How bad is Escaflowne ?
>>134392489
It's not really terribly bad but I didn't really feel like it delivered much in the second half, great OST and OP though. Looks purdy too.
>>134392489
It's great, one of my favourites, movie was just alright but kinda unnecessary.
>>134392489
>That poster
PICKED UP
>>134392586
I heard it was cut down from 39 episodes to 26
>>134392489
It's good. Definitly worth watching. Great mix between mecha and fantasy.
Also
>giant robot with capes
>>134392640
The poster is from the movie.
>>134392489
I like it.
Movie sucked other than good visuals for its time. Watch the TV series instead.
NE
>>134392709
>Looks better than 2015 Garo armor fights
What happened to anime?
>>134393007
Evangelion ruined it.
>>134393007
Good question Mr. Bond.
>>134393064
Good answer Nintendo.
>>134393007
Escaflowne's budget was huge
The series is one of those things that that ever single anime aficionado of a certain age bracket will have watched. It has some flaws -- most glaringly with the rushed latter half -- but it still stands as a classic.
I still remember the Yoko Kanno concert at Otakon (think it was 1999?), where the audience spontaneously started singing the lyrics to "Yakusoku Wa Iranai", it was one of the most beloved anime OPs of that era.
It's a shame about the movie though. It was so terrible that it pretty much killed the franchise. The movie had a certain viciousness to it, and was completely lacking the romanticism and wonder of the earlier series.
>>134393120
>le budget meme
Kyoani has average budgets.
Hell, One Punch Man has an average budget.
>>134393234
I'm not going to bother finding source because I'm 90% sure you're shitposting, but if you actually care, a few minutes in your favorite search engine will get you Escaflowne's budget.
>>134393234
>Believing that shit
You're retarded
Never seen the movie version.
It's great but it was promised a second season that never happened and was forced to rush everything near the end.
Absolutely worth watching though.
Best Sunrise Mecha series.
Mecha was the best before CGI shit
where can one find the movie, it's not on baka.bt or nyaa
>>134393319
Prove me wrong then.
>>134393299
Not shitposting but saying animation quality = budget is just stupid.
>>134392709
I was never too interested in the series, but that webm has convinced me to watch.
>>134393391
Yes, it is.
>>134392489
GOD TIER OST
Its up there for me along with Fate/zero OST for having the most epic OST in anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_49H_N43jQ
>>134393412
I'm not claiming it's a hard-and-fast rule, but they're clearly linked, and comparing Escaflowne to Garo as examples of 1996 and 2014/15 is stupid.
>>134393512
>epic
>ALLCAPS
>its
>fatefag
Kill yourself.
>>134393648
You dont have to be a fatefag to consider Fate/zero OST greatness.
>>134393512
>that transformation scene in episode 4
Fuck now I want to rewatch it.
>>134393590
Okay I agree but I didn't make the comparison.
It was boring, but I liked how they did the main character at the beginning of the movie.
>>134393415
Watch it for the music. It's truly out of this world.
>>134393512
>GOD TIER OST
So much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_FeLLZ7eIU
I heard that the reason the ost is so good is because Yoko's husband helped out.
>>134393234
>Kyoani has average budgets.
I've never seen an inside source on that, and I'd stake my life that Nichijou had a higher budget than the average KyoAni anime, anyway. Meanwhile, look at Dennou Coil, or SAC, or Akira, for evidence of how budget contributes to visual quality.
>>134392489
The series is just fantastic.
The movie is just awful, though.
>>134393234
OPM has veterans doing the anime and, although good looking at times, doesn't completely stand out.
Kyoani does insane work for their budget and who knows how they do it.
Disregarding that, the budget for Escaflowne helped a lot.
>>134392489
A cluster fuck of genres but still worth the watch. Also medieval mechas, nuff said.
>>134392489
Series great, movie bad.
>>134392489
https://youtu.be/VJwjx1xhd1c
>>134393512
>Dance of Curse
Dance of Curse might not seem that special to a person who hasn't watched the series -- but if you have, it indelibly will be associated with the concepts of Escaflowne's first flight and epic mecha battles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK38WzlNvfk#t=3m
Perfect example of how a strong visuals can synergize with a strong soundtrack.
>>134395054
Goddamn, I really must rewatch Escaflowne again.
>that moment Dance of Curse is used with the first step
Arghhh. It really makes the battle actually epic.
I also love how the villains have only one type of solid liquid that doesn't make it complicated to know what they can do. And also how fast they notice Hitomi being important and try to capture her.
Anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgdNSXx5w5I
>>134393839
>>134394827
I'd almost forgotten how good Memory of Fanelia and Epistle were.
>>134392489
Don't let the character designs put you off, too. It's very different from the modern style, but Nobuteru Yuki's designs will grow on you after a few episodes.
>>134395292
Has any anime since Escaflowne captured the essence of a brave Knight serving and protecting his lady so well?
>>134392489
The ending was retarded, everything else it's pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJGLNkAnwIM
Almost two decades on, and no mecha show has done Romanticism as well as Escaflowne.
>>134392489
Better than 99% of the anime made in the last 20 years.
>you're manually aware it's been 20 years
Time flies.
>Isaac Newton
Why?
All you faggots hating on the movie. What the hell, it was not bad at all. It wasn't the TV series, but it wasn't trying to be.
It looks great and the OST is fucking amazing too. SORA still gives me chills.
>>134398042
>Why?
Because Issac Newton was a key figure in the conflict between the Romanticism and Enlightenment movements?
I saw scaflowne 2 weeks ago and i liked it, but the end really dont convence me
Its a great anime ruined by its ending.
It went from 8/10 to 6/10 for me just because of the shitty final episode
>>134393140
>It was so terrible that it pretty much killed the franchise
It was dead to begin with since it was not so successful in Japan, the movie was made only because it sold well in US. As for the movie being shit, yeah, can't fight against it.
>>134398085
It wasn't trying to be? Then why was it called Escaflowne? Why not make something brand new entirely? Let's put this aside though.
You know, when making a re-imagining, you don't have to try to be the original, you're right. You can change things. You can be something completely different. It's probably even better that way, instead of being a carbon copy. You can defend something the way you're doing. The problem is, hopefully, you'd do something good with the changes. Where the Escaflowne movie fails is that it takes most of the things that made the original so good in the first place and just ruins them. Everything is made so much worse and the entire feeling of Escaflowne is detroyed.
I think this post >>134393140 in the thread put it best:
>The movie had a certain viciousness to it, and was completely lacking the romanticism and wonder of the earlier series.
>>134393924
KyoAni does all, and I mean ALL of their shit in-house, which is pretty rare. Only Ghibli does that anymore and they're basically going under. It also helps that they have their own school to train animators into future employees. They know what they're doing, basically.
>>134400021
I thought it was pretty successful in Japan.
>>134392489
>it's so bad Banpresto never bother putting it in their SRW games
that should tell you how bad it is
>>134400058
I enjoy both.
>>134400130
Ghibli's closing shop because their directors are done. They definitely aren't bankrupt.
It was meant for girls, so it must be awful.
Mech design was top notch and some of the costumes, overall though it didn't leave much of an impression on me.
Probably had something to do with the fact it was ultimately about a high school girl choosing which fantasy boy she wants more.
>>134400275
This anime has something for everyone.
>>134392489
wow. haven't heard that name in years. watched it circa 2008, found it meh/ok but then again the mecha thingy doesnt really do much for me. watched code geass and my reaction was the same
>>134401752
>haven't heard that name in years
Have you been avoiding everyone who watches anime for years or something?
>>134401752
not really, but it is an old anime, with new stuff being pumped out every season not many people know of it. definitely not as many as you think
^quoted wrong post
>>134400275
That's complete bullshit
Attaching a "Shoujo" tag to the Escaflowne anime has always been retarded, anime doesn't have clear cut demographics the way manga does.
>>134398085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjB3SQ1EXAU
La la la la la la la la lah, la la lah, lah laaah.Fine taste
>>134402009
Since you're clearly new to /a/, I assume the people you've been talking to are mostly casuals, then?
>>134402042
mostly, yes
not new here though, just a sporadic lurker
>>134402125
You don't lurk nearly enough, because your posts stand out a lot.
Incredible voice acting
>>134392489
Escaflowne was overshadowed by Evangelion. Escaflowne was flowy, romantic and reveled in itself where Evangelion was harsh, abrupt and deliberately tore down the setting they spent the first half of the series constructing. Evangelion's success shaped the kind of series that came out for the rest of the late 90's and early 2000s.
>>134402559
> deliberately tore down the setting they spent the first half of the series constructing
How? They barely even constructed a setting to begin with, it's incredibly bare-bones.
>>134402650
The characters and their relationships, Shinji and the other pilots roles, the Eva units, their reason for fighting, etc. From the moment he crushes Toji's entry plug everything starts falling apart.
>>134393007
Late s1 Garo fights were fucking amazing, but I get your point.
Escaflowne is a type of show they just don't make anymore, and its a sad thing.
>>134393140
>Otakon 1999
Damn and I thought I was old because I haven't missed an Otakon since 2006. Anon are you in your late 30s?
>>134393356
cgi can look good
OI FOLKEN
>>134398695
Sounds like Kyoukai no Kanata.
>>134392489
>that poster
why americans fuck up this much?
>>134404062
S2 Garo fights is what I think he is talking about. And those are just terrible.
>>134404114
>Damn and I thought I was old because I haven't missed an Otakon since 2006. Anon are you in your late 30s?
Yes, and a Wizard. My first Otakon was 1995.
>>134398042
>Why?
Why not? The fact that Issac fucking Newton was the main villain, was foreshadowed in episode 1 and never actually named was fucking brilliant.
I also love the fact that fate was a natural law of the universe just like gravity. And honestly, the man was kind of fucking insane in real life.
>>134404623
Please don't compare Escaflowne to that garbage
>>134405004
Yes! The way Escaflowne treated fate like science and the attempts to manipulate it in a literal sense were one of the things I loved about it.
>>134393749
Huh ? It's one of Kajiuras weakest productions.
>>134392489
It introduced the world to Maaya Sakamoto, so it can't all be bad.
Was it all just a dream? Or a vision? No it all really happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYCeveOuYCM
>>134404230
God, I need to rewatch Escaflowne abridged, one of the few truly good abridged series that actually finished.
>>134395054
motherfuckin Balgus
wish we had gotten more of him or others as badass as him
guess that would have lessened how badass he was though
>>134407135
Oh? Link.
not really bad, but It's not good. Jesus fuck off nostalgia faglords
>>134402245
best girl
>>134408733
I knew exactly why I had that boner.
>>134408733
Excellent taste.
>>134408981
>not liking sluts
>>134408996deleted my post because for a moment I doubted if the slug scene was actually happened, but gawdamn it did
>>134392489
As others have said, the anime series is strong, and the movie is mostly a cash in.
Escaflowne hits a nice spot between experimental and mainstream ideas. It blends shounen and shoujo elements rather successfully into a fairly unique world. The original plot was cut down to fit into 26 episodes, which I feel makes the series stronger. It's denser with a faster pace. The music is good. The mecha and character designs are good. The plot is good.
Dilandau is character type that I have not seen successfully duplicated elsewhere.
>>134392489
I've never met anyone who disliked the movie who wasn't female.
>>134392489
Still consider this one of the all-time best soundtracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv50DzU2l4s
>>134409448
>Dilandau is character type that I have not seen successfully duplicated elsewhere.
Because the character itself was a clusterfuck that didn't make any fucking sense to begin with.
Has great aesthetics but the plot falls apart sharply towards the end and the cast is mostly insufferable. Much like Do You Remember Love and other oldies its loved largely by nostalgiafags who were into anime when it started getting big in the west but unlike most oldies it still mangaes to hold up remarkably well despite its flaws. Movie however is complete and utter shit and is only good for the animation but beyond that its lacking a lot of what made the TV series worked.
>>134408637
Here's the first episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNRHPJ4_SPs
>>134400334
When I was 11 I had such a hardon for that fucking cat girl.
>>134411023
thanks buddy
>>134395334
My nigga
>>134402029
Literally the onyl good thing of the movie.
>>134392489
Why Hitomi kissed everyone but not Vaan?
>>134410109
Anon, most of /a/ wasn't born when DYRL came out, let alone into anime. Relative newfags like it because it's good.
>>134392489
Less bad than your favorite anime.
>>134404230
It's FOLKEN YO you pleb
>>134393007
They dont give a shit about Crimson Moon.
At least Seimei is perfect
>>134409917
What? It made perfect sense.
>Draw a girl
>Write them like a really cliche girl
>Call it a boy
>Fool no-one
Best character, not that that was much of an accomplishment.
>>134404145
>silky smooth 24fps
absolutely disgusting
>>134392489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJuG3Guknw
Serie's intro was nice
>>134404145
I hate to be that guy but.. source?
>>134413863
newfag of the century
>>134411851
To make a point about how their love is pure and not just some superficial physical attraction.
>"Shoji Kawamori first proposed the series after a trip to Nepal, during which he visited the foggy mountain region and pictured a hidden world where an epic focusing on both fate and divination should be set. When he returned, he proposed the series to Bandai Visual and Sunrise. According to Kawamori, his pitch for the series was simple: "if Macross was robotic mecha and love songs, why not a story about robotic mecha and divining powers?"
The world needs more "robotic mecha and X". Although I suppose that train of thought is also what gets us stuff like Cross Ange.
>>134413863
gatchaman crowds
>>134405043
Kyoukai no Kanata is miles better than Escaflowne faglord.
>>134392489
I liked the anime but hated the movie.
It's an interesting spin on shojo, and has medieval mecha. Pretty interesting all around.
Noses could cut cheese but the music is great.
>>134416513
>Although I suppose that train of thought is also what gets us stuff like Cross Ange
I don't see the problem.
>>134415438
You can have a deep, pure love & still kiss.
Also, I love this and, but forever hate the ending.
>>134409521
So females disliked movie, because I know quite a few who did, b/c it was awful.
>>134411851
To make you rage I guess? I raged as fuck when I watched it as a kid. But I guess Van somewhat deserved it since he said he loved her but he was being completely obvious that he just wanted Hitomi's necklace to help him in his battles. Then he learned that he cares for her much more than just for what she can provide for him.
True love indeed.
>>134412630
The OP is easily one of the best of all time, and unlike most it perfectly fits the series
>>134418392
This desu
>>134418392
Yeah, but then she gave it back to him & ditched him. What was that about?
>>134418392
Don't change the fact that she should have stayed with him. The ending was shit.
>>134418338
>You can have a deep, pure love
>& still kiss
No.
Folken died like a bitch. He didn't deserve that.
