Is anime the only fiction medium that fully embraces male-oriented romance?
It seems almost every other medium is completely dominated at appealing to women.
>>135671053
I think in the past there are more anime for woman than now
The only one that I've seen.
Anime in general isn't made for, or marketed to, normalfags, just about every other medium is. Even books and comics. Maybe your SJ adaptions are made for normalfag kids, so they're about powerlevels and stuff.
>>135671718
>Anime in general isn't made for, or marketed to, normalfags
>>135671053
There's this wacky new invention called book, you should try one of those once
What are you saying, romance is exclusively for women and gays. Male oriented romance would be only porn.
>>135671780
>implying
Maybe in america, but not in Japan. Mostly because japanese normalfags fucking despise anime and it's fanbase, so if they're not gonna give any show a chance anyways, why bother?
>>135672416
>romance books
>not only read by women
>male romance
What is that even supposed to be.
>>135673733
Romance written for a male audience.
>>135673733
>>135673793
like "500 days of summer"?
Or maybe "I heart huckabees"?
that are some romance centered movies that seem to have a kinda large male (altough ashamed) fellowship
>>135671053
Yes. Incidentally that's also why anime is for effeminate faggots such as ourselves.
>>135673811
i can dig it
>>135673876
Is Lost in Translation for men or women?
What exactly constitutes male-oriented romance? Gratuitous TNA?
>>135674006
Now thats a good example I think.
>>135671053
Most movies that aren't marketed as romance have male-oriented romance. Not counting the ones that don't have romance at all, I mean.
>>135671053
Galge are better for that
>>135671780
M8. Otaku in Nippon are consider bottom of the barrel. After the incident with Tsutomu Miyazaki, the media and others went into moral panic and thought all otaku are like Miyazaki. It still linger into their conscious too.
Moreover, anime like Welcome To The N.H.K. was aired on non-anime channels to motivate hikikomori/NEETs to escape that lifestyle.
That's how otaku are view in Nippon.
>>135674031
like, feelings n shit bro.
y'know?
>>135674204
If I had any understanding of feelings n shit, I probably wouldn't be here m8.
>>135674031
Manga like Train Man and Molester Man. Give the average otaku hope.
>>135673876
>500 Days of Summer
Take that to >>>/tv/
Wasn't "Her" a male oriented romance? Although the dude still gets cucked at the end.
>>135672934
I mostly read manga, and I don't live in Japan, so I hardly care, but isn'it hypocritical how manga are fine but anime is off limits?
>>135674441
Is that the one where Joaquin Phoenix is dating an AI?
Is it gud?
>>135674362
Isnt Zooey way too old for /tv/s taste?
>>135674473
It's just okay. You should read Ressentiment instead.
>>135674473
Ye.
>>135673671
Plenty of novels with romance in them that are geared towards men
>>135674161
Common misconception. You are describing how things were 20 years ago. Otaku this days are part of pop culture. Even a prime minister of Japan (Taro Aso) openly self identified as an Otaku not long ago.
>>135673733
How retarded are you? Men and women have a largely different view on romance. And if the MC is male how is the slut gonna self insert? Take Toradora for example, is the female supposed to self insert into minorin only to find out taiga wins?
>>135675014
Oh yeah, the one who read Rozen Maiden at an airport, desu
>>135674161
>>135672934
>In 2013, a Japanese study of 137,734 people found that 42.2% self-identify as a type of otaku. This study suggests that the stigma of the word has vanished, and the term has been embraced by many.
>>135675014
>>135675100
>It was reported that he was seen reading the manga Rozen Maiden in Tokyo International Airport, which earned him the sobriquet "His Excellency Rozen".
He's a terrible person, but I'm finding it hard to hate him.
>>135675100
Why fight it, japan is already animeland
>>135674031
>Gratuitous TNA?
See this, ladies and gentlemen? THIS is exactly while male-oriented romance, and male feelings in general, are not taken seriously in Japan.
Japan has this idea of Honne and Tatemae, or an "outside face" for public affairs and an "inside face" for in private. Over there, regardless of how people act on the outside, their inside feelings are unknown to all but their most private companions. It only makes sense for dating sims and male oriented romance novels/LN/anime/manga to flood the market.
In the West we don't have that. Instead pop culture is dominated by the (woman engineered) idea that women are ~sophisticated~ and have ~complex ideas~ while men only want BEER AND SEX.
No wonder people like OP think it's only in anime, considering that's the Japanese medium Westerners are most likely to come into contact with.
>>135675229
He's kind of moe...
>>135674473
I kinda hated it.
>>135675229
I wish Abe had a slice of toast in his mouth as well for that moment
>>135675302
>are not taken seriously in Japan.
In the West, I meant. Hurf druf.
>>135675132
>all otaku are anime otaku
It's literally a nerd you faget. You can be a fucking meme otaku.
>>135675302
I'll be honest, you just sound like a massive faggot.
>>135675582
Don't give people ideas anon
>>135675622
Too late senpai.
>>135675302
>>135675582
>all otaku are anime otaku
Never said anything like that. But Akiba-kei shit (almost all of it manga and anime related) has been part of Japanese Pop culture for the longest time now. That together with the popularity of otakudom goes to show how thinking that anime is considered bottom of the barrel is plainly stupid.
>>135674031
Your standard LN and visual novel in wich the most beautiful girls fall in love with the MC for his actions instead of his appareance
>>135675302
I agree to an extent about how it's seen in the west, except the woman engineered part. The "tough man" stereotype (that, in away, encompasses the "beer and sex" that you mentioned) is ingrained in society as a whole, it's retarded to blame it only on women. (I am a man by the way)
I'll go even farther and say that men are the ones that built the stereotype and are keeping it alive the most: imagine you're 16 and enjoy reading romance stories, chances are you'd be ashamed of friends finding out about it, you'd be labelled as a pussy, as opposed to being a "macho".
>>135676723
>I'll go even farther and say that men are the ones that built the stereotype and are keeping it alive the most
Yes I agree. This dynamic is also common between women, slut shaming for example is almost exclusively a women-only activity.
>>135676942
>slut shaming for example is almost exclusively a women-only activity.
Which is why r9k is full of women, right?
>>135672416
>reading
>>135677261
/r9k/ is the exception not the norm.
>>135677261
No board on 4chan is representative of reality. Only a fool would take anything read here seriously.
>>135677421
Does Facebook count as the norm? Because I've seen some very similar opinions expressed on there.
>>135676723
>chances are you'd be ashamed of friends finding out about it
Yes, but why? Simply because it is not what women demand (they want a stoic tool rather than a person) and other men are more than willing to backstab eachother if it means getting their dicks wet. That's the entire tale of human reproduction: women set the bar, and men try their hardest to meet those standards while cutting down (sometimes literally) other men.
>>135677261
>4chan reflects reality
Try using a normalfag website.
http://time.com/107228/women-misogyny-twitter-study-demos/
>>135677483
The internet isn't the norm
>>135675302
>In the West we don't have that. Instead pop culture is dominated by the (woman engineered) idea that women are ~sophisticated~ and have ~complex ideas~ while men only want BEER AND SEX.
Blame men for that shit, dumbass.
>>135677488
Saying that women slut shame as much as men is not the equivalent of saying women slut shame more than men.
>>135677522
>The internet isn't the norm
Maybe back in 1998, but not in the modern world where everyone and their grandma can log onto Facebook.
>>135674448
You can read manga on the train to and from work, so it is an acceptable time killer.
If you watch anime, it means you are spending time on it that should be spent either working or sleeping, and that makes you scum.
>>135675220
How is he a terrible person? Because he went to Yasakuni shrine? Because his grandfather did some shady shit in Korea in the thirties? He's pretty much a run-of-the-mill neoliberal with nationalist sympathies. All things considered, that's a pretty inoffensive political position.
>>135674891
There is a difference between a story with romance in it and a romance story.
One is a sideshow, one is the main event.
>>135676942
Yeah, no one on a/ bitches about female characters being sluts, not at all.
>>135673876
Like Eternal Sunshine, Lost in Translation, or Seeking a Girlfriend for the End of the World. There's really no shortage of this stuff in film. Basically every Hollywood movie has a romance subplot anyway.
>>135671718
>Anime in general isn't made for, or marketed to, normalfags, just about every other medium is. Even books and comics
You mean anime is the one to yet to fall to normalfags. Comics and vidya were at one point free of normalfags till about 10 years ago when it became cool to like it.
>>135677488
>Yes, but why? Simply because it is not what women demand (they want a stoic tool rather than a person)
I'd make it a law to give 10 whips to whoever comes up with blanket statements of any kind
You are cherry picking a category of women and giving them more importance than what they have, or /r9k/ really believes every single woman is part of a secret scheme to diminish and enslave men?
Also, going by your logic, if we go 100 years back to the past, in a predominantly men-ruled society, it would be acceptable for men to openly show their feelings, and engage in behaviours and thoughst deemed (incorrectly) "girlish". Get a grip dude, the "tough man" stereotype is something men themselves made
On a side note, as for treating men as tools,
you could say similar things about men who go for one-night stands only: they don't care about feelings but just want to get laid, basically they go after a tool, not a person
>>135678184
>Seeking a Girlfriend for the End of the WorldIs that any good? The other two are great.[/spoiler
>>135674448
>>135672934
>expecting Jap logic to make sense
The male equivalent to romantic fiction is porn.
gay thread of the year
>>135678359
>or /r9k/ really believes every single woman is part of a secret scheme to diminish and enslave men?
It's not a secret conspiracy, nigger. It's fucking evolution. Women need to inflate the price of their pussies in order to guarantee survival. The earliest men survived by hunting mammoths, the earliest women survived by glueing their lips to the dicks of the guys with the most meat.
Of course we no longer live in caves and hunt for survival, but a few centuries (or in the case of gender """equality""" a few decades) of social development will not change millions of years of evolution.
We see comparable patterns developing in all mammals where gender dimorphism favors the men (ie. in which men are bigger and stronger than women), what makes humans any different?
It is not a conspiracy, it's a clearly observable fact and humanity has worked this way ever since its inception.
>>135671053
>male-oriented romance
What does this mean, harems?
>>135677261
all the slut shaming women in the world far outnumber the number of bitter nerds.
though really, everyone hates sluts, it's not something exclusive to a certain gender or type of people
>>135678695
You know that women did work in hunter-gatherer societies right? They typically did the "gatherer" part of that equation.
The sedentary woman came about due to women turning into a commodity with the advent of meaningful private property and the increasing importance of succession and heirs.
>>135674161
False, DoHouse did a survey of Japanese TV viewers and found HALF of them watched at least one anime show. Besides, look at the Chiba Monorail having oreimo and oregairu characters inside and out, or the Lotte Marines baseball team having anime themed games with seiyuu throwning out balls and anime merch. Anime is huge and mainstream in Japan!
>>135674095
Name a few
>>135672416
>book
oh yeah, that's those Light Novel type things that aren't light, right? By the way, in west Romance Novels are porn for women; romance meida geared toward men is called porn.
>>135678695
I suppose you are implying that:
>strong man (the one who gets laid) = emotionless man only after sex
>"weak" man (the beta) = romantic guy
It's a false dichotomy.
Moreover, the world is not black and white, you don't have Chads on one side and Robots on the other, and among the traits that can make a woman fall for you being a dumb alpha (as opposed to alright alpha) is not the only one.
I'll give you that most, if not all the traits that make women fall for you, come from years of evolution, that made them favor men whose features resulted in successfull offspring (the factors involved in this also include the survival of the woman and that of the kid during his/her first years). Love itself is a product of evolution, the fact that men are capable of certain feelings shows that it had to be an advantage. Going by your logic women should favor strong tool-men, but if that was the case we wouldn't even be discussing the matter now.
And it's not even hard to figure out what kind of advantage caring about your woman means in terms of survival of both the offspring and the mother.
>>135678925
The sedentary housewife is a myth, bro.
>>135679416
Yeah, I was just about to mention that but decided against it. I'm more just talking about the ideal of the sedentary woman, which is actually even more recent than concepts of property.
>>135675132
I suppose the stigma didn't vanish but transform, much like how everyone is a 'gamer' nowadays.
>>135679209
Most anime air at midnight Japanese time, they probably watch something like Gundam which is on Sunday afternoon
>>135679394
>oing by your logic women should favor strong tool-men,
Well, they kind of do. Strong tool-men with a soft spot for them and them alone. This is why women are attracted to Dark Triad traits, traits that are often attributed to fucking sociopaths. An intelligent, well-adjusted, succesful and charming sociopath is literally the ideal man for most women. This is why Fifty Shades of Grey, the story about an obsessive stalker brainwashing a young girl into becoming his sex slave, is considered a romantic story: Christian Grey is intelligent, handsome and rich in addition to being a fucking sociopath.
Hell, we can say the same of BBC's """interpretation""" (more like rape) of Sherlock Holmes: a self-admitted "high functioning sociopath" who is incredibly popular among girls, tumblrinas and non-tumblrinas alike.
>>135678695
I am still this anon>>135679394
Let me add that, after re-reading your post, I can't figure out your point: what does women going for successful men (in terms of evolution) have anything to do with the forming wanting to mass-turn the latter in walking sperm factories?
>>135679729
they have video recorders, some of the really cool models aren't even exported. Like Sony game consoles having record to hard drive, etc.
>>135679881
>strong tool-men
>soft spot for them alone
Being interested in ony one person implies some kind of emotional attachment, by tool-man I meant a "sex driven only" man, the two things do not go together in a long term relationship.
I am not going to argue with the sociopath part, maybe you're right, but I'd be hesitant in fully projecting fantasies (in this case women's) onto real people.
>>135671053
>implying a healthy and sexually confident male can't just read romance novels for fun
>>135680335
fact is it is rare that they would in the west, unless you mean GAY healthy and sexually confident man.
>>135680432
So being able to genuinely enjoy romance stories makes you gay now?
The world is truly twisted.
>>135680325
>by tool-man I meant a "sex driven only" man, the two things do not go together in a long term relationship.
Bruh, what the hell do you think a marriage is? Exclusive sexual access in exchange for money, resources, safety and a certain level of social status. For the grand majority of history love played no role in marriage, and now that it does marriages are collapsing left and right (though that's partially related to the government taking over the role of provider as well, and probably women earning more money too).
Any heterosexual relationship cannot persist unless the man desires the woman's vagina and the woman desires the man's resources (both material and immaterial). A man without resources is useless to a woman, a man without a sex drive will inevitably end up hating women.
>>135680514
No, I only point out the truth of the demographics that read romance novels. I dare you to try to stomach more than one quarter of a Harlequin romance novel, by the way. I started to read relatives copy out of curiosity but it was utter drivel. You can be lover of romance anime (like myself) but that western slop would is repulsive.
>>135680530
Oh come on, you're telling me someone who is just in for the sex would like to settle down with one woman for an extended period of time? Even if that happens, it may work for some time if, as you said, the woman only cares about his resources, but in the long run, if we all were as emotionless as you are implying, the man wouldn't think twice about sticking his dick in someone else's pussy.
I'm not underestimating the importance sex (and, to an extent, wealth, which means protection) has in a relationship, especially given how we (BOTH men and WOMEN) are hard-wired to want to fuck.
That being said, what you're saying is basically this:
-(all) men exclusively want sex in a relationship
-(all) women just want resources (I guess it's intentional not mentioning women wanting sex, too)
-no emotions involved on either side.
Again, it doesn't work like that in a lot, probably most of the cases, nor is it as simple as that.
I am not sure if this "cold" attitude is cool or anything nowadays, but acting cold and disillusioned (I also got some mysoginistic vibes) does not necessarily mean being right or devoid of delusions
As for marriages, staying with the same person for the entirety of life is not something we, as animals, are supposed to do, it's just a human construct. It works for some, it doesn't for others.
Nowadays society is more relaxed towards divorce, and women actually have a word in the matter, you can't compare the current situation with that, for example, of 400 years ago. Hell, even the man having any choice in whom to marry (instead of being forced by the family) is a relatively new thing.
On a side note, in regards to the thread topic, the fact that romance works geared towards men exist, and there is an audience for that, clearly shows that tits and ass are not the only thing we are after, in fiction and, most likely, in reality.
no. books and comics and stuff do it all the time. its just hollywood shit that pander to women. well at least in that way. comics pander to women a lot but differently
>>135681496
>Oh come on, you're telling me someone who is just in for the sex would like to settle down with one woman for an extended period of time?
Well, prior to feminism there were a few other advantages. The guarantee of an heir, someone to look after the household, increased social standing (you think wizards are ostracized now? Try a few centuries ago) etc.
Social changes in the last century or so spearheaded by those who wish to deny the existence of gender as well as scientific advances have robbed men of all the advantages marriage brings save for the sex-for-goods trade (which is the inherrent thing that binds men together, all the other is socially determined), and even that can't even be enforced. A man is no longer allowed to demand sex from his wife, yet a wife can leave a man and still demand half of his present and future income and possessions. Even the heir effectively becomes part of the woman's sphere of influence and can be stolen away by the woman on a whim.
>-(all) men exclusively want sex in a relationship
No, what I'm saying is that -decides some culturally determined factors- sex is the only thing a woman can inherrently offer a man. Women can't offer such things as safety or resources because, in the gigantic grand majority of cases, women refuse to date down.
>-(all) women just want resources (I guess it's intentional not mentioning women wanting sex, too)
Women have a lower sex drive. In terms of bartering, they still get the advantage of sex but because they want it less they are still on the supply side rather than the demand side.
>-no emotions involved on either side.
They can be involved in whatever form they want to be, they simply do not matter in a cost-benefit analysis. In fact, we may consider love to be the mental deficiency that forces men into disadvantageous relations.
I know you're going to call me a fedora tipper, but there are some quite eloquent MGTOW on youtube who go into more detail on this.
>MGTOW
Sorry, you lost me at that.
>>135682124
Fine by me. I'm just saying it's worth checking out if you ever want to see the arguments on the other side of the debate. If you're not interested, good for you.
>>135680721
You could say the same about any medium or genre. There's always going to be piles of shit to wade through. That doesn't mean all romance and anything related to romance is bad.
>>135671053
You see this because you weren't alive before the 90's. Romance and erotica used to not really exist, and what did was dominated by male authors and creators (so it's kinda obvious that it was targeted more at men).
It wasn't until the late 70's/early 80's that female oriented romance and erotica started to be 1) created by women and 2) target women more frequently. By the time the 90's rolled around, it was a pretty even split up into the mid-2000's.
But I definitely do see that, IN THE CURRENT YEAR, it's a fucking marketing meme to aim shit at women because content creators know that SJW's are just the new obsessive fan cult. Much the same as otakus/weebs will by anything anime/Japan related, it's a fair bet that if you put a strong female lead in a female-oriented story (or even better, non-cis oriented story) that the fourth wave feminism types will eat that shit up.
>>135671053
>Is anime the only fiction medium that fully embraces male-oriented romance?
More like Japan's the only place where you can see significant chunks of a medium devoted to this.
Of course the west has this shit. Look at any piece of YA fiction with a male protagonist. Even comedy/dramedy movies and TV shows have this shit, about some generic milquetoast living an average, dreary life, day to day, when suddenly some girl comes in and brings excitement to his life. This got so formulaic and prolific, critics started calling them out on this bullshit and invented terms for it.
You will notice this is basically identical to every "generic MC interacts with dream girl who is madly in love with him" series that Japan cranks out.
>>135679209
I believed this post until it ended with an exclamation mark, then i saw it was retarded.
>>135674161
Jesus Christ you have no idea what you are talking about
>>135671053
And yet anime has more female fans that just about any "nerdy" hobby out there. In fact there are probably more female anime/manga fans than male. Just saying. It's not a boy's club anon.
>>135671053
it's called hentai
