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>>135216957
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.
OSOltsu
Daily reps and good Character retention will come to you but only if you post "Thanks Steve" in this thread
>>135265596
>file name
>>135265614
Nah, fuck Steve.
ヤマノススメ1～10
2、6~10 are digital rips from 楽天.
https://mega.nz/#F!70NxFIyb!qtO84K1AVRJMmRoWsrPqXA
Uploading at this moment, should be done in a few minutes. I'll post the link in the feedback form for the CoR spreadsheet.
Anyone got some manga recommendations? Difficulty doesn't matter. Been readingYuru Yuribut I think I'm getting bored (maybe because I've seen the anime)
>>135266114
What about 大室家
Just as good as yryr but there's only like 2 volumes unfortunately
>>135266114
Claymore's pretty hype if you can get into it.
If you read that a while ago, Oyasumi PunPun.
>>135265614
Thanks Steve
>>135266114
Look up the post above yours. Have you read this series?
Hey all. I have a question.
I'm learning Chinese, and apple is this: 苹果 . I heard kanji and hanzi are almost the same, so I plugged this into the translator with jp->eng setting. The output was "Ringo", which I know is apple in Japanese.
Do you know why this may be? Do those two characters make sense in japanese too?
>>135266195
>>135266229
>>135266277
I'll check these all out thanks guys
>>135266419
Yes, yes, yes.
>>135266419
No one writes apple like 苹果 in Japanese anymore. It's still in dictionaries as a relic of the past. If you want to write 'ringo' in kanji it would be 林檎 but that's also a novelty way of writing it. The normal way would be just in hiragana or katakana.
>>135266490
I'm in the process of ripping volume 13 of ゆるゆり, as the scans floating around are shit, if you haven't read volume 13 yet. I'll pop the link up in a few minutes.
>>135266419
如果你真的要学好华文，你必须在路边拉屎至少一次，然后吗那些洋鬼子为什么要一直说中国人民又笨又穷又肮脏
>tfw still no new game vol 2 scans
>>135266735
Yeah I recognize some of those
>>135266742
This, yeah?
http://books.rakuten.co.jp/rb/13116356/
>>135266622
Ya but I'm still on vol 2 so I'll take me a while to get there
>>135266802
Hold up, you're on volume 2 and getting bored?
Don't really understand how something so cute, funny and generally warm can be boring but maybe it isn't for you. What was it about the anime you enjoyed if you enjoyed that?
>>135266742
>actually reading that shit
>>135266863
>actually liking what I don't like.
>>135266114
Chikyuu no Houkago is a fun read that I picked up from a recommendation by some jap who posted a thread of his favourite manga a few weeks ago. You'll be done with it in a few days or even just one afternoon.
Fun fact: It's been stuck in translation limbo for who knows how long despite the fact that it's so easy (vocabulary and grammar wise) and has good scans.
>>135266790
Yup, that's the one
>>135266863
>not reading the best mango since yotsuba
>Japanese Kanji AND Kana
>A COMPLETE GUIDE TO THE JAPANESE WRITING SYSTEM
>WOLFGANG HADAMITZKY & MARK SPAHN
how bad is this? AFAICT It is more helpful than RTK
>>135266892
>>135266923
It's just plain bad. Even japs don't like it.
>>135266858
Just need to find that magic again I guess. Gonna read some now.
>>135267070
That must be the reason it's getting an anime, right?
>>135266923
>Yup, that's the one
Give me a few minutes and I'll upload a rip of it.
On a previously related note, pic related is the same page from the rakuten rip and the scans floating around, from ゆるゆり volume 13. Holy fucking shit, that difference.
>>135267070
Do you eat shit? A billion flies can't be wrong.
>>135266742
Why would you torture yourself with that shit
>>135267179
Plenty of bad shit has got an anime adaptation. The publishers are just desperate to make it sell at least a few copies.
>>135267220
Even the flies don't want to eat this shit.
>>135267220
What the fuck is wrong with yui's arms
>>135267220
>they still haven't replaced the tea ceremony club sign with a 娯楽部 one for what purpose
>>135267304
They look fine to me.
ゆるゆり第13巻
https://mega.nz/#F!Gh0zgZiZ!VFKLaRuWxL8gyDFvKWSVeQ
NEW GAME！第2巻
https://mega.nz/#!y59DEB7R!q42AE8V2eCsolDog6vG2htfTP14VWOGhaaizNpRzU8s
>>135267631
Lateral angular perspective shift, yeah?
>>135267631
Well, her right arm is fine but her left arm is bent awkwardly, you're right. Her shoulders should be pivoted more counterclockwise for that motion to be anatomically correct.
>>135265899
Added to the CoR. Thanks anon.
<900 kanji left in RTK 1! I will complete them and surely be at JLPT N1 level instantly!
Where can I find my mature cards? I can't see it in the browser anywhere.
>>135267855
ganbare anon
>>135267883
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mature
>>135267883
check statistics bruh
>>135267923
So useful man. Didn't think of that one at all.
>>135267883
Try putting this into your browser search bar
prop:ivl>=21
It should show cards with intervals at/over 21 days, which I think is the default interval definition for mature cards in Anki.
>>135267983
>Can I manually mature some cards
>>135268032
Could be for testing purposes or if someone is starting a deck with facts they already have a mature understanding of, etc. There are a fair few reasons why someone would want to do something like that.
>>135268099
I like to jump to conclusions though.
>>135268032
ease modifier 100000% :^)
>>135268117
I thought you did
>>135268032
That's a very rapeable face right there.
>>135268117
Fair enough, I like to jump in puddles.
Are there scans for よつばと！ volume 13 around? I'll rip a digital version if it hasn't been upped yet.
>>135268216
>Fair enough, I like to jump in puddles.
Could you stop being so cute, please? I'm trying to study over here.
Just fuck my shit up senpai
>>135268307
Like, find all the conjugations for the character 生 and you're nearly done
>>135268307
kek
>>135268290
Does 4chanX have Anki integration now?
>>135265614
Thanks Steve
>>135268307
laughing out loud desu
>>135267798
Thank you for the mangos
>>135268216
>Are there scans for よつばと！ volume 13 around?
Nothing on Nyaa atleast, no clue where else to look for them
>>135267798
Wow thanks anon
>>135268307
Make sure to share it on facebook
>>135268508
Had a look at Rakuten just now, they don't have a digital copy yet.
does this scanlation contain an accurate representation of this character's tone of voice?
specifically "faggot ass" and "my fuckin' bones"
>>135268606
Faggot-ass is such a great phrase.
Does a pretty decent job of expressing the sentiments in that frame.
>>135268606
Yeah. This is actually a really good translation, no sarcasm. Obviously the original Japanese doesn't have anything to do with "faggot" as in homosexuality but it gets the tone right which is more importany here.
>>135268606
The tone and general meaning is conveyed sufficiently. 'Faggot' might turn some people off but this isn't a official scanlation so the translator felt free to run wild I guess. I've seen the BH translation of this scene and it totally loses the impact.
>>135268413
Yup, it translates all the memes to Japanese on the fly. desu -> 本当だぜ, senpai -> 家族, for you -> お前がだ
>>135268606
This has always been my favorite berserk moment.
The translator captured his rage well, even if it was using the word faggot.
>>135268606
he looks less angry in the right one somehow
>>135268724
>>135268731
>>135268784
I dunno about you guys but turning the tone conveyed by てめえ into faggot-ass is going pretty overboard to the point of perhaps being unfaithful to the original. It doesn't read similar to the Japanese at all.
>>135268290
good use of smuh
>>135267798
How do you want new vols that aren't in the same mega folder added to the CoR? Is a 第1-12巻 link and a 第13巻 link fine?
Also, we don't seem to have New Game in the CoR, so if you could upload the 1st volume in the same folder and format the information that would go into the CoR similarly to how >>135265899 did in the feedback form, I'll add that to the CoR as well.
Why are babies red?
>圧力
>快楽
LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE
>>135268876
Well, that's translation for ya. "You monsters I don't like" or something wouldn't read well at all, obviously. In English you use swear words to convey raw rage in that sense so there's not much else you can do. However, I see that some wouldn't like the use of "faggot-ass" because of the implications it has in English though, even though I personally think it's great.
I wish I had someone who would hold my hand ;_;
>>135268876
It's not about translating the words, it's translating the meaning and tone. As we all know Japanese doesn't have real swear words like other langauges so it's part of the translator's job to guess whether the character would say such words and whether the character is angry enough to use them. In the end it boils down to how unacceptable or foul words are to you as an individual. And as someone who has been on the internet since he was a kid I think it's perfectly fine.
>>135269051
Get a 抱き枕
>>135269135
Fucking goddammit I don't even know this anime but all I think of when I see this girl is 'ayy lmao'
>>135268876
>It doesn't read similar to the Japanese at all.
The tone seems to match pretty well, which is kind of entirely what that frame is about, isn't it, expressing a certain emotion?
>>135268908
>How do you want new vols that aren't in the same mega folder added to the CoR? Is a 第1-12巻 link and a 第13巻 link fine?
Hmm, that is a bit of a split, isn't it. Give me a couple of minutes and I'll upload 1~12 into the same linked folder, if you want to use a single link.
>Also, we don't seem to have New Game in the CoR, so if you could upload the 1st volume in the same folder and format
I'll have a look to see if there is a rip floating around for the first volume and I'll up that into the same linked folder. As to the information, I'll add them to that linked spreadsheet like the previous one. Wasn't aware they weren't in the CoR- though I didn't check.
>>135269031
>>135269095
I mean, you can tell he's mad, but it's a more of a seething rage, not full blown cursing. I didn't say they translated てめえ poorly, I said they translated the tone poorly, that the Japanese reads differently from the right. I don't give a single fuck that they added cursing in three lines that didn't have any equivalent in Japanese. I understand liberal translation. And it is my opinion that this liberal translation went overboard to the point of not reflecting the tone original text very well. I kind of get the feeling that people are looking at the Japanese with a biased perspective due to the corruptive influence of the translation on the right.
>>135269209
>The tone seems to match pretty well
I mean, did you read the Japanese?
I'm gonna duck outta this conversation though, since it's a debate of opinion and it seems I'm in the minority. No bully pls
>>135269281
Faggot ass anon
>>135268307
Funny, that's about 3000 more than I expected.
>>135269191
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=mori+wakako+mkv
Do yourself and watch it, they're hella short episodes and it's a great show. Disable subtitles if your nip is good enough and want to learn some food words, or press "s" to switch to the "ayy lmao" sub track.
>>135269281
>I kind of get the feeling that people are looking at the Japanese with a biased perspective due to the corruptive influence of the translation on the right.
Fair enough; I haven't read Berserk in the original Japanese so I was mostly going off that single frame.
>>135269281
>I mean, did you read the Japanese?
Yeah, although I'm thinking that the reaction between the two of us is likely a cultural one. I'm not American and phrases like "faggot-ass" almost assuredly are appreciated in a different manner by people around here. It's a different English language culture and as another anon touched, I also am not familiar with the source material at all.
>>135268606
>人間様
Somehow It's never occured to me that you could do this to denigrate other species.
>>135269408
>Do yourself
Oops. Do yourself a favor*.Or do yourself. That's fine too.
>>135269408
Fuck you, you know I have to download it if you spoonfeed it right to me.
Thanks, downloading the whole thing now.
Anybody got plans for the new year?
Travelling to Japan or trying to get into the JET scheme? A lot of the people here in the U.K who I've met studying Japanese really want to find a life in Japan.
>>135269408
>http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=mori+wakako+mkv
>0_0
>>135269543
I think people are deluding themselves when they magically discover Japan and its appeal. Japan is and always will be for Japanese people. Living there as a foreigner will always come with a label of you being different.
>>135269543
I don't know. I had plans the last two years:
Year 1 - Don't give up, read 1 full VN - check
Year 2 - Read 12 vns - check
Year 3 - ?
but have no what to do this year.
>>135269614
I guess that just makes it more of an attraction for people; even if the quality of life is different for non-ethnic japanese.
>>135269634
>Year 3: meet Japanese gf
>year 4: meet Japanese gf
>year 5: meet Japanese bf
>year 6: fall in love
>year 7: suicide
>>135269543
I'll open the MOGRA stream at 4pm sharp on the 31st, party hard until 4am, sleep 5-6 hours then tune in to r/a/dio and usher in the new year with the murricans while writing mushy and overly sentimental drunkposts.
>>135269681
I'd like something possible to achieve, pelase
>>135269543
>Anybody got plans for the new year?
Taking steps that will hopefully result in the next year without lapses into major depressive episodes. So basically maintaining the current routine and exercise routinely. The Japanese related stuff is a bit part of that structure and mental upkeep but everything is at this point on autopilot.
Used to struggle studying but now it is easier to do than anything else. Anki is the best thing for making sure to maintain daily study, even if you don't want to.
>>135269634
Read 144 vns, get another 12 people on board with learning Japanese
>>135269709
>Year 4: read 1728 vns
>>135269744
All of them have to be marked 50+ hours on vndb and you have to do every route, too.
>>135269634
>year 1: don't give up
>year 2: don't give up
>year 3: don't give up
...
>year N: don't give up
>>135269614
I wonder if Japanese are as afraid of foreigners as I am afraid ofsandniggers
>>135269706
Keep it up dude. You're on the right track.
>>135269614
>Living there as a foreigner will always come with a label of you being different.
How is that in any way any different for, say, introverted natives or the small portion of a population who can see through the bullshit of the rat race, feel alienated from mainstream media and normalfaggotry driven society, but are not rich enough to not really still be apart of it?
I'd say there is a large amount of people around the world who will never really feel as though belonging, nor really want to belong.
>>135269804
Do you live in europe? Otherwise you have no real reason to be afraid.
Has anyone tried Michel Thomas' method here before? I did Pimsleur before I started taking classes, then I stopped having time for classes, continued by myself with Anki, and then I got back to classes.
Not having time again, I am faced with a problem, as I wish to continue practising Japanese. I can't even study while I commute, as I never even have a seat on the train.
As such, I have come to the conclusion that my next step are audio classes.
Other suggestions are appreciated.
>>135269842
Yes and Sweden of all places.
>>135269709
I've introduced anki, reading, steve, etc, all the important resources and how to use them to around 3 people, maybe 4, and every single person has given up within a week. One guy even took a year of Japanese in high school but couldn't maintain anki for any substantial time. So, man, fuck that. There's a limit to controlling and influencing other people's lives, it seems.
>>135269799
I actually can't give up anymore. I've already won. I read manga, watch anime, and play games all in Japanese now. Just for fun. I can't lose. Giving up doesn't mean anything anymore. I already know Japanese. However LOGH still has too high a vocabulary and I still stumble on understanding sometimes so I still like to set learning goals or what have you.
>>135269915
Oh wow.
Sorry to hear that.
>>135269915
Well.
Yeah.
There's that.
>>135269915
ご冥福をお祈りします
>>135269859
No idea who Michel Thomas is. Audio only is insufficient. There's no way you don't have 15 minutes a day for anki at least. That alone won't teach you Japanese but eh.
>>135269859
Do you need to sit down to use your phone?
Almost any smartphone that came out in the past five years can display PDFs. If you have a phone running android or iOS you can download Anki, or use Ankiweb.
Or just port it if you're using the N9.
>>135269915
Born too late to discover the world. Born too early to discover the universe. Born just in time to fight in the Muslim Cleansing of Europe.
which board do I have to browse to stop seeing off-topic /pol/posting
>>135269951
>>135269963
One day our politicians will fix this immigration issue! Ahahh who am I kidding. At least it gives me more reason to work towards one day moving to Japan
>>135269915
Emigrate or fight the race war.
>>135270070
Tumblr and Reddit.I don't like /pol/ either, but it's 4chan y'know? You have to accept it as part of the package.
>>135270130
Reddit actually is pretty filled with the same sentiment believe it or not. That's what happens when the bulk of your userbase is male teenagers.
>>135270130
>>135270167
/pol/ should be shut down. It's failing in its only purpose as a containment board. It's existence directly increases the quantity of offtopic posts on other boards.
Hell, at any given moment over half of /v/ has more to do with /pol/ than with video games.
>>135269915
And now, white man, you will learn to obey
>>135270070
Filter all words you consider '/pol/'; You might still see '/pol/' images and '/pol/' videos outside 4chan though.
The next step is to disconnect yourself from the Internet. Just throw out your ethernet cable or smash your router. Surely those pesky neckbearded keyboard warriors can't get you now.
Then you pick up a newspaper and realise that '/pol/' exists in real life, they're protected by free speech and you can't filter them or pretend they're not there.
There's nothing more you can do. As you're unable to accept the reality that people with different opinions from you exist around you, there is no choice but to tie a nice, tight hangman's knot and kill yourself you fucking faggot.
>>135270103
If you like the heat, maybe look into Somalia. All the Somalians seem to be scattering to Europe and the UK. Who is going to live in Somalia then, the Ethiopians? Their Christian values might be more inline with some European nations than Islamic nations are. Now that could turn out to be a pretty funny twist occuring within the next few hundred years: Europe and the UK becoming an Islamic centre and Africa becoming a Christian centre.
>>135270248
Nothing in the thread is really /pol/tard content, though. For one there hasn't been a spree of infographic dumps, the word "degenerate" being used as punctuation, and the like. Off topic, yeah, /pol/ off topic, not that far my fellow goy.
>>135270167
True, but unlike here, it's not outright anti-Islam, it's more of just a sentiment. There you have to say "I oppose Muslim immigration," here you can say "fuck all sandniggers."
>>135270248
Okay, but like you said earlier, it's off-topic stuff, so let's knock it off and get back to japs rather than sandies. Anyone who used to like browsing /v/ (like myself) is well aware that it's been nigh-unbrowsable for nearly three years and its quality decline was only accelerated byGamergateand /pol/ stuff. And that's a shame. But DJT is not really the place to be talking about it.
/neutral sage
>>135270248
It's not gonna happen, and anyway /a/ is pretty good at shutting down random instances of /pol/ shitposting.
More importantly, they have no real power and are constantly wrong, which is hilarious whenever you can call them out and watch them backpedal. Just get some thicker skin and ignore it when you can.
And even more importantly, J A P A N E S E.
>>135270388
>Nothing in the thread is really /pol/tard content, though.
/pol/ is short for politics
guess what this is
>>135270375
>There's nothing more you can do. As you're unable to accept the reality that people with different opinions from you exist around you,
That has nothing to do with anything.
I just don't want /pol/ to show up on threads that have nothing to do with /pol/ on boards that aren't /pol/.
I don't care what opinions are expressed in a newspaper, but I don't want the politics section to be mixed into the sports section.
Nigger.
>>135270425
Pretty sure it's short for politically incorrect dude
You moroooons!
Japanese. Language. Learning.
>>135270425
/pol/ is short for politically incorrect, and you known damn well what it insinuates.
>>135270468
How do I say 'triggered' in japanese?
>>135270534
気持ち悪い probably does the trick
>>135270481
>>135270507
The board is for politics. Discussion of politics goes there. Not in a thread about learning Japanese on an anime board. I know what it insinuates, but as >>135270467 states, its not the politically incorrect stuff we want out, it's the politics in non-political threads we want out.
Daily Jew Thread
>>135269051
私の手はとても汗だく。
If we're already being off-topic (and the thread is having a surge of activity), I'd like use the chance to invite everyone here to check out the new guide which is currently being worked on. Please feel free to leave feedback, it is highly appreciated.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H8lw5gnep7B_uZAbHLfZPWxJlzpykP5H901y6xEYVsk/edit?usp=sharing
Happy holidays and happy learning.
>>135270569
I don't mind it if it's not too autistic and if the thread is inactive.
I remember when some guy posted a really obvious bait comment about mericunts getting shot by cops and more than 50 butthurt replies being deleted though. That was a blast.
>>135270668
What's wrong with the current guide?
>>135270668
Add "Watch anime" in big bold letters at the start of the guide
>>135270719
>What's wrong with the current guide?
Lotta bloat, not enough focus on the importance of reading. IIRC.
>>135270668
>For further information on Hiragana, see the following resources:
>hjkdsfhjksdf
>dsfghjkdsfgghjk
Hmm I see
>>135270719
>What's wrong with the current guide?
It's too obvious that it was written by a sperg.
>>135270668
Thanks man.
>>135270719
It's fine but could be better, explaining more about methods such as RTK, why you may or may not want to use them, what options you have starting out, where to go and what to do after finishing grammar guides and Core, more resources for easing reading, better explanations of Anki than that minimal pastebin page, etc.
>>135270806
>It's too obvious that it was written by a sperg.
You are aware that the previous guide was crowd sourced and open to editing just like the current one is. Before the ~guide maintainer~ hijacked and locked it like a year ago it was completely open.
Does anyone actually read through all the long explanations on how japanese is different from english and all that shit? If not I think it's a good idea to have a 'summary' version of the guide simply giving sources for kana, writing, vocab, listening compre, production and a short justification for why we advocate that method of learning.
Even the new guide, incomplete as it is, feels way too wordy for me. Newcomers probably wouldn't want to read all of that stuff and would just post here asking for the best method for learning x.
>>135270952
>feels way too wordy for me.
At the current moment it is LITERALLY 1.5 pages and practically all of it is useful information. It's all stuff they will need to read and learn eventually anyway, whether it be here or through Tae Kim or Imabi or wherever they end up.
>>135270006
My main aim is to utilize my time while I work a little better. I usually watch TV shows while I work. I get to do two things at the same time.
>>135270015
I recently downloaded Tae Kim's grammar guide for my phone. I used to use Anki for my tablet when I was living further away than I am now; I could sit, study and write, which for me is really important.
>>135270534
Start shrieking ジェンダーフリー、ジェンダーフリー！
>>135270486
Moralfagging only makes it worse.
>>135270569
Yeah, and humans don't work like that.
>>135270668
What if you have a second, shorthand version of the guide: posting a link to Japanese langauge, on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language
Then Japanese writing system
Kana: link to real kana and those kana decks
Kanji: link to Kanji Damage/RtK, and related anki decks
Japanese grammar
Link to Tae Kim's Guide, Visualizing Japanese Grammar site, Japanese the Manga Way, Imabi, etc. and the related anki deck.
Trying to rewrite what is more or less already covered in the wikipedia page is like trying to reinvent the wheel a little, isn't it? The guides for grammar and kanji and kana, they already go into detail for the things they focus on. Keeping it ultra minimal to encourage people use the links and start studying asap, maybe? The top image of できない・やらないか and the bottom image illustrating how real Japanese looks in practice, are nice touches to wrap it together with a DJT touch. Seems wasteful to try and summarize an introduction to the Japanese language when the anon is going to get exactly that but a lot better with the study resources recommended, so it appears a little bloated or distracting.
Take it with a grain of salt, though.
>>135271078
Then watch Japanese TV shows, duh.
I think >>135270486 is pretty cute, just saying.
>>135271100
>Yeah, and humans don't work like that.
Luckily we have rules to counter-act the human nature to shitpost. For example, global rule 3: do not make offtopic posts. Follow the damn rules, shithead.
>>135271233
Calm down, dude. Do you think calling him a shithead will make him level out? No, you'll just inflame things.
>>135271291
>No, you'll just inflame things.
Human nature.
>Do you think calling him a shithead will make him level out?
I don't think any force in this world short of active moderation will keep off-topic politics discussion out of innocent anime threads. I certainly don't expect someone who calls off-topic racist shitposting "human nature" to follow board rules.
>>135271233
Stop being so fucking autistic. Converation naturally meanders, trying to jump in the middle, stamping and screaming for people to change what they are talking about is never going to work. Ignore it for a few minutes and it will die out, like it already has.
>>135271436
Rubber glue back to you.
The conversation naturally meandered to me mentioning the rules and having this very discussion. Trying to jump in the middle, stamping and screaming for people to change what they are talking about is never going to work. Ignore it for a few minutes and it will die out.
>>135271100
The part about bloat is totally true. I might whip up an image guide tomorrow that's more concise.
>>135271436
You should just ignore him, he's clearly autistic
Is there anywhere I can download rikai-sama from that isn't sourceforge? It simply will not work for me and they use malware anyhow
>>135270719
>What's wrong with the current guide?
The resources and the guide should be split, and the guide as is sounds more like a history lesson (to borrow the words of another anon) in some parts. It should be more concise and give people an idea of what they'll be facing. There are enough resources which do a better job at going in-depth (needless to say, these resources will be linked where appropriate).
It also doesn't make enough mention of listening and production, and it makes RTK look like the only viable option for learning Kanji.
>>135270767
I'll take your suggestion into consideration.
>>135270770
>Hmm I see
Looking good, eh?
>>135270912
I took over maintenance for the guide since the guy who originally created it had not been seen in ages (he contacted me two or three months ago, though I haven't heard from him a second time since). I actually left the guide open to editing for quite some time before I decided to lock it and just have comments. I decided to lock it to editing since the edits which were ever made were small typos which probably arose from people having a part of the text selected while reading and accidentally hitting a button, and then correcting that typo again. People can still comment. I get an email whenever someone comments (has not happened once in the past four months) and I'm always glad to get feedback or suggestions, or perhaps even someone who's interested in discussing an idea.
Aside from which, you are free to make a copy of the guide and have it in the OP. I'm not going to stop you as I have no reason to. I'm not here to impose myself, I'm in this position because it's good to have someone who's active and available if you want to keep something up to date.
Also, the previous guide was not "crowd-sourced", I like the idea of a whole community cooperating to create something, but 90% of that work was done by a single person. The same guy who I mentioned earlier, I wonder what he's up to.
>>135271622
>Sourceforge
>Malware
How do people like you even turn on their computers?
>>135271692
Actually sourceforge did start planting malware in OSS downloads a few months ago.
>>135271676
I looked long and hard at the new guide thinking of what to add. And I realized, the old guide has a really logical structure, good format, etc etc. I think rather than making a new guide, simply rewriting the opening section of the old guide - or else copying over the format - is a wise move. Like, everything from "Learning Resources" and below is pretty much perfect, no need to be changed except maybe ordering it differently to focus on different things.
>>135271485
This is literally all you need. Anything else is unnecessary bloat.
>>135271924
You forgot to mention RTK :o(
梦
what the fuck is this?
>>135272036
Chinese version of 夢 I guess?
>>135272036
The simplified character for dream
>>135272070
>>135272078
Makes sense, I saw it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s34pWZTnE4c and upon closer inspection the uploader is Chinese so he must have chosen the wrong kanji when typing it up.
Simplified kanji A FUCKING SHIT
>>135272117
Simplified Japanese when?
>>135272146
It exists, look up "Korean".
>>135272191
Are you kidding?
Korean is even more impossiburu than Japanese
>>135272191
Korean is completely different though.
>>135272270
I've been told it's easy from Americans living in Korea.
>>135271100
I don't really see how you see that working out.
The point of the guide is to give newcomers a starting point, and to reduce the amount of questions asked by them which could easily be answered in the guide.
When I started out with learning, I had no idea how to approach learning a language. I didn't know where to look for learning resources, I didn't know how to practice, I didn't know a good resource from a bad one (e. g. One that uses romaji over Kana). I only knew that I wanted to watch anime.
I don't know how other newcomers are, so I can only take my personal experience as a basis, but I probably wouldn't even have bothered reading through that wikipedia page (I actually did read parts of it on another occasion and I ended up even more confused than I was to begin with).
Simply throwing a wikipedia page and a bunch of resources at people will only increase the number of questions they have. Those that don't say "Fuck this, I'm going to try something else" will come to the thread to ask their questions. And they will have a lot of them.
The guide will actually link to recommended study resources right in the parts discussing the language itself. This part will be rather short and should just give people a quick idea of the language which they can then build up on with the linked resources (this too is something which gave me some trouble in the start. I read what the Kana is in the guide, but I still had no idea about it beyond what the guide told me).
The main focus of the guide will be the discussion of learning methods though, these also being what leads to the greatest amount of questions. Hopefully this will give people more perspectives on how to approach Kanji, as well as other parts of the language.
>>135271861
I'm quite content with the structure and formatting of the current guide. I'm mainly looking to give people a short, concise idea of what they'll be dealing with and then discussing learning methods in a more balanced manner.
>>135272276
You're right.
>>135272359
>I'm quite content with the structure and formatting of the current guide.
Forgive me, but isn't the current guide unfinished and non-existent after the opening kana:kanji section which already mimics the old guide anyway?
>>135272413
>the current guide
The current guide is this here.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ynwmcFwy0ccT70cVRp-G97fYlcf-GYZ86T62SvQMDdY/edit?usp=sharing
The guide I'm currently working on is still by far incomplete and will probably still see a lot of change before it'll be considered complete.
>which already mimics the old guide anyway
My goal isn't to create a completely different guide, my goal is create a more concise version of the old guide, along with a more balanced and extensive presentation of learning methods. So yes, you will probably find that the old guide is being mimicked in various aspects since there's nothing wrong with those.
A big problem I'm noticing with reading real books like LOGH is that I keep losing my fucking place. I know it's somewhere in chapter 1 but who knows where I left off? I'm going to have to leave a notepad with the last line I read but even that's a pain considering how I read on my phone and different computers. Not to mention that it's easy to lose place simply by turning away for a couple seconds. VNs are so much more complete.
>>135272581
>I'm going to have to leave a notepad with the last line I read
Here's what you do, dumbo.
Every time you close your file, add [[[BOOKMARK]]] where you where. Next time you open the file, go to the end and search for the previous instance of [[[BOOKMARK]]]
>>135272359
How about a peripheral focus for the guide: Helping those who are willing to make a start but have issues with maintaining their studies.
That, you may burn out after a month, a week, a day; That being able to read fluently comes with time; That [...] and so on
>>135272677
I'm viewing the html right now, not editing it. Editing is also a pain akin to saving lines in notepad.
What you'll get told if you try to speak japanese on 2chan
お里が知れる
>>135272581
How about only stopping when you've finished a chapter?
So I got my kindle up and running. I downloaded the books from COR, but when when I tried opening them it gave me an error message and said to re-download my books from my cloud. It did this a few times before shutting down on it's own. When I booted it back up I was able to open the same files that gave me trouble without issues. Is this normal?
>>135272779
The whole book is only 10 chapters.
Word of the day: 娶る
こういうわかりやすい漢字もいいなぁ
>>135271981
RTK doesn't deserve a mention, in all honesty.
>>135272692
I'll certainly add something like that to the end of the guide, but I don't think that making motivational issues the focus of the guide is a good idea.
>>135272841
気持ち悪い女性差別だ
>>135272923
No doubt.
A small section for commonly addressed issues: I can't keep up with the kanji retention rate, is it alright if I leave anki alone for x amount of time, when should I start reading, and maybe even: can I start where I left off?
>>135272846
You can just go look at the archives if you want an arguement since I'm not getting into this, but the method that worked best for you isn't necessarily the best method for everyone. It worked really well for me and I got what I wanted out of it. It shouldn't be recommended as the main method though. I think people should at least try pure vocab / a radical deck or something before considering a form of individual kanji study, but I think RTK is a valid form of that with the right deck and approach.
>>135272846
It does. It's a method that works at what it's trying to do (hint: RTK does not try to teach you japanese), even if you personally don't like it.
>>135273168
>>135273171
WaniKani works great for a lot of people too.
>>135273074
>A small section for commonly addressed issues: I can't keep up with the kanji retention rate, is it alright if I leave anki alone for x amount of time, when should I start reading, and maybe even: can I start where I left off?
I'll most certainly make sure to cover this. Probably in the FAQ or perhaps another special dedicated section.
>>135273233
And it's a valid method too. People mostly hate it because it's designed to slow you down (because that keeps you signed up longer)
>>135273233
Honestly, it probably isn't that bad in the form of an Anki deck. The main issues arise from its SRS not being as good as Anki / you can't export your progress, the fact that it's not free, and the fact that it limits your pace. Basically, it'd be fine in the form of an illegally ripped Anki deck, so hopefully that one anon who's almost done with it can deliver.
>>135272359
>The point of the guide is to give newcomers a starting point
Which is why you point them in the right direction and let the people who already wrote the introductions to the language and the respective aspects a lot better. The guide as current, at least the instructive aspects read as nothing short of an editorial.
>I don't know how other newcomers are, so I can only take my personal experience as a basis, but I probably wouldn't even have bothered reading through that wikipedia page (I actually did read parts of it on another occasion and I ended up even more confused than I was to begin with).
That sad.
>Simply throwing a wikipedia page and a bunch of resources at people will only increase the number of questions they have.
Good. That's the point of learning something: giving people the tools to ask questions.
I think of the Guide as a cooking recipe. You don't need to explain how the yeast evolved, but the fact that they know it's yeast and is needed for X to happen, it gives them something to look up if they want. Ultimately though the point is to provide a structure for going from ingredients to cake. Cake isn't for everyone, though.
>>135272787
That happened and a host of other screwy things on the Kindle App, for Android. Yet to happen with my Kindle Paperwhite, though. All that needed to be done was sideload the azw3 files, open one up and download the J-E and J-J -or maybe it was two different J-E dictionaries- dictionary files and since then it has been on aeroplane mode. No issues, thankfully.
>>135273233
Wanikani is just an adaptation of the RTK method like Kanji Damage. Except it is designed to Jew you.
Is there anything worse than the feeling of continuously failing your reps because you're burnt out
That feeling of your brain just melting away, absolutely zero motivation to carry on, just mindlessly starting at that good button wanting it all to be over, knowing your stats for today are going to look like shit because you're failing so much, but not being able to do anything about it because your brain has arbitrarily decided it doesn't want anything to do with reps today
I hate it so much
>>135273413
I stopped looking at stats because it doesn't really change anything if I do, and it just gives me performance anxiety for something that ultimately doesn't matter (for someone like me who expansively reads).
>>135273413
>Is there anything worse than the feeling of continuously failing your reps because you're burnt out
Being kidnapped and kept in a safehouse, caged up, slowly being butchered and eaten by a cannibal who is also into torture?
>>135273477
Yeah I need to learn to stop, it's fine on most days when I just whizz though my decks and feel great afterwards, but on days like today where I can't help but fail it just adds to the rage
>>135272270
How is it more difficult than Japanese? You can tell how a character is read simply from the way it is written.
>>135273507
Sounds pretty hot
>>135272270
The main reason why Japanese is so hard is because of kanji, and Korean has an ezpz writing system
>>135273649
>The main reason why Japanese is so hard is because of kanji
Why?
>>135270668
I think it'd be nice if the guide had a section on what to do when you get into a review hole on Anki. That and a note saying you should increase the reviews limit when you start.
>>135273703
Because readings
Millions of them
>>135272581
Run it through jnovelformatter to add html bookmarks.
>一万二〇〇〇
Fucking numbers
10,000 2,000s? Just say 20 million, sheesh
>>135272746
Translation: ESL detected
>>135273864
Yeah, not really.
>>135268908
Added スケッチブック to that spreadsheet and mega account. It's already in the CoR but not up to date. This link has the missing volumes 9 and 10 and I'm in the process of putting volume 11 in there with the rest.
What exactly is a 交番？
>>135274312
Haven't you ever played persona 3?
>>135274296
>Yeah, not really.
What's harder about Japanese than the retarded kanji system then?
>>135274312
番 Has a few other words related to police work.
非番
当番
留守番
I just remember them all together to make it easier.
>>135274355
It isn't retarded.
>>135274355
>tfw I have a much harder time remembering kana-only words and onomatopoeia than I do words with kanji
I love kanji. Learning other languages sounds like a pain in the ass.
>>135273343
An Anki deck for the first fifty levels already exists, with everything included. The anon who made it did it by writing some code to skim everything from the website (or something like that), the tool that is available for converting your wanikani cards to an anki deck only converts some of the info AFAIK.
>>135274296
>Happy Go Lily
We currently have this in the CoR under "Yuru Yuri" as the "English" title. Do people use that title (Happy Go Lily) or would you like it to stay as "Yuru Yuri" / do something like "Yuru Yuri / Happy Go Lily"? Thanks for doing this, though. Adding it to the CoR.
>>135274530
>common word is written in hiragana
>no fucking clue what it could mean
My relationship with kanji did a 180 once I started reading.
「敵軍の合計は四万隻か。わが軍の二倍だな」
「それがわが軍を三方から包囲しようとしております」
「老将《おいぼれ》どもが青くなっているだろう……いや、赤くかな」
Man, Reinhardt is sassy.
Once you get through the incredibly vocabulary dense opening, LOGH becomes a pretty standard read all things considered. The grammar is no more challenging than what I see in VNs such as Gunjou no Sora / Ikusa Megami. The vocabulary is certainly high, but much less so in the actual novel in comparison to the prologue. Overall, not too bad. I think the "are you a bad enough dude to read page 1 of LOGH" posts have really painted a darker picture than what reflects the actual difficulty of the novel. Well, the bulk of the novel anyway. The prologue is certainly quite difficult.
So now I'm faced with a pretty unnerving fact. There are no works in the entire Japanese language which contain enough vocabulary density for me to consider them uncomfortably difficult. There's just works like LOGH which have just enough unknown vocabulary that I can't read them without dictionary assistance. Intermediate hell, I presume. I hope I enjoy my stay. Here's to another year of studying.
>>135274530
I do as well, onomatopoeia words and adverbs make me want to kill myself
But kanji is still retarded, not because you don't know what they mean but just because you don't know how they're read
Even just focusing on jukugo, most kanji have at least two onyomi, and most of those readings can be arbitrarily shortened or have their consonants changed depending on the other kanji in the word, not to mention sometimes it's the kunyomi that's used
And half the time there's no way to know any of that unless you've heard the word before, and even if you have heard the word before, it's ridiculously easy to get that jukugo mixed up with other jukugo that have the same kanji in but with a different reading
>>135274655
Whatever you feel is best, man. That name was taken from the first English name from the baka manga updates website. If you think Yuru Yuri is more appropriate, go for that.
>>135265614
Neat -- was that intentional or just some crazy coincidence?
..and what does it mean, I"m a bakaduupuuduu.
>As for the completely small student, they are the best?
>>135265614
Thank Mr LingKew
>>135274988
>Elementary school students are the best
>>135274988
>Neat -- was that intentional or just some crazy coincidence?
I wonder, anon.
>Elementary schoolers are seriously saikou (tl note saikou means the best)
i.e. lolicon
>>135274789
Alright, I added them. Thanks again for uploading these and formatting it in a way that makes it nice and easy to add.
>>135274988
It was intentional.
>and what does it mean
It is an expression of a deep-seated, ancient love that all males carry within them: primary school/elementary school [girls] are just the best.
>>135275057
>>135275074
ありがとうお兄ちゃん
「たしかに青くなっています。五人の提督が閣下に緊急にお会いしたいと申し込んで来られました」
「ほう、おれの顔も見たくないと放言していたのにな」
「お会いになりませんか？」
「いや、会ってやるさ……奴らの蒙を啓くためにもな」
>>135275120
Going to be honest with you, "completely small student" sounds kind of arousing and nostalgic in a Limewire kind of way.
>>135275184
Except looking that up was no where near as creepy when you were of limewire age as it would be now
>>135275288
Most people would probably find it creepy for a twenty year old male to be looking that up.
>>135275367
If you were twenty when limewire was a new thing you're an old dude
>Plan on finishing volume of LN and watching some raw anime tonight
>End up randomly being completely burnt out and now can't do shit
Man I hate my brain, ruined my plans
>>135275493
>that spurt of motivation that always hits you at the end of the night when you're too tired to make use of it
it ain't fair
>>135275171
Came across these guys in a serialized manga a little while back, like some sort of meme magic.
>>135275437
Early 30's. Limewire was functional for a fair while, from memory. Vaguely remember starting to use it when I was around 16 or 17.
>>135275640
Uncomfortable truth: You feel spurts of motivation at night because you don't have to follow up on it. It's easy to be motivated to do work when you're lying in bed, it's hard to be motivated to do work when it's right in front of you.
>>135275759
So do work in bed, dummy
>>135275759
Yeah there's that and then I also geniuenely enjoy nights more because the mood is just better.
>>135275859
"in bed" as in literally going to sleep. And therefore, obviously, not having time to study. Because you're going to sleep.
>>135269453
>Yeah, although I'm thinking that the reaction between the two of us is likely a cultural one. I'm not American and phrases like "faggot-ass" almost assuredly are appreciated in a different manner by people around here.
Great point. Reminds me how my friend's australian wife is always calling people "cunts". Apparently it's common as fuck down under, but around here (southern US) it's an incredibly offensive word
>>135275759
I think I'm personally just trying to avoid going to bed, just like how I avoid anki during the rest of the day.
>>135275987
That's not good, memory is really important for gains
>>135275759
I've actually gotten spurts of motivation at two in the morning which I then followed up on.
Needless to say, this messed my sleep schedule up a bit.
>>135275921
If you study right before you sleep, it'll be all ready for tomorrow.
>>135269614
don't fall for this, it's a meme exaggerated by weeb WASPs who went to Japan and tasted babbies first racism. essentially, they see you in the same way you see niggers. it's not some terrible torture as long as you just don't worry about it.
Sup nerds, here's a little pro tip. And yeah some of you might already know about this, but not everyone probably. あげる～
>>135276221
http://namakajiri.net/nikki/testing-the-power-of-phonetic-components-in-japanese-kanji/
>tfw finished filling up another journal
I'm gonna miss you buddy, 4,000 words later you really helped quite a bit.
>>135276221
>He didn't do RTK2
:^)
>>135276221
>kanji have phonetic components
Holy shit anon, you're like Champollion reincarnated.
>>135276533
>french scholar who originally deciphered the Hieroglyphics from the Rosetta Stone
10/10 allusion anon
>>135268307
This website looks pretty nice -- why javen't I jeard of it before?
>>135276938
Because it's shit
>>135269930
You idiot.
It doesn't matter what kind of tools you have. It doesn't matter whether you've got support from friends, or use anki, or waniscammy, or RTK, or rikia or jisho, or read VNs or watch anime, or even if you live in Japan.
All that matters is dedication.
That's why your friends failed. They lacked dedication, and dedication isn't something one man can give to another.
>>135277047
I don't know your father seemed pretty dedicated to his husband that other night
>>135276992
In what way?
The method seems really good -- like lang8, right? Does it not execute it well beyond simple sentences/words?
>>135277047
Why are you calling me an idiot?
I know they failed because they lacked dedication. I didn't imply otherwise. I even said "there's a limit to controlling other peoples lives" precisely because you can't give other people determination or anything, they have to choose things themselves.
>>135277115
It's mostly really simple Japanese and their system for deciding how many words you know is kind of shit.
If you're a beginner I'm sure it's fine though.
>>135277136
Not him, but I'm pretty sure the "you idiot" was in jest.
>>135277115
If you want to test your skills just do J-Cat
>>135277197
I, uh, I really fail to see the jest in that.
>tfw you realize "sage" is from the japanese 下げる meaning roughly to lower
been learning jap even before I started learning it holy shit
>>135277245
Oh, I was looking at it as more of a learning tool. I don't need a test to tell me how much I know -- understanding what I want to understand is enough for me.
>>135277166
Ah yes. I am a beginner; maybe that's why it looks good to me.
>>135277272
Yeah, I understand why you interpreted it that way for sure and I'm sure most would interpret it that way, I was just pitching in to say that I didn't see that part of his post that way since the rest was mostly complimenting your dedication and that your friends don't have that.
>>135277310
so sage is a downvote...
>>135277413
No fagmunch
It means to lower your own post not the thread.
God I hate you people so much. So fucking much.
>>135269393
I don't understand how Morpheem determines how many words you need for a certain level study plan.
If i say "I want to understand almost everything" it says i need 4750 words.
But if I say "I want to reach the level of a young native speaker who is 7 years old" , for example, it says I need 6000.
How is it possible to "understand almost everything" if you aren't even at the level of a 6 year old?
>>135277353
Alright then, but you should get rid of it when you feel you're not making any progress anymore.
They're talking about becoming able to read newspapers and stuff but most of their sentences aren't even close to being newspaper-level.
>>135277456
HintIt's terrible
>>135277447
>It means to lower your own post not the thread.
It means your post doesn't bump the thread
>>135277505
Oh is that what it means in japanese? I guess my dictionary doesn't know about posts and thread bumping. My mistake.
>>135277456
It's hardly any better than guessing, the total it gave me was over 50% greater than the number I actually have in anki.
>>135277777
ななななななななななななな
バットマン
>>135277609
it indirectly lowers the thread
>>135277944
Kind of like... A downvote?
>>135277245
Holy shit that put me in my place. I'm gonna have to give Japanese 500% in order to make a difference.
>>135276419
Autism speaks. Why the fuck do you need to write?
>>135277944
It's "lower" in the sense of lowering the status of your post because you don't believe it to be worthy of bumping the thread.
>>135277978
Only if regular posts were upvotes
>>135278043
>getting mad when other people do things you don't do
Perhaps the autistic one is you.
Flyable Heart 2nd edition.
本当に唐突だし、まったくもってどうでもいいコトなんだけど。
Thats really abrupt, and that "whatever it is" is completly fine by me, but ...
俺の好きな言葉は『ご飯』だ。
the word I like is meal.
It's not raining apparently.
>>135278313
What I like about this is that you think you've gotten better. I mean, you haven't, obviously, but what matters is what you think of yourself.
1個あたり250円と割高に感じるかもしれないが、個人的に人生1.2を争うほどウマい草餅であった。
"At 250 yen a piece it feels relatively expensive, however, personally ????"
Can someone decipher the last portion? Its something about fighting and 1.2 lives.
A guess "he'd fight for 1.2 in his lifetime"
>>135278444
I don't think that I've gotten better. I'm just curious about what this sentence actually means. Maybe some anon will spoonfeed me sometime soon. Well, I've got my holidays ahead of me, so I may get better in the next two weeks.
I just do vocab after work, because thats easier to manage for me, than grammar. So I haven't made any progress with grammar at all(duh).
I'm off to read some grammar guides~
hello newfriends, please remember that threads are auto-killed once they reach a maximum number of posts. keeping this basic fact in mind:
>>135278056
you're also lowering the status of every other post in the thread, because you didn't bump the thread, hastening its deletion.
>>135277978
since every post, sage or not, hastens the death of the thread, every post could be seen as a downvote, right? you can't resolve this contradiction unless you conclude that there's no such thing as a downvote.
>>135278445
>個人的人生1.2を争うほどウマい
For me it's "fighting" over the first or second place in tastyness
>>135278958
where does 人生 come into this? I'm stupid so could you spell out how you got this?
>Morpheem says I have 20,432 words in my vocabulary
I wish so morpheem. I really fucking wish for it to be true.
>>135278445
>>135279353
一二を争う
...人生（で）1.2を争うほどウマい...
>>135279843
More work, less whinging.
>>135269543
Pass the N5 or N4 JLPT
Considering JET because language + overseas experience really helps me out for some jobs, but I might end up in Nipland anyway
>>135280468
>Pass the N5 or N4 JLPT
>when you're grinding the same 20 words for an hour in anki
Is it just a waste? Shouldn't I be creating some sort of association through learning the kanji or related words instead of trying to memorize something through brute force?
>>135280704
Read more.
>>135280728
How can you read when you know only 233 words?
>>135280728
Can't read without knowing the words or kanji.
>>135280704
You can use mnemonics if you want.
Don't knock brute force, aka raw exposure, by the way. It gets results.
Fallout 4 is on sale. Now it's even more tempting than before.
Full Japanese audio... full Japanese subtitles... uuaaa...
>>135280704
>grinding the same 20 words for an hour in anki
You're doing something wrong.
>>135280788
By looking up every word you don't know.
>>135280854
That sounds absolutely terrible.
>>135280704
What I do is just click 'again' on a word I don't know once and then click ok/good/whatever when I see it again.
Then in the morning I will review forgotten cards to get some more exposure to the words that don't stick.
...then I repeat.
Eventually words starts to stick. It's like I have a cloud of ~30+/- hazy words that I don't know but as I add new ones, I also solidify my understanding of old ones.
Sleep on it.
Am I missing something here?
>>135280847
The game is shit, don't bother. Play sudoku if you want a Japanese experience.
>>135280955
>That sounds absolutely terrible.
It gets better, at first you will look up 500+ words a day when you start out but then it settles after a while.
>>135280850
That's why I asked what I can do better :^)
>>135280955
>That sounds absolutely terrible.
Not him, but it's not particularly worse than reading knowing only 2000 words.
>>135281019
I know at least 10000 words and I still consider reading painful.
>>135281007
>:^)
Found the problem.
>>135280978
That's pretty funny. Fuck core though. I put sentences on the front... and only sentences. :3
>>135281094
I know 10,000 words and I consider reading pretty easy, to the point where I don't use texthookers on visual novels anymore and pick up/read manga untranslated just like I would normal manga. Where did you fuck up, anon?
>>135280847
The gunplay looks boring as fuck though.
Go play insurgency.
>>135280994
I wish I had time for that... maybe on the weekend, I could look up 500+ words, but definitely not during the week.
However, I think I can handle reading through Yotsuba to hopefully give me a slightly better base vocabulary which I hope will make reading something else easier. ... something else like OreImo. Yeah.
>>135281177
I read literature aimed at adults
>>135281145
Oh wow thanks.
>>135281177
I'm with him actually. I have around 10000 words in anki and I still have to look up words all the time. Manga has become pretty easy and I can read at maybe 70-80% of the speed I can in English, but LNs are a huge pain (don't really play VNs though.)
>>135278043
>not writing
>expecting to retain any kanji
kek
>>135280704
You know before I tried learning japanese the /djt/ way I basically forced myself to learn all the 2000 most common kanji.
I realized I was fucking up because I had no vocabulary, came here and downloaded anki along with core 2k and let me tell you, everything is easy as fuck. When you know the kanji and their meanings things like retention and reading skyrocket.
I highly recommend that if you're having retention problems you should try some kanji training.
>>135281211
Insurgency is annoying as fuck. You just get shot by some faggot camper every time you try to do anything. It's like the game was made for losers with no skill.
>>135281265
But VNs can be literature (if literature even existed). It's a scientifically proven fact by an official DJT endorsed strawpoll.
>>135281283
It's been a switch for me.
Reading manga was painful as fuck, literally crawling through the pages. Reading LNs has been relatively fun and less hectic.
>>135281283
What kind of LNs are you reading? I can read OreImo, Haruhi Suzumiya, and Inou Battle pretty easy. 95% of my reading practice is VNs.
>>135281265
I am reading Legend of Galactic Heroes right now. I have to look up words frequently but it's not painful at all.
>>135281302
I know 1800 kanji. I can write like 10 of them. Writing isn't essential.
>>135281399
>What kind of LNs are you reading?
マリア様がみてる
Not sure where yuri stuff ranks in terms of LN difficulty.
>recognize words
>can't recall kanji at all
Is it supposed to work like that?
>>135281470
大丈夫
>English
>scientific terms
>stupid Latin words all over the place; it can be a chore in itself for someone who's first language is English to learn the terms used by the English-speaking scientific community
>Japanese
>scientific terms
>they just use Japanese like sensible Japanese people
Why does the English-speaking community have such a hard on for Latin?
>eye doctor
>woman's doctor
>back doctor
>cat
>spider
>jellyfish
Was that so hard?
>>135278817
>hello newfriends
Your entire view on the issue is spawned from extremely fast boards like /b/ so what the fuck do you know. Everything you said is completely irrelevant on slower boards where making a post, even if it doesn't bump the thread, gives others and excuse to respond and bump it is _way_ more of a factor than contributing to the threads bump limit.
Sage is a tool that is neither good or bad. There's plenty of ways to use sage in a positive or neutral way. In fact, it can be so useful at times that I've even found myself wishing I could even use it on other discussion sites or forums.
>>135281524
>Scientific achievements of the English-speaking world: immense
>Scientific achievements of Japan: Robots and miniaturized music players
Maybe Japan should switch to Latin vocabulary.
>>135281356
I usually get a KD of something around 20:10 in a full round of push, and I move around a lot (camping is boring as fuck, I don't understand why anyone would actually want to lay in the same spot while waiting for someone to show up for more than a minute at a time).
If you run right through the open, you'll obviously get shot within five steps. The key is moving between covered areas. Also, cut your corners when moving through doorways and the like. Always cut your corners.
>>135281524
Japanese does the same thing by using onyomi readings heavily for scientific terms.
>just now
>Anon, want to come with us for a walk on the dam?
>Sorry, I can't, I'm using cloze deletion cards in Anki to learn pi to a hundred digits.
>Hahaha! He totally sounded like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory just now, didn't he?!
Sage for blog but I thought some might find it a funny anecdote.
>>135281977
I wish I had a dam nearby. Those things sound like fun.
>>135280612
It's not a lofty goal, but this is a crash course in self study
>>135281588
>Your entire view on the issue is spawned from extremely fast boards like /b/ so what the fuck do you know.
You are aware that /a/ is also an extremely fast board, right?
>>135281600
We just stole from the Greeks and ancients.
>>135281977
What practical purpose does learning pi to a hundred digits have?
>>135282100
Only the fourth I think.
I remember /v/ has 99 posts per minutes while /a/ gets 33.
>>135282100
/a/ is slow as fuck if you compare it to boards like /b/ and /v/. The crappy little ones that are populated by 10 people don't even count.
>>135282199
None whatsoever, as far as I know. I thought it might be some fun trivia and I have never used cloze cards so thought I'd try making some. It seemed like a good way to learn this particular sequence, but I'm doing it mostly to get experience with cloze stuff than anything. If I get annoyed by the reviews for it or find it difficult to easily memorize I'll just delete the deck.
All this Christmas chocolate is making me feel fat and lazy. How do I make Anki seem more appealing under circumstances like this?
>>135281977
You deserved it for sounding like a faggot.
>>135282336
Post more fart girls.
>>135281440
Either is learning Japanese.
>>135282430
No, I wasn't offended by it, it was funny, she likes jargon like that. They weren't just acquaintances, it was my wife and my wife's son going on a walk.
>>135282463
Only got saber friendo.
>>135282511
Thanks bud. That hits the spot. I feel like I can study for another few hours.
>>135282611
Nigga it's trivia I'm not claiming to be a scientist I just thought it'd be fun.
>>135282611
SMBC is pretty good.
>>135282653
Go fuck your wife and kid, asshole.
>>135282656
If you're going to post off-topic shit at least make it /a/-related. God I hate these dumb normalfag webcomics.
>>135282716
Sorry, I lied. "My wife's son" is a kekold meme I found on /tv/ while checking opinions on Star Wars and thought it was funny, I don't have a wife or a son.
>>135282510
>my wife's son
lol
>>135282653
I know, I just remembered the comic and had a laugh.
>>135282722
SMBC isn't normalfag.
>>135282807
>SMBC isn't normalfag.
Yes it is retard.
>>135282807
Ah ok, sorry if it seemed like I took it personally, it's all good dude. I don't read SMBC regularly but I've seen it here and there and some of them are amusing.
>>135282847
But so are you, while still desperately trying to fit in.
Hey can youll niggas help me learn Japanese
>>135282884
Shit man I was gonna ask you for help.
>>135282884
>>135282905
Well shit if you two dunno how to learn Japanese then how am I supposed to learn it? Shit mane.
>>135282879
>get told to stop posting shitty normalfag memes that belong on reddit
>"hurr ur trying to fit in"
So it's my first day reading with a kindle, it was alright. My biggest complaint is the Japanese to Japanese dictionary can be useless for me at time because it uses words more meaningless to me than the one I am trying to understand. Sanseido is much easier to understand, going to see if I can get it installed. The soumatome series PDF I converted looks like shit and is pretty much unusable, but they were shit scans to begin with. I like reading on it so far, it's a small investment just $120, it's good to take the distraction away, I keep my pc and phone in another room and just focus on reading. I hope I can get pdfs to be readable on this 6inch screen because zooming in is pretty slow and shit with the live ink technology. PDF do much better on a tablet.
Sorry for blog shit, I'll have one more in a few days for anyone interested.
>>135283095
This is the best J-E dictionary for Kindle:
https://github.com/jrfonseca/jmdict-kindle
>>135283095
Blogshit that relates directly to Japanese learning isn't really blogshit.
>>135283095
Can't you get Japanese to English? After seeing you post about it I went to fuck around with the Kindle Fire I had laying around but apparently you can't get Jap to English on it.
>>135283095
Haha, you got a fucking kindle to read pdfs.
>>135283192
This >>135283192 dictionary also works for Android Kindle.
Who /dallas/ here?
>>135283250
/detroit/ repping
>>135283243
Really? I couldn't get it to work at all. There was no dictionary option when I went to languages on mine. Oh well.
>>135283179
I stick to Japanese to Japanese dictionaries. Sanseido is very easy to understand, it's just the kindle default one giving me trouble.
>>135283190
Some people would disagree.
>>135283192
You can, I just don't want to be dependent on english, it's a hard crutch to get rid of.
>>135283226
Nah, just a lot of light novels, I knew pdfs would be unusable, but I tried.
>>135283365
Well at least you wasted money. I'm happy.
きょうのよくわからないにほんご
真人間
I sure am happy with the new laptop I got for Christmas, I hope no big strong bully comes and takes it while raping my boipussy and dumping his poz load into me~
>>135274152
12000?
>>135283243
The Android Kindle app supports the dictionary but it doesn't parse Japanese conjugations, which in effect renders the dictionary useless.
>>135283875
Wow, it is 12,000.
>>135274152
トップをねらえ！でも見たの
堕落
墜落
L I T E R A L L Y indistinguishable
>>135284207
Are you serious?
>normally around 86% every day
>didn't do new cards yesterday
>75% today
W-what?
Anki is breaking me, I can't do it
when does it stop
when will I know Japanese
>>135284391
Anki is a supplement to reading. If you feel like it's breaking you, lower new cards and up your reading. But be sure to still put in the work. If you don't, then you won't learn Japanese either way.
>>135284391
You just need like, 50 more words and you'll get there.
>>135284207
Are you using a chinese font or something?
I'm not joking, check what font you're using those should be very distinguishable and chinese fonts have some different looking kanji.
>>135284540
>>135284247
How long has that meme even existed? C'mon guise, get a clue.
>>135284247
>>135284540
How new are you guys? "Literally indistinguishable" while posting similar looking but relatively easily distinguishable kanji has been a meme for months.
Can anyone help me with translating this sentence? Context is 祐巳 has come to visit and the first floor of the building is empty because everyone is in an upper room. 祐巳 gets let in by another student before she has the chance to knock.
これでは、入り口で祐巳がノックしたとしても、気づいてもらえなかったではないかと思うと、大仕事を前にドッと疲れてしまいそうだった。
It's mainly the last bit I'm confused about, how would you translate 大仕事を前にドッと疲れてしまいそうだった? "[considering the fact that no-one would have noticed their knocking], it seemed like they would have gotten tired out trying to complete their important task"?
>は
>は
Practically hard to tell apart.
>>135284646
You forgot 前に
なぜ日本語を勉強してたの？
世界には日本語の使用は大事ではない。
What are some good phone apps? I couldn't see anything about that in the guide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyUh8A_LOVc
djt
>>135284741
>なぜ日本語を勉強してたの？
>なぜ
それは禁句よ
日本語を勉強しているってのを前提として、それから考えるんだ
ってか、「なぜ日本語を勉強してたの」って、なんで過去形なの
今勉強の真っ最中なんだけど、もう諦めたかのように言わないでくれないか
>>135284741
nerds want to read weaboo vn
>>135284868
How's he allowed to walk around with a fucking katana?
>>135284688
Could you elaborate a little?
F I R E FOX UPDATE
RIKAISAMA NOT WORK LOLOLOL
WHAT THE SHIT.
>>135285015
Firefox confirmed Windows 10 tier.
>>135285015
Stop using shitty Firefox.
>>135285208
Nice try
>>135285015
Do we really need to tell you faggots every thread to stop updating when nothing is broken?
>>135285292
enjoy your security holes
>>135284868
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyUh8A_LOVc
You can watch this guy's swordplay here
https://youtu.be/xH6qsqlA0vE?t=114
>>135285208
Firefox works fine for me. If there's a browser that's objectively better in every single measurable way, I still wouldn't switch because that browser doesn't have rikaisama with all of the useful features it has (audio, adding your own epwing dictionaries, realtime import, etc). Hell, I switched to Firefox purely for rikaisama.
>>135281524
>Why does the English-speaking community have such a hard on for Latin?
The Latin terms usually literally simply describe the same things as you mentioned, albeit more precisely than plebeian and simple English.
The reason why Latin is widespread in English scientific terms is that European scholars needed a standardized way for communication and the languages that were most applicable for that were the lingua franca of the nobility and diplomacy, French, or the lingua franca of the clergy, Latin.
Since scientists and philosophers were often clerical scholars, a lot of canonical philosophical literature was written in Latin and Latin is a highly precise language, they went with Latin.
That being said, learn2latin.
>>135285348
>security holes
Do you regulary visit sites that try to exploit security holes in your browser?
I sure hope you don't have flash installed
>>135285015
>rikai not working
do this
>>135285208
1. rikaisama
2. no botnet
NSA shill sure is strong today.
>>135284993
I mean, you just forgot it, you didn't include it's meaning at all. I don't want to elaborate too much because, well, who knows what I myself don't understand? What I do know is that you just didn't include the 前に for some reason.
How do you guys find the energy to do anything except this? I spend at least two hours going through anki decks per day, just tried reading Yotsuba and failed, and with barely any time or energy left to do actual work.
>>135285376
>how not to use a sword
>>135285015
>firefox warns me it needs to restart to finish updating
>I know it will fuck up rikaisama
>haven't closed firefox for 3 days
>>135285575
Fuck, I won't be able to get a refund on my Firefox.
>>135275092
Digital rips of 水あさとさん's works:
めいなのフクロウ 1~2
https://mega.nz/#F!G0FQxaRC!qP4OBpK5bzejTQuPxfApQw
制服魔法みどりちゃん
https://mega.nz/#F!ih13jBbb!jd5vNSsRzal2YkH-4m8ZfA
宮田書店へようこそ！
https://mega.nz/#F!n8MW0ATB!4EVdk-Vjd4HeGoeiW5H24Q
屋上に咲く花
https://mega.nz/#F!ill3GA4R!3QHOwpvobDYHw5y8RigJrQ
男子トイレで待ち合わせ
https://mega.nz/#F!Dx8g1Sra!BrRbWa7CjyYuuQvsjZROcw
デンキ街の本屋さん
https://mega.nz/#F!6gM2SDiB!Sc6uhrBOGKrJVvSJiYeJKg
To rip and add over the next ~24 hours:
マジカルシェフ少女しずる 1~3
男三女四 1~3
I'll add these to the spreadsheet a bit later in the same manner as the previous ones.
>>135285738
Oops. Clarification:
デンキ街の本屋さん 1~10
>>135285734
>having updates set to automatic
>>135285700
How far in are you (Core, grammar)?
>>135285738
Alright. I'll check back on the spreadsheet later on or tomorrow morning and add whatever is there. Thanks.
>>135285735
>>135285575
This is only temporary, they said they'll take this out for the next version of firefox due late January.
>>135285869
The character designs are dangerously cute.
>>135265614
Don't Japanese characters read left to right when reading horizontally?
>>135285738
>>135285869
Actually, if you plan to be adding manga regularly, I could probably just give you access to edit the CoR if you have a google account and want that.
>>135285995
Nah, man.
>>135285995
sey ,yllausU
>>135285995
That is read vertically but the author wrote it so when reading the first character of each sentence, it would spell it out. The same concept of spelling out a word or phrase with the first letter of each line/sentence in a paragraph.
>>135286034
To be honest I feel much more comfortable doing it this way and allowing the maintainers to copy and past directly from the spreadsheet I linked into the main one, since the rows line up. Would rather not have access to something like the CoR directly; not the most stable person and, well, who knows what may potentially happen.
>>135265614
Wait this was intentional?
>>135285942
>Posting CP
>On a blue board
You're doublefucked, you better pray you were on a VPN or you're going to jail.
>>135285832
I'm not sure how to measure it because I learned a lot of grammar from Namasensei before using anki decks. I am probably still at a very basic level, I can make simple sentences without kanji and I don't know many words. I've done several notebook pages worth of kanji and words but I don't think I know them that well.
>>135286155
Yes.
>>135286144
Alright, fair enough.
>>135286181
No way!
>>135286167
The pink bits are obfuscated by nature and so it fits into the category of nude art, to be looked back upon in centuries time as master works of the age.
>>135285995
Usually, but not always. A lot of prewar and wartime stuff was written horizontally right to left. There are probably other cases but I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
>>135286169
>I learned a lot of grammar from Namasensei
u wot m8? Did namasensei even have grammar videos?
>>135284583
I've been here since before fish oil bro and anki graphs epeen, but I also rarely come here after getting good enough to read mostly on my own because I always end up responding to shitposters instead of learning something about Japanese.
そろそろ片づけないとまずいかな。。。
"If I don’t clean up soon, it will be unfavorable.”
H- how'd I do Dee Jay Tee?
>>135286612
Yeah but he had to delete them for some normalfag reason. Dude is a fraud.
>>135286664
>not reading through every post you missed while gone
what do people think of yesjapan grammar explanations, such as Learn Japanese from Zero on Youtube for grammar studying?
>>135286705
>that font
why
>>135286713
There is no official /djt/ chronicler who gets sent out to evaluate every dime a dozen alternative to the resources listed in the guide, so I don't think you will get an answer.
>>135286705
I don't think I remember a single post on djt worth reading. Maybe the anki graph competition because it always made me try to aim for 2000+ reviews a day.
>>135286695
Are you asking if it's correct meaning or the quality of the translation?
>>135286612
There were some videos but they were very simple. Just things like subject, object, verb, comparing two items and using adjectives. That is why I'm saying I'm still very basic.
What are your opinions on Human Japanese? Is it worth the money? What other programs could you recommend?
>>135286813
i'm asking people that frequent these threads in general, if it doesn't concern you then i guess you do not have an opinion on this.
Personally i think they have alot of great videos explaining various grammar.
>>135286943
Animals can't speak Japanese.
>春
>眷
文字どおり！
>>135286664
Ah, fair enough. I just close the thread when an argument / shitposting starts. Only really have the thread open in case new resources or interesting reading material get posted. Plus imouto being here to give native explanations helps, though it doesn't seem imouto posted at all this thread.
>>135286872
If it's the correct meaning senpai
>>135286943
Why would you spend money on anything when all the best resources are available for free and listed in the guide? Are you just looking for a learn-Japanese-quick scheme or something?
>>135286943
Why not download the demo and try it out before paying $10?
Personally, I liked it way better than Tae Kim. It has grammar lessons, but then a few pages in the earlier lessons in all Hiragana and Katakana. No kanji. If you're looking for something free, look up the lessons on NHK World
Pi guy from earlier. I did it, I memorized pi to 100 digits.
3.141592
6535
8979
3238
4626
43383
27950
28841
97169
399375
105820
97494459
2307
816406
286208
998628
0
34825
3421
170679
Obviously there's no way I can prove that I didn't just copy and paste this but I did learn it and now can recite it from memory. The above sequence was typed out without reference to anything. I don't know if I'm going to bother keeping an anki deck for this though since it really is worthless trivia.
>>135287197
>Why not download the demo and try it out before paying $10?
I actually did it but almost all the early lessons are about hiragana and katakana so I don't know how the grammar and vocabulary parts will be in the future lessons.
>>135287090
I just want to have all the basics in one program that I can open and use every day and also on the go. Kinda like a digital teacher.
>>135286943
Just get the Human Japanese anki deck.
>>135287386
What method do you use?
I think a problem I'm having is that I can learn kanji and radicals very easily through flash cards, but not vocabulary. Would it make sense to stop doing vocabulary anki and instead use that time on something like genki?
>>135287429
I think after the demo it really gets into the grammar, but that's how they try to hook you into buying the full version (I think it's 40 lessons or so). I liked how it broke down the sentences, pronounced the words and translated everything.
But I did a chapter or so a day after Anki core reviews. The beginner HJ app isn't going to teach you kanji like Tae Kim.
If you don't want to pay for it, then there's probably many free alternatives. I only bought it because I had a lot of credits from Google surveys, so it didn't really cost me anything.
>>135287429
>I just want to cut corners to minimize my effort
Sorry to inform you.
>>135287386
I've wanted to investigate mnemonics for a while now, after having learned some good ones.
Guess I'll investigate this "peg list" thingy. Apparently, such things are very easy to learn with those. I'm quite bad at visualizing things in my mind, though.
>>135287717
I used the break points and some of the patterns from http://www.michael-hogg.co.uk/pi.php (while changing some of them to my liking) to break them up into manageable blocks. Then I worked on logically linking the blocks together in my mind.
To this end, I used amnemonicmethod somewhat likeRTKdoes. Memorizing it in this way has one disadvantage compared to memorizing it from rote - it will be slower in recollection to some degree. However, there is a much smaller chance of screwing it up during recollection, it's a lot faster to learn, and it'd be much easier to review to keep it fresh in your mind than a bunch of rote-memorized digits. That being said, I just deleted the cloze deletion deck I made for it since I won't care to review it, but that's neither here nor there.
Anyway. Each of the line breaks in my post above is sort of like a different "character" in a loose "story" going on - some of which are memorized by rote, others which have mnemonics. For example, 2307 I memorized by rote. Others are more complicated so I thought up some fun things to help me remember them. 27950 is a brother who bought 2 7950s to use in AMD Crossfire and run the latest games. 97169 is a computer monitor because in '97 they started the transition to 16:9 monitors. Fun stuff like that. I work all of the components into a loose mental story which I can then recall from memory. The only problem is that it's probably 2x slower in recollection than rote, but who cares when it's useless trivia like pi digits anyway?
>>135288178
you nutted but she keep suckin lololol
I was gone all day and almost totally missed this thread. Now I have 600 posts to read to get caught up.
>>135289063
I made some really funny posts earlier. Please enjoy them.
>>135289087
hahahahahahahaha
>>135287974
Use Radicals to learn Kanji, then once you know a lot of Kanji, learn vocabulary.
Having learned Kanji individually brought my vocab retention up to 90%. The only stupid part is that I barely do vocab anymore.
>>135289063
Fun day. Berserk translations, the guy with 3 vocabulary, wakako-zake, new years' plans, /pol/, new guide, elementary schoolers, more rikaisama troubles, learning pi.
Remember, learning to speak Japanese is not at all difficult! All you have to do is live in Japan for nine years, after already being familiar with Kanji because you studied Chinese in Hong Kong for ten hours everyday because it was your job.
>>135289592
So would you say I should stop doing vocab for now? It really feels like it's pure memorization with no logic behind the words unless I know the kanji, and the vocab is far exceeding the kanji I know right now. Currently using the kanji radical, all in one kanji, and core 2k/6k decks.
>>135289663
>>135289133
Kind of a boring day. I don't read every post, but I skim them. I don't think I've missed any posts in months. I always have to check if anyone is posting about Flyable Heart, so I can post about it.
>>135289986
I don't think you should stop doing vocabulary altogether unless you don't have the time. Just reduce the amount of cards and increase the amount of Kanji you do in turn.
>>135289902
>セテエヴェ.png
>>135289986
Japanese for retards:
Do RTK for 2-3 months while reading some grammar stuff and watching lots of English-subbed anime. Try to pick up on basic shit and get a passive audio vocab as well as getting a feel for how basic sentence structure works.
When you finish RTK you will go into Core and see tons of words whose sounds you recognize from your chinese cartoons, written with kanji whose meanings you know from Heisig's jew book. Do 1000 cards/day and finish with Core6k in a fuckin' week if you want.
Try this if "traditional" DJT methods are not working. "RTK is shit" is a meme, it's just not for everyone.
>>135289902
>hearing his accent in japanese
So this is the power... of nine years of study
>slept for shit; less than five hours
>almost decided not to do anki, since there's always the chance that you'll send a bunch of your mature cards back into young + learn when you're really out of it
>fuck it
>best day I've had in anki in a long time
>>135290087
I'm probably going to start Kururi's route tomorrow as my 3rd route since I took a break for a couple days after finishing Amane's route, so I'll probably post what I think when I finish her route a bit over a week from now (traveling for a few days before new years, so probably won't be reading during that). I probably won't post theories though since I don't really want to get spoiled, though.
>people actually have trouble with anki
how? Do you not write things or study in any other way?
>>135290222
>Try this if "traditional" DJT methods are not working.
I know you put traditional in quotes but really, RTK -> Core + exposure is a VERY traditional DJT method. It's recommended all the time and people do it all the time. The only "unorthodox" thing you said was to do RTK in 2-3 months which is too fast for a lot of people.
>>135290231
Keep in mind he was in Japan, like 3 decades ago? Hasn't interacted with the language much since then. Plus, he frequently states that he doesn't care about sounding like a native as long as people understand him. I also wonder what influence knowing 4~10 languages fluently/well would have on an accent.
>>135290373
How early are you?
>>135290408
4300 cards seen at 60 cards per day.
>>135290408
Is that supposed to be a はやい pun in English?
>tfw failing Japanese because of DJT
>>135290342
Ya, posting theories is dangerous. Luckily I didn't get spoiled when I was posting my theories.
I've almost finished the common route with Suzuno. Still hoping to finish by year end. It is still possible. I've already discovered some of my theories were wrong, so I was a little disappointed with that.
>>135290713
It's your own fault.
>>135290839
More like people are constantly giving me conflicting advice and others are just memeing
>>135290947
If your priority is passing academic japanese classes literally all you have to do is use anki and you win.
>>135290393
>I also wonder what influence knowing 4~10 languages fluently/well would have on an accent.
Typically from the third language onwards your accent takes after your second language. So in Steve's case he sounds like a filthy chink to the Japanese.
Who /gay/ here?
>>135290997
Passing college Japanese classes is fucking child's play, you spend two entire semesters learning around 150 kanji, 500 vocab, and a smattering of basic grammar points. It's almost clownish. The only way you could possibly find it difficult is if you never interact with the language outside of your class.
Meet Willy my wiggly wobbly worm, he poops alot and sleeps in a shoebox under my bed. When he gets older he will turn in to a beetle, then I will let him go free.
>>135291911
mind if i save this?
>>135291911
Will you share your wiggly worm with me?
>>135291945
It's copyrighted by Anonymous so saving it would be a copyright infringement
このスレはもう死んでいる
>>135292527
fuck you
>>135292527
fuck you
