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Afterwords out
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index:NT_Volume14_Afterword
>mfw last Index NT14 thread now that tranlations are over
>What did they ever do about dinner?
Goddammit Kamachi.
>So if he makes any further moves from now on, he might destroy some other sanctuaries. And I’m sure that would be a great shock to the hearts of Kamijou and those around him.
Do it please Kamachi.
>>133699651
I knew it.
Those segments were a lie.
REMINDER KAMISATO ONLY DID 15% OF THINGS WRONG.
TOUMA WAS THE ONE THAT FUCKED THE MORE THIS VOLUME.
ALSO MOST OF HIS ARGUMENTS HELD NO REAL POWER AND WERE FUCKING RETARDED.
So Touma is ded?
>>133699595
Is it weird I think that Kamisato is super qt, handsome and I'd let him dominate me?
Also that fucking suit, itmakes me wet.
It was rape.
> What will Kamisato try to do and how will Kamijou respond? What will Kamijou say and what will Kamisato shout back? I hope you will wait with both unease and anticipation in your hearts.
So, Kamisato is going to be the Accelerator of New Testament?
JS06 I LOVE YOU.
BUT NOW PLEASE CONTINUE TRANSLATING ADAM IN PUBERTY.
MY DICK CAN'T WAIT.
>>133699781
Uh, no. Accelerator is the Acceleratir of New Testament
>>133699828
>not Zashiki Warashi, THE best Kamachi novel
>What will Kamisato try to do and how will Kamijou respond?
So confirmed what we already knew I guess. Touma is fine and next novel might be about Kamisato's next attempt at revenge.
RAILGUN CHAPTER WHEN
ACCEL CHAPTER WHEN
HEAVY OBJECT V11 WHEN
NEW ZASHIKI WHEN
WILL SOMEONE EVER TRANSLATE MORE OF THAT BLOOD SOMETHING NOVEL BY KAMACHI? IT WAS PRETTY BAD FROM THE SMALL PART I READ, BUT STILL
>>133699828
Where do you read that? Doesn't seem like it's on bakatsuki.
>>133699897
>implying Kamisato won't die from rabies next volume
>>133699831
Since NT1 he didn't got a protagonist of the volume role so far.
So it seems Kamachi will give Kakeru that.
Not saying Accelerator won't get his however.
>He also finished off a certain dog
Nice.
>What did they ever do about dinner?
Cannibalism
>>133699691
Didn't a day pass already so technically that hot pot was basically breakfast/lunch?
>>133699929
>Implying he won't die accidentaly by snu snu
>>133699925
erolnsDOTblogspotDOTcom
The blog by your queen js06 herself, where she helps poor anons to masturbate.
>Doge is kill
Fucking Kamisato, stop ruining everything
>>133699929
>Implying he won't be tied down and gang-raped to death by all 100 of his haremettes at the same time
>what did they ever do about dinner
Everyone who said he was fine because "hurr, he's eating hot pot" 100% confirmed full of shit
But somehow that makes things more confusing.
Is he implying everything is fine and now they can worry about something as ordinary as eating?
Or is he saying "shits about to get real, don't take that silly scene seriously, I just ended a novel without telling you what happened to Touma"
>>133699986
>>133700004
>wanting brain-washed girls to pretty much be raped by a normal guy
why
>>133699781
Accelerator was never Touma's foil in the same way Kamisato can be.
If anything, Kamisato is the new Fiamma.
>>133699998
He was eventually gonna die anyways. Don't tell me you never saw it coming.
>>133699996
Praise her loliness.
Why doesn't Yuiitsu just send Doge to Heaven Canceller?
>>133700012
Touma is fine, m8.
Kamisato's WR ate Touma's arm, SUDDENLY DRAGONS, then his arm grew back.
>>133700060
Heaven Canceller is not a vet
>>133700060
She wouldn't reach him in time.
Index is dying.
*2. *68,684 *68,684 Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index Vol.14
>>133700072
Tell me where it says that. Did js06 miss a part
>>133699969
It still is the same day.
Poor Crowley just lost all of his friends
I bet Laura's laughing herself to death in the tub over how hard she fucked his heart over
>>133700129
Epilogue. Kamisoto phone call to Ellen. He said he lost to Touma because he didn't expect IT to come out of IB and attack him.
>>133700129
>Tell me where it says that
>What will Kamisato try to do and how will Kamijou respond?
read between the lines would you.
>>133700072
But how Kamisato is still alive? Clearly DRAGONS should've done a better job than that. I doubt Touma would ever spare the dude, he was clearly going for the throat with Kamisato after his little speech about taking revenge on the Magic Gods.
>>133700038
I said protagonic role, not foil.
>>133700060
She is a Kihara, and they never agree with HC's based methods.
>>133700125
>look at how retarded I am
It was on sales against Mahouka's new hyped volume int the same week/day.
Yet still was able to sell more than NT13.
Mikoto was a mistake.
>2. *68,684 *68,684 Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index Vol.14
Kek, just keeps getting worse.
>>133700199
He lost to IT, not Touma.
>>133700143
How? Kamisoto faction had their bath, dinner and was about to sleep. Ellen even said they had to wait a day for her analysis to be done before they can do anything. And remember, Touma had his hotpot dinner when Birdway used the fake organ growing out of his chest as an ingredient. It was that scene that Touma learned that it was made out of cornstarch.
>>133700222
>dragons
Not the dragons but the invisible thing
Kamisato said that there was a lag from WR.
AKA he fought IT and was able to supress it until Touma regrew his arm(unless Touma was WRed which I doubt)
>>133700222
>Implying Touma will ever actually kill an actual person
>>133700252
It is Kamachi's punishment for killing Neph and creating Kamisato Kakeru, one of the worst characters of Raildex as of NT14.
>>133700256
Anon, the LN is fully translated. You really can't outright lie here. During his talk with Doge:
>>"Not all that much. As you can see, I was beaten by Kamijou Touma. That was when I first realized it." ...
Why didn't Touma just force the sisters to buy them all a pizza?
It's not like Patty isn't carrying a dozen credit cards on her body
>>133700222
>Touma ever killing someone
You've not been reading this series properly I think.
So it does appear that Touma is at least fine in the sense that he didn't fully get WR'd because of the "how will Kamijou respond?" bit. But I wouldn't say he's safe. Did he lose IB? Is IT on the lose? Is Kamisato still after Othinus? Now that Kamisato knows about IT, will a hypothetical Round 2 be his win? It sounds more like Touma won part 1 because surprise IT but not the whole thing
>>133700345
>one of the worst characters of Raildex as of NT14.
My sides, do you know how many shit tier antagonists are in this series?
Nothing tops vento though.
>>133700222
Are you SERIOUSLY asking HOW Kamisato is alive?
And that motherfucking Touma would kill him?
Come the fuck on. Touma got really angry with him, but Kamisato isn't really a bad person like HP.
He saves people just because, he tries his best to leave unrelated people out of his fights, and aside from magic gods, he doesn't really "kill" anyone else.
Haimura's coments:
http://pastebin.com/Nn2AFF8x
>>133700228
>It was on sales against Mahouka's new hyped volume int the same week/day.
What the fuck does this have to do with anything? This isn't anime where the bds cost 9k yen and you have to choose what anime to buy. These are books that cost 500 yen and it's easy to buy two or three. It's simply that Mahouka fans greatly outnumber Index fans nowadays.
>Still able to sell more than NT13
*1. 56,549 *56,549 Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index Vol.13
These are NT 13s sales for the first three days while the 68k for NT14 is for 6 days. This is going to sell less than NT 13.
>>133700449
This is not the first time Touma has lost his right hand. It always grew back. And despite losing IB so many times and IT materializing in the real world, it always ended up right back into his right hand. It's safe to say Touma still has IB and IT.
>>133700359
Oops, my bad. Somehow that part went flying over my head when I was reading. Anyway, this would make sense:
>Kamisato defeated Imagine Breaker
>IT appears and goes after him
>Kamisato manages to stop it, but is hurt in the process because of WR lag
>Touma regrews his arm and beats Kamisato
I guess that sequence of events would make sense? I still don't get why Kamachi didn't show the fight happening, though.
>>133700451
>Nothing tops vento though.
Fight me.
>Saronia the literal who villain
>>133700495
Not given how he cut off Kamisato.
And Kamisato himself said that even though he got beaten he used WR on the IT, so it felt more like a draw seeing how he got away like that with such a calm attitude.
How did they set up the Sample Shoggoth trap when World Rejector didn't even exist until three days ago? Who could learn about WR and set up that whole thing in three days?
>>133700449
It's been shown again and again that IB can't really be separated from him.
Like, it's not that Touma has Imagine Breaker, but that Imagine Breaker is part of Touma.
His arm is destroyed/stolen like Fiamma did?
He regrows that fucker.
>>133700574
Nigga was bleeding and coughing blood m8.
>>133700534
Keep telling that yourself.
>>133700449
>So it does appear that Touma is at least fine in the sense that he didn't fully get WR'd because of the "how will Kamijou respond?" bit. But I wouldn't say he's safe. Did he lose IB?
Probably not.
>Is IT on the lose?
Probably not.
>Is Kamisato still after Othinus?
Most likely, dude hates Magic Gods and she is the last one left.
>Now that Kamisato knows about IT, will a hypothetical Round 2 be his win? It sounds more like Touma won part 1 because surprise IT but not the whole thing
Who knows? Knowing Kamachi anything can happen.
>>133700546
>>133700585
What about the other questions
>>133700614
Just like Touma every time he wins a fight. Except Kamisato didn't got send to the hospital.
Also I just noticed something disturbing.
>Touma has HC as his doctor
>Kamisato has Claire as his doctor
>>133700012
>Everyone who said he was fine because "hurr, he's eating hot pot" 100% confirmed full of shit
>What will Kamisato try to do and how will Kamijou respond? What will Kamijou say and what will Kamisato shout back? I hope you will wait with both unease and anticipation in your hearts.
You do realize "what did they ever do about dinner" could mean they didn't go ahead and eat the shoggoth because eating shoggoth isn't exactly a smart idea even if they set it up already, right?
I mean, that was the running background plot wasn't it? They try to do something for dinner, they set something up but it doesn't work out, they then try something else. The grocery shopping, losing the ingredients, the sausage, the fruit then the shoggoth.
Also, asking what will happen in the future between the 2 guys should already give you enough hint that he's fine.
>>133700648
>Most likely, dude hates Magic Gods and she is the last one left.
She doesn't seems to be his priority anymore.
I STILL think that the Dragons are part of Imagine Breaker.
They were shown to "crush" supernatural shit just like Imagine Breaker, but with a way stronger ferocity.
And that, of course, they're the "guards" of the Invisible Thing.
Touma's arm destroying anything unnatural would be just the "side-effect" of having the dragons inside his arm.
>>133700625
Keep being delusional.
>>133700665
>Except Kamisato didn't got send to the hospital.
Because he was alone and Touma probably passed out, or didn't see how fucked Kamisato got?
Come on, it's still a miracle that he was still alive after being bitten by a smart golden retriever.
>>133699595
>kamachi broke the safe places
fuck
>some people thinking Touma cut off Kamisato
He said he'll cut off Kamisato if he still persists in seeing Magic Gods as nothing but evil. Given that Othinus is perfectly fine and Kamisato was already having second thoughts about magic gods after seeing Neph's sacrifice, then it should be obvious that Touma didn't cut him off.
>What sanctuary will be destroyed next?
OH shit
>>133700681
>You do realize "what did they ever do about dinner" could mean they didn't go ahead and eat the shoggoth because eating shoggoth isn't exactly a smart idea even if they set it up already, right?
Or maybe Shoggoth already ate them instead. Here is an idea: why they don't let Kakine eat it?
>running background plot
More like the running gag, like how we keep arguing about pointless stuff every thread.
>>133700449
>will a hypothetical Round 2 be his win?
There won't be a round 2.
>>133700650
Other than the afterword which said Kamisoto will be attacking Touma again, we have no idea what will happen next. For all we know, Hamazura could suddenly show up and shoot Kamisoto with a handgun. Or Fräulein Kreutune comes and eats both IB and WR and becomes omnipotent. Or Himegami suddenly becomes relevant again. We just don't know.
>>133700775
Kamisato will probably get all tsundere over Othinus and other Magic Gods if they appear.
>H-hmph, I'll let you guys off this time. BUT THE NEXT TIME YOU'LL W-WISH FOR A NEW WORLD!
>>133700759
The
>Except Kamisato didn't got send to the hospital.
Means that Touma always ends fucked.
So even the way the get out of their fight is no different from the other.
>>133700574
Vento had one of the most retarded motivations I've seen in ages. I actually felt sorry for Touma having to deal with retards like her.
>Kamijou Touma should have been a normal high school boy, so what made him stray from that position?
touma confirmed moving out of the normal highschool boy phase
>>133700700
Yeah, after having this fight with Touma it appears he decided that he is actually gay for him.
How will Touma respond? What will Kamisato reply back?
Watch in the next episode of a First Time: Certain Normal Homossexual Boy.
>>133700775
>hen it should be obvious that Touma didn't cut him off.
Not that he could, probably Touma passed out like NT4.
Kamisato will rape one of the harem accepter girls.Othinus rape NT15
>>133700793
It will be destroyed, then repaired with super science or magic afterwards.
No big deal.
>>133700894
Her power still was one of the most OP.
Hell, someone like Kamisato would lose instantly against her.
Unless he didn't consider sending her to a new world an aggression.
>>133700839
>get all tsundere
Please no. The last thing we need is another tsundere character in this series, Aleister alone is an entire phase of tsunderes.
>>133700894
Retard motivations aside at least she was competent during their clashes.
Saronia only got the plot induced stupidity that make the characters run in circles the whole novel.
>>133700899
More like he got Aleister and someone else on his priorities now that they tried to mess with him.
Kamisato can destroy the windowless building.
>>133700899
To be fair Kamisato is the most handsome boy that appeared in the novels.
Try to prove me wrong.
Reminder Touma allowed someone to die near him.
>>133700920
>mfw this is actually the closest we get to any sort of Othinus porn
Fukou Da.
>Destroying and breaking things may have a negative nuance, but that is not necessarily the case in this series. After all, the protagonist’s power is Imagine Breaker. What will the destruction of these sanctuaries bring? What will Kamisato try to do and how will Kamijou respond? What will Kamijou say and what will Kamisato shout back? I hope you will wait with both unease and anticipation in your hearts.
so, if we break touma's sanctuaries
his school life that he really fucking loves where he can hang out wit his bros
and destroy the apartment where he can find comfort and peace and feed his pets
what will fucking happen to touma?
will he lost it?
>>133700920
Does vampire girl still exist? I kinda stopped reading that stuff ages ago when Bill Clinton started fighting goblins in Hawaii.
>>133700801
>More like the running gag
Just to clarify what you meant by running gag, are you saying it didn't happen? I don't think you are but in case you did, Kamachi dedicated the first part of the volume to establish it and every event afterwards was consistent with the timing of the events happening around it. It was used to keep track of the timeline of the events and an indirect way of showing what happened while being a comedy scene. It was a set-up for a gag but there was a purpose for it.
>>133700920
>Kamisato
>rape
Dude, that wouldn't be a normal thing to do.
I actually want Touma to steal all of Kamisato's harem and NTR him hard.
>>133700990
WR even lets him go pretty much undetected by fucking Aleister.
Even his nanocameras/thingies didn't notice him.
haimura comments
http://pastebin.com/Nn2AFF8x
>kamisato is failed gunha
>fake misaki was the first draft of Misaki
Which unused design will come back.
>>133700991
Really? I think Mikoto is a more handsome boy than him.
>>133701025
Holy shit I forgot about her.
Anyone remember when it was confirmed that IB cut in AC=dragons, while IB cut outdoors=Invisible Thing?
>>133701032
>Touma touches a Kamisato faction's girl head
>the Magic Gods brainwashing comes undone and she starts crying that she left everything and everyone she loved to follow a creepy highschool boy
>>133700581
They probably made the shoggoth assassin well before WR showed up, and only had to worry about when and where to deploy it.
>>133700920
Our harems are weirdly similar. I never excepted anyone else to have the trap in there.
>>133700952
What if WR protects him from DP's effects?
>>133701013
No
He will only truly lose it once his most important sanctuary is taken awayHis freeloaders
>>133701026
>It was a set-up for a gag but there was a purpose for it.
True, but I still found it strange Patricia wasn't with them in the end. Maybe she went back to the hospital?
Or maybe she decided to go cry together with someone else in Egypt.
>>133700990
>Kamisato takes out magic gods with no effort
>Crowley barely makes back alive storming their place
He could solo Crowley senpai.
>What did they ever do about dinner?
I DONT UNDERSTAND
>>133701139
>having a slut in your harem
>>133701189
>talking shit about Saiai
FUCK YOU
So if Kamisato is just going to show up, do some things, set up an interesting conflict that could actually progress the story, only to lose to an asspull off screen and give up what was the point? Presenting Touma cock to slobber on? Is everyone wrong about "Kamisato gave up"?
>>133700920
Any girls in this series that could take one for the team?
>“You ran away as soon as you saw me? Boring. You fled all throughout Academy City? Oh, how boring. Just when it seems I’ve caught up, you use compressed gas cylinders to create magma? Oh! How! Boring!! All of this has been a complete waste of time!! Think how I have to feel going along with it all! I’ve been waiting this whole time for you to use Imagine Breaker against me just once!! To be honest, the one thing that was most like you was the courageous dive from the rooftop at the very beginning! Everything has been so boring ever since that girl showed up!! You’ve shrunk down and curled up! You’ve only been using petty tricks to reduce the amount of damage!!!!!”
Reminder that High Priest just wanted to see his boy be the crazy punchaholic that he truly is, but others kept conspiring against that pure wish of his
>>133701103
Kamisato would be so happy if that happened.
Finally he could stop lying to himself and go have fun with the boys.
>>133701170
>True, but I still found it strange Patricia wasn't with them in the end. Maybe she went back to the hospital?
Leivinia probably didn't want her anywhere near Touma for too long.
>Motherfucking Kakeru has pic related on his harem
I don't want to keep on living. I give up.
>>133701103
>implying IB can negate the ashes of a fire
>>133701208
He probably meant saten.Saiai is a slut too though.
>>133701261
>Saten
>slut
No
>>133700991
OG Kakine looks pretty good though.
>>133701184
It is for the reader to decide.
I like to think Touma served his cum for the girls to eat.
>>133701240
He trully dindu nuffin wrong
>>133701109
Kamisato made it sound like it was designed specifically for him.
>>133701246
>>133701252
I want to see Touma going
>w-w-w-w-w-well m-m-maybe that was the only one, and the 99 others love you!
>>133700574
>so it felt more like a draw seeing how he got away like that with such a calm attitude.
He was literally full of blood from head to toe, barely able to move his arm and unable to open one his eyes
>>133701298
Hey, he saved Othinus and she is kind. That means HP was also kind, right?
>>133701288
He's more cute than handsome.
>>133701277
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
>>133701184
What's not to understand? They didn't eat the hotpot. Every ingredient listed so far was either eaten before it can be placed into the hotpot (sausage), or promptly discard after it did (cannibalization fruit). The joke is that despite settling on the hotpot for dinner, they never got to eat it.
>>133700514
Based Haimura for not shoehorning Kamisato's shit harem in the cover
>>133701240
>He just wanted Touma-senpai to notice him but he never did. ;_;
>This series has always provided the thrill of having the protagonist destroy a nicely built-up miniature garden.
so the next nicely built-up miniature garden that would be destroyed would be touma's?
>>133701364
She imagined herself with other girls, so if much she's a LESBIAN slut.
>>133701311
Kamisato thinks girls are around only to suck his dick too.
>>133701420
She's always teasing Uiharu about old men. She's clearly a slut.
Tell me /a/ which santuary will/should be destroyed next?
>Index stays at home
>Accelerator lives his life with no issues
>Nobody coughYuitsucouh will tray to abduct Shiage's girlfriend
>Mikoto knows nothing about magic
>Kakine jobs again
>Tsuchimikado dies
>Number Six/Aihana Etsu
>Aisa
>>133701420
>Lesbian slut
Does not compute. Yuri is pure so no lesbians can be sluts.
>>133701435
>UIHARU WHORES HERSELF FOR FLOWERS
So i get that Touma will never kill and accel could depending on the situation but what about hamazura?
>>133701441
Othinus: "Touma"
>>133701371
He also decided not to make a dog vs whale illustration which cancels out the good will from that though
>>133701441
Kamisoto buys out the special sale at the supermarket before Touma can get to them
>>133700038
>If anything, Kamisato is the new Fiamma.
Except this time, it's impossible for them to be a jobber.
>>133701458
Yuri is an abomination, go back to /tg/
kamisato realized his not that normal
Yet touma is still fix on his own garden of delusion
we need someone to break that garden of him
>>133701470
Anon, the spare body isn't Uiharu.
>>133701504
wut?
>>133701441
The sanctuary that as soon as Touma finishes his adventure of the day Index bites him, and he can go back to enjoying what little time he has before the next journey begins
>>133701486
He killed to defend himself, but he wants to become a hero like Touma so no more killing.
Although he almost killed Mugino.
Twice.
>>133701497
>implying something or another isn't always ruining Touma's ability to make use of a sale
>>133701559
Mugino doesn't count. She's a monster not a human being.
>"In this volume, he gave his theory about the connection between the special right hand and the relationships with the girls and he also finished off a certain dog."
i fucking hate you much you fuck
>HP saved Othinus
Oh fuck ;_;
>>133701660
Just another reason Misaka a shit.
>>133701594
>Implying at their next fight, Kamisoto isn't going to reveals that every time Touma failed to get the special sales, it was because he WR it from happening.
IT WAS ME, TOUMA!
you know
kamisato should meet hamazura
that should make him see new views
i really want to fucking see touma in some ideal world where he has no IB and no misfortune
i wonder what would happen
>>133701660
Wait he did?
When?
>>133701709
Probably.
Also, a meeting between him and Aogami would be funny.
Aogami would probably be horrified if he heard about a dude with a gigantic harem but is unwilling to shower his girls with love because of some self-righetous bullshit.
>>133701754
He becomes a LN writer and constantly gets referred to as a computer program.
I hope Kamisato hasn't really given up. I'm not saying I want him to win but it feels so pointless if he's just going to show up, just barely lose, and give up. I mean, the fight was off screen, even.
>>133701709
You think he'd be WR'd?
He does reject his world(dark side) while wanting a new one(living peacefully with his waifu and ITEM)
>>133700514
>Kamisato actually is a rework of Gunha's first design
I thought you guys were just joking
>>133701770
It was he the one who saved Othinus and turned him into a fairy. It was explained before Neph sacrificed herself for Patricia. Neph, before saving Patricia, said the same words the High Priest said before saving Othinus.
So are we eventually going to get a Kamijou Faction vs Kamisato Faction war in the future?
>>133701796
> because of some self-righetous bullshit.
Come on nigga, dude's a gentleman.
Some of those girls went from not knowing him to craving his dick in 2 days.
Even I would get suspicious something was going on.
>>133701840
It was pretty obvious anon.
>>133701550
Something like.
>Index, I'm back.
>Index? Index-san?
>Touma only finds the cat
>England Return Arc happens
>>133701873
Of course not. That would mean Himegami would somehow become relevant, and we can't have that.
>>133701872
Oh yeah.
>>133701660
Mikoto was a mistake.
>>133701819
Yeah i hope he's planning for another round taking IT to account this time.
PDF when?I thought LNs were supposed to be discussed on /jp/? What happened?
>>133701487
Do it, Kamachi
This volume confirms that High Priest was generally right. So can we assume he was right about Mikoto?
>>133701938
THIS
>>133702026
/jaypee/ hates translated novels.
>>133701884
I figured it was sameface or something, they're both regular joes so it wouldn't be a stretch.
>>133702080
Yeah. Mikoto confirmed for boring shit. Mikotofags btfo.
>>133701938
>yfw Kamisato has a vampire in his Harem.
Yep, Himegami would become relevant again if that does happen. There's already a ghost girl, so why not vampires?
Pretty okay volume and next one seems it'll be really good with the way things ended this volume.
Anyway see you fucks couple months later or whenever NT15 date gets announced.
>>133702141
>Mikoto is responsible for the death of the person that saved Othinus and lore vented Touma from changing into something she definitely couldn't have
Threadly reminder Mikoto a best.
>>133701873
i would cum internally if it happens
>>133702258
Is this fanart?
Legs look like sticks.
>>133702258
She killed High Preist, nope
>>133699736
WR is affecting you! Curse you Magic God!
daily reminder that othinus is brainwashing touma and that kamisato is right
I thought of a power that would be even strong than World Rejector:
A right hand that, when it touches somebody, it causes all of the metaphorical shit they spew to become literal shit.
>>133702382
Reminder that Othinus doesn't even have enough power to reform her body so that's probably bullshit.
>>133702338
Legs are a bit weird, but it's one of the nicest Mikoto pics Haimura ever draw.
>>133702404
What about a hand that rules over time.
The perfect tool for saving.
>>133702411
There are better.
>>133702338
She isn't the only one with stick legs faggot.
>>133701364
What's her left hand grabbing?
>>133702463
The bikini is super cute, the coloring is nice, her hair makes me go HNNNNNNNG, her flat chest is sexy and cute and dat perfect belly.
>>133702409
>actually believing Othinus is powerless
She is just training Touma with her smell. She is slowly making Touma unable to live with the smell of her body. With every breath he is breathing a little of Othinus inside his lungs and letting his body system absorb it. The body will start to remember the sweet smell and naturally react to it accordingly. Eventually he will become a loyal dog to her, incapable of resisting. Touma will be happier this way, so it is alright.
>>133702409
>poisoning him with words
>not brainwashing
let me guess
you think the magic gods are kind huh?
>>133700894
Carissa's motivations were also retarded.
>I kill the people with Curtana to make them dear and hate it
>then kill the royal family so nobody will try to create a new one
>and then I'll kill myself
>What? I'll leave UK in a deep crisis? Well, fuck them.
>>133702538
Hopes and dreams of /a/nons everywhere.
High Priest literally would still be alive if he was a cute girl. Why didn't all of the magic gods realize that they should make themselves look like cute girls before interacting with humans?
>>133702552
keep going
>>133702552
Anon please stop trying to turn me on
>>133702552
Hot. I can't blame Touma.
I want Touma to find out High Preist saved Othinus. And now he's dead because Mikoto is a massive cunt. Will he ever forgive her
>>133702611
Pls no. It just makes me more depressed since there won't be any doujins about it.
>>133702552
>>133702611
Dubs say continue anon.
>>133702602
He would have been alive if Mikoto hadn't run into Touma you mean. High Priest said Touma was acting unlike himself because she was there, he might have fought normally and understood him otherwise, but we couldn't have that.
>>133702552
she is probably hiding something
that bitch
dont believe her
>>133702519
Compare them throughly, the waist to the hips to the leg joints on Mikoto look weird.
Misaki isn't perfect but the problem is a case of bad perspective.
It looks like it tries to make show the view coming from below however the legs positions Serie's position contradicts that.
>>133702655
>Raildex doujins with superior girls never
Blame Kamikoto
>>133702654
To be fair to Mikotofags, it could have been anyone. He likely stopped thinking about how to understand him and more on how to stop him because he was worried about High Priest hurting people he knew, like how he told Kaisato he wanted to cut him off for doing the same to the magic gods.
>>133702687
Translations fucking when.
>>133702687
>Frigg looks like goblin
Who is the fucker who draw this?
At least Othinus doesn't looks that bad.
>mikoto
>misaki
>othinus
>defending one slut after another
Stop this shit, the bird is the word and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>133702602
Didn't work for Niang Niang
>>133702732
when the manga volume comes out and gets scanned
>>133702750
He got a death flag for daring to touch Mikoto.
>>133702720
I blame the lack of an anime more. There's ot as many but Fukiyose, Orsola and other girls have a couple doujins, we just need the anime to get to the others for people to start branching out.
See you in 2034
>>133702806
>See you in 2034
i would probably not even live that long
ah fuck
Neph would still be alive if they went with Kamisato's plan. There are likely dozens of way to solve the skinny bones girl problem in AC, they just needed time to find them.
The plan they did use could have even worked out if they actually took the time to secure Patricia better. Touma is a reckless idiot who got Neph killed because he turned things into a race against the clock when they didn't need to be.
>>133702832
That's only like 20 years, not that hard.
Can anyone please post Othinus nichijou. I can't find it.
>>133702841
Technically it was, Patricia was constantly under the risk of Shoggoth doing something to her, it's just she didn't know when it would do something and was 100% sure Levinia would do something in a few hours otherwise.
>>133702747
birdshit
>>133702806
>Mikoto finds a way
The problem is that whenever in OT was the turn for a girl to have a proper role Mikoto gets shoved in.
What's her point on Daihasesai, we could have had more Aisa, Seiri and Touma's class for example.
Vol.12? How many found good the punishment game? I was more interested on Accelerator and the clones anticts with 10032's Revolution.
And so on.
>>133702985
Oddly I've only felt her recent stints in NT are forced, it felt pretty natural in OT to have her be in the festival meet and the like, they were still in AC at least.
>>133702914
If shoggoth tried to change hosts, it would get rekt. If it killed its host, it would get rekt. It was in shoggoth's interest to do nothing.
>100% sure Levinia would do something in a few hours otherwise.
Which is why the Kamisato plan was to destroy the fruit so they would have more time.
i want more index and othinus conversations.
>>133702985
>How many found good the punishment game?
I did, and so did a lot of people, especially among the normies. Don't assume that just because you don't like something or want something different that it should be so.
In fact I really wish people on /a/ would stop interceding their wishes on what they watch, it's actually kind of pathetic.
>>133700400
When you mentioned "the sisters", my first thought was Touma tearfully begging Misaka #10032 to float him some money so that he could feed himself and Index.
>>133703119
>normies
>>>/r9k/
>>133703119
>we
>normies
Fuck off
>>133702338
Artist is just bad with legs, check Misaki's legs in the anime and you'll see how sexy they are.
>>133703167
>>133703230
>0 reading comprehension
>>133703058
I want that Othindex fusion
>>133703119
Normie
Kill yourself on your way back to /r9k/
>>133702611
>>133702614
>>133702644
>>133702663
It all began during NT9. The first time Touma had a close share of her sweet smell. During his trip to the Alpha World her smell mixed together in his mind with his hopelessness.
He was learning to enjoy the pain while enjoying the smell, with Othinus as his teacher and future mistress. He tried to fight it, contain it, but the more he fought the more she clung to him in the next worlds, forcing him to smell her. He couldn't fight it nor contain it, he was already becoming intimate with her smell and the softness of her skin.
From the Omega World:
"Othinus leaned in from behind the bench, pressed against him, brought her cheek in close, and almost lightly bit his earlobe as she whispered to him."
Here we can see It was already over for Touma. He could no longer escape Othinus's fragrance, beginning the slow-paced process of becoming dependent on her smell. Today's Touma is the product of countless hells he went through, but only one smell. The smell of a goddess.
>>133703283
where did that shit came from
that is random
>>133703299
St. Germain.
>>133703299
Same place as Gemstones being IB proof
>>133703299
Fake spoiler for Index NT12.
Those spoilers, I remember, were also responsible for the misconception that IB didn't work on Gemstone abilities. Thanks to NT14, we know now that it does.
>>133703283
so hypothetically if it does somehow happen, what would be the reaction?
>>133703299
Same place as the Kamisato and Touma fight reviving Frenda
>>133703298
>tfw hummus world was just to make him get hit by the smell that much harder in the next world
Being Touma is suffering.
>>133703356
I for one would be psyched.
I hate Index in worthless headcrab mode, but I can't get enough of those scenes where she's actually useful.
>>133703248
Why are sneakers so cute?
>>133703298
>Today's Touma is the product of countless hells he went through, but only one smell. The smell of a goddess.
Beautiful
>>133703054
Shoggoth was able to dig into the earth as it tried to escape. With that being said, since the damn thing is Dark Matter, all bets are off the moment it left her body. Although had he waited until morning and waited for Ellen's analysis, they would have found that out and might have gotten Kakine to fix this mess.
>>133701057
Maybe the old Therestina design, the short-haired blonde who was meant to work with Anti-Skill.
Will Mikoto ever have to answer foe her part is n HP's death?
>>133703465
She should give her body for Touma as a way to repay her debt.
>>133703491
What use would he have for her body
>>133703298
>Othinus' smell was a ploy to control Touma all along.
The fuck am I reading?
>>133703538
Magic Gods are a hell of a drug
>>133703528
He could use her as a battery or something.
Thinking about it, if we put all Level 5s together they would make an amazing car!
>>133701057
Did this girl ever end up getting used?
>>133703578
Raildex Racers game when?
>>133703594
Nope.
>>133703614
Accelerator is too broken, pls nerf
>>133703538
The least obvious plans are always the most dangerous ones.
Surely Othinus could've used her Magic powers if she wanted to control Touma, but why do that when there is another less obvious way to manipulate him?
Look at Touma now, he is completely under her smell's control even after she became a fairy
Aleister and Laura could learn a thing or two from Othinus.
>>133703594
She is Aihana Etsu, just lika Shinka and that dude from NT7.
Just kidding, but she reminds me of that Girl in the Red Dress because of her other outfit.
>>133703721
No I am Aihana Etsu
Who is Best and Worst Raildex
>>133703594
Isn't that Touma's niece?
>>133703800
It's his cousin. Touma would need a sibling to have a niece.
>>133703800
I don't know but I could see it.
So can someone explain what World Rejector does exactly?
Can there be another right arm ability in the future?
>>133703842
Wasn't his parents about to make one?
>>133702340
>can't kill magics gods, so she's shit
>kills magic gods, so she's shit
Cognitive dissonance is alive and well in raildex threads.
>>133703849
Anything it casts a shadow on gets erased.
>>133703842
Yeah whatever, english is like my third language.
>>133703909
Fuck off, Mikotofag. If investment for HP, Othinus would be dead and Touma would be who knows what. But Othinus not dying saved him from that. Othinus saved him from himself. And Mikoto killed the guy that helped that to happen.
>>133703796
>Who is Best and Worst Raildex
best: High Priest ties with gunha
worst: Fremea
>>133704030
>If investment for HP, Othinus would be dead and Touma would be who knows what.
>>133704086
It's probably autocorrect.I'll bet it was "if it wasn't for" at the start and something went wrong in the middle
>>133704120
>Othinus dying to a crow
>LaughingMunin.jpg
>>133704086
Pointing out an autocorrect error doesn't invalidate what I said, Mikotofag
>>133704120
Othinus using Sphinx as mount when
She's already learning to tame him with food
>>133704111
Trips confirm it but it still esn't explain what Touma knows.
Also kek at Mikotohates still being in full damagecontrol mode months after the novel. Now HP is dead because Mikoto and not because of doge and keikakuman. Stay mad thk-hivemind, stay mad.
>>133704212
>Learning to tame Sphinx
Yeah and we saw how well that's been going for her so far. Maybe in like 15 volumes.
>>133699736
Touma x Kamisato is the OTP.
Bitches should fuck off.
>>133704222
>le thk boogeyman
>Kamisato beat a dog into a bloody pulp with his bare fists
What the fuck, man
>>133704292
>Implying you're not part of the hivemind.
Also I'd be careful with invoking the boogeyman argument. I remember when we couldn't have a nomal raildex thread because of a faggot like you.
>>133704370
A collapsible baton actually
>>133704382
>this mad that this novel proves your waifu a shit and killed someone important no that doing so was wrong
>>133704370
Would you let yourself bitten to death?
>>133704389
It's one thing to have a pen on hand but what normal high school boy carries a nightstick around?
>>133704434
>completey unrelated argument.
Yes, I'm the one that's mad.
>>133704512
The kind of high school boy that goes around killing gods.
>>133704389
>>133704512
She said it was "something like a" collapsible baton, so I assumed it was the flashlight he was already established to be carrying.
>>133704585
That's plausible, that he has some kind of really durable flashlight with him to complement his power and give him a shot against guys who are unaffected by WR
>>133704526
There are no unrelated arguments at all, retarded Mikotofag
>>133704703
>retarded Mikotofag
>>133704774
Kind of repetitive, huh?
I don't think Kamisato was so wrong. Touma needs someone like him around.
I'm getting suspicious of Othinus.
>>133704837
What about being kind makes some of you people so suspicious?
I want Index 3 to air and only get to volume 19 just to blueball you faggots even more
>>>>133704837
>I'm getting suspicious of Othinus.
>I don't think Kamisato was so wrong.
Nice try Kamisato
>>133704837
You're not fooling anyone, Kamisato
>>133704922
Did we hurt your feelings anon
>>133704837
Othinus a best. I can't wait for her to regain her size just so we can 100% confirm she is best girl and wins the Toumabowl
>>133705058
But anon, Othinus is at a perfect size, she said so herself.
what if othinuswins the toumabowl in the end?
I want an Othi-chan.
>>133704837
Kamisato please. You're already starting to think Magic Gods aren't all that bad after seeing Neph's sacrifice. Stop the tsundere act.
>>133703298
Othinus' smell was the only constant in those worlds.
>>133705198
I would be proud of Kamachi for having the balls to end the series in one of the most logical ways in spite of popular but irrelevant girls with rabid fans.
>>133705198
She's the only girl who can without an asspull that's a retarded slap in the face if everything Touma's been through. If any other girl wins, it'll be for sales and no other reason
>>133705198
I would be legitimately surprised as much as I'd love to see it happening
What's with all othinusfags suddenly? Time for some christmas badowei.
>>133705285
Mikotofags a shit. Kamachi probably hates them.
>>133705343
>suddenly
>>133705198
I don't dare dream of it, because it'll never happen.
>>133704837
While I don't think Othinus is suspicious, I can't help but imagine what will happen if they reveal this was all part of her keikaku all along. Magicians have often been portrayed to not give a shit as long as it's related to their goal and since Touma is the person who understands her (her goal), seeing her manipulate things and making Touma dependent on her would be fun to watch.
>it gets revealed that Othinus always tags along with him and has those serious talks with him to make him dependent on her
>she always picks the perfect time right after he gets defeated or when he's confused
>>133705343
No shame in liking best girl and having good taste. Birdway a cute, though, even if Othi-tan a best
>>133705343
>suddenly
Newfriend pls.
>>133704922
Isn't that where most people think it should/would stop? 19 is a tight enough squeeze as it is, going any further would require a shitload of rushing unless it ran for 30+ episodes.
>>133705343
It's a crime that she didn't get that much focus this volume. Kamachi better make up for it in a future volume after getting my hopes up like that.
>>133705393
Kamisoto pls. Getting real tired of your shit.
>>133705184
>“I just don’t feel at home when I’m not on your shoulder.”
>>133705393
Thing is, as much as Kamachi's been pushing the understanding thing between them her managing to pull the wool over Touma's eyes would feel weird.
>Othinus praising thread
Yes pls there is not enough of this
I just noticed that as much as we were claiming that calling up Kakine to replace Patricia's fat with Dark Matter would be an alternative solution to using the plant fat because it's replaced body parts before it would amusingly just be straight back to square one.
>>133705432
She was just a little too sickly. She'll need to stay with her onii-chan a few volumes to get better. She'll sleep in the bathtub while she's there offcourse.
Can we please have Othinus praise thread? She really doesn't get the love she deserves because of autistic retards with shit taste. Post best girl.
>>133705512
We need animated Othinus so we can get a car sex doujinshi
>>133705851
I hope.
>>133705818
>Post best girl
>Implying we have any more pictures of her to post due to Japan lack of desire to create fanart of her
>>133705818
Your false flagging aside, here's best girl.
>>133705937
>false flagging
>>133705818
Lurk more, we've had the odd end of a thread doing just that and there's more Othinus fans than not, just learn how to ignore the retards.
>>133705997
>there's more Othinus fans than not
>Othinusfags actually believe this.
>>133706094
Reminder that /a/'s top 3 is Saiai Birdway and Othinus. But I meant more fans than haters, rather than all fans.
>>133706117
>But I meant more fans than haters
That's true for all any girl in Touma's harem though.
>>133705466
>gets her body back
>still rides on his shoulders
>holds his head snugly between her bare thighs
>>133706117
>Saiai, Birdway, and Othinus
The ultimate index harem, you simply can't have a better combination of 3 girls.
>yfw anime gets announced but staff pulls a Hayate/TWGOK to adapt Othinus.
>>133706191
>Who is Index
>Who is Mikoto
Mikoto might be close to even, but there's a lot of detractors for Index and comparatively few fans
>>133706256
Most of /a/ rightfully dislikes Mikoto
>>133706256
We like Index, just not headcrab; if you get what I mean.
>WW3 arc ended 5 years ago
>No index 3 in sight
>Meanwhile heavy dogshit is currently airing
What went wrong?
>>133706256
>>133706287
>Mikoto has more haters.
>Mikotofags actually believe this.
>>133706302
Heavy Object is tanking anyways, I wouldn't worry about it.
>>133702026Newmod started moving threads to /jp/ even though /jp/ is a shithole that hates anything translated.
>>133706361
Ugh I meant Mikotohaters. I need to go to bed now.
>>133706361
>It's all one guy!
I said it was close, there's a lot of people on both sides.
>>133706361
Why are you quoting me and calling me a Mikotofag I said they rightfully hate her? I fucking hate the bitch
>>133706405
>I said it was close, there's a lot of people on both sides.
>Mikotohaters actually believe this.
Thanks for letting do that again. You're full of shit though, Othinus gets as much hate as Mikoto. The difference is that Othinushaters generally aren't full on autists.
>>133706469
>Othinus
Did you think I was comparing hate for the girls? I was talking about fans of Mikoto vs Mikoto haters and saying they're about equal. Nothing about other girls.
>>133700125
>>133700252
Good. Time for Index III
>>133706528
More like time for >>133706237
>>133706556
As much as I'd enjoy a NT9 OVA I want to see WW3 too.
>>133706225
What about Will-tan in 10032's body?
>there will never be ecchi fanservice scenes with Touma and Othinus
>birdway will never sit on your lap, wake up with you in a bathtub, or call you onii chan
>othinus will never be on your shoulder where you can take in her heavenly scent at any time
>Saiai will never let you feel her thighs and take you to see movies
Why live? And what does mikoto even bring to the table?
>>133706361
Index is really cute whenever Kamachi isn't dragging out the biting running gag.
>>133706624
The sex would beelectrifying
>>133706521
Right and that doesn't tell us anything because the amount othinusfags vastly outnumber the amount Mikotofags, right. Keep dreaming, anon.
>>133706624
Mikoto brings nothing to the table, just like her cancerous fanbase
>>133706225
My nigga
>>133706646
Or shuving her in the shitty nun habit.
>>133706692
I have no idea what you're on about. Are you agreeing with me?
>>133706692
Keeping it novelfags-only, they obviously do.
>>133706692
What the fuck are you talking about
>>133706556
Thats even better
>>133706767
>>133706692
Get a room and just fuck already.
OTP
>>133706784
What. >>133706767 was my first reply in this discussion.
>>133706823
Yeah misquote, was aiming for the guy he was talking to. >>133706747
>>133706624
>And what does mikoto even bring to the table?
>Mikoto will never help you with your homework while you smell her heavenly headscent
>You will never gently rest your head on mikoto's lap while she strokes your head
>Mikoto will never gently tell you to lay out your troubles to big sis Mikoto.
>>133706767
What about people who like Mikoto the best, don't waifufag for her, are novelfags, but hate her ship with Touma? They'd be weird right
>>133706864
Mikoto pls go.
>>133706864
Fuck off Kuroko
>>133706864
>tfw Misaki can do all that and on multiple bodies too
>if only Touma remembers
Fucking Kamachi. That volume was like a slap on the face.
>>133706870
>They'd be weird right
Actually yeah. Those Mikotofags are the minority.
>>133706747
It's basic math, if othinus gets as much hate Mikoto then the ratio of haters vs fags correlates between both characters. I've actually forgotten what we were talking about though.
>>133706916I'm all alone ;-;
>>133706916
She's not my favorite, but I'm in that section for her character as a whole. Mikobro is actually fun to have around.
>>133706927
This was the post I was replying to in the first place >>133706191 that Othinus had more fans than haters and you said that was true for everyone, which I figured wasn't true because it seems to me that Index and possibly Mikoto has more haters than fans.
At no point was I trying to make a comparison between any of the girls or number of fans, just the ratios.
>>133706927
>if othinus gets as much hate Mikoto
This is false to begin with.
>>133706927
>I've actually forgotten what we were talking about though.
Just reading the conversation between you two and I just laughed audibly when I got to this part. It's like the perfect example of fighting over silly things on 4chan that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
>>133706877
>Mikoto pls go.
>Mikoto will never help Mikoto with Mikoto's homework while Mikoto smells Mikoto's heavenly Mikotoscent.
>>133707076
>Not changing all of the "Mikoto"s to "MISAKA"s.
You messed up. Actually on that note, are all of the clones considered "Mikoto" as well? They call all of them Misaka but never specified if they got the given name as well.
>>133706870
Most Mikoto-fans are people that watched Railgun first then started branching out into the manga and LN. A LN-only fan would have known there would be a new best girl in every new release to stay with a single character.
>all these fags brainwash by pocket fairy
wake up
Do you guys think we are any closer to a Laura/England arc?
She is probably responsible for Kamisato knowing about Magic Gods.
>>133707158
>Implying I would want to wake up from this dream
Fuck off Touma, let me sleep in WR a while longer
>>133707158
Never.
>>133707042
Oh right but if Othinus gets as much hate as Mikoto then that tells us the amount of haters for both might be the same, this in turn tells us that the ratio for Othinus might be a lot closer than you think, as per your Mikotoratio hypthesis. Unless the amount of Othinusfags vastly outnumber the amount of Mikotofags offcourse.
>>133707135
It's not about waifufagging or "best-girling". I don't get offended when other people hate Mikoto. In fact, despite her being the character I like most, I quite agree with most of Mikotohaters complaints because I don't like the ship.
>>133707158
Cut off those who insult Othinus.
>>133707301
>Unless the amount of Othinusfags vastly outnumber the amount of Mikotofags offcourse.
That is exactly what I'm proposing, on /a/ at least.
ENGLAND WHEN?
>>133707301
>Unless the amount of Othinusfags vastly outnumber the amount of Mikotofags offcourse.
They do if we're talking about novel threads.
>>133707267
>>133707270
>>133707327
Can't you see? she poisoning your minds!
wake up before its too late
>>133707315
Thats like a weird hybrid of most Mikotofags and most Mikotohaters. Grab it, we need itfor science
Kamachi you asshole. Don't just plainly admit you don't like logical ends.
You can't make your antagonists right and then suddenly just shit all over that with terrible emotional moments.
>>133707442
Go away Marche
>>133707240
With Aleister starting to lose himself in his own keikaku, I hope Laura makes her move already.
>>133707442
What's so bad about that?
>>133707463
What's wrong with that? He's basically using the Shirou argument, that it might be a smart idea to abandon yourself to taking the logical route, but it would be nicer if things would work out and you could be idealistic. that aspiring to that type of ideal isn't itself wrong.
>>133707442
>Implying that bad thing
>>133707463
I hope Kakeru isn't going to give up. I felt it was cheap too
>>133707442
I didn't know her sweet aroma was powerful enough to poison my mind. And I don't mind it one bit.
Pocket goddess a best!
>>133707536
Godly smell
>>133707536
she is clearly using her words and scent to completely brainwash and turn your brains into something evil. please wake up
>>133707463
Maybe if he wasn't such a whiny bitch I'd be more bothered about it
>>133707552
Touma needs a dog to keep Sphinx from bullying Othinus.
Or to just let her sleep in the bathtub with him.
>The sound of grinding teeth and a ridiculous comment came from the bathtub. They
relaxed the thread of tension and symbolized the absolute safety of this place.
>>133707514
As good as that is, Kamijou's opponents are generally much more correct than he is. HP was just a giant ball of correctness for the most part and Kamijou did nothing to actually disprove his points.
>>133707520
I hope Kakeru stays frosty and doesn't fall to Kamijou's bullshit.
I did like their team-up however. It was a good use of World Rejector.
>>133707158
>>133707442
>>133707583
Post better girl
Protip :You can't
>>133707514
It felt like a cheap version of the argument. And let's be honest, Touma's plan would have failed of Neoh hadn't stepped in, and Neph stepping in essentially made him a failure by his own logic
>>133707618
To be fair he regrets not listening to HP
>>133707588
Who is the whiny bitch specifically? Because my statement is more a blanket statement about the majority of antagonists Kamijo has faced.
>>133707628
Prove me wrong, buddy.
Semi-threadly reminder that Mikoto is Nuit.
>>133707662
low effort 1/10
>>133707638
>And let's be honest, Touma's plan would have failed of Neph hadn't stepped in
Except that's not true at all? The only part of the plan that "failed" was Touma not catching that the Shoggoth drilled into the ground to escape. If they had her standing up or on a bed or something the plan would have gone fine. As far as the idea of "get Shoggoth out, put plant matter in" went it was fine.
>>133707644
If I was Kamijou I would too. HP was mad right.
>>133707608
Is Kamisato gonna reject the bathtub next?
>>133707675
Threadly reminder that your delusions will never be canon.
>>133707662
>Mikotofag in charge shit talk Best girl
Nothing new here
I really do feel like this novel was a cheap version of Heaven's Feel
>>133707653
Oh, right. I meant Kamisato. Yeah, Touma does meets some antagonists who aren't wrong, but I doubt he gives a shit about that if there's someone to be saved.
>>133707608
he just need to buy that dollhouse senpai
>>133707706
Please no. If you're taking out safe areas you can even take Windowless building, but leave the bathtub alone.
>>133707682
>>133707714
>Not proving me wrong.
Here's another better girl.
>>133707706
That's Touma's last line of defense anon, you can't take that from him.
>>133707775
You're improving, but Othinus is still better. Levinia needs to fully accept her proper little sister sole to compete.
>>133707727
This novel? If anything was a parallel it was NT10
>>133707775
Leivinia is second best girl after Othinus. She needs a big arc like NT9-10 if she wants to take the top spot.
>>133707738
>but I doubt he gives a shit about that if there's someone to be saved.
Yeah and that's sorta the issue I'm having. I come here for Kamijou telling people to get fucked but then as time has moved on Kamijou has become less and less correct.
While being wrong and still telling someone to get fucked has it's own charm. It's not the same as being right and doing it.
>>133707714
But Mikoto is best girl.
>>133707699
Forget the "if they" scenarios. They didn't do that. I never said there was no way to make Touma's plan not a failure. But the point is they didn't, and the plan they actually did was a failure
>>133707822
>She needs a big arc like NT9-10
Well on that we can agree.
>>133707877
She's not even the best girl in her own manga.
>>133707826
Honestly I think Kamachi may be intentionally building that up.
>Despite all of his bragging, Kamijou had ultimately allowed a sacrifice.
We may be seeing more and more failures as Touma starts having to compromise more. It may be what finishes sending him off the deep end.
>>133707894
Put it this way, the plan wasn't a failure, the execution was. The point is that between Kamisato's idea of leaving her a chrysalis and leaving her like that or working on something else it was still a better plan, they were just as likely to get complications from that.
Hell, I think just about everyone's plan besides Kamisato's original "WR her and forget about it" would have involved taking the Shoggoth out at some point and would have thus fucked up the same way.
>>133707929
If the afterword is any indication I do not share the same faith as you do.
Kamachi just seems to enjoy everything how it is now.
Admittedly Kamisato is his attempt to change it up by breaking people's sanctuaries which is nice but I get the feeling Kamachi's Kamijou-boner is going to supersede any actual change to the series brought about by Kamisato.
>tfw no fairy on shoulder
why
>>133707929
I hope he is. I'm going to be extremely uncomfortable if the series continues to allow Touma to be wrong but still win and be praised as correct
>>133708014
What was Touma wrong about? He wasn't fully correct but he was still mostly right.
>>133708010
she mad
raildex a shit
sage
>>133708096
Like you wouldn't be if your comfy atmosphere was rejected.
>>133708000
Yeah, I see the "nothing that brings a change will happen because Kamijou-boner" and "everything he does will ultimately be justified because Kamijou-boner" implications and I feel like he's getting lazy with it
>>133708066
He had no right to tell Kakeru to be grateful for his power and the situation it landed him in. I feel like the fact Kakeru's issues being treated as a joke made it easy for people to not see that the situation could be actually traumatic
>>133708151
He really is. Kamijou actually needs to correctly lose for this to get sorted.
He needs to lose and get properly affected by the results of his loss and grow from it.
But that's not going happen now is it? Othinus in this very volume mentions that Kamijou only ever needs to continue on as he is because that is how this series works.
That as long as he doesn't do anything but hit shit and tell people they're wrong then he'll continue to win.
>>133708332
>Hit shit and tell people they're wrong
You forgot the part about understanding them.
>>133708332
I'm really hoping that maybe it's just a build up to something happening where this issue does get fixed.
>>133707775
>>133707822
This. still disappointed Birdway didnt get many focus this volume
>>133708284
I'll agree on that point. Telling him to be happy about it was a step past where he should have gone with it, but the parts about telling him that he should at least try considering that maybe it's not just "Magic Gods poisoned their minds! No one could love me!" but part of his own strength wasn't.
>>133708392
My bad, my bad. That too.
>>133708406
I personally believe that hope is misplaced. Nothing is going to change because Kamijou isn't going to change.
>>133708332
It's a difference in definitions of the word "mature".
What you guys define as "maturity" is "experiencing a loss and becoming more cynical/less optimistic from it". You guys want Touma to lose his positiviity, his optimism. You want him to use dirtier methods, to sacrifice others where "necessary", to "cut off" his enemies. This is what you people define as "maturity".
This clearly isn't what Kamachi wants to do.
You ignore the fact that Touma HAS experienced losses and he HAS failed to save people. You refuse to accept these instances because the end result isn't the one you wanted. What you wanted was for him to lose faith, lose his idealism, and become more cynical, or as you guys call it, "realistic" as a result of those losses. Instead, his idealism remains steadfast, so you claim that these losses don't count. Because they only served to strengthen his foundations rather than break them down.
>>133708392
Who does he understand besides Othinus? No one. In fact, doesn't he tell Accelerator "I dint know why you're hurting but go fix it yourself" that isn't understanding. 99% of Touma IS "hit shit and tell it it's wrong"
>>133708010
>“I just don’t feel at home when I’m not on your shoulder.”
>>133708544
Accelerator was explicitly whining about how Touma wouldn't solve all of his problems for him. Touma's argument was "Stand up and do what you want to do yourself. Don't break down and get angry at others for not fulfilling your duties for you."
>>133708544
He tries to understand people often, he doesn't have "muh perfect understanding" with anyone else but Othinus, but he often in his fights tries to get people to say why they're fighting and pick it apart to find a better way, though he hasn't always. Sometimes like with Accelerator and Agnese he's just trying to defeat them to protect someone else, but other times he's trying to tell someone that they're just going about it all wrong.
Take Vento for example, he didn't just randomly hit her for the sake of stopping her from wrecking AC but also because she wasn't doing her dead brother any favors.
>>133708618
That's still not bothering to understand anything, and that was merely one example. Or are you really going to imply Touma has attempted to understand the people he punches
Is it alright to save NT 11 for later? Based on the description it sounds like a big side story.
I'm trying to catch up to the kamisato shit, so hopefully there isn't anything critical in 11.
>>133708540
Let me just stop you there, anon.
All I want from Kamijou is that he actually accepts the parts where his opponent is correct and actively takes that into account.
Logical arguments trump emotional responses and just rolling over the logic with emotion every single time is wearing itself out.
All the losses have given Kamijou carte blanche to just ignore the people who are right in favour of just doing what he wants.
That sort of morality is sorta what Kamisato touched upon in this chapter.
That Kamijou gets to do what he wants because of Imagine Breaker and being the chosen one of the Magic Gods.
Kamijou's morality and choices in this series tend to be a "be all-end all, no room for discussion" type of thing.
Even if he listens to his opponent. Kamijou's end response never changes.
>>133708010
>her face when someone interrupts comfy shopping time with husbando
damn she frowning so bad
>>133708642
That's still "you're wrong! your brother wouldn't want this!" and a hit. Not saying Touma wasn't right or she didn't deserve it but it's not understanding
>>133708717
I can't remember there being anything all that important, maybe read the epilogue or something. That's where the important stuff usually is anyways.
>>133708693
Usually, yes. He always goes "Why are you doing this?" and "What are your intentions?". He butts heads when he doesn't agree with the methods, because the methods almost always seem to involve sacrificing someone he's trying to protect. To give in would be to let someone die, which is unacceptable to him. And every single one of his enemies has been bullheaded enough to believe that killing this person, sacrificing these people, destroying this place, etc., etc., is the only way to achieve their goals.
The key issue here is this: What kind of person would stand by and let someone kill his friends just to fulfill their own goals? Answer: Not Touma.
>>133708724
This. You've worded it much better than I could. I
>>133708768
I don't see why not, understanding doesn't imply agreeing. Coming up with a different way, even if it's as trivial as "stop living for revenge and realize your brother would want you to be happy" it's still implying a certain level of understanding.
>>133708717
You get some Touma backstory at the very least in that novel. 11,12, and 13(kind of) are pretty much stand-alone stuff not related to the Kamisato shit. Just plow through all of them if you want to catch up.
>>133708808
Understanding isn't agreeing but it's certainly not what Touma does 90% of the time
I miss GROUP. If only kamachi would come up with a new alliance of misfits. Now it's just magic this and magic that.
>>133708724
Name one single instance where the enemy wasn't trying to murder someone or ruin someone's life. Because these are pretty much the only kinds of conflicts Touma really gets involved.
pdf for nt14 when?
>>133708850
I actually can't remember many enemies that Touma didn't at least try to understand myself. God's Right Seat I guess. Most of the time Touma hears people out, it's just that he tries to tell them he doesn't like that way of doing things and ends up stopping them so that things can be done in a way with less sacrifices.
>>133708876
Name me a single moment where Kamijou isn't ruining someone's life by punching them in the face even if they are right.
Also Angel's Fall arc: Tsuchimikado to answer your question.
>dog is kill
Shit tier novel.
>>133709077
Amusingly Tsuchimikado still counts, Touma was just fighting him to stop him from ruining his own life. It's just that Tsuchimikado survived.
>>133709077
>Name me a single moment where Kamijou isn't ruining someone's life by punching them in the face even if they are right.
In these cases, I think Touma's actions are justified. When someone is trying to kill you or the people you care about, you are completely justified in punching them in the face.
>Also Angel's Fall arc: Tsuchimikado to answer your question.
He thought that Tsuchimikado was trying to kill his dad. Would you sit by and let someone kill your dad?
And let's be honest, Tsuchimikado wasn't even TRYING to show his true intentions.
>“If you can call them ‘nothing but’ evil after seeing Nephthys’s end, then you really are my enemy, Kamisato. You look evil to me. So much so that I feel an urge to cut you off.”
touma chill, your going off the path m8
>>133709105
Poor Tsuchimikado. Can't even be a shady bastard in peace.
>>133709133
Let's take the very first arc then. Kamjiou goes around and punches out Stiyl for only protecting Index.
Stiyl isn't in the wrong here. Stiyl and Kanzaki are just protecting their friend.
>And let's be honest, Tsuchimikado wasn't even TRYING to show his true intentions.
What the fuck is it with Aloha Shirts and being shady fucks? Is there something inherently suspect about people in Hawaiian shirts?
>>133709201
I don't actually remember the first arc very well, but if I remember wasn't Touma willing to stand aside once they explained the whole situation to him and it wasn't just him hearing from Index "People are after me" after Kanzaki carved her open? I can hardly blame the guy.
>>133709077
Well anon, most of his opponents are usually always wrong anyway so it's hard anyway to find a single example of them being right.
But you can't say that Touma's punches doesn't improve lives. The other protagonists Accelerator and Hamazura are pretty good examples.
>>133709201
>Let's take the very first arc then. Kamjiou goes around and punches out Stiyl for only protecting Index.
Wrong. Stiyl was actually in full villain mode at the time. Remember what Stiyl and Kanzaki's deal was at first? They were pretending to be villains and chasing Index around to A) ease Index from the pain of having her memories wiped and B) to bluff out their own pain over her memory loss by being her enemies. Stiyl never claimed to be protecting Index. In fact, Stiyl actually admitted that an accomplice of his (Kanzaki) was the reason Index was lying in a bloody pool in front of his apartment.
Touma had NO IDEA that Stiyl was actually an ally of Index. He coouldn't know because Stiyl was actively, deliberately playing the role of a villain.
>>133709077
He didn't ruin Accelerator's life by punching him. In fact, he improved it and maybe even lengthened it. I still think Touma needs a change and we likely aren't getting one
>>133709201
For the first arc all Touma knew was that:
Index said she was being hunted.
He came back to find her bleeding out.
Stiyl then comes and says hes taking her with him in a very hostile maner.
>>133709201
Well anon, if he didn't punch Stiyl and Kanzaki and let them do their thing, then Indes would still probably be getting memory wiped every year and still be under Laura's control.
I love Othinus...and I hate everybody else! Especially Biribiri!
>>133709350
How the hell did you ever make it to NT9 hating every single character
>>133709350
work on your reverse trolling son
>>133709350
>...
nice try
>>133709372
He's shit posting, anon don't take it seriously
>>133709389
I'm just giving him pointers
>>133709256
Nope. He told them to get fucked and ended up properly saving Index.
He was right but his opponents weren't exactly wrong in any way.
>>133709257
That's the issue. They only improve lives because we can see from a meta-perspective that Kamijou has plot correction deep in his fist.
At this point the world would be better off just pointing Kamijou at something and getting him to punch it.
All the world's issues would be solved.
>>133709286
I'll agree to this but I'll add that they weren't actually in the wrong. Index got fucked up because the Walking Church got negated by Touma.
>>133709297
>I still think Touma needs a change and we likely aren't getting one
Agreed.
>>133709299
All this did is set the tone for the rest of the series of Kamijou hitting shit with no nuance to what is the best outcome.
Kamijou didn't know he had God Fist.
>>133709313
She is still technically under Laura's control. The magic side has the "benevolence" to let Index stay with Kamijou.
>>133709486
That was in no way Touma's fault. The Walking Church's very owner actually told him to try. Granted, neither of them believed it would work since Index believed that Imagine Breaker was a bluff and Touma believed that it was just cloth. But if you wanna blame anyone, then Index is the main one to blame for actually putting him up to it.
Or we could blame to whole thing on Aleister, who most likely knew this would happen from the start.
>>133709486
>. He told them to get fucked and ended up properly saving Index.
Stiyl walking out of the room for 5 minutes to let him say goodbye isn't exactly the same as Touma telling Stiyl to get fucked anon. They gave him a hard deadline, he couldn't come up with anything, so they came and started making the spell while Touma just sat there and then left for a bit until Touma noticed something was off.
For all intents and purposes Touma was about to let them just erase her memory.
Touma's a fucking moron of the highest caliber for telling Kakeru he should be grateful to the magic gods. Did he not realize that was only going to make him resent the magic gods more?
>>133709529
I'm going to assume we already have "Blame Crowley" as a default that goes before everything. It's just a safe bet.
Better turn on "Blame Laura" as another default because you know she's also to blame for all this as well.
>>133709557
touma have a magic god on his side
geem why would he say that i wonder
Sherry was trying to kill Kazakiri/Index. Regardless of her reasons, this was unacceptable to Touma. It's perfectly reasonable for him to oppose her.
Agnese was trying to kill Orsola. Once again, this was unacceptable to him. No matter how Agnese justified it, Touma could not accept it because an innocent person's life was on the line.
Touma opposed Oriana because she was trying to destroy Academy City. He opposed Biagio because he was trying to do the same. He opposed Vento because holy shit she was knocking out the entire city and, again, trying to kill Kazakiri. Also, justifiable self defense because he was one of her targets as well. Same with Terra.
With Acqua, he didn't actually try to argue, because he was Acqua's only real target. Touma tended to be less wordy when his life is the only one that's on the line.
He opposed Hamazura because he was trying to kill Mikoto's mom. He never actually got into a war of ideologies with Carissa. In the case of Accelerator, he was attacked first, completely out of the blue. He only started talking once Accelerator started bitching at him about how he wasn't there to solve all of Accelerator's problems. And against Fiamma, the dude was trying to wipe out the human race.
Saronia. Touma couldn't completely shut down Saronia's argument, but he also couldn't let her kill an entire Hawaiian island either. Against Marian, Touma's main beef with her was how she was trying to unleash a world-ending sword.
>>133709553
There is a part during that period where he basically tells Stiyl to get his shit together because his Imagine Breaker can shit all over magic and that includes Index's restraints and that'll stop Index from getting messed up.
>>133709577
Why was Index in japan when she woke up after the memory erasure ritual? That was never answered at all, unless Laura had other plans in mind.
>>133709606
The very first time where an argument can be made in your favor was with Birdway and Fraulein Kreutune. From many a point of view, sacrificing Fraulein Kreutune to defeat Othinus may very well have been the correct answer. But since Touma is completely incapable of accepting the sacrifice of others, he and Birdway had two completely irreconcilable ideologies. And as for the the thing with Thor, he had no arguments because Thor had no real arguments of his own. Touma's intention was to beat Thor and drag him to a hospital due to the self-inflicted gunshot wound because Thor's a complete dumbass.
Ignoring the thing with Gremlin because they were a literal terrorist group who was wreaking havoc on a major Japanese city, and NT9 where he was trying to negotiate with a literal god, let's dive straight into NT10. Touma was aiding and protecting a known fugitive/terrorist. This was probably the most selfish action he had ever taken. Of course, from his viewpoint, Othinus was a virtually powerless girl who was on the verge of death, but the rest of the world didn't know that. By all means, it may very well have been better if he simply handed her over and let them execute her. Were his intentions selfish or noble? Probably leaning towards selfish. His intention was to save her, strip her of her power, and let her stand fair trial. But ultimately, at that time, Othinus' interests were more important to him than the world's. Mind you, from his perspective, it's not as if Othinus was any real threat at the time. She'd lost most of her power and she was dying. If we look at it from the objective, semi-omniscient viewpoint of the reader, there wasn't necessarily anything wrong with what he was doing. If anything, his actions were technically harmless. And half of his enemies were in it for entirely selfish reasons anyway. But in-universe, he was still protecting a known terrorist, so you can go both ways on the matter, really.
>>133709557
He understands one of the gods perfectly, the other was trying to stay in his house and generally do nothing harmful and the other came to exist because he wanted to save humanity and had just finished saving his fairy.
Of course Touma thinks the Magic Gods are nice, sure telling Kamisato "Be happy about it" was a bit dumb, but telling him the magic gods are ok guys wasn't wrong.
>>133709582
I get why he said it and thinks it. But he's a moron for not realizing that saying that is just going to piss off Kakeru more
>>133709486
>At this point the world would be better off just pointing Kamijou at something and getting him to punch it.
All the world's issues would be solved.
You're in luck anon, that's what the series is about.
But your argument still doesn't work. Touma still ended up solving everything for the best as it could be even if they were "right". Care to provide another example of where people were right and Touma's punch ruined lives?
>>133709629
NT13 is the biggest outlier, since, as explained multiple times in NT14, Touma never tried to understand High Priest and chose to cut him off from the start. Perhaps Touma was correct in his decision, seeing the vast difference in their powers, but he still ended up regreting his choice.
And finally, there's NT14. This harkens back to earlier, simpler times when literally the only reason Touma fought was in order to protect his friends. Kamisato's intentions were very clear: the elimination of Othinus and Nephtys. Obviously, Touma could not allow this.
>>133709626
I'd argue it was a plan by Laura but that's because I'm suspect of her and her actions 100% of the time given she's the magical side's equivalent to Crowley.
>>133709622
You mean after Index was already attacking him with Pendex? Because at that point he'd already figured out what was wrong and how to fix it so there's nothing wrong with saying he has a better way. If you mean when he's saying AC has lots of strange people that was his idealism, which he then briefly put aside when he had no options left, give him a break.
>>133709650
Does it not strike you as odd that Touma going around punching shit is always the answer to everything?
That Touma is the be-all end-all for the entire world?
He would have been better off taking the Magic God's offer and being able to correct the world because at this point, that is all Touma actually does whether he thinks he wants to or not.
>>133709710
Those are the only kinds of conflicts Touma CAN get involved in. No one's going to call Touma in to negotiate a peace treaty or resolve a proper war between nations.
>>133709641
Why are you assuming I don't get why he said it and why he feels that way? You don't have to spout it at me. He's a fucking idiot for not realizing saying that in particular would make things worse
>>133709747
I dunno, man. With how all this shit actually gets sorted. Throwing Touma at a peace treaty by having him punch everyone at the meeting hall would probably have a 100% probability of giving us world peace.
>>133709747
Except he did end a proper war and I'm sure a peace treaty or two was made because he punched someone
>>133709792
Touma knows how to pick his battles. When someone needs to be punched, his immediate response is "Yeah, all that other shit didn't suit me, but this suits my style just fine." If a situation can be resolved via punch, Touma will jump in fist-first. But if it can't, then Touma may start to wonder why he's even there at all.
>>133709710
Anon, Touma is our protagonist. Of course he's going to be the end-all answer to everything.
Sure it'd be nice for it to change, but if you've gotten this far in the series and expect for anything different, then you're surely to be disappointed.
>>133709817
WW3 wasn't a proper war. The one pulling the strings was a megalomaniac near-omnipotent arm user who was trying to destroy the planet by eating some Japanese kid's arm.
When I say proper war, I mean an actual war between nations with an actual goal that doesn't involve the motherfucking destruction of the human race as the endgoal.
>>133709892
To be fair Hamazura and Accelerator have solved a couple problems on their own too. Not as many but a few.
>>133709925
But they couldn't save m-m-muh Frenda!
>>133709925
I like touma but somehow I always enjoy index more when its about shiage and accel
>>133709849
>Touma knows how to pick his battles
He really doesn't. It's sorta the point. He decided to enter WWIII or deal with Othinus.
That is the complete opposite of picking your battles. That's jumping into the deep end head first without any proper thought.
>>133709892
>Of course he's going to be the end-all answer to everything.
Don't accept this. Protagonists don't need to be the end-all. They are allowed to be wrong.
>Sure it'd be nice for it to change, but if you've gotten this far in the series and expect for anything different, then you're surely to be disappointed.
I know deep down nothing is going to change but it's nice to ventosometimes. Get someone else's opinions and measure them against my own.
>>133709963
What would you feel if Kamisato becomes the protagonist in the next volume?
>>133709961
To be fair no one except Mugino even knew Frenda was in any danger.
>>133709964
Well no. In WW3, he was trying to punch Fiamma. With Othinus, it kinda just happened without warning.
When I say "Touma knows how to pick his battles", I mean that he knows which conflicts can be resolved via a punch in the face.
>>133709892
Not that anon but my issue is that it seems Kamachi is going way out of his way to set up interesting ways he can change and then throwing them under the bus and for what? More "Touma is right, lel"? Something we've had beaten into our heads for a long time?
>>133709998
If he kept the bitching about the magic gods to a minimum I could enjoy it. I liked Kamisato in this volume interacting with Patricia and the harem whenever he wasn't muttering "fucking magic gods and their corruption of my friends minds, they couldn't actually like me" under his breath.
>>133709998
Not that anon but that would be fucking great. I'd love to see how someone who actually hates having a harem deals with being in a a harem series.
Kamisato could not have been more right. I don't believe for a second that every single girl in all the harems in the series are there because they inherently like the people they're with.
It really smacks of Magic Gods making assumptions about people and getting it wrong for Kamisato.
>>133709925
Yeah it's true that they have done their own things. I like them a lot as well but they've been pretty much shafted in New Testament and haven't done a lot on their own recently.
Technically though, the whole reason why they were able to do those things was all because of Touma.
>>133710061
The Magic Gods had nothing to do with that. They only accidentally gave him World Rejector. They don't even know the individual names of Kamisato's harem. I mean, they didn't even know that Kamisato himself existed, so how the hell would they be able to go out of their way to manipulate all these girls to like him?
>>133710093
In a more general sense. I don't think Magic Gods go "Misaka Mikoto seems like a good match for Kamijou. Maybe some Shokuhou Misaki in there as well".
I think they did something which activated the harems because we know Kamisato only got his harem when he got WR and that's only been about a month but now he's rolling in bitches.
Kamijou brings up that the Magic Gods could have just given all those girls the little push they needed to admit their love for him but with those numbers and wide variety of people. I seriously doubt it.
>>133710148
So what about Hamazura then?
>>133710148
But anon, it was Kamisato's deeds with WR that attracted them to him. It's just like Touma said(and is pretty much the same situation as him). It's what he did with the power that got him the harem.
>>133710179
Hambura was molested by touma.
>>133710179
His harem is mild compared to the Kamijo/sato harems.
I just put that down to Protagonist status like Accel.
There is a direct correlation brought up in this new volume for the Kamisato/Kamijou arguments.
It's not really the same bag for the other two.
>>133710252
So they like him because of World Rejector. They didn't like him before it and he hasn't changed as a person outside of hating magic gods.
>>133710270
My point is that Hamazura's done maybe two or three cool things in the series and has about 5 girls and a robot after his dick. Kamisato says that he's basically out saving girls all day every day so of course the numbers themselves are different. Maybe Magic Gods are responsible for it after all, but there's definitely a precedent for the argument that Touma makes that "saving people = getting bitches" as much as Kamisato hates it
>>133710148
That's not what Touma said at all. He's saying that Kamisato should be thankful for World Rejector, because it gave him the ability to save all these girls. He's not saying that the Magic Gods manipulated or "pushed" anyone, but rather that he gave Kamisato something that allowed him to act in such a manner that, in turn, allowed those girls to be able to approach him.
It's much the same way that Touma views Imagine Breaker as more of a blessing than a curse. Even though it causes him misfortune, he was still able to save many people thanks to it.
We don't really know what Kamisato did and how he went about doing it in order to earn the affections of these girls. But it's not like Touma wins the heart of every single girl he meets. It's not as if every single girl he saves becomes head-over-heels for him and ends up stalking him forever. In fact, from Index, to Misaka, the Sisters, Himegami, to Shokuhou to Othinus, etc., etc., we actually see firsthand WHY these girls ended up falling for him one after another. And then there's also Itsuwa. We don't actually see the exact circumstances of her infatuation with him, but we do know that there are other girls in the Amakusa, and it's not as if all of them have a thing for him. That probably means that there's something about Touma that Itsuwa in particular finds appealing, something that her colleagues don't necessarily agree with.
The reason those girls fell for Kamisato's simple: He saved them. He showed them his character and they liked what he saw. You don't often get to see a person's true character in normal, every day situations. But if someone's willing to become a shield for you and help you in your hour of need, you'd logically have a better opinion of them. That's what happened with Touma.
>>133710302
You don't need to change as a person to attract people to you, you need to get yourself out there believe it or not. Kamisato says he just watched Claire from afar and had long stopped talking to Elza, no shit nothing happened with them. Then he gets WR, gets closer to them, by necessity through saving them but still does, and they get to know him better, surprise surprise this changes how they saw "That random guy who watches me water the plants sometimes" into "The guy who saved my life, who's a really nice guy and is always there for me".
Wonder who they're going to like more?
>>133710322
>but there's definitely a precedent for the argument that Touma makes that "saving people = getting bitches" as much as Kamisato hates it
You bring up a good point, anon. I may need to reconsider my point ever so slightly.
I still think however that there is some fuckery going on behind the scenes because just saving bitches alone cannot be enough.
Unless we find out that it is actually a universal law that saving bitches gets you a harem put in place by the magic gods to promote altruism but that would be way too meta for Kamachi
>>133710302
What your argument implied was that harems get activated just because he got a power. But it's not the power itself they were attracted to, it was to the person that held the power. They like him because of what he chose to do with the power. It's like Touma said, Kamisato naturally also tried to save people when he got World Rejector and it was that part of his personality that awakened to which their attraction was directed at.
Kamisato only tries to refute it because he doesn't notice that part of himself.
>>133710386
>Unless we find out that it is actually a universal law that saving bitches gets you a harem put in place by the magic gods to promote altruism
This sounds exactly like some shit the High Priest would pull honestly. But I did mean it in a way that people see you as a cooler/nicer/more selfless guy if you're out saving people than if you're not.
>>133710371
>>133710379
>>133710409
I believe I am being blown the fuck out. I think I may re-read the volume because I think I may have messed up somewhere.
>>133710437
To be fair, I did grant that it's possible Kamisato is right, there's just good reasons to believe that saving someone gives them a better impression of you and that interacting with people vs not interacting with them increases those chances more.
The sheer numbers of Kamisato's harem are suspect, but Touma has a valid point too, they're both right to different extents, I just think Touma's more right.
>>133710371
>index
>falling for touma
He is nothing more than a food source and bully material to her.
>>133710492
She straight up confessed to him anon, what more do you want.
>>133710509
You guys think Index will forever stay a nun or will she pursue a romantic relationship?
On the other hand, though, I do think there's something a little off about how Kamisato's managed to amass so many girls so quickly. How many girls are in his harem right now, anyway?
That being said, from what we've seen of Kamisato's methods, he tends to be a lot more flashy about it. It's possible that this draws more witnesses on average than Touma does. After all, it's not rare for Touma to save the day and quietly fade into the background without too many people noticing. He's sneakier and doesn't tend to make as much of a scene if he can help it. Meanwhile, Kamisato strolls in with an army of girls and drags Touma out of his apartment without the slightest bit of tact whatsoever.
Kamisato's also a little "cooler" in a sense. It doesn't seem like he gets in the same kinds of wacky shenanigans as Touma does, like getting punched, bitten, knocked on his ass and generally made a fool of by the universe, and he has a better time keeping his cool. Touma's the kind of guy who only "looks" the part of a hero in climactic situations, but Kamisato's that "always keeps his calm and has something cool to say" kind of character that might make it easier to fall for him. Outwardly, his flaws seem to be less pronounced than Touma's.
That being said, there's something definitely off about how Kamisato's harem practically worships the ground he walks on. Touma's harem is usually never afraid to speak their mind, telling him how much of an idiot he is, critiquing his methods or looking down on him. Kamisato's harem treats him like some sort of god of justice.
>>133710549
She never brought it up again since then, so I don't think she's chasing him very hard. However she is the title character so who knows.
If IB and WR was created by wishes, then it needing to be surrounded by devotion and automatically making sure that the owners are surrounded by people who are devoted to them isn't far fetched. The devotion always coming from a girl because she was saved is silly, though. To put it lightly
>>133710492
>>133710509
>>133710549
we just need a timeskip and see grownup index
>>133710597
Well they did say she'd look like Laura when she grew up.
>>133710628
This disturbed me more than it should.
>>133710567
To be fair Kamisato's harem opposes him on non important matters, they're just not offensive about it like Touma's is. Not to mention this is the three most dedicated you're using to base the rest of the harem on. Sure he's managed to summon them to fight Imagine Breaker but when you think about his achievements Touma sounds like someone you need back up for.
The numbers are the most suspect thing, but I don't think we can say all 100 of the girls in the Kamisato faction worship him to the same degree Ellen does.
One thing that the numbers could be as well is that not only is he flashy, he might not have to spend as much time on each problem like Touma does. I'd imagine WR could solve a lot of problems a lot faster than IB can.
>>133710666
Well Touma did manage to collect 10,000 girls in one go, but I don't think that counts.
>>133710690
yeah but most of those girls doesnt stick around like glue and live their own lives.
>>133710666
I dunno, man. Touma's three most dedicated followers (whom I'm assuming are Index, Mikoto and Othinus) tend to inflict pain on him rather constantly.
It's possible that at least SOME of Kamisato's followers were planted there by Laura or something. Not all of them, maybe, but some of them I think.
For once I'd like a girl to go "Hn. Maybe these feelings aren't love. Maybe I'm just really grateful. There's nothing wrong with that. After all, he did so something really big for me." and I want this girl to beMikoto
>>133710715
That's pure proximity not dedication, I'd say Misaki and Seria are a lot more dedicated than them. Though Ellen and co are just the ones who track him down the most often so I guess that would correlate to Mikoto and Index after all.
>>133710758
Pretty sure that's already Himegami
>Volume 14 cover. In a complete change from last volume, we get the “Double Right Hand Guys” which isn’t exactly the most desirable cover image for a light novel, but just like for Volume 13, I thought it had to be these two given the contents of the novel. Was I right?
Didn't he do this kind of thing before, though? With Vol19 and NT Vol5, yeah.
>>133710788
Has she ever said anything about any kind feelings
>>133710715
Amusingly both Mikoto and Othinus actually don't inflict too much pain as much as they might be trying.
>>133710788
>Himegami
Who was that again
i honestly forgot
>>133710811
Anon plsOh man I have literally no fan art of Himegami
>>133710809
Othinus hit him as Kamijou received them a like pig, kneed to the groin, and had his butt stabbed with a tooth pick.
Honestly, the only thing missing is the hair pulling and she would be Shana-Tan Incarnate.
>>133710804
Incidentally, as of Vol.14, New Testament has officially surpassed Old Testament in terms of number of volumes with Touma on the cover.
Old Testament
>Vol.2
>Vol.8
>Vol.12
>SS Vol.1
>Vol.14
>Vol.16
>Vol.20
Total: 7/24
New Testament
>Vol.2
>Vol.3
>Vol.5
>Vol.10
>Vol.11
>Vol.12
>Vol.13
>Vol.14
Total: 8/14
In fact, as of NT10, every single volume has had Touma on the cover.
>>133710915
she would be perfect for a ova
only if their was a season 3
>>133710915
I more meant as she is now. But either way it's heavily implied Touma liked that anyways so whatever.
>>133710804
>which isn’t exactly the most desirable cover image for a light novel.
I understand where he's coming from but fuck that shit, man. Double Right Hand Guys is the coolest fucking cover you could have for this volume.
Fuck the cute girls covers.
>>133710811
i still like her,
>>133710958
>As an alternative to the double guy cover, there was a suggestion to force girls onto the cover by putting in his faction, but I firmly rejected the idea. Just like with New Testament 9 & 10’s covers, it would have been in poor taste to shove in some other character.
>>133710958
He knows his audience though. He's going to be drawing cute girls most of the time because he knows that's what they're asking for, as much as novels with the guys are usually cooler.
>>133710979
But then he didn't draw Doge vs Orca and we got this
>but in a rare move for me, I insisted that “She needs to wear the down!” (as a method to bring “down” the exposure of her outfit).
>>133710979
Yeah but to understand that DRHG isn't the most desirable cover means that he understands what is going to sell and what is going to sell is cute girls.
So while I respect the fact he chose to say "Fuck that" to the CG cover. The fact there is implicit understanding of what sells in the first place rubs me the wrong way and makes the pandering feel needless.
Cute girls for the sake of cute girls should not be a thing.
If Kamisato wants to understand why Touma has a harem, all he needs to do is ask Accelerator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRnbHAUgoMc
>>133711053
Haimura's gotta pay the bills anon.
>>133711096
Damn. I can't actually argue with that. My need for art to be for art's sake contradicts the poorfag in me who understands that people need to get paid.
>579
>54
>>133711127
So long as he still makes volumes where it's obvious you need the two guys on the cover like this one like that I can roll with the others being cute girls.
>>133711172
I suppose your right. It does show some integrity that when it comes right down to it. He will put the guys on the cover even if pushed to do cute girls.
>>133711156
thanks doc, how much?
>>133711156
every thread
>>133711089
man, the anime was rushed as fuck but i cant help but missed it
>we now have to go through months of occasional misaka threads and shitposting until the next volume
well it's been a blast you 60 or so other anons
>>133707877
She's not even the best Misaka.
>>133711442
>Have to
Says you, I'll see you guys in two to three months when the spoilers or cover is out.
>>133711492
it might come sooner since Zashiki Warashi is ending
>>133711546
Still, the point is that 80% of the threads that are around between the end of a volume and the hints on the next volume start coming in aren't worth it.
>>133711546
>Zashiki Warashi is ending
wait what
It's possible that the state of Kamijou and Kamisato's respective harems may, in fact, reflect their own characters as well.
Touma has a tendency to do things on his own. We know this. More often than not, he'll sneak away and tackle some grand issue without informing anyone else. He always acts to reduce the burden on others by carrying the bulk of it himself. As a result, he ends up attracting many like-minded individuals. In the first volume, Index leaves Touma in order to keep him from getting caught up in her dangers. Mikoto tried to resolve the Level 6 Shift on her own. Kanzaki is well known for her tendency to try to carry all burdens by herself. Birdway, who is extremely self-sufficient and independent. Shokuhou, with her trust issues. And Othinus, whose defining trait was her loneliness and solitude.
Compare and contrast with Kamisato. We don't know much about him since he's only appeared in one volume, but he seems to have no problem asking his harem for assistance. He utilizes their knowledge, skills and numbers for the sake of furthering his own goals. In many ways, he's quite dependent on them. And in turn, the girls are dependent on him.
It's ironic. Kamisato resents his harem, but makes free use of it. Touma, while unaware that he has a harem, does acknowledge many of them as his friends, yet he only asks them for assistance when he absolutely has to. I'm sure that if Touma asked, any and all of them would immediately come to his aid without a second thought. If he truly desired it, he could be surrounded by ten thousand girls who would be willing to go to the very ends of the globe for his sake.
>>133711662
I think another clue might exist in their contrasting ideologies. Touma is someone who's more concerned with protecting smiles than simply protecting lives. He's not satisfied with merely saving someone's life, but rather, he also wants to safeguard the world they live in. As a result, they'd often be less inclined to follow him, as they have their own lives to live. The only ones that end up sticking with Touma are the ones who have nothing else in their lives. Both Index and Othinus would be truly alone without Touma. Touma also rarely truly destroys his enemies outright.
Kamisato, on the other hand, was willing to greatly cripple the Birdways' happiness in order to save at least their lives. This is just a guess, but what if Kamisato wasn't able to achieve a perfect happy ending for most of those girls? What if the girls had their lives saved, but lost their own worlds to return to? And we already know that Kamisato's far more willing to eliminate his enemies. What do you suppose that would do to someone watching from the side? For instance, what if a girl had her home destroyed by a villain, and Kamisato, in turn, destroyed that villain? More than simply having her life saved, Kamisato would have fulfilled a desire for vengeance. For destroying what the girl thought to be an absolute evil, Kamisato would be viewed as an absolute good. He destroyed the evil that hurt her, so she would view him as a hero that can do no wrong. And she would condone his future actions as a true hero can never do wrong.
>>133711662
We went over this once before actually and I think only the sisters and a few others would be willing to just drop everything because Touma asked them to. Without invoking the whole "Well if he's actually asking for help for once it must be serious" thing.
>>133706864
>>Mikoto will never help you with your homework while you smell her heavenly headscent
>wanting to smell sulfur and shit
>>133711753
Index might not remember them but she actually has lots of people who would love to support her unlike Othinus
>>133711804
That's it. As far as she knows, she has nothing other than Touma. A past she can't remember may as well not exist to her.
