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>>135017784
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Your job now is to work hard and learn all you can.
Word of the day: 社畜
Compelling content
Do your reps. It'll take like an hour, tops. Even if you are too tired out to learn anything new today, do your reps. Always do your reps.
>>135068322
I don't want to.
>>135068243
I like words that make total sense. Nice simple readings, and it means exactly what you'd think.
>>135068285
source
How do I remove furigana from core deck?
I'm finally going to do it. I'm going to order something from Japan. First I need to figure out how I should spell my name in katakana.
Hopefully I don't get a fraud alert on my credit card again. That is what happened the last time I tried to order something from Japan. I hate talking on the phone, so it is an awful experience.
>>135068752
Remove the part that says "furigana:" in your card layout.
>>135068784
onahole?
>>135068784
Where are you ordering from? I've never had a problem but I've only used retailers that support international sales like amazon, amiami and hobysearch.
>>135068896
Nier Piano Score
>>135069007
First time was from CDJapan. Got the fraud alert so it didn't go through. I talked to the credit card company, and got it sorted out. Told CDJapan to try again. Got rejected again. Gave up.
This time I'm going to try Amazon.
>>135068784
>First I need to figure out how I should spell my name in katakana.
Why? Japs are taught romaji in school, so they should be able to read your name just fine.
>>135069349
I got the same problem a while back when I ordered my first kimono.
>>135069419
>ordering a kimono
>>135069419
ケン様 pls 帰れ and stay 帰れ
>>135068612
人非人
>reckless abandon to the activity
How is /djt/s Japanese typing speed?
http://10fastfingers.com/typing-test/japanese
Just try and beat me scrubs
Am I supposed to be taking in all these words just from reading?
I feel like I'd benefit much more from spending more time using anki instead because my vocabulary is so limited.
>>135070334
Oh boy.
>>135070457
In the beginning, reading is more an exercise of grammar than an exercise of vocabulary. Either way, yes, you're supposed to pick up words and context while reading.
>>135070457
Stick those words into your mining deck.
>>135069710
>>135069589
Watashi am almost finished with ore no benkyou and I'll be visiting Nihon to show off my skills. Don't complain to me when you walk into Nihon and get laughed at for not dressing properly.
>>135070457
Why not both
Just add the words you don't know that you come across when reading to an anki deck and then do them, you'll remember them easier as well because you'll remember seeing them in the context of whatever you're reading
Does the hazy feeling towards a lot of grammar (even after reading the DoJG entries for said grammar) just go away over time by reading more? Or do I need to do more focused study on the grammar points I still get confused by?
>>135070780
How exactly do you plan on focusing on certain grammar points without reading more?
>>135070780
Just from reading.
>>135070780
Reading more is always the best way to improve, even if it seems like it's more of a struggle than it should be
Just read as much as you can at at least a somewhat challenging level and get in the habit of googling any grammar you come across that you can't work out
>reach 2nd h scene of this route
>don't feel like masturbating
I'm sorry, cute anime girl, I just want to learn Japanese right now.
>>135070780
Just watch more anime and it will fix you right up
>>135071348
Seems legit
>>135071348
>231 words per minute
>4 words per second
doubt
>>135071348
あなたがロボットですか？
>>135071348
>4 words per second
>not a single 変換ミス
Nah.
i get most of my new vocab from anime
it's a great source if you have good listening skills
>>135071468
Any native material is a great source of vocab, nerd
>>135071509
not any native material is entertaining
>>135071468
My listening skills are atrocious, I hate trying to listen to anime because having to pause an episode to look up words is frustrating as fuck
>>135071576
So what? It's still kind of silly to say something as obvious as "anime is a good source of vocab". Durr, it's native Japanese, just like anything else.
Can someone explain to me why this is "chokkan", rather than "cyokkan", "chyokkan" or "chiyokkan"?
I'm shit at this and just started to try and learn yesterday. Thank in advance.
![Gendai_Manga_Ronshuu_Collection_of_Discourses_on_Modern_Manga_p000 [1969][Seirindo][9784284401722].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tKxBqzl.jpg "Gendai Manga Ronshuu Collection of Discourses on Modern Manga p000 [1969][Seirindo][9784284401722]")
Oh, I guess this is ready to be added to the cornucopia, if it isn't already there. If anyone wants a wall of text to read on some Garo authors, that is.
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/iqyc6lwo11d2d
Chaptered PDF, Leveled PNGs (amateur job), original scans (JPG), original scans (tif with level layers; you can adjust it yourself if some kanji is unrecognizable), and Leveled PNGs Inverted (for those who prefer white text on a black background).
Authors:
Ishiko Junzou / 石子順造
Kaiji Jun / 梶井純
Kikuchi Asajirou / 菊地浅次郎
Gondou Susumu / 権藤晋
Artists discussed:
Tezuka Osamu / 手塚治虫
Shirato Sanpei / 白土三平
Ishinomori Shotaro (Ishimori Shotaro) / 石ノ森章太郎
Mizuki Shigeru / 水木 しげる
Tsuge Yoshiharu / つげ義春
Saito Takao / さいとうたかを
Nagashima Shinji / 永島慎二
HIRATA Hiroshi / 平田弘史
TAKITA Yuu / 滝田ゆう
Tanaka Teruo 棚下照生 (たなか てるお)
HAYASHI Seiichi / 林静一
Tsuge Tadao / つげ忠男
Sasaki Maki / 佐々木マキ
and then some essays:
Discussion on the state of affairs, Kid’s Manga The Collapse and Transformation of Idealism
Gekiga The Hell of Post War Democracy
Nonsense Manga, Why did Manga move towards nonsense
Ero-guro manga, the desires that lurk in savagery
Extra: history of post war manga by year
>>135072120
Because there's two versions of よ、 one big and one small one: よ、ょ
The small one modifies the preceding character.
As for exactly how to write the resulting modification in romaji, that's up for debate. The official Japanese system would write it as tyokkan.
But to us westerners, cho looks closest to the pronounciation, think "chotto matte" or ちょっとまって.
At the end of the day it's just a matter of convention though.
>>135072832
Pah
DAMN IT djt.
i'm in intermediate hell.
j-cat says i'm n2 level.
百戦錬磨の兵 in /djt/ spergwars. collected millions of autismbux in spoils.
grinded so long and so hard.
i've studied the shit out of this language.
I've come so far. The winter break is here. I have all day.
Why is it so hard to get started every day?
>>135072906
>百戦錬磨の兵
Someone has been listening to 千本桜
>>135072906
Maybe because you're lacking compelling content? I started playing Evenicle the other day and I literally opened the game minutes after I woke up and read/played it for hours. There are tons of things I want to read and watch in Japanese, such that it's not hard to get started at all, I myself rush towards it with glee. All I can say is, try and find content compelling to you.
>>135072290
>As for exactly how to write the resulting modification in romaji, that's up for debate.
>But to us westerners, cho looks closest to the pronounciation
Oh, so it's just how it's pronounced? The c+yo in pic related isn't supposed to sound like "cyo" or something else, but like "cho" for whatever reason and therefore it's written that way?
>>135073058
>pic related
>>135072290
>But to us westerners
Westerners don't all speak English faggot, in many western languages "cho" doesn't exist at all.
>>135073118
It's never 'cyo'. That's just a misleading chart.
>>135073016
I wanted to know what this game was about, so I google it and the first result is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7WPGH7QAEA
Christ, which one of you fags is this?
>>135073219
Sorry, meant countries that actually matter.
>>135073016
I have content which would be compelling if it was not so arduous to read
>>135073344
China? That's the only one I can think of, it's western only if you compare it to Japan.
>>135073344
Stop replying on behalf of me you idiot.
>>135073219
I think it's safe to assume that 90%+ of the people reading my post are going to be from western society, and an English speaker. If you wanna start shit go to /int/ or something.
>>135073252
I always wonder, can these people read Japanese? I expect them to because they're playing these Japanese games, but at the same time they always seem to skip unspoken lines and never "read" the lines so who knows? I'll skip ahead and see if I can get any clues.
Evenicle is a 2015 JRPG by Alice Soft, known for the Rance games. It's really solid, has nice graphics, good character interactions, etc etc. I'm enjoying it a ton.
>>135073370
If you're an intermediate nothing should be arduous for you, unless you're solely compelled to read the original Tale of Genji text.
>>135073252
What kind of accent is that?
>>135073533
He seems to get the gist of it but he's skipping a lot yeah, no idea though. Maybe he's chinese and guessing based off the kanji too? On youtube his country is set to Malaysia so it's not too much of a stretch.
>>135073683
Autism.
>>135073687
A machine translator may be off frame.
I don't want to be CSI EOP or anything but it really is something that interests me, since I see a lot of these videos but never get a definitive answer.
>>135073683
Some yank homo thing.
>>135073802
Could be people who can understand spoken Japanese to a point. Closed the video after 3 seconds so just guessing
>>135073802
At 7:33 he says "I'm using it on my translator, I just read it and read out rephrasing it"
>>135073861
Wow, thank you for suffering through that nonsense for the sake of knowledge.
>>135073861
You are one thorough motherfucker.
So is this Evenicle game good? Anyone played it?
>>135073926
Like I said, I'm playing it, it's pretty good both from an VN standpoint (great art, funny dialogue, enjoyable setting/story) and from an eroge standpoint (the JRPG gameplay is standard but entertaining, the graphics are nice and 3D, the ero itself is really hot and above average). I'd reccomend it to any fan of Eroge. It's definitely a good game, as expected of Alice Soft.
It's also overall pretty easy in terms of text, not a whole lot of infodumping or anything, so even as a beginner it would be a good way to study.
>>135073533
Tell me about your study methods, do you use anki? Did you spend time grinding kanji first? etc.
I want to hear more about you, compelling-kun
>>135074087
Yes, I use anki, pretty slowly though in comparison to most people, just 10 new cards a day, focused mainly on words with unknown or tricky kanji. I upped it to 20 recently because the amount of tricky/unknown kanji has substantially decreased as of late.
I did not spend time grinding kanji first but I wonder if that was a good idea or not. Anki became 100x easier and fast once I got kanji down, but that took over a year (due to my slow pace). I wonder if grinding out kanji first would have made this whole process shorter and more enjoyable, or if I would have just spent a year in RTK instead of Core/Mining deck. I couldn't tell you if it was worth it.
>>135074056
I assume chiitrans doesn't work with it?
>>135074056
Guess I'll give it a try sometime next year after I'm done with the current VN I'm reading and all the anime ending this season
I just hope the game part is good since it will probably be the part keeping me interested
>>135074283
I wouldn't know, I'm not using one on this game.
I just tried hooking to the scene I'm on and it worked, not sure what'll happen during battles though.
>>135074310
I think it's fun, but then again I haven't played a JRPG in a long while.
>>135074410
わたくしも
>>135074410
わがはいも
>>135074387
If it works with the dialogues it should be enough, I just can't be fucked of searching all kanji and words I don't know by radicals or worse drawing them on google
>Learning Japanese
>Also have to learn French and Latin for college
>...in addition to work for my major
>>135074525
>learning 3 languages at once
M8 you've already lost
>>135074056
Is that a GIANT ENEMY CRAB?
>>135074056
>男M
ワロス
>>135074525
>>Also have to learn French and Latin for college
That's the sign of you studying for something useless.
>>135074571
Yes, he seems to be an optional boss, I loaded a save to fight him for the screenshot and promptly got destroyed.
>>135074551
自分をおおおおお
I want to circlejerk with weeaboos and impress them with my amazing Japanese skills by posting screenshots of shitty VNs in Japanese, creating a circle of admirers, where should I go for this?
It can't be too big of a place like MAL
>>135074807
They key isn't to post in Japanese, it's just to post a lot in general. If you post a lot in a forum people who go to the forum will start to recognize you, simple as that. Godspeed.
>>135074807
Make a name for yourself by translating things
How do you express the rate or chance of something occuring? None of the words I know are appropriate, like チャンス、きっかけ...
>>135074807
You literally described /jp/
>>135075049
確率 or something I guess
>>135075000
Quiz: Name the people who translated the following games:
G-Senjou no Maou
Ever17
Sharin no Kuni
Yume Miru Kurusi
Umineko
Hoshizora no Memoria
Utawarerumono
Kara no Shoujo
Ace Attorney
Swan Song
Steins;Gate
Captive Market
Kangoku Senkan / Taimanin Asagi
Eden
Kana ~Imouto~
Tears to Tiara
A Profile
School Days
Sagara Fanuky
Eoge H mo Game
Canvas 2
Air
Ayakabito
Wind ~A Breath of Heart~
Princess Evangile
Starless
Katahane
Yosuga no Sora
>>135075090
That's not quite what I'm looking for, I found expression which come close enough though: 可能性が低い / 高い
>>135074185
so how long have you been studying?
i might try this 10 word a day thing. if it leads to more consistent study, it's worth it.
>>135075088
Are tripfags still cool?
>>135075192
Google translate. Then it was edited by some random faggot
>>135075192
All me. Feel free to thank me.
>>135075258
640~ days, so just over 1.75 years.
I should note that I was also reading for over an hour a day every day, and every about 50% of all my cards had a new kanji in it, so despite only doing 10 cards I was still studying hard, just not necessarily for very long in anki. Consistent daily study is extremely important, better to study 10 words a day than study 30 words one day and skip the next two.
>>135075331
>>135075342
>>135075359
May these resounding failures serve as a reminder that no matter how popular and famous your chosen game is, nobody will remember you as the translator. Translation is a selfless, thankless effort, a raw, one-sided transaction of your own time and life for the benefit of other people. Do not go into translation with ideas of fame or glory. You will just end up with less free time.
>>135075420
Sometimes I recognize names of translators on exhentai. like that one mysterymeat
or cgrascal
>>135075470
CGrascal is a group name with many employed translators.
>>135075509
Really? And they are all equally retarded? Can't be.
>>135075420
I did a small amount of translation work for part of a VN, there is a certain amount of pleasure in knowing other people are reading what you wrote. I'd recommend it for failed writers who always dreamed of having the world read and love their stories, but could never get published or popular since you're not actually any good, as a last-ditch attempt for having words you wrote get read by others. You can even change the story slightly to your liking, since those dumb EOPs can't tell the difference anyway.
>>135075420
Not if you translate animu for a memesub.
>>135075551
Fair point, I was just responding to >>135075000
You definitely won't make a name for yourself by translating, long-term anyway.
>>135073016
The protagonist looks like a HUGE little faggot, is he a sub at least?
Seeing him dominant would probably just make me laugh
>>135075684
Wow, this is a no bully zone.
Anyone wanna correct my translation? I know you guys love berating people and being contrarian so:
http://rocketnews24.com/2013/01/18/284549/
Its something males would rather not know but, many women notice that their conversation partner glimpses at their breasts. The intention is to converse eye to eye however, unconsciously a glimpse... There's no ill intention. However, they notice. A frightful thing it is.
From that we introduce this time's subject, uploaded on a foreign sight, "if you look closely, something unbelievable has been photographed". First I would like you to look at the topic photograph.
At first what do you see? I know what you see. The pink clothed woman's breasts. As if to burst, a dynamite bust. In truth if you look closely, the one in the white also is quite a thing. A busty combination. A unbelievable 2 persons.
However, in truth the "unbelievable" isn't the womans' breasts. What was photographed, i want you to acertain. Discarding your impure thoughts, i want you to calmly acertain. If you always look at the breasts, you will miss important things. On top of that, you will even lose your sense.
>奇遇ですね 今帰りですか？
>うん、面接帰り。あなたも？
>今日は偶然ゼミが長引いてちゃって
This is a conversation between two characters who bump into each other on their way home. Why is the last sentence not in past tense? The seminar happened already, it ran long but it's over now and she's on her way home. So why ちゃって instead of ちゃった?
>>135075832
Stating the facts is not bullying.
>>135075982
It's the first half of a sentence
>>135075991
It is when the facts hurt my feelings.
>>135076049
Oh, she just cuts off without using the rest, huh? Seems odd, but I probably do similar things in English without realizing it.
>>135075897
Your translation doesn't flow well in english at all. Perhaps you should read a book (in english)?
>>135075192
>Sharin no Kuni
The n00b avenger
>Umineko
Witch Hunt guys
>Eden
NNL guys
>Swan Song
Takajun
>Steins;Gate
BlickWinkel
>Ace Attorney
Alexander O. Smith
>School Days
SP guys
>Air
Sheena
>Wind ~A Breath of Heart~
NNL guys
I can't remember the other guys without looking them up though.
>>135076115
I mean it's kind of like
>Why are you here?
>Because I wanted to see you
vs
>Why are you here?
>I am here because I wanted to see you
>seeing 土 after 4000 other words in core 6k
what's up with these priorities?
>出るとこ出てねえのもつまんねえしな？
>出るとこ出てねえ
I cannot for the life of me figure out what this means. Help.
>>135076120
Its intentionally crude, its balancing the literal with readability.
The intention of having the translation tilted towards the literal being that japanese grammatical structures are captured.
>>135076228
>literal translation
Into the trash it goes
>>135075192
you have to actually post about translating things though. And that was in response to getting people to adore you on an internet forum, not acheive long lasting praise and worship.
>>135076175
Ah okay, I got it. Thanks.
>>135076211
It didn't do the thing even at the places where it should have done the thing.
>>135075897
Way too direct of a translation, but maybe that was on purpose.
Something that men would rather not know, is that many women notice when the guy they are talking to sneaks a peek at their breasts. Even if you intend to look her in the eyes when you talk to her, you sometimes accidentally glance at her chest. Even if you don't mean any harm, they can still notice you doing it. Isn't that terrifying?
こんな風に訳すといいじゃない？
>>135076356
I apologize. Maybe I am mistaken to go the literal route.
Next time I will refine the translation.
>>135076416
Well there's a point to make for literal translations in the context of learning and explaining grammar points and so on. I don't know which is more useful to you, it seems like you understood everything though.
>>135076294
Hmm, I kind of get it but I can't make sense of it within its context.
>>135076682
>XるとこXてない
Xるとこ - a place where the thing would have been done if everything was as expected. Xてない - turns out the thing is not done at that place for some reason.
>>135076682
出るところ（に） <- the place where it should have happened/appeared/whatever
出てないのも <- and not happening/appearing (at the aforementioned time/place)
つまらないし、な <- is boring/lame and stuff
>年月
>年月
literally the same thing.
>側
>例
文字通り区別できません
>>135076921
>>135076991
When I think about it I think I do get it. The sentence before was the guy saying that that wasn't the only reason he wanted her to get fatter. And then 出るとこ出てねえのもつまんねえしな？
I'm guessing he means it'd be boring if it didn't go to her chest or something. Thanks for your help.
>戸
>声
literally unrecognizable
>>135076228
That's fucking retarded. You're the kind of faggot that keeps honorifics in English and would call Guts "Gattsu". Fuck off.
>私はシナン、シナーーーーズ！
>I will not die, nor will my dream
What? How the fuck does this actually translate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esY2zdIsKaI
>>135077399
>Gattsu
O I am laffin
>>135076228
>japanese grammatical structures are captured.
don't do this please, most of them are like polar opposites to english structures.
>>135077572
Wait. Is it
>私は死なん・・・死なーーんぞ！
As in, "I will not die! I Absolutely will not die!"
>>135077645
死なない
Yeah, looks like the dream thing was just something he made up for some reasons
>>135077712
Yeah so that was it.
I see some guys shorten the ない in negative verbs to just ん sometimes, so that was what was happening here. That and some weird pronunciation lol
>>135076228
No, it's unreadable crap. Japanese grammatical structures are not English grammatical structures. Go read a Japanese novel translated by Jay Rubin or Alfred Birnbaum and see how it ought to be done.
>>135077399
There's absolutely nothing wrong with keeping the honorifics in.
>>135075897
>よく見ると実はトンデモないモノが写っている画像
Can somebody break this sentence down for me?
The 「見ると・・・」and 「写っている画像」 parts are confusing me.
I got the gist being something like
>A picture that's often seen, but not actually ridiculous
or something like that
>>135077376
>wanted her to get fatter
Then 出るとこ was about things that were supposed to be "protruding"/"going outwards", like tits and ass.
>>135078237
>よく見ると
If you look closely
>写っている画像
>Pictures that have been taken.
>>135073118
The following are normally pronounced as chV:
ちゃ
ち
ちゅ
ちぇ
ちょ
The following are normally pronounced as shV:
しゃ
し
しゅ
しぇ
しょ
Everything else is a glide CjV.
>>135078437
What's your problem?
>>135078437
That's easy. Try unique counters for things like bottles or books.
>>135078185
Except there is.
>>135078185
Point and laugh
>>135078589
English already butchers a large part of character individuality by only using "I". Removing honorifics is even more stupid.
RRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE JUST PUT JAPANESE INSIDE MY HEAD WHY IS THIS SO HARD
>>135078589
>>135078645
Depends on who you are translating for. If it's for weebs keeping the honorifics in is the right choice
あなたが子供と同じように私に触れる
>see word
>get it wrong, but have kind of a "oh, fucking duh" reaction to getting it wrong
>or perhaps get very close, i.e. you say さ instead of す
>hit "hard" instead of "again"
>comes back around later that month (I wouldn't do this if it was going to send to flying five months into the future or something)
>remember it; hit good
This is actually kind of an effective way to handle cards that you almost get right.
>>135079415
>see word
>get it wrong, but have kind of a "oh, fucking duh" reaction to getting it wrong
>or perhaps get very close, i.e. you say さ instead of す
>hit "again"
>comes back around tomorrow
>remember it; hit easy
>see it a week later, hit easy
>etc etc now it's on a month interval too
Not much time is saved if you already knew it that well. The time sinks in anki are always the young cards and leeches you continually fail as you memorize them.
>>135078680
I'm so glad that I'm a genius and can grasp differences in grammatical rules in a heartbeat.
Vocab grind and reading speed are the only actual issues in Japanese, and both of those are pretty fun.
I should have started years ago.
>>135079415
>the next month you make another mistake on the same card
>you don't remember the mistake of last month, hit hard again
This is what actually happens you stupid faggot
>>>/r/learnjapanese
>>135077013
おなじだけど、語感がちがうよ
>としつき
あったかいかんじ
>ねんげつ
つめたいかんじ
>>135079600
>Warm
wa-words
>Cold
sino-japanese
>>135079600
>JustAnimeDubbed.TV
>AnimeToon.TV
Is this an epic new troll?
>>135079600
why the fuck would two different nouns for months and years feel cold or hot
>>135078680
Yeah, just fuck it off and do something fun instead.
>>135079747
>Warm
Oathbreach
>Cold
Perjury
English has the same thing. It's where the roots in the word come from.
>>135079787
>>Warm
>Oathbreach
>>Cold
>Perjury
u sure
これもよみかたがあるけど
やっぱり語感はちょっとづつ違うとおもうよ
幾年
>いくねん
>いくとし
>いくとせ
>read Wikipedia article on LN author
>understand everything aside from having to look up a few words
Is this what progress feels like?
How much of core2k should I have covered before jumping into tae kim
>>135079908
0
jump into it from the moment you finish kana
Reminder that you're still a beginner until you can understand all of this.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5123978
>>135079923
I RECOGNIZE THIS WAAA
I understand that doing any vocab deck past core 2k6k means that you have 'literal autism ', but how are you supposed to grasp the huge Japanese vocabulary from reading alone? Aren't there like 30-40k words to learn total? I can't see it possible to be able to get to a comfortable speaking vocab from Vns and mangas alone
>>135080513
>wanting to speak
>>135080513
>I can't see it possible to be able to get to a comfortable speaking vocab from Vns and mangas alone
VNs and manga draw from the same pool of vocab as anything else, it's all Japanese. You won't get much political know how from cooking manga, though, gotta choose a variety of reading material.
The idea is you add the words you find while reading into anki, by the way. Think of it like this: if you never see a word, it's clearly not worth learning, because you never see it.
>>135080513
Lol fucking normalfag wanting to speak to people. Are you gonna go talk to sakura under the sakura tree?
>>135079923
What the fuck did I just watch
So can someone explain U and RU verbs? Tae kim is hurting my head.
So if it doesn't end in る its always a う verb, okay, I get that.
But there ARE verbs that end in る that are う verbs?
can someone explain this
like one of his examples is 入る it ends in る however it is a う verb?
can someone explain it to me?
>>135080572
Thanks for the sensible reply anon
>>135080723
I actually forgot there was a difference between る and う verbs.
>>135080723
You literally don't need to know unless you're working on production like a fucking goofball.
By the time you're fluent at reading, you'll know what conjugations sound correct and which ones don't anyway.
>>135080723
Basically there's two patterns:
...u
...ru
And this is important because ru verbs and u verbs conjugate differently. ru verbs drop the full ru when they take on certain forms, but u verbs only drop the u.
There's no rule that verbs ending in ru *must* be ru verbs. It's just the term used for describing them.
You can use "godan" and "ichidan" instead, if you want. That's the system the japs use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_consonant_and_vowel_verbs
>>135080723
>>135080765
>>135080802
Thank you. Also, is there a tool or site I can use that will tell me if what I typed or said is grammatically correct japanese?
just to confirm or troubleshoot myself
>>135080977
>Also, is there a tool or site I can use that will tell me if what I typed or said is grammatically correct japanese?
Yeah, this thread.
>>135080996
As if.
>この子が、病室で自分の病気がよくなるようにって、ずっと鶴を折り続けていたん。
Can って appear in the middle of a sentence like this?
>>135080977
lang8
By the way, if you haven't been studying for more than 2-4 years, there is extremely little chance of you being about to naturally produce correct Japanese. Just read a lot, expose yourself to context, and don't worry so much about mistakes.
>>135081035
Yes. I don't know what it means, though!
>>135080977
I think Google would like to know about that tool if it did exist
>>135081080
it probably exists, it wouldn't be too hard to make i think. grammar rules are very straight forward
>>135081035
The whole middle section is an indirect quote.
>>135081107
Good luck coding something that works when you have to deal with slang, dialects and dropping particles all over the place
>>135081107
It definitely doesn't exist. Natural language processing is far too complicated. Either it throw false positives or it would throw false positives.
Is there any recommended VN with simple japanese, which will help me to learn kanji?
>>135081520
How about you read the guide.
>>135081520
Dies Irae will help you learn all kinds of kanji.
>>135081520
Go go Nippon is considered by far the best introduction point to the Japanese language.
>>135081547
>>135081589
>>135081606
Thank you.
>colleges having their winter break
>/djt/ suddenly full of leddit-tier kiddies who think they can learn Japanese
Two more weeks of this.
>>135067857
Took a minor break from working on the DoJG note converting and fixed up one of the decks that I think were in the CoR, a kanji deck. It had a few mismatches on some of the cards pointed out thanks to an anon in another thread, so I decided to revamp it overall.
The data is based on this spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19zorQpMJi00-b6abuvE5uBAIsMMqWVrbeHD-bIrkggQ/edit?hl=en&pref=2&pli=1#gid=1
It keeps the default frequency order and the Joyo grade has been replaced with Kanken grades. Deck contains cards for 6355 kanji. Includes example jukugo and words for On and Kun readings.
The kanji stroke order font converted images are 300x300px and the font point used was 280pt. Bulk converted with Image Magick command line package, for Android users without root access and difficulties getting the KanjiStrokeOrders font working on Ankidroid.
http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-processing.php
Download link is below.
https://mega.nz/#!jx0TUSyJ!Rohq5IgT3JDRHtBN5e4VLXHzY8i9SniF9EhrlzHbVSI
it makes me feel bad when I think that if I never watched anime or played games for the last 6 months (thats how long I studied), I would be so much better at Japanese.
did anybody ever give up hobbies to study? does it work? I am going to do it unless it is just a stupid unrealistic idea.
>>135081856
>Bulk converted with Image Magick command line package, for Android users without root access and difficulties getting the KanjiStrokeOrders font working on Ankidroid.
Can imagemagick do this with SVGs? KanjiStrokeOrder font still has a couple remaining errant characters among the Joyo kanji, but KanjiVG's SVG data lacks those mistakes: https://github.com/KanjiVG/kanjivg
>これ - this
>だけ - just
>これだけ - so many
OKAY, JAPANESE.
>>135081908
Get a better dictionary.
>So many (few), so much (little)
>>135081705
You're gonna be complaining about NYRs being idiots when January comes. It's not just two weeks, it's gonna be months for you.
>>135081882
Anime is good listening practice.
I stopped playing video games or really doing anything (except shitposting) after starting Japanese.
>>135081705
>Thinking about going back to college to follow my dream since I need a diploma
>Decide to give it my all for once
>I know it'll be hard and require dedication
I'm sorry anon I don't know if my willpower will be able to handle it buy I don't want to be a neet on unemployment bucks forever.
>>135081907
>Can imagemagick do this with SVGs
Pretty sure it can, man. I was going to convert those KanjiVG svg files but they are named as pic related and not sure how to go about using that for bulk convertions.
For example, the conversion command I used was:
convert -font KanjiStrokeOrders -size 300x300 -pointsize 280 -gravity center label:日 日.gif
to produce a 300x300 gif of 日. Doing this I was able to use the deck spreadsheet and bulk add the command wrapped around the kanji column, remove the tabbed spaces in a notepad file and copy/paste directly into the command line. I'll look into svg conversion a little later on and see if there is a way to go about converting those in the same manner. At the moment the only way I know how to convert the images involves knowing the target file name/font character and the desired output name (which for practical sake should be the same).
>>135082081
If you know python/perl you can convert the codepoint hex of the filename to the character for the target filename, and just do it for filenames matching the regex .....\.svg
>>135082106
>If you know python/perl
No go. I'm more or less retarded about most things in life, including snakes and clams. Maybe someone else can work their animal magic for this problem.
>>135082130
I'm a professional snake charmer. If you can succinctly describe, in enumerated steps:
1 - What the data looks like now
2 - What the data should look like when it's processed
3 - Where to get the source data
Then I should be able to do what you need when I get home if nobody else has volunteered.
Thinking of dropping Core (currently at 2300 words) and getting vocab from pure reading/mining. It's such a fucking chore, and ｍost words I'm learning right now are useless to me, stuff like 国鉄, 磨く or 春分, meanwhile I still haven't seen the words for magic, sword or punch. Stuff I'd expect to see in my shounenshit I mostly can't read right now because Anki is sucking the energy out of me.
With that said I'm also afraid I'll drop the ball and not practice everyday without Core forcing me to.
So a few questions: is the Anki grind less mind-numbing with mined words? Are there less total reviews? Is it safe to drop Core when you still learn useful words every now and then? Is it overall a good idea?
Just finished reading 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱
Fuck yeah
>>135083172
Just suspend all the words you don't think you need and continue, what's so hard about that?
>>135082993
Source:
https://github.com/KanjiVG/kanjivg/releases
kanjivg-20150615-2-all.zip
The zip is a collection of svg files. Pic related is the file labelled 0f9b2.svg opened up in LibreOffice Draw, which is an svg file representing the kanji 零.
Ideally it would be labelled 零.svg instead of 0f9b2.svg, then it could be plugged into a simple command line and be converted from 零.svg to a gif or png image of the 零 kanji, using the Image Magick command line tools.
An overview:
0f9b2.svg→零.svg→零.gif
>>135083172
If by "drop" you mean the whole deck, then no, don't do that. Keep reviewing what you've learned, but do stop introducing new words (in fact, just delete them). At the end of the day words are words and you need to know all of them. If one source of words motivates you more you should use it instead.
The only real advantage of core past 2k is that the hard work of anki-fying the vocabulary is already done for you. If you don't mind adding words yourself then absolutely go for it.
>>135083241
Oh my, those numbers are scaled wrong when you render it in Draw. Here's Inkscape.
Because the numbers are done as text labels instead of path data, imagemagick /might/ have trouble with scaling them well enough. Sanity test?
>>135083281
>Because the numbers are done as text labels instead of path data, imagemagick /might/ have trouble with scaling them well enough.
Guessing there isn't an easy way to change this? That is a bit of a shame.
>>135083344
Well, you could replace each number with a path describing the shape of the number, but you'd have to make those paths.
That's just if imagemagick doesn't scale them properly, though.
>>135083366
Oh, okay then. Do you have any idea how to automatically change the file name from something like 0f9b2.svg→零.svg?
I don't see any reason why you want to do this but if you want to use rikaichan while reading VNs
http://a.pomf.cat/cobhhn.mp4
> it's the
> furiganainserter addon
> theres a clipboard monitor function
> so if you activate it on a blank page
> you can do that
贅肉
>>135083435
It should be very easy, it's just a unicode codepoint as hex.
>>135078437
The only hard thing about that is memorizing the first 10 and number 20. After that it's a cakewalk.
I don't understand why this isn't a /jp/ thread other than the fact that it's been tainted slightly by being on /a/ for so long.
>>135083993
>slightly
>>135083993
>by being on /a/ for so long.
That is why it remains. Not all things have a great reason for being.
>>135083993
This thread is for /a/nons who want to learn Japanese. We can't keep crossboarders out so you're welcome but if you don't like the way we do things here feel free to make a thread on your home board, /int/ or one of the post-whatever-you-want boards.
>>135084087
/jp/sies aren't crossies, though; there are more original /a/nons from /a/ associated with with /jp/ than modern /a/utists are with /a/. m00t more or less over the years pushed anons out of /a/ while pandering to newfags who worshipped him as "teh leader of anonymouse 4chan".
>>135084164
>/jp/sies aren't crossies, though; there are more original /a/nons
lolno /jp/ is a containment for crossboarding touhou raiders etc
>>135084164
I was talking about the /v/ and /sp/ people we have here. /jp/ is pretty much /a/ but with 2000% more generals and a little bit of 2hu anyway.
>>135084188
When did you start browsing 4chan, anon?
>>135084214
>I was talking about the /v/ and /sp/ people we have here.
That mindset is delusional. These are boogeymen post 2007 spergs use to deflect blame from shitting up their own nest.
>>135083993
People on /jp/ already know Japanese and besides don't want cross-boarding Subhumans from all over 4chan flooding into their board.
>>135084258
Uh, I didn't even say that they are bad posters or anything. I just indicated that they do use or post in these threads.
>>135084258
>When did you start browsing 4chan, anon?
2004
>>135084287
>Uh, I didn't even say that they are bad posters or anything.
Please don't be facetious. You known damn well what labelling people as being "from /v/" or "from /sp/" is understood as on /a/.
Thank you for failing to sage, newfag.
>>135084319
Are you a heavy drinker?
Your memory is atrocious if you really started browsing around 2004.
Is 24 too old to start learning Japanese? Should I just not bother and continue living my unfulfilled life?
>>135084345
I took a three year break after scientology hit.
>>135083564
Is there anyway to bulk convert these values?
Looking at http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~richard/utf-8.html is useful for single file names but I'm looking for something that can parse these values and at the same time rename some 10,000+ characters.
>>135084376
That's what scripting languages are for.
>>135084372
Sure you did, that's why you are making as much of a clown of yourself as the anon above you. If there is one thing contemporary /a/utists are well known for, it is blaming everything else for your actions.
>>135084418
What on earth are you talking about? I'm answering your questions, so why are you openly mocking ,e?
>>135084403
That's what I'm asking for, as I don't know any scripting languages.
Sorry if I confused you with >>135082993
>>135084279
>People on /jp/ already know Japanese
HAHAHAHAHA
>>135084430
Just ignore him dude, it's not worth your time trying to argue with people like him.
>>135084350
It's scientifically proven that only children can learn new languages. Give up know and save yourself the heartache.
>>135084438
Pretty much the same answer though. It's scripting or bust.
>>135084430
>so why are you openly mocking
It's called an observation. That mocking sensation is you projecting.
>>135084448
That's right anon: ignore those dissident voices and return to the hive. You fucking sperg.
>>135084469
That I understand but I was under the understanding that anon was going to do the scripting if I supply the information. For example, if I provide a pastebin of the file names in the directory, the anon who knows about handling digital animals could convert the names and paste them in a pastebin or something which can be used to then change the file names from that.
>>135084523
The workflow would be them writing a script that lists each file in the directory that matches a mask (probably #####.svg), then looping over that list with a function that runs a command line program, with input from the #####.svg file to output to a <kanji>.png file. All on their own.
That said:
convert -density 1200 -resize 300x300 xc:none 0f9b2.svg imagemagick.png
>>135084572
And
inkscape -z -e inkscape.png -w 300 -h 300 0f9b2.svg
That should be all that is needed. Using the command line of inkscape is probably a better idea since it's a first-resolution rendering instead of downscaling, and because it outputs proper transparency by default.
>>135084572
>>135084603
Okay then, thanks for that. I'll have a poke around online to see if the type of scripting needed is possible to learn enough of in a few hours to do just that.
>みおつくし
>澪標
の澪の「つくり」のほうだね。おにいちゃん
>>135084740
How do you manage to comment on things so wildly unrelated to the conversation at hand? God damn you've got to be one of the worst persistent shitposters this thread has attracted.
>>135084802
How do you manage to comment on things so wildly unrelated to the conversation at hand? God damn you've got to be one of the worst persistent shitposters this thread has attracted.
>>135078461
Thanks, I think.
>>135084603
>>135084572
http://pastebin.com/8M1m1Uw5
It's a python 2 script. If you just want me to upload the output somewhere I can do that too, but it's much easier if you run the script yourself.
no printer boyz
alt+tilde saves the day
>>135086490
Sorry I made a mistake with the source path. Use this instead: http://pastebin.com/tZ3XRaEg
>>135084892
Grow up.
>>135086490
>>135086580
That's awesome, I'll have a look into it now. Been busy trying to figure out Python 3.5.1 but haven't gotten far. You may have just saved me a hell of a lot of time so thanks in advance.
>>135087022
>Grow up.
Grow up.
>>135084802
People are allowed to start their own discussion or make their own isolated post if it's on topic. How is he shitposting anyway?
>>135087133
Try following the discussion and for fuck sake sage off topic posts.
>>135087168
Kill yourself.
>>135086490
>>135086580
Okay, running into two issues. The first one: when using the same src_path and out_path, the script removes the file altogether. When using a different output path, the script runs but nothing happens.
Running post-mortem of unhandled exceptions in PythonWin, no flags are thrown up.
>>135087180
>>135087282
What exactly is your problem? Do you want attention or something?
>>135087334
Stop responding to responses to flames.
>>135086534
>有名た
>>135087344
Stop posting if you have nothing to add.
>>135087381
Stop posting if you have nothing to add.
>>135087374
oshit
>>135087168
You still haven't explained why it's shitposting. And it's pointless to sage in a general since we'll just make another one after this and you still contributed to the bump limit.
When I encounter a new word I save it to a text file by pressing s while hovering over the word with Rikaisama. It only saves the first in the dictionary list though. Is there a way to save the other words as well?
For example つく. Now it only saves 就く but what if I actually want to save 点く ?
/jp/ pls leave your board culture at the door holy shit stop
>>135087520
>And it's pointless to sage in a general since we'll just make another one after this and you still contributed to the bump limit.
Sage is NOT a fucking downvote.
You're part of the reason why this site is shit: full of eternal newfags without a clue and without the basic respect to LURK.
>>135087553
1) See >>135087541
2) He was saying that sage is *literally* useless in a general. The thread will be remade minutes after it dies. Dying slightly earlier or later because someone saged is *literally* inconsequential.
3) Go away.
4) Kill yourself.
>>135087553
I never implies that it was. But there is no point in not bumping a general because even if it dies we'll just make another one. Are you braindead you retard.
Ina normal dying thread it's perfectly reasonable but it serves no purpose in an eternal thread.
>>135087540
Press "u" or whatever sticky mode is bound to, then mouseover the one you want and import that and then press "u" (or whatever) again to deactivate sticky mode. Downside to doing this is that if you have realtime import set to import the sentence you found the word in, you'll need to manually change the sentence in the file since.
>>135086490
>>135086580
Yeah sorry man but if you could upload your output it would be great. The script you have posted just keeps deleting the files or the output folder.
>>135087553
Get a load of this salty kid kek
>>135087540
This works exactly as I wanted. Thanks a lot
>>135087589
>2) He was saying that sage is *literally* useless in a general. The thread will be remade minutes after it dies. Dying slightly earlier or later because someone saged is *literally* inconsequential.
Sage is NOT about keeping a thread alive, you FUCKING IDIOT.
What part of sage is not a downvote, do you not understand? Sage is for EVERYONE ELSE on the board that doesn't need offtopic discussion floating around the front page.
>3) Go away.
You don't understand the fundamental principals of how the site works. You fuck off and come back when you do.
>4) Kill yourself.
You are quite literally the worst kind of person on here: an arroagant clueless fuck who doesn't give a shit about shitting up the place.
>>135087682
Go back to Facebook.
>>135087698
>>135087606
Linked wrong post
>>135087703
shaking.my.head.senpai.
pic related its u
>>135087703
>Sage is for EVERYONE ELSE on the board that doesn't need offtopic discussion floating around the front page.
People still use the front page of the board? wwww
>You don't understand the fundamental principals of how the site works.
Looks like we have someone who knows how the world works. Pray tell me, what proportion of people use the catalog vs using the front page vs using both?
>You fuck off and come back when you do.
Look in a mirror.
>You are quite literally the worst kind of person on here: an arroagant clueless fuck who doesn't give a shit about shitting up the place.
You are actively upset that people didn't stop responding to you. You are the problem anon. It's time to off yourself.
>>135087703
You have ruined three of the last seven threads with your retarded righteous arguments about on-topic posting. Fuck off. Go away. Die. You are pure scum. You are the problem with self-denoted "board culture". You don't matter. Your opinion is irrelevant. You have no right to actively ruin the contents of a thread with the justification that *YOUR* posts aren't bumping it to the front page. Get a reality check. You are actively ruining this thread. It is you, and noone else, who is to blame for what continues to happen when you drag yourself into these petty autismal arguments.
>>135087703
What part of "general threads never go away" don't you understand?
>>135087703
Go away.
Reminder that arguing is confirmed to be tied as the least effective method of deciding facts (which don't exist anyways aside from the fact that you can't learn Japanese)http://strawpoll.me/6300234
口喧嘩しないで下さい
Why can't we at least argue about Japanese
>>135087591
>But there is no point in not bumping because even if it dies we'll just make another one.
Sage isn't used to keep threads alive; it's used to keep them off the face of the board.
>>135087731
Someone who clearly understands 4chan getting pissed off at people not caring about it isn't your favorite buzzword.
>>135087750
>People still use the front page of the board?
Yes they do. It's the first thing you see when going into a board: either in the catalog right at the top of the page in your eyesight or taking up the page outside of catalog view.
Getting pissy because someone called you out for dragging mud through the front door after ignoring the decorum of removing your boots is the epitome of a spoiled brat.
>>135087784
>everyone should not give a fuck about anything because I don't.
That's cool anon; post your current address and see how steadfast you hold to your values. I've been here today out of the past two weeks. If other people are pissing you off like this chances are other people are getting sick of the retards treating every board like /b/.
>>135087804
What part of sage isn't about keeping a thread alive do you not fucking get? Are you retarded?
>>135087824
This isn't your hugbox.
>>135087835
>>135087843
>>135087845
Argument is literally how the western world became Enlightened. Stop being a spineless manchild and either engage in debate or ignore it, instead of taking limp-wristed passive aggressive potshots from the safety of your computer seat.
Go to your Facebook wall if you want a cosy little closed off world from challenging opinions. Or make a Tumblr blog.
>>135087855
>This isn't your hugbox.
Actually it might as well be. Your /v/ shaming doesn't work here. Nobody cares about being open to outsiders here. You adapt or you leave.
>>135087855
>Responding to six entire posts at once
I don't care what you contribute to this thread. I don't care what opinions you hold about how people should behave nor how strongly you hold them. You are actively causing every single last one of the problems that your principals are supposed to prevent.
>That's cool anon; post your current address and see how steadfast you hold to your values.
72 elm street pittsfield massachusetts
>>135087887
>Argument is literally how the western world became Enlightened
Oh my god. It's him. It's literally the single bonafide Argumentative Autist.
>>135087855
Lmao get some butt cream dude
ITT: One depressed narcissist argues with 10+ people under the illusion that there's only three or so
>>135087887
It's not healthy to keep all that teenage rage bottled up, but jeesh.
Someone clearly needs a hug.
Looks like someone was recently introduced to 4chan and is trying desperately to fit into their idea of how things work despite the entirety of the active thread telling them they're wrong.
>>135087855
>>135087703
>>135087553
I have told you every single last fucking time you have posted this bullshit here.
*Nobody on /a/ gives a shit about saging to keep the front page clean*.
That is 100% complete and entirely a construct of slow board culture. It *DOES* *NOT* *EXIST* on fast boards like /a/, /vg/, /mu/, /g/, etc. You are simply wrong. This conception does not exist. You are one of very, very few -- and I mean VERY few -- people who think this is meaningful here. It's much, much, MUCH worse that you actively cause very long arguments defending yourself when you're upset about people making "off-topic" posts. Enough other people have said it. It's time to accept that you've been a serious fucking problem for a long time, and grow the fuck up and fucking STOP.
>>135077395
You look like you could use RTK.
>>135078461
Are しぇ and ちぇ used regularly? I've never actually seen them before.
onoononawonanore
>各々名を名乗れ
English使いには発音できないと思う
>>135088098
Che is. She is used in loanwords.
You're not wrong that they're pretty recent.
>>135088098
The former is a catchphrase used by Iyami in osomatsu
Do you guys actually memorize kanji to the point where you can recall it from your head and write it down?
>>135088260
Been studying grammar and vocab casually for a year. Going to memorize kanji over a month or two these days so that I can remember vocab more easily.
>>135088260
Nah
>>135088260
Maybe a thousand or so.
The majority of them are only good in so far that you can recognize and separate them from others.
>>135088260
Yeah, but there's not much point in doing that unless you're planning on living in Japan or at least work with Japanese.
>>135088107
Tongue twisters in foreign languages somehow seem easier than in your own. バスガス爆発 for example doesn't even register as a tongue twister.
>この目で拝める日が来るなんて
”For the day where I can worship it with my own eyes to come."
Is this an accurate translation?
>>135088509
こんてくすと無しでは、なんともいえないんじゃないかなとおもうよ。
>>135088509
Sounds good to me.
>>135088617
>かな
What kind of nuance does the な gobi carry after か? I keep seeing it in my animes and I don't understand the feeling.
>>135081856
Thanks for the deck, it looks great.
>>135088756
"I wonder"
>>135088800
So when it doesn't seem to do anything like that, it's just forced personality?
>>135088829
No.
>>135088829
It can be, you can basically stick かな at the end of anything, as long as it's grammatically correct, to make the person sound uncertain.
>>135087632
>The script you have posted just keeps deleting the files or the output folder.
I thought it was obvious from the commented line that the output folder is deleted at the start then re-created to ensure it doesn't contain anything else but the script's output. Not sure about your other problems. I assumed you were on linux.
Anyway, here: http://pastebin.com/9ZQ180d8
>>135088869
Okay. Example scenario:
Female character gives other female character a command. Female character is in a hurry, and a little flustered, but definitely clearminded.
The command is a te-form verb. Immediately after the te form verb follows "かな".
Does it mean something like "I wonder" "should I?", or is it just uncertainty flavor?
>>135088898
Oh. Ok.
>>135088927
Wondering something does have an implication of uncertainty but I really don't know what the fuck you're trying to say by "forced personality".
>>135088927
If it's a shonen fighting anime you can usually just ignore stuff like that, the characters tend to have really stupid verbal ticks like ending everything with でござるor っす.
Otherwise かな is uncertainty flavor if there is a pause, as if the character is saying it to themselves, and "I wonder" if it's a proper part of a sentence.
>>135089036
>but I really don't know what the fuck you're trying to say by "forced personality".
I think he's talking about how character shows give girls phrases that they attach to the ends of sentences. Like ぽい in Kantai Collection, なのです in Charlotte, etc.
>>135089042
isn't でござる ninjaspeak
>>135089097
Yeah, which is why it sounds so damned stupid.
>>135089226
いいえでござる
>over 10 new kanji a day
y'all retention rate must be garbno
>>135089097
オッス、オラ悟空
>>135089600
I can hit 60 kanji daily before my retention dips below 80%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxPRBvRQg
not even japs can write basic kanji, how does that make you feel /djt/?
>>135089953
How can I become a beast like you?
>>135090451
I don't think the type of japs i want to interact with are those who can't write in their own language
>>135090451
It is objectively impossible to get a large enough sample size to to prove any point that video is trying to make with 5 minutes of footage.
>>135090466
it's just kanji
do a radical deck or something
>>135090490
but those girls were cute, C-U-T-E!
>>135090665
Asian girls have no souls
Except the ugly ones who are forced to gain a personality because they can't sail through life with their looks
>>135090665
>3DPD
Go blog somewhere else.
>>135090466
I use this special technique I developed when I was an edgy teenager.
First I write the 28 kanji I'm going to learn that day in my notebook. This number was arbitrary since I was just filling up to two pages worth of lines, at times this has gone up to 58 kanji when I was using a large notebook.
I write the kanji, the onyomi, kunyomi, three words where it's used and a sample sentence showing its usage.
When I was done I'd take out a stack of printer paper and fill it up with each kanji, sometimes I just wrote it down once in a giant and exaggerated manner, other times I wrote it up to twenty times in varying sizes. All of this was done sitting on the floor with the paper set in front of me.
When I was done with that I'd paste my head against each individual paper and murmur it's readings and meanings and words for about thirty seconds each, concluding when I was sure to memorize.
I did all of this before going to bed and repeated the memorization when I woke up in the morning.
歴史的に白人が有色種の
殺害を殺人と定めたのは
わずかに数百年前のことである
>>135090931
Oh my God. How long did you keep that up for?
Is it possible to review a deck in anki twice in a day? As in finishing your reviews in the morning and getting new ones by the evening.
>>135091387
Yeah custom study review ahead
Just caught up on Anki reps after exams. That was pretty painful.
>>135091387
You can custom study. Depending on what you're trying to do (reviewing new/wrong cards again?) using steps might be a better option.
its not about memorizing kanji you autist its about learning the vocab
>>135092142
What if -- Just what if learning kanji helps you learn vocab? Every considered that, retard?
>>135092066
I don't think custom study would be the best option...
How do I use steps?
>>135092297
Anki manual
>>135072209
Thank you.
>>135092253
how inefficient, its cringe worthy
Don't fall into the trap. Both methods are fine.
Anyone here read this before?
>>135092416
That's like saying that crossing the Atlantic in a shitty little RTK propeller Cessna is fine when you could do it quickly and comfortably in a nice passenger airliner.
>>135092375
>Do all the joyo kanji in a mere month
>Vocab throughput doubled, pays off as soon as you've done a month extra words compared to what you could do without it
I'm not recommending RTK or anything but if there were a perfect kanji deck it would be very useful.
>>135092622
Fuck off.
Due to the guidance of /djt/ I now am familiar with 500~ Kanji and nearly failed the first semester of my PhD program.
Thanks I think.
>>135092669
>defending a method that's literally a waste of time
Oh boy.
>>135092752
You're welcome.
>>135091193
four months, got up to 1800ish kanji before giving up.
Surprisingly, when I retook learning japanese five months ago after a year of not doing anything, I still remember the majority of them fairly well.
do any of you buy into the psychology shit that I have heard of for learning Japanese?
things like "don't set goals or think about your progress" or something, I forgot what it was exactly.
it sounds like bullshit but I just got to be sure.
>>135092852
Please link it. I need to see this shit
What do you talk about with you pen pal/ language exchange partners? They all seem like a bunch of normal fags.
>>135092887
http://www.textfugu.com/season-1/hard-way/1-4/
it's a shitty example, they're just shilling themselves there but I read it on other sites too which I can't remember.
maybe other anons know what I am talking about?
>>135092887
He might be talking about this, which says to set goals but not tell people about them because "your brain receives a rush of endorphins both when you complete an action and also when you talk about completing that action", so "you have given yourself a premature sense of completeness before having even started the task."
https://pursuingawesomeness.wordpress.com/2015/12/13/12-things-i-learnt-from-12-months-of-french/
>>135093302
yes, that's the kind of thing. glad someone knew what I meant.
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>>135093284
I just skimmed through the article but the gist of the message that the article is trying to convey is true. There was nothing about not setting goals too.
My personal opinion would be that it's good to set milestones ESPECIALLY if you're learning Japanese to read some specific untranslated material. Maybe something like:
-Finish Yotsubato
-Fap to an entire tankoubon
-Finish an easy VN
-Finish reading the thing you started learning Japanese for
-Further goals like reading Jap literature/classics/Muramasa etc.
Doing stuff like this will keep you motivated and remind yourself that you are making progress. It's easy to start feeling like you're hitting a brick wall and not improving much once you're in the "intermediate hell" stage or even before that.
Using anki statistics as goals would be a bad idea though because they might affect how "honest" you are when answering cards and it's always better to gauge your own reading ability by, well, reading.
>>135093265
>implying I have one of those
I didn't learn Japanese so I could talk to some random fella from the other side of the world.
>>135093446
>-Finish reading the thing you started learning Japanese for
I started learning japanese for FSN though
>>135093446
It's also important to take a break once a year, christmas time is perfect to relax for 2 weeks
>>135093476
Well, are you able to read FSN?
>>135093508
Nope
>>135093516
Then you still have that to look forward to.
>>135093499
Except from anki. Don't take breaks from anki. Not till you're so good you can read academic papers in your field.
>>135093476
I hope you aren't implying that FSN falls into the easy VN category.
>>135093532
Thanks for the perspective friend
>>135093546
The opposite because of things I read about it having grammatical gymnastics at pivotal story moments.
>>135093265
I made an account on HelloTalk on my phone to try getting a pen pal or something, but i'm too socially retarded. I couldn't even have a conversation in english.
>>135093302
>>135093368
Yeah, this is definitely true. It's a common pitfall for an undisciplined learner of pretty much anything. Referring to the part about bragging about learning a language when you're just getting your feet wet by the way.
To expand on what the article is saying, the most important part of learning a language or setting out on any endeavour is discipline. Even if you don't feel like doing your reps or having a bad day, it's best to muscle through and finish your reviews (just skip doing new cards for that day if you're really not feeling it).
Speaking from personal experience, whenever you set out to do accomplish something you'll usually be filled with energy and motivation to get out there and finish it as soon as possible because you're SO GODDAMN HYPED to get to your goal. As a result you will definitely get the urge to do something increase your new cards per day to 90 because you wanna read that fucking eroge RIGHT NOW. While you might be able to cope with it at first, you'll gradually lose all of the beginner motivation and start to view Anki as even bigger chore than it already is.
When people give up on stuff it's usually because of small things that add up to become a huge pain in the ass. So start making excuses, skipping one day, then two days, then a week, then you wake up one morning and say "Fuck it. I'm done. Learning Japanese is horrible. Fuck this shitty language."
>>135093663
Well, you have to make a choice now. Either stop being a sperg or spend the rest of your life without a pen pal.
>>135094234
The biggest hurdle in pursuing the long-term goal of learning Japanese is balance. You have to balance wanting to sprint towards the finish line and your stamina (how much you can take until you give up). Because no matter how disciplined you are you'll feel the urge to skip a day and end up quitting in the end. Some tips to prevent this from happening:
-Keep your milestones in mind and congratulate yourself whenever you conquer one of them
-Study smart and suspend leeches. Leeches cause unnecessary stress and waste your time which you could use on learning other things. How many lapses till a card is considered a leech is up to you, but just leave it as the default until you start to know what you're doing. Suspending leeches is not being a pussy, it's getting rid of shit that will weigh you down and chip away at your patience over time.
-Know your limits. Don't do too much but don't do too little either. Experiment with the number of new cards you do in a day later on and see how many you can complete while maintaining good retention. It's okay to do 10 cards per day if you're just stating out but if you still do that after the first 2k you'll want to quit just from seeing how little progress you made.
-Take a break (?) As >>135093545 mentioned taking breaks or lowering your workload is a fantastic way to recover from burnout. Be careful not to fall out from the usual routine though.
Wow, this really dragged on long but the main point if you don't want to read anything else is study hard and study smart.
>>135094250
>stop being a sperg
>a choice
>>135094250
>just b urself
>>135093663
How is HelloTalk?
くーねるまるた、に出てきたチーユ作ってみた
カリカリの鳥皮のほうは美味しくいただいたのだけど
はてさて肝心のチーユのほうは何に使ったものか
>>135095657
あのラベンダー枕も一度作ったい
ラベンダー持たないけれど
>>135094288
>congratulate yourself whenever you conquer one of them
>
>Reading
>Go to check my understanding with an available translation online
>See this
>Scanlators
Somehow they never seem to forget to slab their group credits in every issue..
Anyways,
>以前はわしら下々の者にまで声をかけて回る気さくなお坊様じゃったのに邪教を布教した疑いでしょっぴかれて以来あんな…
>Before, although there were friendly priests who went around calling out even to us poor folk, they were dragged away on suspicion of spreading heresies, and now ...
Seems right? These long sentences always kill me..
>>135096687
It says わしら so it's probably them who were those priests.
>>135096954
I'm quite sure the lower people were not the priests.
You've never seen read this?
>>135096954
I see, so it's more like
"Before, we honest priests ministered even to the poor, but they dragged us away..."?
>>135097143
It makes sense though -- his daughter shushes him because he's outing himself as a priest
>>135097296
Oh I must have been mistaken then
With radicals is it ok to just learn the meaning?
A lot of them have 3-4 pronunciations and some can be fairly long. Remembering all of them seems daunting.
>>135097546
Radicals don't have pronunciations.
>>135094288
>It's okay to do 10 cards per day if you're just stating out but if you still do that after the first 2k you'll want to quit just from seeing how little progress you made.
I did an average of 10 new cards over 1.75 years and I can read any nukige or moege I want with ease, so I certainly am not in despair over my progress. Anki is important and good, but it's not the meat of your study, READING practice is the meat. You can go slow in anki and still make good progress simply by reading.
The only way that 10 new cards a day has negatively impacted me is wondering how people do 60-100.
>>135097678
For reference I can do 15 vocab a day but as many as 60 kanji
>>135097678
How much do you read in a day?
>>135097678
>1.75 years
Most people want to get results in the shortest time possible.
>>135097707
Well, maybe my last line was misleading, I know how people do that many: they're willing to invest a lot more time into anki than I am. I meant more like, "i wonder how fast they're speeding through".
>>135097733
2-12 hours.
>>135097735
I've been cozily reading VNs with little trouble for months now, I've gotten my results. Furthermore, I think "reading fluency" in 1.75 years is pretty short by normal standards especially for Japanese. I'm definitely not bragging, I know many people better than me at 1.75 years too, so it's not like I'm puffing myself up as someone amazing, but I don't believe 1.5 - 1.75 years is a bad time at all to be as good as I am.
>>135096687
The official Dark Horse translation of Berserk on bakabt is good.
>>135097831
>2-12 hours.
Well no fucking wonder why you don't mind doing 10 new a day.
Where is Tokyo in the sentence?
>>135097570
I guess I'm talking about the readings then.
I'm going through a radical deck and there are readings on the back of the cards.
>>135097873
I don't mind doing 10 a day because the rep count is low and I don't want to die of boredom while doing anki. I have very low tolerance for anki. If I had any more reps than I do now I'd probably give up anki. Reading is way easier and more fun, so of course I would do it a lot.
>>135092752
しっかりして！
>>135097901
上京
じょうきょう
Don't ask
>>135097901
上京。
>>135097938
>I'm going through a radical deck and there are readings on the back of the cards.
What the fuck.
That shit doesn't exist.
>>135098053
Well I don't know what's going on then.
I guess I'll just ignore them. Makes things much easier for me.
>>135098053
部首名
>>135098142
Yeah you can ignore them, completely useless.
>>135098167
They did say "3-4 pronunciations".
>>135097985
>yuyushiki
shit
>>135097901
Is the translation correct? I'd have read it as "Attending university was my chance to go to Tokyo"
>>135098526
Nah, it was his motive.
Is anyone else learning Japanese just so they can play video games?
>>135098501
You're shit.
僕は黒人英語を習いたい！おねがい！僕の一番好きバンドはＮＷＡだよ！
>>135098813
lol oppai xP
>>135098712
You're not learning Japanese by blogging on /djt/.
>>135098833
ファック ザ・ ポリス
>>135098712
That's the board for kids
>>>/v/
>>135098833
HOL UP HOL UP
YOUS BE SAYIN WE WUZ KINGZ N SHEEEEEIT??
>>135098833
お巡りさんをファックしようぜ
>>135098712
>a /v/irgin's final words
You'll fail like all the others before you.
>>135098712
Yeah, the Legend of Heroes series is what urged me to start learning.
>>135098712
You can't learn Japanese.
>>135098712
/v/ GO HOME
GET THE FUCK OUT
Japanese video games are pretty fun and offer lots of compelling content to study with. No reason to be such losers about implying he'll fail. Video games are fine too.
>>135098712
That's one of the reasons.
>>135098712
Sure why not
The only game I play these days is halo 5 tho
妬む
拓く
LITERALLY indistinguishable
>>135098712
No, so I can watch Japanese bug men shows and read LNs
痙攣
Pretty nice looking word
>>135099368
Well, in a bigger font at least
>>135099333
Is this a meme? The left-side radical is different, those are easy to distinguish.
>>135099368
>てなえ
>someone with disabled arms
why is this funny to me?
嘗める
嘗て
doushite
黒毛和牛
flyable hearts ost has some sick uk garage vibes
I've succeed in finishing Kanji Damage and now I'm a bit lost. I want to learn more kanji, however I don't know which kanji should I study. Should I learn all 常用漢字 now or is there a more useful kanji list/deck?
>>135099985
Sansha Mendan's opening has killer hard rock
>>135099985
Link?
>>135099997
Doesn't kanji damage consist of all the jouyou kanji? So surely you know them all now
>>135100099
My KD deck consists of 1760 cards of which about 1600 are kanji and the rest are radicals.
>>135099997
How about reading something and adding any kanji/word you don't know into anki
>>135099997
I did wanikani, which I think has a similar amount of kanji, and after I finished I didn't bother studying kanji individually anymore, I just picked them up from vocab. I think once you've learned 1500 or so picking up new ones becomes pretty effortless.
Jouyou isn't a bad idea since every Japanese person knows them but there's about 100-200 of them you'll hardly see, I think. Just plain reading practice would be way better for improving kanji than grinding out the list
>>135100205
>>135100194
I'm doing core 10k and after two thousand cards kanji that are unknown to me started to appear in the sample sentences.
Is building a new deck containing them a good idea?
wat
>>135100338
Here are the samples of what I've mined so far:
肘 【チュウ ・ ひじ】 elbow; arm ×
姪 【テツ ・ チツ ・ ジチ ・ イツ ・ イチ ・ めい ・ おい】 niece ×
剃 【テイ ・ まい ・ そ.る ・ す.る】 shave ×
髭 【シ ・ ひげ ・ くちひげ】 beard; mustache ×
袖 【シュウ ・ そで】 sleeve; wing (building); extension; give cold shoulder ×
瓶 【ビン ・ かめ】 flower pot; bottle; vial; jar; jug; vat; urn ×
諦 【テイ ・ タイ ・ あきら.める ・ つまびらか ・ まこと】 abandon; give up ×
賑 【シン ・ にぎ.わい ・ にぎ.やか ・ にぎ.わす ・ にぎ.わう】 flourish; be bustling; prosperity ×
枕 【チン ・ シン ・ まくら】 pillow ×
拓 【タク ・ ひら.く】 clear (the land); open; break up (land) ×
零 【レイ ・ ぜろ ・ こぼ.す ・ こぼ.れる】 zero; spill; overflow; nothing; cipher ×
寧 【ネイ ・ むし.ろ】 rather; preferably; peaceful; quiet; tranquility ×
歓 【カン ・ よろこ.ぶ】 delight; joy ×
鶏 【ケイ ・ にわとり ・ とり】 chicken ×
凝 【ギョウ ・ こ.る ・ こ.らす ・ こご.らす ・ こご.らせる ・ こご.る】 congeal; freeze; stiff; be absorbed in ×
喉 【コウ ・ のど】 throat; voice ×
牧 【ボク ・ まき】 breed; care for; shepherd; feed; pasture ×
掲 【ケイ ・ かか.げる】 put up (a notice); put up; hoist; display; hang out; publish; describe ×
鯉 【リ ・ こい】 carp ×
傍 【ボウ ・ かたわ.ら ・ わき ・ おか- ・ はた ・ そば】 bystander; side; besides; while; nearby; 3rd person ×
>>135100419
Sometimes instead of a standard reading for a kanji it's a different word that may even have different kanji/s. Show the whole thing
>>135072209
>Discussion on the state of affairs, Kid’s Manga The Collapse and Transformation of Idealism
>Gekiga The Hell of Post War Democracy
>Nonsense Manga, Why did Manga move towards nonsense
>Ero-guro manga, the desires that lurk in savagery
>Extra: history of post war manga by year
Sounds interesting, thanks.
I can't read any of this, but maybe one day....
>>135100781
Too late.
I know this has nothing to do with learning Japanese but where are the other volumes of dragonball in the CoR? Wikipedia says there should be 42 but there's only 34 are they the revised version made shorter or something?
How do I read when my vocab is shit? Just constantly refer to a dictionary?
>>135101179
Yes
>>135101217
Should you still be reading a lot when you can't make it five words without looking something up?
>>135101252
Reading is always the best way to improve, but if you really find it too frustrating focus on anki instead
>Started jerking off a lot more as a way to prevent myself from studying.
Huh.
Is Japanese the most poetic and pun-filled language due to Kanji?
>>135101584
What is frisian
>>135101584
By that logic Chinese would be the most poetic because it uses more hanzi.
>starting out on my japanese joruney for new years
recommendations?
>>135101619
I don't know.
>>135101619
Irrelevant.
>>135101626
>recommendations?
LEAAVVEEE
>>135101626
Recommendations for what?
>>135101692
You're irrelevant.
Is learning a language, well reading anyway, even possible by yourself? I don't want to get too deep knowing that it's useless without a teacher.
>>135101626
Read the guide
>>135101724
Oh my god it's not even new years yet why are you here
>>135101724
I can read VNs with a substantially high degree of comprehension without ever having interacted with a teacher, tutor, or Japanese native. Everything is possible by yourself if you read and listen to a lot of native material.
>>135101626
>recommendations?
Honestly? Stop. Most shit gets localized, unless you intend to do more than just fap to Chinese cartoons, just stop.
I'm failing to see why I can't just end these sentences with "しました/した" rather than using "~してある"
What would I be saying instead if I used "した" instead?
>>135101626
>starting out on my japanese joruney for new years
I wonder what the success rate for this scenario is.
>>135101724
It's all down to you, anon.
If you want to do it, then you can certainly do it.
Be aware that it takes a lot of commitment, but can also be very enjoyable
>>135101820
Literally 0
ですから OR からです
？
>>135101917
would mean different things
>>135101724
Yes anon, it's literally impossible to learn anything without surrendering some money first.
>>135101805
It says right there on the page what the difference is, してある just shows that an action has been done and is now left in that state
窓が開ける。
The window has been opened
窓が開けてある。
The window has been left open
>>135101979
I'm still confused, what you're referring to is a previous section (not saying it's irrelevant).
The examples you give are done with verbs that make sense in my mind, but with a verb like "to do", things get done, not "they get done and are in a current state of staying done."
Like, I'm pretty sure that's not what it's saying, but that's how I'm understanding hence my confusion.
hello anons. I started learning seriously relatively recently, I am now starting kanji. I am done with the radicals.
I was wondering if I should learn the reading of the kanji with it or focus on the meaning and learn the readings gradually with vocabulary. any advice? I'm using the vocab deck in the readmes of the DJT, and trying the nihongo shark kanji deck.
>>135102160
If you're learning kanji in isolation you shouldn't learn readings until you can already read material of your own choice fluidly.
>>135102160
Definitely don't learn readings of kanji anywhere but vocab
>>135101626
>>135101724
Just give up and forget it. Otherwise you'll just end up tasting the bitter tears of failure.
>>135102160
The meanings are useless and you'll generally learn them through vocabulary anyway, just like the readings.
>>135101626
Stop before you end up wasting too much time to give up
it's not worth it
>>135102135
The same nuance is there it just doesn't make as much sense in the context of English
It's just saying that the preparations were done in the past at some point and are still in that state now, or that the hotel reservations were made before and so are now already made, guess it sounds retarded in English
"they get done and are in a current state of staying done." pretty much sums it up, maybe you just need to stop reading Japanese with English logic, because it won't make any sense if do
>>135102333
Meanings are useful in that they provide hints for what words mean and furthermore they serve as an anchor to use when memorizing a kanji
I am looking to take the JLPT N1 next year. I have finished all the vocabulary and kanji in N5-N1 + Core6k via anki. I know my weak points are listening comprehension and grammar according to J-CAT which rated me somewhere between N1 and N2.
For reinforcing my listening, what is best when you can't understand what you heard? Should you replay what you did not understand or should you just let the audio continue and blast through it?
For reinforcing my grammar, should I read all 3 DOJG cover to cover, which I already own? Or should I get some of the specialized JLPT grammar books?
Keep in mind I already reading a lot on my own and play lots of Japanese games and watch my anime raw depending on the genre. I do tend to understand, I would say around 70-80% of the materials I am interested in. Comments like don't be an anki drone wont help. I'm looking to past the test and not necessarily to get better at reading Japanese porno games.
>>135102435
>my weak points are listening comprehension and grammar
Sounds like someone needs to watch some animeWhat the fuck is this captcha?
>>135102367
>"they get done and are in a current state of staying done." pretty much sums it up, maybe you just need to stop reading Japanese with English logic, because it won't make any sense if do
It's just hard to know when to let go. Sometimes I feel like I'm copping out by just thinking, "Whatever, it's just how it is in Japanese...."
I'll stop being such a try hard.
>>135102198
>>135102254
thanks for the quick feedback. I never lurked these threads, holy shit they are fast (I will now)
while I'm at it, is the nihongo shark deck any good? I looked at the kanji damage proposed in the read me, but the allusions to innacurate informartion and the cringy stuff scared me away.
>>135102333
so what should I do when learning kanji if not at least the meanings? recognize its shape?
>>135102435
I read online that the hardest part is doing it all fast, since it's timed. Can you read fast?
>>135102530
>so what should I do when learning kanji if not at least the meanings? recognize its shape?
Kanji from vocab vs kanji in isolation is a meme debate here.
>>135102530
If you're looking to memorize kanji individually then your best bet is RTK. It has the highest success rate I've seen for such resources.
Memorizing the meaning is fine. It just won't always be helpful - many kanji have several meanings and occur in words irrelevant to their meanings. It's not perfect, but it's still good.
>>135102543
I am a slow reader. I read a page worth of light novel in about 2-4 minutes. Maybe I should work more on that.
>>135102514
I was thinking more a long the lines of Japanese radio/pod cast, because with anime you get some visual ques that might help you understand things that you would normally not.
>>135102530
You shouldn't be memorising kanji separately. You'll learn the readings that are relevant to you from vocab, and you should be able to guess the "meaning" from context.
>>135102524
You don't need to worry about understanding everything perfectly at the beginning, it'll feel more natural to you the more you expose yourself to Japanese, for now you should just focus on having a good enough general idea about grammar so that you can start reading
>>135102435
Sou Matome or Shin Kanzen Master for grammar. I've only used the former but I'm sure latter is also good.
>>135102647
I don't know if that's slow or fast in the context of JLPT. I guess if it's slower than the only real advice is "read more", haha. That's how you get faster.
>>135102704
Cute image thanks
>>135102543
華南 広東 福建省 How the fuck are you supposed to know all these random places? This is not JLPT material right?
>>135102796
You are right, it's not JLPT.
>>135102796
There is a geography part
>>135102667
Oh. Could a kind anon explain why isolation is superior?
>>135102546 explained why along vocab is superior.
>>135102839
>>135102838
Don't scare me like that!
How many suspended cards do you let build up before you unsuspend? Sitting at ~100 right now. Is it possible to release them in batches?
>>135102880
I always set my decks to never suspend cards
>>135102876
Do you want to pass JLPT or do you want to learn Japanese?
>>135102880
If a card suspends I never let it back into my main deck. I write them IRL, do real flash cards, etc etc. But I don't let them waste anki time.
>>135102928
I did that for awhile but once I resuspended leeches my reps dropped literally down 100 reviews, so yeah.
>>135102849
Nah, vocab is superior. RTK is not a path you want to take on your road to wisdom.
>>135102988
>>135102435
>Do you want to pass JLPT or do you want to learn Japanese?
I clearly said I want to pass the JLPT.
>>135103080
You should just stop if you don't actually want to learn Japanese.
>>135102928
Bad advice alert.
Keep your stupid fucking mouth shut in the future.
>>135103200
Mmmkay
>>135103045
His two first sentances seem to contradict each other.
>>135103265
I've read that post at least 5 times and I never noticed that.
He meant "aren't harder", for context he can't pass the N1 / isn't N1 level (apparently) so naturally he'd be saying the 論文 in N1 is harder than newspaper.
>>135097901
きっかけ
it's one of ... "those" ... words
>>135102880
Anki would suspend my entire deck if I left that on.
>>135094197
That's awesome oc
How many times do you fail a word before you get it right? I usually do decent on reviews but on most days I'll sit there failing the same group of 5 or so words for like an hour before I can barely scrape past them and finish. These words usually have one kanji in common and have very similar meanings so they just won't stick.
When would you use 開く / 閉じる vs 閉じる / 閉める?
>>135103506
Not if you set the threshhold to something reasonable.
If you lapse a card eight times in a row it's time to give up on it for now.
>>135103534
I'm pretty bad at this, 30 to 40 seems more reasonable.
>>135103566
Consider studying kanji in isolation
>>135103526
Whoops I mean 開く / 閉じる vs. 開ける / 閉める
>>135103522
Once, because I make up a mnemonic for each card. That might be inefficient, but if you're failing the same card for an hour I think it's insane not to try a mnemonic.
>>135102647
I took N1 this year and I'm quite sure I passed. Speed is definitely the biggest hurdle.
Here's a full size sample test for the JLPT (same number of questions)
http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/sample12.html
You get 110 minutes for vocab, grammar and reading together. Do this and time yourself.
>>135103744
I postulate that the latter are more about unlocking/locking, while the former are more about unfolding/folding.
>mining words from the DOJG deck
O-ok
>>135103972
That's not what it's for
>mining words from Core2k
>mining words from tae kim
>doing tae kim before vocab
Well-memed!
>doesnt like memes
>studies a meme language
>>135103796
Oh thanks anon, some thing actually useful.
