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>>135169667
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
悪阻っ
Merry Can'tsmas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Santa works hard and so should you.
>>135216994
メリークリスマス
Merry Christmas
That morpheem test posted at the end of the last thread seems accurate at least for me. My vocab is shit and every other test has resulted in numbers way higher than this result.
Don't really buy the estimated numbers needed to read almost any text and communicate well, though. Wager I'd need at least five fold stronger vocab than what I have now to be able to handle most things without looking up every other word.
>>135217255
Putting Davido at the top only makes Japanese seem even more unobtainable. They guy is a master, even more proficient than ケン様 was.
>>135217257
>Don't really buy the estimated numbers needed to read almost any text and communicate well, though.
Pretty sure it's 10,000. After I hit that threshold, anything not containing jargon because easy to read without really looking up words.
>>135217257
This might help make sense of that post.
>>135217353
They took that number straight up from the English learning website, so yeah it's truly irrelevant.
>>135217328
You'll be surprised. You'll still be looking lot of common words when you hit 10,000.
>>135217446
Like I said, I already hit that level, so I know how many words I'm looking up, and it's not much at all, to the point where I can read a lot of manga (pic related), VNs, etc, without even needing a dictionary.
Like I said though, jargon (common words or not) messes me up. Luckily, not a lot of it in the average line of text.
>>135217257
It gave me 16k when I only have 6.7k cards in anki
There are a lot of words I can understand and recognise without looking them up but definitely not 12000 more.
>>135217353
>You need about 4,750 to understand almost any text
That can't be right
>I can't learn Japanese
>>135217608
Why would you even do that if you know you're a beginner? It's like going for an IQ test while knowing you're mentally retarded -- you're just going to discourage yourself.
ともかく、「ともかく」は「兎も角」とも書く
Did you spoiled little shits get anything for Christmas?
>>135217847
a keyboard
im replying to you typing on it
it feels nice
>>135217550
I'm sorry but what manga is this?
>>135217857
Mechanical or what? Why did you leave out the details?
>>135217670
Puns are brilliant, nearly as brilliant as little girls.
>>135217874
The name is in the top left panel in this post: >>135217328
https://mega.nz/#F!SMpgnL6C!a2mxl7PoZ8pOtlQVcgFrDA
>>135217907
its a logitech g105
>>135217847
I bought myself an Aria mug if that counts
>>135217847
I might have a present for you later today.
>>135217847
A lifetime subscription to WaniKani.
>>135217874
>not recognizing Naoki Urasawa
Well, as another anon pointed out, it's Yawara. Man, Urasawa does magic with a pen.
>>135217847
A nice turkey roast. What more could you want?
>>135217996
33% off
>>135217847
A new smartphone.
>>135218008
He understands the fundamentals, that's for sure.
>>135217847
Bought myself a new CPU to replace the dual core Pentium.
>tfw can't read
>>135217847
I got a mechanical pencil.
I wished for it so I could practice writing kanji.
>>135217847
Not really a Christmas gift, but I bought myself a NAS and put 16TB of HDDs in it after a few of my external hard drives full of animu died.
I've been thinking about getting a new leather briefcase for myself, though.
>>135217847
An SSD and physical copies of the DoJG series
Is there a way to use rikaisama on ニコニコ live comments? It looks like it would be a nice way to learn but the player won't let me highlight them.
>>135218189
根を詰めろ！
くじけることがいらないよ！
>>135219214
Can't you highlight them in the right panel that shows all the comments?
>>135218611
Damn wish I had the DoJG books that shits expensive as fuck tho
>>135219291
But why? The website DOJG thing that was made blows the real books out of the water.
>>135217847
A box of chocolates
>>135219276
This is what pops out if I move the cursor there
>>135219398
>>135219493
Rikai only works on video comments. Livestreams are different and rikai doesn't work on those
>>135218283
You best be running duplicating RAID
>>135219324
The website DOJG thing is missing the notes and related expressions, so it isn't a replacement.
I got a USB audio adapter for christmas. I didn't need it for my headphones, but the microphone port quality is much, much, /much/ better than the motherboard's.
>>135219561
Any way to bypass that? Some kind of text hooker, I don't know?
>>135219680
Combined with the PDFs, it definitely is. Website DOJG for the bulk of your studying, PDFs when you need the notes.
>>135219701
There are comment viewers that pull just the comments so I suppose there's some way of pulling the comments onto a webpage so you can hover over them
>>135217847
I was invited to my friend's house for New year. He promised that there will only be 4 people including me (I don't like crowds). It's the first time in my life no sleeping through New Year, so I guess I should go.
>>135219324
>>135219730
The deck still has typos that need fixing and I'd rather there not be any typos at all (no matter how minor or infrequent) on my first read through it, but I agree that the deck is better for actual studying / reviewing. I basically intend to use the actual DoJG for learning and the deck for reviewing and physical copies are nicer to read than scans. Aside from a kindle, I can't really think of anything else worth buyfagging for learning Japanese aside from reading material.
>>135220093
I'll show you how the world works.
How exactly do japanese kids learn kanji? I know they have a fixed number of grade kanji but what exactly do they learn there? All the readings for the kanji? Common 2 kanji compound words? The general meaning?
>>135220479
I imagine just being exposed constantly to kanji throughout their lives will make it necessary to at least passively if not actively remember most of them.
If you spent a year in japan you'd probably gain the same kind of intuition for it i'd bet.
>>135217847
Cold hard facts about life.
>>135220577
Yeah. Giving up is so socially unacceptable in Japan that you need to go all the way if you ever do.
>>135220093
>The deck still has typos that need fixing
So post them? We've been calling for people to post typos and errors for months and months now. Do you really expect one person to be able to spot everything? The entire project would be finished by now if people bothered to pipe up when they came across something instead of making random comments here and there which will never be found by the one anon handling everything. There is now a second page set up exactly for people to report these things on the front of the djt web page.
Anon in charge of the homepage must wonder why bother doing stuff like that if no one uses it. When you think about it, even fifty different anons using the deck and taking note of little typos and stuff they find, then posting it; the entire thing would be proof read multiple times with a fraction of the effort required.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QNAucfhVViWzIQgPwRvFFsb0dUlfhenhG8ie7-6dwE0/pubhtml?widget=true&headers=false&chrome=false
>>135220535
Thats true, but they have 国語 lessons dont they? what do they do there in regards with kanji lists?
>>135220716
Whoa whoa, chill out anon. Read the post again. I'm talking about my first read through. If I see typos while reviewing I intend to submit them.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
DO YOUR FUCKING REPS!
Confusing 横 and 幅 constantly. Anyone have a trick?
>>135220826
Grow eyes?
>>135220826
I've got the same problem with 故 and 枯 being unironically honest.
>>135220826
Read a lot
>>135220777
>tfw struggling to motivate self to do reps
>just want to play video games i got for christmas
>>135220766
>Whoa whoa, chill out anon.
It's valid criticism; DJT has had two projects for editing now and over the months there was one anon beside the anon working on it and currently by the looks of it another anon who posted a couple recently. If the criticism doesn't apply to you, then don't take it personally, but it needs to be fucking heard. Telling people to chill out is all well and good but it doesn't change the fact that this entire thread/general is basically the sum product of maybe four or five anons doing a lot of fucking around and if they fucked off, everything would crumble, fucking over all the potential anons looking to leave their EOP ghetto but not far enough to leave the board. DJT has the potential to get anons interested in scanlation and translation as they are getting rather agitated about the current state of placed being shut down and no one to provide. Instead of being another shitty general it could be a tool for creative growth, similar to the scanlation thread that pops up every few days or so.
Sometimes you need to start a fire to get people out of their seats.
>>135221329
>>135220716
Are you Australian?
>>135220777
MERRY CHRISTMAS
GO WATCH ANIME MAKIFAG
>>135221329
>Telling people to chill out is all well and good but it doesn't change the fact that this entire thread/general is basically the sum product of maybe four or five anons doing a lot of fucking around and if they fucked off, everything would crumble, fucking over all the potential anons looking to leave their EOP ghetto but not far enough to leave the board.
What?
That's just an exaggeration.
This is a 4chan thread, not a corporation. It will be just fine if your mythical 4-5 anons (including yourself I imagine?) fucked off. Not being ungrateful for the work put forth by various (more than 5) people over the years. Just noting that wow, no way would this thread crumble if they left. At worst, the CoR goes down and we have to re-upload a bunch of resources. Hardly a thread crumbling event. If Yuusha poster stopped making threads, someone would replace him, again, not a thread crumbling event. No idea why you're being so dramatic. And I also don't know why you're still perpetuating the idea that a few Ayn Randian anons do all the work while everyone else is lazy, because I distinctly recall a thread awhile ago where that idea was absolutely blown the fuck out. I enjoyed that thread.
>>135221329
>If the criticism doesn't apply to you, then don't take it personally, but it needs to be fucking heard.
Right, I'm not taking it personally, but blowing up just because you misunderstood/misread my post and then blowing up more when I point out your misunderstanding / assumption isn't necessary. A simple general reminder to people that the page exists instead of ranting about DJT's quality would've been fine. If people don't want to contribute, ranting about it isn't going to get them to contribute.
名古屋走り
>>135221329
>if they fucked off, everything would crumble
lol
>Not paying attention while doing flashcards
>asks you to write the compound word
>find yourself unconciously writing the wrong kanji, same reading
ex: 限定 ＞ 原定
REEEE
>>135221804
This is why you learn kanji instead of words like a dumb piece of shit.
>>135221329
>I'm important, care about me
>>135221839
エピック命名
>>135221839
I know the kanji (am learning), the problem still keeps happening!
>>135219670
Raid 5 good enough?
>>135221839
actually it's because he made the mistake of learning kanji readings
lol
>>135221910
not actively, but i did take note while learning compound words.
>>135221512
>At worst, the CoR goes down and we have to re-upload a bunch of resources.
I mean, do people even use it?
>>135221964
It's vaguely convenient, but I can't imagine anyone being that disappointed about just using the original torrents all that shit came from.
I will think about the "pillars of DJT", otherwise known as the resources upon which anyone looking to learn Japanese really needs to have (on a general basis, for example I mention kanji decks but I know not everyone uses one).
Core Pillars
- An overall explanation of the language and how it functions (Tae Kim's opening, our guide)
- Anki (incl. Core2k/6k, DOJG, kanji (rtk), and radical decks)
- Grammar guides (incl. Tae Kim, Imabi, DOJG, Japanese the Manga Way, Genki, All About Particles)
- Native Material (manga, anime, vns)
Supporting Pillars
- Jisho (or your JMdict front of choice)
- Google IME
- Texthooker (Chiitrans lite)
- Rikaisama (incl. auto import)
- CDisplayEx/HoneyViewer/Etc (for reading manga)
- Misc resources to pump and dump, use briefly but not regularly (jgram, lang8, japanese stackexchange, google, WWWJDC, koohii, tangorin, kotobank, goo, kanjidamage)
Of all of these, the only thing reliant on DJT is the "overall Japanese guide", and we have a pretty good on of that, and we have an anon remaking it to be more lightweight and generally good. The DOJG deck is more of a koohii thing in the first place, but it also utilized some DJT manpower. Otherwise, I don't really think DJT would crumble if every "creator" left, simply because as seen above all the real pillars of learning Japanese already exist and are hosted on places other than DJT. The CoR is pretty convenient for downloading a lot of things though.
>>135221964
>>135222061
I use the CoR for manga that I can't find on nyaa, it's pretty convenient. IIRC original cor guy got many of the manga from DDL and chinese places so a good portion of it isn't on torrents. Or wasn't, anyway. I also believe the DOJG deck is currently hosted on it which is also convenient. It would also be hella inconvenient if all the mega links of CoR went down, I would think, but then again I don't remember linking resources from it for awhile.
>>135222171
>- Google IME
Not even *close* to important.
>>135222244
Or microsoft IME, I meant to keep it neutral but I forgot there. Any IME. I think typing in Japanese is important.
>>135221271
>Video games.
I seriously hope you're underage or something.
>>135222336
With the advent of steam as a universal PC gaming platform, it's easy for casual internet friends to gift pretty good $3-4 games to each other.
>>135220716
>Anon in charge of the homepage must wonder why bother doing stuff like that if no one uses it.
Fixing/adding links to the homepage doesn't really take much effort. Changing a link takes me about the same amount of time as making the threads if even that much.
The form didn't take me much time to make either. I just put the form there because it's nice and visible on the main page and it's something to let people know about if they mention typos (though I wouldn't do it in such an aggressive / angry way).
>>135222315
Nah, using Google's hand drawing feature is better than simply typing.
>>135222315
You could just say "Setting up your OS to support Japanese properly", which includes good fonts (Meiryo on windows).
>>135222393
>he doesn't handwrite everything and then mail it to a Japanese person for them to type it for you and email it back to copy and paste
>>135222414
>Meiryo
Always funny to see braindead retards.
>>135222393
MS's IME has the best kanji recognition on the face of the planet (among ones that ignore stroke order of course)
>>135222393
Ha.
>>135222414
You'll have to forgive me here, I don't really know what fonts have to do with IMEs.
>>135222451
Meiryo is the only japanese font that uses truetype hinting instructions. Windows does not do autohinting.
>>135217847
nothing
>>135221804
>Doing flashcards that require you to type something.
How's that huge waste of time going?
>>135222915
Maybe if I had done that I wouldn't have fucked up 次第
>>135222374
The issue is playing games at all, not the cost of them or the ease of gifting.
>>135223036
Oh, you're just obnoxious.
>>135223036
Especially those on steam don't even have Jp language.
>>135223167
>mfw I notice Fallout 4 on steam includes full JP just like skyrim
I wish Fallout 3 had it.
>>135223249
>Fallout
YUCKO WUCKO MOMMY
>>135223036
>look at me, i'm such a grown up
>arguing about this shit on Christmas
Wew lad
>>135223586
>Wew lad
Why couldn't this shit get filtered too?
I've ran into a problem.
I started using a Radical deck a few days ago.
The deck has recall cards with the English meaning on the front which I have no use for. I had been deleting them as they came up but grew tired of it.
Today I browsed the deck and searched for the recall cards and deleted them. But somehow that also deleted the recognition cards and now I have to start the deck over. Is there any way to remove the recall cards?
This is really frustrating.
>>135223894
Open deck, study
Bottom left, edit
Format
Two tabs. Delete recall.
>>135223922
Thank you.
>>135223894
>I started using a Radical deck a few days ago.
Why?
>>135224166
Because I heard it's better to learn the radicals before learning Kanji.
>>135224249
You heard right bud
>>135224299
Stop misguiding beginners.
>>135224336
It makes perfect sense to learn radicals before learning kanji and it helps break them down a lot. I'd like to hear an argument to the contrary.
>>135224359
>I didn't learn them so you shouldn't either
All kanji have at least one semantical radical.
>>135220479
By writing them over and over.
>tfw Japanese textbooks have mnemonics for kanji
/djt/ BTFO.
>>135225249
Those books are for little children, though.
>>135217847
Parents gave me $60 a couple weeks ago for Christmas and I bought Steins;Gate 0. All that studying finally came in handy.
>>135226060
>actually buying weeb shit
I mean, don't get me wrong, but you're going to be branded for life if someone sees it.
>>135225761
You've got the kanji knowledge of a little child, it's a perfect match.
>be away for 2 hours
>only a couple new posts to read
DONT MAKE ME DO MY REPS
Word of the day: カモノハシ
良いクリスマス
>>135227344
how you gonna be naming an animal duck beak
>>135226410
It's about the capabilities of the brain, not knowledge.
>>135227862
Than why do niggers smell so badly?
>Reading Japanese the Manga Way
>It's gay and stupid
>>135227947
What did you except from a textbook that panders to weaboos
>>135227901
You just find their natural odour intimidating, which makes your brains interpret it in a negative way.
>>135227999
Do you go to r atheism also?
>>135228104
Do you believe in an invisible space fairy.
>new season to anime named K
>can't find the first season to rewatch it because of the retarded name
It didn't happen to have something else added to the name when subbers released it?
If you don't believe in God then why the fuck are you here?
>>135228226
I read you like how I read my bible daily. Go back to reddit.
>The current year
>People still think atheism is cool/intelligent
>>135228294
K Project, but there may be some missing. Could also check BakaBT or AB.
>Christians have no argument other than to post pictures of fedoras and scream reddit
It never stops being funny
If there are apparently so many problems with Kanji Damage, why is it in the guide?
>>135229307
Same reason RTK is. The guide is outdated trash.
>>135223036
How does it feel being a mindless puppet who can't enjoy things that people tell him he shouldn't enjoy? Probably like nothing because you're already dead.
>>135229343
It's not like the problems popped up suddenly after the guide was made. I'm guessing as more people presumably learned Japanese, they got 20/20 hindsight.
>>135229307
Because then that's one less thing for autists to argue over. The worst meme on DJT is "whatever method works best for me works best for everyone else and any other method is garbage". I haven't used KD, but still, the mindset is insufferable.
Tae Kim doesn't get enough hate.
>>135229385
Nobody here has learned Japanese, it's just beginners parroting whatever is the first thing they heard from these threads and roll with it. It also serves them as self-assurance that the method they chose was the "correct" one.
絶病《ぜつびょう》
>>135229545
I'm not fluent or anything, but I've been studying for two years, so I like to think I have a lot of experience and wisdom in both the process of self-studying and in Japanese itself. If anything, I'd be parroting Steve (forgive me, o Krashen anon), but I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
>>135229528
That's because there's nothing to hate.
How much have you spent on learning Japanese? I've bought Genki 1, Tae Kim, Japanese the Manga Way and monthly wanikani sub. Whatever that totals to.
>>135230150
two dollars for a journal to write in I guess?
>>135230150
>wanikani
I'm sorry to hear of your failure in learning Japanese.
I actually don't recall ever spending money on anything. I started with Tae Kim's guide which was free, + namasensei, and then just dove into native material with Jisho. Not sure if you'd count buying manga or VNs as "spending money on learning Japanese"
>>135230150
>fag bought Genki
That shit's going on youtube.
>>135230280
Buying VNs is probably dumber than buying learning material.
>>135230317
Thief please leave
>>135230150
DoJG books and $20 or whatever for Kuru Toga Roulette mech pencil & lead/eraser refills for it.
When I try to import the tsf file produced by epwing2anki it doesn't add any cards.
How do I get this thing to work?
>>135230388
Yeah but did you get 0.5 or 0.7?
>>135230150
I've spent up towards twenty thousand on doujinshis, if that counts.
>>135217847
Some opera DVDs and a hot-cold pack for my shitty back that's been destroyed by too many hours sitting and studying with bad posture.
I just noticed that I had a PDF of Breaking into Japanese Lit. Has classic literature JP on one side, translation and vocab on the other side. Is it in the CoR? Ctrl-F didn't bring up anything, but the guide's also somewhat disorganized (some of the Pastebins have dead MEGA links, etc.).
>>135230388
>Kuru Toga Roulette
Good choice.
I can't do it. I can't learn Japanese.
>>135231532
How much can you fit in ur butt?
Hey /djt/, I've got a little Christmas present for you!
It's 20 hours of audio books and short stories, professionally voiced and complete with fully synchronized subtitles on a simple HTML reading page I've built specially for you, so it works well with Rikai and all that crap. The content has been borrowed from roudokushoujo.com, a commercial recreational app, and reorganized to better suit the learner.
It shows you a wall of text (it had no layout information, sorry) with a little bar that highlights the current line (toggle with [h]ighlight) and automatically keeps it in view (toggle with [a]utoscroll). You can replay a line by pressing return and toggle play/pause by pressing space. The top/down arrow keys move you to the previous/next line and the left/right keys do it 10 lines at a time for faster access when you're in a hurry! It remembers the line you left off when you close your browser and it comes with two stylesheets to better suit your style, a bright one for summer time and a dark one for night hours. The dark one is the default.
The content I generated this from had its bugs and some lines are blatantly missing (Tokikake confirmed for 57 missing lines, Tetsudou no Yoru misses 49) and synchronization in Tentsudou is sometimes a bit off too (again, the raw data is to blame). I have no idea if this thing works on smartphones at all, since I don't own such a device and cross browser compatibility might be an issue too, I'm not really a web-guy and don't care for being one. Anyway, use Firefox when in doubt.
It's really the tool I wished for a long time, hopefully you can put it to some use too!
It's meant to be downloaded for offline use btw.
https://mega.nz/#!1Q0BlKCS!-fBGipyIBgIeAHH-NYxN9U9-HZduTXlo4Drn3NpDbiM
>>135232269
>notavirus.exe
>>135232323
At worst it's dolphin porn, so there's nothing to fear.
>>135228226
Wouldn't it be crazy if there was some global mobile network that all humans can connect to, and the "unknown" portions of the human brain were actually just a really fancy network adapter? But then the network went down and never came back up. And after thousands of years we've come to believe we are fully functioning humans when we're really just like smartphones with no service.
Sure would make for a great novel wouldn't it.
>>135232385
What if it's a program that deletes all your anki decks and backups?
>>135233426
It can't delete my phone
>>135232269
Cool. Will try it later.
>>135232323
In a VM.
>>135233426
It can't delete my 大和魂!
やれば出来る
>>135233692
Maybe it spreads through wifi and infects your phone too
>>135233924
Can't delete what doesn't exist, you are right
>>135233965
やればやれる
>>135233992
>not knowing that no malware can pass through a router's firewall
>>135234052
>implying he didn't find a new way around it
>>135234022
やられたらやり返す
>>135234107
>implying someone can
>tfw pussyfooting around the idea of buying fallout 4 for $60 under the excuse of using it to study Japanese
Sci-fi vocab... a good time... so tempting
>>135234384
Stop blogging please.
>>135234433
No.
>>135234451
So brave. In all seriousness though, stop behaving like a prick, this isn't /v/.
>>135234384
Fuck off.
>>>/v/
>>135234546
I'm not being a prick. I was declining his request.
>>135234592
It wasn't a request, it was a directive.
>>135234384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH5aX_mLwo
The trailer actually makes me want to play with Japanese voice acting.
Die /v/, die!
>>135234658
You don't normally end directives with "please", you know. And either way, I decline.
>>135234665
I know, right? Seems like it'd be a good time and good studying.
>>135234682
>You don't normally end directives with "please", you know.
ESL, leave.
>>135234786
Not ESL. Obviously some people frame directives as requests to be more polite. The distinction is really pedantic, anyway, if you use "please" you're obviously making a request.
>>135230150
Couple hundred bucks for community college, some sets of textbooks (e.g. Minna no Nihongo) and fun stuff (Moekana/Moekanji, Yotsubato Himekuri etc.).
Picture probably somewhat related, but I DON'T CARE.
>>135234822
>Not ESL.
I don't believe you.
>>135234868
Well, that's good to hear. By which I mean, you're objectively and unambiguously wrong and knowing that fact makes me feel pretty damn good about myself.
>>135234917
Are you white? Do you speak White American?
Damn it just took me an hour to read one page of a light novel. Fuck that was awful.
>>135235576
>tfw spending an entire day just to read 100 pages of a manga
I fucking hate being sub 10,000 vocab.
Just finished all the lessons on http://mykikitori.com/index.html
Does anyone know any other sites with listening comprehension tests?
>>135235576
I'm going through the same thing with my first light novel right now. I've read only 22 pages in the last week.
whoa jisho is heaps better than jlearn
>>135235576
I know that feel, it's taken me close to 3 months to read the first volume of キノの旅
I just finished 'learning' (as in can more or less sight read) hiragana through Anki and decided to try reading something on senmanga.
I'm now learning about the wonderful world of verb conjugations! 2 hours spent on WWWJDIC and google trying to figure out what the fuck だが何かはあったみたい だね means, only to figure out that 有る and 会う have the same damn past tense conjugation. Rikaikun and KanjiTomo only showed me the definition of 会う for some damn reason.
I'm gonna go read Tae Kim now. Strangely enough I don't really feel discouraged, just kind of feel like I've gained perspective on something.
僕の自惚れわ無限
Are there any downsides to updating from Windows 7 to 8 with regard to VNs or other Japanese things? I'm considering it.
>>135236435
>Windows 7 to 8
If you're going to update, why not go to 10?
>>135236435
>windows above 7
enjoy that downgrade
>>135235576
>>135235629
>>135235850
>>135235882
At least we're suffering together....
>>135236743
>falling for the /g/ meme
8.1/10 is considerably better than 7 performance-wise, and 7 now has as much telemetry as 8/8.1/10. Don't want telemetry? Switch to a non-Ubuntu Linux distro.
>>135228104
>>135228396
http://www.notalllikethat.org/
>>135236857
頑張りましょう~
行き is a heteronym right
いき - going to(ur moms place)
ゆき - suffix bound for
anki is pulling ma dick on this one
>>135236990
>8.1/10 is considerably better than 7 performance-wise
please, enlighten us /chair-popcorn.exec
>>135236990
>7 now has as much telemetry as 8/8.1/10
You people really like saying this when most sensible people haven't been updating their windows for years.
>8.1/10 is considerably better than 7 performance-wise
Gonna need some stats for that
>>135237028
You don't need to learn vocab backwards and forwards in anki, just learn one reading and one meaning and get deeper understanding of the word from reading actual native material.
>>135237234
i guess thats it, just frustrating when its written the same way as im tryng to discern via a radical difference
I'm unable to do my reps today.
Does my journey end here?
>>135230150
At least 150 bucks in shipping.
>>135237563
Might aswell commit sudoku
>>135237563
See you in 2017
>>135237028
There's no difference in meaning between ゆき and いき. 行く can also be pronounced either ゆく or いく with no difference in meaning. Anki just has it twice to show you that it can be pronounced differently.
>>135237346
They're the same word. ゆき was an old spelling that I guess you can say has been fossilized in specific expressions, like 東京ゆき was talking about trains.
>>135237651
This, jisho only has an entry for them, pic related.
>>135237651
>There's no difference in meaning between ゆき and いき. 行く can also be pronounced either ゆく or いく with no difference in meaning
>>135237782
*one entry.
>>135230150
RTK1, DOJG, 12 volumes of manga and 2 light novels. I'd guess around 500 dollars.
Also took 18 credits worth of college Jap classes and might take more, if you include that it comes to several thousand.
>>135237563
You never really started if this was all it took to blow you over.
I'll mourn for the man you could've been.
>>135237111
>most sensible people haven't been updating their windows for years.
This. I'm running windows 7 ultimate and haven't updated it in a while now.
Is 紅葉 more commonly read as こうよう or as もみじ?
>>135238992
Japs are cucks and will choose Chinese loanwords over authentic Yamato-Kotoba any chance they have
>>135226212
It's a VN tho. Providing that he got the digital download.
>>135237651
>here's no difference in meaning between ゆき and いき.
Mount stupid personified.
>>135238992
Sino-Japanese readings are in general of a higher register, that's the difference.
Remember to sleep!
Proper sleep is important for learning.
>>135230381
You realize there's tons of links to pirated material (including learning material) in the OP right?
also
>giving nips money
>>135239446
I was one of those who, when the CoR was first released, argued that pirated material (esp. manga which is 99% of it) shouldn't be on it. People sure got butthurt.
>>135239263
Actually, I bought the physical vita version. I pirated the original for pc but the sequel had no PC version.
>>135235576
taking literal hours to read pages reminds me of when i started reading DFW. at least the japs dont do footnotes.
>>135239606
>DFW
What's that?
>>135239660
David Foster Wallace you pleb
>>135239538
calling you an idiot doesn't constitute butthurt.
On the other hand, holding that grudge for this long certainly resembles asspain.
>>135239538
>pirated material shouldn't be on it
No butthurt here, you're just a plain idiot.
>>135239559
playstation games are socially acceptable.
>>135239538
tbf, literally all of it is pirated. There wouldn't be a CoR or a rationale for it (just use google) if it was easily accessible. I just downloaded the Full Metal Panic! LNs after a google scavenger hunt and several DDL sites with a 50kbps limit.
I'd rather spend my money on food, gym and onaholes. Also I'm terrified that I might one day become a buyfag. Also ebooks > physical books. Also I am a stealth weeb surrounded by "loud & proud" weebs, and they have fucking Skynet-like senses for detecting this shit.
>>135239660
/lit/ meme. like most memes, he represents the board pretty well.
>>135239538
Yeah, you can fuck right off.
>>135239265
Care to explain yourself, smug-chan?
>>135239783
Huh? Grudge? I don't have a grudge. I am simply relating a memory. Haven't thought of it since it happened, which was awhile ago.
>>135240332
Stop posting. It's painfully obvious that you're so fucking butthurt.
>>135240499
Smh
>>135240499
DJ 蛇 ＆小さいジョン
Does the novelty of meme translation ever wear off? I hope not.
Who /fuckingpissedatparentsforshittychristmas/ here?
>>135240732
>小さいジョン
I wish rap was always this adorable
>>135240072
> I just downloaded the Full Metal Panic! LNs after a google scavenger hunt and several DDL sites with a 50kbps limit.
Why? They're in the CoR in MOBI/AZW3 and HTML format already.
>>135240822
BRUH
https://youtu.be/hvgLDyhXcUM?t=8s
>>135240846
I fucking hate you. I also love you.
>>135240786
>ask my mother for an iPhone 6
>she gets me a samsung galaxy
fucking bitch
>>135240786
Who /needstogetthefuckout/ here?
ネタバレお前だ
>>135240875
>>135240875
Fuck you son of a bitch you can't talk to me like that.
>>135240786
You lack the respect for your elders needed to learn Japanese.
>>135240870
As adorable as her voice is, why do Japs have such bad flow? Never been able to put my finger on what it must be, but pretty much every Japanese rap song I've ever heard has had messy as fuck vocals
>>135241105
Every rap "song" ever is disgusting garbage and pretty much the semen of Satan in audio form. If you listen to rap you deserve to be killed.
>>135241229
I like everything EXCEPT rap and country! :P
>>135241229
Okay
I upped new cards of my mined deck to the same my core deck is at, I just realized this will shortly get me double the reviews I'm doing.
That's bullshit, what do
>>135241339
Just hit easy on everything.
>>135241065
what the fuck? I'm only learning moon for a bunch of delusional escapist fantasy.
>>135241105
They just can't into rap. for real it's probably because japanese "accents" aren't as diverse as english, and considering most rap is basically Black American English (evolved from several slave creoles, french from Haitian immigration, a slang that's somewhat accessible but still fairly cryptic if spoken fluently), and these jap rappers can't really compete in terms of freedom of language.
This is probably the best flow I've heard in japanese rap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbzdDD0yrW4
Also, not every rapper does "flow" well, although these are mostly edge cases like Aesop Rock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEBGCOCxLgA
>>135241229
we're all gonna die anyway senpai. pls dont reject me
>>135241339
don't be a pussy, how many reviews is it
>>135241339
Lower new cards you absolute moron
>>135241432
300-400
>>135241229
yeah i dont get how people enjoy listening to young black males or wiggers play no instruments and talk fast about their superiority complex in slipshod timing with the latest 4 beats per measure
'artists' heh, pull the other one
>>135241477
you fucking pussy. do it. I do 200 cards a day and i only know hiragana, writing out every single character.
>>135241529
Because the generic American charts club twerking rap shit represents all rap amirite
>>135241529
I call them fartists
>>135241529
what about >>135240870 ? is she a young black male or a wigger?
What's japanese for gay are they have it?
>>135241727
>amirite
sure :^)
>>135241806
no bully daoko pls
>>135242416
Why do you ask?
>>135242416
同性愛者
皮膚の色だけで差別するがごとき行為は絶対にあってはならぬ。
>tfw mining 10-15 words each time I read a single entry of DOAJG
>>135242715
das deep mane
>>135241432
>>135241105 flows pretty well desu actually
>>135230150
Genki I + workbook, DOBJG, Read Real Japanese
My only regret is the Genki workbook, because originally I bought it for a class, but I dropped it after 1 day. I should have returned it. I never do exercises when I'm learning things, so workbooks are a waste.
>>135230150
Nothing, though I did try to buy DOBGJ but it got lost on the way. Manga doesn't count since it's more of a hobby collection.
>tfw using Windows 10.
Can't change it.
>これで、授業をさぼったことを咎められても、担任のせいにできる。
What does this mean? I mostly don't understand the last part
With this, the blame of me skipping class will go to the teacher?
>>135244160
Pirate 7 and upgrade to it
>>135244160
I heard they're starting to force the update on people. Can you verify if chiitrans lite works? I heard chiitrans lite and some other stuff is broken on win10 though so I hope the forced update doesn't happen to me considering it's not being updated anymore.
Should probably get a VPN or something to ease my paranoia if it happens, but the gov probably doesn't care about people downloading pornographic Filipino cave paintings and I don't know what the best one(s) are.
>>135244321
They can't force anything on you if you disable updates. To answer you question I can use Chiitrans Lite fine but I had to switch to Jap locale.
>>135244271
Yea
>>135244429
>but I had to switch to Jap locale
I'm on Jap locale anyways, so I guess it doesn't matter then. If I'm on up-to-date 8.1 and can't be fucked to switch to 7, is there any reason not to go to 10 that can't be solved with third party software / modifying shit?
>>135244712
Eh, don't go to 10 dude.
フランスの飲食店の
外から見える席には
有色種は座ってはいけないって事実？
>>135240870
I really enjoy DAOKO, but her latest music video with the hand stuff is weird. Gomess is pretty good though, he did a few songs with her when she was with Low High Who. I'd like to find some similar musicians like him to listen to when I'm reading.
>>135244712
>is there any reason not to go to 10
Besides not wanting to be arrested for "child porn" if you ever look at loli stuff?
Instead of watching anime with subs can I just watch Japanese people play RPGs and talk?
I just can't get into anime...
>>135244893
Won't happen unless you're on watch lists already
>>135244913
You can't unfortunately. It's been tried.
>>135244943
But you're on a watch list if you use Windows 10.
Checkmate.
>>135244800
dunno if you're looking for stuff in japanese or not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AckhnLpwceM
in japanese rappists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6NKZ0DRrCo
paranel is significantly weirder than gomess but they run in the same circles, might be up your alley
also the previously mentioned Scha Dara Parr >>135241432
Midicronica's #501 is legit. The entire Samurai Champloo OST is, actually (although it's 90% instrumental)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3bPO1-kG1A
>>135244913
Watch this guy play Fallout 3. When he reads a terminal he increases the playback speed so you can have some higher level listening practice.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/user/16811023/mylistOr just watch anime, makifag
>>135244779
not sure what you're talking about
All this 10 fearmongering is funny.
>>135244271
>This way, even if I get caught for blowing off class, I can make it the teacher's fault.
I think is the intention.
>>135245007
Then it's dice roll everyday with a better chance of winning the jackpot in any lottery
>>135244913
watch Mushishi or something (f)artsy. There's tons of "j-dramas" (soap operas for teens) too, but they generally have worse acting and are as formulaic as anime.
jap music > jap books >>>>>> マンゴー >>>>>>> everything else jap (although I do enjoy a few cartoons and tropical fruit)
>>135245019
I'm pretty sure Paranel is on Low High Who's label and a friend of Gomess https://youtu.be/-vVGugAWox8
I've heard his stuff before and it's pretty good
I've been looking for a Japanese radio station to just leave on, but lately I just let an auto-list of Japanese artists on Youtube play to help me discover some new music
>>135245188
>jap music
yeah if you like sipping vomit through your ear canals
>>135244893
Goddamn it must suck to not be an American.
>>135245215
Yeah, they're all part of the same nerd-rap thing. Although I suppose this is regular rap by japanese standards.
I'd do the radio thing but my internet is pretty unstable and I play games/use voice things so I generally just go around lastfm finding artists and then dl off soulseek. My backlog is neverending.
>>135245273
you're a big opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhDlYZE8VhI
>Get arrested for downloading Hanahira
>Kill self
>>135245096
Well ... it does spy on you constantly and you can't tell it not to update your shit.
>>135245373
it does but nobody around me thinks so.
自由う― (i have no idea if this is syntactically correct or not)
>>135245558
clannad would have been better if you got to dump AIDS-chan and be a complete asshole
>>135245595
fuck you nigger
>>135245438
Does hanahira even have any actual loli stuff? Seems like its just cutesy shit.
>>135245671
It is just cute stuff, however it's still illegal due to the lolis.
>>135245627
>>135245558
wow, # of '?' does not scale with number of puhi
shit game
>>135245671
the implication morally is that you shouldn't be that desensitized to it in the first place
>>135245385
>きのこ帝国Goodtaste. I wish I could find more groups like them, but I'm awful at finding new music and I don't want to go to a board like /mu/.
I know there isn't a straight-forward, perfect way to learn Japanese, but I want to ask:
What do I need to be able to read Masada (Dies Irae, Senshinkan) and Muramasa? I've been studying consistently for about 9 months and finished a few straightforward VNs. Recently, I had to drop Fortissimo EXS because the vocabulary was too much for me and I had to look up almost everything by the time I got to the second chuuni fight (It has 16k unique words, according to this frequency analysis I did a few weeks back). As for anki: I did up to 5k and I stopped doing it after about half of a year of intense anking (with something like 40 new words, averaged among a period of 6 months).
Should I keep reading? Are there any other VNs that'll prepare me for Muramasa and Masada's titles? Honestly, Dies Irae is what I want to read the most and I'm willing to exhaust myself as much as I need to get there. I don't want to read it with 20% comprehension and come back and say that I've read it when I clearly didn't understand anything.
Sorry for the blogpost? Would you have any tips DJT? Should I pick up Anki again for the words? Read any particular VNs? Check out some particular grammar textbooks? etc. Thank you.
>>135245716
I think it would only be illegal if they were drawn without clothes on though, wouldn't it? Just drawing children can't be illegal...
>>135245096
time to blog. My windows 10 updated itself , changed a bunch of settings for default viewers etc. to microsoft edge, and even uninstalled software (e.g. ccleaner)
guess i'm old school, i think of a computer not as a pet, but as a THING that i own whose every action i direct, much like my car and my microwave oven, so it's unsettling when this kind of shit is going on.
going back to linux. last distro i used was slackware7 back in 1999. let's see how it's developed since then.
>>135245828
Think again. We have to protect the children, anon. We have to.
>>135245846
Yeah, fuck Windows 10 for that reason alone. I don't want shit changed that I didn't change. Windows 10 is an OS for the facebook generation.
>>135245828
>>135245851
I wonder how far exactly the laws have been tested in countries like this. Is Vladimir Nabokov illegal? Are Renaissance paintings featuring naked children considered child pornography?
>>135245846
install archlinux
you'll thank me later
>>135245955
>Are Renaissance paintings featuring naked children considered child pornography?
That's art so it's okay.
>>135245955
nude children with "artistic merit" like classical painting are exempt
as are photos are nude beaches with naked kids
It needs to be sexual and to be child pornography and if it's not photographic it also has to be legally obscene
>>135245741
lastfm. I usually listen to the top song and dl the album if i like the style. i only ever go on /mu/ once a year for the AOTY lists. everything else is trash
here's your official non-shit jap music starter pack (you probably listen to all of them if you already know of kinoko)
tricot
SAKANAMON
bloodthirsty butchers
SHISHAMO
toe
LITE
Pe'z
Lyu:Lyu
Asobi Seksu
Soutaisei Riron
Number Girl
Uchuu Conbini
Gundam Unicorn OST (esp Disk 3 or 4, IIRC, the one with 8thmob and something along the lines of MOBILE SUIT REMIX or something) (sawano's good but this is his best)
also a bunch of other shit i cant remember. i got my start with jap music when a friend got on skype with me and just linked shit for like 30mins. anime music isnt bad so long as its not awful "original" music. The Fullmetal Alchemist soundtrack is a good example, almost all of it is A++ jrock/jpop
>>135245846
I also hate how everything nowdays tries to do automatic updates and all kinds of shit without asking you first. This might be good for people who don't know shit about how computers work but it's the fucking worst if you do know what you are doing
>>135245795
the problem with muramasa is that it invents a lot of shit and is just very ~*Nitroplus*~, so you'll have difficulty reading it even if you're a native jap. your best bet is to try a demo, if one even exists.
if you *really* want to make sense of it and dont mind a bunch of stupid bullshit work while playing, then translate it while playing. get a notebook and write that shit down. if you're actually crazy enough to do this, i guess ill see you in a year
>>135245846
>>135246306
im glad i've never bought a windows license. Pirated OSes are nice like that
Also why in the world would you ever use windows if all your shit works on linux? Most of us don't really have that choice.
I'm seeing the word 冷え込み used to describe global relations.
The definition given is about cooling down, but since the context is that disorder, could it be that 冷え込み is actually describing a cold war situation?
>>135246371
>if all your shit works on linux
What dream world is that in?
>>135246385
Gonna need whatever sentence you saw it in to comment on it
>>135246385
Think "got cold", not "stopped being hot".
>>135246385
マスコミ用語だよ
「これから○○と仲良くしたら、お前は逆賊とみなす」
という強迫だよ。
>日米関係が冷え込んでいる
意味：日本人のみなさん、アメリカ人と仲良くしたら日本人はあなたを逆賊とみなします
>>135246385
Hi ESL. In English the phrase "cooling of relations" means that relations worsened. Hope that helps.
>>135246261
>you probably listen to all of them if you already know of kinoko
Nope, I barely know any Japanese musicians outside of anime OSTs. No clue how I stumbled upon Kinoko. I'll have to save this list and check those out though, thanks.
>>135246385
probably just cultural. Think "cold shoulder". If you could provide context I could provide input
>>135246528
y so salt
>>135246441
spoilered for offtopiclike 30% of /g/ wouldn't exist if this was true. then again they probably dual-boot anyway. I used to hate linux since I was forced to use it as a kid and it never ran any games, aside from Quake III and Unreal Tournament 2k4 (and being limited to user level access with no sudo privileges is fucking ass). linux is still good for server apps and workstations i guess (and phones, albeit in an extremely bastardized form)
>>135246721
>I used to hate linux since I was forced to use it as a kid
How?
>>135246580
yeah. also wherever the mu archive is (last i remember was rbt.asia) search for 'j-music' 'japanese' or keywords like that, and there's pretty good sharethreads with mega/zippy links. soulseek also works but dl speeds vary quite a bit.
>>135246840
I assume some kind of magnet school or something, sounds pretty based anyway.
Just a reminder to just keep immersing yourself in it.
After a while you start thinking about it throughout the day and it tricks your brain into thinking it is reality.
Never close your mind open yourself up and have fun!
>>135247009
I don't need friends, I walk my own path. I'm a lone wolf. Nothing personnel.
きょうのよくわからないにほんご
>しょっぱい
得られた報酬や景品が少ないこと
>>135247009
Does this really work? If I just casually read something without looking up every word with jparser while guessing what is happening, eventually I'll "get it"?
>>135246558
Except no dictionary is translating it as "cooling of relations", you can't guarantee that's what it word means. Context would help.
>>135247261
>Except no dictionary is translating it as "cooling of relations", you can't guarantee that's what it word means. Context should help.
>>135246840
俺の父は「ｎｅｒｄ］です
>>135246948
wtf is a magnet school? is that what juggalos send their kids to?
I'll admit my linux experience wasn't the average, but having been surrounded with "free software" autism for most of my developmental years has made me fairly jaded towards it. Also the people *really* don't do themselves favours. I know someone who's memorized every single hiragana and katakana Unicode code point. He also owns two fursuits, which he wears in public.
>>135247009
no anime lady, if I considered the people I shared interests with as my friends, I wouldn't have friends
>>135247106
I don't know where you are reading wise but I am a year into it and I can read somewhat basic JRPGs. I can't really pick up on plot and nuances but know somewhat what is going on. I believe that I am learning even when just reading stuff I kind of know because thats how you learn languages.
It is all a grind. Obviously the work comes from looking words up and looking things up you don't know or aren't one hundred percent on but there is still that grind of just getting it into your brain.
Honestly after a while you start to become more confident in yourself and understand which study methods work best for you and what your preferred method of immersion is.
I can only speak from my expierence but don't look at listening or reading as seperate skills but two skills that work tandem together to learn Japanese. There's a bunch of closeminded in terms of studying in my opinion here. There is nothing wrong with writing things out or learning how to produce. I dont know how to write a single kanji but I really should learn how and understanding thats one of my weaknesses I can work on it. I probably won't but recognizing weakness is important.
These are just my opinions after a year of studying really hard.
>>135247298
*what it means
I forgot to erase a single word when editing, so my post is unreadable and I don't deserve a serious response from you. It's not like what I posted made any sense, anyway.
>>135247106
eventually you'll start remembering the most common words, those will become second nature, and you can start guessing context of difficult words from there. It's no guarantee, esp since you aren't immersed in the language, but that's generally how language is mastered.
>>135247380 is more or less correct. even if you don't "feel" like you're learning your subconscious is still doing shit. Although that shouldn't be an excuse to let yourself defocus and glaze over while studying. And maintaining a high level of mental alertness is nice because you make connections much quicker and are able to apply your analytical mind to stuff like grammar. I find that grammar isn't completely awful because I wasted a lot of time watching bad anime as a kid, and kind of picked up a bit of how the sentence structure and conversation works, even though I'm learning purely to read. Plus grammar's just fun in general.
お休み DJT. I'm going to go fill the dishwasher and go to sleep. I love you all.
>>135247563
dont beat yourself up homie, geopolitics sucks
>>135247791
I want you to fill my boipucci with your seed pls.
For those of you with Kindles, on a scale from 1-10 how useful is it for learning Japanese?
1 being not much, 10 being changed how you learn japanese.
How often do you find yourself using your kindle and the built in flashcard/dictionary.
>>135248662
I don't have one and my progress is shit. Take that as you will.
>>135247636
>>135247380
Thanks. I've just started reading myself and it feels bad having to constantly look stuff up. Even when I know all the words I still don't understand what's being said sometimes, which I'm guessing is because I'm not familiar with the grammar.
It really feels impossible to learn and seeing how other people learned is reassuring.
>傑作
>masterpiece, best work, amusing blunder, funny mistake, boner
http://rocketnews24.com/2015/12/22/682318/
だから朝マックしないだけで、いつでもエッグマックマフィンが購入できるなら、週2くらいはむしろ好んで食べたいくらいである。
I dont get the last part:
週2くらいはむしろ好んで食べたいくらいである
Is he saying he'd want to eat mcdonalds every 2 weeks?
>>135249124
Twice a week
is there a good way to help with confusing kanji readings? or is it just a matter of familiarity.
>>135249405
Its a matter of you sucking my cock.
>>135249481
Present it then.
>>135249612
>>>/b/
And stay there please. You can't learn Japanese.
>>135249405
You'll often only see one used in compounds and one for standalone shit.
http://rocketnews24.com/2015/12/22/682318/
I am confused. First he goes off about how if the egg mcmuffin was available frequently, he would go twice a week, but then in the next section he seems to completely discard this idea, not mentioning it once in his phone convo with mcdonalds.
Did i miss a set of sentences?
Pretty cringeworthy article desu.
>>135248662
10/10
It basically functions as a text hooker for novels, so it's more native material you can get exposed to while removing the time-consuming task of manually looking up words in a dictionary.
>>135249028
Oh? Your boner isn't a masterpiece?
>>135250140
>10 being changed how you learn japanese
Maybe 10/10 was an exaggeration, 8/10.
>>135249405
learn to write them. this was my greatest help when learning kanji.
>>135250265
wi and wo
wtf?
>>135250561
Kana that are not really used anymore
>>135250561
ヱヰ are out of date katakana.
ヲ rarely gets used particles are generally not written in katakana however I have seen it a bunch with Robo in Chrono Trigger.
>>135250675
I've seen ヲタク quite a bit. I guess it just looks cooler.
Every language partner I have stops talking to me within a week and then I have to start all over again.
>This has been happening for months
To anons that are currently doing the DOJG deck, about how many concepts do you go through per day?
>>135250716
I see オタク more than ヲタク but it must be a visual thing because AS FAR AS I KNOW を isn't used in any words. At least not words that are used regularly I am sure there are exceptions to the rule.
>>135250909
I'm pretty sure it is. By the way from what I've seen most robot speech is displayed in katakana when not in kanji. So the ヲ there is not surprising.
>>135250810
As many as I can get through in 10 minutes.
>>135250561
>>135251705
Into the bin it goes.
Anki has taken over my life.
>キリスト
>クリスマス
>>135252951
Who cares, it's all about fried chicken anyway.
>>135252996
And pictures of girls in a Santa costume giving a paizuri
>>135238992
紅葉「こうよう」
紅葉狩り「もみじがり」
>>135242856
From memory there are around nine or ten thousand unique words used in all three volumes.
>>135253996
Someone needs to make a DOJG10k deck. With example sentences and audio taken from VNs and anime.
>>135254184
It mentioned a while back as that is how I recall those figures. There was a bit of a negative reaction from people, mainly about that whole ankidrone/anti-anki meme anons were throwing around at the time.
>>135253492
花「さくら」
これと比べたら、まだわかりやすいとおもうよ
>>135253996
That's way too many for a beginner resource.
>"太郎は秋子に泣かれた
Lit: Tarou was annoyed by Akiko's crying"
Wat
>>135256109
It isn't a beginner resource.
>>135256184
Read the explanation.
>>135256109
That is the
>Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar
>Dictionary of Intermediate Japanese Grammar
>Dictionary o Advanced Japanese Grammar
all three volumes.
>>135256205
I understand that it was a passive sentence about affecting the viewpoint of someone else but just so much is implied by nakareta alone. It's weird and interesting.
>Decide to try a VN
>Can't make complete sense of one of the answer choices
>Pick it anyway as hopefully can understand it through further context
>Protagonist ends up blowing his load early, can't get it back up and ends up leaving with his virginity still intact
Think I might go back to Anki. This VN business is too stressful.
>>135256398
going back to anki is a red flag, your character will die in a horrible 'accident' by your childhood friend
>>135256398
All this talk about anki and when the fastest way to learn Japanese is to make a Japanese girlfriend. I'm already at conversational level in a mere two months thanks to my waifu. You should all follow my lead.
>>135256383
>It's weird and interesting.
Sums up a fair bit about the language.
That and the dank memes.
>second half of today's anki
>first 100 words
>kicking its ass
>the other 100
>learning section gets above 50
>wind up with like 40 cards that are "again, again, again"-tier
>takes like five cycles after review + new are depleted to knock them down below ten
>those last ten
>go through them a bunch of times; they just don't want to stick
>55% correct
Days like today suck.
>>135256485
>守りたい、この笑顔
Makes me wonder just how many memes come from Japanese. I was already pretty surprised when I found out about 傷物
>>135256678
The semen demon joke is in that thread, as well.
>>135256639
how do you get a good summary of your day
>>135256805
Hit the button that looks like a bar graph on the front page.
>>135256639
This happens to me every single day. The last 10 are such a ball twister. Hoping it gets better with time.
>>135256848
ah cheers i see it
>>135249028
>masterpiece
Have you heard about such a thing as "irony"?
>>135254437
花「はな」だろう？
そして桜「さくら」
そのように 読ませる 文章 歌詞 が あったの？
>>135257062
It hasn't been a permanent staple in my time with anki, basically just at the very beginning and over the past few weeks. I think that this most recent bullshit is just due to stress, and that once my stress levels drop a bit, my retention will return to normal, too.
In other words, it does get better with time. Your mind gets used to learning Japanese.
>>135257315
１７００年以上前からの決まり事だよ。
>はなのいろは うつりにけりな いたづらに
ただ花といえば、桜の花と決まっているんだよ。おにいちゃん
Post something you fucks.
>>135259171
Moonman made a Christmas album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWaHYLdkuF0
It's time.
>>135259315
get that EOP shit out of here
Draw me your favorite kanjis, DJT!
Here are mine (so far), I'm not even sure if I'm allowed to do that with the ⻌ radical in 達, but I really love how it looks, so it will stay that way.
I still have to practice drawing the other three. They are beautiful, but my writing sucks.
>>135259345
Break it up into three chunks, and that's more than doable.
>>135259383
I do it in chunks of 20 to not lose heart.
>>135259368
I remember reading an article about how un-Japanese it is to have favourite kanji. I always remember it when I see posts like yours. It's interesting to see how something banal in one culture is beautiful in another.
>>135259422
The Japanese use kanji in their art in ways that we most definitely don't use the roman alphabet in ours, so there's obviously some artistic attachment to it, at least.
>>135259400
I have a rule that I have to do a minimum of 20 reviews every time I open anki. Sometimes, you know, I do 100 but 20 is the minimum. It's really effective. Makes me wonder if anki takes forever for some people because they tab out even before finishing 20.
>>135259345
So far I've kept my daily reps under control, what should I do if I ever run into this pile of cards to review?
Can I, say, review 200 and quit the program anytime, so I can do 300 later?
>>135259422
Now, anon, don't give me that crap, I love how some Western letters look in given styles, as well.
Besides, if characters couldn't be seen as beautiful by its own culture, there wouldn't be a shit ton of calligraphy artworks floating around.
>>135259368
You'll love the 道 in this
>>135259571
Calligraphy is one thing, characters are another. Are letters beautiful simply because they're used in poetry? No, they're a means to an end, just like in calligraphy.
But anyway, like I said, it's the "favourite" thing, much like the average English native doesn't have a favourite letter, the average Japanese doesn't have a favourite kanji.
>>135259633
I'm sure if you asked Japanese people what kanji they think look hot they'd all have answers though, even if they don't actively have "favourites"
>>135259633
symbols can be beautiful in and of themselves
>>135259368
Fuck off retard.
>>135259755
What's the matter, haven't you practiced your stroke orders?
>>135259710
Sure, and if you asked me what letters looked hot I'd probably say "Q" because it looks like ongoing intercourse.
It's not like they're ignorant of kanji. Obviously, they use them every day. So, they'll have answers when questioned. But, it's not something that's a part of their culture, it's not a Japanese thing.
>>135259778
You can stroke me.
>>135259368
You misspelled 達
>>135259819
Weeb alert.
>>135259911
I didn't know being aware of Japanese culture makes one a weeb
>>135259819
I figured you'd say that, I still think there's definitely a difference, like you have to really force yourself to pick a favourite english letter because they're so simple, it would be more of a "well if I HAVE TO then I guess Q", but if you asked a Jap about their favourite kanji, I'd imagine they'd already have some in mind that they actually think look nice, not just some arbitrary on the spot decision just because they were asked
>>135259819
If you are taking the average japanese person as a sample, of course it won't amount to much.
But you can ask people what words they find appealing and, while most will frown upon it at glance, they can pick words they like and dislike after some reflection.
In Japanese, not only words are plenty, but kanjis as well, so it's pretty conceivable that, while our limited pool of 26 letters doesn't bring much to grow attached to, their millions of billions of characters might be enough to evocate aesthetic feelings. Specially being symbolic and self-contained, with some abstract meanings lighting up some connections (like how 休み has a person and a tree).
You are trying to say something's not japanese from a Westerner standpoint, who has no attachment for a bunch of simplified letters.
I believe a Japanese disliking 家 is no different than me saying the word "goggle" sounds disgusting.
I'm pretty convinced you're being retarded on purpose, but oh well.
>>135259906
Fuck, thanks.
>>135260046
>I'm pretty convinced you're being retarded on purpose, but oh well.
If anything I'm pretty sure you folks are misunderstanding me. I never said Kanji are completely sterile that evoke no emotional reaction. I just said that they're banal in Japanese culture, and that people don't tend to have favourites, which is true.
>>135222171
>Otherwise, I don't really think DJT would crumble if every "creator" left
If the people involved in everything you have mentioned above decided to stop supporting them, remove hosting, etc. the wouldn't be available. The programs would have to be rebuilt and maintained from source forks, and we know that it simply wouldn't happen. DJT is a part of the larger Japanese language learning community and this community, for English learners, is almost entirely supported by the efforts of a small subset of people doing it 'for free'. If Jisho, WWJDIC, Anki servers, etc. decide it is no longer worth the upkeep and they are removed, good luck finding something to replace them.
>>135222381
It doesn't take you much effort now because the effort involved in establishing everything was already done. Taking things for granted and being frustrated when someone points this out reveals weak points of a community. If anything, people should be thankful that there are others willing to place vocal stress to illustrate these weak points so they can be worked on. We have the tools well set up for training and strengthening Japanese but they aren't of much use if there isn't a focus on training and strengthening the integrity and validity of the thread itself. Maybe you are new of have blindspots in memory but when the site was initially adapted and subsequently flagged and removed from hosting servers, the CoR underwent a shift in control to a more dispersed ownership and the Guide, etc. hosting/ownership was a little in the air. This caused an absolute frenzy for a short period and if it wasn't for the systematic method of stabilizing the situation CoR-kun and the few anons who took charge of stuff, it may never have resurfaced.
The more something is established and looked after, the more likely it is to attract the sort of people you want, who make it better and continue this cycle. If this didn't matter, people wouldn't be coming here day after day.
もあぐれっしぶ。
>>135260085
Mmm I could see how they wouldn't bother having favourites
Having a specific favourite kanji comes off as pretty western, like what some retarded slut with a kanji tattoo would say
>>135259578
Kanji porn
>>135217328
I'm married to a Japanese woman, and we speak exclusively in Japanese. I doubt I know 10,000 words. Sure I ask her what this word is or that word is, but it doesn't really get in the way of our socializing.
do you think japanese stick kanji up there but
>>135260129
I have backed up just about everything important on my HDD and would re-upload them. Except the newer Core2k/6k deck, my back up version of that is corrupted with the stats error, and the manga, but I don't think that's too important for DJT anyway. You talk a lot about a strong core and whatnot but really I truly do not believe that's really important at all. You really, truly, genuinely are overestimating the relevance of the COR and whatever DJT core you're referring to.
Now, servers in general are definitely valuable. DDLs for resources (not those found in the cor, but in general), hosting for dictionaries, etc. I won't say for a second those are non-essential. However, there's really no need to be... uptight about those? Everything on the internet is reliant on servers. DJT isn't special. It's kind of like... if you're gonna bring those into the equation, why don't you complain about DJT being dependent on a small group of farmers for all our food? "Good luck replacing the megafarms if they went down!" is a much more compelling argument that bringing up the Jisho servers.
>it may never have resurfaced.
Not really would have been a big deal. We were fine before the COR. I was even there when it happened and it was only a problem in the first place because the CoR existed. If it didn't come back up all the important stuff would be reuploaded and there'd be no problem. Except the manga. The only real virtue of the CoR is and always has been the manga.
>>135260294
Yes.
>>135259633
>trying to portray everything under a particular umbrella as being completely identical, even when there are smaller umbrellas under the larger one
This is an extremely common mistake.
Like the roman alphabet, kanji might belong to a writing system used to project practical ideas, and it is indeed an everyday thing to people who grow up in Japan. However, they're quite a lot larger and more complex than the Roman characters, there's a lot more of them, they hold meanings of a sort by themselves, and they have a different flow about them. In folklore, you'll also see kanji associated with magic, which is another thing that you won't see from the Roman alphabet. Kanji are certainly a different beast than Roman characters.
This difference is reflected in the arts of the two cultures. Generally, English-speaking communities will limit their writing to what's needed to express an idea that needs to be communicated, like a company name and slogan. If they want any additional decoration, they'll look to other symbols and patterns. When they do put writing up as a pure decoration, it'll be a joke or some piece of wisdom. The focal point isn't the characters themselves.
On the flip side, the Japanese write on everything just for the sake of writing on it. You walk into their apartment and just see a plank with some word written on it in big bold kanji. No picture, no phrase, just a fucking word. Why? Because having heavily stylized kanji all over the place is very pleasing to the eye, whether they're going for a sharp modern look or a more classical Japanese look. Many Japanese agree with this themselves.
tl;dr: Is kanji more exotic to Japanese than the Roman alphabet is to an American? No. Does kanji hold more artistic merit your average Japanese than the Roman alphabet holds to your average American? Undoubtedly.
>>135260389
There are plenty of posters with just English letters pretty much everywhere I go. That is not surprising considering how it is used as communication.
Am I the only one who associates 姉 with a sexual undertone
>>135260437
Which I covered in my post, if you actually bothered to read it.
>>135260534
I did read it. But I disagree with your conclusions. Which, to me, are vast exaggerations. Just because you say and believe something enough to write it down doesn't mean it's true and right.
How do I remember words.
>>135260579
All he said was that Japanese characters hold more meaning and are more artistic by nature, which is undoubtedly true
It seems pretty obvious now that using kanjigrid for my desktop background was not one of my better ideas.
>>135260727
And all I replied about was the whole sign nonsense, which is a huge exaggeration.
I of course agree that Chinese characters hold more meaning and are more artistic than letters. Calligraphy is artistic because of the strokes and brush, not the characters themselves. I didn't really want to point out that his whole post was fairly irrelevant to what I was talking about because I expected some kind of "backpedalling" reply in return.
>>135260884
Am I the only one person that spends their Christmas practicing mongolian throat singing with leeks up my ass?
>>135260970
No, that seems to be common around here.
>>135260699
Fail them enough until they stick, works for me.
>>135260970
はい、そうです。この惑星に住んでいる70億の人間のうち、あなたは一つだけです
>>135260579
You know, when I visited Japan (didn't speak a word of Japanese back then; I'd like to go back with a fluent grasp on the language), I remember visiting the Shinto shrines. They had a large structure with barrels of alcohol with writing all over them. There were also things like statues with just a single character written on them. It was obvious that they were treating the writing itself as a part of the art of the shrine. Calligraphy and a love of the potential beauty of Chinese characters in the right hands is a major part of oriental history and a respected artistic field, and it showed.
Here's another example: When was the last time you went to a sandwich shop and they just had "sandwich"" written on a lantern? Or hell, let's go for something more celebrated: What about a lantern that says "alcohol" at a bar? Steak? Pasta? Of course not. To the English speaking community, randomly writing "sandwich" on a lantern would be fucking stupid. It has no artistic merit.
The only "evidence" that you've offered to the contrary is that you believe that it's just common sense that OF COURSE the idea that the two writing systems are treated differently by their native cultures must be some kind of crazy foreign delusion. Oh, and you saw some blog that agreed with you. Yes, let's just ignore the clear differences in how Japan interacts with kanji, as well as the extremely different roles that the two writing systems have played in history.
>>135261122
>go to sandwich shop
>big sign with SANDWICH on the front
>oh wow this writing is part of the art of the sandwich shop itself, how beautiful
You're the starstruck weeaboo who doesn't know what he's talking about here.
>>135261062
でもみんなきょうだいだよ
まずしいひともかねもちも
どんなたましいのもちぬしも
>>135261122
>it has no artistic merit
Claims the person that said child prom was fine as long as it was art.
>>135261148
It's not written on a several lanterns around the shop, though. If anything, it's treated as a hindrance to the shop's artistic design. They put it where it's needed to tell people that they serve sandwiches, and nowhere else. That's the difference.
Also, please direct me to the booming community of English calligraphy (I'm sure it exists, but you'll be hard pressed to find people who give a fuck), and show me all of the famous people in the past who have practiced it as a part of making themselves more cultured. This is a big hole in your argument that you can't explain.
It's not that I'm a weeaboo, it's that you're an insecure fuck who's so determined to not be seen as a weeaboo that you've let it blind you to obvious truths.
>>135257315
日本の国家の花は桜としてありますが
中略
やっぱり桜ってのはいいもんです
9:00まで枕
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1PlHv2xT0
>>135261312
What is my argument, anon? Because calligraphy doesn't contradict anything I've said. You need to stop projecting arguments onto me to conquer, because you end up making up arguments for me I never even held. I'm done here, anon, pick a fight with someone else. And yes, a FIGHT. It seems to me you're in here to win, not to discuss the use of kanji in Japanese culture but to attack other people and prove yourself right. I refuse to fight you. Come back when you're willing to have a discussion.
Hard to stay focused when most of you fags don't even like games.
Do you think it's actually two people arguing when this dumb shit comes up in DJT or is it just one autist replying to himself until he takes a nap nap?
>>135261465
Well this is /a/, what did you expect?
>>135261518
No one here browses /a/.
>>135261552
Fuck off crossboarder.
>>135261552
Fuck off crossboarder.
>>135261552
Don't take your case for the generality please.
>>135261552
Fuck off crossboarder.
>>135261370
Look how meta this shit has become. I just wanted people to post kanji they like.
(I'm not the anon you're arguing with anymore.)
>>135261512
I'm pretty sure most of the arguments on DJT consist of a the same group of less than 10 (maybe even less) people. I know someone who is EXTREMELY argumentative and will argue about pretty much anything even if he knows nothing about the topic. Hell, most of the arguments on DJT don't require any knowledge of Japanese to partake in, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the arguments that get stirred up are just from some asshole who wants to shit up the thread because he doesn't like it being on /a/.
>>135261643
I just wanted to share some trivia about Japanese people not really having favourite kanji.
Oh well. The road to hell is paved with good intentions as they say. Sorry for shitting up your post with autism.
Post good kanji
織
>>135261702
That's alright, I gotta go anyway and the thread is about to reach 500.
>>135261370
Your argument was against people who claim that the Japanese themselves see the characters themselves as being beautiful and holding a lot of artistic merit, more so than the English-speaking community does so with the Roman alphabet. Those were the people that you were arguing against before I stepped in. Your ultimate proposition is that the way that the two cultures see their respective writing systems is more or less the same.
Which doesn't exactly mesh well with the idea of calligraphy, which specifically describes treating writing characters as an art form rather than a plain means of communication, being such a strong cultural influence. If they didn't see the characters as beautiful, they would have turned their artistic focus elsewhere, just like English speakers did. It also doesn't mesh well with the differences in HOW a restaurant in America tells you that they're a BBQ joint vs. how a restaurant in Japan tells you that they're a yakiniku joint. Both use writing to express an idea, but the writing is utilized in very different fashions, as I've demonstrated several times now.
You're the one who's avoiding the discussion here. It's just been non-stop dismissal tactics from you, dodging the evidence and giving basically nothing but ad hominem in return.
>>135261731
Me a year or two ago
>Why are there so many lines fuck fuck fuck this is batshit insane who would make their kids LEARN this
Me today
>components WXYZ, locations confirmed, carry on
>>135261806
Shaking my head anon.
>Three months in
>Still don't know if I should do RTK because of /djt/
>>135261806
>You're the one who's avoiding the discussion here. It's just been non-stop dismissal tactics from you, dodging the evidence and giving basically nothing but ad hominem in return.
Let it go.
>>135261992
>Three months in.
>Showed my mom how to write her name in katakana and she slapped me for trying to put a curse on her.
>>135261992
How about you just try it and see instead of relying on other people to decide for you
I used a mix of the jouyou anki deck and kanjidamage personally and it was okay
日本は、１９年ぶりの満月のクリスマスです
>>135259788
looks like a guy in profile with a very strange beard
>>135262575
A neckbeard even.
>>135262575
Holy shit cannot unsee
>>135262652
my pleasure
>>135262788
泣き虫京子を守りたい
>For leech words I make flashcards for them
You fucking retard, that's exactly what anki is. Just review forgotten.
How do I know when what I'm reading is Chinese, not Japanese?
Specifically, when it's short and pure Kanji.
>>135263728
If it's pure kanji then it's chinese
>>135263728
Context is everything in Japanese.
>>135263728
Usually you will just know. Chinese uses characters that Japanese doesn't, and they look quite different to the ones you're used to.
>>135263728
use the force
Jisho mentions when a word is common and what level of JLPT it's included in.
Is there a way to see all the JLPT words in a list separated by their levels?
>>135263728
Chinese kanji are often simplified and look different.
>Japanese is going poorly, I seem to learn the language at a tiny fraction of what other people seem to do
>even 10 new words / day is exceedingly difficult and takes an hour to learn
>take a break for finals
>come back
>I'm blanking on fucking hiragana now
Back to square one ;_;
>>135263791
Yep. Tells you how to do it on the jisho homepage you idiot.
>>135263791
There are samples of the vocab tests here
http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/sample12.html
Dunno about just a plain list of vocab though, but that'll give you a general idea if you can be assed to go through it all
>>135263898
Count yourself lucky, at least you can have prostate orgasms.
>>135263898
If you try and compare your progression to other people you'll just discourage yourself, just go at your own pace, it's not a race, you'll obviously get better if you just keep at it
>>135263898
It gets easier the further you get. Don't take full breaks, limit yourself to reviews + 2 new if you really need to. Don't go at a pace where if you miss one day you die unless you're a neet because life inevitably gets in the way. Anki shouldn't take too long especially if you're just starting. 30 minutes should be more than enough for 300 recognition reps.
>>135263898
> I seem to learn the language at a tiny fraction of what other people seem to do
It becomes easier and easier to learn as you progress.
What's the key combination that changes between ローマ字入力 and かな入力 on Microsoft IME because I keep doing it and it's fucking annoying
I just bought a kindle, but all my text flows left to right, how do I get it to display Japanese text flowing from top to bottom.
>>135264486
alt + `
>>135264555
use the azw3 files they're formatted for you already
>>135264601
I am, they are flowing from left to right.
>>135264563
Nah I mean like how you usually type Japanese by just typing in romaji and it converts each kana, but then there's the method where you type with the keys that represent each individual kana like with a Japanese keyboard
>>135264670
Might have to activate wifi and download some update if you haven't already because it works fine for me (Kindle 7).
