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>>134921153
Hahahaha.
You need a good understanding of proportions, perspective and lineweight. Once you understand these subjects it's really not that hard to make pieces like in the right, it just takes a bit more time than simply going for anime stylized drawings.
>>134921153
Not true at all
>>134921153
You need to be better to make the pic on the left.
You k ow, because it looks better
>>134921153
Is this about drawing or sex?
>>134921153
i would drawing anime only is degenerate it takes no skill im not a art student but i have been drawing for years and i see people who say they can "draw" and then they draw basic anime and i cringe a bit
>>134921536
I bet your shit is below deviantart tier.
>>134921561
think what you like
but my but hurt a bit are we
>>134921536
>>>ESL
>>134921536
post some drawings then
That's true.
To be able to snuggle cute anime grills, I had to pose in my underwear next to a skeleton.
Awkward, but worth it.
0%
>>134921596
i am not a wetback.
>>134921619
i don't own a scanner.
>>134921508
Satisfying a mustached gentleman and a skeleton clearly requires more technique and stamina.
>>134921153
Knowing proportion doesn't mean you have to able drawing realistic.
like 70% true
>>134921274
is correct
>>134921153
No.
You need understanding to be able to do both.
If you can't do one you can't do the other.
>>134921665
or a phone?
>>134921665
Do you own a camera?
Drawing is a talent so you don't have to learn shit. You either can draw it or can't.
>>134921629
You don't have to, there's already a skeleton inside of you
That image is very exaggerated but it's true.
>>134921153
>How true is this?
Maybe true for KyoAni.
>>134921665
I photograph my drawings
>>134921719
>>134921722
oh sure why not give me a minute or two.
but i guess i meant what >>134921274 meant
>>134921589
Wut
>>134921723
Oh fuck off, some people just have an easier time learning the art and take seemingly less effort to accomplish something vs. taking more time to practice and develop skills. There's no such thing as being able to Rembrandt straight out of the womb.
>>134921274
The problem with some anime/manga (doijinshi especially) is when the artist *doesn't* grasp human anatomy, and therefore they end up making people who are so anatomically unrealistic, that it actually gets a little disturbing on occasion.
>>134921153
Slightly exaggerated, but generally true.
Picrelated is my stuff
>>134921153
To be a cute lesbians with another girl you first must be able to turn into a skeleton? Huh? Explain
>>134921871
Awerage hentai stuff - yes, they fuck up hard poses.
But god tier hentai has god tier anatomy
Yui's right leg is positioned wrong, so clearly you don't need to be a master of anatomy to draw anime moeblobs.
>>134921723
Is this what you tell yourself to feel better about your reluctance to learn new skills?
>>134921871
>doijinshi
Not really surprising for those. Most of them aren't professional.
>>134921875
Face is disgusting and too much detail has been put into the musculature (especially left biceps). Reduce the details on the shiny abs.
>>134921723
What the fuck are you on about?
Do you think there's some sort of drawing gene or something?
>>134921723
Talent is EXP multiplier, not something that make you level 100 from the start.
>>134922079
>>134921875
I like it.
>>134921723
No, it's not. It's a skill you learn & can be taught. Comments like yours only come from losers who don't try hard enough.
>>134922104
this is a silly analogy but I like it
>>134921153
>How true is this?
Not very. It's mostly whining by art students that claim they are still real artists can could draw something like the old masters did, but just choose not to; instead they throw trash on the ground and call it art.
>>134921875
Those hips are objectively perfect, anon. How much practice does it take to get here?
>>134922079
The left arm is a bit weird, but I think the face is fine. The eyes actually look refreshing.
>>134922079
i suck with faces, and that one was a rushy-quick work.
Here's what i got when go serious but the background is just bad, i know it.
>>134921723
Typical excuse, try harder faggot
move thread >>>/i/
>>134922190
A year of practicing 10+ hours a day.
>>134921153
Knowing anatomy helps immensely.
>>134921875
>>134922190
>Those hips are objectively perfect
You might as well be saying that silicon boobs are objectively perfect.
>>134922206
What's with the serious lack of lines?
I get it can be an art style and that good coloring/shading means that shapes still hold if you turn off the line art layers, but it doesn't work with your art at this point. It looks blurry and undefined and really shows that you draw like a westerner.
>>134922270
>implying they aren't
>>134922206
You're not drawing, you're painting.
>>134922290
My cellshading (flat 2d style) is just bad and you have no idea what amount of work is to make a clean poshed line-art, at least for me, maybe i'm braindamaged or something but my hands just won't draw clean.
>>134922238
This is almost four thousand hours. This kind of commitment only reminds me of the most rabid of Dota players. Jesus christ.
>>134922270
>You might as well be saying that silicon boobs are objectively perfect.
I don't get it.
>>134922318
Silicon boobs are dreadful, anon.
>>134922104
Basically this. Talent at drawing only means you have some of the traits most people have to develop over months if not years of practice: steady hands, an eye for shape and form, or good hand-eye coordination, or maybe good instinct for color coordination. These are definitely advantages that allow you to rapidly progress, but you still don't get anywhere without putting them to practice.
>>134922412
>rabid of Dota players.
i used to be one.
Now the time counter in steam is vry painful to look at.
>>134922318
They aren't.
>>134922412
>I don't get it.
Both are ugly and fake-looking. Those hips are more like a caricature of a woman's hips and not perfect at all.
>>134922412
>4000 hours
If you want to learn a language you need that much, at least with an Asian one you do.
>>134922412
They say ten thousand hours is needed to become an expert in anything.
>10 hours of practicing/studying
Maybe if I was on ritalin, how do you anons do this? My max is like 1 hour then I NEED a break.
>>134922487
>a caricature of a woman's hips
They are an exaggertion of attractive features.
What now? Anime eyes are too big?
I'm not a fan of melon boobs, but exaggerated boobs in a right shape and beautifully done are great.
yes OP it is necessary,cant do pic on the right too well yet,but this is my skill level.
>>134922624
>>a caricature of a woman's hips
>They are an exaggertion of attractive features.
Which makes them no longer attractive.
>What now? Anime eyes are too big?
It depends in which anime. They often are too big.
>>134922619
Have fun with it.
I mean, you're practicing drawing for fuck's sake. Not going through data or memorizing anki cards.
>>134922619
Hammer PASSION into your head, it must be something that you wnt more than to get laid.
if you don't want it so hard make yourself want it.
Also works as a great escapism, when i was depressed or had problems i could draw literally all day until i'm too sleepy to go on, because if you stop you'll start thinking aboyut your problems.
The worse the better.
>>134922487
>Both are ugly and fake-looking. Those hips are more like a caricature of a woman's hips and not perfect at all.
I don't think so. I thought that's what nice hips look like, usually. Then again I don't have an eye for form and I struggle to draw passable stick figures, so I guess I'm not exactly an authority on the subject.
>>134922546
>They say ten thousand hours is needed to become an expert in anything.
Fair enough, but this basically equates to around 3 to 5 years of practice, right? If I'm at least passable after one year I guess that can keep me going.
I'll just go ahead and daydream about being a good artist and think of the things I'd like to draw. I'm an expert at that, at least.
>>134922104
Not as far off the mark as you'd believe. Environment and genetics both play a role in determining intelligence. So you can be innately skilled at art but so long as you don't train that reflex, you'll always be subpar to someone who actively practices.
>>134922238
What is a person even supposed to do with 10 fucking hours?
Switch between drawing for reference and free drawing?
>>134922680
>Which makes them no longer attractive.
Ehh. That's subjective.
It's not my kind of thing, but H-manga with chicks with tits the size of their torso exists because people are into them
>>134922637
That looks like a copy of existing artwork and the person drawing it had no clue how the "inner" structure worked.
>>134922793
>innately
Reading books on anatomy, trying to reproduce, failing, reading again trying again, then trying to draw an anime girl with what you just learned. Sketching, constructing, trying to memorize major body volumes and minor such as muscules and fat, trying to draw complex poses with foreshortening and perspective, also learning values, colors, and sketching robots and mechs to feel perspective of simple shapes more.
And lots and lots of actual books an anatomy and drawing.
>>134921153
That is literally a meme to keep weabshits out of /ic/
>>134922793
Draw from reality.
Read the /ic/ sticky, it has books and other shit.
Learn from other people's drawings and their techniques.
Just draw for fun.
>>134921871
>people think art style has anything to do with the drawers ability to draw
What a surprise this faggot is a tripfag
>>134922907
i am rusty with figures,but what exactly makes you say that,both these guys wear rather baggy clothing
>>134923094
It does though.
>>134921153
I used to think it was b.s., but I studied anatomy from loomis, alienthink and a Japanese mangaka for like 5 months and it m are my art sooooooo much better.
>to be able to draw as well as a japanese hobbyist
>you must first be able to draw as well as a classically trained russian academic draftsman
u wot
My biggest problem is that I can't keep consistent faces or feature proportions even if it's the same character from the same angle. Another common problem is that I'm poor at drawing anything beyond 2-3 certain poses/angles.
>>134922637
I like your style, kid
>>134922206
Nose are too big nigga
/ic/ autists who make boring(for the most part) paintings will say it is accurate
autistic finnish artist who draws fat cutiepie schoolgirls and can do it in 12 styles says balance and stylization are more important than anatomy if you want to draw cute anime girls
Get a clue
>>134923285
Steal other people poses, redraw it again.
>>134923100
Even with baggy clothing, there is still a body beneath that supports the cloth and the drape/folds should look natural instead of forced or non-existent. Anatomical proportions mustn't be ignore, either. Both characters in >>134922637 look incredibly flat despite the shading and the guy on the right looks like he's got elephantiasis.
>>134923351
Style and stylization are not the same thing anon.
>>134923351
That looks like shit though.
>>134923282
the point is that you need actual drawing skills to do stylized stuff.
I know a dude who thinks that he can bullshit around, learn tricks and guides and easy ways so he won't need to get good to make good stuff.
He draws this.
>>134923404
Whoa I ain't going down the route of NGNL Kamiya Yu.
>>134923285
do advance contouring, you need more eyes training. And some baroque drawing practice on line art.
>>134923452
Good GOD, even for Satsuki, that's UGLY!
>>134923404
Haha yeah I do that too. Everyone does.
>>134923452
>That mishmash of perspectives
>That leg / hip proportion
>That everything
I can't draw worth shit but that looks terrible.
Yall fags need
LOOMIS
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>>134923440
I never implied otherwise
>>134923449
Your face looks like shit
>>134923351
>>134923449
He knows anatomy to certain degree.
He makes most body shapes and curves and makes them okay, but he warps them around for sake of simplicity and cuteness. Doesn't mean you don't have to learn fundamentals.
BTW he's not exactly a god of drawing. But might help the beginners.
I more like this.
>>134923452
That is fucking creepy. It looks like a bobble-head doll in chibi proportions but regular arms and overly sexualized breasts/waist/hips.
>>134923620
he tried to make it like she's seen from above, kek.
>>134923595
And I never said anatomy is not important, but you don't need to perfectly grasp male figure and draw spooky skellingtons if you want to draw cute 2d girls instead. None of the artists posting here so far have any grasp of the anime style
>>134923649
But its from the front...
>>134923452
>He draws this.
Also this
>>134923695
>painting in anime style
truly the worst shit ever. Very few artists can pull that off and not go full uncanny valley
>>134923683
That is how bad the art is.
>>134923695
Looks like he painted over a photo.
>>134923495
What is eyes training?
>>134921153
>had to stop drawing for half a year because faggy asshole drug dealers wanted to kill me
>took Muay thai class after University so i don't get killed.
>In the midst of moving out from that shitty neighborhood
Finally, I can start drawing and practicing again.
>>134923842
nice blog bro
Maybe you shouldn't have butt in on their turf?
>>134923723
>painting
It's a photo, bro.
>Very few artists can pull that off
As for me I love DanteWontDie.
But i can't do that myself.
some istead do just a flat as a pancake anime face right on top of the painted stuff and it wotks OK.
>>134923434
yea,i drew the body then the clothes over it,hes squatting very widely,i mean i couldve used shading to show that better but come on man
>>134923695
Oh
Oh my god
Rate me, /a/
>>134923947
those proportions
>>134921875
gross
>>134922546
This was bullshit already proven wrong.
>>134923886
I like this one by usatarou a lot
Its funny because he normally draws obscene futanari pictures
not really... you have to have a ground understanding of anatomy and proportion to draw in a manga style, but to be able to draw like on the right side, you have to get a "bit" better in those topics.
>>134921875
Everything looks pretty good except for the face, it looks pasted on.
>>134923947
you're too focused on the ass, as it seems... (you never can be focused enough on the ass!)
>>134923947
- Lineweight too heavy. Don't draw the lines and draw over them as if your life depended on them.
- Why is the shading directional? Pick one direction and stay with it. Don't shade up and down the limbs following their exact orientations.
- Proportions are poor. Head is too big, torso too small, arms are spindly and it looks like you tried to emphasis the butt way too much.
- Butts are not solid round balls. They can and will be squished by the thighs in different poses.
- Did you copy the hands from somewhere?
- Overall it's very stiff and forced-looking.
>>134923947
5/10, you need improvement.
Post this on /ic/ and you'll get enough butthurt to last you an entire year.
>>134922103
I imagine it as brushes and penciles in my DNA-double helix
>>134921723
I'm gonna drown you in a bucket full of water colors!
You guys remember those yuno sensei draw threads years ago on /a/? Surely you practiced a lot and learned how to draw since then right?
>>134923285
Practice, practice, practice.
I had/have the same problem with consistency. Practice directly corrects that.
>tfw I tried to get into drawing in high school but was too lazy to put in serious effort, and now I can barely even draw flat perspective chibi shit with a reference
>tfw I tried to get into playing the piano in high school, but only crammed a couple hours of practicing right before my lessons to be able to flounder through the pieces just enough to not disappoint the teacher, and after going off to college I pretty much forgot everything and am back to sounding out melodies with just my right hand
>tfw I tried to learn Japanese in college, but only crammed the kanji right before the quizzes, pretty much failed out of most of my classes, and have forgotten almost everything except for the kana and a few random phrases
Why do threads like these about people with impressive skills have to remind me of how much of a failure I am at every skill I've ever attempted? And yes, I'm fully aware that it's all entirely the fault of my own lack of motivation, which shows no signs of ever abating for the rest of my life. /blogshit
>>134921153
I don´t get it.
>>134924512
that pic... wasn't that a thread for making homemade "cristals", a long time ago?
kek
>>134923842
Are a SAIKO SHIRO who does 100 pushups 100 situps?
>>134924583
If you want to fuck keions you need to fuck an old man and his skeleton first.
>>134924512
iktf
How into motivation?
>>134924583
To fuck cute girls, you must first fuck old man and skeleton.
>>134924583
She is so perfect.
>>134924707
Just have good memory and imagination, get praised by others for your quick progress and skills. It's fun when it's easy and everyone is jelly. Just try it.
I spent 1k hours trying to get good at drawing and had incredible teachers and I was still no better than a talented toddler at art. Shit is something you either have a knack for or you don't.
>>134923947
shit/10
Even ZUN draws better.
Remind me again why /i/ is dead?
JUST DO IT
>>134924512
Sounds like you don't even know how to put effort into goals. Every single thing sounded like you set a goal and expected the skills to magically come to you just because it's good enough that you have your sights on something, and then you got disappointed when you got the TOUZEN NO KEKKA DESU and can't man up to take responsibility that you failed yourself. What the hell did you expect? Recognizing that it's your own fault is one thing, but actually doing something about it is what you critically lack.
>>134923947
Did you actually think this looked good? This is awful. Read up on anatomy and proportions.
Drew this in HS, was it good?
>>134924691
How do you fuck a skeleton?
>>134924978
Traced/10
>>134924908
Poorly done abdomen and legs. The guy only learned arms
>>134924978
It's shit.
You copied existing art. There's no louder sign than pen/pencil sketches consisting of broken lines scratched together with no proportion guidelines in sight.
Go doodle some moe girls in different poses without more than glancing at some reference art and get a feel for having lines come from your hands in natural, long strokes.
>HS
So you're just barely in college now?
>>134925076
This, I was about to say the crotch/legs in >>134924908 look really weird. The groin doesn't end that high above the thighs (or the thighs don't balloon out that low).
>>134921629
Jej
>>134924467
I have no time to extensively practice art anymore nowadays, unfortunately. I used to be able to fill up a 100-sheet sketchpad in 1 year, but now between work and household obligations, the measly free time I get is further splintered by other hobbies and chores. I'm lucky to fill a 50-sheet sketchpad in 3 years now.
>>134925021
No.
>>134925084
From where was this copied? Seriously. I'm no artist, I just did pencil to pen. I want to see your art, elitist.
This shit is too hard. How is it even possible to learn all those things. You got books with thousands of pages just about anatomy and you need to know how to draw million other things if you want to be good.
>>134921786
So where's your drawings, faggot?
>>134925239
Is that a copy of some Kantoku?
There is alot of different things to learn in drawing. There is technique which is physically learning how to draw and make it come out the way you intend, there is anatomy and life drawing to understand what things really look like so you can draw them realistically without a reference, and there is theory and composition to understand how you set up a shot changes our perception and emotional response to the shot.
There is also art history so you can understand the context and characteristics of different styles. There is also practical experience which leads to speed and consistency in work.
>>134925239
It looks traced because your lines are ugly as shit but the shape is decent.
>>134924978
>>134925239
I'm getting Kantoku flashbacks from those pictures.
>>134925304
It's not a copy, but I can see the resemblance.
>>134925333
Oh, well they are ugly lines. I'm a scientist, not an artist.
>>134921153
>mfw CIA_sketch.jpg
>>134925269
Depends on your mindset, I think. Anyone can git gud, that's the great part, but how long that takes is up to the individual. The more you stress the amount to learn and the time it'll take, the more daunting it seems, but if you train cyclically I don't think it's too bad..
>>134921153
So, first I need to die to become a little girl?
>>134925393
With practice your lines can get less sketchy and you'll be able to create the line you want in a single smooth stroke. Its just part of developing your technique.
Can someone here draw actually nice looking dicks?
>>134925560
Only censored ones.
>>134921875
>>134922079
The muscles are fine. Agreed on the face though.
>>134923285
Pretty good!
>>134924908
>>134925076
>>134925119
>skipping leg day
>>134925560
I would think vagina is tougher due to lack of self-reference
>>134923285
You have a really great sense of proportion! Could I ask how you got so good at it?
>>134921153
Dr Pavel, I'm SKETCH
>>134925560
I wish artists would learn to draw nice, realistic ones, instead of always making them huge and often weirdly-shaped. Penis for me is very important in hentai.
>>134921153
Bullshit/10
>>134925008
It's not that hard. It's spooky, but possible.
>>134925802
>>134925560
In my experience, I've found that men are a lot better at drawing dicks than women. It's probably due to ease of self-reference, but when Japanese women draw dicks, most resemble bare test tubes with no detail and not at all sexually pleasing to the eye.
Damn, I thought an entirely different thing before reading through the first few comments.
I thought "To become a cute anime lesbian you must first step outside your flesh and blood body."
>>134925895
>self reference
then why aren't all penises 4 inches? :^)
>>134925903
No, you need to get rid of your skeleton to become 2d.
>people complain about trivial shit
Fampais...
>>134921153
Like 80% true. You don't have to be able to go as detailed as the right from memory but you do need a basic understanding of anatomy and perspective.
>>134925731
There's always porn.
To draw a good cooch/vagina, I recommend shaving yourself first and get a feel of how it's really a squishy mound that hangs a little further down than you think. It's not perfectly pointed or rounded but changes shape, stretching and opening, depending on where the thighs are.
>>134921875
Good body, terrible face. You need to study more moe.
>>134925949
Because japs can still dream.
>>134921153
Id say it pretty true but i only have anecdotal evidence.
>>134926032
why the fuck would you do that when you can just look it up on the internet
>>134925789
Practice. I started around 15 years ago. See >>134925207
I don't push myself though. I just draw what I like and I don't intend to sell or start a dedicated website for my art.
>>134926089
Because then you can pose yourself perfectly in the ways you want and study how muscle/fat/skin stretches in subtly different positions and angles.
>>134923351
i like the line quality in this- any idea what program this is drawn in?
>>134926310
i understand that for regular stuff but it seems really dumb for lewd stuff
>>134926390
>really_poor_erogame_art_of_girl_bent_in_odd_position_and_dick_out_of_nowhere.jpg
You'll most likely need to get the basics down first before going full-out lewd. it sucks to be completely turned off halfway through an ero scene when the bodies morph into broken messes.
>talented at shit I don't care about
>no talent for shit I actually like
What kind of cruel joke is this?
>>134926508
so you expect the artist to setup a mirror infront of him/herself while getting gangbanged?
seems like a dumb method tbqh
>>134925959
B-but I don't have a skeleton.
>>134921153
the left one isnt anything super amazing so not really
>>134926561
You could use reference photos.
Or pose your little wooden mannequins in little wooden gangbangs.
>>134923947
You are definitely an ass man, since the butt looks like it took the most effort.
>>134926728
that's what i said senpai
>>134921153
600% the truth.
People say that you gotta learn how to draw before you can learn how to un-draw; there's no sense in parroting shit like "muh stylization" or "muh exaggeration" if you have no clue how these objects's you're stylizing and exaggerating look like naturally.
Even hackjob psychos like Picasso or Botero studied anatomy extensively before they purposefuly fucked it up in their paintings. Not to mention painting techniques, use of color and light to make volume, etc.
I mean, check this simple Wokada pic I lifted off a booru. Wokada has a very simple, clean style and a very light use of color, but his use of it, plus previous knowledge of the human figure let him do whatever the fuck he wants and make it look nice.
Most all people that jump the gun on the hard work and start straight into drawing "animu style" tend to draw in symbols rather than making volume through shapes. You're not implying a nose, you're making a dot and calling it quits; those aren't titties, those are two half-circles you drew. They don't have an idea on how to make a body and then stylize it into a drawing, they're just chicken-scratching their way into flat, dull shapes in flat, dull poses
Which manga/doujin artist is the most technically proficient?
Good stylized art (a style developed by aesthetic taste, and not a form of compensate for a lack of actual drawing skill, or just copied from someone else) is almost always rooted in technical knowledge of the craft.
But that's definitely not the case of OP's pic.
>Can draw naked figures fine, great even
>So bad at drawing clothes it's embarassing, shit looks fucking tacked on and flat no matter how hard I try
not caring for technical shit is the exact reason I became a board artist and not a character designer.
fuck that.
reminder sage goes into options field for non anime related blog shit
>>134927396
try drawing some pieces of cloth or your bedsheets or some shit anon
>>134927396
you keep practicing it, damn it. there is no other way for you to get better at it.
>>134927396
Post them.
>>134922206
No anon your faces aren't bad. It's just your unique style, so don't go copy another artist's style just because people tell you it's disgusting
>>134924978
nice job idiot you drew it sideways
>>134927357
This could make for a good "West vs East" image until someone figures it out.
>>134923947
Needs improvement but I can tell your heart is in the right place.
>>134924707
watch a sports anime or something where the guy gets good at something, you'll get motivated for abit.
>>134927111
Rustle
>>134928283
in the ass?
>>134925393
Being a scientist has no bearing at being good at art. I know scientists and engineers that are good at art, sports, music, etc. Either spend the time to get good or don't pull shit like that out of your ass.
>>134928818
are you autistic by chance?
>>134928818
He was just saying he wasn't an artist, it could've been anything
"Im a _____, not an artist" is what mattered.
What substances makes you focus better, anons? Caffeine and nicotine gives me at least a little edge.
It's okay to copy when learning isn't it? As long as you aren't straight out tracing.
>>134929536
Anything is ok if you can learn from it.
>>134929449
adderall is basically cheating
>>134929449
Watching an episode of anime or showering usually gets my thoughts together and me all pumped.
>>134927396
Keep practicing. Don't be afraid to use references to study different types of cloths.
>>134921153
That's two different kinds of art, Anonymous. That's like saying in order to become good with a paintbrush, you first need to be a great with a colored pencil.
>>134921153
According to /ic/ yes anime is the highest level of artistry, especially to capture moe.
God bless japan.
>>134921989
Please tell me some example. For artistic research purposed
>>134921786
>>134921153
yes and no. the reason you should learn realism is because you can than abstract it yourself as you know what's there, its part of making your style.
with manga, or visual novels, its painfully obvious which ones know how to draw realism and which ones only know anime because of how bad the ones who dont look. there area lot of concepts that go into making a traditional figure good, that also translate to making a manga style character good too.
do you need that level of proficiency to draw manga or anime good, fuck no. but the concepts to make your characters look better are easier to learn traditionally than it is through manga style.
>>134921786
>6 hours later
Is he ever going to post?
>>134924045
10000 hours to mastery is kind of proven, however when it comes to art, you are able to clearly be taught wrong and get stuck improving easier than most other fields.
>>134925442
this one?
>>134921153
Can't hurt to learn it, right?
>>134922409
if you can do lines traditionally and got something to scan or take a good picture with, in photoshop, go to filters and dick around with palet knife tool, that will make traditional lines into fairly clean digital ones and will get you by so long as you are not a perfectionist.
>>134922171
those aren't artists, most of the older non conceptual artists could do some amount of realism that would be good, probably on par with op image but not as clean, but somewhere in the early 1900's academic art got taken over by people paying big money and not wanting to put the work in to become artists, they dont want to put the work in, they dont want to get better, they want to throw shit at a wall and see what sticks.
if i remember right, russia never had this issue, so you see a great deal of proficient artists come from there while in the west you see mostly conceptual bullshit, mind you im not talking concept art for games or movies, i mean the "i farted out a paint filled egg from my cunt and it fell on a piece of paper... art!" people.
>>134922246
so does for shortening, perspective, and how to abstract, than there is also color theory... so much shit you learn traditionally helps immensely.
Poor animation is typically the result of drawing people based on PICTURES of people
Amateurs tend to use their minds eye
>>134925993
I clicked that and now I regret it.
>>134923031
its not weabshits, its the "mah style" as you can critique a realism piece, but the moment you make anything abstracted, its now an argument if you abstracted it good, or at all and its not just you suck.
fact is we cant help you if you can defend everything you draw with "its mah stile" so usually unless you already have a base to work off of, working in a style is discouraged.
>>134921153
yuiazu best pairing
>>134931820
google watts, dude makes a living off of teaching you how to use a charcoal pencil like a paintbrush, so when you finally move onto painting, you have transferable skill.
>>134921153
artfag here, it doesnt really work like that. When you learn an instrument you don't need to know how to play classics to be able to play themes... As long as you understand the concepts you can draw almost anything.
>>134921153
It's more of understanding the body anatomy and human skeleton.The more you understand how the body actually works, you can avoid QUALITY artwork.
You don't really have to draw realistic people, but if you can more power to you.
>>134923351
Good shit.
Fucking saved.
>>134924512
>>134924707
Motivation is a fickle bitch. You'll have it and then it'll just disappear. Self discipline is what you guys need. And that is what makes men great.
>>134924945
i find the issue is instant gratification.
take piano, sure if you were reasonably good from the get go, it would be fun to practice, but its not.
drawing, in my case i shit my skill away from 10 years of inuse, relearning is fucking painful, but i remember it was fun when i was good.
learning a language is a motherfucker till you get over the hurdle of basic conversation, than you can add to you knowledge base through context.
take a look at a game like rocksmith, that gives you the instant gratification of a game, a measureable "im this good now" gauge, and you dont spend years dicking around with not songs... if everything was like this, you wouldnt need school because people would want to learn on their own.
>>134921153
I don't get it. I have to be a bald skeleton guy to be reincarnated as a 2D lesbian?
>implying you need to know all this shit to know how to draw
literally drew this shit in 15 minutes and it's basically pro level, r u impressed? of course you are
>>134935627
yee
>>134925269
with anatomy, you only need to know the major forms, and know where the minor forms should be, if you know that (easily remembered knowledge) than you will go far, only suffering when you do realism at a masters level.
what you need to know for anatomy is really a lot less than books make it out to be. sure, at some point you will want to know all the names and insertions, but to draw them, you dont need to know any of that shit, just know what you see on the surface.
alot of art is like this, the books tell you a masters level of knowledge but to draw them you need far less than that.
>>134925560
from scratch... no, when i was still in practice i never took an interest in nudes as there was no way to hide it from parents or teachers, when i was out of school, i had shit to do and shit my skills away... the most i ever did was handled the redrawing of dicks for some hentai group that folded... i can proudly say you wouldn't know they were censored at all.
>>134928818
scientists tend to be able to do technical drawings and aspects that are rooted in math very good, but when it comes to style they kind of flail around.
>>134929536
racing can teach you too... its just hard for amateurs to do it right and skilled people have no use for tracing at all.
>>134934323
problem is, with an instrument most people can tell something is wrong by sound, but art, you usually need to look at shit in a mirror to see you fucked up, especially when you are new, our mind has a way of tricking us into thinking something isn't as fucked up as it looks.
>>134927111
Inoue Kiyoshirou without a doubt.
>>134936041
Its interesting you say that, humans can tell when something is off naturally when they look at another human. This is why we can have the uncanny effect. With basic understanding of human anatomy creation, foreshortening and shapes, any newbie can produce figures that look ok. If you keep working on them, they will come together better each time. With instruments its just different in that sense of wrong, you don't make it sound wrong but you might be playing it wrong, tempo and etc.. but regardless I understand, every artist has their problems that they developed and can't see.
>>134923285
She's really cute
>>134936041
The quick way to tell if something's off about your own art is to mirror (horizontally flip) the image. Somehow that gets the mind to see the inaccuracies that it can't in the picture's original orientation.
Sage because I just like the legs on pic related. Facial features/arms are fucked.
Elitist bullshit on anatomy kept me from making any real attempts at art for the longest time. Just started practicing because I wanted to make a game with something better than shitty programmer art and I'm surprised by how easily I can make something that I can be happy with. I'm sure /ic/ autists would tear it apart, but it's much more motivating to just draw instead of forcing myself to study art history/theory.
>>134923695
Guess I'm not going to sleep tonight
>>134921153
I went straight to the abstract manga style.
Also practically skipped pencil & paper for tablet.
I never know what I'm doing.
Send help.
>>134923842
Which manga do you star in?
Rate my waifu
>>134936890
Post your game, fag.
>>134932939
anything Higenamuchi
>>134937082
My fucking nigger.
>>134921153
How true is this?
>>134936997
lum/10
>>134937048
Its not even close to finished yet. Having shitty stick figure art was getting really demotivating, so I recently started spending some time on improving the art.
>>134937278
Do you just like make game?
>>134921875
I like the body but I feel that since the shading is kind of realistic the anime looking face just doesn't match
>>134937186
I feel like the picture would be a lot less confusing if the head was rotated and repositioned.
Plus some anon sort of figured out what was supposed to be happening to the bodies in the picture.
>>134936923
Don't use tablet until you have good control over pencil/paper? Then again, I find drawing on the tablet to be like learning hand-eye coordination all over again, so I may be biased.
>>134922104
This guy knows what's up.
>>134937410
I feel like it would be less confusing if you removed the bottom left. What the fuck am I looking at?
>>134937186
Reverse image search leads to a jap thread full of QUALITY h scenes. Wish I could post more of them.
>>134927111
Imizu?
>>134923285
cute, would fap to if in lewd pose
>>134937517
>Then again, I find drawing on the tablet to be like learning hand-eye coordination all over again
No kidding. Paper vs. tablet really are completely different ways of using your hands and eyes, not just things like learning to look away from your hand as you draw, but also stuff like the length of lines you draw in a single stroke or how you plan out adding and subtracting lines.
I was surprised to find that even after putting the tablet down for several years, I didn't have to go through the learning curve all over again to pick it back up.
>only thing stopping me from making games and VNs is that I can't draw for shit
>like, I'm even worse than ZUN and RS07
>still can never motivate myself to practice
The worst part is I'm pretty good about forming daily routines, I write and study moon every day, but I just can't get excited about drawing.
>>134922104
It's also a level cap. Low talent = low level cap.
>>134936350
you see it all the time in art, its why people, especially animators have a small pocket mirror as a required tool, its something you only experience if you make the art yourself, for some reason even when shit is fucked, your brain will correct it, i'm sure you hear of it a lot, people who love their art one day, come back a few days later and they find out its all shit.
with an instrument, you can tell almost immediately upon listening back that you fucked up somewhere, you may not be able to pinpoint what you did wrong but you know it.
>>134936890
i tell people constantly to never post personal work, just shit they practice on and are ok with it getting ripped appart.
with anatomy, you want to know the major forms, what i mean by that is any muscle you can see on someone whose job requires physical activity, but they dont care to much about losing excess fat, minor forms are muscles that show up on someone who doesn't take serious but cut every ounce of fat they could have off of their body.
the major forms are ones every one knows, and if they are off, everyone can tell, minor are ones you can play with because normal people dont know what they should look like to be correct so them just being there is enough.
getting better a little at a time is fun, at least when you aren't retreading ground you already covered... always stay in practice.
>>134936923
>>134937517
>>134937969
i personally could never get us to a tablet for drawing, you want me to ink or paint sure, but just draw?
that said, learn traditionally first, and move on to digital when you are ready for color, you may be able to get by with a tablet, you may require a monitor, 60-500$ and there you go, but traditional is where you should start.
>>134937984
its that you dont have a self critiqueable ability for art yet, and its hard to see the improvemnets. tyr drawing 1 hour a day for a weeks and start and end the week with the same image, that may motivate you when you see progress
>>134938143
no, anyone can learn to draw at the level of a master with effort, the real question is if they have anything to tell. do you have a story you want to get out? will you ever be creative on your own or will you forever be derivative?
that said, skill in and of itself is a marketable thing, people always have a demand for realism.
>>134936923
It took me years to get used to drawing with a tablet. All the effort is wasted now that I have a cintiq though.
>>134927111
Yoshikadu?
It's how he can draw those insane action scenes and super lewds.
>>134938143
Nah. A talentless person and a talented person can both create the exact same piece of art, the only difference is in how much time and effort they have to put into it.
>>134938228
>traditional is where you should start.
Yes, not in the least because I've seen plenty of people waste money on a fancy-ass tablet, only to decide they're not very interested in drawing after all.
>draw something
>looks good
>flip it horizontally
>looks like shit
EVERY TIME
I love this thread! We should do this more often, yes?
How does one get faster at drawing? I'm not talking about improving faster, I mean when you're already good but you're just slow as fuck
>>134938551
Holy shit this, it's as if people think getting a fancy gadget will automatically make them skilled at something. It almost only works out with something purely physical, like getting a vegetable chopper. YOU bring the skill to the tool, the tool does not make you better.
My roommate bought a super-nice $$$ Wacom Intuos tablet for drawing his original characters. I've never seen him do anything with it.
>>134938780
Draw more so that the lines and shapes become rote exercise instead. You can challenge yourself to 10-minute or even 1- or 5-minute quick sketches and no more time than that. Set a stopwatch and do 2-3 of those in a row. Stop and drop your pen when your time is up and do not go any further. There's no magical way to get faster except stepping out of your comfort zone little by little and pushing yourself to see what you can do.
Now if you get tendonitis or something, that's pretty much your limit.
>>134938780
Timed drawings, maybe? Give yourself only a few minutes to draw as much as you can.
You're making me want to go reread Kakukaku Shikajika.
>>134938780
Practice is the only thing that will speed up your process, practice is the only thing that will make you better, there is no such thing as talent.
>>134921153
I'd say it depends. Learning traditional will help to an extent, but depending on the artist sometimes just starting with abstraction may be faster. Practicing mechanical skills is important, but affinity of the artist does affect what they can produce sometimes.
is this a post your art thread
>>134939207
Why is she crying.
>>134939103
>there is no such thing as talent.
It's already been mentioned in the thread, but talent could be defined as having a particularly steady hand, or a good memory, or a good eye for measuring sizes and spaces. It doesn't have to mean "instant magical drawing talent," but there are little things that add up to make the learning process easier for some than others.
>>134939244
i dunno it's what the commission wanted
>>134939207
Tone down the the nose, it's too western.
>>134939207
I dont know how to draw anime.
>>134939244
Her skirt's too short and it doesn't cover her big butt.
>>134939301
I saw your worked on /ic/, m8. I even have some of it saved in my /ic/ folder.
>>134939336
it's ok family, i don't either
>>134921153
To obtain yuri one must become a skeleton?
>>134938143
Maybe it's like an exp curve, some start decent but can't getmuch better, others work hard and do great, others still work hard but still fail.
>>134921153
>to be able to be a cute lesbian you must first become a man who only wears underwear and can skeleton himself
>>134939336
I only know how to draw anime.
>>134938302
>>134938484
That's bullshit. Someone without the talent will never be a master just like someone with <90 IQ will never be a physicist.
>>134939447
But that still doesn't mean someone without talent can't make good art.
>>134921153
I thought the implication of the picture was:
"before you get to cuddle with the moes you have to become a skeleton"
>>134939447
You can get smarter, you know that right?
>>134939447
Not with that attitude they wont.
>>134937186
I just can't see what the fuck is going on here. It's like your average Nurutu or One Piss panel.
>>134939447
Short of being a savant, talent means NOTHING.
>>134939364
whoa that's wild
i'm actually so flattered, i don't know what to say
i just kind of draw dumb weeb shit for fun
also, u don't need talent at all to "master" anything. the only thing talent dictates is how fast you progress.
>>134938228
I have this problem where I'm 'ok' at drawing with a paper and pencil but can't really find references and poses online so I feel kind of shitty when I copy parts of another persons drawing because they have the pose I wanted to draw. You or anyone know where I can find like a huge dump of reference material online?
>>134939513
To a point. Everyone has a different brain and different capabilities.
>>134939529
Feel good bullshit.
>>134921153
I'm a professional artist and I can answer this.
If you want to have actual freedom in your art, be it heavily stylized or not you need to get to a certain point. You can probably manage drawing both left and right in a week if you just want to do one single picture right.
If you're able to do left or right with complete freedom and restrictions you can pick up the other one relatively quickly. This skill exists in many variations. One colleague of mine can copy any artstyle, he is basically the archer of drawing when it comes to that. I didn't learn the fundamentals to that perfection though, barely any professional I know did it. It's actually hard as fuck and only the most perceptive and creative people can train for that.
>>134939548
Is it possible to make this much progress with a full time job or are you a student/artist by trade?
>>134939555
"Good artists copy, great artists steal."
>>134939555
Maybe get one of those posable figurines?
>>134921723
You need both nigga.
>No talent, no practice = not an artist
>Practice, no talent = Shitty artist
>Talent, no practice = Okay artist.
>Practice and talent = Good artist.
>>134939548
Post the astronaut girl please.
Also is the bunny girl Tewi?
>>134939596
Can you squeeze in 2 hours a day? You don't have to do it at the same time. You'd be amazed home much time could be spent drawing if you squeeze it in here and there.
>>134939548
>i just kind of draw dumb weeb shit for fun
Well you're obviously good at what you do.
Makes one wonder what happens when you don't draw dumb weeb shit and get serious.
>>134938551
>>134938784
oh no, thats not the reason to start traditional, though it is valid
the reason to start traditional is because we have, over the course of hundreds of thousands of years, put medium on media in every way shape and form that it can be put down, there is nothing new, no new techniques, no new tricks that weren't known before, everything to know has been done, explored, and compiled into at the very least books, digital though, in 5 years the way you draw digitally could radically change to the point you are starting over again.
its better to gain base skills on a platform that wont change.
that said, color is FAR better to learn digitally just by virtue of its cheaper, 1 bottle of paint that's less than 100ml could cost you 7-10$ whereas digitally, even if you buy the highest end cintiq it will overall be cheaper than learning it traditionally.
>>134939659
This guy gets it.
>>134939596
To be an expert you gotta put the time in, ~10k hours senpai.
>>134922104
Maybe in art but in science talent means also a higer maximum level. Art can go in million directions so it's hard to compare but I guess it's save to say that not anyone can gain the highest technical level.
>>134922206
>>134921875
You do that thing where you over-develop one part of your art at the expense of the rest. When this happens the only solution is to start over. Unless your art agrees with itself, it's gonna look wrong.
>>134939659
It's usually less about not having talent and more about being oblivious as to how shitty their art is. You see a lot of artists out there that make it to a certain point and then stop improving or innovating. The really shitty ones stop improving before they get good and somehow manage to continue with their shitty style with great consistency.
>>134939548
>i just kind of draw dumb weeb shit for fun
My life goal is to draw my waifu, anon.
>>134939596
You could do it for sure while holding down a full time job. Just make sure that you practice efficiently-- practice without direction won't help you make progress.
>>134939674
yeah it is tewi from a long time ago
here
>>134939684
i take my dumb weeb shit pretty seriously since it's what i want to draw. i definitely really love making art a lot but it's not something i'm interested in making my livelihood.
>>134939548
Well said. After all, "talent is a pursued interest".
Why aren't you drawing right now, /a/?
>>134921153
his arms and legs are not proportional to torso and head, either that or he just has a huge head and tall legs
Most mangakas are self taught and have huge gaps in theoretical knowledge
for instance this guy never learned about horizon/eye level and oda can't draw feet
Most manga artists have poor art. Often the characters are the only acceptable thing, even if it's barely. The rest like composition, backgrounds and the like they completely don't give a fuck about.
Also fuck sfx, the idea to write out sounds is retarded to begin with.
>>134921153
100% true
>>134939857
>being this retard
>>134939992
Oh fuck
Weeaboos will get mad but the fact is western mangakas are just better trained and typically go through a "classical" education, and have better technical skills/knowledge of anatomy and perspective.
This doesn't mean their art is more attractive though. Western comics usually put me off in fact.
>>134921153
I think it's true, but where would anyone learn this besides college?
>>134940063
Have you accepted Andrew Loomis as your Lord and Savior at the church of /ic/?
>>134938780
first off, with skill comes speed, either because you can put down the lines you want accurately, or you have developed muscle memory to the point you can draw fast...
if you want an exercise, draw a straight line, curved lines, wave lines, and trace them, do this just a little faster than you are comfortable with, its the best way to improve speed.
>>134939255
talent and prodigy are things that only applies to kids, because once you hit adulthood, a year or two age difference isn't that big a deal, and hard work in the end always trumps talent.
unless you have legit disabilities everything can be learned that would take you to the top.
>>134939596
draw everyday to not lose skill is more improtant than time you draw.
>>134939698
not really, i would honestly say you want to get good to the point you dont hate your shit is more important than master, and thats a 3 month of hard work, or year long of few hours here and there to get to. once you dont hate your shit anymore its easier to find time to draw because you enjoy it.
>>134939778
full time implies 8 hours 5 days a week or 10 hours 4 days, that gives you 6-4 hours a day free time (depending on commute, i would look into carpooling or public transport so you can get sketch book time in to and from) and 2/3 days of 16 hours
you could easily get good on a full time job, the issue is your will power to do it, you need to draw through the burnout and draw through the i dont want to draw today moods, something most people cant get over.
>>134939773
my only goal is to get to the point i dont hate what i make again...
>>134939447
art is more muscle memory and practice than anything else, someone without and innate skill for perspective will need to consciously correct that, art in and of itself isn't hard, and behind every good art is thousands of bad ones, no one got to where they are on talent, its all hard work.
>>134939772
It's very much possible to train a shit style in a way that just re-enforces the shit. Go to deviantart and look up some "Improvement meme" pieces where people draw the same OC in the same pose several years latter. Often it's even more profoundly worse because where it was once just sloppy and ill conceived, now it's been refined into abomination.
That's also one of the reasons learning real anatomy is important even if you just want to draw 2d waifus. It teaches you how to know when something looks "weird" and how to fix it. Because "Weirdness" is so subjective, there is no real easy way to teach it without a lot of work. You need to know how reality works before you can improve on it. The Pig Disgusting 3d world is something you need to confront and overcome before you can make your perfect 2d waifu real.
>>134939845
Just drawing is poor efficiency. Before I try 10 hours to draw a circle and a few lines or any other hard forcing shit I rather take a few hours for a good strategy, try it out for a few hours, analyze my practice and go back refining my startegy. If I think about how some people really learn anatomy trough slowly drawing all parts and stupid shit like that instead of mnemonics and forceful visualization to help out your mind in the most efficient way I can only recommend changing your strategy.
>>134935170
May I así the name of the book from wich this image is?
>>134940048
No one will get mad. There are only a handful of skillful artists among mangaka. 90% are complete trash. The best educated people are actually animators. Makes me wonder why there aren't any crowdfunded comics/manga of good artists.
Seems like the japs are just more persistent in general. Their rigid education system seems to be good at encouraging that.
>>134940313
It's incredibly sad how some of the most technically proficient artists are relegated to low-level mook jobs while all the most wildly popular artists in Japan are all shitty Pixiv retards who can't draw an anatomically correct girl to save their life.
>>134940048
>western mangakas
Excuse me?
>>134939578
that's why we have tools to help, you know why people dont become physicists enmass? a fucking garbage man gets paid more.
it has nothing to do with being smart, though legitimate disabilities will hold you back, its all about motivation and interest, and stem isn't interesting to most people.
here... you know how math gets harder and harder the further you went along in school? at some point people just dont want to do the puzzles anymore, and give up.
with art its the same, you will hit a wall, and most people give up because they dont get the instant gratification anymore, the problem is with art, that wall to where you will get stuck is quite a bit lower than other areas, so you see a fuck ton of shit art, and than you see people who post their good shit only... they dont show that thousands high stack of 18x24 paper they have in their corner they practiced on.
most people who try art always have a backup in just in case, and everyone with a back up went for that backup because its easier to do than figure out what was wrong with the art. while people who only have art work through those problems.
if you have a job that requires a real skill you likely hit one or two of those roadblocks too.
>>134939698
That's a bad meme and it needs to die. Everyone is different. Some people learn faster, and some people never learn.
This should not however, be taken to mean that practice is worthless.It's just that the 10k hours thing gives people unrealistic expectations and will either discourage them, or set them up for failure.
You have to accept that you might be one of those idiots who never learns, or you might be a prodigy who can pick up a pen and shit out great works one after another, but unless you fully embrace artistry you will never get anywhere. You need to enjoy your art, but you also need to understand that making really good art will require you to get out of your comfort zone, and accept the possibility of making something that sucks.
If this seems like a contradiction to you, you have to realize that all the great artists are literally insane. Normies who demand everything make perfect sense will never be able to make art.
>>134939548
>>134939778
Might sound stupid but how did you get better exactly? Like, what did you practice and what not?
>>134940429
I wonder about this too. Doujins are often way better drawn than most non erotic manga. Especially their anatomy skills are lightyears ahead. The same goes for heavy ecchi manga and the like. It's actually pathetic how most manga look. Especially when you consider that the writing isn't even original and mostly made out of the typical popular tropes.
>>134939845
You caught me! Here I am talking about art but i haven't drawn anything in almost a month.
The creative urge just sort of comes and goes with me. If I knew how to turn it on I'd be a much better artist.
>>134940313
I think what's happening is that Japan simply has a better culture/environment for comics that rewards individuality.
Think about it. All the big hit mangas have stories and art that comes from one single person, at most a duo. The mangaka might not be the most technically proficient artist or a good writer, but it's his individuality that shines through.
>>134940551
I have this weird and shitty feeling where I have no idea what I want to draw so I don't get any better
Send help
>>134921153
That's like saying you need to be able to write high literature if you want to write a trashy incest LN. I bet LN writer is the dream job for most otaku. You don't need to have any skills, the most popular works are all complete trash.
>>134940428
Persistence > Talent
Every animu teaches you this.
>>134921153
what the fuck?
>>134921153
Completely False.
You can use models to pose. That's why many manga supply shops in Japan are carrying this item.
>>134939924
What are you talking about, of course it implies that you are spending the time working on your craft and not drawing some random shit over and over again.
>>134940519
Just draw everything you see in your sketchbook, there are websites that give 1minute figures for gesture drawing. do master copies of artists you admire, It is all about learning about form, and how light interacts with it.
>>134940656
My problem is the things I want to draw rarely lays within the realm of my ability. I just get frustrated and give up to easily because I know more about what's wrong with my art than how to improve it.
>>134940715
Sure you meant to reply to me?
>Aesthetic/plastic surgeon
>Naturally anatomy is not a problem for me, I thought this would make it easy for me
>Been trying to learn how to draw for years
>Can't get past the construction with the basic shapes
I must have brain problems because I absolutely have no idea how in the world you draw something with cylinders and spheres.
This is how every single manual/book looks to me >>134938551
>>134940667
What you don't realize is that behind those trash works are millions of even trashier failed works that never even got their foot in the door.
>>134921153
This is just an /ic/ meme
>>134940693
The BLAME model is better looking, and hard to obtain/expensive as fuck.
>>134940753
If you were the 10k hours is a meme guy then yeah.
>>134940773
What you don't realize is that among those "trashier works" were probably some pretty damn good ones that were just unique and didn't use the popular tropes.
>>134940876
But none of the posts you replied to mention something of the like.
>>134940429
>>134940541
That's because most technically proficient artists aren't really creative enough to produce interesting art. Just look at Doujins, most of them have even worse writing than the original source, regardless of the drawings. Think about how fanfiction tends to be bad, and how we have a lot of talented artists who make fanart but rarely if ever make their own art. They might fool themselves into thinking it is because they aren't interested in doing original content, but the truth is that they never managed to create in their minds anything better they would think it is worth drawing.
>>134940836
Wait I guess it's biomega not blame.
>>134939845
Because I'm job hunting and if I get a hobby I can get engrossed in, I'll stop caring about finding work.
>>134940941
Well I thought I checked my post and it linked to that one, guess I'm just retarded senpai.
>>134940903
>What you don't realize is that among those "trashier works" were probably some pretty damn good ones that were just unique and didn't use the popular tropes.
Uh huh, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
A glass half-full and all that.
>>134940519
Pretty much I tried to look at the things I did analytically and plan my attack from there. If you're unsure what you need to work on you can try doing this:
Pick a picture you really like.
Try to copy it.
After you finish, compare your picture to their picture.
What couldn't you do?
Now you know what to work on.
Doing studies to strengthen your fundamentals in combination with studying other people's works will help move you in the right direction, I think. If it wasn't obvious, I was completely new to color basically at the beginning of 2015. I just watched a bunch of videos of people painting and read color theory tutorials, from there I experimented on my own trying to emulate styles that inspired me.
It's hard to say for sure what you need to do exactly but pretty much it's just making the distinction between practice and training. You can practice things over and over but if you never really look at it analytically and apply it in the way you want, it won't really mean much. Kind of like how practicing how to throw a baseball is important but what's arguably more important is knowing when to throw the ball in the context of the game.
I like AS109 and Alphonse (white datura) a lot so I look at their art while I draw usually.
>>134940951
They can just work together with a writer. It's not like those are rare.
>>134939845
CTS, decades of computer use killed my dream of drawing cute lesbian girls.
>tfw you really CAN'T learn to draw now
>manga in japan
>made by one self taught person, jack of all trades master of none at most
>western comics
>made by team of artists and writers
>in color
Admit it, the only thing manga has over comics is that you guys like the art style/panel layout/culture more
If manga in japan was made the same way comics are it would be magnitudes better
>>134941003
Are you seriously implying that publishers don't deny often unconventional interesting stories in favor of the more mainstream work? Sadly reality is not a manga story where quality and creativity are appreciated and valued accordingly.
>>134939555
you would want to search for reference photos
google "art nude reference" and that will get you a long way, you can also go to torrent sites and look for art refrence galleries,
>>134940200
realism can be critiqued.
>>134940313
there are so few animators they source out to hobbyists.
>>134940429
>>134940541
technical proficiency in and of itself wont sell a story, though it gets people to take a look.
well...
shoujo and its offshoots all have a retarded style that's so entrenched you cant avoid it.
shonen relies alot on composition rather than the art itself... well composed stick figures can look better than poorly composed finished drawings.
than you have senine, which while they have better art overall, they shit the bed on on story 9 times out of ten.
than you have art that relies on being sexy, well... the only way something is sexy is if its drawn good enough you aren't drawn to the fuckups, this typically is accomplished by drawing real people.
and as for art in america's comics... we have people who know jack fucking shit drawing still... technically better? possibly, but aesthetically pleasing, god no.
>>134940951
meh... creating original content is over rated. something you saw or read inspired you to create, you want to create in that universe, or more cynically, pander to that audience. copyright wont let you do that for money, but its still fun to build off an already established canon. granted it can be cringe when people self insert into something that doesn't lend itself to self inserting.
>>134940063
art books for one
if you are willing to pay there are a number of sites that offer massive master level classes or instruction for relatively little, nma, gnomen, watts are a few.
piecemealing youtube videos.
>>134940201
study smart, never turn your brain off and mindlessly copy, that's a key.
>>134941011
You know that bit about >What couldn't you do? actually kind of spurs me to try that. Thanks.
>>134940681
every time you call someone who is good at something talented, unless they are narcissistic, they want to murder you on the spot
>>134941106
IDK, lots of western comics have super low production values and godawful writing. There is shit manga out there too, but they manage to have more quality through more quantity. Manga is a bigger medium so it's harder for somebody like Liefield to dominate the market.
>>134941106
I like about manga that it's not 90% super hero shit. It's still the biggest comic industry so even if 90% are shit there are still more quality works. And also not that damn superhero fetish with one popular hero getting 5 million spin off comics.
>>134941106
I don't appreciate western comics because I dislike the artstyle.
It is too realistic for my taste. That's all.
>>134939845
I used to draw technical things as a kid, like blueprint-like diagrams. I didn't know anime yet, so I hated looking at and drawing people.
Now my creativity has been destroyed by the computer.
>>134941106
If manga was made the western way it would be even more bogged down by bureaucracy than it already is.
No thank you.
>>134941143
>there are so few animators
This isn't correct. Even veteran animators get paid like shit just because there are so many.
>>134941106
I don't like capeshit.
I don't care about color.
>made by team of artists and writers
Nothing is stopping mangaka from doing this, a lot of them have assistants for backgrounds and shading.
>>134940693
Isn't that basically cheating, though?
What if you have to model a non-human monster? What are you going to do?
>>134941143
>>134940951
Technically proficient drawing and creativity and a sense for marketability are all separate skills.
As long as you have a bare minimum in the former the latter two will carry you much further.
So you have popular artists who run the whole spectrum in technical proficiency. They're popular because they know how to market themselves but since 90% of everything is shit only 10% of those artist can actually draw worth a damn.
>>134941310
Of course your won't have any freedom in drawing if you always use crutches.
>>134941286
There are few animators who actually can animate worth a damn.
Monkeys drawing chicken scratch from South Korea and Vietnam don't count.
>>134941196
The reason why you hate the writing is because Japanese mangas are made the same way books are made. Its much more akin to capitalism.
Some self taught guy comes up with an interesting story. An editor reads his stuff and gives him a chance. If he's successful in the polls he'll get to continue. If not he's cancelled. There's no corporate takeover at any point.
>>134921153
someone tell me who these cuties are RIGHT. NOW
>>134941406
>There's no corporate takeover at any point
It's called the editor.
>>134941308
>>134941241
>I don't appreciate western comics because I dislike the artstyle.
>I don't like capeshit.
Did you read? Those are superficial. Nobody said those have to carry over. Just the production process.
Your mangaka would still be in charge of the work. He'll just have more assistants paid by the studio.
The system right now is that the mangaka has to pay out of his own pockets.
>>134941468
The manga industry is far larger than the comics industry. Why do you think the comic industry is superior? Because it takes more people to make an inferior product?
>>134941106
The color in western comics looks like shit. Colored manga can be pretty good, but it's simply too expensive to do it for all pages.
>>134941468
Wait, so you mean mangaka having more assistants?
Well duh, of course that would be better.
>>134941265
This, the same hero being written by a million different people will lead to the character either being flanderized to hell and back, or taking in ways that completely betray the original concept. The fact that they all have to be stuffed into the same 60 year meta-continuity makes it an even bigger clusterfuck where any attempt at storytelling is sacrificed on the altar of business.
People complain that the Dragonball verse has gotten absurd lately, but it's still leagues more consistent than anything DC has shat out, simply because Akira Toriyama is there to decide what happens. Even if it's just one guy making shit up as he goes, that's better than dozens of writers with different ideas writing around each other over several decades.
Batman and Superman aren't characters, they are just masks worn by several characters who have nothing to do with each other, but Goku has always been Goku.
>>134941308
Lot of manga have a writer and a primary artist, like tu love ru darkness
>>134940292
Sketching Manga Style. One of the very few "how to draw Manga" books that's actually good.
>>134941406
Editors are kinda silly. Their quality varies hugely. There will be editors in the industry that will be a huge reason why a manga got popular in the first place and there may be some editor who may ruin a story. I think most of them barely change anything and merely give some helpful advice so it works out though. For weekly releases a quality check is also kinda necessary.
I kinda would like to see more colored manga. I don't know for sure but I guess the most popular manga like dragonball and one piece exist in color in japan.
Many people dont seem to understand but drawing is mostly like lifting in that it is only developed by constant practice and muscle memory.
you see how you find tutorials of a guy on YT going "its really easy to draw faces guys! just draw a circle, add features, tadaa! a great face in 2 minutes" yet you try his shit and the result is an abomination?
what the guy in the video is not telling you is that he has drawn thousand of faces in most directions countless of times to the point his muscle memory is already telling his hand where to draw the correct lines to develop a good result.
I started lurking and asking artists I admire on twitter and their streams about how they got gud and most of them gave them the same answer
"I just liked to draw and practiced everyday"
>>134941571
>to love ru has a seperate writer
Wow, it really shows in the product.
>>134941660
>30 years
>for that terrible art
>>134941660
Drawing is nothing like lifting in the sense that you just need to repeat a task consistently to become good. Learning to draw involves a million times more creativity and critical thinking.
>>134923680
The essence of anime is based off cartoons, so simply a stick figure in the desired pose, then draw a simple cartoony person on top of those lines.
Basic anime style is easy for anyone who drew at least casually as a kid. Different paths of anime style get harder depending on how detailed and precise character models need to be, but anyone should be able to draw basic anime.
(Sword art online shit style)
>>134940478
its not a meme, the problem is 10k hours to mastery, it's not 10k hours to good like most people interpret it.
>>134940667
define high literature, because i fucking hate everything in school we were forced to read as "classics" with the only one i read willingly being catcher in the rye, even than i didn't think it was good, just more tolerable than most.
>>134941118
maybe in print where they had to take a risk when publishing something, but not digitally anymore.
>>134941310
know anatomy.
>>134940693
that thing specifically if i remember right is around 300$
>>134940768
watch a fucking video than, proko for one, art of wei for another.
>>134941106
color in western comics in nearly all looks like shit, i refuse to call that person talented.
>>134941210
there are a ton of smaller run comics in america, the issue is none of them go to the surface, all that is pushed is superhero shit.
>>134941528
not expensive, time consuming.
cover art for comics are usually the best piece of color on the books, same with manga. sometimes in a comic there will be a few painted pages, than the hack digitall colorer will ruin the fuckin thing.
>>134941286
key animators are in japan, but to animate everything they farm out to cheaper countries, and a few of those places farmed back into japan and got hobbyists to do it.
>>134941580
i argue that none of those fucking books is good, they just hurt you to lesser or greater extents.
>>134941608
they are more or less a stop gap in quality or going off the rails. i would argue most of the time they are an outside perspective and your foot in the door.
>>134941657
nope, and if everything was in color it would either go from a one chapter a week to one chapter a month, or they farm the color out like in america to talentless hacks who ruin the whole fucking thing.
it would also make manga cost more for no real benefit.
Anyone else become bored after a single drawing?
This happens to me and i dont touh drawint until like a month later or feel motivated enough lol
>>134941920
>lol
Fuck off.
>>134941789
no, not really. art takes no creativity whatsoever if you draw from a damn good reference.
>>134941920
>lol
Kill yourself.
>>134940048
Western comics are trash because jews make them.
>>134940428
I just can't believe how he could sit back, watch his finished work and then thought to himself "This is good".
>>134941979
You can dumb it down so much but the fact remains that the learning process for drawing involves a million times more creativity than lifting.
>>134941571
wait, To Love Ru has a both writer and artist? wow, i really thought it was entirely drawn by one guy drawing with his penis.
>>134934046
This show looks like someone made an entire show out of the boring real life scenes from shit art online
>>134935627
Teach me your secrets desu sempai
>>134921786
did you die on the way to the camera
>>134942060
At least the anime fixed the anatomy. It's funny imagining what the animators thought when they were given the source. "We need to fix that shit asap" or something like that.
>Want to draw
>All drawings look like Deviantart/paint
>No matter how hard I try I can't git gud
>See amazing drawings in pixiv
>They are done in shit tablets
>Own a cintiq
Kill me
>>134939992
Hands are great. I can really understand the fetishists after plenty of art observing.
>>134942274
Just no talent, man. Better give up at the stage where you can still delude yourself that you could become great if you just try.
>>134942418
Kill yourself.
>>134941880
Even ignoring the manga style thing the book is still one of the better crash-courses in anatomy and perspective I've seen.
>>134942125
The original was just yabuki, pretty sure in darkness he has a writer.
>>134921508
Father complexes are merely a manifestation of latent dualism and systematic doubt obviously
Let's draw /a/
www.flockmod.com/animu
>>134940685
What's wrong with it?
>>134942990
it's either bad perspective or she has a really wide hips
>>134942274
>Own a cintiq
To be fair, I always wish I had something like this just so I can annotate or make diagrams more easily.
>>134942896
Drawing with a mouse is impossible.
>>134943105
I started drawing with mouse anon. I moved to a cheap tablet once I realized I'm really into drawing and now I'm on an Intuos Pro medium. Lower your mouse sensitivity and draw in strokes
It's true up to a certain point.
Knowing anatomy is always good when drawing human bodies.
>>134943105
>>134943151
Currently trying to draw anime grills with my finger on a touch screen and I can safely say a mouse is a million times easier.
How do I start drawing? Just practice whatever?
>>134943191
JUST
DRAW
>>134943258
What should I draw?
>>134943103
A touch display laptop or tablet, along with a simple touchscreen stylus would probably be good enough for your purposes, and much cheaper.
>>134943191
Open MS Paint and use your trackball. Note: you have to use a trackball to get good, otherwise you're just wasting your time.
>>134943105
It's not that hard, especially if you're not intending to create some masterpiece right off the bat. I started off with a $10 mouse when I was too poor for a tablet.
Pic related, it's the only one (2004?) I can find stored on my computer now. I did more than that but all of my other digital art from 2000-2006 seem to have been lost between dead computers.
>>134943305
Adolf Hitler.
What if I only have a laptop pad?
>>134943995
Is there hope for me?
I just hate having multiple interests that I wish to pursue, and hopefully get good at.
I already program, (it's my job) but I want to get into deeper, more technical realms with it.
I want to learn to speak Japanese (can already understand a fair deal of it)
I want to learn to draw well
...among a bunch of other stuff like people skills, voice acting, game world design, I can go on for ages. The problem is that reality is cruel and that as a short-lived human I'll probably only have time to get decent at maybe a couple of those, if I'm lucky. So naturally this leaves me conflicted on which to choose. Knowing these limits almost hurts.
Laptop broke and now I'm stuck with a kindle and shitty app.
>>134942100
may not be creativity, but it takes hard work and grinding just like art does, and with art, you can take a 0% creative path and still be proficient at it.
>>134942173
>>134942060
remember air master.
>>134943313
>>134943103
cintiq alternative that have uc-logic backing them are MORE than good enough. monoprice puts one out for around 400-500$
>>134942547
i had the displeasure of doing research for this and grabbed every how to draw manga book floating around as someone asked for a book for a nephew who would not draw real and only wanted anime, my conclusion after looking at all of them is some suck less than others, some can have a goop part in them, but they are all bad.
>>134943105
pain in the dick, yes
impossible, no
>>134944213
your job is programing, so that will get skill no mater what,
japanese will get skill the more you use it, so just dont stop
drawing is something you need to take time out to do
id say the ones you lumped into one, fuck it, it would be nice to have, but lets be honest here unless you want a job voice acting, its not worth it, game world design... what need do you have for it? people skills come with interacting with people so just do this a bit more.
P-Please don't laugh.
>>134944213
Are you me?
>>134944337
Did you draw this with your mouse?
>>134944390
Yes.
It was very time consuming, i need a drawpad or whatever they're called.
>>134944048
Very avant garde, yet i can still see the sadness he feels for the fate of his Volk.
I like it. Well done.
as true as this show lol
https://kissanime.to/G/1775?l=https%3a%2f%2fkissanime.to%2fAnime%2fAi-Tenchi-Muyo
>>134942173
And STILL they're huge as fuck.
>>134941880
Concerning non-human monsters.
It's actually not entirely uncommon for manga artists to hire other artists to design those kinds of things for them, in the event that it becomes necessary. Usually, most illustrators will know what they're getting into when they start a project, given that most manga artists are also the authors of their works. But there are a few cases where a separate artist is hired to collaborate with an author, and the author might for something that isn't within the artist's expertise.
>>134927111
Yabuki
>those reflections
>>134941950
>>134941982
I-I was just pretending to be retarded, anon..
>>134944337
Wtf man, first learn to draw in paper.
Could you guys give me some tips?
I did this draw in a notebook, then i digitalized it, it lost some details, but i wanted to paint it.
>>134944337
>face9.png
But manga isn't always simple line art.
>>134944701
what software did you use to make the redraw in digital?
>>134921153
A lot of popular manga artists can't draw for shit though. No sense of proportions or anatomy whatsoever, but they still get published and earn tons of dosh. Both shonenshit and moeshit is guilty of this.
>>134944701
I will never understand why fujoshi like this show so much.
>>134923351
Angular and Slender a best
Chubbs a shit
>>134941011
Oh my fuck. A hot, well drawn anime girl sitting next to two bottles of hurricane malt liquor. And one is on fire. Marvelous.
>>134944048
chin too fat
otherwise perfect
I can't start practising because I'm too lazy to sharpen pencils
>>134921153
yes. if you want to draw anime you fucking need to have knowledge on forms and anatomy.
>>134937186
da phuc
>>134944769
Clip studio paint.
>>134944786
I'm not a fujoshi,i just like anime with the entire cast of girls or boys, but the show is funny.
>>134937186
I'm jealous of people who manage to understand this image.
>>134921875
Fuck anyone who says the face isn't good. Has a ton of expression.
>>134921956
It's one of the secrets of the magnum opus. Ask Cagliostro about it.
>>134921875
It's nice, but something looks wrong with the eyes. Probably the perspective...
but still, you're times better than I am. I couldn't even draw a character standing still from the front.
your work is completely fappable to, anon
>>134922104
I thought of it as perks.
50% more hand control or something like that.
>>134923351
Semi-realistic is amazing, and so is slender.
>>134923947
It is an unique style..
>>134945091
>Semi-realistic is amazing
No, fuck fat people
>>134927111
The one you posted looks great, IMO.
I can't. MURI DA
I had a kaiji reference picture and I tried to recreate it. Look at this shit...
If this shit can get published so can you, /a/. You just have to believe.
I've already posted this in a couple of threads,but what do you guys think of my rip-off of bnha? I think I fucked up the hips.
>>134945267
>nose not long enough
>chin not sharp enough
>nonexistent "ざわ ざわ" SFX
>>134923452
Good enough for Trigger
>>134944737
i spent more time on this than i should have
>>134944786
I like the show and I'm not female or gay. I avoid the threads though. I don't like the matsus being defiled this much.
if i can't have fun drawing that means that i'm fucked.
Also is it possible to learn just by copying?
>>134945368
Haven't you ever watched Fate Stay Night anon?
>>134945333
Keked and Checked
>>134944414
drawing tablet
>>134925993
Possibly the scariest thing I've seen on the internet.
>>134921153
nah
>>134945400
never
why?
>>134923947
deviantart/10Which is better than what most of the people in this thread can say.
>>134939548
I couldn't even draw your 2007 picture, no matter how hard I try.
Jesus christ I was pretty good in middle school, I had the perspective all nailed down, but now I know nothing.
>>134945368
Start replicating real-life objects - rocks, bottles, cups, food, etc...
Draw from your mind - imagine a sofa and put it out on paper.
This is coming from someone who was kinda good in middle school at drawing real-life objects.
>>134945368
>Also is it possible to learn just by copying?
Yep, but you'll never amount to anything more than a photocopier.
But hey, there are those artists that get a lot of attention just for copying photos of celebrities.
>>134921153
Pretty true I guess. You must have skeleton inside you and be able to stand like a normal human being first then you can hold a girl princess style or have boobs.
>>134923947
1/10
You have the whole mile ahead of you.
Tell me something to draw. I shall try.
>>134939578
>To a point. Everyone has a different brain and different capabilities.
No actually, unless you have a honest to goodness mental disability. You have roughly the same potential and capacity as everyone else. I'd say ~95%.
Of course you might never become as good as Mozart, not because of "talent" but because his parents made him practice music since he was fucking 3 years old, and he lived in an age without as many distractions as we have now.
Chances are you're not gonna put as many years into music as he did, and you're gonna spend a lot of time shitposting on /a/ and watching anime, only to complain at the end of the day that you lack his "talent".
>>134945602
This, exactly copied.
>>134945368
You can learn how to draw better than 90% of shitters if you just copy the right things over and over for a long enough time.
Get an anatomy for dummies book and just rote copy everything in it over and over and one day you'll eventually discover you can now draw that shit without even looking.
Now move onto cute moeshit girls. Pick your favorite artists and select a bunch of different drawings from them and just obsessively copy that shit down to the last detail over and over again. Eventually you will be able to draw moeshit by yourself.
Now, because you didn't skip the first step like a shitter you actually know what the fuck you're doing and aren't just drawing random shapes like an idiot.
This is hardly the most ideal way to learn but it's also far and away from the worst. So yes, you can become a halfway decent artist just by copying shit over and over.
>>134945661
>you can become a halfway decent artist just by copying shit over and over
It's not like there's any other way.
>>134945333
kek
>>134945661
Thank you so much anon, i will start, almost there's a way for faggots without any talent like me.
>>134945709
>>you can become a halfway decent artist just by copying shit over and over
Why did you type all that out when you could have just simply quoted him correctly?
>>134945709
If you're just rote copying with zero critical thinking you might never figure out just how the stylization process works. But that's still just 5% of the process, 95% is going to be copying no matter what.
>>134945791
no dude, i appreciate so much that explanation, right now i will get a pirate anatomy for dummies, and start doing that like there's no tomorrow.
>>134945791
Practicing what he just quoted.
>>134945791
>>>you can become a halfway decent artist just by copying shit over and over
am i doing it right
>>134945333
Noice.
>>134945659
gomen anon
>>134945661
The problem with this is at the end of this process you'll still only know how to draw with a pencil and don't know how to draw anything other than black and white sketches.
>>134945983
You didn't even try.
>>134946014
I'm just shit at drawing, sorry...
I feel comfy, we should have more threads like this one.
>>134921153
anime/manga doesnt use realistic shapes/proportions but unless you know anatomy you wont be able to properly manipulate them into dynamic poses
the strength of a pro manga/anime artist is in their lines, flawless lineart
>>134927749
top keked
>>134946014
I'm "completing' it right now.
Will post in minutel
How can i get this level?
>>134944337
I laughed
>>134946231
it's total crap, I don't need you guys to tell me that
>>134944640
i can see that, but if you know human anatomy well, creating a monster with believable anatomy is possible.
>>134946194
Draw OPM next
>>134946395
Depends on how humanoid the monster is, someone good at drawing humans won't necessarily be able to draw lions or lizards or dragons or hippogriffs.
If by monster you mean vampire lolis, sure.
>>134946360
Draw opm pls i'm beggin you
>>134946483
okay okay
Murata or ONE?
i'll try my best
>>134946482
oh no, but they will know where a muscle would bulge better than if they didn't know any anatomy.
mix into human anatomy a bit of animal, or at least an animal muscle chart and most people would be good to go.
>>134946520
Murata pls
That makes me so happy.
>>134946576
done; wait a minute till i get it from my camera
>>134946576
WAN PAAAAAAAN
>>134922104
Couldn't have said it better anon.
>>134946901
Holy shit where did his nose go, did it fall out, too?
>>134946980
oh fuck
>>134939729
That depends. If they want to be a concept artist, and the lead asks for a bunch of quick concepts of mechs, you might want to show them off in an environment, but there's no point in spending extra time on every rock and window in the city that surrounds them. It's secondary to the selling point of the piece, which is the mech that the lead wants to see. The environment just helps to sell the concept in a 3d space and give it scale/weight.
>>134944213
I know this feel.
>Want to one day be a show creator
>Like learning all sorts of different skills from all lines of production
>But not particularly excellent at any one department
>Need to be perfect at one particular department to land that first job
>Try to get better in one department. Everyone else is so much better though, they'll never hire me.
>Just remain an idea guy.
>>134947122
Great! Now add a shirt collar so that his suit doesn't run up his neck.
I'd like to learn how to draw well but I'm leaning more on the side of learning how to write. There's so many stories and characters I want to let out but I gotta start somewhere. I'm self employed and I've got nothing but free time that's being taken up by gaming and 4chan.
Oh and here's some old agent 47 doodle.
>>134921153
It's not because digital art means you don't have to draw something in one go while imagining layers and depth in your mind. You can fuck up and erase on the fly. It's about a step away from tracing tier.
Even seiyuu can draw this well, why can't you /a/?
