing the characters jump dimensions and fight a mysterious goddess.
>>136243281
No, fuck you and Madara. Madara was an Aizen-wannabe who had long overstayed his welcome. He was a cancerous tumor than had to be excised.
>>136244385
No, Obito and Madara were shit. Kaguya was a goddess.
>>136246102
If you were hyped for Madara as a final boss, then you don't really have any right to complain. Madara was such a Gary Stu piece of shit. Go write your own manga where Itachi and Madara try to out-Stu each other for 500 chapters.
>>136246945
>people actually liked Madara
Why is this allowed?
>>136261942
I would not be surprised if she just created her children.
The sage could create stuff from nowhere, why can't she?
Why are all naruto girls so delicious?
>>136265114
>I respect this villain because she has a cunt and it's a progressive depiction of powerful women in the manga industry
>>136264876
You and I must have met two very different types of Madarafag, then.
>>136264928
Cheating to let the villain win is just as bad as cheating to let the heroes win.
>>136265176
Because rabbits are prolific breeders
>>136265176
>The sage could create stuff from nowhere, why can't she?
The Sage just spammed izanagi to do that. Kaguya didn't seem to have that ability.
>>136264905
man i missed the narutobomb dump on /h/
could you zip and upload your archive?
>>136264927
Mikio's art is p good
he just don't know how to draw child faces
>>136265360
Don't have the archive.
I wanted to know if anyone else had it...
>>136265114
>but the Kaguya Arc was great
Stop thinking with your dick, other than the sexy jutsu it was terrible.
The fight got rid of Naruto and Sasuke's teamwork and was mostly Naruto spamming shadow clones and rasengans while Coolest Guy and Pink looked for Sasuke.
Then it turned into a huge Obito wankfest with him doing the stupidest asspull in the series to give team 7 the edge over Kaguya.
>>136262792
That's family anon.
>>136265474
i liked the dimension hopping thing
felt like an appropriate final boss setting, disregarding all the other bullshit that was pulled
>>136264820
Who is gonna make this
I haven't followed at all since it ended
>>136265604
Fuck off, newfag.
>>136265474
>cool dimensions, with color and scope
>Team 7 has to work as a team to win
>Kakashi gets a power up and gets to win a fight for the first time in 15 years
>Obito dies like the little bitch he is
>villain has Byakugan, making the eyes relevant again
Solid 7/10 Arc, anon.
>>136265641
>narutard is calling me a newfag
>>136265672
>7/10 Arc
>nurutu shit
No, newfag anon. Its shit.
>The manga has been over for over a year now and the anime is still going with no signs of getting out of filler
>>136265756
>that image
Kill yourself, newfag.
>>136265672
But he was the COOLEST GUY, anon!
>>136265604
Mikio (kishi's assistant for 15 years) as illustrator and Gaara Hiden's author for scenerio
>>136266086
>Gaara Hiden's author
I haven't read it. Is he any good?
>currently watching Naruto for the first time in in about 10 years
>episode 25 of the original series
>tfw only a few more episodes of this shitty OP
American OP1 > Japanese OP1
Also what episode should I stop watching at?
>>136266326
Stop at 26 and then kill yourself.
>>136266151
yeah heard its pretty good and i can say he is definetly better than Kishi when it comes to story
iirc the novel is about if Gaara doesn't have child Shikamaru's clan would eventually inherit the Kazekage title so village elders forced him to marry with someone
if you like Crusader Kings 2 id say go ahead and read it
>>136266326
Stop watching immediately. It doesn't get better. You're subjecting yourself to actual purgatory, anon. See >>136265778
>>136266151
He also wrote the Burrito novel and co-wrote the movie with Kishi so he knows these characters.
>>136266621
man i really should read that novel along with the last
especially the last one?
>dat part where Naruto has an arm fetish
>>136266908
>reading anything nurutu
No, you should kill yourself.
>>136264927
it's at least 10 times better than Kishimoto's shitty art
>everything new is bad
>>136267084
I'm sure we'll get used to it. Also switching to monthly means they'll have more time to revise and improve. Should make for a better looking manga overall. Same goes for writing.
>>136267084
No even Kishimoto art looks better. You need your eyes checked.
>>136241808
>Whats the final consensus on Kaguya as the final villain?
Someone needs to defeat Madara.
Wait isn't Himawari supposedly her reincarnation? Sorry not a Naruto fan just picking up the jest of it her and there.
>>136267532
No.
>>136267532
She's not even dead
>>136267439
>Kishi's art better than anything
I feel genuinely sorry for you.
>>136267774
It's okay. Just okay. I prefer the new guy's style, just hope it looks better than the promo.
>>136266908
>arm fetish
p4p best fetish
>>136241808
>will never get a handjob from kaguya and her giant fingernails
just
>>136266908
>>136268257
>nardo has arm fetish
>burdo is opposite of nardo
>opposite of arms is legs
>salad starts wearing outfit that reveals her legs
>>136267532
Nah, you're thinking of somebody who hasn't even been born yet.
>>136268426
>Burrito tries his father's Sexy Jutsu
>Salad copies it with her gibsmedatgan
>this happens
the fact that she was pants on head insane was pretty cool but she came way out of left field and was poorley handled. in my opinion madara should have been the final boss and then have kaguya be the one they fight in The Last instead of that one faggot from the moon
>>136268517
>Salad copies it with her gibsmedatgan
i spilled my drink holy shit
>>136265641
>
this kills the fanbase
>>136268426
is that made by korean fujoshi?
>>136268517
>Bort uses sexy jutsu
>He turns into a more mature Salad
>>136269921
Draws a lot of girls too.
>>136270008
I'm okay with this.
>>136270238
CUTE CUTE CUTE
>>136241808
Sakura punching her was cool.
And the part after with Naruto telling off Black Zetsu was good.
>>136267774
There are limits on how much you should hate a person.
>>136270288
Sakura punching her was the second most forced thing with her Kaguya's appearance being the first.
>>136270288
>the part after with Naruto telling off Black Zetsu was good.
I concur that was really good. Loved that part.
What's funny is that an anon on /v/ predicted this all like 4 years ago for a pitch about a new Zelda game.
>>136264486
I will admit I do find her alright. But yeah like everyone said, her arc was kind of crap.
Why is there so fucking little R34 of her?
>>136270408
>literally has eyes in the back of her head
>still gets donkey punched somehow
>>136271373
To little screen time to late
>>136270810
>But yeah like everyone said, her arc was kind of crap.
You're objectively wrong.
Madara's arc was trash.
Kaguya's arc was class.
Should I bother watching Naruto? Community is obviously cancer on par with Sonic, but is the anime worth the time? My expectations are low.
>>136271877
>Should I bother watching Naruto?
no, play the games instead
Apocalymon follows the cliche of the "last minute villain" but at least he is ,by far ,more interesting,
Kaguya appearence did not have a build up. The figt scene is layered by madara and later by sasuke fight.
Naruto final fight itself in nothing but a mountain of pig turds.
>>136272034
Kaguya was added to pave the way for future ninja alien shenanigans
I'm not saying Kaguya was good, but she was added specifically so that she WASN'T the end
>>136253738
>>136256128
Jesus I can't believe I actually remember this. I initially came for a chance of rabbit lewd because milf goddesses is the shit and deserves more love.
But Rasengan was just pure chakra control which Minato figured out by watching at least one of the tailed beast doing the beast bomb. So he first showed it of to Jiraya because Jiraya was cool sensei and later to Kakashi because he was the junior.
IIRC Kakashi can do the rasengan but experimented with seals to create chidori because he could not infuse natural chakra to his rasengan.
>>136271451
I imagine the anime might show her off a bit more.Assuming her arc hasn't started in the anime yet. I don't pay attention to it much.
>>136261942
Who boned Shizune is mine, headcanon says Kakashi hit that during his time at the office.
>>136268517
>Salad copies it with her gibsmedatgan
Why the need for the eyehax? All she has to do is to transform into a version of her 12 year old dad with straight hair and Bort will cum instantly
Any movies/episodes/games/etc worth watching? Only read the manga
>>136272234
>Kakashi
>not staying a wizard
Every girl (and boy) he penetrates dies.
>>136273193
Play the games, specifically the Ultimate Ninja Storm series, watch The Last and Burrito, and read Gaiden.
>>136273278
Everyone dies, anon
Except Orochimaru
>>136273278
Normally I would agree with you but Shizune needed some of that Silver dick.
>>136273441
Kakashi would never cheat on his wizardry
>>136273122
Naruto and Sasuke already provided enough Uzumaki-Uchiha homoeroticism for 10 generations. Any more and reality might collapse in on itself.
>>136274348
If you've already become a wizard, you won't lose it though. Also pussy game is more exquisite when being a wizard.
