I've always wondered how Japan came to produce the greatest animation, comics, etc; compared to every other country. Especially for such a small place, which has only been relatively modern since the last 100 or so years. Is there some kind of sociopolitical aspect that I'm unaware of? Please enlighten me /a/.
>>112267778
posting this question here because I don't want to start a thread, but
Isn't it plausible that Kira could have had a google alert for video streams and blog posts that mentioned "Kira/Heartattack News"?
disney and comics companies, killed the creativity in the west
>>112268163
>disney
I'm pretty sure they're the ones who popularized animation after the silent film era.
>comics companies
Be more specific?
Comics are bigger in Japan because they spend a lot of their time on trains. It is just a lot more convenient to have hobbies that can be done on the train there. Anime is pretty much dogshit.
>>112267778
I don't think drawn Japanese media is superior, it just fits my tastes more.
>>112267951
What the fuck are you going on about? How would that have been of value to him?
America nuked their domestic comics industry by trying to make them all family friendly at some point in the 20th century. There was a vibrant comics scene pre-ban, then they censored everything and it died. That's basically it.
>>112268361
>What the fuck are you going on about? How would that have been of value to him?
would have explained how he killed Lind Taylor without actually being in Japan.
>>112267778
>I've always wondered how Japan came to produce the greatest animation, comics, etc; compared to every other country.
It doesn't, it just produces more of it.
The 11's are more superficial so the idea of representing people with drawings seems more acceptable to them. The superficiality is the flipside of the focus on aesthetics.
>>112267778
>implying 98% of manga can even hold a candle to stuff like The Sandman
>>112268307
>Anime is pretty much dogshit
This. They just let go of the attention span of an intelligent human being a little earlier than the rest of us idiots.
>Large population
>style is distinct, despite variety
>foreign audiences differentiate anime from other animation industries
>has a Disney-tier figurehead in Miyazaki, other countries like France do not
>most of what other countries have to offer simply flies under the radar, at least internationally
>>112267778
>Japan is first world suffering
>Japan create escape from first world suffering
>They call it Anime and Manga
And that's how moe was born.
Because our comics don't pander to sexually frustrated virgins.
>>112267778
>small place
>population of 130 million
>>112267778
I have a sneaking suspicion that all japanese people are at least slightly autistic
the good kind of autism that doesn't actually detract from your intelligence at all (in some cases even improving it) but makes it so they often form unusual dedication to, or can find meaning and happiness in, arbitrary things
Maybe (Barring some shit like GTO) Japs have the ball to end their comic. American comic has numerous reboot, spinoff, new writer/artis, to the point that some shit like batman/superman is still being produced nowadays. They have really overstayed their welcome. Of course there are some manga that are like this too, but the propotion is way smaller. Many anon hates it when their favorite manga are cancelled by jump/others but this keep shit relatively fresh.
IIRC in Japan the mangaka have some copyright on their work. In the state, DC/Marvel and other comic book companies held full or most right, thats why they can keep rebooting and assigning new writers/artist.
The same shit could possibly happens to Japan when they sign the TPP. Thanks Obama.
>>112268449
L was gambling on him not using such refined methods yet, and that's that.
>>112267778
>Japan came to produce the greatest animation, comics, etc; compared to every other country.
How much of a fucking weaboo can you be?
>>112269001
>really shitty grammar, shitty spelling, shitty memes.
You're typing like a retard, please stop posting.
>>112268163
You mean the jews.
>>112267778
>greatest
It's still shit, it just happens that more of it panders to adults (or manchildren at the very least) than in the rest of the world. Plus they don't drag shit on and on to milk the cash cow dry like the rest of the world does, hence us still clamoring for Haruhi S3 rather than S27 where they're all in their thirties or something by that point and meeting up in the two hours of free time they get per week out of the soul-draining Japanese work schedule.
>>112269132
Feel free to name some great works from outside of America.
>>112267778
But the greatest ones are made in Europe, both comics and animated movies
>>112269599
Anything by Alan Moore.
>>112267778
Because their movie industry is shit and they don't have the budget or the workforce to produce big live action movies with decent CG, explosions, special effects and the like. So they stuck with anime and it grew.
As for manga, this anon pretty much answered it.>>112268307
It doesn't help that Japan's a very pressuring, constricted, expensive and depressing place to live either.
>>112267778
>Japan
>greatest animation
If by greatest you mean cheapest, and laziest, sure.
>>112269441
>Plus they don't drag shit on and on to milk the cash cow dry
Depends entirely on the popularity of a series.
Have you ever read Detective Conan?
>>112269822
>Have you ever read Detective Conan?
I'm still reading Naruto and Bleach even though they're shit because I have to finish everything. I feel sorry for the people that started Detective Conan and have the same habit.
>>112269599
All of Möbius' work, just for starters.
>>112269599
see >>112269731
Neil Gaiman. Hergé. Asterix.
>>112268163
You know disney inspired a lot of japanese animators, right?
>>112267778
I guess it's a combination of the isolation of being an island nation and the radiation.
I mean look at the British, those fucks are weird as fuck.
>>112268163
I believe he's talking about bullshit copyright laws ushered in by those companies, and the way they destroy competition in the animation/comic industry and monopolize everything
I also blame cable networks for doing similarly retarded and greedy shit
basically art was ruined by jews
no wonder hitler wanted to steal all that art from them
>>112269001
Blame the retards who didn't get the message Alan Moore was trying to get across and missing the point completely.
Read up on Seduction of the Innocent and the Comics Code. Anything interesting in American comics died with EC. They moved away from it eventually, but the damage had been done.I've heard there are good Franco-Belgian comics, but I can't read frogspeak and nothing but Asterix and the Smurfs gets translated.
japanese manga, visual novels and light novels are made by the common idiot, and by dozens of them.
meanwhile in the west the entertainment industry is so professional and capitalistic that it pretty much went to shit, because they can't try new stuff in fear of failing and losing shitloads of money
japan entertainment industry is literally communism
>>112269806
Shit societies produce the best art, and so much of great art is a reaction against the problems of the time.
So long as the government doesn't go full censorship, anyway.
>>112268398
Yep. For anyone interested, read the book titled "The Ten Cent Plague". It goes over everything and explains why silver screen movies were shit too.
>>112270568
Being trapped on an island and knowing that everyone not on the island hates you will drive you insane.
That's why both Britain and Japan are full of quirky shit that nobody understands. And they both share habits like driving on the left hand side of the road, so that you could attack the person coming the opposite way with your strong hand, should you need to.
Well for one thing creators can have their shows air to the end unlike murrica. As others have said the setting really helps with interest. We don't have many trains in murrica while in japan it's far more common so they have some time to casually read manga. Mobile games and social media are a more popular way of spending time here, although mobile games are also popular in japan for similar reasons. Also I'd say it's up to companies too. Here we mostly have the big 2 and indie, while in japan there's tons of magazines publishing many manga weekly and monthly. And while there may be many who wish to be animators currently you're limited to the web or a few major channels, and let's just say those channels prefer the highest ratings over varied and quality content.
>>112271184
So the main problem is that in the west the industry is centralized in few people who have had success driving it for a long time and through many things don't allow new blood that deviates from their own vision to push the industry forward meanwhile in Japan the competition is not as harsh and has been more accepting of new and different ideas which keep it fresh?
I think another important fact is that Japan pretty much doesn't give a fuck besides censorship on the content of manga and its fans but in the west comic fans have always been stigmatized and censorship is in the air, making it harder to invest in or pursue a career in said industry.
>>112271427
Are you trolling or just retarded?
>>112267778
They are superior. West is shit.
There sonny, suddenly all things make sense now don't they? Don't thakn me.
>>112271427
>And they both share habits like driving on the left hand side of the road, so that you could attack the person coming the opposite way with your strong hand, should you need to.
>>112268477
You got that backwards though. Superficiality comes in the form of showing disgusting meatbags as "true" representations for the purity that is fiction, thinking everything third-dimensional (as in: actual actors or people) can give it credit.
>>112268772
What is not being autistic? A socialite? A normalfag? Please enlighten me.
>>112271930
umm considering that I described what I meant by autistic in the post it should be pretty obvious
The amerifatshit is strong in this thread.
>>112267778
>Especially for such a small place
After the United States Japan actually has the largest population of all developed countries by far. That's also why they're still economy #3 in the world even though they pretty much stagnated for two decades.
>>112272097
Its population is projected to shrink by 1/5 or more in 30 or 40 years which is pretty shocking no matter how you look at it.
Strong culture of fiction and the post-war boom.
>>112267778
>greatest animation, comics
Calvin & Hobbes alone beats 99.9% of Japanese fiction.
The west got lazy and now all Cartoons are cheap 3D animation that looks like ass unless it is a pixar film.
Sure is weeb in this thread
>>112272464
It's funny because Dreamworks and sometime Blue Sky has technically better CG
>>112269441
>. Plus they don't drag shit on and on to milk the cash cow dry
Tell that to shit like Doraemon, Sazae-san, Shin chan and Hokuto no Ken
>>112272553
True but but the last movies from them I enjoyed was Shrek and Ice age which were milked to oblivion
blame christian.
>>112272553
>>112272776
>Judging a book by its cover
>>112272816
Nigga are you really gonna try and argue that Dreamworks isn't utter shit?
>>112272857
No because Pixar is equally shallow
>>112272816
They're all shit except for Ants andSHREK
>>112272464
I hate cg
so much
>>112272961
>>112267778
For me it just comes down to a matter of demographics and animation.
Animation in the west seems to be targeted at actual children instead of fat autistic losers, so it's easier for us to like anime since we're all fat autistic losers.
Also 3D sucks dick, and for whatever reason everything from the western hemispheres uses it so everything looks like garbage.
>>112272961
>M-muh childhood
>>112273071
>Animation in the west seems to be targeted at actual children instead of fat autistic losers,
It's the same in Japan, the mainstream society still recognizes anime as shit for social rejects and losers.
>>112272439
Aren't your nostalgia goggles a bit tight there old buddy?
>>112267778
Their continued isolationism created a very different breed of content compared to the one consumed in most of the western world while also being of a refinement only a industry on a very developed country could achieve, people from overseas are attracted to that difference of something they see as strange or alien and can't normally experiment on their habitual culture.
Saying Japan makes the best cartoons and manga is not being a weeaboo. It is just telling the truth. There are plenty of Chinese people that really dislike Japan but that agree with that.
Every country has areas where they are strong at.
Germans are good at making cars, beer, etc
French are good with wine.
Americans are the best in economics.
Swedes are good in being politically correct.
And so on.
The west had very, very tight censorship guidelines for their comic books for a very long time.
I;m talking shit like you weren't allowed to show police offers being subject to violence. You weren't allowed to depict crime of any fashion (even the bad guys), the good guys HAD to be representatives of the state and embody certain social moral standards, etc.
The manga industry has been able to grow in its own creatively diverse direction because it;s been subject to different standards of censorship than in the west, where draconian moral guidelines basically stagnated the industry for 50 years.
>>112274595
Capeshit can die in a fire, sure, but Franco-belgian comics are far better on average than manga. Japan is the "best" at them only because they produce fuuuuckloads of it.
>>112274724
>Franco-belgian comics
Overrated. If anything, Britbros are the underrated.
>>112274724
And isn't that OP's question? Why them?
Work culture
Then again anime has a lot of weak points since its more oriented towards the industry than art, but in terms in production they are superb.
>>112267778
Comics have been gimped for years by the DC/Marvel twin monopoly thing, its all about sales, full stop, they only publish what they think will sell.
>>112274648
>I;m talking shit like you weren't allowed to show police offers being subject to violence
So that's why cops and military forces are constantly being shat on in works now.
>>112267778
It panders to people their who want to escape from their daily lives while most of the latter wants to make big bucks so they were eventually got stuck doing things over and over again until the cow runs out of milk
>>112274879
I'm not disagreeing with OP, they are the best, but they're the best in the same as China is the "best" manufacturing country.
>>112274987
And the actual good stuff that takes chances are cancelled due to low sales. I don't want ANGR to die
Japan is Quantity over Quality
Sure they have lots of ideas rolled out but they can't end a series well at a gunpoint.
>>112274988
Basically yeah. EVen when the laws were still onmipresent there was a growing counterculture that went to the polar extreme. That's where you get spawnshit and edgy for the sake of edgy hypergore violence garbage (pretty much exactly the shit Tokyo Ghoul is trying to be an homage to). A lot of modern stuff just mindlessly parrots that tradition of 'lets have graphic scenes of things getting fucked up just for the hell of it' without really understanding why it was a thing in the first place, because to most modern comic writers the medium is just an outlet for the juvenile fantasies they never outgrew
It's also why even now, some 70 years later, timetraveling alternate history scifi nazis are still the most fucking overused villains in anything. You don't have to show them doing bad things to sell that they're evil because they're nazis; we already know that they're the bad guys. It's a cheap and easy way to avoid needing to show your villains being villanous or actually characterize them, and was popularized back in a time when you couldn't publish something if the bad guys acted like bad guys.
>>112275161
Lets not forget the fact the things that do sale have run out of ways for things to stay new, so now its just which character dies in some horrific way, only to be resurrected in a year or two, in a special edition mini-series. Or how about those awful crossovers with all the crossover spin-offs you have to buy and read to get the entire story. Or the fact that the shared universe means canon is absolutely garbage, even after they reset the universe to try and fix it.
>>112275248
>Japan is Quantity over Quality
HS graduate only detected.
>>112267778
Because they were making manga in the form of ukiyo-e since the 1600s.
>>112267778
>how did Japan come to produce the best juvenile entertainment?
I guess juvenile culture?
>>112275320
>pretty much exactly the shit Tokyo Ghoul is trying to be an homage to
Yeah no. The CCP in Tokyo Ghoul are treated as fairly as the ghouls are.
>>112275248
>Sure they have lots of ideas rolled out but they can't end a series well at a gunpoint.
I'm pretty sure they are better at ending their cartoons/comics than Western people. Mostly because they end them, sometimes.
Because Nippon is the promised land.
>>112275470
Yeah this is the truth. I try to think of examples of western endings and most of the shows I was watching a dozen years ago are either still ongoing, or just cancelled abruptly and disappeared without an actual 'ending'.
When they actually do try to end shit, we get endings like Lost or Battlestar Galactic, which are arguably bones-tier clusterfucks.
>>112275395
>implying juvenile
>>112274595
>implying gay islam is politically correct
>>112275544
Breaking Bad, True Detective and Band of Brothers all had nice endings for example.
>>112275591
Comics and animation? Is there a better term that's escaping me?
>>112275544
Or Babylon 5 where they accidently end most the main plotlines a season before, thinking it was going to be the last.
>>112275544
There was also Dinosaurs, that had a Gonzo ending.
(and by Gonzo ending, I don't mean "nice Gonzo" that did Strike Witches. I mean traditional Gonzo).
>>112275682
That's why the last season was shit? Sasuga American televsion.
>>112275362
Sequential art goes back to cave paintings dude
>>112267778
Comics and cartoons never got stuck in the ghetto of "kids only"
>>112275664
"funtertainment"
>>112275771
Yeah and the read they switched the Sinclair Captain was because the actor had mental illness.
>>112275838
reason*
>>112267778
>I've always wondered how Japan came to censor the greatest hentai animation, hentai comics, etc; compared to every other country. Especially for such a small place, which has only been relatively modern since the last 100 or so years. Is there some kind of sociopolitical aspect that I'm unaware of? Please enlighten me /a/.
>>112275938
Obscenity laws at the turn of the 20th century. Murka left them alone during the much later occupation as well.
>>112275544
They always go for that wish fulfilment shit too.
Or it never ends and has no continuity like Family Guy/Simpsons/south park and all that other shit
>>112275646
>Breaking Bad
5 seasons was way too much. It started going downhill from the second season and just kept getting worse. By the end it only relied on shitty cliffhangers and cringeworthy 'epic' (I guess that was the intent) lines.
>True Detective
Ongoing.
>>112276012
The original laws were something the imperialists cooked up because they were trying to forcefully modernize japan and stamp out the whole bushido shogunate culture, they were part of much wider cultural reforms and art censorship laws.
America actually expanded on them post-WW2, partially out of revulsion and culture shock (a country that's used to moral censorship being the norm encountering one that has tentacles in their porno) and partially out of a very deliberate attempt to westernize and modernize the country. They figured if they imposed harsher moral standards on media, those standard would trickle down to the public at large and make them more 'civilized'. It's also part of why japan's school reforms were so draconian and soulcrushing; they were pushed by america to adopt a more 'british' education system and the result was a much wider spread repression of sexuality and individualism.
When you actually go through the istory it;s not terrible surprising the japanese baby boomer generation is overrun with spineless limp-dick bureaucrats and unrepentant perverts. Nor is it surprising the youth counterculture is so off-the-rails weird and anti-productive.
>>112275682
It wasn't an accident. WB waited till the last minute to make the decision which forced them to modify the plot they way they did because they didn't know whether they were going to be canceled or not until it was too late to change things.
>>112276137
>5 seasons was way too much.
Seasons 4 and 5 were the best.
>Ongoing.
But season 2 is going to be a completely different story. You can call it "over".
>>112276335
>Nor is it surprising the youth counterculture is so off-the-rails weird and anti-productive.
The harsher the conformity pressure in society, the weirder and more aggressive the counter culture is.
>>112276538
>the weirder and more aggressive the counter culture is.
is that also the case in north korea?
japan produces the best comics and animation because its the only place where theres an adult and employed market for comics and animation.
>>112276565
Obviously in totalitarian states that doesn't hold, since counter cultures can't exist.
>>112276565
North Korea is special. There is no counter culture.
>>112276607
that place is so isolated, for all we know it could have a full blown rebellion and the world would not be aware of it.
>>112272439
I___agreewith you, but this is bait and you know it.
>>112276538
>The harsher the conformity pressure in society, the weirder and more aggressive the counter culture is.
What about America?
>>112276538
Not necessarily.
Counterculture tends to be fueled more by generational gaps.
The boomers were brought up with the strict and oppressive post-war conservative japanese system. As time has gone on, that system has become much lore lax; but, of course the parents bring their childhood into the home when they deal with their own kids. So the youth generations grow up under this family pressure to conform to the old ways, and as soon as they step out the house, they're free of that pressure and do as they please.
That dichotomy is what fuels the counterculture. It's rebelling against their parents and against the 'old' way of doing things as much as anything.
>>112276565
This is a somewhat different situation, because everyone, regardless of generation, grows up under the same oppressive conditions. It isn't parents parroting the oppression they faced and trying to project an imitation of it onto their kids, it's both parents and children being oppressed by both their government, and by the scarcity of essential subsistence resources.
>>112276839
What about it?
>>112267778
Because less censorship and not wanting to appeal to a wider audience. Also, no stupid complaints about submissive women, or no blacks or other shit like that.
because japanese has long history in cultures and traditions and excellent language which enables them express very subtle feeling only by letters
>>112275470
>I'm pretty sure they are better at ending their cartoons/comics than Western people.
LE gainax ending
>>112267778
Japan used to be one of top countries in the east which made them created best entertainment and they have loose censor.
>>112275325
Basically this. Theer was a big thread over a /co/ awhile about why Anime/Manga is more popular than Comics and this >>112275325
was one of the main points w cae upt ith at the end.
>>112276922
America is not pro-conformity. It has very aggressive counter cultures.
>>112267778
Escapism because their lives are horrible.
>>112277256
*we came up with
It's not hard, all they had to do is write about things that aren't cape shit.
>>112277263
>America is not pro-conformity.
Huh? Are we thinking of the same America here? America is about as conformist as it gets.
>>112267778
>small
Twice the population of UK, Germany or France
88% the population of Russia
Same land mass as Germany
>>112277507
> America is about as conformist as it gets.
Maybe in the Bible Belt LOL
>>112277263
America is an amalgam of a great deal of disparate cultures and ideologies from all over the world. You have cultural enclaves that populate entire towns and cities in nooks and crannies all over the country that are almost entirely 2nd, 3rd and so on generation immigrants from various european cultures.
Just because most americans are white doesn't mean that they're all the same flavour of white. There's large conformity pressure all over the place, and the fact that it isn't institutionalized is part of what fosters the growth of countercultures. Countercultures then attract people with a weak sense of cultural identity (such as 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants) to it. Just because you were raised in a middle class white suburb doesn't mean your best friend wasn't raised in some Serbian-run hovel in the boonies where they whipped their kids for having naughty thoughts. There's 3rd-world countries hidden all over america and your cities are such melting pots because most people escape to them as soon as they're old enough to leave the home.
Plus shit like the civil rights movement carry on a tradition today that attracts youth into counterculture movements. You may forget that, while america isn't pro-conformity as a whole, it was pro-oppression and pro-segregation until rather recently in its history.
>>112267778
ITT - Nips, gooks, chinks and yanks (both weeaboo and 'murica!) being racist and nationalistic.
I like anime but
Simpsons, King of the Hill, Regular Show, Adventure Time, The Boondocks, and Rick and Morty>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anime
>>112277632
There is also one objectively correct answer mixed in with the rhetoric. Can you find it?
>>112277263
>not pro-conformity
>makes its children stand up every day and, as one, declare their loyalty to the government
>>112277682
Heh, what a joke.
>>112277758
KOTH is better written than any anime
>>112277682
kill yourself
>>112277682
lol, just lol.
>>112277774
LOGH is much, much better than KOTH.
>>112277682
Good point. Except none of those shows have an actual plot.
>>112267778
It's because they went against the realism, or better say, the way the god, our creator, designed us visually.
Yes, they have Vagabond, jojo and others but they are not obligated to follow that way of design.
Seriously, /co/ gives you only two option:
Draw realistically if you want to make some respectfull person or deform it to make fun of it.
Japan inovated it making then deformed AND respectful and beautiful.
Also the subconscious mind when you make an unrealistic visual character is different:
While USA is "Pointing a finger and laughting", Japan is "Awwwww".
>>112277816
Why are you comparing a dramatic military space opera with a slice of life comedy set in Texas?
>>112277682
I'll never understand why KoTH is rated so highly.
>>112277845
Neither does anime
>>112277884
>with a slice of life comedy
Because that's all of the things you just listed.
>>112277885
Because you have no sense of humor.
>>112277891
Yeah, right. Go back to /co/, faggot.
>>112277891
You are just trying to be snarky/witty like a teenager with that reply, but I stated an actual truth.
Anime and Manga in general are pretty much Japanese Disney.
>>112277935
Make me.
I enjoy both Western and Jap animation.
>>112277948
Are we talking about the same Disney.
>>112277934
If that were true I would like Family Guy.
>>112277696
I think so, sir.OP is a stupid faggot
>>112267778
>Greatest.
>>112277885
It's a clever deadpan comedy with likable characters. It's brutally honest about the culture it's parodying, but is never downright distasteful with its satire. It manages to stay true to itself core engagement across a long-running span and its episodic plots remain creative and entertaining without ever being excessively dramatic or inane.
It's basically just a really solid SoL comedy that does what it does well without ever doing something stupid to fuck it up.
>>112277988
50's/60's Disney
>>112278029
Family Guy's early seasons were legit though.
>>112278123
The humour has always been awful and only gotten worse with time.
>>112267778
Samuwy stronk! Nipon stronk country! Japanese = giant penis!
It has little to do with Japan actually and more to do with the American comic industry getting raped by the Comics Code and a bunch of McCarthy wannabes.
>>112272776
I love Pixar, I think the entire studio is solid creative gold, except forCars and Planes, and their respective sequels. I really get the impression from Pixar that they love their work, they love animation and that their creativity is fostered, at least somewhat.
Dreamworks on the other hand, feels to me like they have a big overbearing executive peering at their creative efforts and saying, "no, no. This is too imaginative. It needs to APPEAL."
As for solely Japanese media, some of it's good, some of it's bad, just like anywhere else. Although I will admit there seems to be some years where there's a dry spell of new material, for example the influx of teenage high school dramas and moeshit a few years ago. It varies, just like with Pixar and Dreamworks in the west.
>>112278311
Planes is Disney
>>112278345
Ah shit yeah you're right, they did it with Disney's in-house team. My bad. It's a spin-off of Cars though.
>>112277701
>make
its an illusion of force, you don't actually have to.
>>112278311
>Dreamworks on the other hand, feels to me like they have a big overbearing executive peering at their creative efforts and saying, "no, no. This is too imaginative. It needs to APPEAL."
Yeah, somebody hasn't seen Kung Fu Panda 2, and Dragons 2. Better than anything Pixar has done since TS 3
>>112278568
I've never heard of a school allowing someone to simply not participate in the pledge of allegiance. If you abstain you'll get sent of to a guidance counselor or the principle, and if the problem doesn't solve itself you'll eventually be suspended and have your parents involved in your lack of patriotism.
Schools take that institutional shit very seriously.
>>112278568
Children believe what they're told and do what they're told. It's an evolved trait. The ones that said "fuck you, I'ma touching the snake" didn't reproduce.
Why d'you think people believe in ridiculous shit like Christianity or Mormonism?
>>112279042
You're full of shit. There was a supreme court case about this very issue, and the supreme court sided with the student. The only people who try to enforce anything are uninformed teachers, and even then, when the student refuses there's nothing they can do to them.
>>112279093
>The ones that said "fuck you, I'ma touching the snake" didn't reproduce.
That's because we call those people homosexual.
>>112279132
>The only people who try to enforce anything are uninformed teachers
Yeah, we sure don't have any of those walking around in our schools.
>>112278725
Dragons 2 was an exercise in ticking the boxes.
3D-bait podrace? Check.
Musical interlude? Check.
Poignant funereal moment? Check.
Victory through power of friendship? Check.
That's not to say it's shit, but see it for what it is. It's still pandering, even when it's pandering to you.Kung Fu Panda was the shit though
>>112279093
>Why d'you think people believe in ridiculous shit like Christianity or Mormonism?
I'm not even religious, and yet I'm vicariously embarrassed by this fedora tier shit.Mormonism is undefendably retarded though.
>>112279196
Oh, we do, but as I said, there's nothing they can do to enforce it.
>>112267778
Japan has been the land of art since a long time ago
Even Gogh became a weeb
>>112279042
The supreme court says otherwise.
That said, the supreme court says you have the right not to be raped, mugged and murdered.
And it doesn't say you have the right to abstain from the pledge and not be ostracised. That's one of the great things about free speech.
>>112279231
Ok, well I'm willing to agree that Dragons 2 was merely a well made kids movie.Seriously though, Kung Fu Panda 2 is way better than the concept has any right to be
>>112279132
Uninformed teachers make up the entire hierarchy of the school system and you;re not going to find many students who can afford to dispute their penalties in a court of law.
Sure, it the case ever reaches a court, they'd have the high ground without issue, but courts are expensive, and no teacher is going to put up with you being a dirty pinko commie unless you're willing to shell out the legal costs and take them to court over it. Even if you do, you'll have to be lucky and hope your case ends up o the table of a liberal judge, because a conservative one will just toss the case right out and not give you the time of day.
Which would mean that uninformed teachers are free to make you their bitch-boy until you swear your loyalty to dead white people like everyone else!
>>112274595
>Germans are good at making cars
If you're willing to spend $80K or more, sure.
>Americans
>good with economics
Which is why our entire economy since the 50's has been focused on short-term profit and gain rather than long-term business sense.
Which is also why our government "regulations" are retarded or counter-productive.
On topic: It's because there's a lot of competition and variety. American media has stagnated since the "muh feelings" groups started in. People bitching about "muh morals" made the few large media companies risk-averse and made the smaller ones go out of business.
>>112268289
Started yes.
But then >>112270677
>>112279237
Just because stupid people say something, doesn't mean it's wrong.
Religions say things that are, objectively, false. They're testably incorrect about matters of fact. And people will believe these non-facts, because someone told them, when they young, that they were true.
It's hardly coincidence that children of Christians don't believe in Hinduism, and children of Muslim parents don't believe in Judaism.
>>112279374
At my school they just stopped making kids do the pledge.
>>112279237
>Oh, we do, but as I said, there's nothing they can do to enforce it.
Other than, you know, them sending you to the guidance counselor or principle, and getting your parents involved because you don't love the greatest god loving country in the world.
That, and of course they can make the rest of your school year shitty because they're in charge of grading your work.
>>112279374
Yeah, again, you're full of shit, I was going to school fairly recently, and it was nothing like you're describing. Teachers might at most, say something to you, but they don't do anything past that.
The scary thing about these threads is that people actually believe the shit they're spouting.
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>>112279403
I think you can get one for less.
>>112279621
>You must be at least 18 to post on 4chan.
>>112279707
Jokes, on you, I turn 19 next month.
>>112279403
>Which is why our entire economy since the 50's has been focused on short-term profit and gain rather than long-term business sense.
This is because of the housing bubble from post-war america, the thing is, the logic back then wasn't awful, but it was focused more on doing that used to work rather than what could work, because investors were scared of what would happen if the economy went into recession (which had already happened without them realizing it).
>Which is also why our government "regulations" are retarded or counter-productive.
You're blaming the tool instead of the worker. Companies get bought out by bigger companies and people pay eachother off to get bills and regulations passed that work n the short term, because they want to bail out asap if things become unfixable. Blame the politicians, not the regulations.
>>112272464
I don't even like how the big budget 3D films look. Sure it's impressive, but it just lacks the 'spirit' 2D animation has. Or I guess I should say hand-drawn 2D animation, since now it's all flash and that looks like crap in addition to lacking a human touch. Not really a fan of live action either, especially if it requires tons of CG. Will hand-drawn animation ever make a comeback in the industries or is it all downhill from here?
>>112280377
I fear it's all downhill.
3DCG is finally getting to the point where it's bearable, Frozen didn't look bad, but still, it just looks awkward.
If you're trying to make something realistic and 3d, just do live action.
All I want is for the American animation industry to attempt to match Japan's. I want cartoon "seasons" here, I want the West to create its own Evangelion in terms of changing the perceptions of the medium so it's not all dumb as shit comedy or superhero tie-ins meant to sell action figures. The budgets for shows like American Dad are several times higher than the vast majority of anime, and yet it's nothing more than obnoxious comedy. Until America loses the mindset that "cartoons are for kids", American animation will never match what anime has accomplished, even if just looking at anime since the 90s and not its entire history.
As for manga versus comics, manga is, again, vastly superior due in large part to its variety. But the biggest reason for its superiority is that it is 99% of the time a single author or group of authors writing the entire work. Same for the artist. Manga is many times better than American comics as a storytelling medium because it is much more consistent in both art and writing, and, unlike the big American comics franchises, stories actually end and new ones are created. Super Man is over 100 years old and it's never going to fucking end, attempting to make any sense of its continuity is absurd because so many different writers have touched the property. Most big American comics deal with this issue.
tl;dr, the Japanese do it better on an industry level and have a better understanding of the mediums than America does
>>112280958
>Until America loses the mindset that "cartoons are for kids"
I hate to break it to you anon, but anime is for kids too.
>>112281073
kids actually watch this?
>>112281073
Anime is for otaku. Anime for kids makes up a very small portion of the anime that airs every season, and it's usually card game/video game tie-ins
>>112280958
I like anime no doubt
but I've never experienced character interaction as amusing as the ones in archer in anime.
>>112281073
Anime is primarily for advertisements and secondarily for kids.
Big anime directors seem to get a shitton more respect and autonomy compared to their western counterparts. Go look at what timm and dini had to go through to get return of the joker through and you'll get an idea on why western animation has no fucking balls
Didn't Japan pretty much constantly grant Koreans citizenship as long as they had artistic talent? They were doing that for a good 600 years or so. Even during war against Korea and the modern imperial occupation.
Not to mention artisans was one of the highest classes in Japanese life for a thousand years.
Their culture has bred artists in ways not many other cultures do.
>>112281351
>Japan
>Granting filthy foreigns, especially koreashits citizenship
No. Absolutely no.
>>112267778
>Is there some kind of sociopolitical aspect that I'm unaware of? Please enlighten me /a/.
mangas come in tankabons and those are cheap popular and give you a lot of bang for your buck
i want to remark the word POPULAR mangas are discussed by a large population
something their west counterpart wouldn't even dream of
>>112281073
The anime posted on /a/ is for highschoolers and otaku, not children
>>112281404
I think he means in the past
I know mas oyama was born from a korean family but considered a full japanese citizenship wasn't he?
>>112281404
That's the importance they placed on artisans. They allowed the best artisans citizens and just gave them a Japanese name.
>>112276137
>5 seasons was way too much. It started going downhill from the second season and just kept getting worse. By the end it only relied on shitty cliffhangers and cringeworthy 'epic' (I guess that was the intent) lines.
I'm glad to see someone has the same opinion as me on this. Everyone else seems to think the latter half of the show was great, but it was just awful.
>>112281440
A huge part of that is manga deal with subjects that your average every day person can relate to or get something out of, whereas in America comics are perceived as something for children and neckbeards because they're all about guys in capes who wear their underwear over their tights. You would never see a comic book about tennis or something here, or anything even remotely resembling a good shoujo/josei, and have it be a success just due to the stigma against it. Most people who go see the superhero movies in theatres that have become such a craze are either going with their kids, doing it out of nostalgia, or liking them ironically (because wearing thick-rimmed glasses and watching super hero movies is quirky and "lol so nerdy xD").
>>112281868
It was great until Skyler found out. Feminists say it was empowering and yadda yadda, but she was a wet napkin in the show and watered down the fun parts. Skyer episodes made the second half unbearable.
>>112268289
Basically Disney and comics changed copyright law in America to basically make it forever minus a day, to keep certain things from falling into the public domain (Old DC heroes works, and the earliest Mickey Mouse shorts.) Basically it was changed so Disney could control its the earliest shit. Partly because it wanted those sweet Steamboat Willie golds, but also to keep Plane Crazy from ever seeing the light of day again.
I think they've realized theres a limit to how much they can milk old franchises
which is why I suspect they bought marvel and star wars.
>>112277862
>>112277862
Japan is full escapism, like blonde and pink hair japanese with blue eyes with behavior that you wont see from actual japanese
>>112281351
>>112281404
>>112281623
The Imjin War was nicknamed the Pottery War because Japanese snatched up a bunch of artisans from Korea, many of whom ended up taking on Japanese names.
>>112282191
Marvel is just another company milking old franchises, though. And Star Wars itself is an old franchise.
It will take nothing short of a revolution for American animation/comics to be good.
To start with, I want Superman and Batman to legitimately end. I want the characters to cease appearing in new works. They need to make new works for a new era.
>>112281994
You forgot the part where Walt Disney himself was so distraught over losing the rights over Oswald that he wanted to keep Mickey forever.
They lobby to change the laws every time the copyright is about to expire. It's what, creator's death + 75 years now?
On one hand, copyright laws were written in respect to mechanical inventions, in order to prevent one inventor/company from monopolizing a product. And thus weren't really tailored to intellectual property.
On the other, it's pretty bullshit that one company can hold the copyright to a character that has become a cultural icon itself.
>>112282253
>Marvel is just another company milking old franchises, though.
yeah but the milk is still flowing and will continue to flow for a while.
>>112282253
Too bad they just rebooted both of them.
>>112282191
Disney is taking a page from EA by buying Marvel and Star Wars; buy beloved IP's, make mediocre iterations of them, when people eventually get sick of the poor quality versions, kill them.
>>112267778
East and west have their own style, every comics dont have to have chars with sharp face, weird hair, big eyes and small mouth.
>>112282358
>Disney is taking a page from EA
well no, Disney so far has been pretty hands off and letting marvel do what they want
What new western works have gone big time recently? It really feels like it's all just old franchises being rehashed over and over. I guess there's Game of Thrones...
>>112267778
This threaf turned into manga vs comic
>>112281994
Coming into this thread late but are you saying they somewhat monopolized it?
>>112281973
That was part of it, but my main issue with it was that they tried to rope you along with teases, cliffhangers, and suspense instead of trying to put together a better narrative. Plus, it became really, really clear that they hadn't thought the story through at all around the end of the second season when the plane crash happens. The rest of the show just felt like it was meandering to some nonspecific destination. Occasionally, there are some nice moments post season 2, but you have to wade through a ton of melodrama and filler just to get to them. As a whole, the show really wasn't that good.
>>112282284
Pretty much.Though Disney has used other ways to get around it anyways, and it's not Mickey that's copyrighted (that would be trademark, which is until they let it lapse, or they stop defending it), it's the afformentioned shorts. Steamboat Willie is pretty much guaranteed on any classics collection, while Plane Crazy makes Mickey look completely different, as in villain different.
>>112282358
>Mediocre iterations
One More Day and The Prequels were pre buyout anon.
>>112282399
Didn't universal used to own Marvel?
I remember the Spiderman ride and shit at Universal themparks.
>>112282440
>that would be trademark, which is until they let it lapse, or they stop defending it
My bad, IP laws confuse me.
>>112282295
That depends on what you mean by flowing. The movies are making a ton of money, but by the end of the decade superhero movies will have overstayed their welcome and they won't bring in the money they do now. Their comics fucking suck as of now as well.
Some people need to return to /co/
Did you know that glass is actually a very slow flowing liquid?
>>112282589
thats a load of shit
Does anyone have that old picture comparing an anime season with what's been airing on American TV for the past 2 years (as of when the picture was made)?
I loved that picture so much.
>>112282430
Somewhat, they've basically monopolized their own creations. Though the worst part is somewhat in how it's interpreted (see both of Ken Pender's recent lawsuits.)
>>112282245
That exactly. The Japanese placed an extremely high emphasis on actual artistic creators. A lot of their art in feudal eras were heavily influenced by Korean artists who studied Chinese arts. They didn't just want the art themselves, but the talent behind them.
What do americans even watch besides CSI and American Idol?
The answer if very simple. America's talent goes into live action because we have they money for it.
Japan's talent goes into anime because that's where their money is.
Ever wonder why most english dubs suck ass? It's because people in America want to be real actors, not idols/seiyuu, like their Japanese counterparts.
>>112282722
Whatever Wired Magazine says is cool and nerdy.
>>112282722
Reality programming... sports..
>>112282722
Depends on the Americans. Do britbongs only Watch Doctor Who, Top Gear and Eurovision?
>>112282722
Duck Dynasty
>>112282722
the only thing I watch on television is the military history channel and cartoon network.
>>112282722
HBO and AMC series, so Game of Thrones, Walking Dead and Breaking Bad. Also sitcoms like Modern Family.
>>112282703
>A lot of their art in feudal eras were heavily influenced by Korean artist
God help you if you try and tell a netoyuo that
>>112282722
mother likes watching big bang theory a lot
every time she tells me im just like main guy in that show ,I die a little inside.
>>112282785
But a real actor can act better than a seiyu you fucking retard. The problem with dubs is that the actors have no talent. Or do you expect blockbuster actors to dub anime for peanuts?
>>112282923
A lot of Japanese are delusional to think their culture wasn't heavily influenced by China through Korea. It's just the facts. They just made it their own in the process. Like almost all their modern culture is European and American in origin.
NARUTO
>>112282943
Are you playing mario 64 on a poorly coded emulator right now, sheldon?
/a/ is not your weeaboo board.
>>112282979
Do you have brain problems? You're just repeating what I said and getting angry at me like I didn't just make those points.
>>112283066
[CANNED LAUGH TRACK PLAYS]
>>112282979
>But a real actor can act better than a seiyu you fucking retard.
He didn't imply otherwise.
Japan is fucking shit two bombs weren't enough
Man this thread really pulled in /co/ shitposters like a magnet. Or was it made by /co/ in the first place?
>>112271402
>>112268398
"The Ten Cent Plague" is cheap demagoguery and revisionism that greatly overinflates the impact of the largely mythic "Great Comic Book Scare". It can be easily contridicted by even 'Wiki'd It historians'.
The real death of creativity in the West was caused by draconian copyright laws, and insane publishing costs. All thanks to oligopoly racketeering and publishers guilds.
A similar cancer occured in Hollywood with the Studio System and The Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers.
>>112279237
>Acknowledging the truth is fediora tier shit
Epic maymay friend
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>>112280470
'Tis truly a dark time when some of the most reliably good CG animation is has been done by a game company.
