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>>135265513
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
One of the best things about growing up in New Zealand is that if you are prepared to work hard and have faith in yourself, truly anything is possible.
>>135292674
I'm going to rape you.
>Cornucopia
>>135292716
Nah, mate.
how many of you buy physical copies of raw manga to read rather than just pirating it?
>>135292841
Only when there's no scans, like the latest yotsubato.
For those of you who have read/are reading Flyable Heart, tell me all about your experiences! I want to hear about how the difficulty level is, what you knew and had already studied before beginning to read it, and also how you enjoyed it/how you are enjoying it so far.
>>135293986
The first few lines of Flyable Heart (when I read it over a year ago) were so hard I wanted to die, and I couldn't keep reading it. I would bring up my own posts about it if the archives from that time weren't dead, because I remember specific lines from the beginning I just couldn't understand. I started reading MaKo Hunter, a nukige, instead.
How do you get good at pitch accent?
>>135294057
Punch yourself every time you get it wrong.
>>135294057
The ONLY way to get good at pitch accent is to listen to PROFESSIONAL voice actors speak in the Core 2k/6k deck. There is NO other way.
>tfw you're worse off after DJT
>>135294083
Is there any sort of systematic approach beyond listening to lots of Japanese that might assist it?
>>135293986
When I started I was about 2k into Core and finished Tae Kim and basic volume of DoJG. Read extremely slowly, didn't understand a lot of it, and was barely able to piece things together via vocab and context.
Now (finished 2 routes, about to start 3rd) I'm able to comfortably read most lines without looking stuff up. I still get knocked on my ass by some sentences that have completely new grammar, but I'm probably going to start reading the intermediate DoJG volume either during this route of during the next route.
As for my opinion on the VN itself, I'm actually genuinely really enjoying it. The common route was kind of boring, but I'm enjoying it enough that I've screwed up my sleeping schedule a couple times staying up late to read it. Granted, I have shit taste, so that may not apply to most people, but still.
I'll probably need to go back and re-read bits of the really early common route since my reading speed and comprehension was fucking awful compared to now. The difference in comprehension and speed is huge.
>>135293986
Genki I+II, Tae Kim, first 1k of Core6k, 600 kanji in RTK
Read 2 volumes of Yotsuba and Hanahira first. I strongly recommend reading Hanahira first.
I am on my 11th month of reading Flyable Heart. When I started everything was hard, now some things are easier. I don't understand everything, but that isn't my goal. My goal is to understand enough to enjoy the story and get lots of exposure to Japanese. I look up vocabulary constantly, but rarely look up grammar unless the line seems important and I can't make any sense of it.
The common route wasn't interesting, so it took a very long time to read. The characters routes are interesting and I enjoy reading them. The worst part is probably the beginning, because the dad talks ridiculously fast, and then you have to deal with some bureaucratic bullshit when you get to the school.
Overall, I think it is worth reading.
>>135294050
I'll give that one a try.
>>135294289
How long ago did you begin it and how much have you learned since then (primarily in vocabulary)?
鋼の剛腕に携えた漆黒を思わせる鈍い輝きを放つ戦斧はそう確信させるほどの、泰然たる様相を呈していた。
Are you for fucking real? I thought this was a simple chuuni game. I guess the structure's straightforward, but there's just a clusterfuck of words I don't know.
>>135294441
Mako Hunter isn't any easier. I only stuck with it because I really, really, really wanted to fuck the dark elf. I lost many nights of sleep staying up 24 hours straight doing nothing but reading and reading pounding away at alien moon runes in desperation to fuck a dark elf. In short, Mako Hunter isn't easier than Flyable Heart, it just has a fuckable dark elf.
>>135294398
The dad + bureaucracy are what killed me back then, I quit shortly after the opening car ride, sometime in the student council room.
>>135294441
>How long ago did you begin it and how much have you learned since then (primarily in vocabulary)?
Kind of depends. Did lots of starting and stopping without really mining or heavily reading. I got to the part where you first meet the student council and then I stopped for a few weeks. Started again 25 days ago at a rate of 60 words a day, so around 1500 words.
The common route is just really boring at times, Shou's dad talks way too fast and uses really long sentences (from the perspective of someone just jumping into native content), and there's a few scenes with infodumping that are kind of hard to read if your only reading experience is the example sentences in Tae Kim and DoBJG.
>>135294220
Get a Japanese friend who'll let you know when you sound like a faggot anglo.
>4 months in
>Can't read Sengoku Rance
I'm a bit salty.
>>135294576
The first couple times I started FH, I never made it past the dad. The combination of my New Years Resolution to study Japanese every day and the confidence I got from finishing Hanahira are what kept me going this time.
I actually kept the saves from all my failed starts. I tried twice in October 2013, once in March 2014, and finally started this run in February 2015.
>VN with porn scenes
>Has an option in the menus to to make the skip button work on unseen text
>Lose all motivation for that title once the goods have been seen
>>135293986
It fucking sucks.
>>135295046
Please don't say that. It's a good little novel.
>>135294909
>VN has amazing characters, romance, etc
>each route is approximately 50% boring bullshit about festivals
>skip through bullshit
>lose motivation to keep reading game due to skipping so much
Damn it, Hoshi Ori, you were so fucking good, yet you had to focus on a festival.
>>135295146
Festivals are the worst.
>>135295246
The worse part about it in Hoshi Ori is EACH ROUTE has it's own unique festival stuff so you can't just skip through the common route and then have a good time, you have to skip in character routes too.
I just want to see djt exiled.
>>135295146
>Hoshi Ori
How challenging is it? I'm probably a month away from finishing Flyable Heart, but I'm not really sure what I want to read after it. Seeing the "50+ hours" on vndb is a bit intimidating though since that basically means it'll take twice as long as Flyable Heart if not longer (if I go for 100% completion, which I usually do).
Remember to do your reps!
>>135295316
The only way it'll ever happen is if /lang/ is brought back with images, and even then there's a possibility that /djt/ will be allowed to have threads on /a/ for /a/ and the crossboarders can all go to /lang/'s /djt/. It only takes up 1 of 150 thread spots and is very easily filterable anyways, so anyone who is actually bugged by the existence of the thread on /a/ is a massive autist.
>>135295348
It's a moege, so it's just about equally as difficult as Flyable Heart. There's two red flags about the game's difficulty thought: there's a lot of architect vocabulary (scale model, PCP, that kind of stuff) because the MC wants to be an architect, and there's these phone conversations that don't change the "main text" of the game so you can't texthook them, and they move real-time and you can't scroll so if you're not keeping up with them you're not reading them. They're less than 0.2% of the game though, hardly anything.
The game really is absurdly large, the common route is extremely short (pretty much just introduces each character and then rushes into a choice between them) but each character route more than makes up for it with length. There's no sci-fi or really any story to it though, it's just 100% romance interwoven through the festival bullshit I mentioned, so yeah. The romance is god-tier though, I blush just thinking of the girls and the relationships we had, the things we did... ah man, it's so great. It's like I really was in love with someone who loved me back.
Wow I actually got worse at Japanese since I started following DJT's advice
Fuck you
>>135295457
The thing is, DJT is always fairly active, so any regular on /a/ is going to see DJT on the front page EVERY hour of EVERY day of EVERY year for literally as long as it's allowed to stay. I can see how that gets annoying. It's like a thread that never dies, always getting in the way. If someone's not a regular of DJT and keeps seeing it over and over on the front page (or in the catalog), yeah, I can see some desire to remove it.
>>135295603
You can't talk or write in Japanese anymore either, huh?
>>135295640
折れわ２本
>>135295612
>browsing via the front page
>on a board as active as /a/
In that case it's their own fault. The board moves fast enough a lot of the time that stuff gets knocked off the front page in less than a minute. And even then you can still filter the thread if you hate it that much, and then you'll never ever see it again unless someone fucks up the thread title.
>>135295457
>It only takes up 1 of 150 thread spots and is very easily filterable anyways, so anyone who is actually bugged by the existence of the thread on /a/ is a massive autist.
All it takes is another 149 people with your option to spam a thread till it becomes accepted as a general and /a/ has thousands of posters every day. Overall that isn't very well thought out.
>>135295663
墨羽外姑苦参
>one (thing) = ひとつ
>two (things) = ふたつ
>three (things) = みっつ
>four (things) = よっつ
>five (things) = いつつ
Is there a pattern or reason for this besides the つ ?
Anyone know difficult is White Album 2 to read? I think that's going to be my endgoal in this journey.
>>135295878
Native readings in contrast to Chinese origin readings.
A pretty good overview:
http://www.imabi.net/l22numbersiicounters.htm
>tfw you've tried to make two arguments ITT at over the past hour, and in both cases, you've looked them over them and realized that they had a horrible, almost random flow, and attempts to organize them didn't end much better
I think that I should give up on trying to argue about Japanese while I'm so sleep deprived. Maybe I should goread.
>>135295775
we can just get our good buddy hiro to make us an anime generals board since we need more useless boards
>>135296126
>we need more useless boards
It's 2ch culture which Hiro is unfortunately part of.
>>135285869
The spreadsheet is now up to date.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LIuShb6L9FDBQpx7Yy9FgNyzp4tLMwtMCc26-TZMaBo/edit?usp=sharing
If there are any other manga series any anon is interested in being added to the CoR, and it under or very close to 450円 per volume, post them here in response to this post.
>>135296126
I want a ラーメン board before that.
>>135295775
>All it takes is another 149 people with your option to spam a thread till it becomes accepted as a general and /a/ has thousands of posters every day.
Slippery slope fallacy in action. Come back when your argument is actually starting to reflect the state of /a/.
>>135296356
Noticed I've set the link so people can leave comments.
Leave requests as comments and they should come to me directly as an email. That could be more direct than posting here.
>>135296402
>Slippery slope fallacy in action.
A fallacy does not make something invalid.
>Come back when your argument is actually starting to reflect the state of /a/.
It already does. There are generals which only exist due to lazy modeators and anons spamming them with nonsense to bump the thread for as long as possible. The ゆるゆり general is the perfect example of this in motion.
>>135295878
ひーふーみーよーいつむーななやーここと
>>135296463
>A fallacy does not make something invalid.
This is known as the "fallacy fallacy", wherein someone points out a fallacy in an argument to discredit it without actually making a legitimate argument.
>>135296463
Then go complain there and stop filling our thread with this stupid shit all the time. This thread has been here for years, the mods approve of it, so fuck off.
>>135296356
聲の形 and 黄昏乙女×アムネジア
>>135296414
Added them to the CoR. Thanks again for the contributions. I'll try to check the feedback every few days, but for future threads if you're posting in the thread and want to guarantee that I'll see it and add it relatively quickly, just reply to the yuushapost.
>>135296463
>A fallacy does not make something invalid.
Correct in this case. The slippery slope fallacy is an informal fallacy, meaning that the argument is not inherently fallacious. Rather, the argument is highly prone to being used in a fallacious manner.
In order to avoid the fallacious version of a slippery slope argument, you need to provide grounds to prove that your slippery slope is likely to occur. For example, when stating that an entrenched company is testing the waters to see if they could completely fuck their customers, and that things will get very, very bad for the industry's consumers unless customers fight back, you could point to previous instances where the company showed just how little they cared about their customer's freedom and well being. Would these people go that far? You're damn right they would. They've done it before, and they'll do it again. Their egos and complete disregard for the well being of society seem to know no bounds. Whether you turn out to be right or not, you at least provided reasonable grounds to back up your slippery slope.
However, you most certainly have not provided sufficient grounds to demonstrate that /a/ is under any kind of threat of being taken over by long running generals. You've shown a very small handful of outliers, easily hidden, and not about to knock discussion of your favorite show off of the board before its run its course assuming that people actually care.
>私がどうかしてた。ごめんなさい。
It's some form of apology, but what exactly is どうかしてた? Well, I know it's like "something got into me", that's what I saw on cheibukuro, but I'm not seeing how it forms anything like that. Looking it up, どうかして is "in some way/somehow or other", but I just don't see how that makes "Something got into me." Can anyone help me understand this?
>>135297133
>However, you most certainly have not provided sufficient grounds to demonstrate that /a/ is under any kind of threat of being taken over by long running generals.
That wasn't his intent, that was him just saying the defense is bad because it relies on tragedy is common.
>>135297162
どうかして◦いる
態度などが普通と違っている。変だ。
>>135297273
Makes sense I guess.
Just got to grade 6 in Kanji. Taking a break from kanji after grad 6 and starting the core 6k vocab deck.
Any suggested number on the amount of cards to do per day for that? Hopefully I could run through vocab at a fairly brisk rate from being familiar with around 1k~ kanji by then?
>>135297487
I realized I die every time I go to sleep anyway (persistent consciousness/ego is a myth) so I am not too concerned with suicide. If "I" want to kill myself I'll just take some sleeping pills and poof I wake up a different individual.
>>135297498
how long have you been studying kanji for
>>135297487
To those who used to learn words through Core and are now mining for an Anki deck, how heavy are reps now compared to before?
>>135297487
Sure, though looking back, it was really stupid.
Instead of killing yourself, just get your shit together. The fact that you're here means that your IQ is probably in the triple digits, which in turn means that you have something to offer the world (whether you realize it or not) and that it would be a shame for the world to lose you.
>>135297859
Reps went way higher when I was introducing, like, 1 new kanji per card. Now that I know all the kanji in my deck, pretty much, they've shot down to BELOW core levels, despite doing twice as many new cards.
>>135297552
Started around 4 months ago but I had some university experience so I know some grammar and vocabulary.
>>135297162
>どうかしてる
と
>どうかしてた
はだいぶ意味合いが違うと思うよ。おにいちゃん
>>135297891
those are surprisingly comforting words coming from an anon
>it's 3 a.m.
>I finished my reps hours ago
>>135298065
That was just randian propaganda to get you into a job and working to put money in jewish pockets. Don't believe his lies
>>135297487
I can't, I have to learn Japanese.
>>135297990
Sounds like it's pretty challenging when you start mining huh... As of right now with core I lose any will to read anything once I've done my reps and end up reading once a week, sometimes less. I hope that after I'm done with the 6k deck I'll have enough motivation to read and then do reps.
>>135298209
Your mental stamina will build.
>>135298209
The thing is that with Core, you see every word while reading because they're so common, but with mining, every word has a high chance of being something you don't see all day.
As for reading, it was a struggle to read enough to get my 20 words per day in the beginning. In the end though, reading just became fun so I wanted to do it. Well, more like I was compelled by my dick to read about anime girls, but either way. Ahh, what seemed to work for me, was to have reps on a schedule. Back then, it was start reps at 7pm. I set my new day to start at 11pm, so I would have a 4 hour period to do reps. If I was awake before 7pm, I'd say - may as well read, don't have to do any reps or anything. If it it was past 11pm, I'd say - well, reps are done, may as well read. And thereby, I ended up reading.
>>135298267
Also, break it up into chunks. Stop before you get tired enough that it begins to effect your ability to focus.
I do 150 reviews the first time, then do the rest a few hours later.
>>135298358
I can't rest knowing I have reps left. I'm the type to fall asleep in an instant. Happened to me a few times, naturally the next day ends up being a disaster and it turns makes my workload for the next few days hellish.
Meet Willy my wiggly wobbly worm, he poops alot and sleeps in a shoebox under my bed. When he gets older he will turn in to a beetle, then I will let him go free.
>判る
>>135298719
>解る
How did you guys start learning kanji/what method did/do you use?
>>135299014
>kanji
Just learn vocab.
>>135299014
I'm using the All in One Kanji Anki deck. I think it works pretty well.
>>135299034
Does that actually work?
>>135299359
Try it for yourself
>>135299359
Yes, there is some controversy over the usefulness of learning kanji alone, but learning vocab will within time teach you the readings of each kanji.
So every night when I go to sleep I listen to this Japanese talk show. I have no fucking idea what they are saying besides super basic words, but my theory is that sleep listening will inject 日本語 into my subconcious, magically making the language easier to comprehend because my brain is hearing it for 6+ hours(even though I don't understand it). This of course wouldn't ever replace actual listening practice, but I'm sleeping so it's not really wasted time. Has anyone else ever tried sleep learning? Am I retarded?
>>135299047
>>135299409
>>135299418
Great. I'll try that out.
>>135299493
As long as you believe it works, so it should, just keep at it.
>>135299493
Omelette du fromage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KThlYHfIVa8
>>135299493
My own personal experience with this has been very negative. Rather than learn things while sleeping, it instead destroyed my quality of sleep, effectively hampering the memory consolidation process that sleep is said to provide.
That is, it made me un-learn the things I learned that day rather than learn new things. I am, however, an extremely light sleeper and cannot sleep with any sound around me, so maybe your own experience will differ.
>>135300343
Not to mention being extremely tired and being unable to study the next day.
>>135299493
>subconscious learning
BS, but so long as you use speakers and not earphones I guess whatever loss is negligible. To make the most of listening to things you don't understand at least make the effort of shadowing everything you hear.
I just downloaded Evenicle, there is also an iso called Everance
what the hell is it?
>first read, I can't fucking read anything
>go back to the beginning, I can now read it all perfectly
Fuck this shit. Maybe I need to sleep.
>>135297179
You'd that would be obvious but anons like such and >>135296607 are seem unable to differentiate an exercise of critically assessing reasoning used behind and argument and a personal attack. I don't want djt to be removed and never made such a claim, but being intellectually dishonest doesn't help anyone.
>>135296963
I'll see about those two series over the next 48 hours. Looks like it will only cost a few hundred 円 in total thanks to the discounts.
Words of wisdom.
>>135300376
Fuck
It crashed my chiitrans lite
>>135300376
Maybe look it up? Or check out the scan of the CD, it has description printed. Can you read it?
It's a short spin-off - "What if Rance was Evenicle's protagonist".
>>135300841
Oh wait, you're a machine translating cancer.
>>135300928
I'm not machine translating you idiot.
Fuck off.
>>135292841
There's a physical store that sells raws about half an hour away, so I'm planning on buying some books/comics/magazines there when I get approved for NEETbux.
>Not taking money from your country to spend on stimulating the Japanese economy
It's like yall don't even weeb.
>see a word in a VN I should know
>try to to think of the reading
>check the texthooker and see that I'm wrong
>unconsciously hit 1 on the numpad
Help, I've been brainwashed by Anki.
>>135300952
Yeah, yeah, right, you "read" VNs to study and you ust look up words you don't know - most of them.
>>135301008
2/3 of this general uses texthookers for VNs.
>>135301036
And that's why they stay in this general.
>>135301036
>2/3
Source?
>>135301078
If you're so good for this thread then why don't you fuck off already? Go be an asshole on /jp/.
>>135301091
あばよ
>>135301143
さらば
>>135300997
>unconsciously
No escape.
Why did everyone start playing Evenicle now and not back in April?
Reminder that Ramius and Kyou are best wives.
Silent hottest character.
andFelton was right
>>135301008
This thread is about learning Japanese if you didn't notice.
>>135300376
>>135300841
I played it before playing Evenicle but thematically I reckon it's better having played it after Evenicle
>>135301610
I'm trying to play it but this thing fills chiitrans with a lot of unneeded garbage text and makes it crash, haven't found any ways to stop that.
Even though the few lines I've read were fairly easy I don't want to look up every word and kanji by radical, I'll try with VNR now
>>135301644
>>135301675
sorry I screwed up the filenames
>>135301702
wow what the fuck is this shit
It messes with everything on your desktop
>>135292629
For the grammar dictionary (cloze) deck, what are the related cards until JLPT N2?
I'm too lazy to study all. Still around 60% Core6k
Thanks.
Are there any audio-only programs to help you learn this stuff?
I have 10 hours a day where I can listen to music/etc on my phone but I can't really do anything interactive, and I'm trying to get something productive done in that time.
>>135302299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ly42IsEtrU
>>135302370
I don't understand any of this though ;_;
>>135302402
almost made it
>>135302597
How can you be this bad at running a few steps while dribbling a ball and then throwing?
No wonder she became an idol.
>>135302859
have u ever seen me in pe
>>135302538
>>135302597
I'm looking for something like a school course that doesn't require input I suppose.
Just a good starting point, until I have a little more time to actually study it.
>>135302875
I haven't actually.
I'm not good at sports either, but I have trouble imagining how you'd fuck up basketball that badly if you're not doing it on purpose.
>>135303044
Spoilers, they're exaggerating "cute" traits like that very much on purpose.
>>135303075
>wanting a woman who can't even bounce her child off the floor and then throw it to you while being hunted by a siberian tiger
2/10 would not impregnate
>>135301702
>>135301943
Turning on "ignore new contest" seemed to help
VNR was such garbage, never again
>>135303075
god i wish the teeth thing would die
i like nice straight teeth dammit
>>135296963
聲の形
https://mega.nz/#F!S0V0BCbA!AO2jVsq-eyNGSu1ee0-QQA
All seven are in the process of being ripped and uploaded, so expect them all to The 10 volumes of 黄昏乙女×アムネジア should be up within the next 24 hours.
>>135303428
>so expect them all to
*so expect them all up within the next hour or so.
>>135302370
しのすけさん、すごいです
でも、N1聴解９０点くらい取れないと
わからないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ
>>135296356
>>135297082
I just thought about something. I may be the only one, but I parsed the whole CoR into Jdownloader and downloaded it. Could some sort of a "new" sign be implemented for the first week, that something is new in the CoR? I don't know wich manga/LN I got and wich I haven't downloaded yet.
>>135303582
Wouldn't it be rather easy to download a copy of the CoR spreadsheet and match it against a print out of the directly list of your content?
Remove everything but the names, dump them all into a single column and filter duplicates? That should leave only what you don't have.
>>135303654
Well, that does sound easy, but I have no idea how to do it, because I've never done that.
>>135303827
A copy of the CoR, I think it is current:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Out4RLy0X3KpHVcplpaYYAptpAreG7OVSrGDYE8RnAg/edit?usp=sharing
How to print your directory:
http://www.howtogeek.com/98064/how-to-print-or-save-a-directory-listing-to-a-file/
This is what I've done in the past for things like this for a simple solution. It might not be what you are after.
>>135303428
Many thanks anon
>>135303553
but the 聴解 score only goes up to 60 points
>>135296356
>If there are any other manga series any anon is interested in being added to the CoR, and it under or very close to 450円 per volume, post them here in response to this post.
Well, I can find Noragami online but the scans for some volumes really suck so I'll take a shot at requesting that. 429円 + tax on bookwalker.
>>135304460
He's talking about Rakuten, where you get a 450 yen coupon if you make a new account
>>135304539
What can you do with 450 yen? Buy candies?
For DoJG cloze deck, which cards area until N2?
Thanks.
>>135304539
Oh, I see. So he basically just keeps making accounts and buying volumes?
>>135304560
Buy a single volume of a manga or LN, which is what he's offering here...
>>135304460
This is taking advantage of the deal on at Rakuten: 450円 discount for new members. That aside, hasn't the recent firmware update of BW killed the decrypting tool? Around a month ago myself and a bunch of people were unable to bypass the updated DRM using the ripped from ｊ喫茶店.
>>135304560
>What can you do with 450 yen?
An example
http://search.books.rakuten.co.jp/bksearch/dt?o=0&s=1&v=2&spv=2&h=30&g=101904001&e=0&mt=0&cy=0&minp=400&maxp=499&sv=30
>>135304594
The DoJG volumes aren't based on the JLPT.
>>135304594
http://www.jgram.org/
Compare those lists with the content in the DoJG cloze deck and see what filters to the surface.
Noob here. そんな顔すんなって！
I wanna say this means don't make a face like that am I right?
>>135304447
まちがった。ごめんね
N1の最後の問題はあてようとしても当たらないくらい難しくつくってあるみたいだから、最後の問題以外は全問正解できたとすると、なんてん？
>>135305521
Yes. すんな→するな
where do japs stream viudeogames online?
https://twitter.com/Aotovnom/status/680354411017670656
>>135306063
nico
Don't bother, that site is complete garbage, leave it to the japs
>>135305521
>そんな顔すんなって！
I would stand by you.
みたいな感じで使うとおもうんだけど、どうなのかな
An anime I want to watch doesn't have subs so I'm left with no choice but to learn Japanese.
can't be that hard right
right
>>135306736
The point is, if anybody starts asking really dumb beginner questions it's probably me. Been meaning to do this for a while.
>>135306760
We get dozens a thread, nobody will even notice.
Unless they're really stupid like "what does は mean".
Don't worry, you'll quit in a week anyway.
>>135306873
Probably, but hopefully not.
That was a joke anyway, if the reason was that flimsy I wouldn't last a day.
What eroge are you fags learning Japanese for?
>あわわ！ごめんね…！すっかり、返信したつもりでいました…
Is this last bit something like "I totally meant to reply...?"
>>135307254
No, it's a common phrase meaning "I really didn't want to talk to you".
>>135307315
What does the でいました do in つもりでいました?
>>135307197
I started learning Japanese 2 years ago because Aiyoku no Eustia left me hanging with it's partial patch.
>>135307358
Go re-read your grammar material.
>>135306483
相手が悲しい顔をすれば、応援の為に「ほら、元気を出して」って・・・そんな風に？
>>135307391
So you don't know.
>>135307315
Or I totally thought I replied...? I'd like to know the translation of the sentence, not your interpretation. If you're on /a/ you probably already know you're society's trash and nobody wants to talk to you.
>>135307380
I remember waiting for that translation until I forgot about it. You've read it now, I assume - is it good?
>>135307358
He's pulling your dick, you had it right the first time.
>>135307475
Not the same anon.
>>135307463
Yeah, I started reading it 7 months after I started. Definitely well worth the read. It had great world building and atmosphere.
I want to learn joyo kanji. What's a good anki deck? I want to progress level by level, grade 1 - end of school.
>>135307560
Good to hear. That's more motivation for me to learn this damn language then.
>>135307590
It is kind of a vague question, what do you want to study about these kanji? There are websites for these 教育漢字、with interactive lists as per the following
https://www.nihongo-pro.com/jp/kanji-pal/list/strokes/gradeand there is a Japanese wiki page with lists you can copy paste. If you have an idea of what you want on the front and back of the deck I/other anons should be able to give accurate advice.
>>135307700
>>135307590
Keep in mind 教育漢字 covers about half of 常用漢字
>>135307700
>>135307760
How to read, meaning, and sample words.
Optional: Stroke order
>>135307825
TBQH the best for that is a vocabulary deck, like core6k, and kanjigrid to add words from kanji you're missing.
>>135307760
Not sure if the Joyo anki decks in shared decks on the anki site have what you are after but the updated kanji deck which was posted a few days ago can be modifed for more or less exactly that.
>>135307883
Anon wasn't asking for a vocab deck.
>>135307916
Yes he was. He was asking for a deck to learn readings, meanings and sample words that include jouyou kanji. That's a vocab deck.
>>135307475
Cheers, Anon.
>>135307883
>>135307916
>>135307945
I just want something that starts on low level kanji first.
>>135307945
If anon wants a deck for individual kanji study, it's not a vocab deck.
>>135308015
Give me a minute or two and I'll put together a screenshot of something and a few minor questions to find out what you are exactly after.
Is there an easy way to rip Niconico webcomics?
>>135307418
そんな風だよ。
笑って言われたら、元気出してください、の婉曲だとおもうよ。
真剣に言われたら、一緒に問題解決に行こう、の婉曲で使うかもしれないとおもうよ
>>135308064
Anon doesn't know what he wants, I suggested what I think would be the most helpful thing.
>>135308015
I believe the optimized core6k deck starts from 一 二 三 etc... But I don't know for sure. You should look into it. Either way, what counts as "low level kanji" is pretty subjective, you could easily argue that kanji for super common words like 勉強する are low level even though they aren't as simple-looking as, say, 乙 which is only used as a meme.
>>135308015
If you want to study kanji individually I wouldn't advise you to learn their readings. Not only is it a lot of effort to learn the readings individually like that, but it's also pretty easy to learn them as you learn vocab with the kanji in it.
Learning some words along with the kanji is nice, and that will teach you some of the readings as a bonus, but don't try to "master" the readings of the kanji or anything, just learn what's there in the words you'll be learning.
Also, I don't think you'll find something something quite like what you have in mind ready for use.
what is
来
in
もっと近くに来てください
used for
?
>>135308015
>>135308064
Okay, so pic related is a deck that was posted a few days ago, with an added field for the school grading order. If you want, take that image and remove things you don't want to appear on the card and change the order of things you do want, to suit what you are looking for.
Forming your own idea of your study path is important because you are taking responsibility of your learning as opposed to a passive approach of simply doing what others tell you to do without filtering out what you really don't give a shit about.
>>135308245
>Anon doesn't know what he wants
Which is why I'm trying to help anon find what he wants, not what I think he wants based on my preferences which likely have nothing to do with anon.
>>135308442
Why
do
you
post
like
this
?
And why are you making a question about what a word means when you don't even know one of the most common verbs in the language?
>>135308442
「くる」
来る＋ください→来てください
>>135308442
It's きて
もっと近く ← A little bit closer
来て ← Come
ください ← Please
>>135308064
Thanks kind anon.
>>135308408
>>135308245
I would just use the readings and sample words so I could easily remember them.
>>135308469
Basically this, which progress to grade 1 kanji to end of school.
>>135292674
One of the best things about growing up in New Zealand is the abundance of sheep to fuck.
>>135308550
>Basically this
Meaning the same layout but with an index for ordering the deck to show due cards by grade order? That can be can done if that is what you are after.
>>135308530
thanks
>>135308586
Yes. I figure studying by grade order would help me see my progress easier.
>>135300957
>caring about the nip economy
>implying you can do anything for a country that's going to lose the majority of its workforce in the next few years
You definitely need food stamps, because I doubt you'd be able to hold down an actual job.
>>135308469
This doesn't look very efficient, how many of those sample words do you even look at, let alone remember?
>>135308609
If that is what you are after and are keen for it, I can modify the deck in previous pic related. Depending on whether or not I can automate the process of not will depend on whether a link will be posted soon or some time before this thread dies.
>>135308639
They don't do food stamps in my country. I'd use them, though; carrying around coin and small notes just ruins walls.
>>135308676
>This doesn't look very efficient
Efficiency is a relative value entirely dependant upon the intended result.
>how many of those sample words do you even look at, let alone remember?
Do you need to remember them?
暑い
熱い
what happened to using the same kanji for one thing and basing its meaning off context
>>135308710
クソ素人
>>135308676
>how many of those sample words do you even look at,
All of them.
>let alone remember?
Something between 1 and 4, depending on the kanji. Of course, you don't include the words as part of the required recall for the card, you just look at them for exposure.
Source: I used to have a deck that's basically what anon described, and that's how it went for me.
PS: You might as well add the meaning of the example words to the deck too.
>>135308572
Well, it's better than fucking kangaroos anyway.
>>135308758
How does one even fuck a kangaroo? Sedatives?
just use core2k Jesus Christ
>>135297891
>IQ in triple digits
>posts on an anime board
ahahahaha
btw IQ isn't an accurate measurement of success, or even intelligence
>>135308804
>THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO DO EVERYTHING
>kanji is symbols
>円 is circle
explain this faggots
>>135308784
In one of its three vaginas. Just give it a good punch first so that it doesn't kick you in the face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGsFdh1SPOA
きょうのよくわからないにほんご
>緡[sashi]
江戸時代、穴あき銭である９６枚の１文銭に
紐を通したもの。１００文扱いで取引された。
Is japanesePod good? Which section is the best to start off listening with. Im on my 6th VN btw, and I don't want something too easy to start of with.
Is upper beginner or low intermediate good sections for me?
>>135306873
I did one excruciating anki session of hiragana, quit, came back after a month and did another one, and I've somehow memorized all of the hiragana. Is my brain broken?
Come to think of it, isn't learning Japanese (or learning anything for that matter) just a race trying to learn more than you forget?
>>135308702
>they don't do food stamps in my country
I guess they trust you then. tbf, you are at least doing something with your life. One of the american NEETs I know does nothing and won't even do shit like go for 10min walks.
Anyone else trying out for the MEXT 2016 scholarship?
>>135309596
Do you not understand the point of anki? It's trying to keep all that shit in your brain.
The more you encounter something, the longer you'll remember it for. Eventually, you get to the point where most of the stuff you know won't be forgotten for a year or two, and then it's just a case of re-enforcing that knowledge by reading occasionally.
>>135309596
Ah, man. You just have to remember shit. It's not hard.
>>135309596
You could say that of any relig-- subject.
>>135309645
Nah, that's for rich kids and frat boys.
>>135309645
no, I'd rather get a degree at an American or Euro university. The jap education system is absolutely awful.
>>135308609
The has been altered and reordered to match the school grading system, using the grade order from wikipedia.
https://mega.nz/#!egUXUSSb!_OTiv4XXRsT1I45OEMGbw2Y2RNl2DizQMONSAtUTpxQ
If you ultimately don't like the ordering, there are another handful of indexes you can use to reorder the deck.
Run down on how to do exactly that:
1. Select field you want to arrange the due cards by, set as "Sort by his field in the browser"
2. In browser, click on the Sort Field so it is arranged from 1 or 0 to the highest number, ascending order.
3. Click on card, Ctrl+a to highlight all cards in deck.
4. Edit: Reposition... Start position: 0 (Shift position of existing card [tick box]) OK
5. The Due column should now match the sort field from 0/1 and ascending.
>>135309731
I just want to get out of my third world country, and japan is completely free if I get the scholarship. Had to pay to study in euro or america tho.
someone buy gyaruko manga and upload please
>>135309970
「おしえて! ギャル子ちゃん」という漫画？
>>135310054
yes
>>135309929
Don't forget that they'll send you right back once your studies are over. You might end up killing yourself if you aren't prepared for the shock.
>>135310082
Sell it to me and I'll see.
Do I just need to watch more anime to learn about Japanese interjections?
I typed out ワウ！to someone and they laughed at me and said Japanese don't say that
>>135310260
should have said sugooooooi desu
intentionally in english to fuck with them
>>135310260
ワオ is used though
>>135310260
>I typed out ワウ！to someone and they laughed at me
>>135310085
That's fine, if you have a degree from another country here, you are assured a great job. I do love my country but the education system is fucked up.
>>135310223
don't know shit about it
but the girls look cute, protag is a gyaru and it's getting an anime
i understand if you don't want to waste your money
>>135309054
symbols != pictographs
Learn English first.
Post dem words that you can't differentiate no matter how many times you see um in anki
じめじめ
じわじわ
うじうじ
FUCKING ADVERBS AGHH
>>135309054
It's a simpler replacement of 圓, which was a member of the staff encircled by a fence.
>>135310562
you mean logograms
>>135310599
I had quite a bit of trouble with
すっかり、しっかり、すっきり、さっぱり for a while.
>>135310767
Sorry >>135310562 I had a brainfart and used "you" instead of "they"
>>135310773
How? You hear/see those all of the time.
>>135310773
Mmm those are a bitch luckily pretty common though
>>135310773
I know すっきり is what you say after having sex
>>135310828
mostly when I was seeing them in anki, in context they always made sense though.
>>135292629
can someone link to me the last version of ITH? Mine don't work anymore, not even with VN i have already read.
I haven't done reps in like a month. I can't learn Japanese.
>>135311343
Yes you can, you just have to do your reps. And don't tell me you can't do your reps. We both know you're only not doing them because you don't want to. At least be honest with yourself and say "I don't want to learn Japanese" instead.
>>135311343
Anki isn't the only way.
>>135311581
inexperienced people think they need anki to learn japanese
that's djt's big contribution to japanese learners
thank you djt
>>135308550
This pic is what anon looks like after learning 3k kanji.
>>135292727
>not including everyone's favourite girl
>>135311812
Needs steve or namasensei
>anki isn't the only way
>>135311812
Who's the one with shades?
>>135311581
>>135312239
Anki isn't a "way". It's a system of automated optimised reviewing for long term memory retention of facts.
Revision is a very important part of studying, in fact I'd say its one of of those things that make the largest difference for the amount of time it takes.
It's the kids at school who reviewed regularly who aced tested without much effort, every time. It's stretching and practice for your memory. Anki happens to be a highly effective system of automating the scheduling and presentation of the content to review.
Preparing an amazon japan order, pic related. Recommend me some other LNs I could include, preferably something that doesn't have an anime announced
>>135312500
>Recommend me some other LNs I could include
No.
>>135294206
>tfw you're worse off after learning vocabulary and reading books
>>135312574
>tfw you're worse off after finishing core6k
>>135312686
>>135312709
Glorious
Just starting out here, but how does learning japanese compare to something like french? Obviously, there's a different alphabet, which makes things slightly more difficult at the start, but in regards to things like conjugations, gendering, and strange exceptions to rules, how difficult is japanese overall (in your opinion, obviously)?
>>135312901
French is for homos, that's the main difference.
>>135312984
I thought it was for Canadians.
>>135307197
I started learning two years ago because Kangoku Senkan 3 left me hanging with it's partial series translation patch. Aiyoku no Eustia too.
>>135312709
>>135312686
>tfw I was trying to subtlety get people to listen to ravex but now the whole band is gone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tFXAaRvBI0
>>135312901
You're not getting anything "for free" with Japanese like you would have with a lot of other languages (say French), there's no common grammar, few common words, two new alphabets and kanji.
But the most important difference is that in French you can sit down and read a book from day one, you might not understand much, but it's possible.
In Japanese you HAVE to memorize all the words you want to be able to read, there's no way around it.
You could probably learn both Spanish and French and maybe German too in the time it would take you to become fluent in Japanese.
>>135312901
It's very different from the point of view of an learner who comes from an Anglo or Romantic background. European languages are all very closely related. Compared to Japanese, even English and Spanish are very closely related. As a result, going from one of these languages to the other is going to be ridiculously easier, not only because of the similar grammatical paradigms (though those tend to differ a lot from Anglo to Romantic language) but also because you of the huge common or at least similar vocabulary which you can find in European languages.
As a plus, Japanese grammar is comparatively very simple once you get the hang of it. Exceptions are very rare.
>>135312901
Japanese has no grammatical gender or plural. But it has successively jointable grammatical suffixes, which is something you're probably not familiar with.
>>135313105
Sorry, mate. Never heard of them.
>>135313161
Imabi?
>>135313128
>You're not getting anything "for free" with Japanese
There are many many times when I was glad I knew English while learning Japanese. They throw so much English everywhere it's crazy. I'm sure we're all familiar with getting "free" katakana cards in Core.
>>135313327
>Imabi?
No?
>>135313320
>Sorry, mate. Never heard of them.
All I know is that they somehow ended up starring in a Tezuka anime adaptation which I used as listening practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz9Cfk2ALiw
Good stuff.
>>135313345
I'm joking that you're speaking like imabi, a guy who studies Japanese grammar for a living so constantly pulls out terminology like "successively jointable grammatical suffixes".
>>135313418
That's not even terminology, the right term is synthetic agglutinative morphology.
>Completely fuck up anki deck yesterday
>Do it first thing today to reduce burn out influence
>Breeze through it
>Fuck up a different deck that I had zero problems with yesterday
Why does this happen, makes me so mad
>>135313418
I made that up on the spot I've never studied grammar for a living I just wanted to describe things like 行きたくなかった, and similar things for adjectives. Which has no equivalent in European languages(except Basque I think).
>Japanese: the Manga Way
I feel for the meme
>>135313657
Alas, I also feel.
funny word get
構ってちゃん
>>135313688
>ちゃん
Which synthetic agglutinative morphism is this?
>>135313588
Finnish also has big verb conjugations like that but for different purposes.
>>135313526
Imabi?
>>135313657
そですねx1
>>135313754
Finnish is finno-uralic funny enough
>>135313657
>A dog - Come here
I don't get this one.
>>135313149
>As a plus, Japanese grammar is comparatively very simple once you get the hang of it. Exceptions are very rare.
For example, Japanese has exactly two irregular verbs:
する and 来る
>>135314075
What about the other irregular verbs?
>>135314101
Name some?
Protip: です/だ is not a verb
>>135314133
ます, ある
>Protip: です/だ is not a verb
Point and laugh.
>>135314376
Vernier?
>>135314133
御座る
行く
居る
>>135313657
>Oh my mar nanny eel oh arimas?
>>135314681
>no 言う
Is there a way to redo a deck on anki with all the same cards?
>>135314780
I wasn't under the impression that 言う was irregular.
Even the ゆう pronunciation still follows normal conjugation rules, right?
>>135313657
DALLEY
>>135315022
The two pronunciation systems is what makes it irregular.
>司令官閣下、意見具申を許可していただき、ありがとうございます
Translate this into English maintaining full nuance, weebs
The exquisite pleasure of being semen'd inwards.
>わが軍に対して敵の数は二倍、しかも三方向よりわが軍を包囲せんとしております
Oh, here it is. "せんとしております". I mentioned seeing it in LOGH before and now here I can take the direct quote out.
Is this line indicative of something Japanese or is it just HTML stuff?
>>135315600
Oh wait, never mind, I see, it was showing that it's providing the reading for just 津々, not 興味津々 as a whole. HTML stuff indeed.
This has probably been asked hundreds of times but do you guys write kanji on a book/paper to remember them more easily or is it just a meme?
>>135315781
Just draw the shape with your mouse.
>>135315781
I keep journals and have them open whenever I read anything, if I find a word I don't know I write it down and its reading.
Helps retention immensely I think.
>>135315781
Some do, some do not, they all argue although.
>Trying to do Anki.
>/DJT/ keeps pulling me back.
The thread claims another. Exile /DJT/.
daily reminder that not even japanese can remember kanji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxPRBvRQg
>「戦いの正義は、人類の正統な支配者たる銀河帝国皇帝陛下と、その忠実な、臣下たるわが軍将兵にあったのですが、叛乱軍の狡猾なトリックにかかり、忠勇なる百万の精鋭は虚空に散華するにいたったのです。今回の戦いにおいて、もし前者の轍を踏むことあらば、皇帝陛下の宸襟を傷つけ奉るは必定であり、ここは功にはやることなく、名誉ある撤退をなさるべきではないかと愚考するしだいです」
>>135315957
Don't you think one should aim to surpass natives?
>>135316003
>you will never be a japanese language teacher in japan
>>135316003
I think an aim like that is destructive. For some people, learning Japanese transitions from a passion for anime,manga, vns, etc into a passion for language learning. For those people, perhaps surpassing natives is a worthy goal. But for everyone else, for those interested in just learning Japanese and using it to communicate and understand, there is absolutely no need to attempt to surpass natives. You'll just end up spending a lot of time learning useless knowledge, like that guy who's studying for Kanken 1. A 2~4 year quest will turn into a 4+ lifelong dedication to improving one's language, but not really living. So no, I do not believe one should aim to surpass natives. I think one should aim to fulfill their passions.
>masturbating in bed late at night
>reaching climax while remembering a DATE doujin
>Just as I ejaculate my mind goes perfectly white
>White except for the crystal clear picture of 淫乱
>every detail perfectly etched into my mind while writhing beneath the covers
I'm a kanji pervert now?
I am required to take at least four semesters of a foreign language for my degree. I was already interested in learning Japanese, and since I have to take a foreign language anyways, should I go ahead and take Japanese classes?
Assuming any of you have experience learning the language in a classroom environment, am I likely to have even the slightest grasp of the language after those four semesters, or will we still be learning the kana after six months?
>>135316606
Japanese is among the slowest-moving foreign language classes and has the most publicly available resources for self-study so that you can stay ahead of the class and not have any problems. In fact, we make fun of how slow classes generally are.
> am I likely to have even the slightest grasp of the language after those four semesters, or will we still be learning the kana after six months?
You will probably finish the kana halfway through your entire time with the class.
>>135316444
Don't worry, that happened to me with some math homework once
>>135316606
classrooms are made to accomodate the slowest common denominator, since you're a 4chan user you're probably smarter than the professors already.
Take it for the degree, but keep in mind that they should be supplementary to your own studies.
>>135316045
fuck you! :'(
>>135316205
You're right, i actually fell in love with studying Japanese and my interest in Japanese has nothing to do with manga/anime or VN, so my goal for now is at least native level.
>>135316895
>I'm not like all those other girls, tee-hee!
>>135316995
Well, I'm not!
>>135317046
In any case, I'm just going to pump and dump you. Let's get this over with. *unsheathes WaniKani*
>>135316995
what do you mean? not expecting it to take me a short time, i'm actually moving over to Japan for uni in 1.5 years
>You'll never be a white slut that goes to Japan, does JAV and then gets raped/impregnated by a Yakuza.
>>135317410
>you will never join the yakuza and work as a translator
Why even live.
>>135292674
I used to hate this video but i love it now.
>you will never stop collecting 5 times as much compelling content as you can consume
Is there a raw of Berserk out there that isn't shit quality like the CoR one?
>>135317852
Only one in five things is compelling so you're doing swell.
淫靡
ほとばしる
享受
間歇泉
醍醐味
脳髄
恍惚
業の深い
涎
呂律
>>135318234
And of the one in five, he has collected five times as much as he can consume.
>>135318311
So he just has to be twice as much of a taste snob as usual. No big.
>>135318356
Compelling content is compelling even if he is a taste snob.
>>135294000
Don't do maths, kids.
>65% correct
Is it time to suspend new cards for now?
>>135319098
No, it's time tocommit sudoku
>>135319098
it's time to study kanji
>>135319138
That won't help.
>>135295350
3 hours
>>135319179
It will if he doesn't use RTK
>>135319192
There's no other way to study kanji ... the fuck are you talking about?
>>135319098
Keep at it, it will stick someday.
>65% correct
Sorta jealous to be honest.
>>135319228
>There's no other way to study kanji
>>135296564
>You need a legitimate argument to discredit a fallacious one
Surely you see the contradiction here
It's impossible to overstate how happy I am about learning Japanese.
Ahh, I'm so glad~. When I'm jerking off and I can actually read all the moonrunes that meant nothing a year ago, nothing is better.
>>135319279
Looks like "studying kanji" is really paying off for you, retard.
>>135319354
Point and laugh.
>>135319311
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy#Examples
>>135319417
So, how do we decide which side gets the luxury of using fallacy in their arguments, and which side doesn't?
>>135319453
Neither. You can't say someone's wrong just because their logic isn't right; that's invalid logic. You're both wrong. Get over it.
"Study kanji" is incredibly vague advice and one of the main reasons why /djt/ should be banned from /a/.
>>135319502
You can discredit someone's argument without saying that they're wrong.
>>135319575
>/djt/ should be banned from /a/.
Why?
>>135319575
i think /a/ should be banned from /djt/
>>135319592
You can discredit the logic, not what they're trying to argue.
>>135319592
Sure, but it doesn't make you right or them wrong. It just means they used bad logic once. That's the "Fallacy fallacy". Furthermore, in this case, the dude was misunderstanding the other so this whole discussion is moot.
>>135319502
>You can't say someone's wrong just because their logic isn't right; that's invalid logic. You're both wrong.
This might be the most glorious example of self-contradiction I have ever seen.
>>135319667
>Shifting the burden of proof in the event that your argument has a truck-sized hole in it
Reminder to never automatically suspend leeches.
>>135319784
>This might be the most glorious example of self-contradiction I have ever seen.
"The be wrong" has two definitions.
>Shifting the burden of proof in the event that your argument has a truck-sized hole in it
Burden of proof has literally nothing to do with this.
Those of you who read Flyable Heart: Answer this poll on whether you actually finished it: http://strawpoll.me/6378117
>>135319575
That's why you're supposed to learn kanji through vocab.
>>135319836
>"The be wrong" has two definitions.
To be wrong*
Kill me
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wrong#Noun
>>135319867
Give me 4-5 more days then I can vote yes.
>>135319836
>Burden of proof has literally nothing to do with this.
Think about it. Removing the requirement that an argument be free of fallacy opens the door for the following: You make any statement you want and then say "I used bad logic, but I'm still right. You have yet to prove me wrong."
>>135319938
You finished a route, that pretty much counts as finishing the VN.
>>135319784
>This might be the most glorious example of self-contradiction I have ever seen.
Not him, but there's nothing self-contradicting about it. A conclusion and an argument are two different things. If I argue that the two plus two must equal four because of the divine mystical order instituted by the God of wisdom, it doesn't change the fact that two plus two equals four. Claiming that someone's conclusion is false because their logic is incorrect is fallacious.
>>135319962
>Removing the requirement that an argument be free of fallacy
This has nothing to do with that. Nobody ever said that fallacious arguments are valid. You are projecting a different view onto the party that you're arguing with. Fuck off.
>>135320004
Nice meme.
>>135319867
I haven't even downloaded it, seems like a boring VN
>>135319803
reminder to always automatically suspend leeches until you're out of new cards to learn
>>135320025
ESL?
>>135320223
Just because someone incorrect doesn't mean they're wrong.
>>135320028
You would have that we must prove incorrect conclusions false, independently of the party that advances them, in order to discredit their argument. This is clearly shifting the burden of proof.
>>135320025
Under those assumptions, I can argue that 2+2=5 and tell you that you simply haven't discovered the logic that makes it true, therefore you can never tell me my conclusion is false.
Just seems like a lot of butthurt; you're more upset about the fact that anon just told you you're full of shit, rather than the more PC "you have yet to prove your argument sufficiently".
>>135320197
Literally no benefit to doing so. Suspending leeches is giving up.
>>135320324
Suspending leeches is not wasting time on cards you can't remember by brute force alone
>>135320234
>Under those assumptions, I can argue that 2+2=5 and tell you that you simply haven't discovered the logic that makes it true, therefore you can never tell me my conclusion is false.
No you can't, because it can be proven from the most fundamental axioms of mathematics that 2+2 = 4 and not 5. However, more broadly, yes, you absolutely cannot conclude that a claim is false just because the person making the claim has no evidence for it.
>>135320324
>Suspending leeches is giving up.
I don't mind giving up on 200 leeches, and saving a ton of time for use reading and constructively learning other words. Cut off baggage in order to go farther. Makes sense to me.
>>135320261
>You would have that we must prove incorrect conclusions false, independently of the party that advances them, in order to discredit their argument.
Yeah, no. Fuck off. You apparently cannot help but project your implications on the other party. Find the quote where someone said you MUST prove incorrect logic false in order to disprove the conclusion. Spoiler: nobody said it, and nobody said you have to do it. You're jumping to conclusions, about what the other party thinks, too. For shame.
>>135320352
This.
>>135320352
Meant for >>135320261
>>135320349
>>135320361
FUCK YOU FAGGOTS
>>135319876
You mean to learn like this:
牧草 > ぼくそう > pasture, grass
牧畜 > ぼくちく > stock-farming
牧童 > ぼくどう > cowboy, shepherd
Instead of this?
牧
breed, care for, shepherd, feed, pasture
Kun: まき
On: ボク
草
grass, weeds, herbs, pasture, write, draft
Kun: くさ、 くさ-、 -ぐさ
On: ソウ
畜
juvenile, child
Kun: わらべ
On: ドウ
>>135320352
This. You can't disprove 2+2=5 by saying that their logic is wrong. You can only disprove 2+2=5 by *actually disproving* 2+2=5. Funny thing is, the fundamental postulates of math prove that 2+2 can only equal 4! Math is an internally consistent logical system, after all. There is only one truth.
A better example would probably be the fact that .999 repeating is equal to 1. Common sense dictates this is false. Actual math dictates this is true.
>>135320420
Yes, basically.
Someone: The moon is made out of rocks because planetary bodies are made out of rocks
Me: Fallacy of false generalization. There exist planetary bodies not made out of rocks. Therefore your argument is false.
If you can disprove the conclusion based on a flaw in the logic, you can disprove true things by disproving invalid logic arguing in favor of those true things.
Therefore, disproving conclusions based on flaws in the logic is invalid.
>>135320497
This is because repeating digits are defined as "this thing, divided by the same number of nines digits". 0.3333~ is 3333/9999. 0.999~ is 999/999.
Nothing weird about it. It's just unintuitive.
>>135320420
You're arguing against yourself my friend.
The first method has 9 pieces of information, the second has like 30, 2/3 of which are irrelevant to learning the words 牧草 牧畜 牧童, and you have no idea which ones make which combination.
>>135320378
>Find the quote where someone said you MUST prove incorrect logic false in order to disprove the conclusion.
See >>135319667
It's a true statement. How else would you positively discredit their conclusion, other than to prove it false, using valid logic?
>>135320597
>Nothing weird about it. It's just unintuitive.
Yes that's exactly what I said.
>>135320445
What if the symbol 5 is actually used to represent 4 in my country? That'll suddenly make it true.
>>135320578
>>135320606
It sure is easier like that, but im worried about encountering unknown kanji combinations while I will read something in japanese.
>>135320597
>Therefore, disproving conclusions based on flaws in the logic is invalid.
Obviously. This was never in question.
If you look closely, you'll see the issue at hand is, "should we seriously examine conclusions reached through invalid logic?" I would say no.
>>135320420
>learning readings
>learning kanjidict definitions
You fucked up
>>135320606
He was being facetious and arguing against what he was saying. Not that I agree with him.
>>135320631
That post doesn't say what you claim it says. It said nothing about disproving. If you take that "discredit" as "disprove", then your entire semantics game falls apart. Good job. You're inconsistent.
>How else would you positively discredit their conclusion, other than to prove it false
"How do you discredit something without proving it false"
I dunno, by discrediting it???
>>135320662
Then it's 4, not 5. Math doesn't care about the symbols used to notate numbers, it only defines the behavior of abstract numbers. Algorithms that use place value systems are built upon the epheremal "math itself"; they aren't one and the same thing.
>>135320758
>If you look closely, you'll see the issue at hand is, "should we seriously examine conclusions reached through invalid logic?"
Except it's not. Can you say it in red? You can't, can you?
>>135320739
Just draw it in Google's thing, you'll end up wasting less time than you would by learning every kanji and reading out there.
>>135320758
>Obviously. This was never in question.
>>135319311
>>135319453
>>135320758
>samefagging off-topic arguments
Kill yourself.
>>135320739
That's literally guaranteed to happen, literally millions of times... If you can't handle that just quit right away.
>>135320631
>positively discredit their conclusion, other than to prove it false
What does "positively discredit" mean here? Does it mean disprove, or merely portray as very unlikely?
>>135320810
It's a 4 that looks like 5, thus fooling the uncultured viewer who'll think that it's wrong.
>>135320825
>>135320810
>Except it's not. Can you say it in red? You can't, can you?
Right here: >>135296564
We were talking about "discrediting an argument".
At some point (probably here >>135319687) the goalpost got shifted to proving them "right or wrong"
>>135320739
You're basically saying you're worried about encountering unknown words. You think you're going to know every word in existence before you can read? That's just stupid.
>>135320947
Aspects of reality that are subject to interpretation based on the viewer mumble grumble something not part of how the example is portrayed yawn rub eye go back to philosophy 101
>>135320992
>We were talking about "discrediting an argument".
I don't care what you *were* talking about. You said *is*; what "the issue at hand *is*". That is no longer the issue. I don't care what a previous exchange were arguing about. You're wrong now. That's all that matters.
>>135321073
But it's the same thread of discussion, anon. What they were talking about then is what I am talking about now. Calm down.
>>135321157
>What they were talking about then is what I am talking about now
Except you yourself have roped your statements around the current conversation. You cannot pretend that the context of your own statements, using the same words, frame of mind, and series of responses of argument B, is actually part of argument A. If that were valid, anybody could wiggle their way out of any argument they lost by saying they were arguing about something completely unrelated.
>>135321019
You're just upset because I've crushed your argument.
Learning Japanese.
>>135321224
cats have wings
lol "cat" actually means "quail" silly anon xD
>samefagging
Kill yourself.
>>135321259
Man, you couldn't be any more butthurt.
>>samefagging
What?
The LOGH books are way better than the anime. Even this opening scene makes it obvious how much the anime leaves out. Like in the book Reinhardt actually explains his plans and シュターデン中将 basically implies Reinhardt is an idiot and that it won't work in a long winded spiel about how Reinhardt is just trying to avoid retreating in order to gain fame for himself. To which Reinhardt reasonable concludes:
>こいつは無能なだけでなく低能だ
Whereas in the anime, Reinhardt doesn't explain onscreen or listen to any argument, essentially just telling'm to fuck off.
https://youtu.be/R9ktgN80MP4?t=292
https://youtu.be/R9ktgN80MP4?t=345
In short, Japanese is worth learning for books and LNs because anime adaptations are not as good.
>arguing for the sake of arguing
>>135321314
>Man, you couldn't be any more butthurt.
That is literally your argument though. "Symbol X actually means Y, therefore conventionally incorrect statement containing X can actually be correct". This is straight out of philosophy 101. Spoiler: it's wrong. Language means what it means, not what it doesn't.
Fuck sake I want to listen to raw anime for listening comprehension but it's so annoying having to pause and rewind every 5 seconds
>>135321351
You noticed this just now?
>>135321402
Don't then
>>135321221
>You cannot pretend that the context of your own statements, using the same words, frame of mind, and series of responses of argument B, is actually part of argument A.
Of course you can, if argument B is a lemma of argument A. You clearly have no mathematical or logical training. Just stop.
You tried to shift the goalposts and got caught. Hurry back to your fallacy fallacy so you can claim you aren't full of shit.
>>135321427
But I can't understand what they're saying like 70% of the time, so I have to
>>135321403
I haven't read any books with anime adaptations I've seen. Also that last line was just an append to make it look like my post is relevant to learning Japanese when in reality I just didn't have anywhere else to post about Japanese books.
The immensity of learning a language is overwhelming me
>>135321446
>if argument B is a lemma of argument A
Yeah, IFF. Which this arugment B is not, because it involves several completely different people and every party has made claims contrary to the foundation of argument A.
>You clearly have no mathematical or logical training.
Nice "poisoning the well".
>You tried to shift the goalposts and got caught.
I am literally 100% completely unrelated to every single last statement that was made before the argument changed. By the time I was here. you had already made statements contrary to the ones you made in argument A.
>Hurry back to your fallacy fallacy so you can claim you aren't full of shit.
Someone's mad.
>>135321376
It's not wrong. Language changes and evolves all the time. You'll only have to look at how some Japanese pronouns have changed to basically mean the opposite of their former selves to see this.
>>135321492
Milestones are okay to set, but focus on and learn to enjoy the journey rather than fixating on the end goal and you'll end up enjoying it much more.
>>135321446
Being part of a different context doesn't make a fundamentally incorrect statement wrong. >>135320825
This:
>>135320992
>We were talking about "discrediting an argument".
Is bullshit. What you were doing before can't redefine everything so entirely as to make future incorrect statements right. Those statements are still incorrect.
>>135321492
brio, just take it easy. use billions of new resources keep building it up, you WILL learn Japanese as long as you don't quit. It's just a time game.
>>135321492
Take it easy. You're going to be learning bit by bit over several years. A language is enormous, but you have a lot of time, and over a lot of time learning a language becomes much more manageable.
>>135321629
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept
Enjoy!
>>135321448
Play it at a slower speed?
>>135321686
The underlying concept here is that you're a pretentious high school kid trying to show off.
Why do these threads get so off-topic?
>>135320445
>>135320597
>>135320992
>>135321073
>>135321376
>>135321645
>>135321761
Guys stop. If you have time to argue do some study instead.
>>135321761
Except I'm an educated adult and you're the one trying to show off by saying stupid shit like >>135320947 that only an idiot would find amusing let alone valid.
>>135321790
Because they're full of argumentative autists.
>>135321849
>tfw I was the guy who mentioned the fallacy fallacy
>tfw like 5 other people have started fighting over it while I sit back and watch
Feels good to not be argumentative
>>135321849
We're not argumentative autists.
>>135321909
Yes you are.
>>135321909
I am.
>>135320420
I do it like this:
牧
breed, care for, shepherd, feed, pasture
草
grass, weeds, herbs, pasture, write, draft
牧草 > ぼくそう > pasture, grass
and a few more building on previous
童
juvenile, child
牧童 > ぼくどう > cowboy, shepherd
and a few more building on previous
畜
livestock
牧畜 > ぼくちく > stock-farming
and a few more building on previous
>>135321807
Okay, buddy. I'm sure you're your philosophy teacher's favourite bum chum, but try to chill a bit, okay.
>>135321981
>implying I'm in school
>>135322063
>With these overpriced prints, you can ALMOST remember a very small number of extremely simple, pictographic chinese characters?
>>135322001
>implying you fucking aren't
>>135322131
NEETlyfe, bruh
>>135322063
>turtle
JUST
I'd fuck that chink though, family
>>135322163
You're a recent dropout then.
>>135322199
Nope. Try again.
>>135322216
Are you 5?
Why can't you just shut up for a second and go learn Japanese?
>>135322258
Nope. Try again.
>>135322279
You're a big fucking cunt.
That's an indisputable fact, btw.
>>135322355
Unfortunately I am not a giant human vagina nor am I a giant human cat.
I can't fucking do this. I've been sitting here for over an hour failing the same 5-10 words.
>>135322483
Nice gif there friendo. They don't got webms in Europe?
>>135322575
Just get yourself a wank and try again, usually works for me.
>>135322575
Time to do RTK or make up mnemonics for the readings.
>>135322575
go take a walk and try it again later.
>>135322575
Spend more time paying attention to the part of the words pronunciation that is associated to each kanji. It even helps to read them in reverse order to make sure you're not cheating yourself. Try to associate those sounds to those kanji for that word.
It might also help to glance at the kanji "meanings" as a mnemonic although you shouldn't try to memorize them.
>>135322575
Bury or suspend them.
>>135322575
Ｙｏｕ ｃａｎｎｏｔ ｌｅａｒｎ Ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ．
>>135323130
ＨE
CAN
>>135323211
DEKIRUYO
Why are there two different "oh", お and を?
宇宙人ようにサイトです。
>>135322063
This bullshit made me laugh the first time I saw it. Then I realised that really dumb normies might actually think it'd work. Then I laughed even harder.
>>135323329
There aren't. Speakers of some languages can't tell the difference between wo and o.
>やれやれ、男ってのは顔がすべてなのか？
What the hell is 顔がすべて?
>>135323687
It's 顔が統べる = "The face controls" in te-form.
>>135323329
を is ****only**** used as a particle. Using it any other way is like using the capital I randomly in the mIddle of normal lowercase words. Yes, this helps a lot.
It's also still sometimes pronounced wo.
>>135323687
Yareyare, is face all that matters to men?
>>135322063
saved to wank bank
YAREYARE DAZEI
>>135323844
For men, bud.
>>135324079
Looks like I can't learn English either.
まあ、いいか
>>135324119
"To men" is right, there.
>>135324818
They both sound correct to me.
Oh, I've got it!
My Year 3 goal will be to finish a book of LOGH.
Wh is he teaching the Zodiac signs for the JLPT REEEEEEEE
>>135325114
http://jisho.org/search/%E4%B8%91
Yeah those aren't even JLPT
>>135324818
"to men" sounds like what matters to them is only the face (of girls or something) when it actually says that the only quality that matters of men is their face, so maybe it should be "of men".
>>135325194
naisu soosu
>間接キッスですね。
>we are just like a couple.
I wanted off this ride, and now I'm doing it.
>>135325427
Learning Japanese is like that bit in the Matrix where Neo is a pincushion because he's never used his muscles before. It's like "holy shit, now I have to re-read EVERYTHING".
>>135325427
Nice screen resolution
>>135325427
Proof they actually said that?
カ and 力...
>>135325515
Date a live S2 EP6 7:30 minutes in, check it yourself.
>>135325427
For a second I thought you were posting a translation and felt very shitty that I couldn't make the connection.
>>135325556
ロ口囗
ノレル
>>135325556
You won't have many occasions to mistake them.
>>135325640
>For a second I thought you were posting a translation
I am, just not my translation.
>>135325640
>felt very shitty that I couldn't make the connection.
You shouldn't, it was a shitty fan translation.
>>135325736
Those subs are from crunchyroll aren't they
>>135325677
hope not
>>135325677
only the dead can know peace from this debauchery
>Using Anki cards
>They are in english
>mfw learning both japanese and english
>>135325778
I'm not sure if FFF uses CR scripts, but maybe they do.
>>135325736
>>135325788
What is this?
>>135325736
>>135325788
A new kind of faggotry?
>>135325801
whats your normal tongue
better not be elvish i hate elves
>>135325870
i tried to quote someone else >>135325671
but it stuck on your post twice, idk
>>135312500
You ordered the fourth volume, does that mean you finished reading the other three? Is this series actually good?
>>135325338
How do you know it means exactly that? Couldn't it also be some woman bitching about how men only care about how a womans face looks?
>>135322575
Write them 5-10 times each. You need to make a stronger connection for them.
>>135325882
elvish
>>135326467
I took a break to jerk off and do some other stuff but I'm still sitting here doing them. I guess I'll write them because this is the absolute worst day I've had so far.
>>135326684
Just fuck it off and call it a day.
>>135326684
Doing this is making it even harder for your brain to accept the meaning of the words. You're in semantic satisfaction. You can't learn them like this. Just bury them.
I'm angry.
>>135326924
Chill, man. Tomorrow is a new day.
chuuni is unironically cool desu
>>135327131
同感だ
Guys, I feel like 20 cards a day is too few. Should I increase the number of cards?
>>135327131
一致よ。
>>135326609
Is she doing the condom challenge?
>>135327239
Increase to 30, get used to it, if you do, then increase to 40.
>>135327239
No. 2 cards a day should be enough for you.
>>135327239
Increase it to 27, or if that's still too few 54 or some other multiple of 27.
>>135327396
Ah, why 27? I'm confused?
>>135327239
Try 50. If that's too much , then steadily reduce it until it becomes manageable.
>>135327239
I would say 20 is too much. The fact is you will easily learn Japanese in a reasonable amount of time doing only 10 words a day, don't burn yourself out.
>>135327438
3 is a trinity, 9 is a trinity of trinities, 27 is a trinity of trinity of trinities. If you choose numbers with mystical significance your retention will go up.
>>135327346
>>135327368
>>135327396
>>135327463
>>135327463
>>135327464
>>135327464
Thanks guys, I'll increase it to 40 then.
Having such a huge backlog of stuff puts me on despair and urges me to learn nip very fast.
>>135327239
Post stats.
>>135327561
Don't increase it so steeply. Do 30 for a couple days, /then/ change it to 40.
>>135327561
You idiot.
If you want to learn Japanese quickly, do a lot of reading practice. Doing a lot of anki is just going to burn you out. And before you say "but reading practice is haaaard" well guess what bud, you're the one wanting to learn Japanese fast.
>>135327537
That's some occult shit... I'm a Christian, so no.
>>135327692
Trinities have mystical significance BECAUSE of the Holy Trinity. It's coded into the structure of the universe. 3 is a number which reverberates in time with God's will.
>>135327787
>not 7
die
>>135327833
7 is powerful as well, but not as powerful as 3.
3s and 7s are fine and all, but check this 5
>>135327948
Dekinai, get Ye gone! This is a place of Steve, our God in Heaven.
>>135328017
Nah, Steve's a kike.
what the fuck is ダーツバー? Dartsbar?
why is this suddenly あ and not す
imma spit it
>>135328290
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%83%84%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC&biw=1366&bih=696&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQ6YSRrv3JAhXDqIMKHcCUAFMQ_AUIBygC
Looks like it.
>>135328290
Like a pub?
>>135328340
Kana randomly change like that at times. You kind of just have to accept it.
>>135328290
>ダーツバー
I'm guessing A bar you can play darts in.
