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So will this actually be a good Macross? Or is it already doomed?
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>Caring about Macross after Frontier
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For the anon who wanted the song translation.
>>135636288
>>135636565
I Used the gg translation and made sure it matched up with the full song, but I don't know enough moon to actually do the last 40 or so seconds of it so someone else will have to do that.

I fell in love when I saw his eyes{mitsumeatte koi wo shite}
I went for him with everything I could{mugamuchuu de oikakete}
But I want to know even more about him{dakedo motto shiritakute}
So I'm burning with passion{meramera shiteru}
New questions pop up left and right{negau hou no nazo ga fue}
And my feelings get hotter and stronger{~ hou no netsu ni naru}
So I won't hesitate to go even further into the unknown{dakara motto tobikomu no mikai no sekai}
Everyone has love and dreams{koi to ka yume to ka daredemo shinjirukedo}
But don't make them half-hearted!{sokosoko ~ }
It's a dangerous love{girigiri ai}
I can't go past the borderline{ikenai borderline}
So I'll destroy it all no matter what{nandochi demo subete kowashite miseru}
My head is full{kirikirimai}
I'm going even further{saranaru chi e to}
My mind is melting{ishiki ga tokeru}
I can't control my body{karada wa seigyo funou}
I'm coming{icchau kamone}
I had friends I joked around with{fuzakeatta tomodachi to}
I had a person who was dear to me{motomeatta anohito to}
I know I'll see them again someday{mata aeru hino tame ni}
So I'm always full of life{giragira shiteru}
The brighter the light, the bigger the shadow{hikaruhodo kage wa deki}
The more I burn, the more ashes I make{moeru hodo hai ni naru}
The more I run, the clearer it becomes{hashiru hodo mietekuru}
I see the danger line{abunai line}
I could easily wish for freedom and peace{jiyuu mo heiwa mo nozomeba umareru kedo}
but if I stayed still, I'd rot{motamota shitetara kusacchau yo}
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>>135640131
cont

It's a dangerous love{girigiri ai}
There's no border here{abunai borderless}
It's abnormal, I know{hijoushiki dane}
I'm still accelerating faster{mada kasokushiteiru yo}
My head is full{kirikirimai}
If there's a limit for me{genkaiten nara}
I'll break past it{nurikaete ii}
Destruction and reconstruction{hakai to saisei kara}
That's how I remain myself{watashi ga dekiru}
<instrumental bit>
It's a dangerous love{girigiri ai}
I can't go past the borderline{ikenai borderline}
So I'll destroy it all no matter what{nandochi demo subete kowashite miseru}
My head is full{kirikirimai}
I'm going even further{saranaru chi e to}
My mind is melting{ishiki ga tokeru}
I can't control my body{karada wa seigyo funou}
I'm coming{icchau kamone}
It's a dangerous love{girigiri ai}
I can't go past the borderline{ikenai borderline}
<no idea>

And the song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RevRXCfMzBk
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>>135639964
The plot wasn't the best, but the songs and battles were still pretty good. So as long as Delta lives up to that when I have no problem with it.
Also will enjoy having speculation and waifu war threads every week with /a/ when it airs.
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>5 references per second
even M II, fuck the haters
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Can't be as bad as AKB0048
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>>135640567
I find both the battles and the songs underwhelming on Frontier but in any case, you could watch an AMV rather than watching the show.

Kawamori is washed up
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Could go either way at this point
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>>135640131
>I'm coming{icchau kamone}
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I like how 2chan is shitting on Kawamori too, should be fun
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>>135640752
>Kawamori is washed up
Will still probably be one of the top sellers for spring just because it is Macross. The Ikenai Borderline single is already fairly high on amazon and itunes.
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>>135641280
Care to provide a link?
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Can someone tell me exactly what's wrong with Frontier?
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>>135641844
It was a thread from yesterday, its dead now anon. I'll try looking for a live Deltra thread now, give me a couple of minutes
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>>135641909
Ranka
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>>135639884
It was doomed from the beginning. They should stop galvanizing Macross body, it's died long ago.
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>>135641844
Sorry anon, no Kawamori thread today. There two yesterday though, and one delta thread
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http://mastiff.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime/1451536048/
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>>135639884
It's already AOTY
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>>135641280
>Japan don't like it
Pretty good sign. What did they say about him?
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>>135640742
>AKB
>bad
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>Macross x AKB0048 - AKB48 x Symphogear

The first episode was amazing.
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>>135641909
Serie is kinda shit, movies are great
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>>135639884
Let's give it more than 1 episode, but I do worry about too many cooks spoiling the broth in terms of character.
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>>135642362
Are you sure that isn't the /m/ thread translated to japanese?
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>>135642362
>マクロス初代→ヤマトみたいにリメイクせんか
>マクロス2→そんなものはなかった
>マクロス7→馬鹿が主人公なので見てて辛い
>フロンティア→初代からの正統進化
>Δ→Fでせっかく上げた評価を自らぶち壊す

>このようにマクロスは「ハズレ」が多い、その割に付いて来てくれるファンも多い
楽な商売
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>>135641986
>It was doomed from the beginning.
>it's died long ago
Can't wait to see your assblasted posts when it becomes AOTS next spring and one the top grossing series of 2016.
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>>135642362
Kek, I hope he's right and Okada singlehandedly kill Gundam, IBO is too shit
Not sure Delta will be so popular though
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Honestly she's pretty cute
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>>135642766

IDORU FINDS A WAY
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The character designs are really cute.

It's gonna sell like hotcakes unless it fucks something up bad. They're gonna make so much money off of literally everything they put up for sale.
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>>135642673
>someone claiming something being AOTY
>assblasted
Back to MAL you goes.
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>>135642610

Do people not consider Plus relevant to the franchise?
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>>135640131
>>135640206
This brought me so much happiness! Anon I will forever remember your kindness <3
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>>135643194

Man that show got real fucking boring real fast.
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>>135639884
Maki Maki BEST girl
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>>135639964
You don't have to watch. Fuck off.
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>>135643124
Learn to read retard. I said AOTS not AOTY. Delta will sell like hotcakes and no amount of shitposts is going to change that.
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>>135639884
At the very least, i think it will be a good one of those "satelight idol/mecha shows"
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>>135642511
Really according to >>135642362
They're actually predicting that it'll be popular.
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>>135640131
>>135640206
Gee. It's like they're trying to make us predict plot points from the song.
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>>135643905
>plot points
and they are?
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>>135639884
There is no such thing as a bad Macross. They were all flawless. You are an idiot.
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>>135643891
Doesn't mean they're all happy with it though
>Δは多分成功するんだろうが、個人的に無理
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>>135643851
Oh, that's changing everything, right.
>Delta will sell like hotcakes and no amount of shitposts is going to change that.
Like any of your other regular idol anime, this time with "Macross" plastered on it? It has to try to fail, though I'm sure Kawamori will do everything possible. It doesn't change fact that Macross died long ago and all we see is his decaying body moving due electricity. Might as well call it Idol@KB #472.
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>>135644631
>Oh, that's changing everything, right.
Right. As if you know anything, autist.

>It doesn't change fact that Macross died long ago
Stay delusional tripfag. Macross hasn't lost steam especially when Frontier was an overwhelming hit. Delta will obviously be just as successful if not more. Cry more please.
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>>135644591
The same applies to every other popular anime, so no big deal. Frontier was pretty meh and was not universally liked either despite the success.
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Macross Δ = (Macross F + AKB0048) / 2 

Accurate as fuck.
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>>135641280
He deserves it after the whole thing with Aquarion.
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>>135645088
Maybe a little bit of 7 thrown in there in the middle of the show. The show is silly enough as it is
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>>135644335
>>135640131
>My head is full{kirikirimai}
>I'm going even further{saranaru chi e to}
>My mind is melting{ishiki ga tokeru}
>I can't control my body{karada wa seigyo funou}

Referencing Var?

>I'm coming{icchau kamone}
>I had friends I joked around with{fuzakeatta tomodachi to}
>I had a person who was dear to me{motomeatta anohito to}
>I know I'll see them again someday{mata aeru hino tame ni}

There will be a brainwashing or betrayal.

Throw enough at the wall, and it might stick.
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>>135644989

Δ has had mixed receptions compared to Frontier. We'll see how it goes. It will likely do well, yes; but for a lot of people on /a/, the bar with Frontier was set very high with the pilot & love interest.

I mean, hell, even now, Mikumo is being looked at as a psuedo-Sheryl in the show, and we don't even have the full first episode yet. That speaks volumes.
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>>135645231

The second half seems more like character death than betrayal or brainwashing.
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>>135644989
Go back to MAL raging retard.
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>>135644591
They're people who like it and people who don't. It's nothing new.
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>>135645175
They really couldn't fix the proportions of Zentadi since 7. They appear like 10 times the size of a normal human when the average Zentradi is 5-6 times only. Klan appears 15m tall when that was how big Britai was.
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>>135640131
/a/ sings when?
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>>135644631
Frontier was a big hit when it aired. The fact that it garnered enough of a fan base to rent out the Budokan twice and had a fashion line should have told you that.
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>>135643851
>Delta will sell like hotcakes

Just like AKB0048 right? Better hope they Symphogear the shit out of this and have an event ticket in every volume because if Gundam couldn't sell 20k with a discount then there's no way in hell Macross title will.
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>>135645300
Nice original meme tripfag. Now get your ass back to /reddit/.
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>>135645449
>Frontier was a big hit when it aired.
So? Delta ain't Frontier you're making assumptions based on nothing especially since Macross has never been a consistent high seller and Frontier was the exception.
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>>135645466
AKB0048's biggest problem was AKB48. On top of that it was an original anime. Also if you knew MF sold like hotcakes, surpassing Gundam, and was one of the highest grossing anime of its years.
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>>135645466
>Gundam couldn't sell 20k with a discount
Maybe that's because IBO is utter shit
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>>135645602
It's still a part of the Macross brand, which alone gives it recognition also it's idol shit omnipandering it'll sell.

>in before AKB48
AKB48 is pretty much a joke in Japan.
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>>135645713

Still waiting on anime adaptation of AKB49.
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>>135645609
>Also if you knew MF sold like hotcakes, surpassing Gundam, and was one of the highest grossing anime of its years.
Frontier sold less than SEED and Gundam SEED Destiny.
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>>135645624
So was Frontier.
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>>135645713
>It's still a part of the Macross brand, which alone gives it recognition
Yep sure did help Zero.
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>>135645713

Please, speak out your ass more.
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>>135645737
Again AKB48 as in the group itself is a joke so like

>>135645837
GSeed/ Destiny's
2002-03/ 2005

Frontier
2008
>surpassing Gundam, and was one of the highest grossing anime of its years.

Anon...
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>>135645609
>Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED 2002 Fall 58,939 28,341 87,280 ¥4,597.3
>Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED DESTINY 2004 Fall 68,959 24,312 93,271 ¥5,378.8
>Macross Frontier 2008 Spring 46,297 16,206 62,503 ¥2,583.2 Satelight
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>>135645837
SEED was released years before Frontier. Frontier's main competition was Gundam 00 since they aired roughly the same time and it beat the shit out of it.
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>>135646042
Are you purposely being stupid?
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>this many threads from a preview cast that wasn't even a full episode
>the amount of threads when the anime officially starts airing

Words cannot describe the feelings I feel.

>>135646042

Might be, but AKB49 is actually a really enjoyable manga. Though, the neck proportions in some of the two page spreads make me cringe harder than the earth does during Mag 9 quakes.
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>>135645928
Understand something OAVS are not TV series.
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>>135646042
>>135646089
>Released within the same decade
>It surpassed Gundam
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>>135646102
>>135646149

See>>135646089
And stop acting like an idiot.
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>>135646137
Unicorn says hi!
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>>135646149
>>135646188
Literally said the years it aired are you illiterate anon?
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>>135646173
You're directing me to a post I already quoted. How the fuck did Frontier surpass Gundam when SEED was released within the same timespan you dumb fucking idiot.
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>>135646188

Sunrise has literally infinite money though. Unicorn had practically movie quality production values PER episode. That said, Zero is still enjoyable all this time later. Zero didn't do well during airing, but overall--since then, it probably has done well.
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>>135646250
>years
Frontier aired 2 years after Destiny ended.
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>>135646269
>That said, Zero is still enjoyable all this time later
No its not, it was fucking terrible and like Frontier was an anniversary series.
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>>135646257
You do realize that there was a Gundam series that was airing around 2008 right?
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>>135639884
My expectattion are low enough to me even consider if I should give it the 3 episode rule.
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>>135646330

>I liked it
>no you didn't, because I said so

Uh, sure.
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>>135645231
Probably Mirage is going to get mind-controlled and Hayate has to kill her to stop Var from going out of control. Until he decides to kiss her.
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>>135646333
You do realize there there was Gundam that aired in 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 right?
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>>135645238
That's just indicative of how newfag /a/ is and how Frontier was most of them's first Macross. Which isn't to say Frontier wasn't good; at the time, the CGI was amazing for TV anime standards.
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>>135646299
So before Frontier aired and I literally said the years Frontier aired. Not showing your reading comprehension are you?
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>>135646366
So you have shit taste.
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>>135646173
You just wanna cherrypick and only see data favorable to your propaganda. Had it beaten seed then you would had included it too and said IT TOTALLY CRUSHED THE WILDLY POPULAR SEED TOO. But because it didn't you exclude it with your arbitrary timeframe.
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How long until she dies?
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>>135646409
>at the time, the CGI was amazing for TV anime standards.
Hell to the fuck no. Frontier's CG was terrible even back then.
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>>135646385
Anon
>of its years

>>135646446
Except I never said that anon, are you by any chance, stupid?
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>>135646421

So do you.

>>135646478

Episode 8.
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>>135646478
I can't do that hand thing without help from my other hand.
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>>135646478

>implying

I SING, I DIE, I SING AGAIN
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>>135644591
That's 2ch.
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>>135646411
You said Frontier was the top selling anime of its years which is also wrong because Unicorn beat the shit out of it. You lose again Macrossfag.
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>>135646539
Anon, which Gundam series aired on 2008?
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>Macross used to have badass soldiers piloting jets that turned into giant robots and they put dumbass pacifist pussy civvies in their place
>now the idol civvies are the badass soldiers piloting the robots and the peaceful pacifists are suicide bombers

Macros...has changed
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>>135646539
Holy shit, he clearly meant it surpassed 00, now stop trying to stir up shitposting. These are going to be threads to avoid after airing day, I can already tell.
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>>135646573
Anon which Gundam series aired after 2008?
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>>135646668
Ranka will never get that bishie dick she craves.
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>>135646674
>he clearly meant it surpassed 00,
see
>>135645609
>Also if you knew MF sold like hotcakes, surpassing Gundam
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>Gundamfags shitposting on a Macross thread fearing that Delta will shit over their franchise again
What a time to be alive.
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>>135646668

To be fair though, the preview episode of Frontier was 46 minutes long. The preview episode for Delta is 18 minutes.

Unless the first episode will be 46 minutes too in three months, I don't think it's a fair comparison to make.
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>>135646668
> they put dumbass pacifist pussy civvies in their place
Basara was twenty years ago, anon. You're a bit late on the "Macross has changed" thing.
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>>135646668
>Macross used to have badass soldiers piloting jets that turned into giant robots
Why do people think this somehow disappeared?
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>>135646705

That's obvious. Alto wanted a woman, not a little girl.
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RIP Macross
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>>135646478
She is the "green"(before her transformation)
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>>135646736
That's why I said "meant" and not "said" or "wrote." You pointed it out, he clarified like five times that he wasn't claiming it surpassed SEED or Unicorn, now let it go.
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Y-y-y-y-you can't compare it to Frontier because they didn't come out at the same time!

BD Box sales

>49,996 Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED >42,753 Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED Destiny
>16,206 Macross Frontier
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>cute idorus on the good side
>cute bishounens on the bad side

Well, it's going to sell like hotcakes if they don't fuck up.
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can I watch this without seeing the old ones?
I do plan on watching it all, I'm just curious if I can join in while it's airing
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>>135646820

I'll admit, idol dancing with holography and valkyries doing choreographic dance moves prior to taking off, in the foreground while a city burns and there's explosions in the sky is VERY cringe inducing. Not RIP, but on death's door.
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>>135646739
>fearing that Delta will shit over their franchise again
Yep just like Frontier shit all over SEED and Unicorn right? What's that? Thought so.
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>>135646042
>Again AKB48 as in the group itself is a joke so like
Are you retarded or something. They're almost the only group who reaches the one million mark on sales. Of course, anime fans hate them, but that doesn't mean they're a "joke" like you say.
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>>135646892
Pretty much all Macross are standalone but you should watch the older ones anyway because they reference each other a lot
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>>135646892
Yes. All you'll be missing is easter eggs and references. You have until April.
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>>135646705
>>135646802
>Sheryl and Alto live a happy married life
>Ranka has to meet and greet gross otaku on the regular just to stay popular.
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>>135639884
Is anyone else not feeling the songs this time? It just felt so meh.
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>>135646959
>>135646936
thanks friendos
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>>135645713
>It's still a part of the Macross brand, which alone gives it recognition also it's idol shit omnipandering it'll sell.
Not sure what's sadder? The fact that you think the Macross brand means anything especially after Macross 30 bombed, the fact that you believe all idol anime sell well or the fact you believe this is omnipandering which is dumb in itself.
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Ok so they are using the songs to neutralize this evil song, and the Delta Wing is providing support if the mission becomes to dangerous

But why the fuck did they need the idols turning into magical girls and fighting against giant Zentradi mechs with their fists????
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>>135647065

Because they need to go one step further from Sheryl piloting a Valkyrie. Each Macross tries to outdo the preceding story, regardless of whether the stories are related or not.
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>>135647065
>????
I thought eight years was a long enough cooldown period that we'd avoid underage newfags, but I guess not. Fuck off.
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>>135647065
Merchandising.
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>>135646909
Frontier wasn't directly competing with SEED or Unicorn on its airing you dumb cunt. Not to mention Unicorn was ahigh budget OVA series. 00 fucked up against Frontier despite being a 4 cour series.
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>>135647065
>why the fuck did they need the idols turning into magical girls
They're using the clothes changing technology that has been around since DYRL and popularized by Sheryl
>and fighting against giant Zentradi mechs with their fists
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>135646668
You still get badass Destroid pilots protecting civvies against other giant robot/monsters/zentradi.
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>>135647223
>Frontier wasn't directly competing with SEED or Unicorn on its airing you dumb cunt.
You do realize this goes 00 too right?
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>>135647223
Hey, dumbfuck! Frontier aired after 00 finished airing its first season and finished airing when 00 came back on the air for its second. You're just purposely using 00 because you don't want to admit you're wrong.
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>>135647399
>Hey, dumbfuck!
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>>135647399
>>135647314

>>135645609
>of its years
You're arguing with what looks like an ESL who has now made it clear what he actually meant several times.
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>>135647399
>Frontier aired after 00 finished airing its first season and finished airing when 00 came back on the air for its second
No you fucking retard. Gundam 00 first aired November 2008 and Frontier aired April 2008. Do your fucking homework first before post newfag.
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Fuck me, I can't stop listening to Ikenai Borderline. I hope all the songs will be this good and not mediocre like the other one from the preview episode.
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>>135647596
>Gundam 00 first aired November 2008 and Frontier aired April 2008.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_00
>October 6, 2007
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>>135647586
Kid, ya lost. Give it a rest already. Frontier was neither the top selling series of its decade or after, its time for you to accept that
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>>135647657
And it still did shit again Frontier. 00 was a 2 seasons 2 cours long each.
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>>135647737
>And it still did shit again Frontier.
Frontier aired in the Spring 2008
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>>135647721
>implying I'm the first guy
>implying anyone except you was talking about the decade
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Oh for fucks sake. Give it a rest already. Who gives a shit what happened when. Frontier aired. Some people liked it, others did not. It did well enough for Delta to get greenlit and made.

THE. FUCKING. END.
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>>135647813
>It did well enough for Delta to get greenlit and made.
There was gonna be a new Macross regardless of how well Frontier did.
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>>135647762
Your point? They both aired the same year and 00 fell flat to Frontier.
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>>135647721
>>135647764
>>135647586
How about those of you who give enough of a shit look up BD sales of Gundam 00 and Macross Frontier respectively and match up the numbers. I'm going to take a guess and say that their numbers are similar because unlike you assholes, Japanese people aren't locked in a dumb tumblr-tier fandom war.
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>>135647852

Ok. So? Is the shitposting gonna continue for the next five hours?
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>>135647879
>They both aired the same year
See
>>135647657
>2007

Whelp
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>>135647903
>I have no idea what is being argued or about the things that are being argued
Fuck off.
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Any talk of sales for Frontier is meaningless without mentioning the more than half a million CD sales.
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>>135647974
At this point I'm pretty sure nobody here knows or cares. I don't even get what you're all trying to do anymore.
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>>135647903
>Japanese people aren't locked in a dumb tumblr-tier fandom war
>implying
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>>135647903

>Macross Frontier 2008 Spring 46,297 16,206 62,503 ¥2,583.2
>Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 2007 Fall 39,353 5,519 44,872 ¥1,541.4 Sunrise
>Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 S2 2008 Fall 34,601 5,519 40,120 ¥1,425.5
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>>135648042
I'm going to guess that everyone here except you knows what the BD sales numbers are, since even if you didn't know already, they've been posted several times ITT without dispute. Which you would know if you'd read the thread, and not doing that is exactly why you don't know what's being argued. So shut the fuck up and stop trying to be the voice of reason or whatever when you don't even know what you're talking about.
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>not the usual Macross trope
What the fuck does Kawamori even mean
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>>135648752

Man, that show was great.
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That ending song was great
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>>135648935
GIRI GIRI AI
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IKENAI IKENAI
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>>135649121

That sexy VF-29
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TENENENENEN BORDERLIIIINE
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>>135644501
>There is no such thing as a bad Macross.
Macross II was pretty fucking bad and the last third or or so of Zero was more-or-less an incoherent mess.

But yeah, it certainly has many more hits than misses - especially if you count AKB0048.
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>>135640131
>>135640206
>Pineapple: the song

Dis 'gon be gud.
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>>135641922
what's wrong with ranka?
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>>135640131
>I Used the gg translation
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The lyrics and the timing when they start singing Ikenai Borderline really implies that there will be romance with the Aerial Knights
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>rankafags
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>>135652143
>frontierfags
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>>135652143
Will there be tears
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>>135652661
I watched frontier recently and it's not even funny how much better sheryl is compared to ranka.
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>>135652801
They're different, /a/non.
Ranka superior.
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>>135652801
And I don't care. Frontier is shit. Go watch SDF you pleb.
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So I always knew Macross was a thing mostly due to
>pic related
and other things, but I've never delved into deeper than the understanding that there are alien girls that sing on stages that is somehow a relevant thing and there are planes that fight.

But I decided to watch the first thing ever related to it, which is delta.

And after 5 minutes I think I understood that this is literally an idol mecha.

If that is the case I kind of want to see this now.

Are there any recommended series to start with or an order or something?
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>>135653311
Chronological. Always. To anything and not just Macross
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>>135653311
Each Macross saga is self-contained, but chronological is the way to go.
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>>135653418
1. The Super Dimension Fortress Macross
2. Macross: Do You Remember Love?
3. Macross II
4. Macross Plus
5. Macross 7
6. Macross Zero
7. Macross Frontier

Is this all? I looked it up but there are too many re-makes adaptations, movies and OVAs.
I think this is all though?
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It doesn't matter if it's good or bad, if it's macross and contains triangles/mechas/singing I'll watch it
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>>135653589
Watch 7's OVAs and movie if you'll enjoy 7, as well as Frontier's
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>>135639884
Its silliness reminds me a bit of 7, which is a good sign. Gives me the same fired up feeling.
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>>135639884
The only good Macross was the original and DYRL.
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>>135653728
Let's just hope they don't reuse footage, though I suppose you can't get away with that these days
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>>135653755
Unless you're Ikuhara.
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I'll just leave this here. Take it with a grain of salt.

http://www.animemaru.com/harmony-gold-to-adapt-macross-delta-as-robotech-spin-off/
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>>135649158
>VF-29
You mean 19?
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>>135653886
Even if it's true I don't really care, since I can watch Macross anyway. Localized versions are only a problem if you can't get a hold of the original version
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>>135653886
>Macross Delta
>not Macross Delta, Aquarion Logos, and AKB0048 all together
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>>135653886
>>135653916
m8s it's animemaru
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>>135639964
And the problem with Frontier was?

While Gundam was going full retard with SEED, Macross Fontier was pretty much just like every other Macross but with a bigger budget
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>>135653755
Depends on the stock footage and song they'll use
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>you will never dance with the angels
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>>135653955
To me, the problem with Frontier besides minor shit like "You're my wings!" is that it felt rushed. Too many things happened too fast to fit in 25 episodes, because of the whole 25 years since SDF Macross gimmick
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>>135653983
Don't make me sad
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>>135643189
Japs didn't like Plus

Only International audience cares about Plus.

I always laugh at all these idiots that come in and go MACROSS IS SHIT NOW BECAUSE IT HAS IDOLS AND ALL THIS FUCKING SINGING, WHY CANT THEY BE MORE LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS WITH PLUS

Regardless of what people that aren't the target audience and are outside of its legal distribution areas decide is what is 'really Macross', Delta is very much in the tradition of SDF and Macross 7.
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>>135654079
I love plus

Does that mean I am not a macross fan?
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>>135654015
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>>135654151
No, it just means that you're irrelevant marketwise and like a spinoff more than the mainline.

And that's okay, but you're like the guy that loves War in the Pocket and can't stand 0079 and Zeta.
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>>135654151
Do you refuse to finish the others and wish they were all like Plus instead of some stupid cutesy singing bullshit?
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>>135653886
>animemaru

You retarded or something?
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>Gay villain squad
Dropped
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>>135654198
>>135654215

I was trying to bait an insult, but I actually like frontier, DYRL, SDF, and am hoping that delta is good. The only thing I really care about is the dogfights. I just want them to be interesting to watch, and I usually get it

I still haven't finished 7, the stock footage is killing me
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>>135654240
Are you a dense cunt? I knew it was already fake. That's why I said to take it with grain of salt.
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if they can make a good mecha show out of idolmaster, they can make a good idolmaster out of macross
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>>135654266
He have bunch of onee-san, bet he will in the Kaname triangle.
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>>135654345
It's a rhetorical question since you had an animemaru link in the first place, idiot
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>>135654079
>original Macross: war with aliens, adventure, space opera, love, drama, badass pilots with badass jets, idols, cultural shock
>sequels: idols, more idols, more songs, songs rule universe, ayy lmaos
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>>135654360
> if they can make a good mecha show out of idolmaster
But they couldn't do that.
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It could potentially be better than frontier, but it won't be able to approach the brilliance of 7.

>>135654360
This isn't gonna be like idolmaster at all, I don't see any cute girls doing cute entertainment industry things here.
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anyone have any macross kits?

what models do you have/would get?
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>>135654400
>aliens
>ayy lmaos
My memes are out of date if there's a difference.
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>>135654400
Are you trying to imply that 7 and Frontier didn't both have everything you listed for the original?

Did you actually watch either? Get out.
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>>135654266
From all the pilots I really hate this guy
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>>135654400
Macross became popular because of Lynn Minmay, they just made use of that
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>>135654295
7 is bad because the entire Battle fleet is cucked into letting Basara being a hippie.
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>>135654476
It has Gamlin, Max and Millia so it's okay.
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>>135654476
7 Is amazing because no one wants to admit basara is right until he demonstrates that all you have to do is listen to the damn song and everything will turn out good.

Anyone who listens to his song becomes an ally. The enemy pilots. The command structure. The civilians. The rivals. The ancient evil. The audience.

Just listen to his song already.
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>>135654385
You can fuck off with your rhetorical question since you're taking it that personally.
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>>135654266
>tfw I thought he was a girl or three whole days
My dick hasn't recovered. Where will I get my batshit tomboy pilot now?
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>>135654476
Thank god for Basara
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Do you remember love, /a/?
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>>135654519
Yeah, it sure great that the horseshit god space demon's one sole weakness just so happens to be his, and his alone, singing!

I think this would have been a better theme if we didn't have to craft an enemy specifically for him to beat.
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>>135654569
Quick, name a single enemy in macross who isn't completely defeated by proper application of singing.
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>>135654546
Such an autistic cunt.
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>>135640131
>My head is full{kirikirimai}
>I'm going even further{saranaru chi e to}
>My mind is melting{ishiki ga tokeru}
>I can't control my body{karada wa seigyo funou}
>I'm coming{icchau kamone}
That's really lewd.
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>>135654569
Have you ever tried to move a mountain by singing? No? Then fuck you
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>>135654593
Sasuga j-pop
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>>135654569
Also, Basara hardcountered the Protodevils mainly by totally believing in and feeling what he was doing. Anyone could have had Anima Spiritia, but only Basara had the single-mindedness to drive himself to sing that hard.
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I guess these pretty boys are gonna be needing some deculturing eh?
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All this Basara is making me want to rewatch the ova and whale movie
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>>135654476 here, >>135654569 nailed it. This show is two dimensional: mindless testosterone-driven singing and SPIRTIA FARMM AAAAAAAAAA

>>135654505
Gamlin was definitely my most liked character by far but in the end he still got cucked to hell by Mylene. The fact Mylene fell for such a HARD-HEADED-ITS-JUST-THE-WAY-HE-IS one dimensional character really unleashed my FURY about Macross 7.

Max and Miria were LITERAL fanservice. The fact they rarely mentioned specific past events and only vague ideas about their past makes me think these are random people who just happen to have the names Max and Miria and are married.
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>>135654751
You didn't listen to the song.

Also, you're crazy if you think gamlin lost. Basara only loves space vampires, mountains, whales, and rock.
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>>135654676
So yet again, only the main character is the one with the magical power to stop the demons, because he's the only one that crazy about singing.

It's still a special ability that was invented in the series just so he can be the most useful.
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>>135654795
Such a man
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>>135654580
SDF and DYRL didn't need science to explain this application of singing.


SDF/DYRL: Zentran experienced culture shock, then realized that they were brainwashed wasting their lives not enjoying themselves.
Macross 7: SONG ENERGY LOL IT BEATS THE BAD GUYS
Macross Frontier: AN IDOL HAPPENS TO BE ABLE TO CREATE FOLD WAVES BY SINGING SEEMINGLY A COINCIDENCE IT BEATS THE BAD GUYS
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>>135654795
Best Boy

>>135654751
How often do you talk about shit that happened to you 30 years ago and is only tangentially related to what is going on?

They did at least give them their kiss on the Zentradi ship.

>>135654812
I don't think you understand how much this nigga likes singing.
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>>135654843
The science in 7 explaining the singing was just the characters missing the point. The protodevil victims were drained of their spirit and were in a sort of depression, and Basara's music helped them get out of it over a period of extended exposure. The main Protodevils could not make this on their own until they got the damn songs stuck in their heads, and tried singing themselves.

They realized that, by singing, they can cheer their own depressed asses up and fucked off into space.
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>>135654844
I just expected that with including Max/Miria, they might have well just whipped out the entire fanservice thesaurus. Although Max/Miria hardly an issue compared to the rest of the cast sans Gamlin.
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>>135654843
Are you a hard sci-fi fag or something? It all works because the plot says it should, for the same basic reasons, mainly that the creator and the audience both like solving battles with the power of song.
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>>135654911
>flower girl never mattered
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>>135654935
I even forgot about flower girl
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>>135654707
>whale movie
Dynamite 7 is the single best thing about the 7 era. Even better than Emilia. Even better than Macross-MTV making Ray white.
>tfw Angel Voice

>>135654935
Flower Girl is even less relevant than the Humming Birds.
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>>135654935
Hey, she managed to give it in the end
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>>135654955
She might be the least relevant, but I love her the most.

She's better than every other macross girl.
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>>135654843
Frontier only really needed to explain why Ranka and Sheryl could leap past a "language" issue. Otherwise they were literally just connecting to and hijacking a hive's communication network.
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>>135654955
That face
>do my piano-guitar skills intimidate you
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>>135654931
I guess my point is that Macross 7 and onwards, it seems too corny to be taken seriously.
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>>135655007
Why did you ever take macross seriously in the first place? Did you watch the same SDF that I did? That shit got whacky.
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>>135654843
>Macross Frontier: AN IDOL HAPPENS TO BE ABLE TO CREATE FOLD WAVES BY SINGING SEEMINGLY A COINCIDENCE IT BEATS THE BAD GUYS
>

It beats the bad guys by freeing the Vajra from their mind control and communicating with them to make peace, which, hey, sounds an awful lot like exactly what happened in SDF.
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FIRE!
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Mylene was such a jailbait back then now that I think about it
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>>135655007
I don't know how you could take an idol solving everything by singing about love in the middle of a battlefield seriously and then call other things too corny, honestly.
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>>135655007
>SDF
>not camp as fuck
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>>135654751
I'm torn because I don't think Macross Seven is the worst thing ever, or "ruined the series", but I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

I nearly dropped this series twice. Once when those Protodeviln revealed that they have an ANTI-FOLD FIELD that they wiped up out of nowhere, and then secondly when they made it look like they killed Gamlin off, and I wasn't going to put up with having the only character I like get murdered

Mainly because I don't like the main character, and the series is pretty crafted around making it that the insanity that he brings to the series THE WEAPON against these goddamnable space alien demons that are seemingly unstoppable.
now, having the main character do things, or be the strongest isn't an alien idea, the issue is that in Macross (or at least in the earlier series), even if you were an ace pilot, you couldn't win the war by yourself, end of story. Instead, everything revolves around his ability to sing. I'm not saying "GRR, MUH GUNS AND MISSILES!", but for fuck's sake, the Protodeviln are nigh-invincible, and can pull out whatever horseshit magic trick out of their bag that they want, and the only thing that works on them is this guy's singing.
The Macross Cannon? Fuck no.
Folding? Fuck no.
Max's genius piloting and diving into the planet, planting a reaction weapon, and escaping in the nick of time? Fuck no, Protodevlin field!
Only Basara's singing can do it!

Yeah, I know "anyone can have Anima Spirita", but everyone not in Fire Bomber is worthless. Yeah, I remember what they did the Hummingbirds, they were useless. Can nobody else on the Macross Seven sing or care about it that much?

Outside of the rare flashes of him being an inspiring character, most of it is spent of him being an obnoxious hippy or blaming his problems on other people. If your main character is going to be a such a static character, then he should be one that uplifts the other characters and helps them through their problems.
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>>135655020
The concept of a singer going on missions to sing le song tops any wacky stunts that happened in SDF in my opinion.
>>135655025
In SDF, that shit didn't happen so suddenly. All of that crap in Frontier was literally wrapped up in one episode which just felt really fucking rushed. I think if Delta doesn't rush the conclusion as fast as Frontier then it can stand a chance at being better but I guess it ultimately comes down to sales
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Get comfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpavXg01CAE
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>>135655098
>Outside of the rare flashes of him being an inspiring character, most of it is spent of him being an obnoxious hippy or blaming his problems on other people. If your main character is going to be a such a static character, then he should be one that uplifts the other characters and helps them through their problems.
He does help them through their space vampire problem, which is the biggest problem afflicting the fleet.

I can kind of see how someone would not enjoy his hippy antics as much as I did, but I don't recall him ever blaming any of his problems and someone else. Do you have an example?

I think the point was that he was right from the start, and everyone else needed to see how he was right. The main character doesn't need to develop if the point is to use him to develop the entire rest of the cast.

>>135655158
>le
Go away.
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>>135654476
>7 is bad because the entire Battle fleet is cucked into letting Basara being a hippie.

You managed to say what I wanted to say in just one sentence.
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>>135655057
>now that I think about it
Anon, during Dynamite 7, Mylene spent the entire time getting drugged and almost raped.
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>>135655207
>Almost
Jake, pls
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>>135655191
>He does help them through their space vampire problem, which is the biggest problem afflicting the fleet.
That's him doing the thing he wants to do with the enemies that he wants to sing to.

I'm talking about helping the other characters through their problems or drama.

There's bits and pieces of this in the OVA when he tells that girl that wants to be his apprentice that she should just sing to her heart's content and that's good enough, but there's hardly any of that in the TV series.
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>>135645175
If she had shown up more, I'd probably end up with a giantess fetish.

That singing match they did was really good.
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>>135655238
Now she can never be a bride.

But really, Mylene's sideplot during Dynamite 7 was hilarious.
>Gee, where's Basara?
>OH SHIT RAPE
>Phew, thank god I escaped. Now, it's finally time to go join Basara in the main plo-FUCK, IT'S OVER
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>>135648752
Oh, I thought making fun of other shows that directly was looked down upon.
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>>135655255
I don't think that sort of drama would have improved the show. Basara is a character with a purity of purpose. He does exactly what he wants to and absolutely nothing else. I think it would hurt the character if it turned out he was a therapist to anyone who needed his help. It would tack on something unnecessary to the character. He's great because he's great at what he does because it's all he does, and all he knows. If he does something else, like communicate with people like a normal human being, it would weaken him in my eyes and make him less distinctive.
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>>135655007
Yeah because dressing up a mech to infiltrate an enemy base was super serious tactics.
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>>135655368
yes
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>>135655426
What a sack of shit.
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>>135655337
Then got married of to Gamlin down the line. Millia's nag has got to get to her at some point
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>>135655355
If he's a static character, he doesn't have to change, things just needs to be written that the message that he's trying to get across helps the other characters more than hardly. Outside of Fire Bomber fans, everyone thought he was a annoyance until it turns out that the magical enemy nobody can defeat can be stopped by him.
I can't think of one character that had been helped by his philosophy in life outside of the Anima Spirita bit. That's my problem.

My issue is that a lot of him being in the center stage relied a lot on convenience of the plot and setting. Instead this weird guy that's seeing life on another plane, and other people learning from him while he's just being himself, he just gets to be a hippie and the center of the universe at the same time.

Besides that, the show had drama in it anyway, so why not put more utility into this character?
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>>135655426
Whenever I see this character, I get sad
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>>135655502
I hope we get a cameo of them happily married.
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Finally got around to watching the episode, judging by the thread I guess I'm one of the few looking forward to it. Can't wait for more Mikumo.
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>>135655588
He pedaled a bike to the moon anon, that's human testament to will
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>>135655609
Nah, there's been a positive reaction in earlier threads, but one episode can only fuel so much posting, so we discuss earlier series now.
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>>135655609
She got pineapple salad written all over her anon
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When was the last time you decultured a fleet of rabid giant women made for war anon?
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>>135655617
See, that's a fever dream and doesn't count.

What DOES count, though, is that the fucker wrapped a scarf around his face and jumped into space outside Pluto to nab a giant tuna floating outside. Truly a man among men.
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>>135655653
I know ;_;
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>>135654266
He is 15, green is 15 and Freyja is 14 years old. Twins are 16 years old. You can have a polygon.
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>>135655609
>I guess I'm one of the few looking forward to it
We're quite a lot actually. There's just a lot of hater and shitposters as well.
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>>135655802
>green
green idol
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>>135646668
>Macross used to have badass soldiers piloting jets that turned into giant robots and they put dumbass pacifist pussy civvies in their place
Delta platoon have badass soldiers: Arad, Chuck, Messer.
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>Red has older sisters
But do they bully him? This is important.
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>>135655930
He is the youngest. He totally was bullied by them.
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>>135655930
It's a given
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Best girl.
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>>135655951
>>135655930
Perfect.
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>listened to GIRI GIRI AI enough times to hate it
I want the soundtrack already, too bad there's no full version of the first Walkure track.
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Haha, what
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>>135655609
Same magical hair as Freyja's and bishonens squad.
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>>135655951
>>135655980
According to official he didn't get bullied, he get treat like a king by his sisters.
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>>135655663
>>135655617
I'm talking about what happened to his voice actor.
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>>135656081
That's cute too.
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>>135656081
>nee-chans loving and pampering otouto
>nee-chans playing with his hair
Nice, very nice.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOmwtAXVI00

This scene is the best I have ever seen.
I will never forget the moment the whales started singing.
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>>135656718
I should get the new release
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>>135654556
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>>135654826
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Are they going to stay for a while in Al Shahal or is the main setting going to be on Laguna or wherever?
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>>135658977
Freyja's already made it clear she wants to go to Laguna and Hayate doesn't seem to have any attachment to the planet, he's just trying to find his calling.

I have a feeling the setting it going to be their system on the whole rather than centred around a base of operations.
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>>135659061
>Freyja's already made it clear she wants to go to Laguna
There's no need to do that unless Laguna is the Walkure base, she went there to do an audition. Unless someone stops her before she gets to them in the next few seconds, or if Windmereans can't join for some reason, they've already found their singer.
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>>135646883
There's no good side or bad side, it's always MISUNDERSTANDING in Macross.

The real bad guy appears later/is the third party that provokes the misunderstanding.
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>>135658977
Most likely Laguna, no one in the cast cares for Al Shahal.
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>>135639884
Dude, macross is always about idol.
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>Zero - One singer
>Macross - One singer
>Plus - One singer
>7 - Rock group with two singers
>Frontier - Two singers
>Delta - A fucking idol group
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>>135649674
How do you count 0048 among Macross?
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>>135659183
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>>135639964
>disliking frontier
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>>135659234
>>Plus - One singer

Sharon Apple should count and she was fucking HUGE.
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>>135659313
Sharon's the one I counted. There was another one? It's been years since I watched it.
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>>135659356
Myung.

Zero had two singers too: Mao and Sara.
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I thought Lady M was Mikumo but she's not group's head of operations, just the singer. Anyone else on the character pages who might fit, or is it Mikumo after all?
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>>135645928
>>135646330
>>135649674
>mfw I actually immensely liked Zero
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>>135659438
Kaname Buccaneer (red idol that most likely has a romance with Messer) is the idol group leader.

Lady M most likely someone that we haven't seen yet.
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>>135659438
My guess that lady M might be their planet's president or something like this.
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Freyja a cute. Genki girls can be fucking shrill but she's not too over the top and has drive.

Usually running into battle like that is retarded but she didn't even want to, she literally couldn't help it thanks to the glowing tentacle.
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Ages:

Ernest Johnson 40
Arad Mölders 33

Chuck Mustang 24
Kaname Buccaneer 22
Messer Ihlefeld 21

Roid Brehm 20
Keith Aero Windermere 19
Makina Nakajima 18
Mirage Farina Jenius 18
Hayate Immelmann 17
Theo Jussila 16
Xao Jussila 16
Bogue Con-Vaart 15
Reina Prowler 15
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>>135658977
>>135659061
>>135659149
>>135659183
Is it Laguna, or actually Ragna, the planet near Windermere?
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>>135659865
It sounds the same in Japanese, so I think it's Ragna.
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>>135640206
10000 hours on some online J-E dictionary. No promises on accuracy or flow.

燃え尽きながら - I'm about to burn out
まだ輝いてみせる - Watch me sparkle
ギリギリmind - My head is full
あなたのために - For your sake

未来のために - For my future's sake
何度砕け散っても - That I'll both shatter over and over

愛することで生まれ変わる - From my love
生まれ変わる - I'm reborn
愛されたくて - I want to be loved
生きて帰る - Come back alive
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>>135639884
The music wasn't very good. Just okay at its best.
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>>135659926
Sounds like a song to the soldier. I wonder if the enemy songstress is singing for her beloved soldier that doesn't come back so she gets angry.
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Sivil was best girl
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Everyone's affected by Var Syndrome, not just Zentradi?
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>>135659865
Ragna means "advice, counsel".
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>>135660281
Yes
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>>135660281
This epiisode showed only Zentradi being taken by it.
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>>135660084
>mfw Saturday Night starts playing again
>mfw 7 is so shitty I can barely manage to sit through it for the sake of completion
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>>135660312
Wasn't there a human at the start?
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>>135660312
What about the guy right at the start with the apple and bomb?
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>>135659539
Thanks fuck, that dramatically reduce the chances of Mikumo dying then r-right?
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>>135660367
Watch it weekly like a normal person would
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>>135660375
>>135660371
Dam, you are right. That's a human.
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>>135659837
What about purple
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>>135660400
But I want to be done with it asap.
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>>135660378
No, Mikumo is still the brightest star and the one that should die out for Freyja to truly shine.
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>>135660415
Her age is unknown. She most likely is the oldest of the all.

>Mikumo Guynemer
The vocalist of the tactical sound unit Walküre. A mysterious girl, of unknown age, whose history and private life are all shrouded in enigma.
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>>135660433
NO
O
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>>135660433
She is the strongest so she is going to die or get injured that others would be able to shine.
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>>135660469
I don't want best girl to die either but we must face reality anon ;_;
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>>135660433
>>135660471
So generic it hurt, stop giving Kawamori bad ideas
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>>135660588
It's too late, the scripts are long done by this time.
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>>135660588
She is the strongest and there are 4 more idols that need to get a spotlight.
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>>135660626
I wouldn't be so sure
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>>135660588
The best girl fanboys tears are like wine to Kawamori.
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When was the last time Kawamori did good story? Never mind the production values, just the plot and characters?
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>>135660084
>>135660367
I still don't understand why she didn't stay.
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>>135660657
I enjoyed Sousei
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>>135660626
>It's too late, the scripts are long done by this time.
E V O L
V
O
L
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>>135647121
This is like what happened to Yu Gi Oh. It introduced dueling in motorcycles. And now its World War 3 with duelists as soldiers.
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I bet Mikumo is Protodeviln.
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>>135656072
>Macross 7 in a nutshell
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Throwing in my shitty opinion with the rest. Macross Delta sucked. I like anime and still watch it because you can't tell the same type stories in it that you can with real life actors, since it comes across as goofy and stupid.

However, Macross Delta is too goofy and stupid, even for my high tolerance. You have girls singing and dancing while getting shot at by military robots as they use their invincible mini droids to shield them.

Yet why not use those same mini droids on the military class valkyries, why do the valkyries need to engage their enemies in melee when they have guns and missiles, why are the girls singing in the danger zone if their sound waves can cross galaxies as was the case in Frontier, why do the valkyries need to dance along to the music, why are the zentradi green some times then not the others?

It's all so god damn fucking stupid. I can turn off my mind to enjoy dumb shit from time to time, but this is asking me to go full retard and not ask any questions. Singing in Macross to me was the side quest, not the bulk of the reason why I would watch it. Macross is about war and the military, not about singing and dancing. As a series it leans one way (Plus, Zero, Dimensional Fortress) then it goes ham to the wall the other way (Frontier, 7, Delta) other times.

I just have to endure this shit and hope the next cycle sticks to what made it great.
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>>135639884
why is Ikenai Borderline stuck in my head?
GIRI GIRI AI
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>>135646739
I like Gundam and Macross.

Macross is more consistently fun, but there are about as many fun moments in Gundam as Macross, with extra garbage.
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>>135646794
We don't really know a lot of the pilots. It's harder to follow since all the characters are literally who for now.
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Why does the new VF doesn't carry beam rifles like they usually does in previous installment?
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>>135661668
It does though.
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>>135646901
I think it's awesome, as long as the animation keeps up.
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>>135654751
Max is probably the most useful Captain in the macross shows. As for Milia, she was involved in a lot of the city-side plotlines for the episodes and she gets in the robot later. I think you are too negative about calling them irrelevant.
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>>135661362
7 and Frontier had military, you just have autism. Also think of it as music is actually a part of the military. There's no difference between idols in Macross Delta and badass supersoldiers who can take down mechs on foot.
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>>135661362
You're a fucking faggot.

The shields aren't invincible, just a single micromissile was enough to bury one of them
And it's why Valkyries don't need those shields.
Girls are singing in the danger zone because the innocent peoples getting massacred are in that same zone. You can hear music over the internet anytime so you don't need to go to any concerts, ami rite?

>why are the zentradi green
Watch SDF Macross.

>muh super serious story
You're just a superficial motherfucker, as expected from Cowboy Bebop fags. What the girls did in this whole episode was definitely fighting a war and they were relevant to the fighting in a much more straightforward way than any other Macross to date.

And last but no least, you're fucking retarded.
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>>135662069
>7 and Frontier had military, you just have autism

Yeah, but it merely served as the back drop to the singing and dancing. In those series, the singing was center stage. I mean, come the fuck on man, there was a guy controlling a transforming robot air plane with a guitar.

Gundam is much the same way, where it flip flops from realistic military scenarios and super giant robots. I just don't like it. I want my space exploration, mechanical crews, G-forces, ammunition grades, civilian casualties, war never changes and all that jazz. I love that and that aspect is what drew me to Macross.
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Armpits
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>>135662556
>The shields aren't invincible, just a single micromissile was enough to bury one of them

Yes they are, since none of them got destroyed. If they can withstand high velocity rounds and missiles, then I'd think that's pretty fucking good enough to protect the valkyries.

>And it's why Valkyries don't need those shields.

I just read something stupid.

>You can hear music over the internet anytime so you don't need to go to any concerts, ami rite?

They are in the danger zone because the sound waves are making people go crazy. But Frontier already established by canon, that those sound waves can travel through galaxies. They have a really fucking long range. They don't need to be in the DZ at fucking all. Just being in the same solar system singing and dancing would provide the same effect. And where it the enemy using their own sound waves to make them go crazy? If they don't need to be nearby, then why do the fucking good guys do? You don't even know what you're bitching about baguette.

>Watch SDF Macross.

I did and have, probably when you were still sperm in your dad's balls. Zentradi are green, but through out the series they flip flop from green then not.

>What the girls did in this whole episode was definitely fighting a war

Image related.
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>>135662624
Not really. Frontier was about a PMC. In 7 they were regular citizens, but the military was still studying them to see how powerful the music magic stuff was. Just because they're "bigger and crazier" doesn't mean it's not still about planes.
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>>135662788
So you want to continue bitching at the pretty colors instead of even trying to understand, fine, your tears are delicious.

It's not just a matter of sound waves you idiot. It's about reassuring the victims so the Valk can mope up any threat on top of preventing anyone else from getting mindraped.
And you'd know about the Zens if you watched Macross so let me laugh harder.
>I-Im bigger than you!
Pathetic

>they can withstand high velocity rounds
You're not sure of that yet. They sure couldn't stop any explosive and guess what actually damage airplane? That's right retard.
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>>135662826
>Just because they're "bigger and crazier" doesn't mean it's not still about planes.

That's exactly what it means though. Screen time is limited, if you take away from the realism of working in a military unit, to make time to show case idols, singing, their slice of life day and dancing, that is still a negative in my book. It only enforces my qualms with Delta.

I'm just going to sit this series out then watch it in a binge. It clearly not meant for old time fans.
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>>135662958
I'm an old time fan and I love it. Speak for yourself.
>realism
Seriously?
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>>135662958
>military studying the power that saved the world is not realistic
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>>135662958
You're saying 2 of the most important part of Macross are a negative yet claim being an old time fan.
Wow.
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>>135662788
Music traveled in Frontier because of fold crystal.

What you're thinking of is 7 where Sound Energy works because of course it does.

Honestly, I'll take mini droid shields over hordes of Vajra throwing themselves against a Macross Cannon.
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>>135660453
She's Ranka
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>>135662788
The "bad guys" are just spreading the Syndrome song and call it a day. And that's why the incidents don't stick, because the idols are actively suppressing it. As you saw, just blasting the music over the whole city wasn't enough to stop them, what makes you think it would from a different galaxy?
It might not be just sound waves, maybe there are psychological element to the syndrome too, which is why the girls are directly exposing themselves to danger (we call that fighting by to way you edgy punk, it doesn't matter if they use guns or not) so it doesn't contrat to others maybe?
Not to mention conveniently protecting every survivors in one place for the Valkyries to go nut.
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>>135663293
I just want to say usually in anime they start out with normal military/killing and then change to their "super special way of fighting" later in the show.

It's refreshing to have them start in the beginning with the idols and music instead. It's like a 7 way of fighting but without Basara having to convince everyone to listen to his song.
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>>135663293
>As you saw, just blasting the music over the whole city wasn't enough to stop them, what makes you think it would from a different galaxy?
Didn't Mikumo have to get up close and personal with that one Zentradi for her song to work? I think the proximity does help.
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This didn't really strike me as Macross when I watched it.
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>>135639884
This is so retarded, it maketh Symphogearz look like Shawshawk Redemption.
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>>135639964
>Not watching superior Harmony Gold's Robotech and playing Mechwarrior Online.
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>>135653955
Gundam GODFINGER was as retarded as it gets , anon. RU >>>/new/ ?
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>>135663510
Definitely, that's why they have to run around while singing while using a lot of drones to protect themselves and other peoples, and Macross tech + the need to entertain peoples even while they get shot at, make them look like cute mahou shoujos.
It all make sense, it's just very bold.

But we can also just call it generic and "anime shit" like normalfags because there's no way a story with colors and idols can be anything other than pandering for evil otaku, that's easier and look cooler on the internet.
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BOMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Mikumo seems to be the most badass member of the group but not actually the leader/mentor of the group... basically if Mikumo were to equal Max Jenius/Ozma Lee and Kaname Buccaneer might just be the Roy Focker/Mikhail Blanc of the Idol Group. I hope neither die but we will see what happens.

Also Mikumo has plot armor in the form of a mysterious backstory which no one apparently knows so she can safely consume lots of pineapple cake provided she doesn't decide to mentor anyone.
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>>135663695
>that's easier and look cooler on the internet.

I know you're being sarcastic, but I can't help but agree. We're not japanese. We're not otakus. Even if we were, it's a very niche approach that demands too much from the viewer, with no build up leading to all this insanity.

It's shit.

Easier to understand that phrase than trying to explain all of Delta's faults.

It's shit.
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What if the MC gets a harem instead of a love triangle?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhbxDPJsqR8

this guy
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I hope Delta sucking doesn't mean the end of the macross franchise...... that would hurt.
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who is most fappable minmei
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>>135663695
You know that summing it up in one sentence doesn't stop it sounding incredibly silly even for macross.

>have to run around while singing
Happens on occasion but sure that's okay I guess, as long as you miss out they are in a burning city under attack. In fact in direct fire, actually running into direct fire
> using a lot of drones
This is where stuff really gets silly. they have their own drones they command that are powered by VFs farting on them? And half the time instead of protecting anyone they make them do little hologram dances, yeah that was really stopping the infected people murdering everyone two feet away. Oh wait it didn't
>the need to entertain peoples even while they get shot at
No they need to stop the crazy people, sing to them and have a show for all the rest later when they aren't dying
>make them look like cute mahou shoujos.
and looks mean a lot to how people understand events.
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>>135664417
Not happening because it is Macross. Is always a love triangle.
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>>135664525
>those comments
I really feel like I watched something else. Even the previous Macross.
I just watched DYRL again just now too and it confuse me even more. Where the hell did they find a gritty military story in that shit, even an incomplete Delta episode has more pure mecha action.

Why do they keep watching anime if a little bit of colors and important female characters trigger them so much
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>>135662958
>realism
You lost me
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>>135664862
But what if Kawamori said he'd be breaking away from the usual tropes this time around
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>>135664823
>doesn't stop it sounding incredibly silly even for macross.
Macross is always going to inherently silly and each series steps it up over the last
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I doubt they'll make anything as crazy as 7 again
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>>135664823
Again it's not silly. Tired to explain every times so I'll do this quick
>actually running into direct fire
VFs frequently run into missiles
> they have their own drones they command that are powered by VFs farting on them?
Yes and?
>Oh wait it didn't
No, that's why they have to run around and use drones. They can both protect from fire and make hologram dance.
>No they need to stop the crazy people, sing to them and have a show for all the rest later when they aren't dying
They're doing all of that at the same time, it's probably the most efficient way.
>and looks mean a lot to how people understand events.
Exactly. No one want to see military girls singing and dancing.
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>>135665005
Still going to be a triangle, just come together differently.
>Kawamori pointed out that the delta symbol in the logo is made of triangular symbols, to symbolize the three main thematic elements of Macross: music, a love triangle, and transforming fighter planes. However, he noted that the two symbols are split, and explained that this is indicative that the three elements will not come together as expected in the new story.
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>>135664862
Well I did say "what if".
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>>135663695
>It all make sense, it's just very bold.

We never said it didn't make sense. It's just very stupid, and mostly done to pander to a very specific type of otaku.

You call it bold. We call it ridiculous.
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>>135639884
It will probably be terrible, since the Sheryl copy is a side character.
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>>135665084
I'm hoping for something like Hayate likes Freyja, Freyja likes Mirage, and Mirage likes Hayate.
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>>135665108
So you're just narrow minded as expected.
>how dare are they pandering to them and not MEEEEEEE, that's pandering!
That's how you sound.
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>>135665100
Well it wouldn't be Macross any more, just be a mecha show with a harem and idols. Would come under a different franchise/show name.
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>>135665108
If it make sense it's not stupid.
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>>135665070
>Planes frequently run into missiles
That is kind of different from little girls
>Yes and?
That is silly.
>No, that's why they have to run around and use drones.
Or they can jump at a guy and give him a sparkly dick tickle which we saw had a greater effect
>They can both protect from fire and make hologram dance.
Get other people to protect them. The drones don't run on the magic singing. Get a twenty guy squad with drones while the idols calm the fuckers
> it's probably the most efficient way.
It isn't as we see on screen them just singing with a burning city and fire in the background. These people should be evacuating not dancing. there was even a bit they cut between singing and some people on the ground crying, they are not being effective
>No one want to see military girls singing and dancing.
That's a lie and missing the point. Instead of just being mech with magical singing happening in the back and safe it is magical girls on the front line and also mechs I guess
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>>135665244
>Drone needing energy to run is silly
>give him a sparkly dick tickle
Good idea, call Kawamori
>Get other people to protect them.
They can handle it just fine, they're obviously trained for this. You think you can fix every problem with bigger numbers?
>guy squad
The last thing peoples scarred shhitless to fucking die need
> These people should be evacuating not dancing
Evacuating to an obvious place that's well protected yes. Like a music stage that's protected by laser shields belonging to a galaxy wide known PMC
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>>135639964
They already fixed the problem I had with Frontier being the lack of dogfights. Frontier's were always just bright lines flying across the screen.
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>>135665244
>Or they can jump at a guy and give him a sparkly dick tickle which we saw had a greater effect
Not him, but if you actually watched the ep, the Delta squad actually neutralised the threats before they could do that. They shot off arms, weapons and such. They couldn't jump straight in without that.

>Get other people to protect them. The drones don't run on the magic singing. Get a twenty guy squad with drones while the idols calm the fuckers
The drones seem to co-ordinate with the singing and intent so normal squads wouldn't work.

>It isn't as we see on screen them just singing with a burning city and fire in the background. These people should be evacuating not dancing. there was even a bit they cut between singing and some people on the ground crying, they are not being effective
Kinda hard to evacuate when missiles/lasers are going off everywhere. Is better to just protect and pacify the Var with the signing as soon as possible.
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>>135664898
>Why do they keep watching anime if a little bit of colors and important female characters trigger them so much

Because women in command and control is stupid. Women are great as supporting characters, but not much else. It isn't sexist to expect men to be in control during combat situations or when high risks are involved. You ask why women in control trigger us.

I rebuttal with, why is fire hot? Why is water wet? Because we're real and we know what women in reality are like. You need to take your liberal dumb ass and get out or at least man the fuck up.
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>>135665244
>Or they can jump at a guy and give him a sparkly dick tickle which we saw had a greater effect
So like did you just miss the parts where the Delta Squad were disabling the mechs so they could sing at them?
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>>135665879
>You ask why women in control trigger us.
You're using the royal "us" right?
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>>135665993
>You're using the royal "us" right?

The general "us" as all men who got into fights, and got laid, yes.

The general "us" as men who listen to women's opinions as you would a child's.
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>>135666044
>The general "us" as all men who got into fights, and got laid, yes.
We have been getting this ridiculous strain of normalfags around here lately
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>>135665879
>3DPD logic
I don't give a single fuck. Glorious 2D girls can either be dumb cum dumpster for the rest of their lives in one work, even literal god rulling over everything the next, just appreciate the story for what is is.
Playing with this kind of expectation is one of the strength of animation. Peoples who can't appreciate it can honestly fuck right off.
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>>135666178

>Here since 2008
>Realities of being a man makes me normal

You kids say the craziest things.
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>>135655445
He's rigth.
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>>135665879
It always amuses me how /pol/ takes any small opportunity to throw in their agenda when it's really just a simple "normalfags hate 'moeshit'"
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>>135665879
>>>/m/
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>Dreamingu
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>>135665879
>There are people in this world who seriously still think 2D=3D
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>>135666634

Art imitates life. You draw a human girl, then I know what is expected of them because of the realities I encounter daily.

You draw a flower, I know what it is and smells like cause I have interacted with them.

Bad stories are the ones that have nothing relateable to them, the best stories are the ones based on real life aspects and the nature of being human This applies to all forms of arts; the musics, literary, movies etc. It's why anime in general is considered a medium for children, autists and the retarded, because you have to belong to one of those groups to enjoy such retardation.

I'm not ashamed to admit it nor deny it.
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Extra smug.
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>>135666815
Nobody forced you to watch anime.
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>>135655973
Those fingers are killin me
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>>135666852

No need to be offended buddy, I like and watch anime too. I'm just laying it out how it be. You need to come to terms with it too. Accept it for what it is and hide your power level at all times.
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>>135666907
I'm not offended. It's one thing to say that anime doesn't aspire to be art or high brow entertainment. It's another to say that you need to be mentally deficient to enjoy it.

You sound like a slave talking down your ilk sucking up to your normalfag masters. What I'm getting at is that you're trying too hard and I don't know why you bother.
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>>135666815
That has nothing to do with giving a shit what girls do in anime
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>>135666907
>No need to be offended buddy,
Nobody's offended. You're the one who thinks they need to spell out some sort of speech as if we're all going to come to some sort of revelation about a hobby we enjoy while acting like some kind of normalfag
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Can I just say how glad I was that there was no CGI dancing?

CGI mechs I can handle but CGI dancing is just ugly
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>>135666815
>Art imitates life
but don't rely on it.
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>>135667407
>CGI mechs I can handle but CGI dancing is just ugly
What about CGI dancing mechs?
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>>135647065
>with their fists
looks like someone can't into DECULTURE
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I wish she was full blonde.
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>>135655653
I sincerely hope not
her being Movie Sheryl 2.0 made me the pre-episode that much more appealing
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>>135665879

Not disagreeing with you about reality, just noting that one can enjoy anime precisely because it really emphasizes the difference.

I mean 2D girls are also usually beautiful, fit, loyal and pure.
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>>135667407
what about the CGI background dancers/shield bots
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>>135646794
>>135646802
but anons, we don't know what's canon yet!
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>>135669177
>Macross
>Canon

Only Macross Cannons here, guys.
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>>135646668
Macross Checklist

Macross Delta Ep. 0.85
(this was not the full Ep1)

[ x ] Transforming Mecha
[ x ] Hotblooded Pilots
[ x ] Bishounen Pilots
[ x ] Cute Girl Idols
[ x ] Hot Woman Idols
[ x ] Aerial Dogfighting
[ x ] Massive collateral damage to the city
[ x ] Untold/un-shown death to peaceful citizenry
[ x ] Mysterious Big Bad causing violence because "reasons"
[ x ] Music soothes the savage beasts (aka: DECULTURE!)

We're just missing:
[ ] Love Triangle
[ ] Cover of previous one of the series' songs
and
[ ] Shout out/cameo by a character from a previous series
[ ] This generation's rendition of the epyonimous Macross SDF ship
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>>135669516
you forgot a million references to the old works
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God, I really hate the Ricky Martin part of the song. And why the hell can't I hear the other girls singing it? The only place I hear them is during GIRI GIRI AI and then they die out.
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i still can't get over
GIRI
GIRI
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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>>135670454
Deal with it. You're going to hear a lot more of it come spring.
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>>135669962
You can have a small bingo chart of the references though.

>ai obete maskaa
>oh shit nigga I love fire bomber
>kyyuun kyuuun
>some stuff from frontier
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>>135665879

Fuck off retarded homosexual mechautists.
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>>135665879
>women in command and control is stupid

Two largest empires in history of mankind were ruled by women.
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>>135646739

Who cares, like the petty feuding between LL and idolmaster fans its pointless because both franchises are run by Bandai Visual at the end of the day. The money goes to the same place regardless but people have gotta shitpost somehow and thats why nobody takes this fanbase seriously anymore. So much more concerned with feuding and shitposting then watching and maybe enjoying shit for once
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>>135659926
Thanks for this anon. I added it to the one I originally posted and put in the romaji for your bit.

http://pastebin.com/yWC001TJ
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Purple badass idol looks good. I hate main girl due...
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>>135672492
>Who cares
You and a whole lot of shitposters do apparently.
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>>135645466
AKB0048 S1 had an average of nearly 5k which is more than enough. Either way AKB0048's problem, in terms of sales, is that Japanese anime otaku hate AKB48. That's like us buying an anime about Justin Bieber. Even if it's good and has a good plot we don't care. On the other hand AKB fans don't give a fuck about anime so that's the conundrum it had.
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>>135672720
The japanese at the end is wrong at some points and ggs choices for translating some things are off but reasonable. For example, kirikirimai means "whirling; going round and round; rushing a person off his feet"
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>>135673227
Best I can do for now, since my moon isn't good enough. Should at least give people the gist of what the song is about until someone comes and does a proper translation.
Thanks for letting me know there are a few bits off though.
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>>135673227
>ggs choices for translating some things are off but reasonable
Japanese Doughnuts.
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>>135672812
Mikumo looks good, because she seems exactly like Sheryl.
And Sheryl is infinitely better than any other girl in Macross.
Except Basara
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>>135662788
>Zentradi are green, but through out the series they flip flop from green then not.
You are blaming Delta for something that happened on SDF?
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>>135672280
>maskaa
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>>135672812

Preview Tier List

DECULTURE Tier
Mirage
Mikumo (Purple)

Great Girl Tier
Kaname (Orange/Yellow)
Maki (Pink)
Reina (Green)

Obligatory Pandered FeMC
Freyja (I hate the fact that she's a main Red)
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>>135673587
I'm not an expert either but I'll point out some things.
I'm about to burn out{Moetsukinagara}
Watch me sparkle{Mada kagayaite miseru}
It's more like, "As I'm burning out, I'll show you I'm still sparkling" I suck at translating since neither language is my native language.
And "Mirai no tame ni" makes more sense as "For the futures sake", but it sounds better as "For our futures sake", "My future" sounds kinda selfish.
One thing I don't understand is "girgiri ai", girigiri has nothing to do with danger but I'm not sure how to translate it otherwise. Aside from that I think everything is fine.
>>135673712
They don't usually shit up songs as far as I remember.
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>>135671209
>Deal with it.
I will deal with it. Doesn't change the fact it's bad.
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>>135674192
>>135674192
>Doesn't change the fact it's bad.
Implying your fucking opinion is fact.
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>>135674192
You don't like Ricky Martin? What's wrong with you?
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>>135666354
/pol/ here, that fag is from reddit not /pol/
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>>135674337
Yeah it is fact. My fact. For me. If you like it, nice. But I don't
>>135674376
I'm not 13 anymore.
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>>135674882
That's not what fact means.
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>>135674882
>Yeah it is fact. My fact. For me. If you like it, nice. But I don't
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>>135674882
Maybe not, but you sure seem to bitch a lot and bitches seem to love Ricky Martin.
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>>135674129
>One thing I don't understand is "girgiri ai", girigiri has nothing to do with danger but I'm not sure how to translate it otherwise. Aside from that I think everything is fine.
I guess it comes from something like grinding love -> hard love -> dangerous love? Is kinda a stretch but it does fit if that is the case.
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>>135669516
Wheres the 12000 years option?
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>>135675483
that's still 12000 years farther in the future
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>>135660375
What if he's the guy Freyja was supposed to marry? The apple stood out.
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>>135674882
>Yeah it is fact. My fact. For me.
You're a fucking retard. Please go back to pre-school and relearn English word definitions.
>>
I like Mikumo but she will get the most rape porn ;_;
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>>135675328
They probably interpreted it as "barely making it" as in through a dangerous situation. Seems to be the most logical explanation.
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>>135675842
I can't wait
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>>135652074
Well shit.
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>>135675842
I'm pretty hype for the huge tit porn that every chick usually gets.
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>>135639884
>space Muslims

DROPPED
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>>135677900
Nipples
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>>135677900
it cant always be Space Pacific Island, Space Canada, Space Florida, Space Tokyo or Space San Francisco
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>>135678210
I'd believe Space Poland before Space Muhammadans
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>>135677900

Great. First Noragami and now this.

ISIS is going to bomb Japan, aren't they.
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>>135678443
>I'd believe Space Poland before Space Muhammadans
It's the French and Britbongs.
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>>135678505
Saving them was a mistake.
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