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>>135067857
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
>>135104942
Be quicker next time
Stuck a dildo up my ass for the first time today. Pretty good, came a lot.
>>135105013
>RTK-fags
>>135105013
そうか
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Every man loves what he is good at.
Anything interesting you guys learned today? I can finally write out my academic field in kanji after learning 統 today.
>>135105184
I haven't been consciously learning anything. I just read nukige. All my progress is based in anki and passive exposure.
>>135105216
Yuuna is such a hopeless little tramp.
>>135105216
I-is that cum around her base
Hoo boy ...
Sorry to bother, but how is it that people turn lists of kanji into anki decks quickly?
I know how to use rikaisama to save kanji to a list, but I'm at a loss after that, there was a program right?
What do you think of the Japanese for Morons series?
>>135105394
Never heard of it.
>>135105394
It's exactly what it sounds like.
>>135105374
What I do is I look up the kanji like so
http://jisho.org/search/*%E6%82%B2*
And add any words that look useful and have the "common word" or "JLPT" tags. Many useful words have neither but many more useless words have neither so I err on the side of caution.
I've been thinking about picking up RTK again. I started RTK 14 months ago and got a little past the half way mark, then completely stopped (including SRS) and instead started core6k. I've finished core6k and been adding my mined vocab (mostly from 歌詞) however feel that my biggest weakpoint is failing to recognize the small radical differences between similar words. Can't help but think picking up RTK again and finishing it will help me on this. Any opinions/advice?
>>135105645
You should've been writing.
>746 cards seen
>400 suspended
おいおまえら、こっち見て
ついに中国語を話せるようになった
「我中国アル」
どう思う？
>>135105891
Translation please?
>>135106010
He's probably saying that he finally learned Chinese
What's the proper format for correcting somebody's spelling
Would it be "[their spelling]は[how it's spelled]で書くべきだ?
>>135106063
And then he said something in the stereotypical Japanese's Chinese accent.
>>135105880
shouldve disabled leeches
>>135106108
>Disabling leeches.
This meme WILL die. I'll crush it under my heel.
>>135106108
Leeches are fine if you take care of them quickly.
>>135106104
>can't speak the language
>wants to whine about someone's spelling
Jesus Christ.
>>135106104
I'd use と instead of で, but I'm no native speaker.
>>135106235
AUTISM
U
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I
S
M
>>135106621
Yes, that is definitely autistic behaviour.
Started making this but got bored, feel free to add all your epic /djt/ memes on the tree
Anon who finished Mayuri's route as my first route about 5 days ago here.
Went with Amane's route next because another anon recommended it. Thanks to whoever recommended her route to me, she was totally different from what I expected her to be (in a very good way) and I really enjoyed her route. It seemed to cover a lot of ground in terms of uncovering more bits of the mystery and shedding new light on various characters, too.
Since the common recommendation seems to be to save Yui for last, should I go for Kururi or Sakurako next? Or does it not matter much?
>DOJG
>ニューヨークタイムズは質が高く、購読者の数も多い。
BWAHAHAHAHA
>>135107589
Heisig deserves the star, to be fair.
>>135107819
'no'
Do you use the を particle or に when using the verb きる? In the sense of "i cut the fabric" for example.
ドンドン
>>135108144
はああぁい
>>135108301
ドンキーコングです。
Where in anki can I view my mature cards?
>>135108459
the guy who named him donkey kong thought that the word donkey was synonymous with foolish and idiotic. Hence, donkey kong was supposed to be a big stupid ape.
This error stemmed from his misunderstanding thinking donkey and 鈍気 are the same thing.
You can't have a Christmas tree without balls.
>>135108312
How do i know when to use に rather than を? Wouldn't fabric be the target of きる？
>>135108138
You use をto express that something is the object in a sentence; 布を鋏で切る.
リンゴを食べる
に is mostly used for when something is changing or you're going towards stuff.
違う話題に切り替える
(changing to a different topic)
東京に行く
>>135108620
It's not the "target", it's the direct object of きる.
を is the only particle that does that.
>>135108620
に is mosly used like in 彼に彼女に電話された. を marks the main object affected by the action.
俺は町の味にいきます！
>>135108995
そうか。俺わ日本。
>>135108600
>ball right over steves face
I love you Anon
>>135108995
Is this what delinquents in Japan look like?
>>135109193
This is
I've been doing ANKI for 12 days, but my daily routine is not 24h based (more like 30 hours per "day").
Because of that, I have 3 days marked as skipped in my study log.
Any advice on this? Should I study double when I get the time?
Should I study when I wake up and before going to bed on the day after I miss a study session, to compensate?
Or should I keep going at this slower rate?
>>135108808
”彼に”じゃなくて”彼は”。
>>135109274
Do reps every day at the same time. Say, 3pm. Wherever it fits your schedule.
>>135109338
私は彼に彼女に電話されたという意味でだけと
Scanned a mook on Tsuge Yoshiharu. It also has commentary by Higashimura Akiko. Half of the mook consists of articles and interviews or whatever, the other half are just his old manuscripts.
I'll upload here. This folder also has Igarashi Daisuke and Takahashi Yousuke's mooks.
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/cncslhmv68pbe
>>135110476
I don't think yunna / mother proud should be on that image.
Neither are actual aspects of DJT culture, they're just two annoying people spamming images. At least imouto is contributes to culture in a meaningful way, and zoiko actually was discussed a lot with tons of memes made from her. Mother proud and Yuuna are just annoying spam. Not part of DJT culture.
>>135107449
It doesn't matter, play the game in whatever order you like. All the routes are great.
If you want to know which routes are best, in my opinion it goes: Yui > Mayuri> Suzuno> Amane > Kururi > Suzuno
>>135110658
>suzuno twice
W-what? I assume you meantSakurako for the unspoilered one on the far right. I feel conflicted. Sakurako doesn't seem very interesting (then again I expected shitty abusive Amane and got adorable shy affectinate Amane instead, so who knows), but if I'm going for 100% completion I might as well do hers next to get it out of the way.
>>135110476
>missing dekinai-chan
Fucking disgusting.
>>135110868
＞not noticing dekinai-chan
Fucking disgusting
>>135110868
Blind people can't learn Japanese
>>135110924
Damn I fucked up, I will pay more attention to what keyboard I'm using from now on.
Christ why are there so many words for "president" or "chairperson"
>>135110868
Look at the thumbnail you blind pleb
>そっちのが難しいよ
What does he mean by this? That he doesn't get what she's implying?
Have you guys read DOJG front to back yet?
Tae Kim isn't enough but a great intro guide.
>>135111570
Ive almost finished the Intermediate sectionAfter 2 months
>>135111570
Fuck off frogposter.
>>135105345
Do you normally cum in flower patterns?
>>135111570
I'm halfway through the DOIJG, so in 1-2 months you could say I have.
>>135111570
>maki and frog together
It's like a condensed form of cancer.
>>135111570
I haven't read any grammar guides. Anime is much better
>tfw you grasp the meaning of what's being said but don't understand the grammatical constructs
>tfw battling between desire to learn and desire to read ahead of the story
godammit I would give up my entire vocabulary just to grasp this fucking grammar
>>135109732
>>135109338
Even with rikaichan i'm struggling to understand these examples
>>135108710
>>135108710
>>135108808
Thanks, I guess that helps. I find generally websites are saying に is used for transportation, times, and destinations.
I would have thought that を would have been suitable for something like riding a bus. But I suppose if に is for transportation then I should use that
>>135111915
I phoned his girlfriend, but that meant nothing.
>>135111915
>Even with rikaichan i'm struggling to understand these examples
It's one of those bullshit sentences that are grammatically correct but hard to understand and nobody actually uses
>>135111825
Post it here.
Is he saying amongst the 3 burgers, this one has the most vegetables? I dont think my understanding is correct; the next sentence fragment is about how the sauce is rather strong (docent seem connected to the previous half of the sentence).
3種類のなかで、肉、野菜のボリュームは一番多いが、BBQソースにかなりパワーがあってパティの味がちょっと負けている感じ。
>>135112436
http://rocketnews24.com/2015/10/16/650259/
>>135111570
For what purpose?
Unless you're looking to be a translator, nothing wrong with that but not as easy as it's cracked, it will only give you more to rack your brain on.
>>135112436
That burger has more meat and vegetables than the other burgers
>>135111973
>>135112028
Well, at least tell me grammar doesn't get any more complicated than verb conjugations and their particles. I think through the use of various websites I'm getting them slowly. TK's site seems to suggest it actually doesn't, but I'll see I guess
>>135112676
It really doesn't, some things can be harder to understand, and sentence structure in general is an arduous thing to cement in your brain, but in terms of straight up difficulty, verb conjugation is the hardest (mainly due to being really "arbitrary" from your point of view).
>>135112478
Much more precise understanding of what you read. It's worth it.
>>135112475
http://rocketnews24.com/2015/10/16/650259/ cont.
マクドナルドで野菜っぽいメニューを食べるなら、モグモグマックよりも断然ハムタスだ。「野菜を食べている感」が強いし、何より食べたことがある組み合わせなので安心だ。
正直、ただ単純に「ハムサンドが食べたい」と思ったら『サブウェイ』に行ってしまうと思う。しかし、マックやラーメン屋くらいしか営業していないような深夜でもこういうアッサリしたハンバーガーが買えるというのは嬉しいかもしれない。
"if you want to eat a vegtablelike menu item at mcdonald's, this item is the one. It feels alot like you are eating vegtables, but this has the safest combination.
Honestly if you wanted a ham sandwich i think you should to subway. However, in the late night when only mcdonalds and ramen shops are open, this can be easily bought which i guess is a blessing. "
GUYS HELP
PLEASE
>>135112716
Should you commit time to run through exercises and drills to make sure you have it (think sitting down and running through a worksheet), or should you continue to read until you have it?
>>135112962
The best thing you can do is re-read.
http://indwellinglanguage.com/reread/
>>135110832
Yeah that's what I meant, my bad.Did you really expect Amane to be abusive though in her own route? How would that even work? She's clearly a typical tsundere, you have to have the dere or there's no point.
>wake up
>computer is stuck on "windows starting..."
>>why did it even turn off in the first place
>i try everything, it won't start
>resign myself to the fact i'll have to do a clean reinstall
oh well, at least i can whip out my laptop and do my reps right?
>lost the past week of anki usage to the crash, along with 100s of mined cards
Merry christmas /djt/...
>>135112924
Here's my guesslation.
If you want to eat something vegetable based, even over モグモグマック, ハムタス is the definitive choice. It feels alot like you are eating vegatables and above all, you can rest at ease since this is a combination (of ingredients) that you have eaten before.
アッサリしたハンバーガー
lightly flavoured hamburger
I signed up for HelloTalk because an anon mentioned it on the last thread. But I'm afraid to talk to anyone on there.
I'll never learn Japanese.
>>135113447
That's what you get for pirating shit.
>>135112924
You seemed to get the gist of it.
>but this has the safest combination.
何より is more like, "and best of all", "and most importantly". So, "and above all, it's a familiar dish that you won't have issues eating"
>>135113447
That's what you get for touching yourself at night.
>>135113535
I couldn't do it either.
In the end I just deleted it.
>>135113540
I didn't pirate anything though?
>>135113585
Things don't just break themselves. Have you been visiting some shady sites?
>>135113522
>even over
Afaik よりも just implies a greater degree of separation than より, so "even over" is not the best translation. "ハムタス is definitely a much better choice than モグモグマック" is maybe better.
>>135113661
No. Like I said I was asleep. The only things that could have happened are lightning strikes or power outages.
>>135113535
I'll be your friend anon-kun
>>135113661
>Things don't just break themselves.
Hard drives do. If it's purely a software issue, he could easily recover his Anki shit by booting with another operating system and copying over the files.
>>135113447
Make an Ankiweb account and have anki synchronize your collection every time you close it.
>>135113859
The worms that you got from your shady sites were active while you were sleeping.
>>135113447
Anki makes a backup file every time you close it. If you have another PC to connect your HDD to you could still pull the backups before doing a clean install
>>135113950
We'll see what I can do when it's not 5am... Windows refuses to boot at all so I assume it's either the SSD or some problem with the files used for booting.
The anki progress is probably gone however, it syncs when I close the program and I guess I hadn't closed it for a week.
>>135114066
>>135113971
Forgot to mention, but see
>>135114083
>I guess I hadn't closed it for a week.
So let that be a warning to any other lazy fucks here.
>>135114006
Ok buddy.
>>135113447
Sounds like Windows did an update in the background. Are you on Windows 8 or higher? This has happened to me a few times till I changed some permission settings to stop automatic updates. Millions of people have run into this issue of Windows more or less failing to reboot after shutting itself down and going into a restart cycle. Even some of the retards on the official Windows help forums suggest if people cannot get beyond this, to do a clean install.
I managed to get through it by holding the power button long enough to shut it down that way and keep trying to boot up till it worked. Sometimes it took over an hour to get beyond that stupid "windows starting..." prompt.
Fucking stupid, but yeah: Windows.
>>135114083
>The anki progress is probably gone however, it syncs when I close the program and I guess I hadn't closed it for a week.
If you can recover it from the drive, it won't be lost, because Anki saves regularly (source: recent power outage in the middle of my reps).
>>135114148
Windows 7 and automatic updates disabled (or so I thought... I couldn't tell you for sure).
I'll try just letting it sit on "windows starting..." for a while. I have thousands of reps to do anyway.
>>135114148
Fuck yeah, it worked. I rebooted a couple of times making sure to shut it completely off instead of using the reboot button on my computer, and eventually it just started...
I did indeed have automatic updates off, the last time it updated was 2 weeks ago.
I only lost half of yesterday's anki use.
Anyway sorry for blogging.
How do I type the Japanese long sound line? I know it's on the backslash key, but its not appearing, even if I hold shift.
>>135115368
It's on the +key for me. I guess you'll just have to try out everything.
>>135115368
The key that's two keys left of backspace for me.
WHERE IS MY TAKEPAN GF I WAS PROMISED
>>135115566
dumb frogposter
>>135115566
タケパンってなーに？
WHY ARE ALL HIS IMAGES NAMED "IMOUTO"? I HAVE TO FIND OUT!
>>135115664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36I6oVknt8
左の女の子
>>135115737
What a cutie.
私はYさんのことが好き
Why is こと used in this sentence?
>>135115920
Are you sure it isn't もの, an euphemism for oppai.
>>135115920
There's no really good explanation as there is no English equivalent, it just means "i like the thing that is X-san", as for why it's said that way, who the fuck knows.
>>135116078
>it just means "i like the thing that is X-san",
what a disaster
>>135116078
But what's the difference in nuance between:
>私はYさんのことが好き
and
>私はYさんが好き
Upon reading the guide, I got heavily invested in Anki, and if you do that, you inevitably stumble upon Wozniak's supermemo articles, which seem highly interesting and elaborate to me, but this "incremental reading" sounds like a bullshit snakeoil technique and made me doubt Wozniak's competence as a whole.
I want to use these resources and integrate them, but with the fast advances in neuroscience nowadays and some articles being decades old...
For example:
http://www.super-memory.com/articles/sleep.htm#biphasic_sleep
How up-to-date is the stuff in the supermemo FAQs anyways?
>>135115737
あざっす
wat
I never heard this in all my reading manga and watching anime.
I know nothing.
>>135116131
Here's a discussion about it
http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/2102/what-is-the-%E3%81%93%E3%81%A8-in-sentences-such-as-%E3%81%82%E3%81%AA%E3%81%9F%E3%81%AE%E3%81%93%E3%81%A8%E3%81%8C%E5%A5%BD%E3%81%8D%E3%81%A0
>>135111570
I must be blind, is that already in the cornucopia? I already have the PDFs, just wondering.
>>135116131
I don't really think there is one. They practically mean the same thing.
>>135116117
It gets worse.
>>135116170
Recently learned this one in 言語交換, so it's definitely a word that's in use.
>>135116240
That's really helpful, thank you.
>>135116380
The answer by user458 is by a native speaker, if you want something you can be sure of.
>>135115920
Think of it this way: when people say they love someone, most of the time what they really mean is that they love what the person represents, the image or thing/being of that person; their actions, achievements; what they mean to the person holding affection. Women don't love men, they love the thing of what the man does for them. It is a matter of physicality and abstraction.
>>135116131
There is a degree of separation that we aren't really cognizant of when using the English language. こと is identifying the state of being of the individual specifically, in this context, which the person is enamoured with. Depending on the people/situation, it could seem more or less of an intimate expression of your emotional attachment to the individual. What is love, at the end of the day? You have to experience in some manner, either be it by direct interaction or empathy, the feelings expressed to which the language is being used to signify. Some tangible things sound odd to directly talk about in respect to actions which stem from an immaterial source while some intangible states feel at odds to discuss in a direct manner.
こと can be thought of sometimes as a means to quantify a relationship between a quantitative, measurable state and a subjective reference.
>>135115705
He's pretending to be a little girl.
>>135104942
Could someone please tell me what this is saying?
It reminds me of 上回る but it's probably different. I tried looking up 上まれ in some Japanese dictionaries like goo and nothing came up.
How are you spending Emperor's birthday, /djt/?
>>135116686
止マレ
>>135116686
There's a stroke missing on 止
>>135116726
>>135116732
Thanks. I thought it looked weird.
>>135116732
they must have not done rtk
>>135116555
I feel like I actually kind of get it now. Thank you.
くぞったれ
this is real vulgar or just so-so?
>>135117263
>ぞ
???
Does anyone contribute to the Reading List anymore or is it fucking dead?
what method or decks do you guys recommend for learning kanji? say i want to drill a couple readings too.
besides rtk/kd, of course.
>>135117776
>besides rtk
You cant' learn kanji.
>>135117624
There's like less than a dozen people total who have contributed to the things that are associated with the DJT links/guide/page. Good luck encoraging people to add to the reading list when most of us are too busy looking for things to rag on and meme about.
That said I've written up a little bit about stuff I'm reading. Have a small list of non-Core words and niche things I had to look up, but most of it is scattered across a pile of different text documents. It needs a bit of cleaning up but I was going to add it to the list on the page people can add stuff to, when I'm done reading through. I'll get off my arse, stop being lazy and eventually and put it together in a summary.
What do you think of adding frequency/word lists to a pastebin and linking it with the Reading List reviews of things? Just started reading a light novel series and the text source can be analysed. They might give people interest in the series if they knew how many unique kanji/words, etc. are involved? Just shooting ideas because I have nothing else useful to bring to the table at the moment.
>>135117776
The kanji deck an anon posted in the last thread is real nice. Link to the post >>135081856
You can sort it by stroke count, RtK keywords (alphabetical, though), Kanken grade, or frequency. I'm using the default which is frequency.
>>135117905
We should make a VN list, with downloads and everything.
I have a few I can upload that aren't found in many places but my speed is 100KB/s.
>>135117905
I guess you could add a column where you can add in your text documents if you want to but I can't get on board with your text source analysing idea. It might encourage people to stay in their bubble of material they know they can read and stagnate improvement. For now it would be good if we could expand the (dynamic) reading list as much as possible and maybe get more people to add to it.
>>135118011
>It might encourage people to stay in their bubble of material they know they can read and stagnate improvement.
How do you figure?
>>135118208
see many unknown words --> decide not to read it and stick to easy material
>>135118252
Or
see the words you need to know, target study them and read the material faster?
Isn't this essentially what people recommend with doing the first 2000 words of the Core deck then studying vocab directly from the material you want to read?
>>135117367
my bad, くそったれ
>>135118304
Oh man I remember talking about this with you a couple months back. It could work I guess. It sounds pretty stupid, but it could work. Automating it would be a pain in the ass though. Even if you exclude words that are already in the user's Anki deck, there'll still be a couple hundred to a thousand words that he already knows but hasn't put in Anki. So you might have to stick to people contributing their own "unique vocab".
Unless what you mean is just give the user 20-50 less common words to get an idea of how hard it is.
>>135117871
the thing is, i tried rtk out (using the book, and anki to review) .. about 1200 kanji in, I realized that i was spending more time on mnemonics and stories than on kanji.
>>135117905
thanks, this is very nice.
>>135118413
Are you aware of the MorphMan add-on for Anki? It sounds similar to what you are describing.
>>135118595
Actually ignore that post. I thought you meant fetching new content out of Anki, not real reading material. Carry on.
>>135118476
What took you so long? The thing about learning vocabulary first, is that they become a tool to help you remember the kanji later in a helpful way.
詐欺 for example I remember as 詐 sa like in 作 but lies are something you say, and 欺 is deceive from 欺く.
>>135117983
Need a "how to play VN" faq.
The problem i've had with VN is that it's actually hard to run some of them.
I've got 2 VN running on my PC now. Each one was a major pain in the ass. Especially getting the texthooker running. Took a significant amount of research and trial&error.
>>135118413
It sounds like I didn't do a very good job of explaining.
Using some of CB's text analysis software I can run a text file of some light novel volume, for example, and also input a text file containing a list of known words- such as a list of the words in the Core 2000 part of the Core2k6k10k deck, or the first 6000 words, whatever- and the program will when analysing the text, ignore the list of known words when calculating the output.
As a hypothetical tiny example, say the text has the following words
年上
上げる
下り
あれ
椅子
一昨日
高さ
今晩
椅子
While using a text file of known words
年上
上げる
下り
あれ
The output file would only contain the following as unknown
椅子
一昨日
高さ
今晩
椅子
It would make a lot more sense if I compiled an actual example using the Core2000 words and a text source. Might do it a little bit later and post the results.
>>135118697
Or you can just add the words you don't know as you encounter them vita rikisama? Just type the word into a text box and highlight. If you are at the point where this would stop you every other sentence then you need to do core 6k and N5-N1.
>>135118697
Yeah, I do get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that even after excluding core6k + whatever the user has mined, won't there be a lot of redundant words that the user has learned already just from reading and not from Anki (since it won't be in the "excluded" list)?
Just checking -- the purpose of this is to let the reader learn all the vocab before starting to read right?
>>135118800
Yes there would be, it's a retarded idea. Another learn Japanese quick scheme.
>>135118787
Mt. Stupid
>>135118787
>Or you can just add the words you don't know as you encounter them vita rikisama?
How can you do that if you are reading a light novel on a Kindle, for example?
>>135118800
>the purpose of this is to let the reader learn all the vocab before starting to read right?
They could do that I suppose. It is essentially the same as mining vocab only a means to entirely automate the process upfront.
>>135118841
>Another learn Japanese quick scheme.
Not at all. Can you please explain the difference between:
Reading a book/series and adding unknown words as you come across them.
AN
Reading a book/series and reviewing the unknown words from the get go instead of mining them as you come across them.
You're going to mine those words if your intention is to mine the unknown words in the material you are reading, one way or the other. By comparing this to a
>learn Japanese quick scheme.
You are also saying the same thing about someone using the Core2k6k10k deck, because it is the exact same thing, only something like this is tailored to the material you are currently reading.
It's gotten to the point where I don't even considering reading Japanese SOL nukige/moege to be study because I benefit so little (since I already know the vast majority of what I see). However, I still read them more than anything else, indeed because the words like LOGH which have high density of unknown words turns me away.
>>135118652
I have installed like, 60 VNs. I will write my process.
1) Download from a legal vendor
2) Extract ISO file using winrar
2.5) If MDF, change to ISO and try extracting that, if it fails just mount the MDF with a disk mounter
3) Run the game exe
3.5) If an error occurs, proceed to step four, if the game opens, you're done
4) Run the setup.exe
5) Setup the game, put shortcut on desktop
6) Doubleclick shortcut
7) Game runs, all good
7.5) If the game has an error message like pic related, you need to use AlphaROMdie to crack the exe, just dragging the exe over the alpharom executable should work. If a game needs AlphaROM then the torrent you got it from likely included a rar of alpharom.
8) Texthooking - To be 100% honest, I only used Chiitrans lite and skipped a game if Chiitrans lite didn't work. This is because it's so much better than anything else. For Chiitrans lite, there are two methods. Open chiitrans and then open the game through it, or open the game then attach Chiitrans to the game window. The latter method does not work for random games for no apparent reason. Chiitrans will then hook the game. Begin playing the game and skip through some text by clicking manually, and somewhat slowly. Chiitrans will start reading threads. Uncheck garbage (stuff like 「」「」・・「」・・) and only check the actual text. Done. Some games will not find actual text. That means you can't read them with Chiitrans, and in that case I just wouldn't read the VN. However 90% of games I've played found actual text.
8.5) Chiitrans works with all Kirikiri games, the most common VN engine.
Any questions?
>>135118977
>How can you do that if you are reading a light novel on a Kindle, for example?
Not him but my Kindle has a Vocabulary Builder function that even has built-in flash cards. All words that I look up get recorded there with example sentences pulled from the sentences they were used. But usually I just type the words I don't know on my PC and use Epwing2Anki from the Vocab Builder. If I'm not wrong, certain versions of Kindles just save to a word list file which would make it even easier to import to Anki.
>>135118977
You will end up with a lot of garbage because Japanese parsers are pretty shit, even the advance ones. Names and made up terms are just the start. There is a reason why no one has done this before, aside from it being a stupid idea.
>>135119077
Any suggestions on where to get a kindle an which to get? Do I have to buy my novels online via Japanese proxy? Does it support raw text files and saves my place when I close a book?
>>135119013
Have you used Visual Novel Reader? I installed that and have used it with two visual novels, although only for testing purposes. It was really straight forward but I don't see it mentioned much. Is Chiitrans lite the most widely supported, or has the widest support for games, out of the current engine.
>>135119077
>Not him but my Kindle has a Vocabulary Builder function that even has built-in flash cards.
You're right, it does.
>>135119089
>You will end up with a lot of garbage because Japanese parsers are pretty shit,
Works pretty well for me.
>There is a reason why no one has done this before
People have been doing this for years on the Kanji Koohii forum.
>aside from it being a stupid idea.
You have yet to explain how it is a stupid idea. I've already presented why I think it is essentially the same as mining from a source but vastly easier and to be honest your response seems like a kneejerk reaction to something you don't know much about. The statement that "on one has done this before" illustrates that you are making up things to support your emotional position, as it is not based on evidence. This of course could be entirely incorrect but you have provided no evidence to the contrary.
Either way, some people will take advantage of this while others won't. There are still people out there that hold similar views as your own towards texthookers and pop-up electronic dictionaries. This antagonism towards different ideas isn't exactly a unique human trait.
>>135119170
I purchased a Kindle Paperwhite on sale. It has 2GB internal storage, from memory.
>Do I have to buy my novels online via Japanese proxy?
From the Japanese Amazon store, yes.
Some information here
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=10103
>Does it support raw text files
No. It supports mobi files and azw3/pc files. There are programs which can convert aozorabunko formatted x/html text files and images into ebooks and mobi files. Explain more next post.
>>135107449
>Thanks to whoever recommended her route to me
You're welcome. Between Kururi and Sakurako it doesn't really matter. I'd do Kururi first, but I don't really have a reason why.
I've been going through Suzuno's route for a week and I'm still at the stupid water gun fight. I thought I would never have to go through this again. I've been busy with Christmas decorating, shopping, and baking so I've been slacking on the reading. This isn't looking good for me.
Android user here, I'm trying to get Japanese fonts working properly on my phone. But all methods seem to require rooting, and all the rooting tools I've found don't seem to work with my particular phone.
Anyone know of an alternate way to get the fonts displaying correctly?
>>135119257
>>Do I have to buy my novels online via Japanese proxy?
>From the Japanese Amazon store, yes.
fuck it, I'll just buy the books and learn Japanese. Those shits are always a huge pain to deal with, especially with no Japanese credit card.
>>135119257
Chiitrans light is just the most lightweight and effective. It works with tons of games, it has exactly what you need, it's simple (just open the game, remove romaji/translations, done)... I haven't ever used VNR.
>>135119170
>>135119257
A bit more on the Kindle deal.
There is a program called Sent to Kindle, which allows you to send mobi files to Amazon's servers under your account, which are then converted to an encrypted azw3 file for Kindle devices/Kindle Android/iOS app, called a prc file. Using a program called Calibre and a third party plugin it can remove the encrypted DRM from this prc file and convert them to an azw3 file anyone can use on their Kindle device. The prc encrypted files are registered to the user account, so they can't be shared.
There is a collection of already converted Japanese ebooks in the CoR, a collection of both azw3 and also text/ebook/mobi files if you want to handle those yourself.
Here is a link to the root folder of these different files, if for whatever reason you want to download anything and everything in bulk:
https://mega.nz/#F!65dD2AhK!KnLYlyy0Ax65qxzWIOLKbA
This might be a bit easier to use, though. It is a spreadsheet with the contents mapped out in a more user friendly manner.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VlUpDwG_PUsfyDpDSFnzJB_GU42n8KRUzobLneET9g/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0
>>135119373
See above.
>>135119332
>Android user here, I'm trying to get Japanese fonts working properly on my phone.
Good luck. If you can get it without root access, tell me. That was the main reason why the above linked kanji deck with the KanjiStrokeOrders font was converted to gif images, due to being unable to get them to display properly.
>>135119382
Lightweight and effective are two great words. Will definitely look into it if I ever start really getting into VNs. Thanks for that detailed post back there; it looks like it will be useful down the road.
>>135119382
>chiitrans
>flyable heart
did april come early?!
>>135119468
...shut up, dude....
>>135119468
Eh? It's always worked with it.
>>135119467
Can I move files freely to my kindle or do I need some special software?
aahhh i gotta do my reps...........
>>135119292
>I've been going through Suzuno's route for a week and I'm still at the stupid water gun fight.
And here I thought you had a chance. It's impossible now, give up. You can't make it. Those 11 months were for nothing.
>>135119559
>Can I move files freely to my kindle
Plug it into your computer with a usb, drag and drop the azw3 files into the
Kindle ([drive letter]:)\documents
Very straight forward.
筆者：「そうですか……。逆にドラッグストアで、定価のアルフォートを見たこともない気がするんですが」
"I take it you guys dont look at the list price"
担当者：「はい。アルフォートが手頃な価格で販売されていることが多いのは事実です。弊社でも定価で販売することはあまりありません」
Is the representative saying that they rarely sell at the listed price or that they rarely do not sell at the listed price?
How do I set up rikai's auto-import to include example sentences with translation?
>>135119738
They rarely sell at the listed price.
>>135119689
Which model do you have?
homoshiroi
>>135119170
I'm using this one.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/review/ereaders/amazon-kindle-review-2014-ereader-59-3581861/
Got it from a friend for free but it's the cheapest option I hear. Note that it doesn't have screen light though so you have to read it like you would a book (near a light).
>えす
>jesus
what?
>>135120011
You Americans really fucked up the original pronounciation of Jesus, the Japanese エス is closer. Maybe what your own language m8.
>>135120056
>your own language
not
>>135120011
His original name wasn't Jesus you know. Try Wikipedia for some clues to this mystery.
>>135120011
耶稣 (ye su) in Chinese. I guess it's one of those weird transliteration things?
>>135119634
I'm sure I could make it, but I probably won't. I'm not going to give up. I finished Sakurako and Mayuri in a week each. Unless Suzuno is really long, it is possible still.
担当者：「もう一つは、価格が折り合いやすいからです。例えば我々が他メーカーさんの商品を安く売りたいとしても、仕入れ値が高くなってしまった結果、安くお客様に提供できなければ意味がありません。その点でもアルフォートは取扱いやすいのです」
"One other thing, the price is trade negotiated. For example, even if we wanted to sell another company's products cheap, the end-user price will rise, if we can't provide the customer the product at a low price then its pointless. This point also makes alfort products easy to manage.
筆者：「ほうほう。では、人気があって仕入れ値の折り合いがつきやすいから、アルフォートは激安で販売されていることが多いということですか？」
"I see. Then if the product is popular the trade negotiation is easy. There are often times Alfort sells its product cheap, right?"
I fail to see the argument the representative is making. Is he simply saying that without the trade agreement, they can't buy the inventory cheap enough to sell to the end customer cheap?
>>135120134
Or maybe 仕入れ値 is two words, 仕入れ and 値 referring to the price to buy the inventory?
>>135120134
Wow I can't understand any of this
>>135120197
use rikaichan, oftentimes the volcab obscures and distracts from the grammar.
You can learn more words later.
>>135120265
I know all the words though
>>135120287
well do you KNOW the words or did you learn them without context like in anki?
I find myself in this situation often as well. The only solution is to read read read read read.
授業
教授
>>135111451
What manga is that? The art looks familiar.
Quick question.
いけにえと
雪のセツナ
Would that be read as:
[Ikenie to Yuki] no [Setsuna] ("Sacrifice and Snow of Setsuna")
or
[Ikenie] to [Yuki no Setsuna] ("Sacrifice and Setsuna's Snow")
>>135120516
hence the importance of learning kanji meanings; not that you need to explicitly learn kanji
>>135120546
Both are possible. I'd guess it's the latter.
>Setsuna's Snow
Setsuna of Snow
>>135120592
>Setsuna of Snow
No, it'd either be Snow of Setsuna or Setsuna's Snow.
セツナの雪 would be Setsuna of Snow, or maybe "Snowy Setsuna"
あまがみ
>>135119899
Kindle Paperwhite, 2015 4GB wifi model.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/06/amazon-kindle-paperwhite-2015-australian-review/
>>135120798
>australia
>>135120881
Yes; that country almost the size of the United State of America with millions of people living on it. The difference in models would be wall socket chargers and minor packaging details.
Is the rest of the world completely retarded when it comes to geography or something?
>>135120348
Yeah I need to read news articles and stuff
>>135120937
Why so uptight, man? Are you insecure about being Australian?
デリヘル
>>135120134
First part is arguing that because it's easy to come to an (satisfying) agreement regarding price you can for example decide to change supplier without having to worry about higher supply costs affecting your ability to continue to offer your goods for a cheap price.
The second one is combining the popularity and negotiability as reasons for why it's sold so extremely cheaply.
That's how I read it.
>>135120961
>Why so uptight, man?
How do you think an American would react if someone responded in the same way about their nation? I can tell you right now:
>hurr durr go away europoor
>Are you insecure about being Australian?
Are you insecure about not being Australia? What an odd question, considering the entirely flippant reaction to a direct response to a previous question. Jesus, take a step back man: this isn't /int/ and reacting like >>135120881 is nothing sort of shitposting.
>>135121035
>sort
>>135121035
Fuck off CoRkun
>>135121035
When the fuck is Hiro going to rangeban your awful country?
>>135121035
i'm with you australia-kun!
>>135118697
椅子をガウナと読んでしまったよ
弐瓶勉のせいだ
>>135121045
>>135121069
>>135121071
>>135121084
These sort of reactions justify the comment made, you realize this right?
>Fuck off CoRkun
That doesn't make any sense.
Why would you want someone who built the resources /djt/ is currently known for, to go away? Please stop making Americans look bad on the Internet because even if you aren't, others will assume you are.
Wait, wasn't the first CoR-Kun Australian as well? I thought he left and got replaced by someone else. But it can't be just a coincidence that CoR-Kun 2 is also Australian..............
>>135121172
Who are you talking about?
>>135121162
He's being real uptight, and when someone mentioned that, he just goes off and makes another uptight post instead of relaxing and ignoring it. So I posted the Condescending anime girl reaction face. Someone called him uptight and in response he made an uptight post.
>>135121172
Australians all have a massive inferiority complex from being born in the worst country on Earth. So it makes sense that they'd try and get people to like them, but of course that's impossible.
>>135121217
The one who first built the Cornucopia left the thread and gave away access to all its contents in maybe Mars or so this year. He was also Australian.
>>135121226
>He's being real uptight
This is the uptight post in question: >>135120881
Read the conversion that led up to that point.
>>135121279
>Mars
>>135121279
Bonjour mon ami
>>135121286
That's not uptight. I made that post and I was just making a stupid joke. "banter" if you will. Your post and the Australian's response to it is what's uptight.
>>135121279
Oh, okay then. What has that got to do with this thread?
>>135121288
Anon could be French.
>>135120978
So is he saying that the consequence of buying from another company would increase the price
or
if they bought from another company, and then the price rose, they would be unable to sell to the customer cheaply
>>135121325
It being part of DJT history of course!
>>135121321
bantz mate
I have wasted literally a month making 0 progress, spending all my time reading moege and nukige instead of reading economic stuff like >>135120134 which will actually help me improve. And yet, even being aware of this, nothing will change, because there aren't too many economic VNs to study with
>>135121397
VNs VNs VNs. Why is everyone here so obsessed with VNs.
>>135121397
Why do you fucking care if you can read what you like already?
>>135121321
>That's not uptight.
It is really.
>Your post and the Australian's response to it is what's uptight.
Calling out pointless shitposting that has both nothing to do with the conversation and which if the shoe was on the other foot, would most definitely has caused Americans to respond aggressively, is not being uptight. Don't be hypocritical bud: if you can't handle the response, don't flame. You're being uptight about getting called out.
That's real banter.
What is up with these Captcha at the moment? A few posts ago it has a picture of two people clearly identifiable walking down a road.
>>135120978
Source
http://rocketnews24.com/2015/12/18/680687/
>>135121415
Because they're the highest medium of art, the most immersive and emotional storytelling technique, and the greatest VNs rank as the most beautiful works of literature ever written in the history of mankind.
>>135121338
Transactions happen at a price. If you change supplier the previous price won't carry over. If the negotiations go bad you might have to pay a higher price than before.
So the first one I guess.
>>135121415
VNs are comfortable. Anime girls are always in front of you, text is one line at a time, and unlike manga you have easily copy/pastable text.
If I go to diamond.jp all I get is articles about boring economic shit. If I open LOGH, which is pretty compelling, I get an overwhelming wall of pic related, no anime girls in sight. Hard to stay focused and motivated.
>>135121427
I dunno anon, maybe because I've dumped years into learning the language and it's really depressing/hurtful to me to see simple-ass economic dialogue be way out of my league. Can't even cut on the news without being lost. I want to be fluent in a language I've dedicated a good chunk of my life in.
>>135121454
奈須 ranks up there with Shakesphere and E. L. James.
>>135121492
You could just try reading world news or something.
Or don't tell me you're one of those people who don't give a fuck about what's going on in the world.
>>135121429
No it's not. I made the post so I'm very aware of how uptight I was when I posted it, which is zero, I just saw australia and zoomed to my image folder.
I think it's funny that you keep making these posts though, surely you're aware of how uptight you're being, yet you keep making the posts.
>>135121519
Why are you being so uptight about getting called out for immature shitposting?
Take a chill pill.
>>135120937
>Yes; that country almost the size of the United State of America with millions of people living on it
lel
3/4s of the continent is still unexplored land in the hand of abbos
>>135121539
>unexplored
>in the hand of abbos
Make up your mind champion: it is unexplored or not?
>>135121560
Unexplored usually means "not explored by humans".
>>135121514
Let's see what great stuff await in world news
http://diamond.jp/subcategory/国際
Hmm let's click this one
http://diamond.jp/articles/-/83643
>five pages of: そしていま私は、ワシントンD.Cで太平洋の向こう側をイメージしながら、数ヵ月前にこの地で繰り広げられた米中首脳外交を振り返りながら（連載第61回「米国公式訪問で引き出された習近平政治の意外な素顔」参照）、本稿を執筆している。冒頭の政府関係者の話にもにじみ出ているように、サイバーという新しい分野は、習近平時代の中国が新たな発展空間と戦略的利益を追求していく上で核心的に重大であり、かつそのプロセスは超大国・米国のそれらと真正面から衝突する潜在性を秘めている
How compelling...
I think that even when I'm at native level, I'm going to like watching shows with English subtitles. It's fun to hear how dialogue originally written in Japanese just doesn't work as well when someone tries to translate it.
>>135121577
>humans are not humans
>>135121597
>>135121607
He's making a joke(?) that aboriginals are sub-humans / beasts / whatever
>>135121640
Do you explain jokes in real life too
>>135121640
It's called poor back-pedalling. This ain't /pol/. This is how retarded it is:
>America
>populated by Mexicans illegals
>1st world nation
>>135121673
They're acting like he's an idiot when it should be obvious what he's implying. I thought I'd do them a favour before they embarrassed themselves further.
>>135121705
Everyone got the joke retard.
>>135121702
>It's called poor back-pedalling.
What? It's clear from the start he's just bashing the country, there's nothing to back pedal on, from the start it was nonsense meant to rile people up.
>>135121733
see >>135121560
>>135121597
>>135121607
>>135121705
Are you ESL, or Australian?
>>135121744
Wow so when someone says a joke in a group 2 out of 3 people don't understand you're the first one to jump out and explain it huh
>>135121751
>or
Australians are practically ESLs without a first language.
>反欧米のアサド現政権を支持したのは、ロシアとイランである。一方、「反アサド派」を支持、支援したのは、米国、英国、ドイツ、フランス、イタリアだ。
>そして、今回ロシア機を撃墜したトルコ、サウジアラビア、カタール、アラブ首長国連邦、ヨルダン、エジプトも反アサド派を支持した。これらの国々は、イスラム教「スンニ派」諸国である。シリアは、人口の約6割がスンニ派。しかし、アサドは「シーア派」の一派「アラウィー派」に属する。スンニ派諸国は、アサド政権を打倒して「スンニ派政権」を樹立したいのだ。
>>135121802
Maybe you could change America and Europe to 自由惑星同盟 and Russia to 銀河帝国 et.c.
>>135121705
>It's clear from the start he's just bashing the country
>from the start it was nonsense meant to rile people up.
Exactly
>there's nothing to back pedal on
See: >>135121519
>surely you're aware of how uptight you're being
If you can't see the irony of this situation you're a lost cause.
>>135121802
Isn't Iran supporting the U.S. against Syria and ISIS, or something?
That post really drives home how little I know about politics.
>>135121862
I'd be a lot easier to read LOGH if I didn't lose my place every time I looked away.
>>135121902
I am >>135121519 >>135121321 >>135120881
and have made no other posts on the subject
For me, there is nothing to backpedal on, because all I did in the first place was make a joke. That apparently got taken really seriously.
>>135121903
Opinion pieces and editorials might be more to your liking
I trust this thread knows best. Are there any voice to text recognition better than Google's?
>>135122005
The best voice to text recognition is your brain which can do 4 quadrillion calculations per second
>>135121903
>>135121986
That isn't bad advice. There are heaps of niche interest blogs out there in Japanese which have a decent range of style and currency of topics. Even voice actor and mangaka blogs can be fun to follow.
>>135121927
>That apparently got taken really seriously.
This is very dishonest because you know that if the same post was made by someone mocking America in the same manner, it would have caused butthurt from multiple people.
Calling for a double standard to be respected and expecting people not to care or to take bait is hypocritical in nature.
This isn't /b/; explaining that you were merely acting like a /b/tard is not justification for shitposting. Do you realize that you can be banned for admitting to what you did? There is a reason why those rules are in place, because encouraging mindless shitposting is detrimental to the entire board. This might be something you don't care about but if the same attitude is held by thousands of posters, a board turns into another /b/. To see this in action, look at /v/. Do you want /a/ to be be like /v/?
>>135121986
The problem is that I can close my web browser and stay focused on a VN for 6+ hours easily, reading non-stop, however, even with editorials and opinion pieces, I just get bored and want to quit within 10 minutes. Compelling content isn't a joke. If you aren't compelled to read something, you'll find excused not to read it, you'll tab out, you'll lose focus, ultimately you just won't get a lot of good study done. That's my problem - all the stuff I *need* to read to improve is stuff I don't really feel compelled to read. The article about IS and whatnot is really interesting, but even then I can't really keep focused on it because despite being interested, because I don't feel compelled to read it.
In short, the flesh is weak, and the mind is weak!
>>135122046
>This isn't /b/; explaining that you were merely acting like a /b/tard is not justification for shitposting. Do you realize that you can be banned for admitting to what you did? There is a reason why those rules are in place, because encouraging mindless shitposting is detrimental to the entire board. This might be something you don't care about but if the same attitude is held by thousands of posters, a board turns into another /b/. To see this in action, look at /v/. Do you want /a/ to be be like /v/?
Can you please admit that you're being uptight right now? Like... I'm not even trying to defend my post, I'm not proud of it or anything, at this point I'm really just flabbergasted, do you really deny being uptight about this?
>>135122108
He's always like this, m8. Don't bother.
heh
>>135122081
Download a small collection of web pages with articles, etc. in them and disconnect yourself from the internet. At least that way you can't go to another page and whim. Use fullscreen mode to see if that helps locking you into it.
Do you have a tablet or mobile device? Reading while laying down could get you into the groove.
>>135122108
I think the problem is that your idea of uptight is having an impassioned rational response to something. That isn't being uptight, it is being calm and collected on a board designed to be used by adults.
>>135122182
>He's always like this
I'd be very interested as to how you know this, on an anonymous image board.
>Don't bother
Is that for you to say?
>>135122235
>I'd be very interested as to how you know this, on an anonymous image board.
Because you're always like this.
>>135122235
>I'd be very interested as to how you know this, on an anonymous image board.
Yeah not that guy but you really are like this a lot. It's noticeable.
>>135122228
she looks drugged
Can 走馬燈 be used as a metaphor?
>>135122299
Nope, that's on the "not allowed in metaphors" list
>>135122316
Thanks. I'll come back when I need to purchase more metaphors.
>>135121789
sure m8, its hot as fuck here today
most of us cant into english at the best of times.. but at least i did my reps today
![2015-12-23 17_03_04-(一般コミック) [吉富昭仁] 地球の放課後 第03巻_CCF_0064.jpg [69_188] - Honeyview 5.11.png](https://i.imgur.com/R7b04s0.png "2015-12-23 17 03 04-(一般コミック) [吉富昭仁] 地球の放課後 第03巻 CCF 0064 [69 188] - Honeyview 5.11")
This sure looks like a becoming way of a parent and child to sit
>>135122298
>5 minutes into the class and she gives you this look
>>135122298
LSDしよっか
>>135122441
It is if you're not a pedo.
>>135122725
アノンは幼女だけど
ひーっ
>>135122441
poority is hell
Why do VNs have such shit waifus compared to manga and anime
>>135122441
If you didn't know, female infants shit themselves too. And their parents have to wash shit out of their tiny vaginas. After that sitting like that doesn't even register as something inappropriate. If you're not a pedo, of course.
>>135122775
Wow thank god I'm a virgin
Did the anon from yesterday end up getting the kanji-named SVG files I uploaded for him?
>>135122916
No he committed ritual suicide because the entire thread came down on him for being autistic
>>135122771
Possibility #1: You're reading shit VNs
Possibility #2: You have shit tastes
There is no possibility #3.
>>135105880
Just keep adding cards.
This may sound like a dumb question, but can you guys help me?
What should I remember from these sections on jisho.org?
1 - Thats obvious.
2 - Im not sure what this means. Is this actual meaning of the kanji alone? If I look at the kanji, it can mean all of these words? Does it depend on how I will read that kanji? Should I remember this section? Or should I just pass it and remeber sections 4 and 5?
3 - Do I need to remember all these readings? Or just few of them?
4/5 - Do I need to remember these?
>>135124471
Go and follow the guide, you're doing it completely wrong.
>>135124611
I know about anki and all, I just want to create my custom deck.
>>135124471
First of, replace #kanji with #word.
Second, scroll to a word that seems useful involving that kanji. For example 日 - day/days
Make sure it's marked as "common word", and since you're starting out preferable "JLPT N3-5".
Now, memorize the kanji itself, its reading in that particular word, and the meaning of the word.
Add it to anki with
Front: 日
Back: ひ -- day/days
Rinse repeat until you're Japanese.
You might ask, well what about the other readings? You add them as separate cards, so you would also add
Front: 日記
Back: にっき -- diary
There are a few kanji you'll encounter at the start that has so many common readings that this method is a bit impractical. 日 is definitely one of them. If you wanted to learn 委 you would probably be fine with just 委ねる for now.
Or just download a core6k deck which is essentially just this but for your first 6,000 words... It does have a lot of useless words, and a lot of missing useful ones though, so eventually you'll have to add words like this anyway.
>>135124791
Have you gone through a grammar guide? Why the fuck are you trying to mine 日?
>>135124471
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sO88keA0kMfRFInAzx-ZvFkoDzwtFEo8c_I4MFLQDgg/pub
To the thread: Steal this primer. Rewrite it. Make it part of the guide.
>>135124822
Thank you, this helped.
>>135124831
I already know 日 and few others, I just put it there without thinking...
And from grammar I know only basics.
>>135124915
Do it yourself fag
so for na-adjectives and i-adjectives do you just learn which is what from reading cause it doesnt really seem that complicated otherwise(いい and かっこういい having some exception)
just a different way to indicate the state of being?
>>135125745
na adjectives are nouns that can be used as adjectives using a binding particle "na".
i adjectives are verbs that are adjectives instead of verbs (i.e. there is never an actor or object of any kind, just the subject). verbs in japanese can act like adjectives where you merely put them before the noun and then it describes that noun.
>>135125840
oh that makes heaps of sense, cheers
fucken catchpa getting festive
Hey.
I recently started learning Japanese, and have learned hiragana (took me a while:( ). Currently I use this site: http://realkana.com/ to practise my recognition of kana, and will probably continue to use it through learning katakana. I'm still VERY slow when it comes to hiragana though: is this normal?
I was thinking about what helps me recognise English characters so easily, and I came to the realisation that a lot of it was recognising the word or sentence, rather than the individual letters. I feel like what would really benefit me, is an app where I could see a sentence written in just hiragana, and be asked to type it out. I've tried finding books or texts online, but they all have a load of katakana / kanji throughout! This makes them much harder to practise on.
Anybody have any suggestions?
Thanks.
>>135126337
It doesn't matter just learn them all and you'll reinforce your memory of them as you start learning words and grammar
クリスましょう
>>135126337
>I was thinking about what helps me recognise English characters so easily
You see them tens of thousands of times every day. As >>135126461 said, you are going to encounter them to the same extent when you start studying and reading things anyway.
That is, don't dwell on it too much, just move on and you'll cement them in your memory as you study. If you linger around this step for too long you will waste a lot of time achieving nothing.
>>135126337
>a lot of it was recognising the word or sentence, rather than the individual letters
kanji should fill that function, not hiragana alone
just do what you're currently doing until both hiragana and katakana are a piece of piss to identfy with all typefaces. Try not to speak them out loud, let your fingers do their shit
beware of ソ and ン and ツ and ツ
>>135126587
>ツ and ツ
Literally indistinguishable
>>135126337
Just keep reading? It will come naturally to you, its not like you started reading words instantly when you learnt the alphabet, no you had to sound it out. There will just come a point where you dont even need to think about it to read it. Just take your time man. No rush.
>>135126337
I am not sure why is hiragana taking you so long. The average person takes just 1-2 days to learn hiragana, and another 2 days for katakana.
これはベイトでござう
Just, why? What the hell should I do with this?
>>135126919
Filter by common
>>135126919
Are you retarded?
>>135126948
Even if I filter it, it shows like 20 words.
>>135127047
Maybe.
>>135126919
http://jisho.org/search/%EF%BC%8A%E6%8E%9B%E3%81%91%E3%82%8B
>>135126919
>wanikani level 10
jisho is supporting wanikani?
wanikani paid jisho off?
>>135126632
>>135126625
>>135126587
>>135126581
>>135126461
>Responding to reddit
That's why this general is so shit.
>>135127127
Sucks for you if you dismissed WaniKani as bad just because a vocal minority of autists railed against it on a Taiwanese embroidery forum. Maybe you'll learn to think for yourself someday.
>>135126919
The box fell.
The civilization fell to ruin.
The incident caused the company's PR to fall.
Facing overwhelming pressure from the rival army, the country's first line of defense fell.
The criminal fell off the grid.
The meat fell off of the bone.
There's a few things that are very similar to those definitions right there, albeit with an additional qualifier in some cases.If you want to see a word that's actually bullshit, look at 掛ける. You basically just have to get used to each individual context.
>>135127260
how do you recognize a post is from reddit unless.. you yourself are from there? shitcunt?
>>135127260
While the post is fairly suspicious even for a newfag, we get dumb shit like that all the time that isn't from reddit. Your fault (or whoever that guy is keeps doing it) for constantly visiting reddit and posting stuff from there. Not everyone is autistic enough to go check reddit every time someone asks a dumb question. Fuck off.
>>135127260
How am I supposed to know it's from reddit pussyfart?
>>135127359
I like to imagine words like that like "put" in english. It's just there to fit in with other set words.
>>135127359Goddammit, now I want some ribs.
>>135127481
>Eating fag shit.
>You couldn't make an onahole like this tit-hole!
Am I interpreting this right?
>>135127918
Post whole page
>>135127931
2lewd4nipplemod
>>135128070
is than an ass or a pair of tits? the fuck
>>135128096
It's a tit.
>>135127918
You don't get onaholes like this tithole.
>>135128152
So pretty much right then, thanks. Just seemed a bit off.
Is the expression 緊張の糸 talking about stress in general? Closest thing I found is 緊張の糸が切れる, which according to weblio means a stressful situation suddenly becomes relaxed or something.
tfw getting anal a year from now
>>135128762
Nobody fucking cares, fuck off with your offtopic shit
>>135128785
but it's in Japanese, anon
>>135128762
>>>/int>
>知的所有権の貿易関連の側面に関する協定
>>135129020
Do the elevens have some nifty abbreviation for this?
>>135129020
>TRIPS
>>135129020
側面に関する協定があったとしても
正面に関する協定はないんだよね
there isnt a description for old people fearing or resisting technology is there? just because it seems japans really dont mind.. if it works, it works
>>135129459
技術革新反対主義者 is the closest I think
>>135129459
時代遅れ
>>135129459
Weeb alert.
何かせずにはいらない
This means "can't help but do something" right?
>>135129459
Using horses as transportation still works too, we just found things infinitely better you stupid faggot
This is why the japs were always doomed
>>135129566
Right.
>>135129591
Keep your sperg under control please. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Tip, describing and defending are not the same thing.
Coming to /djt/ past looking at the pastebin is probably more detrimental than WaniKani (lifetime membership currently 33% off)
>>135129656
Just like everything else in life, you should just lay back and not take it too seriously. If you do, you're gonna have a bad time.
>>135129491
thats a mouthful but ill take it
fuckheads around here still wont touch the microwave cause muh cancer, its non-ionizing you tards
>>135129699
Microwaves are useless unless you're a drooling moron anyway. They even suck for heating water.
>>135129656
Bullshit, I would have given up a long time ago were it not for DJT.
>>135129776
and you would have been better off. How much have you honestly learned past kana?
>>135129822
I'm reading Grisaia mostly unassisted right now. I could no doubt read Muramasa without any hassle if I bothered trying. I also watch almost all my anime without subs.
>>135129822
When you're an adult, you gain the ability to pay attention to more than one thing at a time.
Did you guys learned radicals first before kanji?
>Learning Japanese instead of working two jobs to support your wife and her kids.
>>135129932
>your wife and her kids
>>135129932
>implying I pay child support
>>135129932
Sound pretty nice if you ask me.
>>135129912
No.
What j-j dictionary is the best?
>>135129912
Yes it makes it a lot easier
Refer to kanji damage
hey guys let's talk about the sage feature!
>>135131003
Go and study fag
>>135125139
There is that great community spirit which makes DJT a valid general.
>>135131242
Someone call the waaaaaaambulance
>>135129932
Dodged a bullet there.
>>135131476
>I enjoy wallowing in shit and there is nothing you can do to stop me.
Well okay then, have fun with that.
>>135131614
>waaaah waaaah why wont anyone do things for meeee waaaah wipe my asssssss
>>135131804
>Implying this faggot is me
>>135129656
The Anki Startup pastebin?
>>135129656
>(lifetime membership currently 33% off)
>>135132019
CRAMPって誰が作画してるのかいまいち覚えきれない
大川が書いてるのはすぐわかるけど
他がよくわかんない。
>>135131804
djt collectively shat itself with tears of rage when the CoR was taken down and during the ownership transition stage.
>>135132019
Sakura is a timeless fap.
>>135130879
I like 大辞林. Whether it's best or not though I don't know. I do sometimes prefer definitions given by other dictionaries, but I think it gives good ones often. Try comparing some definitions between dictionaries to see which you might prefer.
>>135132197
>>Sakura is a timeless fap.
>>135132200
Thanks
Would you prefer it if Japanese was more like Chinese, all Kanji, or would you prefer it just used kana, an alphabet, like the Koreans have.
>>135132797
I think having both is perfect, it's just the reading system for kanji desperately needs to be revised
>>135132797
All kana and an alphabet are both valid choices. All kanji is the lowest form of shit you could possibly have.
>>135132797
Replace kanji with something that is actually logical and remove all the useless duplicates like 見観
>>135130879
I like goo a lot because of its 類語 feature. I've lost count of how many times it helped me understand how two similar words differ.
>>135132797
I like it the way it is, but if I had to chose I think I'd prefer only kanji.
>>135132797
I think the current state of japanese is fine but teaching a standardised "simplified" form of kanji in school would be a good idea since some of the kanji are ridiculously hard to write.
The rest should remain the same to keep kuso gaijins and weabs out.
>>135133193
It blows my mind how china deals with having that system, like how they have to use the readings of characters to represent shit like sound effects, loan words or foreign names, must be a nightmare
>>135133225
Kanji is already a simplified system (shinjitai).
>>135133353
Conventions are easy to establish. It's really no different from ateji. Even Japanese like to use 嗚呼 all the time.
>>135133370
I don't know what that is but it's not simplified enough. I know of the simplified forms for certain kanji nips use though but as far as I know they're not standardised anywhere.
>>135133101
Man this shit's great, I was really getting sick of how vague Jishos descriptions were getting
>>135133407
There's not many kanji used in Japan which would benefit much from a simplification. Maybe 5% of jouyou. China's simplification are retarded for the most part, they make the kanji look like shit.
>>135133193
How're you going to make conjugated words work with that system?
>>135133407
Remember china teaches like 3k characters while japan only teaches 2k. And japan's 2k are simpler because they go out of their way not to include complex characters used for things that are phonetically very simple (like 嘘)
>>135133225
>since some of the kanji are ridiculously hard to write
It is when you learn using retarded systems instead of a radical or 部首 based approach. Traditional Chinese characters are far more complex for the most part than Japanese and even that isn't really hard to write.
That shitty word you were trying to use is "weeb", not "weab", newfag.
>>135133491
Just reserve some kanji for that. You're going to need some specific kanji for particles anyway.
>>135133607
>And japan's 2k are simpler
There are a lot of characters used in mainland China which are far more simplified than the characters used in Japan. You're confusing China with Taiwan.
>>135133491
The same way they did in Japan before kana was invented?
>>135133769
How did they?
>>135133353
>how they have to use the readings of characters to represent shit like sound effects
They all have the 口 radical to denote that.
>loan words or foreign names
They just string a bunch of words together to sound like the name. Yes along with the phonetic pronunciation so it sounds pretty retarded.
奥巴马
ao-ba-ma
Obama
So you'd be fucked if you didn't know a few of the words constituting that name.
>>135133633
>Traditional Chinese characters are far more complex for the most part than Japanese and even that isn't really hard to write.
I'm talking about students in exam conditions. Experiencing writer's block or forgetting how to write a kanji or just writing it itself would waste lots of time especially in higher education where the point is not to test the student's kanji-writing ability. I don't know if they're allowed to just use the hiragana if they forget though, that would be fine then.
>>135133725
Sorry, graphical form isn't what I meant.
>>135133769
They used to write their stuff in Chinese, though.
>>135133831
They used some kanji for their sound only. Those kanji were later simplified to become the kana
When you're doing listening practice, say your watching an episode of some anime raw, are you supposed to pause it and look up the words you don't know every time? I find it really frustrating having to constantly pause and rewind shit
is DoJG anki deck bugged? When there is new item it works fine, but when I try to review it keeps showing me the answers. Pic related.
>>135135072
That's because the person who maintains the deck is a piece of shit that doesn't understand how flash cards work and refuses to change the default formatting no matter how many times how many people tell them it's wrong.
You might just want to disable that card type and only use the productio none.
>>135135050
Nah I don't do listening practice
The most I do is look up lyrics while listening to music when I'm bored
>The Yomiuri Shinbun runs a standardized test, open to all college students. Many Japanese firms hire young grads this way. My friends thought that the idea of a white guy trying to pass a Japanese journalist’s exam was so impossibly quixotic that I wanted to prove them wrong. I spent an entire year eating instant ramen and studying. I managed to find the time to do it by quitting my job as an English teacher and working as a Swedish-massage therapist for three overworked Japanese women two days a week. It turned out to be a slightly sleazy gig, but it paid the bills.
>>135135133
Is there good alternative? Different grammar deck? I like how it has example sentences and stuff.
>>135135216
>I wasted a year of my life to show off to my friends, please praise me now
>>135135273
Actually he became a prominent journalist.
http://www.amazon.com/Tokyo-Vice-American-Reporter-Police/dp/0307475298
>>135135240
Just edit the format.
>>135135240
Someone uploaded an alternate layout of the DoJG deck this weekend. I haven't checked it out.
It's in the OP link
>>135135211
As much as I'd love to avoid the pain of learning how to listen to Japanese, it is something I'd like to be able to do at some point
>>135135452
the latest version I see is from 12-18 and I'm using that one.
>>135120522
春風のエトランゼ
>>135135211
>I don't do listening practice
>>135135839
What method of listening practice do you recommend?
>>135135336
How do you do that? I'm kind of noob in this, just started.
>>135136017
You press buttons until you find it. Or you read the manual.
>>135136003
Watch anime
>>135136003
I watch anime, live action Japanese shows or news, or take listening practice tests on Kikitori
>>135136003
podcasts or seiyuu radio shows
Why would somebody consciously make the choice of using 嘗 instead of 舐?
>>135136130
>seiyuu radio shows
Those are so shit.
https://vimeo.com/148346999
https://vimeo.com/148597671
>tfw slowly realizing this isn't a joke
>>135136547
I like lolita fashion because the dresses look cool, but they always wear stupid hats and accessories.
Sorry to intrude, but you guys seem like you would know the answer to this.
I'm drawing a vader pic, and I wanted to draw out kanji SFX for his breathing sounds. Is that translatable?
So the new DJT guide has finally been started on.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H8lw5gnep7B_uZAbHLfZPWxJlzpykP5H901y6xEYVsk/edit?usp=sharing
You will find some goals I outlined at the top of the guide, let me know if there's anything you think should be added or changed to these. Hopefully the guide will be able to answer to all of these once it's complete.
Please feel free to leave comments as it develops, any feedback is highly appreciated.
Also, happy holidays.
>>135136698
use katakana instead
>>135136698
"ゴゴゴ"
>やり逃げ
>wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am
>fuck and chuck
I told some of my friends that I'm learning Japanese and they're first reaction is, "Ew, what a weaboo" I'm not even that into anime. (Ok, well, a little) They just can't seem to get it through they're thick skulls that some people just like the language. Any one have any similar experiences? Any tips on getting back at them?
>>135136907
>no pump and dump
>>135136909
Fuck off.
>>135136909
>Any tips on getting back at them?
Kill yourself
>>135136720
>>135136884
Thanks guys. I'm not even sure what I came up with was japanese desu
>>135136909
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/3xx1sl/not_sounding_like_a_weaboo/
>>135136704
Thank you guide-san
>>135136909
Why are you even here.
>>135136909
Eh, just slap them if they give you shit.
>>135137061
Oh wow
>>135137131
you fuck off too.
Whenever vns try really hard to have natural dialogue it just feels weird somehow. Maybe I'm too used to stiff bad writing from all the moege I've read
>>135137175
Yeah, keep talking, son. I'd fuck you up in a fight.
>>135137061
Dude...
>>135137018
>hehekekeke
yeah that's breathing alright
>>135136884
がろせんげん
>>135137195
I've always wanted to read this one. Is it good?
>>135137018
Google ダース ベイダー 音響 and look at the image results
Word of the day: 自給自足
この言葉を聞いて溜息つきたくなる方は、日本語のことより自立の問題に集中したほうがいいんじゃないかと
>>135137434
I'm not even 100 lines in yet so I couldn't tell you.
So far the OST is complimenting, the MC has voice acting, and overall is looking pretty good.
>>135136698
ハーハー
If you write it vertical the lines after ハ are also vertical
>>135137570
It's シューコォー according to google images, does sound a lot more like it
>>135137650
I personally hear it as ホォーパァー.
>>135136909
Become attractive. People only call you a weeb because you look like one.
>>135137696
Yeah that's closer to be fair
>>135137650
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0if9g5yJkUd
Just like Vader, eh?
>>135137727
Stop responding to bait retard.
>>135137750
Yeah, if vadar was a low quality female japanese robot
>>135121172
Not sure who CoR-kun 2 is supposed to be, but the maintainer of the second site isn't Australian.
>>135137071
どうも、アノンくん
>>135137696
>>135137738
I'm going with this then?
>>135138462
Yeah looks good, sweet drawing too
Maybe have the ホォー on the right and the パァー on the left since it's jap
>>135138462
You missed a stoke on the ォ.
What's a good beginner VN FUCK
>>135138540
hanahira
>>135138536
>>135138539
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll do that. Also, I did the right thing by making the lines vertical right?
>>135138540
any nukige
>>135138455
add a character scenario game in the middle
>>135138632
Yah
>>135138455
Where's the first picture from?
>>135138455
Why is it hell?
It's just a case of learning new vocab. And, if you've reached the 'intermediate stage' then picking up and reading new vocab should be fairly easy.
>>135138540
Hanahira and Flyable Heart are widely regarded as baby's first VN in Japanese, but you should really just look for something you think you'll enjoy and that's not overly difficult, e.g. wordy sci-fi, Dies Irae, etc...
Evenicle, which came out this year, seems to be pretty well liked in the /vg/ thread (though I've lurked it no more than a handful of times in my life). After I saw some anons talking about it here too and I decided to give it a spin. It's been pretty enjoyable so far, and the difficulty level is not too high, although higher than something like Hanahira. There's also a strong JRPG element to it, so your brain gets short breaks from having to be reading all of the time nonstop, which can be a relief for a beginner.
>>135138540
Eustia.
>>135138816
>something you think you'll enjoy and that's not overly difficult, e.g. wordy sci-fi, Dies Irae, etc...
I just realized how wrong that came out. the "e.g." is meant to exemplify overly difficult things, not things you should read.
>>135138632
Post it here when you're done. It's the least you can do.
>>135138644
I don't actually have any low-res character games, they're all widescreen.
>>135138671
https://vndb.org/v10357
>>135138804
Have to tab out to Jisho a lot.
>>135138947
I will, it might take around a week. It's actually pretty huge, I just downsized it here. Thanks again guys
>>135138971
>大図書館の羊飼い
How hard is it?
>>135139117
Deciphering the text - Basically easy, like an other moege
Understanding the text fast and "deeply" enough to appreciate the humour - Kind of hard.
Not necessarily a VN I'd recommend to someone who's looking up a word every line.
>watch namasensei
>look up on taekim once done with the video
>finish all of namasensei videos
>no motivation to continue
i guess i can't learn japanese
>>135139359
Worse men than you have succeeded.
>>135139359
It's okay anon it never gets any better than the namasensei stage anyway
>>135138455
>攻撃開始予想時刻
It's like I'm really reading German.
>>135139417
This is supposed to mean something like "The hour for the forecast/prediction of the beginning of the invasion" right?"
How 中２ are you?
>>135139490
>The hour for the forecast/prediction of the beginning of the invasion" right?"
The predicted hour for the beginning of the attack. It's the hour that the attack is predicted to happen, not the hour you plan on making a prediction of the attack on.
>>135139544
厨二 エズ ファック
>>135139417
Angriffsbeginnsannahmestunde
>>135139544
When I'm alone I break into dialogues with myself as if I a dying anime character and my other role is that of a supportive character hearing my last words.
Since I can only actively remember cool words it works out better than expected.
>>135139563
I see, I was reading it as if they were trying to guess when the enemy would make their move, but yours makes more sense.
>tfw have to stop reading to do anki
>>135140054
I always do anki as early as possible so that I don't have to deal with its bullshit for the rest of the day
初陣
Having trouble understanding the paragraph「しかし勘違いしてはいけない。我々だって犯罪を憎み、理不尽な相手と戦っている。むしろ手を汚さずにきれいごとを並べているだけの君と、実際に血の雨の降りる戦場に立つ我々、どちらが真に戦っていると云えるのかね」
The two characters are talking about who's right in what they're doing, above an old detective who's involved in a murder game, of sorts, is trying to say he's doing the right thing.
What I have trouble understanding is 「むしろ手を汚さずにきれいごとを並べているだけの君と、実際に血の雨の降りる戦場に立つ我々、どちらが真に戦っていると云えるのかね」 is きれいごと meaning because she pretends to be an average clean handed detective she has no place in fighting a figuratively bloody battlefield? And that he is the one who should fight head on?
>>135140142
WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE
>>135139544
I sometimes listen to anime ost and imagine myself having powers and being an edgy hero.
>see this in mining deck
Where the fuck did I pick this up, I wonder
https://youtu.be/3Oh5-cdRQBU?t=4
Is she saying すごく? Sounds weird.
>>135140519
You mean せっかく?
I remember that it meant something similar to わざわざ, that is to say "to take great pain in doing"
So she would be saying "She took the pain of requesting it"
>>135140425
>Dat blurry ass font
>>135140287
According to http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1437949469 , きれいごと means something along the lines of "good in theory". In any case, he's saying that what she's doing is ineffective in comparison to their, probably unorthodox, methods.
>mfw shomin sample OP
Flipped it 180 degrees
>>135140707
Thank you, that helps a ton.
I hate it, yet love it at the same time when a character has a refined way of speaking.
>>135140980
>he only noticed it now
>>135140980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6BnjbVHQHA
>>135141229
Do people actually like his shit?
>>135141278
Japanese broadcasting is a cesspool, there's nothing there worth remembering.
>>135141227
I just started watching the first episode so couldn't really notice it earlier
一つ聞こう
ただの人間が、我らに勝てるか?
そうだ、勝てない。
もう一つ聞こう、強者はどうあるべきだ?
そうだ。人の守り手たるは我ら。
万難を排し、人を守って戦うは我ら。
誰の許可も要らぬ。我らが決めた。
世界は、我らの好き勝手により守られよう
それが世界の選択だ。
