So guys. Listen to this shit for a bit.
Everyone is saying how SSJB Goku is the strongest transformation ever. And it's probably true.
BUT.. SSJ4 Goku at GT is A LOT stronger than both Whis and Beerus.
I mean if we say that Beerus is a 200 in power. And that Goku SSJ3 is a 1 (0.5% of Beerus) in comparison to him. Normal Goku in GT is as strong as SSJ3 Goku of Z. So if we put the multipliers Goku SSJ4 becomes a 4000 while Beerus is a 200.
SSJ4 is stronk guys.
Take your pink furry fanfiction character out of here.
Who cares
>>136199937
>Normal Goku in GT is as strong as SSJ3 Goku of Z
you what nigger?
>>136199937
>Beerus is a 200 in power. And that Goku SSJ3 is a 1 (0.5% of Beerus) in comparison to him.
Pulling numbers out of your ass, are we?
So for sure ssj4 goku can beat superman right?
Yes.
Because Furry Goku is laser proof.
>>136199937
Raw power means nothing compared to a God.
Becoming a God isn't just an increase in speed and strength, it's a literal physical upgrade. Your body grows slimmer and more streamlined, your senses are amplified to the very sounds of the universe, and your power becomes hidden. You become faster than what physical law allows.
It doesn't matter how strong SSJ4 is, SS4 Goku wouldn't be able to lay a finger on Beerus because he wouldn't be able to sense Beerus's deity level power.
To beat a God you need to BE a God. That's what makes Toriyama's canon continuation series so much better than GT's universe.
Except for Super. Super is shit.
>>136200253
>god
>vulnerable to lasers
GT doesn't get retroactively stronger as the God saga didn't exist when it was made.
>>136200271
Goku's god powers are only awakened when he transforms into Super Saiyan Blue. In Super, he was in his base form when the laser hit.
Retcons and inconsistencies aside, the laser is not longer an issue.
>>136200309
There is another inconsistency brought by super, he should have regenerated from that in the first place.
Beerus punched a hole through his chest when he was SSJGod and he recovered from it mid-battle.
>>136199937
I like the design better than the shitty recolor
That's pretty much the only thing I like about It
Also SSJ4 Gogeta was the best that ever came out GT
>>136200341
His guard was up, his defense was at maximum, and he was powered up to God level.
Goku in the Frieza scene was literally in the same state he is when he's eating a bag of chips. Frieza was down for the count, Goku got cocky, and the laser didn't even kill him. It really isn't an issue.
came here to call you a faggot. your non canon furfag fetish of a form is shit and couldnt even stand toe to toe with SSJG let alone the GOD of DESTRUCTION, and Whis who is actually more masculine than Mr. Pink Fur, red eyeliner up there.
this was a way better design than red hair/blue hair.
>SSG has a healing factor
Kaioken return?
>>136200399
fuck off. fusions are fucking stupid and your half ape flamboyant transformation is beyond just a bad design.
Will take even regular Goku over that disgusting garbage anyday.
>>136200399
>SSJ1: Hair changes, eye color changes
Everybody likes it
>SSJ2: Hair changes slightly
Everybody's okay with it
>SSJ3: Hair changes, eye changes
Everybody likes it
>SSJG: Hair changes, eye color changes, body shape is altered slightly
''REEE FUCKING RECOLOR''
>SSJB: Hair changes, eye color changes
''REEEEE RECOLOR AGAIN FUCKING TORIYAMA''
fucking mexicans
Goku ssj4 can't even lift a building and gets hurt by random junk.
>>136200442
The SSJ4 designs for Goku and Vegeta weren't all that great, but the SSJ4 Gogeta design is really good.
Should've just based SSJG on that design.
>>136200442
That's because you're retarded. How can you not like the simplistic beauty of God mode. He's a god so the idea of him needing to being a hulked up ape man is pointless... and pretty fucking gay. Plus the aura is gorgeous.
>>136200444
>Kaioken
Fuck the Super Saiyan bullshit, this was so much cooler. I wish it made a return.
>>136200407
>His guard was up, his defense was at maximum, and he was powered up to God level.
this meme again
when will superfags learn?
>>136200491
>>136200491
No one likes SSJ3. Long hair and no eyebrows... Come the fuck on.
>>136200552
...what?
So you quoted what I said, said it was a meme, and then...? What's your point?
>>136200253
You do realize that even if Goku SSJ3 is 0.1% of Beerus.. Goku SSJ4 is still stronger? Vegeta, with his angrer SSJ still managed to phase Beerus and forced him into 10%. He had nothing Godly about him at that point.
SSJ4 is such a ridiculous power up that he would mop over "gods". His power is on a completely different dimension. To the point of SSJ3 being puny and insignificant. SSJ4 along with the massive power up, provides eyesight that can spot objects from Earth to outer space with ease, insane level of adaptive powers (he was immune to electricity, heat that is as hot as the sun, and extreme frost after being hit once by them).
Also yeah. SSJB provides a far bigger multiplier. I don't deny that. But SSJ4 at GT was STILL stronger.
Stop watching Dragon Ball anime
>>136200309
>Goku goes in base form
>SSJ4 Goku wrecks him
Simple enough.
>>136200407
>His guard was up, his defense was at maximum, and he was powered up to God level.
And yet lasers.
>>136200920
>SSJ4 is such a ridiculous power up that he would mop over "gods". His power is on a completely different dimension. To the point of SSJ3 being puny and insignificant. SSJ4 along with the massive power up, provides eyesight that can spot objects from Earth to outer space with ease, insane level of adaptive powers (he was immune to electricity, heat that is as hot as the sun, and extreme frost after being hit once by them).
>>>/fanfiction.net/
I literally have 0 problems with SSJ Red/Blue. Cry me a fucking river.
>>136201085
LASERS
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S
>>136200920
and here we have an example of fanfiction writers who take dbz too seriously
>>136201127
Yeah Goku has always been a fucking idiot, he's so strong but he'll literally lower his power level enough after a fight to get backstabbed by some low ranking grunt's laser gun. Shit would never happen to Vegeta.
>>136200491
>>SSJG: Hair changes
>>SSJB: Hair changes
No it doesn't.
>>136201205
>Hair turns red
>Hair turns blue
NIGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>136201230
So it's just a recolor?
>>136199937
>people actually think this shit is cool
dbfags are a laughing stock
>>136201193
>Yeah Goku has always been a fucking idiot
So he'll always get killed in that manner. Thanks for clarifying,senpai.
>>136201267
What's wrong with that? Did you literally want him to grow EVEN MORE FUCKING HAIR THAN SSJ3? Come the fuck on.
>>136201270
Better than the DeviantArt recolor.
>>136201309
No, but I certainly wasn't expecting to see the Kaioken again, except this time it's the most powerful shit in the universe short of the newest mary sues.
>>136201342
Kaioken was never a form, merely a way of multiplying your ki at the cost of physical strain. What would you have preferred then? I literally can't think of something good.
>>136201386
Anon, I might blow your mind here, but how aboutno new transformation, and actually make the fights based on the characters outsmarting the enemy and cooperating using the absurdly high powers they already have?Oh, and certainly don't just completely reset half of them so they can't collaborate in any way whatsoever despite the fact that they could before.
And even then, hell, anything would be better than this. Super is seriously the lowest quality saga ever in DB.
>>136201020
And yet you've quoted me on something completely different. Please read before you blindly reply.
>>136201489
>>>/propane/
>>136200920
The Vegeta example doesn't really work. Beerus clearly didn't expect Vegeta to attack from such close range. If Beerus had risen his guard before Vegeta attacked, it likely wouldn't have been so effective.
>>136201563
>>136201538
It doesn't matter how powerful Goku is. He's careless and vulnerable because of it, making him fodder for grunts.
let it die guys! dbs/z /gt is shit.
damn, you guys are on equal terms to narutards now.
>>136202389
Dragon Ball isn't shit. It's fanbase may consist of cancerous mexicans, but It's one of the only shonen I've read that isn't dull, lifeless and predictable. I can't even pretend to hate Dragon Ball.
GT and Super are bad though.
>>136202700
DBZ DBGT DBS are worse than Naruto desu
>>136203027
DBZ isn't though. It's a cult classic, and most people would agree. GT and Super are just inferior cash-ins to the Dragon Ball series.
What Dragon Ball Super should have been...
A "Super Charged" version of Dragon Ball, it inspired a tonne of manga and anime, many of which have exceeded Z in terms of action, it would have been nice to see Dragon Ball Super take from those that it influenced. Get rid of the inconsistencies and just tell a good, well constructed story without the shit, have some slice of life episodes, flesh out the characters and make it goofy, action packed and suspenseful.
The Super we got was just a massive let down, dunno what it is but it's just fucking bland.
>Faggots judging DBS before it has even started
top kek
>>136203435
>been going since mid 2015
>just starting
fuck off fanboi
>>136203435
Robot guy is literally the only thing introduced in Super that I like. And I'm 90% sure he's going to get destroyed first of all.
>>136199937
>>136203435
Winnie the Pooh's been around for years faggot.
>>136200271
He powered down to regular mode now before he got killed.
Git rekt phaggot
>>136203611
yeah but even so, it's a fucking ring laser, goku has exposed himself to much more devastating attacks.
super is worse than gt, least gt knew when to stop unlike this shit.
>>136203663
Le guard was le down assfaggot
>How Ki works.jpg
>SSJ 4 Goku
good design
>SSJ 4 Vegeta
stupid and contrived
>SSJ 4 Baby Vegeta
good design
>Majin Vegeta
good design
>Broly
good design
>Mystic Gohan
good design
>Frieza
worst, most laughable design ever
why is Frieza strong again??????? th eliteral race of who's whos?? whatever.
>>136203759
Not really a good excuse.
Goku should have known there was another ki there, he's been training for long enough to pick up on shit like that. He also deflected Freeza's lasers with one hand, he was relaxed and remained unfazed, you didn't see any lasers going through his hands did you? Nope. Cause the guy had built himself up to be a shit brick-house.
It's just a shit show.
Dealwithitfaggot.
>>136200016
Surprisingly so.
>>136200271
>Buu
>vulnerable to bullets
Make room for the strongest in the universe you fucking plebs.
>>136203870
>Goku should have known there was another ki there, he's been training for long enough to pick up on shit like that.
Stronger Than Goku Koala was hiding his Ki
>He also deflected Freeza's lasers with one hand, he was relaxed and remained unfazed, you didn't see any lasers going through his hands did you? Nope. Cause the guy had built himself up to be a shit brick-house.
His Ki was up at the time, dumb bitch
It's really not that hard to comprehend.
>>136203870
>should have known
>Frieza's Ki in front of him
>I feel a match at the other side of the planet while a nuclear reaction is in front of you
>>136199937
You know. there are alot of people out there trying to fight cancer and find a cure. and yet you sit here and do nothing but try and spread it
>>136203950
>Stronger Than Goku Koala was hiding his Ki
...then why use a scouter? ki control was something vegeta discovered on earth by goku. it was implied freeza's forces were strong but didn't possess much in the way of ki control.
>His Ki was up at the time, dumb bitch
sure thing... i remember seeing the aura and everything when he hit them away... oh wait, there was no aura so there was no increase in ki.
>>136203975
if a guy has god ki, then surely he can sense his surroundings, it's just poor writing on part of the show and stupid way to try and build suspense. its sad that people are defending this shit.
>>136204080
>if a guy has a metal detector, he should detect a piece of scrap iron when a steel building is right in front of him
Here's your (You)
>>136201270
>being so strong you magick pants out of fucking nowhere
>not cool
>>136204146
>>136204167
...
...
...
>scouters
no shit. so if freeza's squad are using them, they mustn't be able to control or sense ki. goku can, he doesn't have a scouter, he's been sensing ki for a long time now so surely he should have sensed everything in his surroundings.
So then, how did Goku sense Vegeta when Super Buu was infront of him with gohan absorbed? Vegeta was relaxed and by your logic, buu should have been a powerhouse of ki and vegeta by comparison, miniscule. it's just shit writing through and through.
>>136204269
> they mustn't be able to control or sense ki
Nice assumptions. Vegeta used a scouter too and he could control his Ki just fine.
>Vegeta was relaxed and by your logic
Relaxed =/= your ki is off. You have to consciously lower it. It's like breathing in a way.
>>13619993fuck you want a compliment on your shitty gt so had? Ssj4 looked cooler than ssjg/b. But the idea and concept and execution and effect of it was a 200 in retardation (.5% of giru and pan)
>>136200049
Beerus used his 1% against Vegeta
>>136203261
>People like it because of nostalgia so it's not bad :^)
>>136204820
I finished reading the manga last year, and it's aged extremely well. The Android Invasion saga is some of the best manga i've ever read.
>>136204269
>Vegeta
>much more Ki than Sorbet
>Gold Frieza:Sorbet
>implying it isn't far above Buuhan:Vegeta
>>136203900
>Using godawful scans in 2016
>>136205336
Super buu was pretty baller though.
>>136201281
Yeah he kinda has a thing for that.
You would guess after he almost died against Piccolo in the last DB tournament that he would have started to care about lasers.
>>136199958
is more red than pink to me
>>136201020
>And yet lasers
He let his guard down and he wasn't in his god form.
>>136207136
>on guard against a 4'11 manlet
>let your guard down against a 7'1 motherfucker
Never change, Goku.
Why are faggots still talking about Dragon Ball in general?...Super is fucking total shite, the new movies were total shite...Toriyama should of never came out of obscurity, and remained a distant memory...he can't write his fucking way out of a wet paper bag, a bunch of spick kids can remember more details about his creation than he can, hes a total fucking hack.
>>136199937
Normal Goku in GT is as strong as SSJ3 Goku in the Buu Saga.
Normal Goku in Super, after absorbing God Ki, is much stronger than Goku SSJ3 post-Buu Saga. He knocks out a big energy blast from Beerus, while the later holding back much more power defeated SSJ3 with a slap.
Basic SSJ is still a power up on top of that, and SSJGSS/SSJB is an even greater power.
>>136201020
He wasn't in God form when he took the laser in Super. So, it doesn't contradict the regeneration shown by God Goku in the previous arc.
>>136203870
>Goku should have known there was another ki there
The laser ring wouldn't have any ki since it's a weapon, not a living being. And the user of the ring wouldn't be able to damage even a relaxed Goku with his own power.
>>136205336
Where do you get those scans anon? all the ones I download are shit quality
>>136199937
one punch men is stronger
>>136203605
Sauce?
>>136209352
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=149389
>>136204543
He also says he used his full power against SSJG Goku when he very clearly didn't.
>>136199937
Syn shenron use a piece of sharp metal (the face of a clock) as weapon to take advantage of the fact Goku was blind after being slashed in the eyes by another dragon's long fingernails. Goku used his sharp sense or ear to avoid the attack.
So GT Goku is vulnerable to people with long fingernails, old clocks and and ice.
Meanwhile superman doest even blink when bullets bounce off of his eyes.
>>136212092
Original Superman could be killed with a bursting shell.
>>136212092
He mostly use his ki in his fingernail like everytime in dragonball. the ice is his ki
>>136212092
the clock is imbued by his ki.
>>136212510
It's like how trunks always imbued his sword with ki to achieve much powerfull attack.
>>136212510
>The dragon uses an object so Goku cant sense it
>It had Ki
Now you are contradicting the characters.
>>136212739
You're not making sense at all which episode is this?
>>136212739
>running away as i expected it.
>>136199937
Vegeto is as strong as Super Saiyan 4 Goku.
Beerus is laughably stronger than Vegeto, not even Goku thought fusion would beat him.
Beerus is stronger than Super Saiyan 4.
>>136203606
Majin Pooh will win this. He's been through shit Goku could never dream of.
>>136209750
Nope
>>136199937
Still weaker than Arale.
>>136213980
Non canon contradicting the anime.
>>136214665
Is canon, anime contradicts itself. Reminder that Super Saiyan 4 Goku in GT is portrayed as weaker than Super Saiyan 1 Goku in Z several times.
>>136214702
no you are false on so many level
>>136214665
None of the anime are canon.
>>136214810
Have you WATCHED GT? I'll forgive you if you haven't, it's very hard to sit through, but if you need a refresher, Super Saiyan 4 Goku gives a downright awful performance several times.
Fighting Monkey Trouble Baby, he gets hurt when a building falls on him.
Super 17, he's EVEN DUMBER than in Super and RoF because he keeps spamming ki blasts against THE THING THAT ABSORBS KI.
Mole Shenron, has trouble lifting a city block.
GT a shit and for pedos.
>>136215160
you're drunk there is no such a thing stop spamming you don't even know or watch.
>>136200515
>How can you not like the simplistic beauty of God mode
Because we're not simple minded idiots or 3rd graders.
SSJ blue is a pleb test, and guess what, you passed!
>>136217668
Better a pleb than a spic, Bardockfag.
>>136203857
>Mystic Gohan
>good design
>literally a just gust of wind a pidgeot could do to power up
>Frieza
>worst, most laughable design ever
kill yourself
>>136217851
DBZ was literally designed by proto-spics, so that means not only you enjoy the taste of shit in your mouth, but you enjoy it from people you hate!
nice, faggot
>>136211757
Sankyuu~
>>136215461
Do you seriously not remember the Super 17 fight? Where Goku, being the only one who is strong enough to stop him (because hurrdurr Goku Time), actually acts OUT OF CHARACTER and spams ki blasts nonstop (you know, like Vegeta) even though it's painfully clear they're doing jack shit?
To top it off the whole fight looks worse than Super's most QUALITY episodes.
>>136200491
It's almost as if things get stale after a while
>>136217668
>SSJ4 is literally what would happen if you asked a 10 year old to give Goku a new form
>not a simple minded idiot
I'm sorry, but you are. The best part of SSJG is that it's so simple, yet the actual finer details add a lot. He gets thinner, he becomes taller, his eyes light up, and the flame aura all create an extremely effective design. If you think a fucking gorilla in make-up not even designed by Toriyama is a good thing, then you're a delusional child.
>>136203435
All those 6 new character designs look so uninspired holy fuck
Literally something you'd except out of a fanfic game about dragonball
Also the power levels vary so much it's not even funny, Super Cyan Goku is worth like 10,000 Piccolos
>>136199937
SSJ4 can barely lift a building. Get that shit out of here.
>>136199958
SSJG is moe
>>136207088
>and he wasn't in his god form
holy shit, DBSfags
>>136219041
>>136217851
super is shit, animation shit
>>136217966
>Japanese
>proto-spics
Spics came from Russian mongoloids, you retard.
>being a racist spic
kek
>>136219167
When did I say otherwise you little daft fuck?
>>136200016
He's not wrong. Hell, base GT Goku might as well be the strongest form in all of DragonBall, if not for SSJ4 Gogeta
>>136219266
dbs is a piece of shit = you
>>136215160
That lucky ass deer.
>>136214702
Reminder that Base Kid Goku has better feats and implied feats than SSJ3 Goku in Buu saga.
>>136205336
>>136209352
http://comic.dragonballcn.com/
The best scans. It has nearly everything.
I can't even stress how much 'everything' it has. Click the links at the top of the page and it even has cardass scans and vintage rips from video games including sprites and music. It has like 90% of printed dragon ball content that's published in a book format(that's a Dragon Ball based book) <- to say the least.
>>136200565
>he doesn't like it
fucking heresy
>>136200491
Maybe because all super saiyan transformations are just powered up versions of the same form, whereas super saiyan god is supposed an entirely new transformation, even using a different type of energy.
>>136201743
but his base power, without any ki usage at all, without any energy but his own muscles, can obliterate a solar syste, and cannot be pierced by anything. Back in the saiyan saga, when he was at one trillionth the power and completely incapacitated in a hospital, his skin was too tough to be pierced by extremely high grade needles.
>>136226749
That's not in the manga. Goku does say his body is as strong as stainless steel in the first chapter, but most all of the hospital stuff is filler.
Both forms are deviant art tier. One is a pink furry flaming faggot and the other is an epic recolor and completely unoriginal.
ITT pick your poison
This guy is the only one who gets it >>136201438
>>136226749
>can obliterate a solar system
>sneaky laser to the heart/lung took him down.
Nope.
>>136205336
Super Buu will always be my favorite villain design
>>136226749
>his skin was too tough to be pierced by extremely high grade needles.
The laser was simply stronger than some gay needles.
You fags are really trying too hard.
>>136200253
>God ki bullshit
citation fucking needed. you dbztards post this shit in every thread. some retard made that up and you all believed it
>>136200253
you got so much wrong. goku has been surpassing gods through training alone. he prides himself as just a normal saiyan, that through hard work and effort can surpass even a god. thats why ssjg was such a shit thing to bring into dbz. instead of working for his power hes given it through some lame ass ritual for free.
>>136234949
Training with gods. Not just training alone. He needs special couches to teach him.
Since Vegeta also trains but lacks god couches on his corner.
Also, Goku has not surpassed Beerus.
>>136201270
where did their nipples go
>>136203435
You guys think that Champa orders Vados to sexually please him?
>>136236847
Only as often as Beerus orders Whis to sexually please him.Which is not as often as Whis wants.
>>136203435
you just know the smiling guys are the strongest
>>136203857
it's so easy to find spics in these threads, my god
