How the fuck do you pronounce this?
Planet ease?
Planet us?
>>133691956
Planeets
>>133691956
Planetes you stupid american.
planet ee
>>133691956
PURANETESU
Plan-uh-tez (seriously)
Greekfag here. It is plan-e (e like the the letter) -tes (like tesla). So planites basically
πλανήτες
>>133691956
plan eats
>>133691956
"The Kekolded strikes back"
>>133691956
Planetes. It is pronounced Planetes.
I want to read this but all the scans are shit. Is it worth buying?
It's just French for planets. the e is silent.
moot show
>OP doesn't know GreekIt's planetays
>>133691956
>Cute girl is in love with you
>MUH JUPITER
>MUH SPACE SHIP
Fucking faggot
>>133694403
Space is a man's romance.
>>133694403
She was a literal asshole please don't. If she wants to stick around so badly, she's good to have his child while he lives the dream in space.
>>133694627
I wouldn't call her an asshole. She was however very annoying. Which was sort of the point in the show. She was less annoying in the manga.
DROPPED
>>133692366
That's a pretty bad indicator of how to pronounce it though
Just look at this shit
Планэтэс
Pla (as in plastic)
Neet (as in NEET)
Es (as in especially)
>anniemay
planayyytis
>>133694871
She made me so mad during that part
>>133694871
I wouldn't drop it. Keep going it gets better. Although I will concede that Tanabe remains annoying for most of it.
>>133694403
>>133694627
>>133694784
>being in a relationship
>still reasoning as if there was only you
>missing the whole point of the story
Hurr.
>>133695007
>>133692555
>>133692317
>>133692026
That's modern greek, idiots.
It's planetes, as you read it.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1JrulanY6RD
>>133695502
You are pronunciation sucks, stop playing smart.
>>133694403
PTSD does that.
>>133695502
Pay the debts
>>133695541
My pronounciation is perfect, stop deluding yourself.
>>133695558
Not greek.
planet ass
>>133695363
One of the major themes of the show was even as that humanity has advanced into space, all of our various personal conflicts and problems have followed. Tanabe is young, naive and doesn't realize just how shitty the world can be. Because of this she is annoying. She is a kid who thinks she knows the answers, but doesn't know jack shit. Much of the show is showing that her optimistic view of the world doesn't match up with reality.
>>133695502
No it's pla (pluh) ne (nay) tes (desu)
PLANETES you dumb fuck
>>133695715
Certainly not in Greek, being it modern or ancient, idiot. Nor in English.
Are you drunk?
>>133695631
Keep telling you are self that.
>>133695807
it is japanese
プラネテス
PURANETESU
PULANETESU
PLANETES
fucking burgers
>>133695943
It's supposed to be プラニテス, ａｃｔｕａｌｌｙ．
>>133695912
You're definitely retarded.
>>133695888
Pardon?
>>133696218
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%83%8D%E3%83%86%E3%82%B9
>>133696218
>>133696436
>newfags
>>133696602
Yeah, planetes, as in >>133695502, your point?
>>133696487
>>133696560
>>133696602
Yes. That's exactly what I said. The katakana is wrong.
>>133696667
>>133696668
>ネ
Can you read? It's NE not NI
>>133696709
Yes. That's exactly what I said. The katakana is wrong.
>>133696709
Exactly what I said, idiot. In ancient greek is planetes, in modern one is planites.
Are you mentally challenged?
>>133696778
No, it's not, see >>133696602
Are you dumb?
>>133696802
...yes, that's exactly what I said. The katakana written there is wrong.
>>133696786
It's Planetes. Are you dumb?
>>133696778
No one uses the modern greek spelling. Why would you, unless you spoke modern greek?
>>133696802
That proves nothing, per se, there are two spellings of the same vowel, the eta.
>>133691956
Retard, it's Manatee.
>>133696856
>>133696823
>PuraNEtesu
>>133696856
Modern and ancient are the same, m8. They're different letters.
>>133696869
>>133696901
Yes. That's exactly what I said. The katakana is wrong.
The katakana written there is wrong.
The katakana written there is not correct.
>>133696869
>>133696901
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
>>133696823
It doesn't matter if it's incorrect ancient greek, the name of the manga is what the author made it.
>>133696933
It's the official name, I don't give a crap if it's correct or not. "Attack on Titan" is Attack on Titan even though it isn't correct. How fucking stupid are you?
>>133696984
>>133696987
It's still incorrect, you monumental horsecocks. It's not an alternate version or anything, it's just a misspelling.
>>133691956
>he can't read kana
An hour or two per day for a few days is all you need.
>>133697035
That doesn't matter, if the author says it's Puranetesu then it's Puranetesu and not Puranitesu
>>133697088
The author misspelled it. Humans err.
>>133696933
>Modern and ancient are the same, m8. They're different letters.
ή in ancient greek is pronounced differently as it is pronounced in modern greek.
>>133696984
Haha, yeah, no.
>>133696987
But it's not incorrect, it's correct.
pla.nɛ᷄ː.tɛːs
>>133697139
No, that's ancient greek.
>>133697048
English pronunciation:
"Pla" in "Plan"
"Ne" as in the "na" in "nape"
"Tes" as in the name "Tess"
Actual Ancient Greek Pronunciation:
IPA: /plá.nɛː.tes/
>>133697167
>>133697189
They're entirely different letters and sounds. Ancient already had two ways to say the 'e' sound, it didn't need to steal a third one from another sound.
>>133697196
Ni, not ne.
>>133697196
no it's
Pla as in "luggage"
Ne as in "never"
>>133697196
I did not mean to reply to that comment btw. Should have been standalone
>>133697287
Only in Modern Greek, not Ancient Greek. Do you want to see beta be written with a v too?
>>133691956
Planet es.
>>133697338
>Do you want to see (insert correct version here, as if it's something outlandish)
Of course I do, I told you not to play smart. The words are different, but the letters themselves aren't.
>>133697321
Ni, not ne. See >>133697287.
>>133697321
The pronunciation you are giving is emulating the actual Ancient Greek pronunciation. The one I have is the pronunciation you would say if you don't know the Greek pronunciation (i.e. the English pronunciation that is not erudite, the pure English pronunciation without educated/foreign influence)
This thread is almost as good as the show
>>133697452
Confused, conflicting or just you still trying to figure out how to pronounce the title the entire time?
>>133697409
No one cares about modern greek. So no one is going to pronounce that way. No one will call Georgios as Yeoryios
>>133697515
Except what I just told you is that it's the same, the ancients would still pronounce it Yeoryios. You seem to be filtering just about everything through English misunderstandings.
>>133697409
No, it's Ne not Ni.
>>133697559
The letter Η/η is pronounced い, not え.
This is the only correct pronounciation.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1GNDHX1eiwZ
>>133697287
>They're entirely different sounds
No, only in modern greek.
>>133697594
Yeah, in modern greek, not in ancient greek, glad we can agree.
>>133697620
>>133697664
see >>133697409
The words are different, but the letters themselves aren't.
and >>133697287
Ancient already had two ways to say the 'e' sound, it didn't need to steal a third one from another sound.
Don't be thick.
>>133697594
And ネ is pronounced NI right? Fuck off.
>>133697858
see
>>133696218
>>133696668
>>133696778
and stop being thick.
>>133696823
>>133696933
>>133691956
Not this again.
>>133697881
see
>>133696984
>>133696987
Stop being thick.
>>133696668
>the manga wrote its own title wrong
No.
>>133697709
Nigga I've studied ancient greek, never hear of two ways for pronouncing eta and epsilon, it's the same shit.
Try citing something.
>>133697921
>>133697962
see
>>133697035
>>133697139
and stop parroting people who point out your mistakes.
The title is literally just an ancient Greek word, and the author misspelled it. There's no room for interpretation.
>>133696867
>only one person mentioned Manatee
we're too old for this shit
>>133697452
Pretty bad?
>>133697970
Well, so have I.
>Ancient already had two ways to say the 'e' sound, it didn't need to steal a third one from another sound.
You just tried to convince me that β should be pronounced b instead of v, and γ is g instead of y, do you think you can still be taken seriously?
>>133697992
Look, if I call my book "Sempa, please notice me," because I'm retarded, and you insist that the title is pronounced "senpai" because that's what the word is, you're not right.
>>133698049
Never said any of that.
>>133698016
How old is this meme, exactly?
>>133698052
If you write a book on brain surgery and name it "How to operate on btains", you obviously made a mistake somewhere. It's not debatable.
>>133698110
Cool story, vro.
>>133697992
Even the author says it's Planetes you dumb fuck. Stop being thick.
>>133698190
see >>133698180
and stop parroting me, it makes you look even sillier.
>>133698180
I made a mistake, but that doesn't mean it's not the title of the book. Unless I rescind it on the second printing or something, the title is btains.
>>133698180
If there's no trust then you can fuck off.
>>133698255
And it's still wrong, so if someone points it out you can't say "b-but muh artistic interpretation".
>>133698274
ｉｔ ｉｓ ｔｏ ｌａｕｇｈ
>>133698325
> And it's still wrong
Yes, it's the wrong word, but it's still the title. OP isn't asking how to pronounce it because he's going to go talk to Plato and wants to talk about wandering, he's asking how to pronounce it because he wants to know how to pronounce the anime's title.
>>133698368
So if someone asks you how to pronounce NGE, you'll say "Ebangerion"?
No.
>>133698239
>>133698180
>>133698049
>>133697992
>>133697709
>Eta (uppercase Η, lowercase η; Greek: Ήτα Hēta) is the seventh letter of the Greek alphabet. Originally denoting a consonant /h/, its sound value in the classical Attic dialect of Ancient Greek was a long vowel [ɛː], raised to [i] in medieval Greek, a process known as iotacism.
>its sound value in the classical Attic dialect of Ancient Greek was a long vowel [ɛː], raised to [i] in medieval Greek, a process known as iotacism
>its sound value in the classical Attic dialect of Ancient Greek was a long vowel [ɛː]
>[ɛː]
Hurr Durr.
>>133698421
No, because I'm romanizing the Japanese. Your issue is that the Japanese is not the correct Japanese transliteration of the original Greek, which is completely different. If Evangelion had mistakenly used soft "g" in its transliteration, I'd go with that in English, too.
>>133698428
Native English speakers tend to make a shitload of mistakes, m8. Then they go with it because there's too many of them for the meme to be stopped. The fact stands that
>Ancient already had two ways to say the 'e' sound, it didn't need to steal a third one from another sound.
Ancient and modern are the same.
>>133698485
Well, you're (mistakenly) romanizing the (mistaken) Japanese in this case too.
>>133697553
>the ancients would still pronounce it Yeoryios
Okay. You're a moron. Literally no one with any intelligence on the matter believes this. To explain it to a moron like you, there is a reason every language that borrowed georgios used g rather than y, b for barbaros rather than v, etc.
>>133698575
> (mistakenly) romanizing
At no point here have I even cited my romanization, just pointed to the actual katakana, so you have no way of knowing that.
>(mistaken) Japanese
Yes, as I said, that's a moot point that doesn't affect the fact that that mistaken Japanese is the title.
Puranetes
>>133698586
That reason being Latin and later English. Stop playing smart with things you're insufficiently educated about.
Why else would they make fun of "varvarians" for using the B sound too much?
>>133698677
Mistakes are mistakes, m8. A mistake due to the Greek-English-Japanese conversion changes is no less of a mistake, and can't be treated as anything else. Humans err, and the author is one, unless I'm wrong.
>>133698575
Wrong.
>In 403 BC, Athens took over the Ionian spelling system and with it the vocalic use of H (even though it still also had the /h/ sound itself at that time). This later became the standard orthography in all of Greece.
>During the time of post-classical Koiné Greek, the /ɛː/ sound represented by eta was raised and merged with several other formerly distinct vowels, a phenomenon called itacism after the new pronunciation of the letter name as ita instead of eta.
>Itacism is continued into Modern Greek, where the letter name is pronounced [ˈita] and represents the sound /i/ (a close front unrounded vowel). It shares this function with several other letters (ι, υ) and digraphs (ει, οι), which are all pronounced alike. This phenomenon at large is called iotacism.
>Eta was also borrowed with the sound value of [i] into the Cyrillic script, where it gave rise to the Cyrillic letter И.
Where the fuck do you get your facts? Give me a source.
Classic greek eta is "e" and e alone.
>>133698749
Again, the author making a mistake doesn't mean that's not the title. I'l leave the thread now, though, since we're just going in circles.
>>133692223
>>133692366
The "u" doesn't pronunciate, so it keeps in pranetes.
>>133698817
t h i s
>b-but i'm greek so it's planitis ;_;
>>133698807
>Ancient already had two ways to say the 'e' sound, it didn't need to steal a third one from another sound.
Your English misinterpretations are too widespread to stop, but that doesn't make them correct. You even call it "eta" because English confuses e and i, so you get confused too. It's supposed to be ita (イタ).
>>133698817
Btains.
>>133698749
>That reason being Latin and later English.
There were multiple languages in antiquity that had both g and y and that borrowed words from Greek directly and they always borrowed gamma as /g/ in every position (pre-Arabic, Persian, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc), beta as /b/ (even the languages that has both b and v, such as Persian), "ai" as "ai" (not e), eu as "eu" (not ef or ev), etc etc.
>Stop playing smart with things you're insufficiently educated about.
Find me one non-Greek source academic source that agrees with you. More importantly, show me that the academic consensus favors your bullshit.
>Why else would they make fun of "varvarians" for using the B sound too much?
It wasn't about the sound of beta, it was about the syllable "bar" and its repitition.
>>133698934
That's irrelevant, but the fact that you'd dismiss someone being a native speaker as insufficient shows exactly how valuable your opinion is.
>>133699039
Then explain to me why there was a completely separate digraph (γκ) for the G sound. Were there two ways to say G and none to say Y? Or are you just being an idiot?
Also, it was both.
>>133698960
I'm not English, I'm Italian.
You don't know what you're talking about, you've been proven wrong again and again and never provided a sourfce to your claims once.
ETA IS "E". STOP.
>>133699136
I forgot to mention another digraph, γγ. So you're saying there were three ways to say G and none to say Y. Sounds legit.
>>133699171
>b-but I said ur wrong, stop being right ;_;
>>133699136
>completely separate digraph (γκ) for the G sound
Wrong. In Ancient Greek, γκ was not a digraph. It was "ng + g" (IPA ŋɡ ). Neither was "nt" a "d", nor "mp" a "p"; they were nt and mp respectively.
You are pretty much acting like the ancient Greeks were retards when they made the alphabet initially. Only as time went on, culminating with modern Greek, did the letter-sound correspondence become rather fucked up.
>>133699315
Give me a text that proves your bullshit or fuck off now, this has been dragged for too long.
>>133699315
In Ancient Greek, γγ was "ng + g". Again, not a digraph.
As further proof, when Ancient Greek borrowed words from other languages that did have a y, Ancient Greek did not use gamma, it used iota. Why? Because Ancient Greek did not have a y sound, so they used the vowel iota to approximate it.
>>133699537
No, I'm acting like you're a retard, because you're saying what I described in >>133699315, and that's pretty retarded.
Also, why would γκ be needed as two separate letters, when they weren't used at all in that sequence? G, on the other hand, was used.
>>133696602
>MANATEE
>>133699633
>>133699631
And when English borrows words from Greek, it replaces all the Vs with Bs. Does that mean English doesn't have a V sound?
Yep, you're retarded.
Fucking hell anons, look what you did to Tanabe. Are you proud of yourselves?
>>133699136
>n-n-n-n-no greek this greek that
Nobody gives a crap about your muslim shit. The author says it's プラネテス. PLANETES. PlaNEtes. NE, not NI. Just accept that you can't prove your theory. If you can't understand something so simple I have no more time to waste on you.
>>133699784
Yes, and the author made a mistake. Keep raging.
>>133699640
> why would γκ be needed as two separate letters, when they weren't used at all in that sequence
But they were. Again, as proof, if you look at languages that directly borrowed from Ancient Greek words with that letter sequence, they didn't just write "g", they wrote nk, or ngk, or gk (depending on the language) in every position.
>>133699679
>And when English borrows words from Greek, it replaces all the Vs with Bs. Does that mean English doesn't have a V sound?
Modern English does not borrow any words from Modern Greek, only Ancient Greek.
Second, false argument. Talk all you want about English, what about he language that coexisted with Ancient Greek? They just happened to all make the exact same errors?
Planet
Es as in ESsay or eyyy ese
>>133699809
You can't prove your theories at all as always. Can we just stop here or are you just going to keep embarassing yourself?
>>133699826
Different alphabets, m8. The letters are the same between ancient and modern.
>>133699893
It borrows from both. Unless you're telling me contemporary terms are coined by magically talking to ancients, who are contacted via portals underneath the Acropolis.
Or maybe you're just thick.
>>133699679
And again, explain to me why Ancient Greek never used gamma in loanwords that originally had a y. Why did Ancient Greek borrow words with b using beta and not "mp"? Explain these
>>133699809
Never once I've pronounced Eta as "i" in 6 years of ancient greek and neither did my 4 greek professors.
You're wrong, deal with it.
>>133699978
>b-but I said ur wrong, stop being right ;_;
>>133700001
You can tell how it sounded from rhyming poetry of the period and later accounts in latin.
>>133700001
>Unless you're telling me contemporary terms are coined by magically talking to ancients
Ever heard of an Ancient Greek dictionary?
Give me one Greek word people know that is pronounced using modern Greek pronunciation.
>>133700046
Nigga people that have studied fucking philology of ancient greek texts taught me to say "e", who the fuck are you? You never provided a source, not even once.
Ayy lmao
>>133700001
>Different alphabets
A) you are aware words were often acquire by traders verbally communicating, right?
B) So if my alphabet was g and y sounds, I am magically incapable of writing down what the Greek word sounds like in my alphabet because it is different glyphs from yours? Are you retarded?
>>133693449
Plants?
>>133700250
Not true
>>133700027
Simple. To Greek-ify it. Just like 'stomahi' got turned into 'stomach', to English-ify it. That doesn't mean English doesn't have the 'hi' sound.
>>133700043
Your professors were not native speakers of either Ancient or Modern. English has made plenty of mistakes that managed to spread far too wide.
Just because your professors said it doesn't mean it's law, m80.
>>133700102
You heard the ancients speaking live? Amazing.
>latin
k.
>>133700114
I don't think there are many around.
And what does that have to do with anything? Most of them become known via English, which changes too much.
>>133700145
I've studied both, too.
>>133700234
A) Foreign words get corrupted when spoken between natives of another language. Ever thought of that?
B) If it has both, you're supposed to use the correct one.
Look at all these posts. How asspained are you?
>>133700275
Can you simply tell us HOW you know the ancient greeks pronounced the eta "i"?
What's your source?
>>133700387
>>133700275
Because, you see, that's what you get taught in every single school around the world, from LA to Moscow, from Rome to Beijing.
>>133700275
No, faggot, there are rules to poetry and from those rules you can infer what words sounded like. And there are written works in latin by people who have literally heard what it sounds like and left an objective account. You don't need to hear the ancients when you can use your brain.
Just how full of himself can one college freshman be, Jesus.
>>133700387
If I even need to explain myself to someone who can't tell between G and Y, or B and V, then
>>133697287
>>133697409
The letters haven't changed.
>>133700462
In every English-influenced school there is? Sure.
>>133700476
Latin people who wrote in Latin, for Latin people. What a story, Marcus.
>college freshman
You assume too much.
>>133700275
https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%AC_%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82_%CE%BA%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82_%CE%91%CF%81%CF%87%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82_%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE%CF%82_%CE%B3%CE%BB%CF%8E%CF%83%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%82#.CE.91.CE.BD.CE.B1.CE.BB.CF.85.CF.84.CE.B9.CE.BA.CE.BF.CE.AF_.CF.80.CE.AF.CE.BD.CE.B1.CE.BA.CE.B5.CF.82_.CF.80.CF.81.CE.BF.CF.86.CE.BF.CF.81.CE.AC.CF.82_.CF.84.CF.89.CE.BD_.CE.B1.CF.81.CF.87.CE.B1.CE.AF.CF.89.CE.BD_.CE.B5.CE.BB.CE.BB.CE.B7.CE.BD.CE.B9.CE.BA.CF.8E.CE.BD_.CF.86.CF.89.CE.BD.CE.B7.CE.BC.CE.AC.CF.84.CF.89.CE.BD
read it and weep faggot
Okay so what's the final verdict? What's the correct way to pronounce "Planetes"?
>>133700637
Planeetsu
>>133700529
Are you expecting me to read something that takes Erasmic pronunciation into account and not laugh?
>>133700637
It's >>133695007.
>>133700637
PuraNEtes
NE as in NEver
>>133695258
The anime made her extra annoying.
>>133700637
Pluh-net
The last syllable is silent.
>>133700275
>That doesn't mean English doesn't have the 'hi' sound.
Are you retarded? Modern Greek χ in στόμαχος is [x], not [h]. English literally doesn't have that sound. Regardless if it is the modern greek or ancient greek, english "k" is the most common approximation of that sound (Arabic "Khalid" has the same sound as modern greek and is also pronounced as k in English)
>English has made plenty of mistakes that managed to spread far too wide.
People disagreed with you way before English became influenctial
>I don't think there are many around.
You're a literal retard or troll right here.
>Most of them become known via English
And where did English get these?
>I've studied both, too.
Maybe in a Greek classroom. Italians also teach latin using italian pronunciation rules. You can't trust that.
>Foreign words get corrupted when spoken between natives of another language. Ever thought of that?
Listen to the retardation you are spouting. You are making the claim that EVERY SINGLE TIME languages borrowed from ancient greek, EVERY SINGLE LANGUAGE made the same exact mistake. Systematically. You are also claiming that EVERY SINGLE TIME ancient greek borrowed words from another language, they also made the same mistake EVERY SINGLE TIME systematically.
Specifcally, you are claiming that EVERY SINGLE TIME they heard another language use y, the ancient greeks EVERY SINGLE TIME made a mistake and used iota instead of gamma.
You're beyond retarded.
>If it has both, you're supposed to use the correct one.
And they usually did.
>>133700849
We aren't french anon. And certainly the mangaka did not have french in mind.
>>133701068
>certainly the mangaka did not have french in mind
No, he definitely did, he just made a mistake and wrote it with the wrong alphabet.
Easy mistake for someone not from the West to make.
>>133701129
But not only did he use an "(n)es(u)" syllable in the Japanese, he deliberately wrote it in Greek.
Not to mention the title does not refer to planets, it refers to (space) wanderers, and only Greek has that meaning.
>>133701207
No its definitely French. I studied French for years, trust me.
>>133701002
-His, hermit, hormone, I can think of plenty of words with that sound, which is far closer to the correct version than 'ch'. So that takes care of that.
-People judged things by their own limited experiences, as you're doing now.
-"ur wrong lol" isn't an argument.
-Foreign words get corrupted when spoken between natives of another language. Ever thought of that?
-Again, you make too many assumptions.
-Yes, to Greek-ify it. Just like 'stomahi' got turned into 'stomach', to English-ify it. That sort of thing has conventions. It's not a hard concept to run through your atrophied brain, m8.
-You sure aren't using the correct one now.
>>133701207
A character on the show even references the old Greek meaning.
>>133701478
>Foreign words get corrupted when spoken between natives of another language. Ever thought of that?
Repeating something makes it true guy? Can't respond to that guy's arguments?
This is truly an awful thread, good work /a/.
>>133702194
That's the answer, guy. The fact that it triggers you doesn't make it less true.
>>133702247
But like that guy said, you are acting like the same corruption was made all the time (as in, like, a Persian guys "y" is always borrowed into Greek "i" rather than "g"). How you you support that idea?
>>133702376
Because
>That sort of thing has conventions.
All this hullabaloo, when people are ignoring the obvious answer: The Japs misspelled 'Planet' and are too embarrassed/indifferent to change it.
I feel like this is some epic new meme that I missed the inception of.
>>133702531
It's just a dedicated crank, and people feeding him.
>>133694871
That was an empty threat and it baffles me how many people miss that. She couldn't fling it back into the atmosphere, at worst it would float off and they'd make her pick it back up herself.
>>133695363
In all fairness, there were a lot of points it made. That was just one of them.
Why can't we have shows like Planetes anymore?
>>133702484
Not exactly, they confused planet （プラネット） and planetes (プラニテス） resulting in プラネテス.
CHING CHONG DID NOTHING WRONGI think this is the right webm.
>>133702458
What do you mean by that? There were no widespread conventions that everyone had in antiquity. And if you think someone how Latin made everyone borrow things wrong, languages borrowed from Greek earlier than latin + it still does not explain why different greek areas did not use gamma for foreign y.
>Everybody wants to argue about the name
>Nobody wants to argue about the show
Kek
>>133702484
>The Japs misspelled 'Planet'
What do you mean?
>>133702843
>tfw you think you're the protagonist and it turns out that you're a side character
>yfw
>>133703684
>>133699670
The only correct person in this thread
>>133700804
She gets better after shecontemplates taking Claire's air as they both slowly suffocate to death.
Just make it past episode 6 and you're golden OP.
After that, read the manga.
>>133702843
>I love how strong-headed, pure hearted and dedicated this girl is
>I know, I'll try and get her to kek her boyfriend who is also my best friend with me!
He wasn't too bright, was he?
>>133704746
I never found Tanabe particularly annoying, honestly.
As for anime Tanabe being more annoying than manga Tanabe, she's barely a character in the manga. We get backstory, some feelings about heradoptiveparents and a scene or two showing her morals and that's about it for characterization. Oh, and then she goes full autism in the 4th volume, which came out after the series aired.
>>133703684
Don't remind me.
>>133691956
プラネテス
>/a/ - linguisticsJanuary soon
>>133704835
I don't recall her going full autism in the 4th Volume. Although that's likely because she's not really there for most of it due to all of the chapters focusing on Fee.
>>133706223
She met a dude that she was immediately convinced was actually an alien, remember?
>>133706414
You're right. I'd forgotten all about the Baron.
>>133706908
Lucky you. The last 20 or so pages of volume 4 are fantastic but for the most part it feels like filler, which is a problem considering how goddamn long it is.
>>133706216
I wonder if we're going to have another Planetes stream. The last one was great because of how many were seeing it for the first time.
>>133695363
Nice you had nothing to say to back yourself up. I can do it too.
Durrr. Anyway, go back to /v/, okay?
>>133709976
He has a point, though. Half the reason for the conflict of the second half was that Hachi was thinking purely in terms of 'me' rather than 'us'. He even states as much at one point. If he'd just slowed the fuck down and had a proper conversation with Tanabe about things, it would've gone a lot better for both of them.
>>133703135
The manga was better.
>>133700521
Most Latins were perfectly bilingual.
Is this one big, long ruse?
>>133701002
>Italians also teach latin using italian pronunciation rules
This is wrong, shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about.
>>133709976
Thanks for making my morning faggot, I've laughed heartily reading your stupid post, now I can start the day with more enthusiasm.
>>133710193
I disagree.
>>133710472
Oh look finally a planetes thread!
It's literally arguing about how to pronounce it.
wtf /a/.
>>133691956
plah neh tehs
fuck english pronunciation. How you faggots figured that "e" should soun like "i" while "i"should sound like "ayyyyyyy" is beyond me.
>>133711058
Pretty much my reaction.
>>133711058
>wtf
This has happened before. Multiple times. Because people have discussed the series to death. This thread has more discussion about the series than you're going to get otherwise. You'd just get a dead thread most of the time.
And it's still better than circlejerking over nothing like all those generalfags. In fact it's a million times better, because I can be glad that my memory of actual discussion is actually good.
>>133710205
>perfectly bilingual
Don't be stupid bud
Plenty today are perfectly bilingual in English but they don't speak with RP or whatever accent you want to prioritise.
I'm not reading the cluster fuck above but nobody seems to give any reasoning behind why they've used that particular pronunciation, so let's all just accept it's debatable and put the whole thing down to piss poor classical language teaching.
>>133711291
>Planetes generals
Don't even make me contemplate the horror.
>>133711058
It's better than no Planetes thread. Try bringing up a topic, anon.
>>133711058
Still the most intelligent thread on /a/.
>>133703122
They had an entirely different way to spell the G sound.
>it still does not explain why different greek areas did not use gamma for foreign y.
That's exactly what it explains, genius, they used the same conventions for every word they imported. Just like English does.
>>133710268
Not him, but it's true.
>>133711593
First you're wrong, I've provided plenty of proof already.
Second I din't think you know what you're talking about, Latins had greek slaves that usually were teachers and they spoke greek since they were born, they were bilingual, they didn't simply speak two languages.
>>133714520
First of all, convention Los did not exist. Did you think uneducated foreigners who were illiterate could know of or would follow convention even if it existed? You are saying its convention, but conventions start someway. How can you believe that everyone who borrowed from each other all messed the first time? Give me another language that everyone borrows incorrectly from.
By the way, if you were right, that means ancient Greeks went full retard with the alphabet, having multiple letters for the same sound. The only languages that do that are ones after having made their alphabet developed sound changes, but here you were saying the Greeks were retards
>>133714607
It's not, some might do, not everyone. Stop generalizing.
itt murrikans trying to speak another language.
This fucking thread I swear
Peel - nate - ease
>>133714900
Sure, not all of them. But enough do that I think it can be cited as an example. I'm sure some Greek teachers of Ancient Greek use ancient rather than modern pronunciation of Ancient Greek too, but many don't
>do you copy
i bet you fags don't
One of the NASA guys they interviewed on the DVD extras pronounces it right.
Get that vid, and you have your canon answer.
>>133691956
>es = ease/us
how the fuck?
this >>133692101
play-neeties
>>133715038
AI COPII DESU
Tragically, I have misplaced THAT picture. You know the one.
Prounounced just like the word "planets" in English, anon. Really not difficult.
>>133715075
>>133714978
you're a fucking moron
it's this >>133695943
>>133715039
I've never seen that DVD bonus, what do the NASA guys have to say? Almost sounds like a peer review, considering that JAXA consulted on the show during production.
>>133714974
Gosh anon that's not nice, everyone have their own difficulties in life.
>>133715213
>He couldn't even keep it topical
>>133715277
Sorry, it'sstill on my backlog.
>>133714978
In case, people can't see it. This is the real pronunciation.
Ignore the bait
>>133715307
Go watch it already, it was moot's official favorite anime and pretty much the best thing ever. Also, you're in a thread for it.
Quite honestly, what are you doing in this thread?
>>133715016
Just stop, I'm Italian and I've studied both latin and greek, they teach the correct pronounciation.
>>133715326
Just wanted to make fun of burgers. I'm getting to it anon, don't worry.
>>133715355
Improve your reading comprehension. Nothing of what you said contradicts me, and previously you acknowledged that some in fact do as I said.
And you can look it up by the way that this happens.
>>133715307
Only excuse is if you're underage.
>>133715355
>Just stop
>>133711593
I'm >>133714860
This is my proof >>133698807 >>133698428
>>133715627
Never been there.
I have insight on the matter, he's just someone who generalizes.
>>133715548
That's not what I meant, what I meant is that, as for every context, there are people who do things in the wrong way. The same is true for every country, if anything the teaching of ancient Greek and Latin in Italy is SUPERIOR to almost all the other countries.
>>133714865
Convention among Greeks borrowing foreign words did exist, dumbass. Also, I repeat,
>They had an entirely different way to spell the G sound.
And yes, they did have multiple letters for the same sound, albeit with small differences. Omicron and omega? Eta (ita), iota and ypsilon? Ever heard of those?
Why are you trying to argue about something when you lack fundamental knowledge? Is it ebin?
>>133714978
>>133715075
see >>133695007
>>133716519
The Eta is pronounced tha same way as the Epsilon in ancient greek, it's not "ita", that pronounciation is wrong.
How long must this shit continue?
>>133716674
>>133716674
>Eta is pronounced tha same way as the Epsilon in ancient greek
No, actually they were two different e-type sounds, both distinct from iota
>>133691956
you pronounce it planetes
I always pronounced it like something between "pla-nehts" and "pla-neyts" because it looked like french but apparently that was super wrong. Good anime regardless.
>>133694935
That's correct you idiot.
I always pronounce it as
Planet-tess
you stupid fucks
pla : planet
ne : oni-chan
tes: test
end of story everything different than this is wrong
/thread
protip its written in my language.
>>133718855
>oni-chan
No, it's PlaNEtes as in Onee-chan. Are you dumb?
>>133718855
Greek? Planetes is greek. It's pronounced Pla-ni-tess.
>>133718945
YES YOU RETARD THE "NI" PART OF THE ONI-CHAN.
ITS PRETTY SELF-EXPLAINATORY.
IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO CLARIFY THIS THEN YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM.
You could've emailed the mangaka, OP. That's what i did.
Holy shit. Did I dive in the past? What the fuck is wrong with you people?Why did no one post THOSE images?
>>133691956
Pla-MAY-RO
>>133719334
That's a good question. We're missing all the obligatory ones.
>>133716674
Are you serious? Next you'll tell me that omicron and omega were two entirely different sounds.
I hope you're not expecting me to take you seriously after you demonstrated your ignorance on such fundamental matters.
Talk about Planetes you faggots.
>>133720171
That ship set sail long ago.
>>133719919
>omicron and omega were two entirely different sounds.
They were two distinct o-type sounds
>>133714860
>Latins had greek slaves that usually were teachers and they spoke greek since they were born, they were bilingual, they didn't simply speak two languages.
Which dialects of Greek did they speak? For example Diogenes was born and grew up in Ionian Sinope and then spent his middle adult life in Attic Athens. The old guard Spartans spoke Doric Greek, Alexander spoke Macedonian that was similar to Greek but the Attics disowned for a long time, and Homeric greek was yet another literary dialect. I'll give you that there's rudimentary discussion of dialect but it's copy pasted or maybe at best paraphrased from a book or rote or something. Poor teaching, poor learning.
But anyway, to say we can know a sound from how it rhymes with so many different dialects and pronunciations is nonsense. Even if we can agree on for example Attic greek as being the dialect par excellence, how Greeks spoke in oration was different to how they spoke in the agora. You can read it in Plato's Apology, you can see it in ancient Greek works of poetics or rhetoric or grammar. The language of oration is different to day to day greek. Even if we assume that the Latins were incredible at transcribing the phonetics of the Greek they heard (probably not great) we don't know what kind of Greek or w/e was being used and at best we get a hodge podge.
On the other hand, Ancient Egyptian remained similar enough to Church Coptic that Church Coptic could be used to translate hieroglyphs somewhat. This might seem insane but it goes to show the power of oral language staying somewhat consistent, so the other guy saying "I speak Greek now" is not necessarily that bad an argument. It's not great but then neither is the "my classics profs said so". At best we can say it's really such an academic point that it's pointless to argue about it.
>>133719919
It's just a long epsilon, fuck off.
