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>>134856476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Whatever your life's work is, do it well. A man should do his job so well that the living, the dead, and the unborn could do it no better.
just give up already.
>>134890435
>>134890361
Thanks! Im just starting so I appreciate the help. Honestly I wasnt looking forward to having to pay for rosetta stone.
scat-lovers need to kill themselves
Aren't you ashamed?
Learning a language purely for your dick's sake?
>>134890530
You have a long road ahead of you. Make sure to not get lost along the way.
>>134890684
I learn for manga sake.
>>134890721
But... thats clearly some form of manmade river. There isn't a road to speak of there...
>>134890801
Canals are roads.
>>134890684
To be fair I have done a lot worse things for my dicks sake. Most of all human civilization can be linked to doing it for your dick.
>>134890824
Boat roads? fair enough.
>>134890684
not even about that anymore bruv. at this point i've sunk too much time into it to just stop and throw it all away
>>134890918
same
>>134890361
Firefox fucking broke rikaisama again. This time there's not even a new update involved. Are the other browser rikais any good with making new cards for anki?
>>134891014
works here
>>134891014
Switch to developers edition and stop updating FF for fuck's sake.
I have read less than 1 hour over the last 3 days because I've been decorating for Christmas. Never going to reach my goal like this.
>>134891043
It disabled the newest version that I downloaded yesterday because it can not be verified. The only reason I'm using firefox was because of rikaisama and this is getting too annoying for me.
>>134891322
Literally update rikaisama
>>134891315
i read like once every week
and i dont think i even get past one hour still
>>134891264
FF updates itself even if you choose the option to never update.
>>134891358
That's wrong.
>>134891351
http://www.asahi.com/and_w/interest/CGcinema364801.html?iref=com_rnavi
Read this, you bitch! It's an half-interesting interview with JJ Abrams that wasn't too difficult either.
>>134888988
Practise, practise, practise. You didn't get good at writing English the first time around, were you ?
>>134891375
It's happened to me multiple times and searching on the net It certainly looks like FF is not targeting me specifically.
>>134891524
http://kb.mozillazine.org/App.update.enabled
Profit
>>134891491
this is way out of my league man
So, is there anyone out there who read 人間失格 or another book of the so-called Japanese Classics ?
>>134891603
It won't be after you've read through it 50 times, bitch!
>>134890361
To the maintainer of the DoJG deck, I tested the styling posted by some anon in the previous thread and it completely ruins the deck. It is like the anon has no idea what the deck is for and didn't test it across anki desktop and ankidroid. Please do not replace the current layout with this layout, or if you are can you give people warning before removing those old deck? Throwing my opinion out there.
>>134891532
But I just started!
Guess I have to try and prove you.
>>134891659
He said it was a basis with shit cut out, not a replacement.
>>134891532
I learned how to play fighting games. I can learn Japanese.
>>134891659
What's broken on ankidroid?
Is the language used in manga some kind of ultra-informal speech?
I can barely understand most of the language in any of the recommended-for-beginners mangas, but when they switch to more formal speak it suddenly becomes intelligible to me.
>>134891700
>with shit cut out
The point is there isn't shit to cut out. The last thing djt needs it the best current project ruined by a minority commenting on something they clearly don't understand. Not to mention this silly "exposure card" meme. Supermemo only has two card types: recognition and recall.
>>134891737
The current deck fits perfectly for mobile and tablet resolutions. The new formatting fucks around with alignment, throws things out of balance that the screen forces back in place, which doesn't work well, removes all of the sentence letter references, and the embedded images no longer scale properly. The anon obviously has no experience with the project or the books.
>>134891846
>The new formatting fucks around with alignment, throws things out of balance that the screen forces back in place
Can you post *what*?
>removes all of the sentence letter references
I did that because someone complained that they were there and I hid them to show him that they can be hidden. You're not supposed to use it like this.
>and the embedded images no longer scale properly
I can't test this.
>The anon obviously has no experience with the project or the books.
I used the O.G. deck and read the entire series front to back, but apparently when you're upset at something you don't understand you assume the worst.
>>134891322
>The only reason
Don't tell me you think Chrome is better.
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
>>134891814
Yes, some characters can even have dialects. For instance, わからへん or わからん instead of 分からない. Read the slang article of Tae Kim if you need a quick refresher on how slang is usually formed.
皆さん、 頑張ってください。
>>134891972
Finally!! This post is all that i need.
>>134891814
>Is the language used in manga some kind of ultra-informal speech?
Not really. The language used in manga is often casual, but it's not some manga-Japanese.
>>134891846
>Not to mention this silly "exposure card" meme. Supermemo only has two card types: recognition and recall.
I don't know what world you live in but in no world is the far right here a recognition card
Regardless of whatever SM does, which I cannot find any pictures of, it is not an authority on how flashcard formatting works.
>>134892181
Using お前 to mean 'you' every goddamn time doesn't seem to be casual Japanese to me though. Yes, not every manga uses it, but still.
>>134892212
You forgot
???
----
生
life
>>134892212
Looks like the middle to me, DoJG deck's "exposure" card type is just misnamed.
>>134892254
Kek's heartily
>>134892160
あなたの部下じゃないから勧めや命令や文句を述べるな。
>>134892239
Was talking more about imprecise and abbreviated language rather than word-choice. I don't think that is what's confusing him.
>>134892290
Oh boy, I'm sure we had this ancient piece of shit on our school's computers. We used it like three times a year.
>>134892397
Yeah I figured, it's just that sometimes, manga-Japanese does exist, or rather Japanese words are used in a misleading way (お前 for instance). Japanese in the manga isn't exactly the same as real life Japanese.
Since he went afk is there an android emulator I can use to test the formatting of the deck?
>齎す
>>134892676
Try Bluestacks
>>134893282
This looks cool as fuck.
>>134893411
Figured out how to use the SDK's emulator
>>134891336
Thanks, it's working again. I hope Firefox doesn't expect me to do this everyday because the version that stopped working is the same version that I've updated to (22.9)
>>134894403
If you said that a week ago, I would have bought it. There's no functioning amazon in my country.
>>134894403
No thanks, I already got DoJG
>>134894403
Holy fuck it's the 18th and I haven't got my medication or my fucking families presents thanks asshole
>>134894403
Hey guys Wanikani has listed their lifetime membership is on sale for $199 (regular price is $299). Don't you want to learn 2000 kanji in 2 years?
>>134894617
i can learn 2000 kanji in a month plus a week with anki
>>134894617
>2000 kanji in 2 years
>not even 3 kanji
>there are people out there who not only find this acceptable, but are willing to pay money for it
>>134894693
yeah sure I can do 10 000 a week I've been doing this for a year now
>>134894754
0.05% retention rate isn't acceptable.
>>134894754
2000 per week for a month is like 60 new cards per day
100% doable
>>134894728
3 kanji a day*
>>134894813
minus "per week", freudian slip
>蒼氷色《アイス・ブルー》の瞳
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4M0InFVP50
>>134892297
励まし合い じゃないか
良いことだ よ
Anyway, I have an idea. Move this thread to /jp/, and make it a rolling sticky there so you don't have to keep remaking it.
>>134895228
fuck off
>>134895228
Fuck off.
>>134895228
Our userbase hates jp's, jp's user base hates ours, and jp's mods hate us.
No conversation is going to change this.
>redditors defending wanikani
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/3x1lgd/best_of_2015_nomination_thread_for_learning/cy0xfbm
the memes are real
>>134895297
So you think it acceptable to fuck up /a/ just because it would hurt your feel-feels to have to deal with people on another board?
DJT is cancer, and so are you.
>>134895312
>going to reddit
Stay there.
>>134895312
>Going to reddit so that we can talk about how much reddit sucks
Jesus christ you're as bad /pol/tards and /v/ermin who complain about tumblr while spending 99% of their time there.
Kill yourself.
>>134895312
Why do you even know about this?
>>134895363
Shouldn't you be on /qa/ or something?
Should I start learning vocabulary before grammar or grammar before vocabulary?
>>134895363
cry more little girl, maybe the mods will care.
>>134895416
Both at the same time
>>134895363
It's acceptable to have a single "useless" thread if it keeps the mods happy.
>>134895312
Fuck off Quof. I hope something bad happens to you for wasting my time on this crap.
>>134895401
>Why do you even know about this?
Why do you think, Einstein?
>>134895401
>Why do you even know about this?
Someone posted it last thread
Just dumped the greentext I made in that thread btw
Can anyone read this dual monitor background I made? Font looks cool but it's pretty difficult to decipher. Hint: It's a 四字熟語.
>>134895567
is that 前? and a 高 looking motherfucker i haven't learned yet?
sometimes it's hard to tell whether that kanji is distorted or just one i dont know
>>134895567
臥薪嘗胆
>>134895795
Correct.
>>134895727
>>134895795
haha that settles it then
>tfw already knew a new card in kore because I saw it while reading yotsubato some time ago
I'm pretty much fluent.
>>134895891
>still doing core
I have some bad news.
>>134895891
>tfw already knew 99% of the words in core before even doing it
I guess I'm fluent
>>134895954
It's core 40k.
>>134895954
W-wow, that's a pretty long curve isn't it...
>>134895954
>tfw 10,000-ish slump
send help I can't live like this.
>>134896140
Just accept it won't ever be easy, then when it eventually does it will be a nice surprise.
>>134896140
I can't believe you MOTHERFUCKERS who are already SO FAR into learning the language still act like you can't do it FUCK.
>>134896397
it never ends m8
>>134896454
The suffering ends when you can read and listen to anything you want, then the ride becomes enjoyable. You never stop learning but you don't have to spend a hour on a group of sentences you don't get.
>>134896397
It's not about not being able to do it, it's the constant dictionary trips and self doubt interpreting tricky sentences.
I mean shit, if it were just about school visual novels and shounen, sure it's fine, but I want to reach the tallest branches too.
>Just found 括弧
>remember kumagawa's 格好つける
>Put brackets/act cool
Nisio really is the deepest writer of our time isn't he?
>>134895954
>>134896140
How the FUCK do people even count how many words they know?
>>134896582
I think he just has a dictionary at home.
>>134896520
Shounen manga is more difficult than it seems. Try opening a volume of One Piece and see what I mean.
>>134896589
Anki
How far into Mayuri's route is theH scene? I just finished that and am curious how fast I'm going through it at my current pace.
>>134896908
>he thinks there will be one
>>134892212
That isn't comparing like with like nor do you seem to understand how the deck is supposed to be used. It doesn't function like those kanji flash cards. Anki has much more utility and flexibility; stubbornly ignoring it won't bring about benefits.
Image related is the は～だ card with the image note changed to text. I'd pay for a version of the current DoJG.pdf with this fully implemented, but now that the groundwork has been laid it is a matter of trudging along converting the word files the maintainer added to the mega folder. One entry down, 628 to go.
>>134897492
The example sentences are still hidden by default but I pressed/touched to reveal for the screenshot.
>>134896582
Deepest or not I can't say but he certainly knows how to use the language.
>>134897492
>That isn't comparing like with like nor do you seem to understand how the deck is supposed to be used.
That doesn't matter. If it's not a recognition card it should not be called a recognition card. Recognition cards only have one format: What you're trying to recognize the meaning of on the front, and that "meaning" on the back. If it does not follow this format, it is not a recognition card.
It is not hard to change the name of a card type and there is no justification for the immaturity of refusing to do so.
>Anki has much more utility and flexibility; stubbornly ignoring it won't bring about benefits.
What does that have to do with literally anything?
>>134897492
If the text isn't going to be formatted with italics / bold / indentations like the original DoJG entry had, I'd rather keep the images on the card. Might just be me, though. As long as there's a field for text version and a field for image version I'll be happy.
>dies irae anime confirmed for 2017
is there a reason to learn japanese now?
>世の中には優しいお姉さんもいたもんだ。
>もいたもんだ
da fuck does this mean?
>>134898037
mo + i(ta) + mo + nda
>>134898102
I don't get it.
>>134898015
Nope, pack it all up, a 12 episode show is pretty obviously going to be blatantly superior to some dumb VN.
>>134898015
Thank god I can give up peacefully now.
Time to delete that stupid fucking anki deck.
a-at least we still have muramasa
>>134898196
What in the hell am I going to do with EIGHTY THOUSAND FLASHCARDS?
Oh god, I'm ruined. Why did I fill my house with these things? Why didn't you guys tell me that they might just make an anime I could watch instead?
>>134896908
>>134897148
Oh wow, that was a really short route. Started up FH expecting there to be a decent amount more. Feels pretty good finishing my first route of a VN, though. Thanks, /djt/.
>>134898225
>EOPs will never, EVER read the masterpiece that is 「お嬢様はサディスト ～この変態粗チン野郎ッ！ ペニバンぶッ刺してガンガン小突いただけで糞汚ねぇ劣等ザーメン垂れ流しやがって淫乱マゾ野郎ッ、あッははははは！！～」
>ちょうどいいくらいだ
Just fuck my shit up
>>134898225
Y-Yeah, they'll never take our dark elf armor waifu.
>>134898015
Fuck it all.
>>134898341
I know right, Mayuri's route is amazing but it's unfortunate how abruptly it ends. The other routes all have more satisfying conclusions and more h-scenes, don't worry.
>>134890361
I feel bad asking this, but when I download the DoJG zip, it keeps getting stuck. Right now, I've been stuck at 67% forever. I'm using FireFox, and tried downloading it through chrome, but still the same.
>>134898426
ちょうど exactly, exactness, just about
いい、 you should know this, but it means good, right.
くらい, extent, limit, just around.
ちょうどいいくらいだ = It's exactly/perfectly right.
>>134898037
Watch more anime
>>134898523
No thanks.
>>134898523
How good of advice is this actually?
>>134898449
>eyelashes aren't same color as hair
>>134898589
It's not, at all
It's a DJT meme
>>134898589
Japanese is Japanese.
>>134898347
I really dislike that circle. Their work should mesh with me perfectly, but instead it's fairly dull.
Msize's 熟圧 is an actual masterpiece. Probably. I rub my dick so raw every time I play it that I'm only about 2 scenes in.
>>134898491
I guess I'll try Amane's next since some anon recommended it to me last thread.
I'll have to try out the VN dedicated to Mayuri sometime down the line though since I really want more of her.
>>134898632
No, "don't watch anime ever" is a meme perpetuated by 10 year beginners.
>>134898691
You're still at core 2k, kiddo.
>>134898722
I stopped using J-E decks a long time ago. Have fun associating every word you learn with English, you dumb faggot.
>>134898677
The same goes for me, watching all these other anons enjoying Mayuri's route has only increased my anticipation for when I get round to it.
HYPE
"watch anime" is shit advice that help only when you're actually well into your japanese studies and don't need this thread anymore.
Otherwise it will help you learn at the same pace those MAL (and /a/) weeaboos do, ie learn a word or 2 every 3 weeks worth of eating shit.
>>134898522
I've always thought of くらい as only meaning just about. Thanks for putting me on the right path.
>>134898825
What should I be doing to get the most out of watching anime?
>>134898946
Learn Japanese first.
>>134898946
Use Japanese subtitles to look up/mine the words you don't know, watch a show or series multiple times until you're satisfied with what you can understand.
>>134898963
Listen to this guy. The best way to learn Japanese is to avoid anything written or recorded in Japanese.
>>134898860
Watch it with Japanese subs, brah.
The best way to learn Japanese is to travel to Japan and meditate on top of Mt. Fuji for 10 years
>>134898522
I don't know why but this post makes me want to read more.
Thanks.
>>134899083
There is a reason half of this thread uses VNs to practice, it's because they have both audio and its written form while also letting you stop and read every sentence at your own pace.
Meanwhile with anime you can only do that with the shows you can find jap subs for on the guide (which are like a dozen, and they're all shit. The subs are terrible too, I tried subs for NNB and that shit had both chinese and japanese on screen, like really?).
Then you have to pause every time you don't know a word or understand something, which is going to be every 3 seconds if you didn't do >>134898963.
>>134898522
>ちょうどいいくらいだ = It's exactly/perfectly right.
It's just about rightunlike your translation
>>134899288
Stop being a pussy and watch 10000 hours of anime already
>>134899292
Yeah, I should really get to sleep.
fuck me, don't pay attention to anything I say.
>>134898825
Is there really a downside to this long term?
>>134899358
>eating shit for 10000 hours
No thanks.
I already watched every single good anime ever made, and I didn't like half of them.
Because I have standards.
>>134899292
The key is that くらい implies a lack of knowledge.
It's the difference between a guy carefully measuring the center of something and a guy eyeballing it.
>>134899451
This is /a/ you fucking faggot.
>>134899464
This is /djt/.
Now fuck off back to your shithole.
>>134899397
You and the fucking scum like you are the Redditor faggots that are going to get this thread banned from /a/. Fuck off and kill yourself.
>>134899383
When you learn things as a child you directly relate the word to the concept, it's an exact and perfect translation in your mind.
Learning something as an adult through a filter language means that words are turned into different words which at their turn are turned into concepts.
It's inevitable at first, but as soon as you can you should use circumlocutory decks in order to more closely relate to the words you're learning instead of some halfassed english approximation.
>>134899485
You fuck off, DJT was made by /a/nons for /a/nons. Go be cancerous on your own board.
>>134899503
Stop advising flawed learning methods, you can do that at /r/learnjapanese.
Also DJT being banned from /a/ would greatly improve its quality.
>>134899573
Fuck off.
>>134899509
Ive kinda wanted to make the switch now that im about 7k in but, what if I dont know one of the words used to describe the word im looking up.
I feel like I would just be confusing myself further
>>134899573
Fuck off.
>>134899503
DJT isn't even /a/ related, it would make perfect sense if it was banned from this board and moved someplace else.
I already emailed the new admin about it and he has told me he will consider making a new language board.
>>134899600
>but, what if I dont know one of the words used to describe the word im looking up.
Then you look that up. Unknown words in that definition? Look that up.
Hard, tedious? Can be. But it's very good for you.
>三角座り
>>134899614
>I already emailed the new admin about it and he has told me he will consider making a new language board.
We're fine right where we are. Now fuck off.
>>134899635
Could you recommend a deck that does this? I haven't seen any around yet.
>>134899660
Is that the only thing you can say? Gee, that's so /a/.
>>134899680
Not to forget the
>we
>>134899680
If you don't like it here you can leave. There's a Japanese general on /int/.
>>134899635
Alright, I have a bunch of old J-J dictionary files I got from a torrent.
I guess ill start doing it that way
>>134899614
>making a new language board.
Guys, we will get our own board so we can have the RTK thread, the Anki thread, the Watch anime thread, the You can't learn Japanese thread, etc.
>>134899771
The idea was of a board that will have threads about the learning of every language people want to learn but that's pretty good too.
>>134899666
http://japaneselevelup.com/the-j-e-to-j-j-dictionary-leap-of-faith-1-escape-from-comfort/
Here are some tips and starting to use a J-J dictionary. I've never done it, so I can't give any personal experiences.
>>134899614
I don't think I've ever seen someone so butthurt about 1 thread. Why are you even here? Just filter it.
I don't think I would ever fully switch to J-J, because most of the time J-E is just easier and good enough.
>>134899770
Do you still have the link to that torrent? Rikaisama is compatible with J-J epub files.
>>134899941
I was just trying to figure out how to do that, too retarded though
Its like 10gigs big, Do you mind?
>>134899810
Reminder there is no reason to learn any other language than English or Japanese?
>>134900012
I'm learning German just to read Mein Kampf.
>>134900039
You are wasting your time to waste your time.
反重力磁場システムを初めとする各種のレーダー透過装置や妨害電波などの発達、さらにレーダーを無力化する材料の出現により、レーダーが索敵《さくてき》装置として用をなさなくなって数世紀が経過している。索敵は有人偵察機や監視衛星など、古典的な手段に頼るしかない。それらによってえられた情報に、時差や距離的要素を加算して敵の位置を知る。これに熱量や質量の測定を加えれば、不完全ながらも一応の索敵が可能となるのだ。
>>134900012
French has a lot of nice literature if you're into reading.
I hate French though and wouldn't recommend anybody to learn it.
>>134900052
How is it a waste of time? I hope you're learning Japanese to help your career but it will not.
>>134897492
Please don't be such a bitch if you're going to maintain the deck.
>>134900101
Who learns Japanese for such a flimsy reason, I wanna consume the upper echelons of Japanese pornography.
>>134900100
Every European language has a lot of nice literature but DJT isn't a place where people enjoy actual literature, they have to pretend they are sophisticated with kiddie shit like Dies Irae but in anime version.
>>134900168
>Every European language has a lot of nice literature
That is translated into English.
>>134900168
>they have to pretend they are sophisticated with kiddie shit like Dies Irae
Nobody pretends it isn't for porn/VN/anime/LN. what are you talking about.
>>134900195
>anglo beast thinking he has any culture, or intellectual value to be found in his countries' land
>>134900224
Fuck off, I'm not Anglo and neither want to be.
>Learning Japanese: where reading porn and things about cute anime girls is a productive use of your time
>>134899988
That's fine.
>>134900274
What passes for productive use of time?
>>134900243
Then surely you would know to appreciate a work you have to read it in the language it was written. Hopefully you already know the amount of Japanese needed to appreciate the original content more.
That's why learning German to read Mein Kampf is not a waste of time at all.
Does anyone use other material for vocabulary besides Anki and Memrise?
>>134900344
Paper. Fifty times.
>>134900195
It's not the same, though. You would rather read japanese media in japanese too, right?
It's always best things in their original language.
>>134900168
Thats not true,Im sure some of us liek actual literature
All I could see myself learning other than japanese or some other asian language would be french for Les Misérables
Everything else seems fine translated into englishAll my philosophy books atleast do
>>134900275
http://www.mediafire.com/download/887cfqo0ly3flfh/Dictionaries.torrent
>>134900344
Just write shit down.
Keeping a journal and passing it over once in a while is the more effective than anki, you use more of your senses and develop a stronger relationship with what's written and how to write it.
>>134900318
>Then surely you would know to appreciate a work you have to read it in the language it was written.
Indeed.
>That's why learning German to read Mein Kampf is not a waste of time at all.
The learning German part maybe not, but for Mein Kampf dude?
>>134900395
While I do recognize it, I wouldn't do it for anything else other than Japanese.
>>134898860
nobody thinks watching anime is a good way to actually learn new words or grammar you dip. It's for hearing words/phrases/sentence structures you already know in a natural context in order to gain a more intuitive sense of how they're actually used, which is useful pretty much as soon as you learn some vocab and how to string sentences together. Sure it's not the most "efficient" way of learning if all you care about is boosting your e-penis with flashcard counts and shit like that. But if you're gonna be spending much of your time watching japanese cartoons anyways(hint: 99% of people in this thread are), trying to pay attention to the japanese even if you're watching with english subtitles is going to be useful for putting what you learn in context based on how it's actually used by native speakers.
>>134900436
Les miserables is shit.
European languages would be a lot easier to learn if more dubbed anime was available to download. All you can ever find is English dubbed, even if one exists in French/German/Russian/etc.
It is also irritating just trying to find out which anime have been dubbed into a language. I wish there a good list somewhere.
If I was rich, I'd start a company that would translate and dub VNs in various languages I wanted to learn. They are the ultimate language learning tool.
>>134900471
You can to that with every single Japanese thing you can read or listen to.
>>134900471
I don't watch anime.
It's a ridiculous form of escapism. What now, huh?
who /playsinjapanese/ here?
>>134900513
That is your opinion and that is fine, have a good day.
>>134900513
Stop pretending to be me, I don't make such low quality posts.
Fuck off.
>>134900481
probably
>>134900452
What I meant was where can I learn more vocabulary words?
>>134900593
Look up words you've never seen before by reading.
>>134900593
Books
In DJT's case porn and children's cartoons
What the fuck do you think? Did you want to learn Japanese with core 2k?
>>134900593
Consuming more Japanese content.
>>134900513
>"look at me, I'm so edgy and superior for not liking a thing that other people like"
>>134900593
Just read shit man.
Unless you've done and complete core40k and have an intimate understanding of how grammar works, everything you look at will provide you with new words to learn.
It's a brave new world friend.
>>134900653
Why would you put quotation marks in greentext when using it for quoting?
>You will never be haunted and marry a Japanese ghost girl
>You will never be abducted and marry a Japanese alien girl
>You will never be build and marry a Japanese android girl
Is there seriously even a point in living?
>>134900683
Learning Japanese has done enough as a point to living lately.
>>134900530
How hard is Chrono Trigger Japanese-wise? I've never played a full blown classic JRPG before so I'm interested in trying one out.
>>134900683
learn japanese, get n1 certification and job in japland, fuck a cutie.
This is my reason.
>>134900275
Forgot to ask
Once you have it downloaded and if you get it to work with Rikai
Tell me how to import them in
>>134900683
Is this 4koma-like bullshit or an actual manga?
>>134900744
JRPGs are mildly easy aside from archaic royal speech and fantasy vocab which are things you only have to learn once
>>134900744
well, my vocabulary is shit so i have to look up everything
but other than that it's not too bad
>>134900824
4koma
>>134900860
Nice.
"Compelling content" doesn't exist.
>>134900780
Seems like the torrent doesn't work anymore. Think you could just throw the 大辞林 file up on mediafire or somewhere? To import them all you have to do is go to your firefox addons page, click on the options for Rikaisama, go to EPWING and then there's a box where you can add them. Then you can press P to use.
>>134900935
Sure give me a bit
Of course it will look funny, but it seems more natural to me in other ways, and it would still be recognizable since everyone's handwriting is different. I could just go on and write in the proper order and whatever, but I'm really just curious. If I could write it how I naturally write things, I think it would be more familiar to me. But you do have a point. Even with English programs, I have trouble with character recognition programs thinking that I write a "2" other than a "5," but I don't suspect I'll be using any, really.
What I really want to know is, will I get spanked if I write it as I find natural to my own habits or does it not really matter as long as the outcome is recognizable?
>>134900935
https://www.dropbox.com/s/05ufmnvkqhdblmu/Daijirin.7z?dl=0
Here you go
Im honestly suprised the torrent is down now if it is, I only got these like 2 weeks ago
Why does Google Translate translate to Kanji instead of Hiragatana?
That moment when you give up reading English translations
>>134900882
>"Compelling content" doesn't exist.
explain pic related
>>134901618
holy shit that english is so bad
>>134901618
Translate that for us.
>>134901640
>Nujabes
ahahahahaha she's a fucking 17 year old.
>>134901618
I gave up on it as soon as I could. I didn't have to compare them to know english translations were full of mistakes.
>>134901681
How do you know it's a female?
>>134901681
>Nujabes
>Bad
you better fix that shit taste quick anon
>>134901618
>tfw I've only read a single volume of manga that was English translated
>>134901662
Although I don't read anything expect stuff like Shoujo manga,
(something something context)
The first line is just so wrong. Not sure how to translate the second line without context, most likely entirely due to my own incompetency might I add. No clue what she means by she'll search and then try reading.
>>134901311
Thank you so much. This is so much better than the janky Sanseido online support Rikai has by default.
>>134901742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVakblzbyKY
Only good thing to ever come out of Nujabes.
>>134901791
No problem friend
, I almost want to upload the rest of these dictionarys since they arent accessible
>>134901775
Context is that the guy she likes gave her an autograph so she's looking up his manga by his pen name.
>reading novels for light practice while on trip
>see 啓く
>new kanji
>can't add to anki because I'm not home
>will probably forget it before I get home
fuck
>>134901775
Okay, you got as far as I did then. That second bubble was confusing me.
>>134901845
Thanks, now I understand.
>>134901819
That'd be great. Japanese-Japanese dictionaries are a fantastic resource to have. There's room in the Cornucopia for them. I think I still have editing access to it.
>>134901681
>not liking nujabes
Kill yourself, faggot.
>>134901880
I dont know where I would upload the hole thing to, Not sure I can to dropbox and I hate mega with a passion
>>134901908
wow calm down just because you have a shit taste in music doesn't give you an excuse to shit up the thread.
>>134901618
Looking back on this, Nozaki actually writes shojo manga right? Then what's with the first bubble?
Did she not know he was a shojo mankaga at this point? I can't remember.
Speaking of dictionaries, I can't seem to find any offline j-j dictionaries for android even though there's a million e-j ones.
>ctrl+f
>"rare"
>0 results
But how will I artificially inflate my kanji grid now?
>>134891616
No one really reads lit here. I'm trying to get my reading skills up for Dazai and mishima after that.
>>134902165
Pretty much
>>134902165
I guess she didn't know he wrote shoujo manga, although she should have. She had just finished helping him with the betas. Then again it took her four hours to realize he was a mangaka. It was all a big shock to her.
And one more. This just makes me feel sick.
>on new computer
>try to install rikaisama
>only download is on sourceforge
>browser keeps blocking it due to its history of malware
>i dont even want to use sourceforge in the first place anyway
>download keeps cancelling and disappearing
fuck this
>>134901951
Why do you hate Mega? I haven't had many problems with it.
>>134902469
HOW CAN YOU FUCK UP SO HARD.
>>134902469
How can you mess up this bad and still think it's okay to keep translating stuff.
There's no way they were 100% sure about these lines. At some point they must've thought "hmm, I don't really get these lines. Maybe I shouldn't be doing this".
>>134902469
This is sub-duwang.
>>134902506
I have no idea how it happens
But when ever I download anything from it it will finish but take like 10 minutes before the file shows up on my downloads list or on my computer at all.
And while thats happening it hikes my cpu usage up whenever I start downloading from it. I have no idea how that happens or works but thats why I hate it
>>134902469
>more ammo to shoot EOPs who say "no need to learn Japanese for manga, it's all translated"
thnx mate
>>134902589
It's not like they could ever understand it anyway.
Those kinds of people are really just making excuses for being unable to put a fucking hour of work a day into something.
>>134892101
わからん isn't a dialect, it's just わからない abbreviated
unless I'm missing something here
>>134902469
I legitimately think the old Dragonball "translation" where they just made up lines was far better than this.
I don't even understand how you can get translations this bad. Even Google translate isn't this terrible these days, right?
>>134902740
>I legitimately think the old Dragonball "translation" where they just made up lines was far better than this.
It was actually the script from the anime inserted into the panels, funnily enough.
>>134902588
Damn, sounds like a shit deal. Would making a mediafire folder work?
>>134902740
I suppose this is what happens when you don't learn grammar, look up the words, and let your imagination connect those words together.
>>134902469
This gives me a feeling so complicated. How could you translate anything when you don't even understand しか or んです?
>>134902469
>>134901618
Who even are these people? Why do they do this?
>>134902781
Just checked the folder and its 11.3 gigs.Mediafire only allows 10gigs for non paided accounts
>>134902831
They're probably Chinese.
>>134902847
>Paided
Fuck,Pls no bully
>>134902789
"Not for me, I like earning my money" is the best part in my opinion. I guess if you just look at the kanji, "me, me, earning, money, like", and just guess all the words in between, it kind of fits. Doesn't make ANY FUCKING SENSE, but I guess if you had only those words and had to make a sentence, that'd be the logical order.
>>134902847
It might be a bit cumbersome, but you could probably put half of the files on one free account and half on another.
>>134902867
That's why I think the people who do these mindfuck translations are Chinese. They say "oh, I know kanji, this is easy" and then write horribly misinterpreted Japanese in horribly broken English.
>>134902891
Mmmmmm I guess why not, going to take awhile to upload all this?
Are you able to put this in the cor?
>>134902918
I'm pretty sure they're just kids who see something untranslated and try and use some OCR software to read the kanji and guess the meanings.
>>134902869
"In short, the hero suit stained by spilled soy sauce, I thought you wanted to throw it away, but when I thought about I might have been bothering you by throwing it away, so I got troubled".
That about right? Had to spitball that last bit because I don't quite get the ni~zu form and can't google due to being on mobile
>>134902958
Near-completely wrong. He's saying Saitama wanted to throw the stained suit away, but his memories of it were preventing him from doing so, and it was bothering him.
>>134902869
>OPMfags
how fitting
>>134902996
Not near-completely wrong, actually, pretty close. The only mistake I made was misunderstanding that omoide was memories and not a verb.
>>134902918
the explanation makes sense, but I still don't understand why they do it at all
why go out of your way to "translate" something from one language you don't know into another language you don't know
>>134903048
ego
>>134903048
Because nobody else it doing it and they want to see it in english for whatever reason.
>>134902588
That's because Mega doesn't use normal downloads like other file hosts. Instead, it downloads to your browser's virtual file system in the background. The "download" only starts when that's done.
>>134902847
>>134902891
Alternatively, you get extra space from referrals. Just signup with disposable emails, that's what I did.
>>134903025
you completely fucked up the second half of the sentence, which you even acknowledged, so yeah, your translation was pretty wrong
>>134902947
Yeah, I can add them when you're done. Thanks.
>>134903092
I dont like that
Regarding the upload,ill just make two different mediafire accounts using 10minutemail.
Taking awhile to put this in a 7zip and my upload isnt top tier so give it like a hour.
>>134903111
Stick around for my slow ass then please
>>134901311
What's this supposed to do again?
殺到
>coming death
>flood
10/10
きょうのよくわからないにほんご
>手取り足取り
like a tutorial
http://ran.2hu.moe/yhtcyy.webm
Can anyone make out what the fuck she's trying to say?
Sounds like 毎度ありがとうございました, am I right?
http://kokugo.bunka.go.jp/kokugo_nihongo/joho/kijun/naikaku/pdf/joyokanjihyo_20101130.pdf
Interesting joyo primer for you kanji dorks
>>134903952
まいごりすと
>>134903155
I'm going to bed, but I'll be back up in a few hours so just put the link in here when you're done and I'll add it when I can. Thanks.
>>134905337
Sorry, its taking way longer than expected it feels almost like mediafire has a upload speed cap or something, first part isnt even done
Anyway sleep well
>>134903952
>まいだりーっしたー
って言ってるよ。意味は毎度ありがとうございましたであってるよ。おにいちゃん
>>134905535
sanks
>>134905365
>>134905337
Just going to start uploading the second part and go to sleep, ill post them when I wake up
Is that last panel a reference to some old mango or the like?
Just like learn japanese
Can someone help me out with this? Is 全日制 and 通信制 talking about the method of attendance?
>>134906563
Couldn't really be referring to anything else just from that panel unless there's some extra context you're not showing to make one doubt the simple meaning.
tfw getting better every day
>>134906563
全日制
朝の8時30分頃から4時頃まで一日中学習します。1週間に30時間ほど学習し、3年で卒業することが原則です。
定時制
1日を4時間ほどに区切って午前、午後、夜間と時間を定めて学習します。3～4年で卒業します。
通信制
自学自習が基本で、レポートが中心の学習となります。
Hello fello nip nong bros
I'm running into trouble with rikaisama, it simply doesn't do anything on my firefox. There's no option to turn it on via right click, and tapping the icon does nothing.
Any ideas? I'm at a loss.
>>134907496
Have you tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it?
>>134907496
Learn swahili.
>>134907496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn8
>>134907602
I did try updating and enabling/disabling. But I'm a retard and didn't think to do a fresh reinstall.
私はバ～カ～
ありがとう
>>134907609
え？
アフリカのアニメない
キッコーマンの酸化を防ぐやわらか密封ボトルは
２１世紀の大発明だと思うよ。
Are there any light novels in the resource pack with furigana for most if not all of the novel?
魔法瓶
>神出鬼没
>God appear devil disappear
>Phantom, elusive
This language is cool as fuck sometimes
>>134908475
Someone correct from if I'm wrong but 神 and 鬼 mean less God and Devil and more heavenly spirits(some shinto concept) and demon. 神様 is just how they translated God because there is no real word for gods in Japanese or something like that.
>>134907496
Might be your firefox version.
>>134908577
Nah you're right, but the imagery is still cool.
>>134908190
Yup
俺は強くなる
強くなって
次は絶対お前を守るから
>>134908577
Yeah, but think god instead of God and it's pretty much the same shit. Shinto is not so unique that their deities deserved to be classed out of gods.
>>134908826
My impression of the word comes from a wikipedia article I read a while back by accident. Before that I thought the Japanese gods were just like any polytheistic ones like the Greeks, Egyptians, etc.
But the article sort of made it clear that while the gods of Japanese mythology are encompassed in 神, the word means more than that. Any important spirit from the "spiritual plane" will be classified as 神 or something.
>>134908924
There certainly are 神 very much like the Greek or Egyptian ones as well as much less powerful ones. Overall you're right, but I'm pretty sure we can still call them gods without any confusion.
The fact that they're worshiped in shrines helps reinforce that image of gods too.
Watch Kamichu.
just 神 = "gods" instead of "god"
>>134909064
Nah, 神々 is gods.
>>134909223
That would be godses
>>134901681
Shit taste you got there, anon.
>>134909254
Nope.
>>134909294
It's true
pants -> pants -> pantses
panties -> panties -> pantieses
apple -> apples -> appleses
god -> gods -> godses
anime -> anime -> animes
Kids use this third plurality all the time. It's only when we're learned to speak right that we stop using them. Do you even know english?
>>134909254
No, that's 全八百万の神々達.
>>134901857
You know you can write it down, right ?
>>134909345
Crap, someone caught me.
>>134909338
Do you know what we do to lying cunts in my town?
>>134909223
>implying japanese has plural
>>134905688
Thank you kind anon, I've been looking for these kind of decks for some time now.
>>134909405
You mean cuntses?
>>134909407
>implying it doesn't
Hello, Mount Stupid.
>>134902264
That's a shame, Japanese literature really seems interesting. If you ever start reading one of those books please tell us in the DJT, I'd really like to know the level of difficulty and how enjoyable they are.
>>134909429
The japanese plurality system is nonzero by default except for some me/you personal pronouns and the "group" system.
>>134909455
There is no language that assumes the things we talk about are at a 0 quantity by default.
>>134909481
That doesn't make me wrong.
>>134909407
Let me guess, you're stuck at the essentials part of the Tae Kim? The different plural form are even described in the Intermediate or Advanced DoJG. You know, things like 人々 or 先輩達 or even 子供.
>>134891616
I'm learning to read that stuff too but unfortunately I'm only at the level where I can read LNs. Get back to you in a year I guess.
>>134909438
I read Japanese literature.
Incidentally, my definition of literature includes fureraba.
>>134909514
Just because it seems different than English doesn't mean it isn't a plural form though.
>>134909502
子供 is used as a singular though, even though ども is usually a pluralizer.
>>134909539
What do you think is the hardest hurdle you have to overcome in ordre to read literature ?
>>134909568
So you only read VNs or both ?
>>134909676
Yes my bad, anyway you got the point I was trying to make with ども.
>>134909672
Academics disagree with you
>>134909753
Do you have a link to an article or something ? If I'm really wrong I'd really like to learn more about this, and I'm sorry if that's the case.
I just learned that 一つ and 二つ are not the correct kanji but 壱 and 弐
>>134909782
http://www.ic.nanzan-u.ac.jp/LINGUISTICS/publication/pdf/NLSI3_2-12-ueda_haraguchi.pdf
I'm half trolling because the idea that japanese has numeric plurals is just as absurd as the idea that it has none at all
>>134909712
Vocab. Aka intermediate hell.
>>134909797
The alternative kanji for numbers come from the fact that you can easily go from a 一 to 二 to 三 without people noticing if you're writing it out. This has significant consequences on any contact involving sums of whatever.
>>134909826
Thanks for the paper. Anyway we're both right in a way, I'm not really aware of any language having zero plurality at all. I do think that the different 達 and ども are still plural forms though, but that seems up to debate.
>>134909797
壱 and 弐 are not the kanji for 一つ and 二つ.
They're the anti-fraud kanji for 一 and 二.
>>134909857
Look at the reading list
>>134909797
It's not a matter of being 'correct'. 大字 were originally introduced because they're harder to falsify (e.g. it's easy to make a 二 into a 三 with just a stroke of the pen). That's why they're still seen used in some official documents, money and shit.
>>134909925
If I say "Jim and co" am I pluralizing Jim?
>>134909979
No you're group-izing jim
>>134909979
You're not pluralizing Jim, but are you still talking about multiple people? Yes. Besides, this works with 達, but can you say the same about 人々 for instance ?
>>134910034
>but can you say the same about 人々 for instance ?
Dedicated plural pronoun
>>134910034
>>134910017
Then you agree with me that 達 is not a pluralizer?
>>134910069
It's not a plural. Reason: it's a clitic even when it's pluralizing.
>>134910056
In what way is that a pronoun ?
>>134910069
Grammatically perhaps not, but I still think that it evokes plurality.
>>134909941
myfucking diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick fuck exif scrubbing
>>134910090
>In what way is that a pronoun ?
In a way that pronouns don't work in french but they do in Japanese.
>>134910056
There is a pattern though:
人々
日々
木々
神々
You could say it's kind of a limited use pluralizing function in a sense.
>>134910098
doesn't 4chan exif scrub by default now
>>134910103
Where did you see that ? I've never heard of it and I'd be interested to learn more.
>>134910090
Well yeah just like how saying "people" involves plurality but the word is singular.
>>134910120
Sure but if it's not productive then it's not a grammatical system.
>>134909712
Define literature and I'll tell you if what I read fits your definition.
>>134910143
Which still means that Japanese has a notion of plural. Stating that Japanese doesn't have any plural doesn't seem right to me, unless you're talking uniquely about linguistics (which most of people on DJT don't care about anyway).
>>134910161
In my perception, it ranges from classics like 人間失格 and こころ to modern adult novels (i.e not LNs, which is arguable but whatever).
>>134910219
Their ability to count to 2 means they have a notion of what you call "plural". Of course I'm talking about the grammar you moron.
>>134910134
It's basically like a group indefinite pronoun
>>134909942
三 is easier to falsify with 五 though
>>134910281
good thing there's one for 三 too
>>134910147
Fair enough.
I'd just like to add one thing. If you search the dictionary for 絢爛 there's a good chance you'll come across this example sentence.
>口を衝いて出る言葉々々がどれもこれも絢爛な色彩に包まれていた
>〈有島・或る女〉
You can see that while it's not usually productive, it certainly has potential to be productive. In this case the author was creative in using this supposedly not productive function to produce a new word, 言葉々々, precisely to describe a person who uses flowery speech.
帰りは私に運転させちくりー
「させちくりー」とはどういう意味ですか？
>>134910327
Sure, and I can write "Animes" and ship it in an AAA video game.
>>134910281
二 can become 三.
三 can become 五.
>>134910296
Every numeral has one.
>>134910352
Language is plastic. You never know, in a hundred years Japs might be using this repeating function for plurals all of the time. If they're not extinct by then that is.
>>134910259
Then stating that Japanese has no plural has no point in the discussion and you're just confusing people. Most people on DJT aren't even proficient, throwing this kind of stuff doesn't help. In the mind of the average Japanese learner, 達 and 人々 define a sort of plural, most people don't care about linguistics.
>>134910379
Make it five hundred
>>134909797
Don't forget 亖.
>>134910389
>implying japanese has plural
Gimme a plural-agreeing verb then
>>134910431
You either don't get what I'm trying to say or you're trolling. I'm not disagreeing with you on linguistics, that's not the point of what I said. You surely know better than me about this subject.
>>134910431
>plural-agreeing verb
Why would you need that to have plurals. Verbs agreeing with the number of the subject is not an obligatory feature of the language and English for example doesn't have it in a lot of cases.
The cat pissed on my couch.
The cats pissed on my couch.
I like dicks.
We like dicks.
>>134909481
If you use plural in english as in the "general category" kind, like "people" or "cats", then zero is a possible value.
>>134910527
Yeah but there are times when you have to form an agreeing verb in english which means that it's a first class grammatical category. In japanese plurality is relegated to clitics and individual words.
>>134910389
But you're wrong. If I say 一条達はカッコイイ, I'm not saying that Ichijous are cool, I'm saying that Ichijou and his group are cool. It's not even a pluralizer on an intuitive non-linguistic level. It's a groupizer, which is why I used as an example "Jim and co".
>>134910351
>させちくりー
まっちくりーなら待っちくりーの意味
たべちくりーなら食べちくりーだよ。おにいちゃん
>>134910702
It is sometimes used as a pluralizer though. I've seen stuff like 写真たち and 欠片たち.
>>134910702
Yes you're right, that's not what I was disagreeing with. But then when you say for instance : 先輩たち, it can be something else than just Senpai and his/her group.
>>134910808
Can you say 写真がた?
>>134909797
壱
弐
弎
亖
伍
鯥
There's a complete set but I forgot the kanji for 7-10. I don't know if you need this to learn for a VN, but I work in a Japanese metalworks company overseas branch, my old Japanese boss taught me about this.
>>134910864
I don't think so. がた is from 方 which specifically means person.
>>134910920
inanimate+たち is almost definitely a stylistic innovation then
>>134910407
>>134910867
その字よりはまだ、四に、肆の字をあてることのほうがの方が多い気がするんじゃないかなあとおもうよ。六の字は陸の字をあてるんじゃないかな。
>>134910941
Maybe. Still, it's not like it's a general pluralizer. When I hear 写真たち I think more in terms of "those pictures", "that particular set of pictures", which kind of justifies using the たち instead of just writing 写真.
>>134911003
ねぇ、真面目な話、一番好きなマシマロはだれだい
>>134910867
７から１０、あと２０は、うろ覚えだけど、こんなかんじだったとおもうよ。
７漆
８撥
９仇
１０拾
２０廿
１２には特別な呼び名が、片仮名で「ダース」が当てられてるよ。輸入された時に、漢字を当てなかったのか、あてたけど普及しなかったんだね。
>>134911003
すまない、陸だ。
「鯥」が違うんだ。
>>134910867
Do you know if these substitutes are only for numbers ? I mean, are there other government-related substitutes for other (common) kanji?
>>134910258
So you define literature based solely off the medium and target audience? Fifty Shades of Gray is an adult novel and thus literature, but Cross Channel isn't because it's a VN? 人類は衰退しました isn't because it's an LN?
Fuck you.
>>134911174
>廿
丗
Today, my nihongo teacher mr Dashinaka-san told me that even the Japanese have a hard time learning kanji and that most of them can't read texts with high amounts of kanji. It made me wonder, once again, why the Japanese haven't moved away from the complicated chinese letters completely when they have not only one but two beautiful alphabets.
>>134911278
Please never post here on /djt/ again.
>>134911174
>８撥
８捌ではないの？
>>134911192
According to the old man, it was meant to make official/government papers harder to falsify, also used in archaic books.
>>134911233
I don't really care about what you think. As much as I like visual novels, I don't consider them as literature. Literature is not only about quality writing. Mind you, I don't consider Fifty Shades a great literary work. You should be a little less sensitive.
>>134911278
Because only-kana text is way fucking harder, especially considering how the mound can sound similar.
>>134911369
So what is the criteria for being considered literature?
Oh shit, the whole thread is getting serious. All these 昔話 is making me feel like a toddler speaking in Japanese.
>>134911400
Depends, I don't have the same conception of literature in Japanese than in English/French for instance. That's because I'm not even at the point where I consider myself fluent enough to read adult novels in Japanese. That's also why I made the scope of Japanese literature larger than English for instance. When I'll be able to read 人間失格, surely my opinion will change on Japanese literature. I did not mean to offense you when saying VN/LNs aren't literature, some of them are way better than most of the so called "adult novels".
優 is too hard to write.
>>134911320
>捌
訂正してくれてありがとう。捌が正しいね
本当にたまにしか当てないからね
あたしの手元の漢和辞典によると
>「証書・証券などでは八の代わりに捌を用いることがある。」
だそうだよ。
>>134911481
It'll come with practice.
>>134911474
I still have no idea what you're trying to say when you say "literature".
>>134911369
>Literature is not only about quality writing.
This sums up your idiocy perfectly. What the fuck? I assume it's about recognition by a certain group of "literary scholars" who circlejerk about Shakespeare all day? Do you seriously read to feel good about how your tastes coincide with theirs or to brag to your friends or something, instead of reading to appreciate artistic masterpieces of every form?
>>134911481
Try writing 遽 or 齎 and then we'll talk.
>>134911481
That's because you didn't do RTK.
墜落
堕落
Okay
>>134911514
Books that have made an impact in their time by addressing certain issues or having a reflexion about something that was important. Books that are still read today because they still have something to teach us or tell us even if they weren't written today. Books that are still studied today. I also consider as literature poetry that has had a great impact on the mind of the individuals of their time. (For instance, Shakespear, Keats, Camus, Hugo and so on.)
>>134911551
I don't think RTK has anything to do with how sharp my pencil is.
>>134911538
I dislike the mix of horizontal and curved lines in general when there are too many levels vertically, it's hard to keep proportions right.
>>134911651
Something the matter?
>>134911538
すごく使うのに、きれいに書きにくいのは「火」の字かなあ。（火曜日で毎週使う）
書き順が、点、点、人の順番なので
字形が汚くなっちゃうよう。おにいちゃん
>>134911536
You're taking this sentence out of its context, I was saying this in opposition to VNs. If you write me an essay that's extraordinarily beautiful on how you drove your car I'm the garage, sorry but no, this is not literature.
>>134911474
>French
Never mind, it all makes sense now. French people are the stupidest. Unlike other European countries they don't realise how their language and culture is bland and pointless, so they don't bother to teach their kids English properly. But unlike Japan, they don't have the intelligence or creativity to make worthwhile literature of their own. The result is an entire country of idiots watching and reading English stuff the same way most of /a/ do Japanese stuff, it's hilarious.
>>134911736
And if someone were writing beautifully about a bird taking flight or the wind in the trees?
>>134911678
So what you're saying is that it has to have [social] commentary and be popular among readers and fellow authors at the same time. Okay.
>>134911736
Your definition of literature is basically "something some pompous twat decided to put in his textbook about literature". Please refrain from using that here and stick to the simpler and more practical "something expressed in writing".
>>134911706
Yes, it's the same jukugo but with a single changed radicalyes I know it's not actually that much of a problem one of them has the pig radical so can just say pigs falling because pigs fly or whatever blahblah
>>134911766
Only the Germanics widely peak English in Europe. It's not only France that doesn't care to know it all that well.
>>134911795
>it's the same jukugo but with a single changed radical
This has to be the stupidest thing I've read today.
>>134911678
In other words, books considered literature by the small group of people who decide the English curriculum. Let them choose for you, discard anything not accepted.
>>134911736
I'd tell you to go read Cross Channel, but your Japanese is clearly too shit to appreciate it. So, fuck off.
>>134911785
There's a lot of good literature even nowadays but I don't know much of English literature so sorry about that. But still, literature in the way I think about it still exists.
>>134911771
Depends on what exactly the context or the intention of the author was.
勝を１０回書いてから
豚を書こうとすると
隊の右側を書いてしまうよ。
あいきゃんとらーん、かんじ
>>134911726
毎日練習が必要と思うが
>>134911912
You couldn't be more vague about your idea of literature.
>>134911736
I can easily see a book about man driving a car and another man being a garage to be noteworthy piece of literature if handled properly.
>>134911849
Did I hurt your feelings ? The only reason I didn't put more recent examples that are not in the curriculum are because I never studied in an English school. If you want, I can tell you about a lot of French authors that I consider literature, even though they're not in our curriculum. Pascal Quignard would be quite an example for instance.
>>134911833
What? It's nearly the exact same two kanji but with a single radical change
Why so salty anon-kun
>>134911965
Let me put it in a way that's easier for you to understand He wants to read works written by famous acclaimed authors from at least 20 years ago which are considered literature by the literati and the snobs from /lit/.
>>134911983
As long as there is something to it, why not. I mean, some literary works have zero plot and are still quite good.
imoutoさん、処女ではないのにｗｗ
>>134912032
Wrong, I took the example of Quignard just before who is a contemporary author whose books I still consider as literature.
Why are you all so salty anyway?
>>134911965
Yes, because the limits of literature itself are up to debate.
>>134912077
>Why are you all so salty anyway?
Because you think that literature is inherently good.
Because you seek out things to read based on what a group of people you don't even know arbitrarily decided.
Because you imply that this pool of books which are considered "literature" by said group is better than "non-literature" books.
>>134912077
I'm kind of salty because you keep acting completely oblivious to the critiques to your definition, despite how glaringly obvious the arbitrariness of it is.
>>134911995
I can think of nothing less pleasant than a list of disgusting French snobs. Your country has contributed nothing of worth for centuries, your language is physically painful to listen to, and your only purpose is for us to laugh at when you get keked by Muslims. How was Paris?
Also your incredibly shit English is proof you're incapable of learning other languages, so give up on Japanese and go back to sucking your professor's cock.
>>134912057
処女受胎やら回教のフーリーみたいなのは処女信仰につながってると思うけど
にほんには処女信仰の神話ってなにがあっただろうかな～ってくらい少なくって、産む神様ばっかりだから、あんまり信仰対象ではないんだとおもうよ。
>>134912136
Yes I consider literature to be good. What's wrong with that ? Did you just completely ignore what I wrote in this paragraph?
>>134912157
I'm sure /a/ knows better than anyone what literature is right?
>>134912197
Nice try but I'm not French. Also come back when you'll have actual arguments.
>>134912209
>Did you just completely ignore what I wrote in this paragraph?
Actually you're the one who ignored my entire post.
You should probably take this to /r/learnjapanese, I'm sure they'll treat your delicate sensibilities better there.
Reminder
>>134912260
I replied to your first paragraph, the other two were bullshit if you take the time to understand what I said. I'm just defining literature, I don't give a fuck about what you read and I sure didn't only literature.
>>134912309
Oh fuck I remember this shit
>>134912234
Based off the list of French-speaking countries, you're probably African.
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>>134912335
Not even close.
>>134912309
I think, therefore I am, which means that VNs are indeed literature.
>>134912352
So either Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, Vanuatu or some tiny European city state?
>>134912428
What the fuck is Vanuatu ?
>>134912203
>処女受胎やら回教のフーリーみたいなのは処女信仰につながってると思うけど
確かに
私もチンポが欲しい
>>134912428
It's unlikely he's from there but there'a place in Italy that has French as an official language.
>>134912464
It's a bunch of islands in the pacific. Used to be colonised by France apparently, hence the French, but became an independent country.
Realistically though he's a lot more likely to be in some country without French as the official language but in a French speaking region, than in Vanuatu, given how it's almost all natives, aka poor savages.
>>134912209
>I'm sure /a/ knows better than anyone what literature is right?
No, I'm telling you to use a more objective definition precisely because trying to define it as "good" or "renowned" is asking for shitty discussions.
>>134912469
なんかの話で、ついてる女の神様が、いたような気がするよ。
かみさまのすることが是という価値観からいうと
にほんに限っては、あとから付けるのも善なんだろうとおもうよ。
ただし今の法的には多分ダメ
「先週、写真を沢山撮りましたか。」
How would I answer no? The 沢山 is confusing me. Can I just answer:
「先週、写真を沢山撮りませんでした。」
or do I have to use another word like in the case of 毎日 / 良く / 大抵 ?
VNs aren't literature because they're games.
Just like Mass Effect is not a book even though it has terrific story and writing, VNs aren't either.
Oh god this guy is back. Don't respond.
>>134912741
I'm no expert at this but I would suggest あまり
Also depends on the exact message you're trying to convey.
>>134910351
させてくれ かな
>>134912760
According to the strawpoll literature isn't even real so it doesn't matter. And even if it were, it would be literature according to the strawpoll.
>>134912760
>VN
>game
Guys, lets go talk about Flyable Heart on /v/
It's fact finding time
http://strawpoll.me/6300234
>>134912760
Sup, you can't 'read' a game-kun. Missed ya.
>>134912741
「先週、写真を沢山撮りましたか。」
Noの意味
>「はい。撮ろうとは思ったのですが、あいにくー」
がにほんごらしい答えなんじゃないかなあとおもうよ。
>>134912857
A fact is a fact is I say it's a fact, hence all of the alternatives are wrong.
>>134912725
You are wrong. Gods don't exist. Japanese people don't actually believe the Shinto myths, they just follow the traditions for tradition's sake. While Christians and Muslims are just dumb.
>>134912822
No, according to the poll, you aren't real. It doesn't specifically comment on the state of literature itself, but rather suggests that it depends on your condition.
>>134912895
May I direct you to
> Stating your opinion as fact makes it a fact
>>134912914
That would imply anybody can state their opinion and make it a fact. Only my opinions are facts.
>>134912933
Actually, all opinions exist in a quantam probability of being fact or trash until I speak them, afterwards all other possible states of that opinion turn false and only mine remains true.
>>134912725
何故日本で陰毛を剃るのは僻事？
>>134913094
江戸時代の話で、廓の中に剃毛の習慣があったらしいよ。
で、その名残りで、「売女と間違われたら困るという事で、普通の娘は剃ったらだめ」みたいなかんじらしいという話をどこかで聞いたことがあるよ。
まつわる神話はしらないよ。
>>134913245
そうか
俺はあなたをセックスしてもいい？
I want to murder the person who created anki
>>134913870
I want to sexually pee in his butt (no homo)Why, though?
The kanji in the bottom right is the literal translation to OPM, right?
Does anyone know how you'd spell "One Clutch Man" in kanji? As in a car clutch.
>>134913870
Feel free to use wanikani then.
>>134914061
>kanji
>>134914056
Because it's the most monotonous shit in the universe
>>134914061
ワンクラッチマン
>>134914104
Would probably make me rage less because it's so casual and watered down but
>paying for shit
>>134914137
Did I embarrass myself? Sorry. ;_;
>>134914061
>The kanji in the bottom right is the literal translation to OPM, right?
I don't know what you mean, but the katakana on the bottom left say "Bark Bread 10,000". Not sure what that means either.
>>134914161
You did. You should start learning Japanese so that you can avoid making such silly mistakes in the future.
>>134914179
bottom right*
>>134914061
No, it's the pronunciation. It's "wan panchi man". This is common for all anime that have English titles, they'll have the pronunciation under it.
>>134914214
It's wan pan man you nonce
>>134914214
Actually it says "wan pan man". Guess they shorted punch.
>>134914255
Well, it sounds much catchier this way.
>>134914255
>>134914244
>>134914214
>>134914203
>>134914179
How would you spell "wan clutch man" in katakana?
Sorry for being a retard, killing myself after this.
>>134914306
The answer was already given to you. Just look up.
>>134914306
コッククラッチマン
>>134914306
It says in >>134914244
ワンクラッチマン
>>134914331
Meant to link >>134914160
>>134914306
ウアヌ・クラッチュ・メーン
>>134914331
>>134914355
Thanks.
>>134914329
>>134914356
Do these two say "I am a retard"? I don't know which one is correct.
Would a native Japanese person be able to get the joke if they read it?
>>134914427
Learn katakana, for fuck's sake.
>>134914456
You're right, but I need this now. Learning katakana would take a while.
>>134914490
コッククラッチマン is the correct answer.
>>134914490
http://realkana.com/practice/
It literally takes 2 seconds.
>>134914427
Wait, is there supposed to be a joke in there somewhere?
>>134914529
Kotsu kukuratsuchi man?
>>134914627
Are you implying it's a bad joke or do you really not get it?
>>134914683
I have no idea what the joke is supposed to be. I don't watch or read this shit by the way.
>>134914683
>i don't know what the sokuon is
>>134914683
Are you perhaps retarded?
>>134914729
>>134914739
Guys please, yes I am retarded. I just compared the katakana syllables and got this.
Thanks for the 3 versions, but which one is the most correct?
>>134914792
コッククラッチマン, mate.
>>134914792
I got you covered.
チンポダイスキ
>>134914792
It kind of depends on the context
It's probably コッククラッチマン in your case.
>>134914830
Chinpo daisuki?
>>134914792
碗苦羅血饅
>>134914827
>>134914944
Guys I don't wanna be a smart ass, but this says cock clutch man.
